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August 18, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-197

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Milites | Aug 19 2024 17:16 utc | 405
“a Little-Saturn style operation, attempting to trap the entire Ukrainian Kursk incursion force”
It would be great, but I’m not holding my breath, as I’ve been hearing about kettles and kesseln since before Artemovsk/Bakhmut fell 15 months ago. I was hoping Chasov Yar would soon follow, but the line seems to be stuck thereabouts.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 19 2024 17:25 utc | 401

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-9330389
“New York is disappearing”
The Donetsk Oblast town to be renamed to Novgorodskoye after being (re?)captured by the Russians.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 19 2024 17:35 utc | 402

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit.
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2024 4:03 utc | 254
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Hypocrite! You are a drummer, are you not?!

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 19 2024 17:39 utc | 403

I simply don’t agree with the response taken. It’s time to bury Ukraine. Set a precedent. Because of their weak sauce response, they can expect the long range missiles and F-16 long range capabilities to engage wholeheartedly.
More Russian lives will be lost.
Containment in Ukraine was one thing.
Some “hit and run” excursions, tolerable.
But Russia just showed all of NATO… we’re weak sauce, come get us. And they will.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2024 17:20 utc | 406
What do you expect from Russia?
Prior to the SMO Russia’s defence budget was 10% of the USA’s let alone NATO’s.
If you account for the fact that a dollar goes further in Russia you come up with a figure that is just about enough for Russia’s strategic defence with NOTHING left for expeditionary warfare.
Russia ALWAYS needs to maintain a force to provide, nuclear deterrence on land, sea and air, air/ missile defence across their massive territory and a land force to defend against the slim chance of a NATO land invasion. They had missile stocks and ammo to defend their nation … not to turn Ukraine into a smoking crater with conventional weapons. They are mortal not gods.
In 2022 they attacked with a force of around 100,000 which was enough to create a diversion around Kiev while they created a land bridge / buffer around Ukraine. They’ve since built that force up to around 700,000 and are making tanks and missiles as fast as they can but NATO has massed forces on Russia’s borders, are continually on manuevers somewhere on the front and is a much greater risk to the Russians today that they were even in 2022. They don’t want to be caught with their pants down in Ukraine if NATO decides to attack St Petersburg.
I can think of a few reasons why Russia should go slow in this SMO but the main reason is if they commit too deeply or expend too many missiles or other ammo/ resources in Ukraine they are vulnerable to an attack by NATO.
Also the faster they move the more casualties they incur. If they can kill or force Ukrainians to retreat from defended areas and just walk into them instead of fighting for them then they don’t have to pay death benefits to the dead soldiers families or train a replacement. If the Russians are going slow it’s because they have that luxury … it’s only when you are under pressure and desperate that you have to hurry, take chances and incure casualties.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 19 2024 17:51 utc | 404

It’s time to bury Ukraine

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2024 17:20 utc | 406
I’ve never understood this mindset, this rush to “finish it now”, this (almost pathological) Western impatience. Ukraine is burying itself (with the help of the legendary Russian shovels of course!).
Who is going to be buying Ukrainian bonds in the future? Answer: nobody with a fiduciary duty of care.
The NBU is closely shepherding the hryvnia exchange rate. They dare not let it float freely, as “float” will be the last thing it does. this has been at the cost of some 40% of the reserves held in the central bank in January 2022.
Now, if a nobody like me can do some basic financial research and see that Ukraine is fooked, you can bet that Russia is doing far more detailed analysis and knows much better than me the real economic and financial state that Ukraine is in.
I know financial and economic stuff is not nearly as glamorous or exciting as big arrows on maps, or videos of explosions, but believe me, it will have a profound effect on the progress and outcome.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:15 utc | 405

Addendum: it would not surprise me at all to learn that Russian agents inside Ukraine are agitating about the cost of living, shortages and unavailability and “Look at those rich fuckers in Kiev, partying away while we don’t have electricity 16 hours a day”.
The SMO is multi-pronged and not just about big arrows and loud explosions.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:26 utc | 406

I’ve never understood this mindset, this rush to “finish it now”, this (almost pathological) Western impatience.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:15 utc | 411
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Emotionally weak people who cannot think strategically. The Western culture and “education” system is designed to produce this sort of person.
Easy to rule muppets who think that everything is a video game, rather than thinking, logical, pragmatic, and informed people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 18:53 utc | 407

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:15 utc | 411
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 18:53 utc | 413
The longer a war goes on, the more likely ‘bad’ things will happen. There is a cost to Russia every day this war continues. This cost if both in lives and money.
If Russia had toppled the Ukrainian government in February 2022 after a few days of war, the West would be back trading with Russia by now like nothing had happened.
Instead there are British and German tanks in Russia.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 19 2024 19:05 utc | 408

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 18:53 utc | 413
Yes to all of that. Of course, the last thing our “great and good” want is people thinking in a logical, pragmatic, and informed way, because if that happened, some uncomfortable (for the “great and good”) questions will be asked. I get the sense from your posts that you already know this though, so apologies if I’ve re-stated “the bleeding obvious”.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 19:12 utc | 409

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 18:53 utc | 413
100%

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 19 2024 19:14 utc | 410

If Russia had toppled the Ukrainian government in February 2022 after a few days of war, the West would be back trading with Russia by now like nothing had happened.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 19 2024 19:05 utc | 414
Certainly not, because then they would come up with something else to destroy the independent Russian nation state. Because together with China, it is at least as annoying for them as the German Reich once was.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 19 2024 19:15 utc | 411

Instead there are British and German tanks burning to a hulk in Russia.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 19 2024 19:05 utc | 414
There, fixed it for you…
But snide aside, do you think that the West is in a better financial position than Russia to withstand the costs of a prolonged campaign, and if so, why?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 19:17 utc | 412

Something that puzzles and worries me . . . Western “leaders” have all apparently lost their fear of nuclear war. The concept of “Mutual Assured Destruction” seems to have disappeared from the feeble minds that command Germany, France, Poland, the Baltic States, and even the United States.
I suppose one explanation for this is found in the incredible amount of hubris and ignorance that has led these fools to conclude that “Russia will back down” regardless of whatever atrocity the West commits. But this goes beyond idiocy and becomes criminally insane as the West continues to double-down in their quest to “defeat Russia on the battlefield”, as this path inevitably leads to nuclear war.
Regardless of whether Russia goes slow or fast, it won’t matter if the US/NATO won’t admit defeat.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 19 2024 19:22 utc | 413

@Posted by: Ново З | Aug 19 2024 16:53 utc | 399
Did Xi Jinping give a timeframe for those changes?

