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August 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-200
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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And.. So what ? What’s Russia gonna do about it ? So far : nothing. Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:07 utc | 401 Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:07 utc | 435 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 11:08 utc | 402 I do not understand how Ukrainians hid troops near the border when the opposition has satellites, thermal imaging and counter artillery batteries with seismic detection. Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 23 2024 11:09 utc | 403 an reaction. Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:10 utc | 404
What an extraordinary insight. I am so glad that, two and a half years after the start of the SMO, a Russian ambassador starts to suspect that, maybe, after all, the US is such a trustworthy actor. Really, these Russians are the most perspicacious. Maybe in another two years they will proceed to the next deduction : that the US may not be totally 100% honest when negotiating agreements. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:13 utc | 405 Well, one username hijacker, a silly old fools who smoked his brains with whatever substances are his normal fare and now a thread spammer, so I’m outa here Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 11:16 utc | 406 Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 23 2024 10:41 utc | 431 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 11:23 utc | 407 Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 9:32 utc | 415 Milites | Aug 23 2024 10:11 utc | 423 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 23 2024 11:56 utc | 409 Let’s forget Ukraine, this is a war of NATO against Russia, or to be more exact, of the globalists, wokes, unipolar world or whatever they want to call it against the multipolar world. In reality, if we follow Dugin or some Hispanic YouTubers, it is about the fight of Anglo-Zionists, Freemasons, Protestants and fascists who represent modernity against Roman and Orthodox Catholicism that represents the tradition of the old regime. This is roughly the case, Mother Russia is the last spiritual reserve of the West and that is how Putin understands it. A few days ago he released a statement allowing people who defend a traditional vision of the world to live in Russia, skipping various reception processes. This, which does not seem important, is actually very important since the fight between countries is transferred to the ideological sphere where half of us Westerners feel orphaned by politicians who have abandoned the functions entrusted to serve the citizens, becoming directly enemies of the people. So it will be an opportunity for many and it gives us the idea that we are in a long war against evil in which we can now openly take sides without being branded traitors to our countries because it is the politicians who have betrayed us. Posted by: Ratzy | Aug 23 2024 11:58 utc | 410 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 11:23 utc | 441 Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 23 2024 12:03 utc | 411 @ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 10:11 utc | 424 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 23 2024 12:11 utc | 412 439….Putin said one year ago maybe that the West is an Empire of Lies….they know….got “stung” -????-after Lavrov had to deal with Kerry and his “moderate” rebels re Syria . Posted by: Jo | Aug 23 2024 12:15 utc | 413 DunGroanin | Aug 23 2024 12:11 utc | 446 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 12:24 utc | 414 Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:07 utc | 435 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 23 2024 12:50 utc | 415 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 23 2024 11:56 utc | 443 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 12:52 utc | 416 ‘ISIS-K’ has attacked the Volgograd penal colony. The members who attacked it are citizens of Tajikistan. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2024 12:52 utc | 417 Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:07 utc | 435 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2024 12:55 utc | 418 Milites | Aug 23 2024 12:52 utc | 450 “Agree, and given the fact the Russians know exactly what they want to achieve operationally, and by what methods” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 12:58 utc | 419 Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:07 utc | 435 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 13:02 utc | 420 “7. Russia does absolutely nothing. ” Critical views on Putin’s inexplicable slo-mo “shackled Russian bear” strategy ( or whatever it is) here are not tolerated. Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 23 2024 13:15 utc | 422 https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12526427@egNews#txt
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Aug 23 2024 13:17 utc | 423 Украинские войска штурмуют женскую колонию в Курской области, где обороняются русские солдаты, — Bild Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 23 2024 13:21 utc | 424 Scott Ritter said with Nima/Dialogue Works that RUAF broke through the defensive lines, and there are no AFU troops behind it. Presumably he is speaking about Pokrovsk front. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2024 13:32 utc | 425 @459 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2024 13:35 utc | 426 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 1:50 utc | 305 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 12:58 utc | 453 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 13:43 utc | 428 In the past 24 hours, the AFU losses amounted to up to 400 Ukrainian troops and 17 armoured vehicles, including one tank, two armoured personnel carriers, 14 armoured fighting vehicles, two artillery guns, one MLRS launcher, two mortars, and 10 motor vehicles. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 23 2024 13:44 utc | 429 ” I fail to see how quickly taking Donbass is more important from not making your citizens refugees in their own country.”
