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August 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-200
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Why does it feel like we’re witnessing a complete psychological breakdown in real-time? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 2:16 utc | 601 Hmm… caps lock… someone needs their ”safe space” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 24 2024 2:35 utc | 602 I AM NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS DYSFUNCTIONAL PLACE – PEOPLE LIKE ME POSTING LIKE THIS ARE THE EFFECT Posted by: Activist Potato | Aug 24 2024 2:37 utc | 603 “You are incapable of researching useful or unique by yourself or thinking for yourself.” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 2:42 utc | 604 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 24 2024 2:15 utc | 639 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 2:49 utc | 605 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpWldTFq2Jk Posted by: Bogota’s | Aug 24 2024 2:59 utc | 606 Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 2:42 utc | 646 Posted by: Jerr | Aug 24 2024 3:00 utc | 607 truthiness | Aug 24 2024 2:10 utc | 638 Posted by: Carrion | Aug 24 2024 3:08 utc | 608 Bogota’s | Aug 24 2024 2:59 utc | 648 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 3:08 utc | 609 651 He did give his working in an early memory….. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 3:11 utc | 610 Posted by: Jerr | Aug 24 2024 3:00 utc | 649 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 3:11 utc | 611 I’m sorry if you think bad. I’d never write to you. I do not know why you are so problematic in this forum, but I was no talking to you. Posted by: Bogota’s | Aug 24 2024 3:15 utc | 612
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 4:18 utc | 613
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24039 Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 4:21 utc | 614 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 2:49 utc | 647 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 24 2024 4:23 utc | 615
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 4:25 utc | 616 Re Down South’s quote – BlackRock and the other American owners of Ukraine ag need cheaper transport for their produce. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 4:33 utc | 617 Whatever, it is best ignored. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 4:40 utc | 618 Re trolls. To my understanding that is any that come onto a forum and consistently go against the gist of the site just to get a rise out of other participants. They can be paid or not. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 4:57 utc | 619 Something big is about to happen. Trolls are just too active. We’ll see. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 5:03 utc | 620 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 24 2024 4:40 utc | 660 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 24 2024 5:10 utc | 621
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 5:17 utc | 622 I love to see that massive amount of trolls : it means they’re “winning” right ? Right ? Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Aug 24 2024 7:42 utc | 623 @Down South (various) Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 24 2024 7:53 utc | 624 Don Firineach | Aug 24 2024 7:53 utc | 666 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 7:56 utc | 625 I hope this isn’t too off-topic, Posted by: retroflecks | Aug 24 2024 8:01 utc | 626 (638) Posted by: Peteryourwifecalled | Aug 24 2024 8:03 utc | 627
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24050 Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 8:16 utc | 628
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24051 Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 8:19 utc | 629 @Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 7:56 utc | 667 Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 24 2024 8:21 utc | 630
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/106803 Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 8:23 utc | 631 Turning out to be a quiet day so far. Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2024 8:32 utc | 632 pity the troll. Posted by: retroflecks | Aug 24 2024 8:33 utc | 633 Posted by: Activist Potato | Aug 24 2024 1:21 utc | 619 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 8:34 utc | 634 Patience barflies, patience…these trolls too will pass. Posted by: Honeyeater | Aug 24 2024 8:46 utc | 636 “But would like link/posting to drool over….thanks” Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 8:51 utc | 637 Posted by: retroflecks | Aug 24 2024 8:33 utc | 675 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 8:51 utc | 638