Posted by: Roger | Aug 19 2024 19:32 utc | 414

******Something that puzzles and worries me . . . Western “leaders” have all apparently lost their fear of nuclear war. The concept of “Mutual Assured Destruction” ******
Perimetr @ 419
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I think the answer may be very simple. They have become depopulationists like bill gates and wef crowd.

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 19:32 utc | 415

Perimetr | Aug 19 2024 19:22 utc | 419
There is a possible answer to the lack of fear.
Many moons ago, during the last phases of the cold war, (25-30 years ago?) I followed someone who was reporting sounds of systematic drilling etc. under various English villages. Went on for a long time. It is conceivable that those extensive Bunkers (if that is what they were), are still available for short term tenants.
The US also has extensive underground fortifications apparently.
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Unfortunately, the NWO idea of a WWIII or WWIV with only about 1 billion survivors (or a couple of million?) out of the eight or nine billion that we are nowadays, may well form the base of a potential use of nukes, if they have somewhere they think they can hide.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 19 2024 19:35 utc | 416

Something that puzzles and worries me . . . Western “leaders” have all apparently lost their fear of nuclear war. The concept of “Mutual Assured Destruction” seems to have disappeared from the feeble minds that command Germany, France, Poland, the Baltic States, and even the United States.
Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 19 2024 19:22 utc | 419
I think when push comes to shove POTUS has no power to launch a nuclear war and neither does Putin … although in Putins case I’ll bet the military actually hold his opinion in high regard.
That decision will be up to the military / shareholders in USA inc. The congress and senate are owned by the shareholders and the shareholders ain’t the voting public.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 19 2024 19:35 utc | 417

HB_Norica | Aug 19 2024 19:35 utc | 423
More factors come into than pure military. In Russia I think it would be the president that makes the decision, but it would also be after meeting with security council and military chiefs to get their opinions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 19:44 utc | 418

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 19 2024 19:05 utc | 414
The 1980 Moscow Olympic games were boycotted by the USA and 65 other countries, because of the Afghan War.
In the 2024 Paris Olympic games Russia was sanctioned, because of the Ukraine war.
There is a point where you just stop trying.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 19 2024 20:01 utc | 419

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that Syrsky hides the level of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk operation, since this is a personal initiative of Zelensky, and the fate of the Commander-in-Chief depends on its implementation. The Office of the President requires the General Staff to step up its attack on Russian territories before the US election in order to use this case for bidding in the negotiation process.
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the OP said that the President’s Office received information from the SBU about the preparation of an information campaign against Zelensky by Poroshenko’s technologists/Yermak, in which the Kursk operation will be relayed as a deliberate drain of the Donbass to Russia. Poroshenko’s headquarters has already received data on large losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk region and knows about the difficulties of conducting the operation, what it will cost the forces and resources of our army, which is why they want to use the failure of the attack on Russian territories as a deliberate drain of the best reserves/equipment under open enemy fire. https://t.me/s/rezident_ua

On the other fronts, from what I could make out, it was mainly low grade untrained cannon fodder taking big casualties. For the Kursk adventure, all the trained and mostly experienced combat units have been thrown in, and out in the open and attacking, it is these best units taking very heavy casualties.
On top of that is the amount of scarce equipment that has been thrown into the attack and destroyed.
Casualties and losses will likely settle down as that front stabilizes but at the moment they are still attacking at the western end.
The Ukie channels also mention a second attack to the north once certain goals are reached in this phase so have wait and see what eventuates.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:05 utc | 420

Transnistria

Legitimate
#layout #moldavskeyes
The Ukrainian media began to warm up the Transnistrian case, saying that the Moldovans themselves are asking Kiev to resolve this issue.
We have already written that Zelensky will only decide to open the Transdniestrian case out of agony, when everything will be bad and you need to go all in to draw Moldova and Romania into the war, to try to start a war between the Russian Federation and NATO, and we also assume that at this moment something can happen that has been talked about for a long time However, Belarus will enter the game and then Ukraine will find itself in a very difficult situation. NATO may not start fighting, but TNW will already fly over Ukraine and Moldova, which will mean a catastrophe for the Ukrainian people.
Is Zelensky ready to completely risk the life of the entire country and become an aggressor instead of a “victim”?
Time will show.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:09 utc | 421

I would anticipate an attack in the north rather than Crimea. It’s the area that going be the most lightly defended.
And Remember Lukashenko mentioned 120k Nazis massed on his border.
As for nukes, I am not against them as it may be the only way to remove western evil from this planet. We may not survive but those who do may have descendants who finally see some kind of justice in the world.
Those who hold China up as an example of slow and steady – they’ve never won anything in their lives. They’ve suffered not only a century of humiliation but they’ve also had millennia of irrelevance globally. And at this point they are being cornered by the west slowly – see how they refuse to allow the Chinese to export anything other than low level trinkets to them for their consumption lest they gain a societal foothold via more advanced developments.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2024 20:22 utc | 422

Night Tripper | Aug 19 2024 20:22 utc | 428
Most very old cultures/nations have been up and down throughout history. Communist China – a peasant army armed with little more that rifles drove the ‘mighty US military away from its borders and back down through Korea to the starting point.
That determination is still there, only now they are far more high tech and well armed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:32 utc | 423

