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August 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-200
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Novogrodovka is the key city in Pokrovsk direction. RUAF is already inside Novogrodovka and using drones without AFU electronic warfare resistance.
Notice there are 4 terracons around Novogrodovka, so controlling this town they can probably isolate and cut off the static strong terracon defense positions. The terracons were supposed to be the main defensive line SE of Pokrovsk so the fate of Novogrodovka determines the fate of this ‘last’ defensive line.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 20:17 utc | 201
🇺🇦Missile attack on the port of Kavkaz
A couple of hours ago, residents of Kerch in Crimea and Taman on the opposite bank of the Kerch Strait observed a missile attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the port of Kavkaz. Photos and videos of the enemy’s hit can be found on the Internet from various angles.
There is no need to talk about why everyone sees detailed results of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ strikes in the public domain time and time again. We and many of our colleagues are tired of complaining about this.
📌Let’s take a closer look at the attack.
According to preliminary data, the enemy used two Neptune anti-ship missiles . The exact launch area is still unknown, but it is highly likely that the launch was made from the Zaporizhia region (the use of anti-ship missiles for ground targets is no longer news) .
At the same time, the option of launching from the Odessa region should not be ruled out either. At the beginning of this year, the Ukrainian media reported on the modernization of missiles at a range of up to 500 km by reducing the warhead of the Neptune.
As a result, one of the missiles was shot down, and the second still reached its target, flying across the waters of the Azov Sea at a low altitude. And a ferry carrying fuel tanks was hit.
It is difficult to say why the Neptune could not be shot down, given that their characteristics have long been known, especially to Crimean units. It is quite possible that a combination of reasons played a role, including surprise, a new route, and a small number of missiles fired.
🔻However, the invisible consequences of the attack are more important :
In addition to the loss of fuel tanks, ferry service has been suspended, which will affect fuel supplies to the peninsula, as well as the functioning of the port itself.
Of course, these are solvable problems and they are temporary in essence, but in general they fit into the West’s plan to destroy Russia’s energy infrastructure (the sharply increased fuel prices in the south of Russia are proof of this) and cut off communications with Crimea.
We must not forget that the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their curators have not forgotten their main goal in the form of destroying the Crimean Bridge. Moreover, the attack in the Kursk region, the forays into the Tendrovskaya Spit – all this is closely connected with the enemy’s further plans in the Crimean direction .
❗️Given today’s strike, drones may be launched onto the peninsula in the coming days to force the Russian Armed Forces to expend their ammunition, and then, while there are supply problems, strike with something more serious, including the bridge.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 22 2024 20:19 utc | 202
Reuters does occasionally report the truth out of necessity
Russia opens criminal case against CNN reporter for ‘illegally crossing border’
Just who does the Rules-Based-Order apply to?
Maybe we will find out.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2024 20:21 utc | 203
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 22 2024 17:01 utc | 139
Good, someone else understands the history between those two countries, inc the border clashes, stealing the SA-2 SAMs secrets and the Russian fear of Chinese conventional forces, that Nixon played upon.
Interesting fact, Chinese companies made range-finding reticules for RPG-7’s, used by the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, based on Soviet vehicle dimensions, not the NATO ones a standard launcher would have. Improved their accuracy quite considerably.
Posted by: Mi;ites | Aug 22 2024 20:22 utc | 204
Has anyone noted similarities between this attack and the famous 1943 Battle of Kursk? With the “Ukies” playing the Germans?
Posted by: Douglas Self | Aug 22 2024 20:28 utc | 205
217 – I thought Russians were supposed to be groaning under Putin’s tyranny. “Whining and hurt butts” tend not to last long in dictatorships. From the sounds of it, Russians actually seem rather free.
For that matter, people have faced consequences for social media posts in Ukraine that are considered not to help Kiev’s war effort. But Ukraine is supposed to be this noble democracy and Russia is a tyranny.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 22 2024 20:33 utc | 206
Posted by: Mr B | Aug 22 2024 20:17 utc | 217
Ain’t it nice when things don’t go your way, you can just keep moving the goalposts?
We have more than enough evidence from captured AFU POWs that the goals were clearly defined as capturing Kursk power plant, cutting the Rylsk-Kursk road, and much larger advances in general, without transfer of additional reinforcements from the Donbass (on top of the initial forces cobbled up from 18 battalion or brigade sized units from Donbass and Belarussian border). And now the AFU is suckered in sending ever more units.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 20:35 utc | 207
Interesting tidbit, if true:
At about 7 p.m., a missile strike was launched at a bunker on the territory of the Sumkhimprom plant in Sumy, where Zelensky was holding a meeting with the command staff of the AFU group and Syrsky today.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/124893
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 20:38 utc | 208
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 20:12 utc | 214
Posted by: Milites | Aug 22 2024 9:50 utc | 431
‘They also are in danger of over-loading one sector, whilst leaving the other short of troops. If Russia were only to make a minor push the Sudzha supply line would be threatened, shades of Hell’s Highway in NWE ‘44.’
I was not the only poster to point out the bleedin’ obvious. Remember, Germany ran out of infantry, not AFV’s during Operation Citadel. You cannot advance without securing your flanks, well you can, but you soon find your flanks and the enemy’s line of contact are the same!
Posted by: Milites | Aug 22 2024 20:45 utc | 209
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 20:38 utc | 225
Russia has had a gazillion opportunities during SMO to take out Zelensky, even from sniper fire.
Last time Zelensky was in Odessa harbor handing out rewards to AFU officers for the sea drone attacks on BSF. Zelensky left and 10 or 20 minutes later RUAF missile hit the area, killing most reward medal recipients.
Ze doesn’t give a sh#t, he is just an actor doing videos for the lobotomized audience in the west. What happens outside BBC/CNN reports, who cares.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 20:46 utc | 210
Russia could give Hezbollah some Iskanders to blow up the US bases in Syria and the British bases in Cyprus
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 19:58 utc | 213
Probably not too far off the mark.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 22 2024 20:50 utc | 211
Mr b
True and not true.
Yes Russia is stretched militarily. That is obvious. I do not go with the 5d chess stuff but with a nation doing its best. Some actions have been brilliant others less so. Stupid even.
The key is that Russia fears nato invasion and has had no choice other than keeping troops and weapons in reserve. It has a very long border.
However they are not burning through equipment or not until kursk not sure about that. Russia started with good stuff but in small quantities. In the first 18 months it was barely used. Just demonstration on key targets.
Now the good stuff is used much more.
Also unconventional retaliation in natoland. Lots of fuel and weapons delivery having accidents.
I suspect the decision by Poland to force return has led to the increase of pro Russian Ukrainians in the west who are finally willing to engage.
Posted by: Watcher | Aug 22 2024 20:54 utc | 212
AFU making huge offensive effort in Russkaya Konopelka but was repelled (from where the video linked earlier was from).