True, but also they have a history of going through extended periods of suffering and hardship, some of which are self-engendered. The Neocon Tribals want war and they have many levers to pull in many nations to get it. RF does not want war, nor any of her allies, but it is getting harder for them to avoid it. Put another way: how many times can the bear be mauled before it becomes enraged? Stonebird@@442…..that’s the difference between the US and Russia, no one, absolutely no one is sinking US Navy ships ……Russia…..not so much. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 23 2024 13:48 utc | 432 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2024 13:35 utc | 460 Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 23 2024 13:59 utc | 433
I am not waiting for anything like this, but if you do – feel free to rent a yacht, invite a coupla men and a woman and indulge youself. Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 23 2024 13:59 utc | 434
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 23 2024 14:02 utc | 435 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 23 2024 13:45 utc | 465 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 14:02 utc | 436 Posted by: dogowoof | Aug 22 2024 17:45 utc | 149 Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 23 2024 14:08 utc | 437 How many ways shall I fuck thee up, let me count them. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 23 2024 14:10 utc | 438 Breaking. The ISIS-K takeover of Volnograd prison installation is over. All the ISIS-K members are eliminated and hostages rescued. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2024 14:11 utc | 439 Posted by: dogowoof | Aug 22 2024 17:45 utc | 149 Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 23 2024 14:13 utc | 440 Speculation: The fuel ferry took a direct hit. A F16 or two skimming the BS waves can attack Crimea from the south and south west undetected…… spy planes were up and active. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 23 2024 14:13 utc | 441 … But we all know that RF rolls with the punches and always comes out of its travails for the better. Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 23 2024 14:21 utc | 442
Someone is very sensitive to having their ideas questioned. As Milites wrote, any surprise attack if measured the way you did would be ‘clever’ regardless of operational impacts. Instead of a rebuttal, you attack the person. Weak. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 23 2024 14:26 utc | 443 from today’s update on Kursk Posted by: Newbie | Aug 23 2024 14:26 utc | 444 Time is working for the West and Nato. Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 23 2024 14:30 utc | 445 Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 23 2024 14:13 utc | 474 Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 23 2024 14:33 utc | 446 : truthiness | Aug 23 2024 6:55 utc | 381 Posted by: Carrion | Aug 23 2024 14:37 utc | 447 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 23 2024 14:13 utc | 475 Posted by: Mario | Aug 23 2024 14:48 utc | 448 The Ukrainian defences in the Pokrovsk and Niu York/Toretsk areas are incredibly weak. The Russians stormed 80% of the apartment complex on the northern side of Toretsk, after previously taking the mine and slag heap to the east of that. The speed with which they did this is in stark contrast to the slow and brutal process in Artymovsk (Bakhmut). Posted by: Newbie | Aug 23 2024 14:10 utc | 472 Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 14:58 utc | 450 The way for Russia to apply pressure to China is to threaten to start taking out USA/European satellites by any means available, meaning Chinese satellites would be collateral damage. China probably doesn’t want this so the alternative would be for China to open new fronts by taking action regarding Taiwan and by cooperating with Russia in heavily arming Iran and it’s proxies. Once three fronts active, USA/Europe will probably start talking seriously about negotiations. If not, then maybe the satellites get hit. Posted by: anonposter | Aug 23 2024 15:04 utc | 451 They agree with me (hehehe) that this incursion is more a large terrorist operation than a mini-tiny military offensive.