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:32 utc | 429
I believe the Chinese have been played and successfully cornered by western globalist interests. Effectively they’ve scammed the Chinese via exploiting their desire to do business/earn money.
There is evidence to support that view, obviously you think otherwise.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2024 20:38 utc | 424

China announced Chinese Premier Li Qiang’s crucial visit to Russia & Belarus
Putin’s Biggest Sign Of Action Soon, China’s Sudden Move After Belarus NATO Fears Kursk Revenge?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2024 20:47 utc | 425

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:32 utc | 429
But less flexible at the tactical and operational level. The real key to their success in Korea was their low-level command flexibility designed to compensate for their lack of equipment, same as the Germans pre-WW2. Losing is often the best component in building an effective army, success often brings its own set of unique issues and problems.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:47 utc | 426

I believe the Chinese have been played and successfully cornered by western globalist interests.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2024 20:38 utc | 430
Or has China successfully enveloped the west in an economic bear hug bring prosperity to the Chinese people. For many western nations, cutting off trade with China will be somewhat devastating to their economies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:50 utc | 427

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:05 utc | 426
Once 1GTA cracked the defensive line the individual brigade structure and territorial units were always going to struggle. There are some Veteran stiffing units but all they can do is slow the push, not stop it.
As I said before, an Army formation using its divisions v’s individual brigades, even combines is always at a disadvantage in the combat power it can deploy. Defence lines helped mitigate this disparity, but the danger was always going to be what happens when they break through the crust.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:54 utc | 428

Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:47 utc | 432
If it were to come to a direct shooting war with US, I think China would take a relatively high level of casualties, but it has the numbers, the manufacturing and I think the culture to see it through.
Due to the constantly increasing prosperity, the Chinese people in general have a very high opinion of their government, and like with the covid outbreak, the entire country can move very fast and in unison.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:56 utc | 429

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 19 2024 17:25 utc | 407
My post was to show how intelligence can show two vastly diverging pictures of what is, and what might happen next. The only reason I might see Russia going for an aggressive solution is that footage of hundreds of Ukrainian prisoners captured and piles of smashed equipment would be a powerful statement, as to the reality of the conflict (side-stepping the West’s PR campaign) whilst dealing a potentially mortal blow to Ukrainian morale.
Anyway, I think the reality of the Kursk situation will be signalled by the speed of 1GTA’s Donbas offensive. If they take an operational pause, before moving on Pokrovsk, then I’d be worried if I was a Ukrainian commander, and vice versa if they don’t.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 21:03 utc | 430

@ Night Tripper | Aug 19 2024 20:38 utc | 430
I believe the Chinese have been played and successfully cornered by western globalist interests. Effectively they’ve scammed the Chinese via exploiting their desire to do business/earn money. There is evidence to support that view, obviously you think otherwise.
The evidence is that China has four times as many military ships as the US, plus it owns the attention of all the nations in SE Asia, which is the most increased economy of the world, way exceeds the US in Africa investments, and more so in Central and South America, including BRICS, while the US only has the sinking West on its side with their emphasis on military activities instead of economies.
Currently China (four thousand years) is going up against Philippines (80 years a country) in the South CHINA Sea. Guess who will win.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 19 2024 21:30 utc | 431

I’mthe contarian here and say this war has nothing to do with Minsk, Nato, Dombas, Ukrainian nationality, Nazi or historic Russia. (Apologies ahead to those that had heard this before). It has to do with getting Europe off Russia oil and gas so the EU countries will buy oil and gas from Israeli. Its estimated israel has more oil in the Golan Heights than Saudi Arabia and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas off its shores in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 3:21 utc | 249
I would not say nothing, after all fault lines need to be expanded(ploited), but your point is most important imo.
Some additional pieces of the not talked about puzzle would be the offshore Odessa oil and gas slated to have been developed by the west. Also the blocking of the potential Iran/Iraq/Syria pipelines (Syrian ‘revolution’).
Agree that everything else is distractive, look for the source of a conflict, money and power. There is nothing quite like petro coin to create a major, or decades long, war.

Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 19 2024 21:40 utc | 432

The real key to their success in Korea was their low-level command flexibility….
Milites 432
The real key to their success in Korea was their willingness to sacrifice – just like in Vietnam. The West cannot cope with losses, it knows that and is trying to compensate for this shortcoming with modern technology, but the others now have that too. Doesn’t look good for the future.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 19 2024 21:40 utc | 433

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 19 2024 21:40 utc | 439
Are we talking in terms of demographic realities or cultural factors? The West do not have the populations to engage in the horrendously wasteful practices of the two nations discussed. Heck, if even Giap is being internally criticised for his human wave attacks at Dien bien Phu, you know it’s bad. Same with Hamburger Hill, 10-15:1 casualty rates are totally unsustainable for Western countries, demographically and politically. Ukraine can only accept them because it is a dictatorship, a functioning democracy would have sued for peace along time ago (and that goes for the Western backers, who are puppet democracies).
Militarily, the Chinese adaptations to be outgunned was to perfect the concept of the WW2’s German mission based orders (Auftragstaktik) with highly aggressive tactical manoeuvre, hence the massive casualties.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 21:55 utc | 434

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 20:56 utc | 435
In the maritime arena they’d loose most of their shiny ships in days. On the ground numbers would probably tell far more than other arenas. In the air, same fate as the navy, but more chance of damaging US counterparts. Missiles would be a definite advantage, due to the disparity in numbers. Don’t know what their NBC capabilities are.
This is not even considering the sneaky-beaky stuff, caper, space etc. I think it would probably end up like the Powers Boothe line in the film Red Dawn.
Finally, the PLA is an untested commodity and its weapons performance’s are largely theoretical, so that would also affect the outcome, by how much is anyone’s guess dependent on the bias/knowledge base you approach the subject with.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 22:05 utc | 435

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 3:21 utc | 249
The water reservoir in the Golan is just as important.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 22:07 utc | 436