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 20:12 utc | 214
Turkey shootings.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 22 2024 21:00 utc | 213
BTW if it was going well for the AFU they wouldn’t have blown up the bridges, they would either have needed them to advance or they would have wanted to orcs to come at them. The AFU is on the back foot.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 11:57 utc | 41
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Not in fact true. More positivity cope. As I understand it, through the History Legends analysis, the Ukies are blowing those bridges to prevent the RFAF sweeping around south and east to choke off the cauldron/salient the AFU made on their way into Russia. A LOT of people, myself included, were saying soon after the start, “Why doesn’t Russia just close the cauldron”. A: AFU had the salient mouth very well defended and PLANNED to blow those bridges to prevent closure. THAT’S HOW COME they’ve been able to stream in more and more equipment over the 2 weeks.
Furthermore, the easterly salient mouth is naturally protected — forest, swamps, rivers — so, atm, Russia is fucked to stop build ups. Also, apparently, there is masses of AD guarding the salient, so at present, even a mass aerial campaign is risky.
So there you have it. A very well planned operation which has stymied the Russians for 2 weeks. Yes, Russia is battling and blocking *SOME* of the northern AFU spearheads, but the big salient mouth itself is still wide open AND IN FACT GROWING TO THE WEST. We friends of Russia need to better acknowledge the many levels of Clever which the West have pulled off here — despite knowing it will eventually peter out and die.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 21:07 utc | 214
OK, so it seems that these attacks aren’t actually that important, since the 2200hrs news on BBC Radio 5Live completely ignored them, instead it focussed entirely on domestic news stories.
This radio station is usually one of the biggest pro-Ukraine cheerleaders, promoting itself as “The Voice Of The UK”. What’s gone wrong?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 22 2024 21:08 utc | 215
@225
By 2026 most U$$A people will be in breadlines and wearing ugly shoes. Says Elon Musk.
That happens before CIA/Mi6/delta force run out of bearded SOF volunteers
Posted by: Paddy | Aug 22 2024 21:09 utc | 216
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 22 2024 16:39 utc | 127
I second your take. Imo russia occupies not only the moral high ground. Fellow ship is coming from the east atm, with time this may change of course or not even be.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 22 2024 21:13 utc | 217
Dima says, Ukraine is advancing slowly but inexorably, and the Russians are in big trouble. The Russians claim the opposite, that everything is going according to plan. Who is right here. It’s all very confusing.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 22 2024 21:17 utc | 218
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 21:07 utc | 231
Another view on the AFU recent moves, is they are moving west toward Glushkovo south of Koronevo, because that is the path of least resistance.
There is no doubt they could take Tetkino and Glushkovo. But this is already a more or less isolated area providing no further benefit. What really matters is Sudzha, and the road to the west straight into Sumy.
If RUAF thwarts AFU moves to the NW/N/NE/E/SE of Sudzha, AFU is in deep sh#t as it can herald a joint counte-attack to retake Sudzha. Which as the base of everything, collapses everything, including the little moves toward Glushkovo. If the RUAF poked into Martynovka and gave the AFU a bloody nose in Russkaya Konopelka, we can say AFU is stalled for now.
Well, we’ll see. On the other hand if AFU is moving more units, they may continue gains. But there are plenty of evidence the area SE of Pokrovsk, Ugledar, New York/Toretsk are pretty stripped and running on skeleton garrisons at this point.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 21:24 utc | 219
As I’ve noted some time before, NATO yet again didn’t even bother targeting a military ship. Yet again, they hit a civilian boat, a barge. At least it carried fuel this time and wasn’t a decommissioned piece of rusting metal. I believe NATO is unable hit fuck all of high value anymore.
Rybar is understandably concerned of a saturation strike, yet I’ve seen no evidence AFU is capable to properly defeat Russian AD. It has been two years now without evidence of them being able to accumulate and launch a truly massive missile strike anywhere (the like RUAF is capable of). Two years of attempts, with a limited penetration every few months with a big influx of nazi fans in this bar, followed by more failed attempts and crickets. The penetrations have steadily declined in effect. Russian Air Force has been doing its job both on defense and on offense.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 22 2024 21:24 utc | 220
Holy Shit b! This current infestation of bar fleas is bigger than than any other in the decade plus I have been a regular at the bar.
What a hoot! What do they hope to accomplish?
I am glad they seem only to be paid to BS about Ukraine. It really must be on its last leg.
Where are the F 16s?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2024 19:25 utc | 197
I think I have an answer for that.
After failing on trashing the threads they seem to have mellowed out and try to pass some (des)information:
1. Kursk, and any other attacks, are Polish
2. Go nuclear, Z is close to going
3. China is currently/will screw Russia
4. Go full mobilization, nato is about to enter fully
So these to be the psy-op objectives
my 2 cents
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 22 2024 21:26 utc | 221
“What do they hope to accomplish?”
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There is an explanation
A) the vassal, the servant, the bootlicker, the ass-kisser, the suck-up to our Masters needs to believe
B) they are used to talking to our lobotomized fellow citizens
Posted by: Simon | Aug 22 2024 21:31 utc | 222
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 21:07 utc | 231
Explain how it’s clever if it’s just going to ‘eventually peter out and die’? I must have missed something during my planning briefs, when you have to state clearly what your objective was going to be. Silly me, I should have told the lecturer, it’s a clever plan, because I defended my breach, overloaded the road net available, whilst increasing the density of forces in the breach, who are now sliding Westwards, because they’ve been blocked moving in any other direction, but it’s still a clever plan that will eventually peter out and die.
I must have been taught the wrong definition of a good operational plan, any more short cuts you could offer me, I’m starting a project soon and could do with a few tips. What do you mean putting most of my AD assets in the salient’s risky, it’s clever, why because it makes them a relatively concentrated target for IRS to locate and tube/rocket based SEAD to be used, see, clever!
Posted by: Milites | Aug 22 2024 21:38 utc | 223
❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Rout of the AFU in Russkaya Konopelka
What is known as of the end of August 22, 2024
By evening, fierce battles continue in several sectors in the Kursk Region.
🔻In the Glushkovo District, the enemy is increasing the number of strikes on crossings over the Seym River and settlements south of the river. Apparently, the AFU will attempt an offensive in this area in the near future. This is evidenced by reports of increased UAV strikes on various targets in the region.
🔻In the Korenevo District, fighting continues for Krasnooktyabr’skoye, where the enemy reached in the first days of the offensive but failed to consolidate. At the same time, the scale of the attacks by Ukrainian formations in the vicinity of Snagost’ is becoming clearer. As we predicted, the enemy has passed through Apanasovka and at least temporarily occupied the 10th October tract.
Additionally, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported the destruction of an enemy group in two armored vehicles near Skryl’evka. There was no large concentration of the AFU observed in this area. Mechanized groups were spotted in the area of Zhuravli, but there is almost no information about battles in the Durovo – Obshchiy Kolodez’ – Kalinov triangle.
🔻In the Sudzha District, clashes are ongoing, but there are no reports of the liberation of settlements on the Internet. In the area of Russkaya Konopelka and the settlement itself, a large enemy group was destroyed. Based on footage that appeared online, as a result of a successful ambush and subsequent drone strikes, the enemy lost several armored vehicles and a large number of infantry.
At the same time, there is no information on whether the village was cleared. In any case, the Ukrainian formations suffered heavy losses as a result of a relatively short-lived battle.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17169
Posted by: Down South | Aug 22 2024 21:40 utc | 224
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Ukraine should require at least $38 billion in external financing next year, which is in line with the planned external financing for the current year, Ukrainian media reported, citing a statement from Prime Minister Denis Shmygal.
