Ukraine Open Thread 2024-200

August 22, 2024

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

Posted by b on August 22, 2024 at 09:12 UTC | Permalink

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The Ukrainian Army has destroyed three bridges on the Seim River and plans to take control of a vast territory in the Kursk region – the Glushkovsky district, where about 3,000 Russian troops may be trapped.
The Glushkovsky district is surrounded by Ukrainian territory from the west and south. From the east (from the Sudzha side), the Ukrainian Armed Forces are conducting offensive operations there, having established control over the villages of Snagost and Apanasovka. They are 5 km away from the Seim River and the closure of the cauldron.
Despite the destruction of bridges across the Seim, the Russians are still supplying their troops via pontoon crossings built across the river (especially since the river is not that wide and is quite easy to swim across). And Ukraine is actively attacking pontoons built by the Russian Armed Forces across the Seim River in the Glushkovsky district. For this, both kamikaze drones and Himars cluster munitions are used. This is being done in order to block the supply of Russian troops and take the troops there into a “cauldron”. Apparently, in the near future there will be at least attempts by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to attack in this area
In general, the situation in the Glushkovsky district south of the Seim River is difficult for the Russian army (including due to logistical problems).

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20444

Our source in the General Staff said that the offensive deep into Russia has stopped and Syrsky has decided to expand the bridgehead to the width of the border by capturing the Glushkovsky district in the Kursk region.
The commander-in-chief is trying to solve two problems at once: first, to take control of large territories of Russia from a natural line of defense with a river, which will then be easy to hold, and second, to expand the bridgehead of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region to protect the flanks.
Now all reserves and equipment are being sent for this purpose, but the enemy has been repelling our assaults all week, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are suffering heavy losses.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24059

Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:47 utc | 701

BATTLES IN THE KURSK BORDER AREA: WHAT’S NEXT?
Even guided by a restrained critical thinking that clearly separates the television picture and reality, it is difficult not to admit that the strategy of suffering some (temporary!) territorial losses, but not weakening the pressure in Donbass, and, accordingly, abandoning the pernicious idea of transferring a significant number of troops to the Kursk border area to speed up the expulsion of the enemy from there, FULLY JUSTIFIED ITSELF.
The enemy is localized (not occupied, but its appearance is recorded) in 5-6 districts of the Kursk region (only one district center is under control – Sudzha). It suffers colossal losses. It has big problems with logistics and does not have a clear picture of “what next?” And most importantly – the advance of Russian troops in Donbass HAS ACCELERATED, and now even the Ukrainian deputy Bezyglaya is screaming that the Kursk adventure opened the gates to the Dnieper for the Russians.
The group that participated in the invasion included the best special forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and highly motivated fighters. According to our calculations, about 20 thousand people. What did they manage to do? Seriously consolidate (!) some distance from the border? No. The zone of confident control is approximately 15 km, and the points on Syrsky’s map “up to 35 km” imply the places of battles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ mobile groups, and not a full-fledged occupation with established logistics and commandant’s offices.
The price of the Kursk adventure for Kiev today is the number of destroyed armored vehicles approaching a hundred (including several dozen tanks) and about 5 thousand personnel.
Time is starting to work for us.
It begins.
Even if the enemy manages to film a few more TikToks in new settlements within the area where he was strategically localized.
This will not stop Russia’s breakthrough in Donbass.
This opinion should not be taken as a lulling warm bath. But one must be objective. Both in assessing the successes of the enemy and his obvious failures.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/106835

Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:50 utc | 702

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 16:08 utc | 728
It’s always tricky to categorise a depleted unit, does it still retain its official designation, for example brigade, or do you use a hybrid term such as reinforced battalion; however, that in itself is an official designation of a unit that has additional units attached to help it to achieve a specific combat mission. I think a prefix, such as under-strength, better captures the true capabilities of such units, perhaps with addition and subtraction suffixes, if possible. This is the standard format used by most historical accounts. Eg the reinforced 2nd battalion, minus No2 company….., but obviously that relies on specific intelligence unavailable to us today.
There also is a point to be made about understrength infantry units, often these have the same ranged firepower as full strength units, due to their retention of the same number of casualty creators (MG’s, support weapons), but, unless in defence, less ammo, and more fragile (ability to absorb casualties). So, understrength, late-War German companies, with only one out of three platoons, would still retain those missing platoons 6+MG-42 LMG’s and MP-44 assault rifles.
As to your analysis, I agree overall, but remember the link between operational tempo and logistics, and rates of advance with constantly operating factors such as terrain and weather. Both the former and the later being synergistic.
Final point, some posters fail to understand that the worst thing a commander can do is send his troops into a fair fight, Russia now has the organic capability to make sure this fight is so unfair it can possibly look at options that were previously far too fair for their opponents. If it goes beyond ‘24 it will be interesting to find out which factors were responsible.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 16:54 utc | 703

The discussion between @Newbie and @Milites is both fascinating and informative. Thanks to both.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:05 utc | 704

One of the Nazis from Azovstal, Igor Dubik, who was exchanged in 2022, was eliminated.
The character again found himself at the front as part of the 109th Volkssturm Brigade and this time he was unlucky enough to be captured.

This shows how capturing them extends the war as they will be back fighting in a few months.

Russia has returned 115 servicemen captured in the Kursk region from Ukrainian captivity, and 115 Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen have been transferred in exchange – Russian Defense Ministry

Some here were saying that the Kursk captives would be killed. Nope. They need them to exchange for the 900 Russian soldiers captured in the first days of the invasion.