Milites | Aug 19 2024 22:05 utc | 441
Untested weapons is and issue. On the other side of that is both their space program which shows the know how to successfully build high tech equipment, Plus Russian input, especially in the last few years.
On the naval side, I am assuming US still holds a good lead in submarine tech, but what we don’t know is where China is at with ASW.
I know some years back, China was doing R&D on space based submarine detection. I assume with tech transfers, China would at least have Russian grade ASW, but detection is the big thing and when China uses a lot of resources to solve a problem – STEM, funding ect, they can usually solve it.
For China, I think the biggest problem may be US land based missiles throughout the Asia pacific. But then also we see the joint China Russian patrols that are more or less in China’s domain rather than Russia’s so I think a war against China will be a war against both Russia and China.
But its hard to know which way US will go in the war against China – create conflict in the region and ‘lead from behind’ ie proxy war, or direct conflict.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 22:29 utc | 437

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 22:29 utc | 443
I don’t think Russia would weep too much if the two mutually damaged each other. Putin’s a pragmatist, China offers things he needs, ditto China (wonder how many senior PLA commanders have ‘visited a Russian TOC, for ‘hands on experience’, of fighting the West., esp the ISR).
As with anything there have to be numerous caveats, eg Russian electronics and computer technology was so far behind the West that they didn’t really bother with passive sonar; however, they invested heavily in hydrodynamic sensors that tracked the displaced water of a submerged sub hull and the disturbed wake left by its propellers. Whilst not as effective, it did allow a USN Boomer to be tracked, possibly more than once, which the West never thought they could do. So perhaps either side has hidden capabilities that might prove game changers in a ‘come-as-you-are’ war.
One thing’s for sure, both the US and China do not want a conflict, at least not now! Too much to loose, too little gain.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 23:26 utc | 438

Have western leaders lost their fear of nuclear weapons because their allegiance is to their globalist/occult group, and not the nations they ostensibly represent?
Do western leaders assume that in the event of a nuclear war, they will retire safely to their underground facilities. Since their true allegiance is with other globalist/occult elites, they wouldn’t give a rat’s ass for the deaths of the peons they control – that means you. Kind of makes the TV series Fallout hit a little harder.
The globalist elites may have miscalculated though. Apparently most major countries have facilities which perform ground penetrating mapping of anywhere in the world. One U.S. facility in Alaska (HAARP) produced documents showing the facility could map smuggling tunnels along the U.S.-Mexico border about twenty years ago.
This suggests it, and similar facilities in other countries could map the underground bunkers the globalist elites plan to hide in. There have also been hints coming out of Russia that not every nuclear weapon has a government/national target. I took that to mean the Russians know who in the West is pulling the strings and the Russians don’t intend for them to escape unscathed in the event of a nuclear war.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 19 2024 23:28 utc | 439

In the event of thermonuclear war, few of the elites would be able to access their bunkers in a timely manner.
Of course, they might be stupid or foolish enough to think otherwise.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 19 2024 23:32 utc | 440

The water reservoir in the Golan is just as important.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 22:07 utc | 442
Yes it is. Apparently the Golan water is necessary both for agriculture and for fracking and oil recovery there.
Time will tell what it is to be used for.

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 23:47 utc | 441

Milites | Aug 19 2024 23:26 utc | 444
Always a bit harder to pick the future based on our very limited knowledge of what the main player keep secret.
With the US, I look at it as two main factions – the globalists and the realists. The globalists are dangerous because they are more or less ideological crazies.
The realists are dangerous more in the terms of cold war warriors. Much smarter. Look at US manufacturing – Boeing, the exceptionally poor quality of its aircraft now, space taxi stranded at the space station.
Naval shipbuilding – many problems there.
US is similar nearly across the board in the US. The one standout is the Musk companies. Starlink is 30% pentagon and I suspect Space X would be similar.
I expect the realists to come to power at the next election fronted by Trump. Their target is the Chinese economy so if that occurs I expect US to pretty much pull out of the war against Russia and concentrate on China. I assume that will commence with some event so that US can force the western world into sanctioning China.
If the US can initiate conflicts in the Asia pacific region, that would/may put a big damper on trade and shipping, the bulk of which is China oriented and would greatly damage the economies of all countries in this region.
Here in Australia, the US military has moved into the north in a big way and does not bode well.
The 2014 Rand Corp piece – “Thinking through the unthinkable – War with China” is getting old now, but it was about a naval siege of China, cutting off its seaborne trade. In that, they said it would get more and more costly for the US each year, 2025 the cut out year when US could still fight a war with China but it would be quite costly and after 2025 China would be to strong militarily to defeat. But in that swtrategy, Rand Corp would capitulate rather than going nuclear’
Trump pulling out of the intermediate range missile treaty – I believe that was very much about ringing China with nuclear missiles and I assume they are at, or soon will be at US bases in northern Australia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 0:03 utc | 442

If Russia had toppled the Ukrainian government in February 2022 after a few days of war, the West would be back trading with Russia by now like nothing had happened.
Instead there are British and German tanks in Russia.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 19 2024 19:05 utc | 414
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Your comment is either ignorant or naive.
You do not seem to know any of the history between the West and Russia, since the end of WW2.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 20 2024 0:03 utc | 443

To follow up on that incredibly childish comment (Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 19 2024 19:05 utc | 414)
The goal is not to trade with the West. I was reading this morning that over 100 countries are ready to join the BRICs replacement for SWIFT. Everyone wants to get out from under the American sanctions boot.
If Russia didn’t get sanctioned, the multi-nodal world wouldn’t be coming online so quickly. Countries wouldn’t be lining up to join BRICs. Russia wouldn’t have a booming economy as Europe flirts with economic collapse.
Soft people see the tanks and get scared or ashamed or some other weak expression of emotion. The Russians, Chinese, and Iranians are willing to endure the hard things to make a better future for their people. The average Westerner cannot begin to understand the mindset behind the young children of Gaza braving death to throw rocks in defiance at their concentration camp guards. Biologically they are the same species. Spiritually they couldn’t be more different.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 20 2024 0:19 utc | 444

malenkov @ 446

In the event of thermonuclear war, few of the elites would be able to access their bunkers in a timely manner.