As reported, the National Bank assesses that international partners should provide Ukraine with around $38 billion in preferential loans and grants in 2024, and at least $31 billion next year.
Information on the Finance Ministry’s website indicates that Ukraine’s budget has received $98.04 billion in external financing since February 2022, including $31.1 billion in 2022, with grants totaling $14.23 billion; $42.48 billion in 2023, grants totaling 11.62 billion; and $24.47 billion in 2024, grants totaling $6.55 billion.
@Slavyangrad
Posted by: Jo | Aug 22 2024 21:44 utc | 225
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 22 2024 21:26 utc | 238
Yes quite so
2 and 3 are not new psyops but they have resurfaced. Nos 1 and 4 seem newish. They have not before admitted the huge role of Poland, nor that NATO plans to invade.
Of course it is No 2 that they have ALWAYS been pushing (are you here Shadow!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I can only assume that the NATO “plan” is that Russia will use a nuke, giving NATO the excuse to retaliate in force, presumably planning to the out Russian nuclear silos and its two biggest cities ie Moscow and St P.
Presumably NATO believes that Russia would not be willing or able to retaliate in kind giving total victory to NATO.
This is a dangerous game. I have no idea the extent to which Russia is bluffing regarding its ability to retaliate and its super weapons ie Poseidon. I suspect however that the sanctions and cultural isolation forced on Russia, rather than weakening Russian resolve has strengthened it. After all there is no life anymore for even Russian elites in Western Europe, so preserving Russia is now their best option.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 22 2024 21:51 utc | 226
Milites | Aug 22 2024 21:38 utc | 240
Look mate, you and I have discussed this prior, several times, so I’m not going to fully reiterate against your absolutist and fixed position, nor counter your silly sarcasm.
In life, an idea can be clever on the drawing board on Monday; go initially well; flounder on Friday; endure its ups and downs for weeks; and peter out in several MONTHS — which is what it will take RF to cleanout this mess. Meanwhile, xxxx troops and weapons die on both sides. Kiev will look good, Russia look impotent for a while, but, in time, the op will territorially fail but give Kiev a PR win. That’s in fact “clever” for the Ukies.
I know you and I mutually hate the Ukies, but your blanket bias and military selectivity is below someone as smart as you. RF have made many (retrospective) failures considered “clever” at the time. Not all applications of intelligence consistently end up successful. SpaceX anyone? Search your own mil history for such cases. You are being churlish.
In life, there are many echelons of smart/clever. The Ukies unarguably designed and pulled off an effective swifty on Russia. That’s the level of cleverness I mean. Whereas, for example the Rabotino and Krinky advances were pure folly from start to finish. Can’t you see the difference?
And, once again, I see you failed to address the actual ground tactics I explained to illustrate my point. Yours was just an arse wipe. Respect minus 2 points.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 22:15 utc | 227
Things will be rough for Russia for a while. Until the figure out how to counter the newest NATO hardware put into play. It happened before a few times, each time when there was an escalation in weapons systems. Not every time Russia was able to counter it, e.g. the loss of control over the Black Sea is still ongoing.
This time it is also economic as they are spiking their fuel prices and hence countering the narrative within Russia that this is just an SMO and people can live like there is nothing going on. There are also hostages to take into account.
Lets see how they deal with this new situation. The attrition war strategy is I believe still the path of least resistance, even if NPPs or other nuclear facilities are hit next. Russia started this so they have to carry the burden and see it through go the end. That is the external opinion, also from their conditional allies, which at the moment Russia is still bound to respect.
They simply have no choice but to rough it out until the smoke settles and a clear path os revealed is my opinion. Lets hope their military hardware evolves and they manage to solve the problems NATO created for them.
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 22 2024 22:23 utc | 228
Russian progress continuing in the Pokrovsk front, taking now half of Hrodivka and getting a good foothold in Novohrodivka. With these two taken, both pincers are about 6km from Pokrovsk. With only really Myrnohrad and Lysivka in the way.
In the south Ptyche is already gone and Kalynove less than 2km way. After that, Karlivka (2 more km) and everything east of a line between there and Krasnohorivka starts to collapse. Then next Kurakhove, and everything east of line between there and Ugledar starts to collapse.
An accelerating disaster for Ukraine.
lol I think you get newcomers every huge embarrassment for Russia because people want to vent. Meanwhile we have the grandpa true believers here blocking their ears “lalalalala I can’t hear you multipolarity Putin 5D chess master lalalalala”
Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Aug 22 2024 19:33 utc | 202
There’s a new troll in town…and he’s just as big a dildo as the rest, excepting Vargas, who is lame but is much more subtle and tolerable.
For the record, it doesn’t require a true believer to see that the Ukies are fucked and should NATO get frisky they will be fucked too.
It’s Russia/China dipshit. US imperialism virtually welded these two into an unstoppable titan of the next world order with their deeply, deeply retarded foreign policy and now they just don’t know what to do. May they rot in hell!
Death to the Ukronazis and death to the Zionazis!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 22 2024 22:28 utc | 230
unimperator | Aug 22 2024 21:24 utc | 236
I would not disagree with your specific internal assessments and the eventual results. My sole point was the gaping influx of Ukie forces via The Mouth for 3 weeks now. THAT’S the biggest RF hurdle which has surprised and annoyed me! How many smug commentators (me included) were saying “Ah, but they’ll be choked in there soon enough”?
Btw, be careful when countering some uncomfortable point not to distract onto other “good news” and better future scenaria, thus failing to acknowledge RF’s shortcomings or AFU/NATO successful maskirovka … like Milites did in 240 🙂
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 22:31 utc | 231
@ Ahenobarbus | Aug 22 2024 22:28 utc | 247 with the pithy
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It’s Russia/China dipshit.
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Its like Peter AU1 saying piss off to the trolls….sometimes you have to call it like it is…thanks
I was reading all this blather about China being neutral in our civilization war and I laugh at them….how shallow can one think?
This is how you make social organizational change out of a bully one….like making sausage.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 22 2024 22:36 utc | 232
Johan Kaspar | Aug 22 2024 13:32 utc | 75
Ryan from chosen company.
They have a two-part performance on yt.
I am surprised it didn’t have a age restriction sign in. It might by now.
Of course, yt rules are capricious, and chosen company are probably exempt from arbitrary rules that don’t apply for actual shooting, but apply to simple but dangerous words from Judge Nap and Jackson Hinkle.
The Bloodiest Battle of the Chosen Company | Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djtM6MHFXEk13 Aug 2024
To capitalize on the sweeping success of Operation Pervo-1 the Chosen Company with the other units of the 59th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have decided to execute a bold large-scale offensive that would see the entirety of the company deployed on the battlefield.
Four teams would assault, trying to push through in the village of Pervomaiske, just 10 kilometers away from Donetsk.
This operation, nicknamed Pervo-2, would become their hardest and bloodiest battle.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2024 22:39 utc | 233
AFU MOBILE GROUPS CONTINUE TO BE ELIMINATED IN KURSK
Russian Armed Forces, today, continued clearing the rear areas of enemy mobile groups that had previously broken through the border.