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 24 2024 17:16 utc | 705

⚡️ 🇷🇺 Kursk Bulge, operational situation 24.08, 16:45.
What is known at the moment:
In the Kursk region, fighting continues in all directions. The Russian army is holding back the onslaught of the Ukrainian occupiers, destroying enemy columns ;
▪️In Korenevsky district, the enemy does not give up attempts to break through to the district center, as well as to the settlement of Komarovka, as the day before. However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not achieve success in these areas of the front;
▪️Western resources have published satellite images of the Kursk region, which show freshly dug trenches of the Russian army in the area of Kurchatov and Lgov;
❗️In the Sudzhansky district , drone operators from the Aida group took on the job of destroying Ukrainian armored vehicles . The fighters are burning Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers both in Sudzha itself and in the suburbs.
The enemy continues to try to break through the defenses of the Russian army in the area of Russkaya Konopelka.
According to the statement of the commander of the special forces “Akhmat” Apti Alaudinov , “down below” [in the south] units of the 810th Marine Brigade liberated another settlement. It is possible that this refers to the settlement of Borki, which follows Spalnoye, which was liberated the day before;
▪️The Russian Emergencies Ministry continues to carry out tasks in the Kursk region. The population is being evacuated , unexploded ordnance is being cleared , and humanitarian aid is being delivered;
Russian aviation , X-wing aircraft and artillery continue to strike at the rear and columns of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, destroying their air defense posts, weapons depots, command posts, equipment and personnel.
https://t.me/two_majors/30247
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:37 utc | 732
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20444
Our source in the General Staff said that the offensive deep into Russia has stopped and Syrsky has decided to expand the bridgehead to the width of the border by capturing the Glushkovsky district in the Kursk region.
The commander-in-chief is trying to solve two problems at once: first, to take control of large territories of Russia from a natural line of defense with a river, which will then be easy to hold, and second, to expand the bridgehead of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region to protect the flanks.
Now all reserves and equipment are being sent for this purpose, but the enemy has been repelling our assaults all week, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are suffering heavy losses.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24059
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:47 utc | 738
BATTLES IN THE KURSK BORDER AREA: WHAT’S NEXT?
Even guided by a restrained critical thinking that clearly separates the television picture and reality, it is difficult not to admit that the strategy of suffering some (temporary!) territorial losses, but not weakening the pressure in Donbass, and, accordingly, abandoning the pernicious idea of transferring a significant number of troops to the Kursk border area to speed up the expulsion of the enemy from there, FULLY JUSTIFIED ITSELF.
The enemy is localized (not occupied, but its appearance is recorded) in 5-6 districts of the Kursk region (only one district center is under control – Sudzha). It suffers colossal losses. It has big problems with logistics and does not have a clear picture of “what next?” And most importantly – the advance of Russian troops in Donbass HAS ACCELERATED, and now even the Ukrainian deputy Bezyglaya is screaming that the Kursk adventure opened the gates to the Dnieper for the Russians.
The group that participated in the invasion included the best special forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and highly motivated fighters. According to our calculations, about 20 thousand people. What did they manage to do? Seriously consolidate (!) some distance from the border? No. The zone of confident control is approximately 15 km, and the points on Syrsky’s map “up to 35 km” imply the places of battles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ mobile groups, and not a full-fledged occupation with established logistics and commandant’s offices.
The price of the Kursk adventure for Kiev today is the number of destroyed armored vehicles approaching a hundred (including several dozen tanks) and about 5 thousand personnel.
Time is starting to work for us.
It begins.
Even if the enemy manages to film a few more TikToks in new settlements within the area where he was strategically localized.
This will not stop Russia’s breakthrough in Donbass.
This opinion should not be taken as a lulling warm bath. But one must be objective. Both in assessing the successes of the enemy and his obvious failures.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/106835
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:50 utc | 739
Just a couple of comments to sum up all of this:
1. The 20 km control (except along the R200 where its far less) and 30 km attack radius seems to hold, no further advances beyond that
2. The AFU fail in securing Glushkovsky, as well as the Borki advance, is the RF preparing to take Gordeevka and Guevo for a short wedge and lid that has always threatened this AFU dalliance.
3. Forget lower numbers, it’s 30.000+++ (at least insertable), casualties and also Kurchatov and Lgov trenches show that RF is taking it seriously.
4. As already mentioned hope the E101 is also secured, there’s only so much you can protect from the Rylsk/E38 direction (and the Chernikov troops could still go up the E101)
And that’s as much as I dare say right now

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 17:18 utc | 706

Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:44 utc | 736
Before Desert Storm a USMC colonel went out to the desert, on the eve of battle, and said this paraphrased prayer.
Lord, I thank you for giving myself and the men I command the opportunity of any warrior
to practice the skill of arms, that we have trained for so long to do and I thank you that our opponents are so stupid.
I think, if this, Tokmak or bust II, plan is put into action, a Russian version of the prayer will no doubt be being said in many TOC’s.
Also, where’s all this Ukrainian OPSEC discipline we keep hearing about?
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:50 utc | 739
Rubbish! It was a clever plan because the Russians were surprised, they never expected us to be so fucking stupid!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 17:21 utc | 707

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 1:09 utc | 614
Very good post, Tom. Please everyone, be aware that even responding to a troll is not helpful if it is done rudely. It is better not to, but if done humorously to point out an objectional post (and by humorously I mean pleasantly,) that means you are being kind to the rest of us. And also, be aware that someone responding to a troll may be of the same sort and becomes therefore a questionable person in our eyes.
Thanks to William Gruff whose long post (ordinarily one to skip also) I very much enjoyed reading. 😉

Posted by: juliania | Aug 24 2024 17:23 utc | 708

Bryansk direction , reports NGP raZVedka
The enemy is concentrating a strike force in the north of the Chernigov region, close to the Russian border.
The enemy is planning an attack on the Bryansk region in the direction of the settlements of Suzemka and Sevsk. For this purpose, the enemy has concentrated several battalion tactical groups from the 41st and 54th brigades, as well as success development units.
The enemy’s goal is to reach natural barriers – the Nerussa and Sev rivers, after which to take up defensive positions and conduct a long-term defense.
At the same time, the enemy has prepared over 20 sabotage and reconnaissance groups, which will have to constantly tie down part of our forces in the direction of a diversionary attack in the Starodub and Klimovsky districts, near the Russian-Belarusian border. For this purpose, the enemy has already moved several units from the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to the area of the settlement of Gorodnya in the Chernihiv region.
The strike force is quite small, the total number of the first echelon group is up to 1,500 people and 60 armored fighting vehicles.
https://t.me/two_majors/30246
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:38 utc | 733
1.500 and 60 armored? Yes, and Kursk was 300…
And too few armored, I’d expect the 1x, 10x, 100x ratio seen in kursk
(guess they’re hiding them well)
I already mentioned that there are probably 3 options for those troops, either that announced direction, or a Belarus attack, or doubling down on Kursk throught the E101 to make some pincers.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 17:25 utc | 709

Ping

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 24 2024 17:28 utc | 710

Here’s an even darker prognostication from Col. Lang’s old site, Tucopolier (previously named “Sic Temper Tyrannis”). The YouTube video within it is from the Kiev Post site, so is of course very pro-Ukrainian; but has some interesting scenes within it showing how undefended the border was at the time of the Kursk attack. Also a fairly dispassionate analysis of some of the Russian command and control problems, which may explain some the problems encountered.
F&L says:
August 23, 2024 at 11:16 am
Russia cannot cope with Kursk.
https://youtu.be/IvA8cxxtcLc
Chuck Pfarrer, one of America’s most renowned and respected military authors and analysts, discusses with Kyiv Post’s Jason Jay Smart why Russia is showing all of the signs of having fallen into a quagmire with no strategy or hope of being able to get out.
Pfarrer, having been a former Squadron Leader of SEAL Team 6, explains why the failure of Russia’s attempted attack is indicative of larger, systematic problems within the Russian military.
Russia, time and again, fails to make significant headway in Ukraine as it tries to face down not only Ukrainian soldiers, but its own Russian troops who are becoming increasingly unwilling to become cannon fodder. As the war progresses, Russian morale will only further fall, leading to larger organizational problems within their faltering military.