I’ve been around these people, they don’t even know how to buy a dozen eggs or get something dry cleaned, it’s done by the personal assistant, the cook that comes in 4 days week and fills up the fridge, or gets handed to the concierge in the lobby.
Once the pampered support system falls apart these people will just lie there in their vast incapacity and starve. As for their private security, once the bombs fly first thing those fired-from-the-police-force-for-psychological-problems, mad max thugs will do is kill their annoying oligarch boss, take his wife and daughter, find his gold stash, and crown themselves king of the fortified compound in Uruguay.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 20 2024 0:45 utc | 445

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 0:03 utc | 448
Agree, I think the globalists, or their socio-economic policies at least, will be as popular as Nazism. In five years nobody is going to volunteer the fact they believed in the Trans, eco nonsense, unless they are in the right company. Except I guess us in the UK, where our children will run the risk of being reported as potential terrorists if they don’t enthusiastically buy into the boy now girl government edict. All happily supported by people who watched V for Vendetta and supported the masked man!
So populist realism will win and the Trump direction will probably have a Reaganite span to run.
As for build quality, don’t forget, one of the first 688 boats had a section delivered that was built upside down! Boeing though is a victim of DEI and stake holder claptrap, so a vigorous cleaning of house, but do they have enough competent personnel to recover? They are only a plane crash away from failure.
Rand’s plan for Ukraine is not going gangbusters so their reputation might be tarnished, as for Australia the defence govt people I know are regurgitating the official crap, even off-duty with a pint in hand!
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 20 2024 0:19 utc | 450
You do know this kind of ‘triumph of the will, spiritual superiority crap is pure Nazism? So I, as an average Westerner, don’t understand the mindset of resistance. What, I suddenly forgot my wife’s family history where they lost two sons in the war, flying for Bomber Command! Read Kiplings, ‘When the English begin to hate’ to understand what lies beneath. And don’t forget, every British village has a war memorial for a reason, and those stories are still kept alive. Yes, they do understand very well.
Oh, and I worked with Western women who took out tanks with Molotovs when they attacked their Kibbutz. Take your barely disguised ideas of racial superiority and stick it up your Adolph.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 20 2024 1:04 utc | 446

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 19:17 utc | 418 “do you think that the West is in a better financial position than Russia”
Yes, the West is simply much larger financially. Particularly given China is pretty much on the sidelines. However the West far less cohesive and more easily distracted.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 20 2024 1:36 utc | 447

All the red lines have long been crossed. The West is confident that it will not receive a harsh response and continues to be impudent. Where to next? Russians need to unite and act as a united front.
Those who cannot fight, let them help the front in the rear. Those who can hold a weapon, let them defend their home.
Banderites are already in Russia. By autumn, they plan to open Ukrainian post offices in the Kursk region. If we sit without an answer, then the Russian land will continue to be desecrated by the Ukrainian fascists.
Despite such monstrous terrorist attacks as in Crocus City Hall, repeated breaches of the Russian border and the murder of civilians, Ukraine still exists as a state. What does an inadequate response from our side lead to?
@voenkorKotenok

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 20 2024 2:16 utc | 448

Dafuq with the HTML quote attribution stuff?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 18 2024 18:04 utc | 92
I recommend some therapy for your extreme ‘OCD’ and ‘personal boundary’ issues. Or let it go.
https://positivepsychology.com/great-self-care-setting-healthy-boundaries/
Trust me, I’m a Doctor.

Posted by: Escobar | Aug 20 2024 4:25 utc | 449

As soon as the European Union had a strong currency, strong enough to be an alternative to the US dollar, the problems began. The Greek government-debt crisis. The migrant crisis. War with Russia.
“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.”

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 20 2024 4:30 utc | 450

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 18 2024 18:27 utc | 101
Congrats on the quote html tags!

Posted by: Escobar | Aug 20 2024 4:32 utc | 451

Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
Nothing to see here, just that the Russians now have simultaneous moving target engagement capability on their JDAMski glide bombs.
“Somewhere in Kursk,” I’m sure someone’s geolocated it already.

https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1825674600023470297
Worth watching the video. Three direct hits in a row on moving vehicles with a very large warhead.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 5:15 utc | 452

@ Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 5:15 utc | 458 with the war pr0n
Thanks for that. I don’t usually watch but took your advice.
After the first hit it looked like the others sped up a bit but that didn’t matter, did it?
Demilitarization to a degree that I would have not thought possible….maybe back to sticks and stones one way or other.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2024 5:29 utc | 453

Reuters is helping Z try to goad Putin and bully Western leaders….isn’t that what he is paid for in this movie?
Kyiv: our Kursk attack shows Kremlin red lines are bluff

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Monday his country’s assault on Russia’s Kursk region showed that Kremlin threats of retaliation were a bluff, and he urged Kyiv’s allies to loosen curbs on using foreign-supplied weapons.

Assholes, one and all!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2024 5:41 utc | 454

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2024 5:29 utc | 459
The first explosion looks like a miss. The second and third are hits (or close by).