“Over the past 24 hours, enemy attacks have been thwarted in Komarovka, Korenevo, Malaya Loknya and Russkaya Konopelka,” said a source at the front.
“Combing of forests and adjacent settlements has been going on for several days now to rout out enemy units, and with good success” she added.
Artillery strikes and aviation have also inflicted heavy damage on enemy manpower and equipment. “The enemy gathered forces in the area of the settlements of Apanasovka, Borki, Vishnevka, Kositsa, Nizhny Klin, Snagost, Sverdlikovo and Cossack Loknya,” she said. “And attacks were again carried out on enemy reserves concentrated in the border areas.”
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 22 2024 22:39 utc | 234
Milites | Aug 22 2024 14:51 utc | 93
problem …in a nut-shell, remote viewers arguing over who gets the bragging rights over vehicle kills.
Indeed. For NAFO and U$NATO, the sloSMO is not a brutal destructive war in Europe, but a sportsball game where cheers for a point scored are de rigueur.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2024 22:48 utc | 235
Posted by: Naive | Aug 22 2024 19:42 utc | 207
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These NAFO bros don’t understand what the Siloviki are as there is no corollary in the West.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 22 2024 22:52 utc | 236
Ye ha. Bye bye shit heads
‘ 🇺🇸🇺🇦 U.S. Embassy Urges American Citizens to Leave Ukraine
Statement:
The Department of State has information that Russia is stepping up efforts to launch strikes against Ukraine’s civilian infrastructure and government facilities in the coming days. Russian strikes in Ukraine pose a continued threat to civilians and civilian infrastructure. The U.S. Embassy urges U.S. citizens to depart Ukraine now using privately available ground transportation options if it is safe to do so.
🔴 @DDGeopolitics’
It looks likes defeat will not be delayed till elections are done.
Illegal apartheid entity shortly following.
Run Rabbit Run Run Run..:
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 22 2024 22:55 utc | 237
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 22 2024 22:55 utc | 254
Not so much yee ha! Dun
There is another MUCH scarier scenario. The USA/NATO may have finally decided to commit troops in large numbers, no longer sheep dipped. It becomes a very real war.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 22 2024 23:03 utc | 238
@ watcher | Aug 22 2024 23:03 utc | 255
NATO has no troops for this war, they’ve done nothing to increase their contingent, except maybe Poland, but things don’t look good there either. NATO isn’t ready for a war and doesn’t want it. This is still a proxy war for a reason. They are falling face first into one, sure, but it is not their goal.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 22 2024 23:08 utc | 239
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 22 2024 22:55 utc | 254
Posted by: watcher | Aug 22 2024 23:03 utc | 255
Martyanov on his todays video had a mention of the UAV attack attempt in the airbase near Murmansk. The UAV was an A-22, a knockoff of the Cessna 172. There is no chance that piston engine thing could have flown flown from Ukraine having too little range. The only options are either some Ukrainian cell launched the plane from a Russian airstrip, or it came from Finland.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:09 utc | 240
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 22 2024 22:55 utc | 254
Posted by: watcher | Aug 22 2024 23:03 utc | 255
Martyanov on his todays video had a mention of the UAV attack attempt in the airbase near Murmansk. The UAV was an A-22, a knockoff of the Cessna 172. There is no chance that piston engine thing could have flown flown from Ukraine having too little range. The only options are either some Ukrainian cell launched the plane from a Russian airstrip, or it came from Finland.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:09 utc | 241
Re: Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 22 2024 16:13 utc | 116
If we’re going to play at retrospective forecasting, who in 2022 would have predicted Ukraine’s calamitous financial position? Who would have bought the bonds back then expecting to have to take a huge “haircut” two years later? Who do they sue?
I was told in 2022 that Ukraine wouldn’t exist by now by many around here – Richard Hack for instance – so no, no one around here would have bought those bonds back in 2022 because they were such a bad deal at the time.
Ukraine’s calamitous financial position was widely expected Jeremy.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 22 2024 23:11 utc | 242
“WE’RE IN NO HURRY TO LIBERATE KURSK FROM KIEV FORCES”
After the Kiev regime sent its combat-ready reserves to storm the Kursk region of the Russian Federation, many experts put forward a variety of versions regarding the goals of this operation. Some stated that the Kiev regime intends to seize the Kursk nuclear power plant, others called the invasion a “media adventure.”
More than two weeks have passed since the invasion of the border area, and the Russian military-political command has still not devoted all its available forces to “putting out the fire” in the Kursk region.
Why the Russian authorities are “in no hurry” to liberate the Kursk region, Tatyana Stanovaya, an expert from the Carnegie Centre, explained in her interview with The Wall Street Journal.
According to her, the strategic goal of the Russian command is to establish complete control over the territory of the Donetsk region , which will ultimately lead to the collapse of the Ukrainian government and force Kiev to negotiate on Moscow’s terms.
As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have to leave the occupied territories of the Kursk region without a fight, which will allow the Russian authorities to avoid a scenario with large-scale destruction and urban battles.
There is no particular panic in Moscow about the situation in the Kursk region. Vladimir Putin doesn’t think the Ukrainian offensive has much impact on his broader strategic calculus.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 22 2024 23:15 utc | 243
@anon202
We must not forget that the Ukrainian Armed Forces and their curators have not forgotten their main goal in the form of destroying the Crimean Bridge. Moreover, the attack in the Kursk region, the forays into the Tendrovskaya Spit – all this is closely connected with the enemy’s further plans in the Crimean direction
While some scratch their head at the purpose of the Kursk adventure.. (and IMVHO the NPP was a goal), Kursk makes total sense if it is understood that Crimea is the prize.
The British planners of Kursk believe the Russians are as weak and poorly resourced as the Ukrainians. The Brits still believe the hoary trope of Russians fighting with shovels.
The Brit planners believed the Russians would be forced to move significant troops from Donbass to save Kursk.
They thought “Putin” couldn’t tolerate the *humiliation* of having Real Russia invaded.
(And as an aside, he ain’t well pleased).
But the Russians haven’t responded by moving from Donbass, and that miscalculation is going to be one of those historic, spectacular British military fuckups.
Even though Kursk is floundering, even though the Russians are advancing in Donbass, the British cannot let go of their obsession with Crimea.
Posters here sense the Russians are holding back, anticipating Something Big.
Yep.
A British led campaign for Crimea.
It’s 1853-56 all over again.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2024 23:15 utc | 244
Posted by: boneless | Aug 22 2024 23:08 utc | 256
They may not be ready, but there may be other things dictating this development now. Pistorius, the German defense minister said they need to be ready by 2029. The US markets are showing incredible cracks with incredible amount of centrally planned manipulation. There may not be much time before things start to seriously implode, escalating into bank runs and bank failures.
The reasoning for a war might be to cover up such events, as implosion of the western FIAT system.
I see the Kursk attack as a desperate last-ditch effort to force through a Nato victory in Ukraine. And now we hear AFU may have a third of its army on the Bryansk-Belgorod-Kursk border area. If that is true, that is most likely not the AFU, but the Polish army there. We are just waiting when one or both side acknowledges it. But so far, no one wants to acknowledge it.