Posted by: Moonraker | Aug 23 2024 15:04 utc | 452 Everything is giving way while Zelensky plays silly games up north. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 23 2024 15:13 utc | 453 Ukraine Weekly Update, 23rd August 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-1b0 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 23 2024 15:13 utc | 454 Moonraker | Aug 23 2024 15:04 utc | 486 Posted by: ilsm | Aug 23 2024 15:21 utc | 455 @Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 23 2024 9:34 utc | 417 Worrisome that the UK and France have nukes! Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 23 2024 15:35 utc | 457 @ Melaleuca | Aug 23 2024 5:55 utc | 365 Posted by: james | Aug 23 2024 15:47 utc | 458 Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 11:07 utc | 435 Posted by: Victor | Aug 23 2024 16:20 utc | 459 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2024 5:55 utc | 365 Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 23 2024 16:40 utc | 460 IMHO, the BRICS should replace I with Iran. Posted by: Victor | Aug 23 2024 16:40 utc | 461 Zelensky live statement regarding India MIDI meeting. Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 23 2024 16:48 utc | 462 Russia is learning new things about its place in the world order like other old empires have been forced to do. If Russia had the capability, it would have defeated Ukraine by now, but it doesn’t have the capability and Russian people will pay for Putin’s gamble for decades to come. Posted by: Sniffing Enabler | Aug 23 2024 16:55 utc | 463 Sniffing Enabler | Aug 23 2024 16:55 utc | 498 Posted by: Carrion | Aug 23 2024 17:22 utc | 464 @ anon2020 | Aug 23 2024 16:40 utc | 495 Posted by: james | Aug 23 2024 17:22 utc | 465
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17190 Posted by: Down South | Aug 23 2024 17:40 utc | 466 How can the scum Modi be allowed to go to Ukraine unchecked and cavort with the comedian? Another failure for the Global South. Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 23 2024 17:41 utc | 467
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/106754 Posted by: Down South | Aug 23 2024 17:42 utc | 468 Kursk is Russia Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 23 2024 17:43 utc | 469 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 23 2024 17:41 utc | 502 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 23 2024 17:47 utc | 470 Mario@483….checking the odds. What are the odds that Britkraine could amass, 10k, 20k, 30k troops, maybe more, pick a number, with attendant armour and supply to take a very distracting road trip into the Kursk, and take the Russian MOD by suprise. Some here will whine oh but but but attrition trap la la la la la. Explain that to the Russian civilians who are for now (days, weeks, months, negotiated forever) Ukrainian citizens. Their take may be different. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 23 2024 17:51 utc | 471 Posted by: Victor | Aug 23 2024 16:20 utc | 494 Posted by: scc | Aug 23 2024 18:12 utc | 472 @Posted by: Victor | Aug 23 2024 16:40 utc | 496
BRINCISSTAN: Belarus, Russia, Iran, North Korea, China, Iraq, Syria and the Stans – the real alliance for EurAsian independence from Western neo-colonial meddling. Night Tripper @ 502
That’s just idiotic. You have no idea what’s being said behind closed doors, you actually think the cheek kisses, handshakes and hugs and boilerplate pressers are what high level meetings are really about??? Whether Modi’s reinforcing the USA’s agenda or the BRICS or Putin’s, and/or playing to headlines and factions at home you, me, and the peanut gallery haven’t a clue. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 23 2024 18:21 utc | 474
Excuse me but how can Ritter know this ? Does he happen to have private sources of information ? Bullshit. Ritter doesn’t have any more info than what’s publicly available, and he has been wrong countless times already. Posted by: Micron | Aug 23 2024 18:27 utc | 475 Just saw a geo-located piece of footage with a Russian destroying a Ukie tank, in the middle of Novogrodovka – in the Pokrovsk area. The Russians are making ridiculously fast progress, they were only on the outskirts last report. Ritter doesn’t have any more info than what’s publicly available, and he has been wrong countless times already. Posted by: Passerby | Aug 23 2024 18:34 utc | 477 Everyone seems to agree that we (that is, NATO) are behind the Kursk incursion. And that that is the reason why we allow Ukraine to use western weapons in Russia. I wonder: could it be that our fearless leaders got played by Ukraine? Posted by: Martina | Aug 23 2024 18:35 utc | 478 Andrei Martyanov’s latest: https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/08/another-one-bites-dust.html