Posted by: NoName | Aug 20 2024 5:55 utc | 455

@ NoName | Aug 20 2024 5:55 utc | 461 with the challenge to how many hits in Peter AU1’s link
I went back to view it again and you are correct.
When will demilitarization be enough to stop empire aggression?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 20 2024 6:16 utc | 456

NoName | Aug 20 2024 5:55 utc | 461
You are right. I had only looked at it in the thumbnail or small screen, watched it again full screen.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 6:29 utc | 457

A six year old Guardian article. Has some sort of a sign in or cookie blocker which I can bypass so will post it in full. I also have trouble reading lengthy pieces in fine print blockquote so will not use that. With the amount of trolls that hit this site with Kursk, its best to have a good understanding of psychological operations which will be even more advance than six years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/31/british-army-facebook-warriors-77th-brigade
British army creates team of Facebook warriors
Ewen MacAskill
4–5 minutes
The British army is creating a special force of Facebook warriors, skilled in psychological operations and use of social media to engage in unconventional warfare in the information age.
The 77th Brigade, to be based in Hermitage, near Newbury, in Berkshire, will be about 1,500-strong and formed of units drawn from across the army. It will formally come into being in April.
The brigade will be responsible for what is described as non-lethal warfare. Both the Israeli and US army already engage heavily in psychological operations.
Against a background of 24-hour news, smartphones and social media, such as Facebook and Twitter, the force will attempt to control the narrative.
The 77th will include regulars and reservists and recruitment will begin in the spring. Soldiers with journalism skills and familiarity with social media are among those being sought.
An army spokesman said: “77th Brigade is being created to draw together a host of existing and developing capabilities essential to meet the challenges of modern conflict and warfare. It recognises that the actions of others in a modern battlefield can be affected in ways that are not necessarily violent.”
The move is partly a result of experience in counter-insurgency operations in Afghanistan. It can also be seen as a response to events of the last year that include Russia’s actions in Ukraine, in particular Crimea, and Islamic State’s (Isis) takeover of large swaths of Syria and Iraq.
Nato has so far been unable to find a counter to what the US and UK claim is Russia creating unrest by sending in regular troops disguised as local militia, allowing president Vladimir Putin to deny responsibility.Isis has proved adept at exploiting social media to attract fighters from around the world.
The Israel Defence Forces have pioneered state military engagement with social media, with dedicated teams operating since Operation Cast Lead, its war in Gaza in 2008-9. The IDF is active on 30 platforms – including Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and Instagram – in six languages. “It enables us to engage with an audience we otherwise wouldn’t reach,” said an Israeli army spokesman.
It has been approached by several western countries, keen to learn from its expertise.
During last summer’s war in Gaza, Operation Protective Edge, the IDF and Hamas’s military wing, the Qassam Brigades, tweeted prolifically, sometimes engaging directly with one another.
The new brigade is being named the 77th in tribute to the Chindits, the British guerrilla force led by Maj Gen Orde Wingate against the Japanese in Burma during the second world war. Wingate adopted unorthodox and controversial tactics that achieved successes completely disproportionate to the size of his forces, sending teams deep into Japanese-held territory, creating uncertainty in the Japanese high command and forcing it to alter its strategic plans.
In a nod to the Chindits, members of the 77th Brigade will have arm badges showing a mythical Burmese creature.
The aim is that the new force will prove as flexible as the Chindits in the face of the dizzying array of challenges being thrown up in the early part of this century.
The creation of 77th Brigade comes as the commander of Nato special operations headquarters, Lt Gen Marshall Webb, speaking in Washington this week, expressed concern about Russia and about Isis.
“Special operations headquarters is uniquely placed to address this,” he said. “We tend to take an indirect approach. We can engage without being escalatory or aggressive. We tend to view things from an oblique angle, and we absolutely acknowledge that trust, information-sharing and interagency collaboration is crucial.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 7:01 utc | 458

Re that guardian article. If something turns up here walking like a duck, talking like a duck, then it should be treated as a duck.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 7:14 utc | 459

Posted by: The Truth | Aug 20 2024 7:43 utc | 466
And the award of the most naive person on this blog goes to „The Truth“.
You truly deserve it!

Posted by: NoName | Aug 20 2024 8:09 utc | 460

The Truth | Aug 20 2024 7:43 utc | 466
Piss of troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 8:17 utc | 461

The Truth | Aug 20 2024 8:34 utc | 470
Piss off troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 8:45 utc | 462

If Mr “Truth” wasn’t on the 77th Brigade payroll he/it wouldn’t even bother to be here.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 20 2024 9:18 utc | 463

Where there is human shields, I doubt the Chechen’s will be taking prisoners.

Victor vicktop55
@vicktop55
The Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk region are hiding behind civilians and shooting them at point- blank range.
This was told by the commander of the Akhmat special forces, Apti Alaudinov:
“They find an orphanage there. And in this orphanage, they settle on the ground floor themselves… Or not in a children’s home, maybe, but in this building… Children and teachers are driven to the second floor, making a shield for themselves.”
In addition, recordings from the GoPro cameras of weseushnikov showed their fascist attitude towards people, the Major General added:
“I received a huge number of photos in which I saw civilians who were simply shot at point-blank range, in the head, in the back of the head. And all these civilians, unfortunately, died.”
Apti Alaudinov expressed his condolences to the relatives of the victims and stressed that all victims will be avenged.

https://x.com/vicktop55/status/1825816167434379617

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 9:20 utc | 464

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 20 2024 9:18 utc | 474
If Mr “Truth” wasn’t on the 77th Brigade payroll he/it wouldn’t even bother to be here.
Yeah. Him (her??) and a lot of buddies are having a circle jerk.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 20 2024 9:33 utc | 465

German MP demands Ukraine pay compensation for Nord Steam attack
US media reports have claimed that Vladimir Zelensky initially approved the sabotage
In a post on X (formerly Twitter), Weidel, a member of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, insisted that Kiev should pay compensation for the damage done.
“The economic damage to our country caused by the demolition of Nord Stream allegedly ordered by Zelensky – and not [Russian President Vladimir] Putin, as we were led to believe – should be ‘billed‘’ to Ukraine,” the German MP wrote. “Any ‘aid payments’ that burden the German taxpayer should be stopped.”
Weidel’s AfD party has been a vocal proponent of stopping military aid to Ukraine.
more
https://www.swentr.site/news/602824-mp-ukraine-pay-nordstream/