Posted by: Seward | Aug 24 2024 17:30 utc | 711

Russia, time and again, fails to make significant headway in Ukraine as it tries to face down not only Ukrainian soldiers, but its own Russian troops who are becoming increasingly unwilling to become cannon fodder. As the war progresses, Russian morale will only further fall, leading to larger organizational problems within their faltering military.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:37 utc | 712

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 16:07 utc | 727
Maybe the strong Ukrainian EW hinder the use of glide bombs in that region.
Glonass can as easily be spoofed as GPS, I think.

Posted by: schkid | Aug 24 2024 17:37 utc | 713

In the third or fourth quarter of a live Meeting on Cyrus Janssen’s fantastic Youtube channel, with Cyrus, & two major luminous independent journalists: Carl Zha & Reporterfy Media,– about ~4 hours ago, the chief of Reporterfly said in as many words:
‘I just spoke w/ Patrick Lancaster: who seemed quite shocked. He told me he had just been with Russian special Forces & that NATO Troops ARE in Russia, killing Russians right now. WMD solution seems very likely.”
https://www.youtube.com/live/meKG2IWqQbY?si=cWr6YznTBY7ihmC9
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Smart people/money should be on the right side of history.
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Posted by: WillSeymour | Aug 24 2024 17:41 utc | 714

On CN74:
“Putin is in Panic Over Kursk! ***Are the Russians Surrounded? ***This is a Complete Failure”
A nation so large it has 11 time zones is “surrounded” by the Kursk incursion. This is from France btw.
I’ve just no words for the idiocy headlines anymore.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 17:45 utc | 715

Posted by: Seward | Aug 24 2024 17:30 utc | 748
Might be worth your while taking Chuck Pfarrer’s observations over to this site: https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/ where I’m sure they will be warmly welcomed…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:52 utc | 716

As to your analysis, I agree overall, but remember the link between operational tempo and logistics, and rates of advance with constantly operating factors such as terrain and weather. Both the former and the later being synergistic.
Final point, some posters fail to understand that the worst thing a commander can do is send his troops into a fair fight, Russia now has the organic capability to make sure this fight is so unfair it can possibly look at options that were previously far too fair for their opponents. If it goes beyond ‘24 it will be interesting to find out which factors were responsible.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 16:54 utc | 740
The discussion between @Newbie and @Milites is both fascinating and informative. Thanks to both.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:05 utc | 741
Thank you both.
@ milites, you might have noticed (and I have said it several times) that I lack military experience, so forgive me for using the wrong terms and maybe simplifying things that are the basis for a victory (will probably think of “but remember the link between operational tempo and logistics” as circles of operation-ability (probably another term you’ll correct).
What I have been discussing is not a big arrow per se, but a mowing of routed forces (mainly by fixed and rotary wings and drones/missiles) after cutting off the bridges. I expect that under these conditions some tank/mech be used to take and hold critical logistical and strategic nodes on the way to the river, but 300 kms is too much to race them to the river (I agree that could be the most dangerous play for RF, regardless of how much damage they could inflict) Probably 100 km would be the limit for this race, for a circle centered on Pokrovsk, Izium-Lozovo-Pavlograd-Pokrovske could do the trick and present an unsustainable situation for forces east of the dnieper in the south.
In the north I’m starting to feel tempted to say “meet the AFU in Chernikov” 😀 (but that’s why generals are much cooler headed people) to me it seems the best way to secure the entire NE front (Sumy/south Kursk excluded).

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 17:58 utc | 717

“Well, Chuck Pfarrer, “one of America’s most renowned and respected military authors and analysts,” probably should update himself by taking a closer look at the Donbass front.”
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:37 utc | 749
As well as the enlistment numbers.
But why upset anyone with facts? Ukraine territory is frankly secondary to their war against NATO. The Russian people and Russian speakers in Ukraine are being protected as well as can be expected as the war against NATO continues. 1991 borders is the goal. I even lose sight of that from time to time in my fury.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 17:58 utc | 718

Posted by: Seward | Aug 24 2024 17:30 utc | 748
Well, Chuck Pfarrer, “one of America’s most renowned and respected military authors and analysts,” probably should update himself by taking a closer look at the Donbass front.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:37 utc | 749
I wouldn’t bother with sewer, regardless of seals (and probably walruses) swimming around
Had he read anything in the last tens of posts he might have noticed that the Kursk caper has stalled for AFU, risks a lid on the cauldron, and RF has the problem of too many options right now (and the means to carry them out)
I think I forgot to remind Milites what I already wrote today, 2026 without nato boots on the ground is not feasible, no mater how many weapons or billions are sent.
Reminds me of the kid asking his mom for biscuits, she answers “take them from the jar”, the kid say’s “Mommy, but I have no arms!”, she smiles and replies “No arms, no biscuits”
Arms are useless without arms to hold and use them.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 18:08 utc | 719

Think I missed an opportunity @756 to make a joke about arms that can bear arms…
If the bear eats all arms that can bear, no arms, no harm done…

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 18:14 utc | 720

I wouldn’t bother with sewer, regardless of seals (and probably walruses) swimming around

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 18:08 utc | 756
Oh I know, I shouldn’t do it, but sometimes they leave such an open goal I’ve just got to kick the ball into it.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 18:15 utc | 721

2023 Things were still too lopsided, RF used conscripts and the musicians to pin the AFU in Bakhmut
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 16:08 utc | 728

I disagree on “conscripts” here, units of mobilized were used, conscripts were and are prohibited by law to be used in the SMO zone.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 24 2024 18:27 utc | 722