Biden-DNC is most likely gunning for the war(s) now, both on Hezbollah, finish off Gaza and with invasion of Russia, before the election. At least they are really trying.
They may have decided to sacrifice the euronoodel vassals regardless whether they are ready/want it or not.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:17 utc | 245
As I’ve stated before, while I like Dima and his videos provide value, he tends to be a bed-wetter.
I would not let his speculations or panicky tone worry you.
NAZO is throwing everything they have at Russia to delay the inevitable past November 5. If Ukraine surrenders on November 6, the chimps running the show will declare victory as long as Trump is defeated.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 22 2024 23:23 utc | 246
@ unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:17 utc | 262
Such war would not involve so-called-ukraine nor would it be fought on its former territory. That is the distinction I make. I do not deny the signs, nor do I disagree in essence. Yet the current so-called-ukraine adventure will stay confined to it until its approaching and inevitable end, in my opinion.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 22 2024 23:26 utc | 247
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2024 23:15 utc | 261
Russia has a long history of allowing enemies to come deeper, and using long term attrition warfare, and delays, etc. Albeit considering the sizes of units and total amount of forces are significantly smaller than past wars, correspondingly the amount of territory needed to cede to achieve these results is smaller as well. We may be talking about giving up 10 or 20 km here and there to establish a new defensive line and this can be constrained relatively well.
Luckily so far RUAF seems to be doing pretty well in containing the AFU in current positions, but they may still throw in more units toward Sudzha-Koronevo.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:26 utc | 248
DunGroanin @ 254
U.S. Embassy Urges American Citizens to Leave Ukraine
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China has warned of retaliatory strikes on Kiev in the coming days.
The Chinese Embassy in Kiev is urging its citizens to avoid traveling to Ukraine over fears of massive Russian attacks on Ukraine’s Independence Day this Saturday.
“>https://t.me/AussieCossack/21607
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 23:36 utc | 249
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that Syrsky hides the level of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk operation, since this is a personal initiative of Zelensky, and the fate of the Commander-in-Chief depends on its implementation. The Office of the President requires the General Staff to step up its attack on Russian territories before the US election in order to use this case for bidding in the negotiation process.
In a comment I put in the last thread and then near the start of this thread, I put that I felt Russia was holding back reserves and so forth because it is watching a larger threat. The F16s still have not been used.
That post from the Ukie tg – Nato going all out on this Kursk offensive to get the nod from the US for something?
The two numbers for required recruitment that came out of Ukraine some time back, were I think 20,000 according to the head general and 30,000 according to a politician. They were in the ballpark of what Russ MOD daily losses of Ukraine was.
Average that at 25,000 recruites just to replace losses for Ukraine.
Putin Gave a 5-1 casualty ratio which is possibly low but that’s a good enough number. That would mean Russia only needs one fifth the recruits for replacement compared to Ukraine. 5,000 per month to replace losses.
Monthly recruitment numbers for Russia that I have seen is 30,000 which would mean Russia, minus replacements for casualties has a surplus or buildup of 25,000 each and every month. That has been going on for some time. Perhaps they are all on the current frontlines, but I tend to think Russia is holding relatively large reserve force that has not yet been used.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:38 utc | 250
LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 23:36 utc | 266
Possibly, possibly just projection on the part of the US. The western media have been predicting Russian ‘revenge’ strikes since the start of Kursk. I guess they think Putin has to do something to save face. I do assume though a few more targets will be added to the list of the SMO allowable targets.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:45 utc | 251
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:38 utc | 267
This is all just speculation of course, but it is possible what you say RUAF is seeing another bigger threat somewhere and holding back some reserve already built up over a longer period of time out of large surplusses.
Likewise, Nato might be waiting for RUAF to commit some reserve RUAF was building up to Kursk.
It seems, and yet again this is speculation, but if there is a waiting game, so far it is working for Russia, as, if one viewed reports today, RUAF made massive land gains both south of Zhelanne and could be taking Novogrodovka shortly, leading to collapse of the main defense line SE of Pokrovsk, composed of terracons.
Maybe there is a larger Nato attacking brewing, maybe not. Maybe in Bryansk where they made the recon-in-force.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:46 utc | 252
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:38 utc | 267
This is all just speculation of course, but it is possible what you say RUAF is seeing another bigger threat somewhere and holding back some reserve already built up over a longer period of time out of large surplusses.
Likewise, Nato might be waiting for RUAF to commit some reserve RUAF was building up to Kursk.
It seems, and yet again this is speculation, but if there is a waiting game, so far it is working for Russia, as, if one viewed reports today, RUAF made massive land gains both south of Zhelanne and could be taking Novogrodovka shortly, leading to collapse of the main defense line SE of Pokrovsk, composed of terracons.
Maybe there is a larger Nato attacking brewing, maybe not. Maybe in Bryansk where they made the recon-in-force.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:46 utc | 253
unimperator | Aug 22 2024 23:46 utc | 269
Thanks for your thoughts on that.
I see on the latest MoD report, Ukie troop losses for the day approaching 2,500. They seem to be throwing caution to the winds.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:51 utc | 254
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 22:15 utc | 244
It’s not clever if it fails, it’s clever, clever, which tends to kill plans and people. Clever is not loading the risk, reward scale so that your reward is significantly outweighed by your risk. An operational plan has to take the entire theatre into account, the clever plan that risks an operational and possibly strategic defeat is suddenly rendered not clever at all.
Using your reasoning Wacht am Rhein was a clever plan because it caught the Allies by surprise, using all means of artifice, weather shielding and camouflaged intent to achieve significant breakthroughs and some impressive first day advances. That assessment would have come as a surprise to the German General staff who thought it unduly risky, wasteful and little chance (10%) to succeed. The Russians in Kursk were caught by surprise because they had not anticipated the move, for a simple reason, they thought it a bloody stupid operational concept, and they were right. Don’t forget they know what’s behind the frontlines.
Clever plans don’t fuck up their timetable within hours, because they are reliant on conveniently forgetting basics like, the enemy has a vote, and all the laws of operational friction. You castigate me for for bias (evidence please, I was the one saying one for one most Western kit is demonstrably superior) but then give a pass for the clever planners who made biased decisions that doomed the whole enterprise, thankfully.
I’m a strategist, operational planner, therefore I assess a plan in the entirety, not individually, sequentially, etc when coming to a conclusion about its efficacy. If a plan does not succeed in its aim, but elements of it were ‘clever’, it was not clever, especially if those elements contributed to its failure*, so let’s learn from our mistakes and plan smarter next time. The offensive in ‘23 was out of the box dumb, this attempt is stupid, if you want a distinction between plans created by planners who forgot the golden rule, don’t plan for the plan, plan for the objective. Or, always ask yourself, why something is being done and how it will help achieve the objective.
* one clever aspect was OPSEC, units were told at the last moment about their orders, ensuring the element of surprise. But what the planning god gives with one hand he shall take with the other. No time for preparation, no time for rehearsals, critical if you are limited to brigade sized units, and limiting most operations to daylight hours. Everything will be ok until the first problem, and then that lack of preparation becomes a friction multiplier. End result critical initial objectives are not captured until days later. Worse, units can only effectively use a percentage of the 24 hour daily cycle, when utilising tactics and an operational cycle that is based on 100%, a situation compounded by an opponent whose principle platform superiority has that NV/AWC capability.