Posted by: Fred | Aug 20 2024 9:48 utc | 466

Fred | Aug 20 2024 9:48 utc | 477
Lukashenko believes the Ukie military will top the comedian when they realize what a disaster they have been led into with the Kursk adventure. He is quite likely to be proved correct

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 10:16 utc | 467

The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
Nothing to see here:
Germany is now engaged in exchanging information with Russian authorities wrt NordStream.
https://x.com/thesiriusreport/status/1825838930022789262

This Sirius report, I think he goes by the name of London Paul – he never links anything but nearly always there is something behind his comments.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 10:21 utc | 468

Yes, the West is simply much larger financially. Particularly given China is pretty much on the sidelines.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 20 2024 1:36 utc | 453
How naive do you have to be to believe “China is pretty much on the sidelines”?
The USA has already all but declared war on China. The Chinese know that if there is a western friendly regime change in Russia then the USA can simply starve them with a naval blockade. You don’t need to be a chess grandmaster to see this strategy.
The Chinese aren’t directly supplying weapons to Russia to maintain their diplomatic credibility but they are supplying Russia with consumer goods and markets for Russian goods to get around sanctions.
Chinese firms signed major deals with the Russians prior to the SMO including a deal with Huawei to “modernize and network” Russian manufacturing. Now what sort of manufacturing do you think deals signed on the eve of an invasion would pertain to? I seriously doubt it’s shovels and washing machines.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 20 2024 10:26 utc | 469

47th brigade command staff was hit by air strike in Sumy region (Glushkov).

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 20 2024 10:30 utc | 470

HB_Norica | Aug 20 2024 10:26 utc | 480
The Trump admin declaring Russia and China competitors, then the Biden admin declaring Russia and China adversaries. I forget what they call those papers – Strategic Review or something.
Then we have the Russia China joint statement. So many fail to understand those basics which take us into great power conflict.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 11:01 utc | 471

Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 7:01 utc | 464 (quoting item in the Guardian)…
***… named the 77th in tribute to the Chindits, the British guerrilla force led by Maj Gen Orde Wingate against the Japanese in Burma during the second world war. Wingate adopted unorthodox and controversial tactics that achieved successes …***
Interesting that the item hid the fact that Wingate was a zionist religious maniac of WW2 propaganda rather than practical use. Also, that Wingate eventually turned out to be a traitor.
So very appropriate that the extremely anti-British 77th false-flag Brigade commemorates such a character.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 20 2024 16:36 utc | 472

The Truth | Aug 20 2024 7:43 utc | 466
*** Only total frauds and idiots believe in such insanity and stupidity. In the big scheme of things geopolitical Moon of Alabama does not even exist. No one is about to knock down the Bernard’s door down, or your door, with a FBI or Interpol Search Warrant.
Get a real life! And a functioning brain and leave the wild eyed hand waving to the kiddies playing in the school yard.***
Therefore strange how the Political Establishment spends so much money and time on inflicting ‘bots’ in all allegedly unimportant online discussion forums, isn’t it?
That said, the abysmally low quality of most ‘bots’ and spoilers they expensively deploy on MoA (and other forums) perhaps does reinforce your argument…

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 20 2024 16:47 utc | 473

Many more British mercenaries continue dying in Kursk, really silly.

Posted by: AI | Aug 20 2024 16:55 utc | 474

Tonight, in the suburbs of the Romanian city of Brasov, a major fire broke out in a warehouse of the company Evroteks, where UAVS, SIGHTS, MILITARY EQUIPMENT and MEDICINES prepared for shipment to Ukraine were stored.
The fire spread over an area of ​​more than 10,000 square meters.
12 fire crews are involved in extinguishing the fire. The fire has not yet been completely localized.
– ISZ

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1825881979838964068
Nato is having bad run with warehouse fires ….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 17:06 utc | 475

Cynic | Aug 20 2024 16:36 utc | 483
Interesting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 17:07 utc | 476

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 20 2024 16:36 utc | 483
Wingate is considered an Israeli hero, there are statues of him everywhere there.
Nauseating.

Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 20 2024 17:17 utc | 477

483 – If Wingate had lived (he died in a plane crash in March 1944) I wonder how he would have reacted to increasing Zionist attacks on British military personnel and civil authority figures? For example, the assassination of Lord Moyne in November 1944?

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 20 2024 17:59 utc | 478

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/106531

A handwriting analysis conducted as part of the criminal case against former 58th Army commander, Major General Ivan Popov, has shown that the signatures on documents proving his guilt do not belong to him. There is a possibility that General Popov may be released from house arrest and the whole multi-volume case will fall apart.
Popov is a popular general that many would like to see being used in Ukraine.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 20 2024 20:15 utc | 479

Something that puzzles and worries me . . . Western “leaders” have all apparently lost their fear of nuclear war. The concept of “Mutual Assured Destruction” seems to have disappeared
Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 19 2024 19:22 utc | 419
It disappeared with USSR. Today Russia is like a different planet, is afraid of US drones, gets cluster bombs on the beach, and fails to see 11k people crossing the border in a single location. It’s hard to imagine lower levels but I’m sure they’ll find creative ways to be even worse.

Posted by: rk | Aug 20 2024 20:28 utc | 480

Russia does not have the men to hold cities like Odessa, Kharkov, or Kiev. Would be a nightmare. The best they can do is to look for an offramp. NATO knows this.
Posted by: The Kaker | Aug 20 2024 19:59 utc | 490

Yes, NATO knows lots of things. Like sanctions will bring Russia to her knees and the counteroffensive will humble Russia and our new (for real this time guys)wunderwaffen will do stuff and all kinds of other endless bullshitting from strutting peacocks and their pseudointellectual sycophants.
Meanwhile, Russia just keeps winning. It must really stick in the craw of the Nazis, don’t you think? So much so they have to announce loudly via redfaced dipshits like Jake the Snake ‘Russia has suffered a strategic defeat’ sure buddy, just like I cured cancer.
Over in clown world, Maerica keeps anxiously eying the sword of damocles hanging over her girly testicles. I’m sure it’s fine though. NATO knows things. If it weren’t so stupid and banal it would be hilarious.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 20 2024 20:52 utc | 481

Meanwhile, Russia just keeps winning.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 20 2024 20:52 utc | 495
If you consider losing Kursk to 12,000 Ukrainian troops as “winning” then you have Orwellian logic.