@Posted by: WillSeymour | Aug 24 2024 17:41 utc | 751
Yep, the NATO swine are not above any tactics to try to goad the Russians. More on this from Patrick Lancaster.
Shocking Testimony: Civilians Accuse Ukraine Soldiers Of Targeting Kursk Frontline Residents
This will only harden the resolve of the Russian people and their leaders, the only acceptable thing from the Ukrainians is now unconditional surrender.
Ukrainian losses for August 24th, as reported by the Russian defence ministry:
– Sever Group (Kharkov): 135 troops, 1 IFV, 2 APC, 6 motor vehicles.
– Zapad Group (Luhansk area): 520 troops, 1 APC, 6 motor vehicles, 7 artillery pieces, 1 EW system.
– Yug Group (Donetsk north): 690 troops, 4 motor vehicles, 9 artillery pieces, 1 EW system.
– Tsetr Group (Donetsk south): 580 troops, 1 tank, 2 LAV/ HMV, 8 motor vehicles, 8 artillery pieces.
– Vostok Group (southern front): 130 troops, 1 APC, 1 LAV/HMV, 8 motor vehicles, 2 artillery pieces.
– Dnepr Group: 65 troops, 1 LAV/HMV, 3 motor vehicles, 2 artillery pieces, 2 EW systems.
In total: 2,120 troops (2,500 with undercounting: 75,000 a month). About average.
1 IFV, 4 APC, 4 HMV/Light Armoured Vehicle, 35 motor vehicles. Further evidence of the transformation of the Ukrainians to an infantry using HMV/light armoured vehicles, “technicals” (pickup trucks with mounted weapons), and civilian vehicles for mobility.
28 artillery pieces, about average, at a rate of about 900 a month. 4 EW systems. These are still catastrophic daily loss levels.
In addition, the Russians have become adept at shooting down and jamming Ukrainian (i.e. Western manufactured) guided bombs, missiles, rockets and the mostly locally-made drones.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 24 2024 18:45 utc | 723

Seward @ 748
one of America’s most renowned and respected… authors and analysts
The above is the axiom written above the Gates of ClownWorld Media Central.
Now you know, so no longer need to waste your time when you see it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 18:54 utc | 724

Chainlink might keep an FPV warhead far enough away to render it ineffective but the drones for long range attacks have been big enough to plough through light mesh. Ok, so long it’s not a substitute for more relevant actions.
https://t.me/infomil_live/9323

Anti-drone protection on a tank at one of the oil depots in Russia.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 24 2024 18:54 utc | 725

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Situation in Sudzha and Korenevo Districts as of 8:00 PM on August 23, 2024
In Kursk Region, Ukrainian forces are attempting to improve their tactical position in several sectors.
🔻In Korenevo District, several attacks by the enemy towards Komarovka and Kremyanoye have been repelled. In the latter, the Russian Armed Forces have also expanded their control zone westward in the village: footage has emerged of a UAV strike by the AFU on the positions of Russian troops.
🔻In Sudzha District, the enemy continues attempts to break through the defenses in the area of Malaya Loknya, but has been pushed back for now. Operational-tactical aviation and artillery units have engaged the AFU positions approaching the village.
In Cherkasskoye Porechnoye, the enemy made an unsuccessful attack attempt. An AFU tank hit a mine on the road and was subsequently destroyed by an FPV drone, burning completely. Clashes continue within the settlement.
The situation has become clearer in the area of Russkaya and Cherkasskie Konopelki. The enemy is attacking towards the latter: for example, a drone strike was recorded on a group of Ukrainian infantry in one of the buildings on the territory of the “Lotos” gas station.
Fierce fighting is ongoing in the sector, and reports of AFU control over the settlements of Kolmakov and Dmitryukov are not currently confirmed.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17216

Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 19:09 utc | 726

Milites @ 712
https://unsaferguard.org/un-saferguard/explosion-danger-area
😱 Crazy what’s on the internets. Do I need to bookmark that? Think I do.
In the 1980s in hospital recovering from a major operation under the effects of morphine my mother would have nightmares hearing the heavy bombers overhead and get very agitated. Nurse asked me what were the planes she was hearing. My poor mom did everything possible to make sure I would never have to live what she lived through, at least I have an online calculator.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 19:09 utc | 727

1.500 and 60 armored? Yes, and Kursk was 300…
And too few armored, I’d expect the 1x, 10x, 100x ratio seen in kursk
(guess they’re hiding them well)
I already mentioned that there are probably 3 options for those troops, either that announced direction, or a Belarus attack, or doubling down on Kursk throught the E101 to make some pincers.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 17:25 utc | 746
Good post and I fully agree on a mass incursion to the north.
Z. Also asking again for Storm Shadows to hit Moscow and St Petersburg. The Brits pushing this and unless the Americans have any better ideas than continued stalemate then they’ll likely allow it in the end.
Putins hand being slowly but inexorably forced.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 24 2024 19:10 utc | 728

I disagree on “conscripts” here, units of mobilized were used, conscripts were and are prohibited by law to be used in the SMO zone.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 24 2024 18:27 utc | 759
Sorry, just noted, I meant “convicted “volunteers/conscripts””, and as I was talking about Bakhmut and wagner musicians I think you see what I meant.
But you’re absolutely right, and I think the others didn’t mention anything because they read it as I wrote it.
BTW, RF is very careful about its conscripts (proper) even in the counter terror operation in kursk they’re being kept , mainly, out of harms way and it would be 100% legal to use them.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 19:15 utc | 729

It’s official now. NATO is ready to establish no fly zone in nazi-kraine:

🇵🇱 ⚔🇷🇺 Polish PT-91 Twardy tanks are participating in the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ attack on the Kursk region, – President Andrzej Duda
▪️The fact that Russian missiles violated NATO airspace at least twice makes their shooting down over Ukraine legitimate (!), Duda also said.
t.me/RVvoenkor

Posted by: Boo | Aug 24 2024 19:18 utc | 730

Storm shadow has an approximate range of 560km.
Zelensky must ask for something else to hit Moscow or St. Petersburg, from inside Ukraine.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 24 2024 19:19 utc | 731

It’s official now. NATO is ready to establish no fly zone in nazi-kraine

Posted by: Boo | Aug 24 2024 19:18 utc | 767
It will be interesting to see how they actually enforce that, presuming that it’s not just posturing and puffery.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 19:29 utc | 732

@ 767
is poland even able to shoot down out-of-control ukrainian missiles? 😛

Posted by: Hodes | Aug 24 2024 19:40 utc | 733

Dima says that Russia desperately wanted peace, some kind of Minsk III, in Qatar.
But Ukrainians managed to humiliate Russia again.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 24 2024 19:41 utc | 734

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 769

posturing and puffery

We are getting very very close now to the point were the posturing and puffery will end, on both sides. People might cheer that, I don’t.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 19:43 utc | 735

Posted by: Trysh | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 736

vargas @771

Dima says that Russia desperately wanted peace, some kind of Minsk III, in Qatar.