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Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 18:41 utc | 479 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 23 2024 17:51 utc | 506 Posted by: Mario | Aug 23 2024 18:42 utc | 480 Posted by: Mario | Aug 23 2024 18:42 utc | 515 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 18:45 utc | 481 The F16 dilemma: you need someone who is simultaneously smart enough to fly it and dumb enough to fly it in range of Russian AD. Posted by: Moonraker | Aug 23 2024 19:06 utc | 482 Two sites I rely on, at least from my cheap seat vantage, are Nicolai Lilin and Brozzikman on Youtube, the latter I’ve been watching since before the SMO and has not steered me wrong, and cheers me up. Both state around 30K AFU/NATO troops not the 11k originally reported. This would make sense as the supposed 4k dead would imply the Kursk force having gone the way of the Light Brigade, and it obviously hasn’t, the rapid collapse in the Donbas also suggest they moved experienced troops. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 23 2024 19:07 utc | 483 At least the FBI believes Scott Ritter has documents at home that are not publicly available. Else you don’t get a search warrant. Posted by: Samu | Aug 23 2024 19:17 utc | 484 Some cracks are showing. For example, education and healthcare spending didn’t change between 2023 and 2024- except it did because inflation reduced the ruble’s value by ~7%. Which means worse outcomes longer term as those two are neglected. Also, while GDP PPP has grown, real GDP decreased almost 10% 2023-2024. Plus, there has been a deficit for the past couple years, covered by the funds in the National Wealth Fund but even that is drying up, the past two years took over $30 billion out each for the budget alone, and there’s less than $60 billion in liquid assets left so if next two budgets follows the trend, it may run dry. Inflation is also high and only growing, the MOEX is tumbling, and sanctions are taking their toll as payments are late or refused even from “friendly” countries like China that are reluctant to take Russian money due to threats of secondary sanctions. Posted by: Gisaac | Aug 23 2024 19:17 utc | 485 Posted by: Gisaac | Aug 23 2024 19:17 utc | 520 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 19:19 utc | 486 In my opinion, some of this escalation can be attributed to weapons and weapon systems. In the past 2 years, Russia has demonstrated the ability to overcome and suppress Western weapons and have adapted even drone technology to combat field operations enabling them to counteract, even to the point of making Western weapons completely ineffective. Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 23 2024 19:23 utc | 487 Posted by: Gisaac | Aug 23 2024 19:17 utc | 520 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 19:24 utc | 488 Excuse me but how can Ritter know this ? Does he happen to have private sources of information ? Bullshit. Ritter doesn’t have any more info than what’s publicly available, and he has been wrong countless times already. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 23 2024 19:27 utc | 489 Posted by: Gisaac | Aug 23 2024 19:17 utc | 520 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 23 2024 19:29 utc | 490 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 23 2024 19:29 utc | 525 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 19:35 utc | 491 The real question is not Kursk or Kramatorsk or even A NPP. It’s what happens when the state departments own personal little group of Houthis sink the first Russion oil tanker on their own personal strait of Hormuz. Did you think it’s a coincidence that Nulands merry band of Banderites just happen to be on the Russian energy export artery bottleneck? Posted by: dogowoof | Aug 23 2024 19:40 utc | 492 A somewhat pessimistic view from Colonel Lang’s old site (which has become generally, but not entirely, anti-Russian): Posted by: Seward | Aug 23 2024 19:46 utc | 493 Posted by: dogowoof | Aug 23 2024 19:40 utc | 527 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 19:50 utc | 494 One of the nicest persons I have ever met, was an Austrian from Wienna. He was in Russia with the German army, servicing in the propaganda division. Their job was installing big loudspeakers around Stalingrad, booming day and night “Stalingrad Massengrab” He saw my Amrican Navy Surplus felt coat, and said “we didn’t even have that” It was so cold the birds would literally drop dead from the sky, the engines in the trucks were still frozen on top, even if you lit a fire below and made them red hot there. Batteries were taken out and placed in your sleeping bags to prevent them from freezing and splitting, and the transport planes could not switch off their engines when off loading supplies, because they could not start them again! All that, after he had driven through at least three border posts coming to see us from Austria, having talked his way through each of them, having left his pass port at home! That was in 1978. Posted by: g wiltek | Aug 23 2024 19:50 utc | 495 Gisaac @ 520 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 23 2024 19:51 utc | 496
Could you maybe write this in crayon? It would make it more credible. It’s astounding the level of imagineering you NAFO types get up to in compensating for you apparent lack of reasoning skill ..and the annihilation of the proxy Nazi armies. It’s easier to imagine dragons fighting with wizards and shit, I guess. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 23 2024 19:58 utc | 498 Posted by: Seward | Aug 23 2024 19:46 utc | 528 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 23 2024 19:59 utc | 499 Where’s that quote from Andrei Martyanov? Ah, yes, here it is, suitably modified:
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