So, perhaps it’s a matter of perspective, my success criteria is based on outcomes, not absolutism, yours it seems are based on elements, allowing you to generate a conclusion that is at odds with some of your observations; whereas I start from the conclusion as the key assessment of success or failure. Though hopefully I have illustrated how a clever decision, in isolation, can end up being the reverse, when viewed in its totality.
Apologies for the slightly ranty staccato reply, I’m tired and you tweaked my tail.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 22 2024 23:53 utc | 255
I’ll just shoulder and elbow my way to the bar and announce the completion of the “Regional Frontline Update & Meeting with Government” report that’s quite a long read but contains a lot of info as usual.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 23:36 utc | 266
Or, as I speculated previously the Russians are going to strike the logistics and support hubs of the Donbas forces, possibly the Kursk offensive, and they are located in or near civilian residences. It’s also a good way to reduce the number of observers who might challenge the narrative of eventual Ukrainian victory.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 0:01 utc | 257
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:38 utc | 267
I fully agree. Russia is almost certainly holding back forces because it fears a NATO attack. Question is from which direction(s).
Finland
Kaliningrad
Zaporizhia
Black sea
Kazakhstan
Japan
Mongolia
Siberia/USA
Arctic
Georgia
The list is long.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 23 2024 0:03 utc | 258
And to those whose reaction is
“Crimea. Pfff.”. It’s a bridge too far[😁]
Q: What was the purpose of The Maiden?
A: To put a U$ naval base at Sevastopol.
Putin kiboshed that with his Polite People/ Men in Green.
The Borge couldn’t believe it had taken Ukraine, but lost Crimea.
It’s been a growing obsession since.
The Borge now understands (although it is welded to its denial) that the Russian Zerg rush to Kiev in Feb 22 was a diversion tactic that allowed them to seize and secure the land corridor to Crimea.
Kursk is the Brits thinking they’ll play the same move… Zerg rush Kursk (and pick up a NPP as a bonus) forcing Russia to move out of Donbass, allowing the Brits to have a redo of the Grand Summer Offensive of 2023, where they take Melitopol and cut the Russians from Crimea.
And then they can indulge their Great Amphibious Landing on the beaches of Balaklava
a shoreline which looks similar to Gallipoli, but that won’t deter the Brits
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2024 0:10 utc | 259
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 22 2024 23:15 utc | 260
This! I think the piss-ant planners of this Proxy war ignored a crucial lesson, never assume your opponent will react the way you would (a good determiner of intelligence). So wrapped up in their obvious superiority and mastery of narratives and social impacts that they, and ironically some Russia supporting posters here, forgot how coldly pragmatic and ruthless Russia can be, when it regards a threat as existential.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 23 2024 0:11 utc | 260
Posted by: boneless | Aug 22 2024 23:08 utc | 256
Here is a retired Russian Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov on a Russian TV the other day who disagrees with you.
https://x.com/i/status/1812031112090169779
“Any confrontation with the NATO bloc is possible only with the use of nuclear weapons. There is simply no other option. If NATO’s military organization surpasses us, it is absolutely futile for us to enter into such an armed confrontation with conventional means of destruction only.”
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 23 2024 0:30 utc | 261
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 23:51 utc | 271 “I see on the latest MoD report, Ukie troop losses for the day approaching 2,500. They seem to be throwing caution to the winds.”
I guess it’s a shame that Ukraine doesn’t believe those “up to” numbers.
“Since the beginning of hostilities in Kursk region, the AFU losses amounted to up to 4,700 Ukrainian troops”
Could be 1, 10, 20, could be 4,700.
Posted by: ed4 | Aug 23 2024 0:35 utc | 262
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 22 2024 20:35 utc | 224
Unimperator: ‘We have more than enough evidence from captured AFU POWs that the goals were clearly defined as capturing Kursk power plant, cutting the Rylsk-Kursk road, and much larger advances in general…’
Kursk would have been a bridge too far for the size of the Ukrainian offensive. Remember also that many of the soldiers were kept in the dark about the operation until close to the start, so their knowledge would be limited.
The incursion is certainly a risky affair, but not a gamble. By all appearances, it has been a carefully planned operation probably taking months to flesh out. Despite its risky nature, Ukraine has so far gained much from the incursion. Some takeaways:
• Putin has failed to protect his people from invasion. Putin’s reputation among his supporters rests on the notion of him as the ‘great man’, the ‘leader’. These images are looking tarnished.
• Ukraine seized more territory from Russia in days than Russia seized from Ukraine in a year.
• Ukraine has cut off supply roads, destroyed a couple of vital bridges, captured an ammunition depot and taken hundreds of Russian prisoners of war.
• Ukraine has created its own ‘buffer zone’, protecting Ukrainian civilians from Russian bombs.
• An overlooked feature of this incursion is the combined arms element. Ukraine has gained valuable experience and has shown that it can coordinate electronic warfare, air support, tanks, transport, artillery, etc.
• The incursion has unbalanced the Kremlin. There may be more surprises in store. We don’t know, but nor does Vlad, especially given that subordinates give the leader bum advice because they fear to anger the great man.
• Russian leadership will need to recalibrate its response. That will take time and could well detract from operations in the south.
• Labelling the incursion as a mere ‘PR exercise’ fails to understand the important role the incursion is playing in keeping sponsors on side, which in turn underpins the survival of the state.
Some may dismiss some of these gains as ‘copium’, but morale and fighting spirit are important factors in a population’s ability to withstand privation.
Posted by: Mr B | Aug 23 2024 0:37 utc | 263
watcher | Aug 23 2024 0:03 utc | 275
That reminds me, Russia setting up a new force for what is now the Finland Nato front. I guess some of the recruited would have gone into that.
Another number I saw this morning in my reading was the from the Ukrainian – They are complaining because troop numbers along that front are four to one in Russia’s favor plus all their ammo is going to the Kursk front now.
Still whichever way its looked, Russia has the numbers required, but instead of sending them to the Kursk front, Russia is willing to evacuated civilians and if necessary concede ground rather than send more troops there.
The question is why, and its certainly not because the Russians are stupid.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 0:44 utc | 264
So there you have it. A very well planned operation which has stymied the Russians for 2 weeks. Yes, Russia is battling and blocking *SOME* of the northern AFU spearheads, but the big salient mouth itself is still wide open AND IN FACT GROWING TO THE WEST. We friends of Russia need to better acknowledge the many levels of Clever which the West have pulled off here — despite knowing it will eventually peter out and die.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 21:07 utc | 231
So according to their plan the AFU can continue to pour resources into an area that has no real strategic value regarding stopping Russians in Donbass, and can be contained in an area which is sparsely populated hinterlands. The Kursk battlefield becomes a war of attrition, and who is winning that war? Judging by the number of AFU military vehicles destroyed, it sure looks like Russia has the upper hand. Once again, Ukraine wins some battles but loses the war. It’s like the dog that caught the car. Now what?