Russia might desperately want peace but they would never show weakness in negotiations, that’s why they are always ready for negotiations – getting it yet?
Ever watch the Godfather, when Vito tells Sonny the danger of showing division? Putin is the Godfather. Maybe they are bad actors, but I doubt that, it wouldn’t fit their history. Dima is projecting, IIRC he lives in Belarus but he’s a modern child of the west.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 19:55 utc | 737

@ 773
using nukes does not help anyone on this planet – not even in case of asteroid.
tactical or strategic makes no difference for me
go small and do surgical strikes on ‘big heads’ – as the ‘west’ does

Posted by: Hodes | Aug 24 2024 20:05 utc | 738

From the Masno site, he lives in Sumy, I wonder how real he is:

There are now many “civilians” from Western Ukraine in Sumy… military dressed in civilian clothes.
There is some sort of AD near my house, they shot down 2 Russian targets right above my head about 2 hours ago…first time I saw it.
Right, I’m moving away for now…more interceptions right above me
Let me just go on record and say, if any civilians die in Sumy it will be Ukraine’s fault. They have literally set up an air defence position right in between civilian buildings. You sick pieces of shit.
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/12562
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/12563
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/12567
“>https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/12568

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 20:05 utc | 739

Well, nothing happened for the ukronazi independence day, the day they began their march into nazism and self destruction.
F16s still unused.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:10 utc | 740

Could y’all admit Vladimir Putin to be awful as leader ?
Joseph Stalin gifted nuclear weapon to Russians for them to remain safe but Vladimir Putin destroyed that. Now, no one would be afraid to invade Russia and killed its people.
Wait for the first English or American missile to hit Moscow and you will understand everything about Putin’s policy. What NATO is doing is the policy of the boiled frog: put a frog in a pot, turn on the fire, the water heats up slowly until the frog boils without realizing it.
Unfortunately for NATO and for us; Putin is not a frog.
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Posted by: Trysh | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 773

Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 20:16 utc | 741

@ 777
bet they wait for cold russian winter.
mass refugee streams towards poland and germany etc.

Posted by: Hodes | Aug 24 2024 20:18 utc | 742

Hodes | Aug 24 2024 20:18 utc | 779
Yep. Won’t a happy winter for them that’s for sure.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:21 utc | 743

starting to like typing here – much better than quakenet chat 😀

Posted by: Hodes | Aug 24 2024 20:28 utc | 744

Peter AU1 @ 777

Well, nothing happened for the ukronazi independence day, the day they began their march into nazism and self destruction.

That was the west projecting just like waiting for Iran to strike Israel is projecting, the west is that crude but not all other countries are.
Probably their last independence day.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 20:28 utc | 745

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 19:43 utc | 772
Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not cheering it, just pointing out, in my rather oblique way, that if NATO truly intended to enforce a ‘no-fly zone’ it should have thought about it before the start of the SMO.
Similar to my view on a Western general mobilisation, it should have been thought about 4 or 5 years ago, if they were serious about confronting Russia directly, but (writing this from Britain) they continue to close down and re-develop the factories and works that they would need for such a mobilisation. The industrial base of some entire towns consists of “financial services” call centres:
“Press 1 if you want to attack Russia”
“Press 2 if you’ve cocked-up your military planning and wish to speak to an advisor”
“Press # if you want to return to the Main Menu

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 20:36 utc | 746

LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 20:28 utc | 782
I was thinking not so much about Russian strikes because, as you say, that is projection – rather Nato strikes into Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:42 utc | 747

Well, nothing happened for the ukronazi independence day, the day they began their march into nazism and self destruction.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:10 utc | 777
Why to strike when the enemy is expecting a strike? Russians are pragmatic. It is stupid to care about the symbols of the enemy. Now the enemy does not know what, where and when the next strike will happen.
Very good move!

Posted by: Naiven | Aug 24 2024 20:44 utc | 748

Well, I am sure that the posting title below from Reuters will help with negotiations
Zelenskiy touts new ‘drone missile’, calls Putin ‘sick old man’
Please notice that Reuters has spelling problems….grin

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 24 2024 20:47 utc | 749

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 783
Didn’t mean to suggest you were cheering it.

“Press 1 if you want to attack Russia”
“Press 2 if you’ve cocked-up your military planning and wish to speak to an advisor”
“Press # if you want to return to the Main Menu

LOL
I live in a de-industrialized town with a huge toxic wasteland of abandoned factories, Mussolini built it originally in the 1920-30s, surely thinking ahead for the war effort, not sure what the EU warmongers today are thinking, like you, all I can figure is they don’t think much at all. Better or worse that way I have no idea.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 20:47 utc | 750

Posted by: Naiven | Aug 24 2024 20:44 utc | 785
Sorry, typo, not sockpuppeting.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 24 2024 20:48 utc | 751

Naiven | Aug 24 2024 20:44 utc | 785
I was somewhat expecting Nato to escalate yesterday but that did not occur.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:49 utc | 752

Yep. Won’t a happy winter for them that’s for sure.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:21 utc | 780
They don’t wait for winter, they wait for rain. Can you imagine the Ukrainian troops on the dirt roads while they try to send the reserves forward to the combat zones? All on the three asphalt roads where the Russian long-range weapons will unleash hell. And the sabotage units wallowing in the mud with 40-50 kg of weight on their shoulders. It will be a spectacle.
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Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 20:51 utc | 753

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 19:09 utc | 764
I remember standing about a km from an explosion, the ground literally flexed and the blast wave passing through the body was NOT a pleasant experience. God only knows what it must be like to be targeted by large HE. Talking of your mum’s experience’s, one of my relatives had to always leave the room when he heard the Stuka dive-bombers wail, on the TV. Talking to veterans you get the feeling that for some, they don’t have memories, so much as scar tissue from having the images burned into their brains.
Posted by: Trysh | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 773
Ok, what would your response be? Remember: there’s no save game function, you only know at best 50-75% about what is going on, your advisors have their own subconscious biases, you have multiple competing agendas, nearly 150 million of your people depend on you getting it right, one small incident, handled badly, can escalate out of control and you are aware that your military capabilities are both over and under-estimated by both the public, and foreign governments.
Good luck.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 20:52 utc | 754

Peter,
Be careful with Boris Karpov. He is racist and antimuslim, even anti-Chechen. At the beginning of the Kursk offensive, he insulted them writing that they were fleeing.
He is also pro-Prigozhin, pro-Strelkov, pro the use of nuclear weapons even on Paris. Well a kind of sob (sob = shadowbanned).