https://x.com/vicktop55/status/1827257438690480601 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 9:06 utc | 639 Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 8:51 utc | 679 Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2024 9:09 utc | 640 Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2024 9:09 utc | 682 Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2024 9:22 utc | 641 It’s mostly a western mantra that de-dolarization requires a new BRICS common currency. Posted by: Mario | Aug 24 2024 9:50 utc | 642 I smell ukraine defeat would not so far from this thread. Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 24 2024 10:00 utc | 643 Victor vicktop55 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 10:03 utc | 644 Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 24 2024 7:53 utc | 666 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 10:10 utc | 645 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 8:34 utc | 676 Posted by: Roberto | Aug 24 2024 10:17 utc | 646 India is only one member of BRICS. Turkey is not in BRICS. Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2024 10:20 utc | 647 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 8:34 utc | 676 Posted by: kvp | Aug 24 2024 10:20 utc | 648 Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2024 10:20 utc | 689 Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2024 10:31 utc | 649 S has a new post, plenty of stuff on the advance, missiles, etc Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 10:34 utc | 650 Posted by: Roberto | Aug 24 2024 10:17 utc | 688 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 10:40 utc | 651 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 10:10 utc | 687
People who practice cliff diving know the feeling very well. The first time I did it, from perhaps 7-10 m, I jumped looking straight down to the water, arms ahead of me but separated. I got my face all bruised upon contact with the surface, black eyes and all. Thus I learnt to hide my face inside my arms during descent. Even if you keep your hands tightly together in front of your head, impact with water may well spread them so face must be hidden during descent. Perhaps the plunge analogy with what you feel is coming can be exploited a bit further. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 11:04 utc | 652 Posted by: Roberto | Aug 24 2024 10:17 utc | 688 Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 24 2024 11:22 utc | 653 ” he [Erdogan] has been begging to join NATO for 20 or more years but has been blocked, presumably because Turkey is a Mulim nation. On the other hand Ukraine with all its economic woes and corruption is welcomed by many.” 24.08.2024 (13:20) Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 24 2024 11:31 utc | 655 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 10:34 utc | 693 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 11:33 utc | 656 Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 24 2024 11:22 utc | 696 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 11:37 utc | 657 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 10:34 utc | 693 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 11:50 utc | 658 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 11:04 utc | 695 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 12:00 utc | 659 Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 24 2024 11:22 utc | 696 Posted by: kvp | Aug 24 2024 12:08 utc | 660 24.08.2024 (14:15) Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 24 2024 12:11 utc | 661 Blix in al-Ahram Posted by: Minaa | Aug 24 2024 12:21 utc | 662 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 9:06 utc | 681 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 12:27 utc | 663 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 12:00 utc | 702 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 24 2024 12:32 utc | 664 Milites@702…..the Russia’s just discovered that they won’t be getting Kursk area back any time soon. If Russia has any surprise outside of nuclear then they should have used it. No offence intended, but big Russian moves in the SlogMow are the stuff screen writers dream of……and erstwhile posters on MOA Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 24 2024 12:40 utc | 665 So, as a student of military, especially Russian, Operational Art (a Soviet term) I see the picture unfold and just sense something is going to happen soon. The Russians are creating the opening stages for several textbook operations, moving their pieces carefully on the board to position them; however they might just keep on grinding as there maybe factors that open-sources are unaware of, and that prevent them from such manoeuvres. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 12:41 utc | 666 Johan Kaspar@708…..you are a very lucky man Johan Kaspar, you can wait, time in on your side, even if takes……how long Johan, you are not there dying. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 24 2024 12:56 utc | 667 MSM latest garbage… from Yahoo News Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 13:23 utc | 668 #703…boze moj..zachran nas od vsetkeho zleho….I wander if Zelensky will find …OLEG SOSKIN(pres.Kuchma advisor)a sent him to Kursk uplift sagging morale of ukr. soldiers… retroflecks @675 captures the pathos of troll life, but readers should realize the reality is sometimes worse. Not all trolls have the luxury of a cubicle, or even just a row of tables with folding chairs, and the social comfort of working in a room full of troll-peers suffering the same experience. I compared them to Uber drivers for a reason, which is that some paid trolls post their trollery on their mobile phones from their car (or perhaps even just a tent!) parked literally under a bridge (cars get deadly hot in the sun, and windows must be kept rolled up in the rain, so they park under bridges). Try to empathize with the quiet desperation of a “private contractor” alone in a capricious and uncaring world.