Posted by: Mike R | Aug 23 2024 0:54 utc | 265
This is some weird shit:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/aug/22/what-ukraine-incursion-into-russia-means-for-the-war-video-explainer
The graphics look like something out of “dad’s army”.
(Anyone remember that?)
Posted by: KingCobra | Aug 23 2024 1:16 utc | 267
I agree that the Kursk incursion is destined to be stamped out, and is thus a failure in that it will not result in a permanent Ukrainian occupation of Russia.
Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Aug 23 2024 1:08 utc | 283
A permanent Ukrainian occupation of Russia? Nigga, please! Are you on that stuff? Look at the scoreboard, motherfucker?
How much they pay you to do this, prostitute? How much, bitch?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 23 2024 1:19 utc | 268
“How much more precarious does it make Putin when everyone with eyes can see that this grandpa is not up for the task of a large war?”
Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Aug 23 2024 1:08 utc | 283
Oh so now you make it another “hate the boomer” thing? I don’t think you recognize that Putin is popular in Russia because his leadership helped bring them back from despair after the Yeltsin years.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 1:21 utc | 269
Has Ukraine surrendered yet?
Posted by: Fred | Aug 23 2024 1:22 utc | 289
Exactly. Chessman, listen. That’s what you should be analyzing. When will your retarded Ukies be vanquished? That is the question.
Nato, bring it! Either Russia/China triumphs as material reality and history demands or we all die in hellfire. Thems the only two options.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 23 2024 1:26 utc | 271
@all, don’t trash the threads by feeding the trolls.
I went to read back through the thread to where I left off last night and it was just swamped in shit. A complete waste of time.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 1:31 utc | 272
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 0:44 utc | 281
Piss off troll
Posted by: Shoigu4evah | Aug 23 2024 1:19 utc | 286
I see you too, bitch. Don’t tell Peter shit. He knows what the fuck he’s talking about and he speaks from conscience, not on behalf of the imperial rapists like you and Chesstard.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 23 2024 1:31 utc | 273
If Russia is lucky. 1 year?
Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Aug 23 2024 1:08 utc | 283
Is that your estimate at how long it will take the Russia forces to get Ukrainian forces out of Kursk? Do you also expect Kursk to be totally destroyed at that point?
I’m thinking they will have to destroy a lot of homes and buildings because that is what Ukrainian forces are using for now. If Russia doesn’t hurry Ukraine will build bunkers and stronger defenses and it will be much harder.
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 23 2024 1:34 utc | 274
Ahenobarbus | Aug 23 2024 1:31 utc | 293
Thats a sockpuppet that just sits and watches the threads you are arguing with. ignor.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 1:34 utc | 275
Nato, bring it! Either Russia/China triumphs as material reality and history demands or we all die in hellfire. Thems the only two options.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 23 2024 1:26 utc | 290
China is not an ally of Russia and not helping Russia at all. China is too concerned with its exports to US, Europe, Australia, etc. People say Ukraine is getting drones and drone parts from China, from AliExpress even.
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 23 2024 1:37 utc | 276
Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 0:44 utc | 281
…instead of sending them to the Kursk front, Russia is willing to evacuated civilians and if necessary concede ground rather than send more troops there.
The question is why…
While the Brit military geniuses are focused on *humiliating* Putin, triggering a muscle-memory invasion of Kursk…. Russia is busy taking all of Donbass, chewing off increasingly larger chunks each week.
Win Donbass and Russia wins the sloSMO. And ensures security for Crimea.
Allow themselves to be distracted with Kursk, and they snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Kursk is a failure for Russia.. failure of intel and or proactive response. Seeing Russian citizens captured and indiscriminately killed is a failure. The military is grappling with a formidable onslaught from the ukieNATO men and machines.
It’s a tough theatre, but Russia will prevail, and Ukraine will suffer a more rapid defeat.
The Russians know Kursk (while a humiliation) is a blimp in a now decade-long (in the latest iteration) war with U$NATO using its Ukraine proxy.
The Brit Borg Kursk planners fail to understand how well informed the Russian citizenry is… they can access western msm and see for themselves the anti Russian vitriol.
Sure, they may well be furious at Putin -and the military biguns – for the Kursk failure. But they understand it in context of the century-long existential conflict with the “anglosaxons”.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2024 1:43 utc | 277
Posted by: Shoigu4evah | Aug 23 2024 1:37 utc | 298
Piss off troll
Posted by: BitcyTichyTheTrufus | Aug 23 2024 1:45 utc | 278
Let’s not go right back to the “piss off troll” stuff. It degrades the conversation. Fight fire with fire.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 1:46 utc | 280
And apparently after their psy-op was thrown into the open the trolls are back in full-retard mode
Never go full retard boys…
Hope you’re enjoying some harmless provocations.
Things to hold and cherish… dombass fortresses are falling
Kursk is going nowhere
sooner or later the kursk lid will be closed
No other axis are working
Meat will run out
It’s shitty to be in your shoes
Suck a horse’s cock, might fill your needs. Guess what, you’d need almost 50.000 recruits per month, you barely get 50.000 without raiding the kindergarden.
Sucks to be you!
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 23 2024 1:50 utc | 281
Chessmaster may be a “troll” but at least I can read the posts without becoming enraged. What is much worse is the poster called “Truthiness”. Pure dishonesty.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 1:52 utc | 282
I agree with that especial in fight against the Anglo Saxons.
This Kursk offensive, Nato are willing to burn the better troops and much equipment so an act of desperation.
The upcoming election when the globalist faction, or the Loyalists as Ehret call them will likely lose the whitehouse to the realist nationalist faction who want to dump Europe and the war on Russia and focus on China and Iran
Boris Johnson publicly calling for US to allow US weapons to be used to strike deep into Russia.
The loyalist faction – fronted by Dementia Joe telling the nuke subs to be ready for a three front war…
An act of desperation to try and get the US not on a larger war while the now minority loyalist faction in the US still holds the whitehouse…?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 1:56 utc | 283
Fight fire with fire.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 1:46 utc | 303
Fight bullshit with bull more like it. No offence to you wisco but best not to feed the trolls or the threads just denigrate into kiddies Bigus Dickus type to and fro.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:00 utc | 284
Username hijacker operating again.
Not me. Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 1:50 utc | 305
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:03 utc | 285
To #283, Chessmaster: “But for fuck’s sake, what have we come to?”… Who is “we?”
Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 23 2024 2:03 utc | 286
MiniMo | Aug 23 2024 1:34 utc | 295
If Russia doesn’t hurry Ukraine will build bunkers and stronger defenses and it will be much harder.
Lol.,no. Kursk adventureers are under constant aerial surveillance. They have to get heavy equipment in and get to use it. Nope!
Heavy equipment is even more scarce than IFV and tacticals. Ukraine is facing a huge logistics nightmare in Kursk, and it will defeat them as much as Russian munitions.
NAFO enjoyed orgastic exuberance when Russia withdrew from Kharkov. But it was the correct military decision at the time.
Ukraine won’t hold Kursk anymore than it could hold the shitty mudflats beside the Antonivsky bridge.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2024 2:04 utc | 287
Honestly the copium from those who think that Putin or the Russian government will fall is amazing after all this time. Putin is NOT Lettuce Lizz or Bozo the Clown or Ridiculous Rishi or Maybe May. That option faded about 2 years ago, if it ever existed.