Posted by: Naive | Aug 24 2024 20:53 utc | 755

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 20:36 utc | 783
Quite likely the will be some days when if you call, they will say – Sorry, we cannot hep you today. Fully engaged with a trolling contract today.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:53 utc | 756

Naive | Aug 24 2024 20:53 utc | 792
Thank’s. I didn’t know him at all.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:55 utc | 757

Pawel Durow, Telegram CEO – arrested in Paris.
german RT says

Posted by: Hodes | Aug 24 2024 21:00 utc | 758

Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 20:51 utc | 790
Always check the weather first, (Kursk next 14 days mainly sunshine, Donbas possible precipitation early Sept). Don’t also forget the loss of tree cover in Autumn and the lack of engineering vehicles Ukraine have to tow the remaining 70+tonne NATO armoured behemoths. You can use tanks, but you need to have lots of replacement clutches!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 21:15 utc | 759

Ukie tg channel Resident. It looks like the rear areas in Sumy for the Kursk adventure are being hammered.

A brief summary of Zelensky’s Kursk adventure for the Sumy region.
“It’s not even covered in the news.” A resident of Hlukhiv is outraged that the authorities keep silent about the plight of the Sumy border region after the start of the Ukrainian operation in the Kursk region.
“Why are issues of the Kursk region discussed in the news around the clock, but everyone forgot about the Sumy region? People suffer around the clock from FPV drones, guided aerial bombs and missiles. On August 22, explosions were heard every 15 minutes in the town of Glukhov.
It’s scary to go grocery shopping, it’s scary to go to the hospital, it’s scary to go outside, there’s almost no light, there’s no Internet, even the water disappears in some places. Not all people have the opportunity to leave on their own, no one makes official corridors, and regular transportation is crowded with people. And the authorities say that everything is fine, that the shelling from barrel artillery has decreased, that there are fewer victims.
This is some kind of mockery. Why doesn’t any major official Telegram channel talk about shelling in the border towns and villages of the Sumy region? Since when is the Sumy region not considered necessary? Not only does no one do anything to protect people, it’s not even covered in the news, ” the girl said in a video posted on TikTok.
In the comments, they wrote to her that the situation is similar in the regional center – Sumy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:19 utc | 760

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
MI6 has passed on new intelligence to the OP that the Kremlin is preparing a retaliatory strike for the Kursk operation, which will differ from previous missile attacks in its mass scale and new targets in Kiev and throughout Ukraine. British intelligence recommended that Bankova move the work of a number of ministries and law enforcement agencies from the government quarter, as well as place air defense systems at the bridges across the Dnieper.
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that the offensive into the depths of Russia stopped and Syrsky decided to expand the bridgehead in the width of the border with the capture of the Glushkovsky district in the Kursk region. The commander-in-chief is trying to solve two tasks at once: first, to take control of large territories of Russia from a natural defense line with a river that will be easy to hold later, and secondly, to expand the AFU bridgehead in the Kursk region to protect the flanks. Now all the reserves and equipment are being sent for this purpose, but the enemy has been repelling our assaults all week, and the APU is suffering heavy losses.

https://t.me/s/rezident_ua
If the MI6 report is correct, then Russia has now added a new lot of its targets allowable in the SMO limited target list. I assume that will be correct as previously, after certain provocations, Russia by destroying targets previously out of bounds under the SMO.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:26 utc | 761

Storm shadow has an approximate range of 560km.
Zelensky must ask for something else to hit Moscow or St. Petersburg, from inside Ukraine.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 24 2024 19:19 utc | 768
Moscow about 500 km from ukraines northernmost birder, so no he doesn’t

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 24 2024 21:30 utc | 762

On Durov’s arrest in Parris. I assume that is about the empire of lies gaining control of telegram. The one world wide social media they do not yet control.

Resident
Durov’s decision to fly to France after Azerbaijan, which is in conflict with Paris, is very strange. For the West, this is a good gift, now the question remains why he flew to France and who gave him guarantees, if in his interviews Durov constantly stated that he avoids democratic countries …
TF1 claims that Durov will appear in court this Saturday. He will be charged on a variety of counts — on all the crimes that were allegedly committed with the help of Telegram and which Durov did not interfere with, and on investigations about which he refused to cooperate with the French security forces.
Durov knew that he might be detained in France, but he flew by private jet through Paris. I had to refuel there, – Mass media

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:33 utc | 763

Hodes @ 795

Pawel Durow, Telegram CEO – arrested in Paris.

Yes true, supposedly no friend of Putin either, considers himself stateless. That’s fine till the shit hits the fan, then it’s good to have some friends. Maybe he can hide in the Ecuadorian embassy in Paris.
Anyone know where the TG servers reside? Probably just rents space all over.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 21:35 utc | 764

Anyone know where the TG servers reside? Probably just rents space all over.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 21:35 utc | 801
That brings up an issue I had not previously thought about. Finances. It would cost big bucks to run something like telegram. Where do those big bucks come from? how does telegram bring in revenues?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:44 utc | 765

Ok, what would your response be? Remember: there’s no save game function, you only know at best 50-75% about what is going on, your advisors have their own subconscious biases, you have multiple competing agendas, nearly 150 million of your people depend on you getting it right, one small incident, handled badly, can escalate out of control and you are aware that your military capabilities are both over and under-estimated by both the public, and foreign governments.
Good luck.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 20:52 utc | 791
That’s why I mentioned that RF would probably play it safe, test tube any more risky plays and most of all kee
p ready for any play by the AFU…. and nato
Meanwhile tried and tested solutions
Russian forces, using a Lancet loitering munition, have wiped out several Ukrainian armored combat vehicles in the Kursk Region, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
According to the military agency, units from Russia’s Battlegroup North detected the movement of enemy vehicles and used Lancet munitions and drones to eliminate them.
The ministry provided footage of the attack.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 21:53 utc | 766

Just under 2500 hundred per day looks to be the new daily norm for the Rus MoD daily tally sheet.