Well, maybe, but realize that the typical NAFO troll works in big corporate social media: TwitterX, Farcebook, mass media discussion fora, and so forth. The owners of those social media channels (including Musk) are fully aware that many of their posters are paid marketing; “asrtroturf”; fake “grass roots” paid to create “buzz”. The owners get income (called “alternate revenue streams”) from these astroturf outfits and even adjust their algorithms to boost the paid posters’ exposure. They also consider these paid trolls being abused online literally amounts to a “hostile work environment”. The corporate online media feels compelled to protect these trolls because they are considered to be engaged in “legitimate business”. Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 24 2024 13:36 utc | 670 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 23 2024 19:07 utc | 518 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 24 2024 13:52 utc | 671 On the situation in the border zone. Posted by: guest | Aug 24 2024 14:12 utc | 672 Consult your local blowhard for details.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 24 2024 14:16 utc | 673 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 24 2024 12:40 utc | 709 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 14:17 utc | 674 Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 13:23 utc | 712 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 14:35 utc | 675 On the situation in the border zone. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 14:38 utc | 676 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 24 2024 14:16 utc | 717 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 14:39 utc | 677 RE: rk@682 Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 14:43 utc | 678 They may not though, as I said, but the crucial point is they still have it as an option, or tool in the box, something Ukraine does not possess. Operational superiority can simply be translated into the ability to have more realistic and practical options than your opponent. It does not mean that you have to exercise these options, but as the situation changes, those unused options might be considered feasible once more. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 14:44 utc | 679 Here is a follow-up from the post yesterday from Col. Lang’s old blog (Turcopolier). (The significance of it all is well above my pay grade; but IMHO it doesn’t portend well for Russia.) Posted by: Sewaerd | Aug 24 2024 14:53 utc | 680 Re: Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 14:44 utc | 723
I’ve heard this ” Gradually, then suddenly…” stuff for 2 years by now! Posted by: Julian | Aug 24 2024 15:06 utc | 681 Russia can defeat Ukraine militarily but every Western power has declared that this is “not acceptable” — so when Russian victory becomes glaringly unavoidable, Nato & US will escalate wildly. Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 24 2024 15:12 utc | 682 For Ukraine, Kursk was like a nice loaf of fresh bread and an assortment of fresh fruit. Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 24 2024 15:16 utc | 683 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 14:44 utc | 716 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 15:20 utc | 684 The MSM are aging courtesans, endlessly prattling about past clients, whilst trying to hide the fact that the ever-more garish make up they wear is not reducing the growing queues outside the younger, more attractive New Media’s doors. Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2024 15:20 utc | 685 RE: Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 14:35 utc | 712 Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 15:32 utc | 686 Did three trucks explode in Poland or was it just a false story? Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 24 2024 15:39 utc | 687 Read between the lines.
https://t.me/rastratchikRadistka/1005
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 24 2024 15:45 utc | 688 Posted by: Jerr | Aug 24 2024 1:00 utc | 606
I’ve not seen anything debunking it. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 24 2024 16:01 utc | 689 Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 15:32 utc | 723 Posted by: Milites | Aug 24 2024 16:07 utc | 690 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 14:44 utc | 716 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 16:08 utc | 691 There also is the other point that the targets in Kursk are rarely fortified, or hardened, so the likely targets they are usually used or are not found that readily in the Kursk region. An air-burst fragmentation version would though be a good weapon to use on soft targets and concentrated personnel, the target profile of, say a retreating multi-brigade sized force, who’ve lost much of its transport capacity. Just saying. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 16:18 utc | 692 *******In other words the ferry explosion is in a way almost as sensational as would be a disabling strike to the Kerch Bridge but without the prestige value it has for the Putin administration. Posted by: Jerr | Aug 24 2024 16:19 utc | 693 Well, what do you know. Donor fatigue. Imposing war taxes. BlackRock owns the black agri belt. Posted by: JAB | Aug 24 2024 16:21 utc | 694
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:37 utc | 695
Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:38 utc | 696 Eighthman @ 720
There’s some buzz on TG about upcoming assaults on the Kinburn Spit area and the estuaries there. Not my purview but I think an amphibious assault and the necessary logistics on one or various soggy boggy empty islands would be an order of magnitude more
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If this is true and the force departed from Romania then Romania is now in the SMO, that base should be hit, but Russia won’t. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 16:40 utc | 697
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24056 Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:41 utc | 698
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17207 Posted by: Down South | Aug 24 2024 16:44 utc | 699 Newbie @ 728 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 16:46 utc | 700 |
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