I suggest you read Karlofi’s latest. detailed planning on how to manage evacuation of residents. Money check, accommodation check, meals check, hospitals check, kindergartens check, schools check. The systems must already have been in place to manage it. They seemed to be expecting mass evacuation, just not quite sure where.
Now generally I do not buy the “it was a trap” idea, but rather that it was an incursion expected somewhere, just not sure where. The only question i have, is that there was a demining operation in Kursk. The most likely explanation is that they intended to enter Ukraine via that route and somehow the Ukrainians/Brits got wind of it. I guess it is fairly hardc to hide such an operation.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 23 2024 2:07 utc | 288
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:00 utc | 308
All I’m saying is that Chessmaster argues some decent points from the other side, but if you want a real troll target it is “thruthiness”. I know, they all change their names easily.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 2:18 utc | 289
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 2:18 utc | 314
Yes I think it is useful to read Chessmaster and a few others. Learn what the thinking is. It is the silly nasty trolls that I am impatient with and those that are repetetive
Posted by: watcher | Aug 23 2024 2:20 utc | 290
Wisco | Aug 23 2024 2:18 utc | 314
In the US all the alternative media it now under heavy attack. The Judge, Ritter and many more.
Its now becoming imperative here in the west to control the narrative. You need to get an understanding of psychological warfare. Also The piece Tom Q linked a few time on how to disrupt/destroy forums.
These sockpuppet and name hijackers who only purpose is to sit and watch the thread for me now, they are not there by accident.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:24 utc | 291
watcher | Aug 23 2024 2:07 utc | 313 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 23 2024 2:30 utc | 292
…there was a demining operation in Kursk. …the Ukrainians/Brits got wind of it…
IMVHO. There was fuckery within the Russian military.
Behind the scenes, some senior senior Russian generals and Big Wigs are being arrested for bribery. There’s been quite the scandal of who and how many have fists in the cookie jar. [how can shoigu not have known? §| Is shoigu corrupt?/ *rumours have swirled for years*. … Shoigu got kicked upstairs recently. … Putin has kept him very close… “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”???. Kursk was a Russian fuckup. Who is responsible?]
Posted by: watcher | Aug 23 2024 2:20 utc | 315
Anyone who uses the CIA-MSM term “conspiracy theorist” in a denigrative and derogatory way is dishonest and is in fact a troll. Period.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 2:31 utc | 293
Chessmaster Z | Aug 22 2024 16:25 utc | 123
Being in the US it does not matter what you think about the Russian government. Russia cares less what you think about their generals than Lincoln would have cared what a dirt farmer in Alabama thought. Looking there for corruption and incompetence you are looking on the wrong side of the world. Just go to your local council meeting, courts or mayor’s office and it’s all over the place. Even they will not give a crap if you point it out to them. With enough time and effort you can at least annoy them. While the MIC is getting it’s goods turned to scrap in Ukraine you can fight the corruption at home.
I suspect that instead of chess if such an effort was made it would look like Fight Club, but along the lines of the South Park’s remake of the They Live fight.
Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 23 2024 2:33 utc | 294
Wisco
This can all be traced back to Parries Perception Management articles and the media control that Reagan initiated. Then it was Print, TV, and Radio. Now it is internet as well.
I assume contoling the narrative in social media kicked off in a big way around 2016 with western military’s setting up troll factories to operate on social media. It was the pentagon that ran the social media psychological warfare against the Philippines to prevent them using the Chinese covid vaccine.
All western military’s and spook agencies will be operating troll factories, and the are trained in psycological warfare.
Sure we are largely immune to it, especially those in the age group most of us are, but its about making the comment section a waste of time for anyone to read.
A lot of the names from prior to the SMO no longer or very rarely comment here now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:36 utc | 295
“These sockpuppet and name hijackers who only purpose is to sit and watch the thread for me now, they are not there by accident.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:24 utc | 316
I know. But I think you should be more careful in your accusations. You are on hair-trigger.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 23 2024 2:37 utc | 296
Heyman_101
@SU_57R
🇷🇺🇺🇦 There is a video floating around Russian telegram channels showing a KIA unit of Ukranian servicemen in the Kursk region, thrown into some sort of hole in the ground.
They claim this is being done so that the soldiers can be classified as missing, and the government won’t have to pay a benefit to the families.
Sickening.
Quite some time ago, I saw a video where this was happening on one of the Ukraine fronts. Bodies had been stacked in a large pit in a forest and a farm tractor with frontend loader was filling it in.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:48 utc | 297
WarGonzo
Putin held a meeting on the situation in the border areas.
At a meeting on the situation in the regions of the Russian Federation bordering Ukraine with the President of Russia, regional governors with the participation of Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov announced a number of completed and necessary measures to stabilize the situation:
– 115 thousand people have already been evacuated from the border areas, but about 20 thousand people still remain in the resettlement zone
– Some schoolchildren in the regions bordering Ukraine will be transferred to distance learning – Manturov
– The government will additionally allocate 1.9 billion rubles to the Ministry of Emergency Situations in connection with the situation in the border region
– The President supported the automatic payment of 15 thousand rubles for residents who left the combat zone. More than 41 thousand residents of the Kursk region who suffered due to attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces received various payments. In addition, more than 200 certificates for resettlement were issued in the Kursk region
– A decision was made to create a centralized regional emergency service in the Kursk region
– The Governor of the Bryansk region reported to Putin that the situation at the site of the military clash with the Ukrainian DRG had been stabilized, and exercises had been conducted in 6 border regions in case emergency situation
– Putin supported the idea of financing territorial defense in the Bryansk region from the federal budget
– The authorities of the Belgorod region plan to send children from the border region to other regions to study in schools, said Governor
truthi: What a total shit fight. It’s pathetic. Zero border defense against an enemy you’re currently at war with. Russia is a fucking joke.
Posted by: truthiness | Aug 23 2024 2:51 utc | 298
Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:36 utc | 320 and Wisco and the many others seeing Paid PsyOps trolls behind every tree. You’re fucking idiots. Schizophrenic / paranoid delusional psychos one and all. Totally bat shot crazy people no longer connected to the real world. Dumb fucking Morons one and all and abusive fucking trolls and SPAMMERS trying to dominate the whole forum.
Fuck Off You Insane Cunts.
Posted by: truthiness | Aug 23 2024 2:56 utc | 299
Pete explains how fucking insane and fucking dumb he is:
All western military’s and spook agencies will be operating troll factories, and the are trained in psycological warfare.
Sure we are largely immune to it, especially those in the age group most of us are, but its about making the comment section a waste of time for anyone to read.
A lot of the names from prior to the SMO no longer or very rarely comment here now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 23 2024 2:36 utc | 320
Because of cunts like you and Bernard being a totally useless incompetent manager and moderator.
Everyone from the past have left because of ABUSIVE PSYCHO CUNTS like you Peter and CUNTS like Bernard Banning people who never deserved it.
So FUCK YOU both. You’re both idiot losers. This place is a sewer run buy Giant Turds
Posted by: truthiness | Aug 23 2024 3:02 utc | 300