The enemy’s losses for yesterday were:
➖➖➖
⏺ 2480 military personnel
⏺ 36 armored vehicles, including 3 tanks
⏺ 30 artillery systems * , of which 3 self-propelled guns
⏺ 47 units of special vehicles
⏺ 44 UAVs, including 16 outside the special military operation zone
⏺ two Anklav-N electronic warfare stations
⏺ electronic warfare station “Bukovel-AD”
⏺ Counter-battery radar
⏺ four electronic warfare stations
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A fuel and lubricants depot was hit. Seven field ammunition depots of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were destroyed in the Kupyansk and Donetsk directions.
➖➖➖
The launcher of the S-125 anti-aircraft missile system and the workshop for the production of unmanned aerial vehicles were damaged.
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Air defense systems shot down three ATACMS operational-tactical missiles, five Hammer guided aerial bombs, and 12 HIMARS rockets.
*2 units in the Kursk direction are given without decoding

https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1827378260675645752

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:59 utc | 767

Interesting that they’re back to the 1x, 100x ratio but now seem low on tanks, particularly because an Mi-28NM attack helicopter and lancets were involved (MBT beats other vehicles on kill priority).
The Ukrainian Army lost over 5,500 servicemen and 71 tanks during fights in the Kursk direction, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
“In total, during hostilities in the Kursk direction the enemy lost over 5,500 servicemen, 71 tanks, 30 infantry combat vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers, 372 combat armored vehicles,” the ministry said.
The Russian army aviation engaged manpower and materiel of the Ukrainian army in the Kursk Region and hit concentration areas of the adversary in the Sumy Region, the ministry noted.
Reconnaissance and search activities continue to destroy Ukrainian sabotage teams in the Kursk Region. Ten Ukrainian servicemen surrendered over the day, the ministry informed.
“Losses of the Ukrainian armed forces over the day were more than 360 servicemen and 29 armored vehicles, including two tanks, three infantry combat vehicles, two armored personnel carriers, twenty-two combat armored vehicles, two artillery pieces, 12 vehicles, the Bukovel-AD EW station and a counterbattery radar,” the ministry added.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 21:59 utc | 768

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:33 utc | 800
French source:
As soon as he arrived on French soil, he was arrested. Pavel Durov, the CEO of the encrypted messaging Telegram, was arrested on Saturday evening, August 24, at Le Bourget airport, as BFMTV learned from a source close to the investigation, confirming information from TF1 info.
The 39-year-old man, a French-Russian billionaire, was under a French search warrant. The reason? The many derivatives found on its encrypted platform used for money laundering, narcotics trafficking or even sharing of pedocriminal content. Offenses of which he would have made himself an accomplice by an absence of moderation.
The billionaire avoided France
The investigators of the National Anti-Fraud Office, attached to the customs directorate, notified Pavel Durov of his detention in police custody. This one had arrived in France from Azebaidjan.
The Franco-Russian billionaire no longer regularly visited France and Europe since the issuance of this research mandate. As our colleagues remind us, this one was more frequently in the United Arab Emirates, in countries of the former Soviet Union or even in South America. His presence in Le Bourget therefore has everything of an enigma at this stage.
This arrest by French law enforcement agencies will probably have broader repercussions than the simple case of the Franco-Russian. The public authorities and Western regulators regularly seek to sanitize encrypted mailboxes, with a view to reducing the cybercriminal activities that abound there.
If it is really him (or is he Nicolai?), what a stupid move.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 24 2024 21:59 utc | 769

Just under 2500 hundred per day looks to be the new daily norm for the Rus MoD daily tally sheet.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 21:59 utc | 804
75.000 per month is the new normal, now don’t ask me how they’re going to hold for a quarter or two…
Brilliant !
And concerning ukraine (see the end of the article) I mentioned that the US are trying to force china to take a stronger stance on it.
I’d say they’ll regret it….
The Chinese Foreign Ministry has confirmed that White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan will visit China on August 27-29 and hold a meeting with Foreign Minister Wang Yi.
“US Presidential National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan will visit China on August 27-29 for another round of China-US strategic communications,” Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Mao Ning said in a statement.
Earlier, Washington announced Sullivan’s first visit to China. Apart from Wang, he is also expected to meet with other senior officials, the White House said. tAccording to Washington, the parties will particularly discuss Russia’s special military operation in Ukrainet.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 22:04 utc | 770

If it is really him (or is he Nicolai?), what a stupid move.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 24 2024 21:59 utc | 806
Yeah. Some of these types are very smart in some areas and dumb as two bricks in others. Perhaps more to come on this as in “things may not be as they seem’?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:05 utc | 771

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 20:55 utc | 794
For instance:
https://boriskarpov.tvs24.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/paris-destruction-768×474.jpg?v=1722066386

Posted by: Naive | Aug 24 2024 22:08 utc | 772

Trysh | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 773
no one cares about your loaded question ..
even if the fallacious assumption is implicit.

Posted by: Carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:13 utc | 773

According to Washington, the parties will particularly discuss Russia’s special military operation in Ukrainet.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 22:04 utc | 807
US discussion usually consists of issuing threats. He’s just as likely to be frogmarched back to the airport.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:14 utc | 774

Naive @ 806

The reason? The many derivatives found on its encrypted platform used for money laundering, narcotics trafficking or even sharing of pedocriminal content. Offenses of which he would have made himself an accomplice by an absence of moderation.

That’s exactly how they went after Kim Dotcom. Wikileaks pretty much too, negligence regarding drugs, pedo, laundering, accusations made to stir up bourgeois and populist rancor and demonization. I’d say he’s in trouble. Skip bail and run for the Ecuadorian embassy.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 22:17 utc | 775

Trysh | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 773
“What NATO is doing is the policy of the boiled frog …
you know thats just a fable .. correct ?
In reality .. the frog jumps out way before any water gets hot.
The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually.
try again ..

Posted by: Carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:23 utc | 776

Carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:23 utc | 813
Cut it out. You trying to turn this place into a trolls whore house again or are you also a troll?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:25 utc | 777

Newbie @ 807
I pointed out a long time ago that the Chinese no longer go to Washington but make the Americans come to their court. That’s it right there.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 22:32 utc | 778

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 22:17 utc | 812
Thanks for referencing Kim.com!
There is no “bail” system in France, especially for someone not living in France and as he will be considered as an enemy. He is on the hook.
I guess they will blackmail him.
Note: several pro-russian TG channels became inaccessible in France. To do that, they use the phone numbers…

Posted by: Naive | Aug 24 2024 22:33 utc | 779

Yeah. Some of these types are very smart in some areas and dumb as two bricks in others. Perhaps more to come on this as in “things may not be as they seem’?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:05 utc | 808
Have a slightly different opinion… but posted it on the open thread 🙂
US discussion usually consists of issuing threats. He’s just as likely to be frogmarched back to the airport.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:14 utc | 811
Doesn’t change what I said, ordering a change of stance will likely push china firmly into an adversarial position … sooner or later

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 22:36 utc | 780

Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:25 utc | 814
do you just call every person a troll?
My response was to the frog statement ..
so reality is trolling now I guess.
I know your place here … so excuse me for posting.
good job

Posted by: carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:38 utc | 781

If this is true [spec ops team], and the force departed from Romania then Romania is now in the SMO, that base should be hit, but Russia won’t.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 16:40 utc | 734
Call it Mission Creep, or escalation salami, but U$NATO is certainly losing its reticence of attacking Russia directly from NATO turf. Add this to the drone flown near Murmansk the other day, launched from Finland/Norway.
My wager is on Finland, because they seem keen to be the next “ukraine”.
(Although they are competing with Latvia and Estonia. And ad Moldova.
Georgia has previously had its starring role, and has repeatedly declined a “do-over”.
Poland was an early contender to have a crack at the Moskals, but the can smell the cemeteries in Lvov, and now think it’s better the Ukrainians continue to die, leaving Galicia vulnerable to their reunification plans.
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Seward | Aug 24 2024 17:30 utc | 748
Chuck ~~Pfarrer~~Phluffler , one of America’s most renowned and respected military authors and analysts…[🤑] messed up his talking point by failing to insist Russians are reduced to defending Kursk with shovels….
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Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 17:52 utc | 753
Oh dear, You’ll be responsible for Martyanov having an aneurism if he is exposed to Chuck Phluffer.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2024 22:43 utc | 782

carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:38 utc | 818
If you are going to walk like a duck, talk like a duck…..
Ignore that idiot you are constantly trying to reply to. A trolls whorehouse is when a thread becomes consumed by replies to trolls.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:44 utc | 783

@ carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:38 utc | 818 who is playing victim for being called out coming in off the street and engaging with another MoA bar flea troll.
It a tough place. Add value to the biases posted by b and mostly defended by commenters here or find another bar.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 24 2024 22:44 utc | 784

We are all thinking that the attack on Kursk was a surprise; I thought so too until I understood the quantity and quality of the forces employed. As long as we were talking about 3-5 brigades I could even believe 10/15,000 men, they could have been hidden, but here we are talking about more than 10 brigades, some even cobbled together here and there in the general chaos. I am convinced that this adventure will increasingly resemble an Arnhem rather than a Salerno. The Russians were waiting for them calmly without moving a muscle, perhaps they were a little surprised by the forces employed (like me) but the end will be the same: no defensive arrangement, no permanent occupation, only a retreat full of unknowns and dangers with the complete destruction of one or two armored brigades.
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Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 22:52 utc | 785

LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 22:52 utc | 822
Nato designed it to look like the small past incursions into Belgorod. Initially around three hundred. Second wave widely dispersed and brought in via starlink, and after that from much further afield.
Nato did mange to task Russia by surprise with a mighty offence that gained one pixel on the map of Russia, but the Russians reacted fast and now it is a killing field with Rus MoD greatly increasing their tally of bagged Nato proxies

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 23:00 utc | 786

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 21:15 utc | 796
And that brings us to move our forecasts by 7 days! September 08 a very well known date in my country.
automatic translation

Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 23:09 utc | 787

I stay away from the troll wars, but a troll named carrion – who d’a thunk it?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 23:14 utc | 788

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:25 utc | 814
Of course the frog escaped and that’s what I wanted to say! We’ll see the consequences soon.
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Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 23:19 utc | 789

Will the brilliant Russian machiavellian create the Waterloo of mankind over an unforced error of his own undertaking?
I think not but the criticism he attracts from both his right and left are certainly warranted and if this constitutes trolling then the trolls have won.

Posted by: Aunt Karenina | Aug 24 2024 23:24 utc | 790

Posted by: Aunt Karenina | Aug 24 2024 23:24 utc | 791

Re the slowly boiled frog —
“You know thats just a fable. In reality, the frog jumps out way before any water gets hot. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually”.
Posted by: Carrion | Aug 24 2024 22:23 utc | 813
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It may be a fable re frogs. I’ve never actually done the experiment. But yes, all the literatute debunks it!
But if you meant that the metaphor was not transferable into human realms, think again.
It is a both a physiological fact for human temperature accustomisation (ref, the left hand/right hand hotwater test), and it is clearly evident in mental perceptions, ie, psychological “slow boiling”.
Unlike froggies, we have 2 brain hemispheres which process outside events very differently. The result can be eventual cognitive dissonance and inadvertent, read delayed, self harm or outside manipulation. Subtle emotional inputs (subliminal) versus overt, rational, “sensible”, inputs. It’s ubiquitous, pernicious.
Gradual psychological accustomisation is very real — some examples are how domestic abuse, political gaslighting, media propoganda, porno insensitivity, gun deaths, corporate overwork, creeps up the scale towards normalisation of abnormal realities.
Iow, don’t ever downplay the boiled frog analogy. It’s a very real phenomenon (with humans).

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 24 2024 23:24 utc | 792

Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 24 2024 23:19 utc | 826
Ironically, if you do throw a frog into boiling water the thermal shock will kill it!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 23:33 utc | 793

Maybe we can replace the frog with something you are supposed to boil, a lobster maybe? I once had frog legs, very little meat and lots of tiny bones, poached or sautéed there’s better eating.
Good night.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 23:33 utc | 794

Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 22:44 utc | 820
I do understand what you are saying ..
but .. particular degrading posts that trivialize and belittle the great nation of Russia, and its leaders are a trigger for me.
I see the trolls here and how they function.
I see the battles that spring forth from those derailing threads.
I am not a troll, I am here to listen. And learn from the military elders that post here.
This is the battle for our future and children’s future.
nothing trollish about me ..

Posted by: carrion | Aug 24 2024 23:37 utc | 795

Iow, don’t ever downplay the boiled frog analogy. It’s a very real phenomenon (with humans).
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 24 2024 23:24 utc | 829
Very much so.
The other is sheeple and that is also very much the case. The larger the mob, the easier they are to handle.
One sheep on its own gives trouble as it is thinking. Three sheep can still be hard to control. Twenty sheep are easy to control as they then move into group think, each believing the other knows what it is doing.
I was walking a mob of 2500 out of the yards after shearing one day, just me and a dog. The lead started to run and I observed them.
One would get to the front and suddenly realize ‘ where the fxck we running to and drop back. The next would hit the lead and do the same.
Sheeple.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 23:37 utc | 796

nothing trollish about me ..
Posted by: carrion | Aug 24 2024 23:37 utc | 832
I don’t believe you are either. As b always used to say – Don’t feed the trolls. Either ignore, or as I do, just a short and sweet “Piss of troll”.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 23:41 utc | 797

Jake Blanchard | Aug 24 2024 23:24 utc | 829
Frog story as a metaphor I agree. Just not the physics of the thing lol
Humans use the story to deal with all types baggage, what you brought up . and more

Posted by: carrion | Aug 24 2024 23:42 utc | 798

Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 23:41 utc | 834
Thanks Peter, have a great evening

Posted by: carrion | Aug 24 2024 23:45 utc | 799

you know thats just a fable .. correct ?
In reality .. the frog jumps out way before any water gets hot.
borne out by my repeated attempts.
Frogs arent so stupid.
Your point being?

Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 25 2024 0:03 utc | 800

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