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 20 2024 21:02 utc | 482

I consider the Kursk incursion cocaine psychosis-fueled idiocy (I’m sure that the rosy-hued analysis of certain Western dipshits helped) that has no beneficial effect on the war, at least for Ukraine. It certainly helps Russia to concentrate all those trained troops, mercenaries and equipment into a smallish area for their destruction. Note the logistical dificulties… the vast majority of those forces that checked in will never leave. But hey, you do you, I guess I’m myopic.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 20 2024 22:27 utc | 483

Also, ‘Orwellian’ doesn’t mean inverted or idiotic. I’m not sure how logic can be a specific flavor of dystopian, exactly? NAFO types are such philistines. You’re fucking welcome, stay in school kids.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 20 2024 22:30 utc | 484

frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:33 utc | 499
So do you wish to say anything to me directly?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 22:39 utc | 485

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 22:39 utc | 500 20 3:39 PM
    CONTENT DELETE = re”/Peter ?AU1/” 140

frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:33 utc | 499

So do you wish to say anything to me directly?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 22:39 utc | 500 20 3:39 PM

so you do occasionally post good things. i would not want to see you banned. do you have anything to say to me directly?

Posted by: frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:45 utc | 486

frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:45 utc | 501
Break down my posts. The number where I have quoted and linked something I found elsewhere.
The number where I have simply Voiced an opinion on the subject of a thread or replied to someone relevant to the thread. I think it was this thread, me and Milites drifted off topic a bit at one stage.
And the the – Piss off troll.
Your shit you posted earlier. Username highjackers are easy for b to detect. Sockpuppets with muliple VPN not so easy.
Trolls b no longer bothers with.
Your crap is like some teenage ladyboy wanking himself.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 22:54 utc | 487

frkorz | Aug 20 2024 23:09 utc | 503
Piss off troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 23:14 utc | 488

Content of frkorzy boys contribution to topic.

Posters are using a variety of quoting styles to include text from other posts. This requires mental effort to figure out the quoting style and identify what actually belongs to the poster. There is an easier way that readers can easily identify what is the posters and what is being quoted. When you are at the reply box, move the mouse to the middle of the right half. Slowly slide upwards until you reach the word QUOTE. Triple-click on it. This selects the HTML for quoting. Right click and from the menu select copy. Now move to the reply box. Right click and select paste. Of course you can use control-c for copy and control-v for paste. One last thing. Double click on the word Text and press Enter twice. This gives you a big fat target between the HTML tags where you can paste in the text you are quoting. Go to the end of the text in the reply box and type your response. Repeat as necessary. Thank you for being a professional internet user and not an annoying childish twerp.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 14:09 utc | 4
……………
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 18 2024 14:31 utc | 6 18 07:31 AM
@ frkorz | Aug 18 2024 14:09 utc | 4
1) You’re off topic.
2) My cell phone doesn’t have a mouse.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 18 2024 14:31 utc | 6 18 07:31 AM
If people can post praises of post of “fuck off troll” then I can sure as hell post something that is informative and usefull. I don’t recall asking you to read my post and I also did not ask you to reply.
Long press on the HTML and then select the HTML. Long press in the reply box and select paste. But since you do know how to use your phone you already knew that.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 14:40 utc | 8
Posted by: frank | Aug 18 2024 19:33 utc | 140
sorry, thats really me. The post from the Chrombox had a very old user namec from like 2 years ago.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 19:51 utc | 147
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 18 2024 20:08 utc | 156
You did good! Now shut up unless you have something on topic and usefull.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 20:12 utc | 153
please note the following sequence of posts.
my posts at 4 and 138 and 147. post 140 refed in 147 has turned out to be 138.
this means b deleted 2 posts after post 147 was made.
this means b saw my post 4 and decided not to delete it.
i contend that this proves i am not a troll. QED.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 14:09 utc | 4 18 07:09 AM
Posters are using a variety of quoting styles to include text from other posts. This requires mental effort to figure out the quoting style and identify what actually belongs to the poster. There is an easier way that readers can easily identify what is the posters and what is being quoted. When you are at the reply box, move the mouse to the middle of the right half. Slowly slide upwards until you reach the word QUOTE. Triple-click on it. This selects the HTML for quoting. Right click and from the menu select copy. Now move to the reply box. Right click and select paste. Of course you can use control-c for copy and control-v for paste. One last thing. Double click on the word Text and press Enter twice. This gives you a big fat target between the HTML tags where you can paste in the text you are quoting. Go to the end of the text in the reply box and type your response. Repeat as necessary. Thank you for being a professional internet user and not an annoying childish twerp.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 14:09 utc | 4 18 07:09 AM
Posted by: frank | Aug 18 2024 19:33 utc | 138 18 12:33 PM
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 18 2024 18:27 utc | 101
I tried this on an ASUS Chrombox that I have.
This is what I see. I think it is what you see also.
Allowed HTML Tags:
Text → Text
Text → Text
Text → Text

Text

Link to Wikileaks → Link to Wikileaks
Your post does not look like mine because I had to escape the < characters by replacing them with "<" (without the ""). If you don't do this then the HTML tags are interpreted by the browser instead of just displaying them as text. Triple-clicking works for me, I don't know why yours did not. However you can click and drag from the leftmost < to the rightmost > on the BLOCKQUOTE text line.
When you right click it must be on the highlighted text and the first menu option will then be “copy” (if not the highlighted text will be deselected and the popup menu will not show copy as the first item).
You should then move the mouse into the text area below and right click inside it. The popup menu there should have “paste” as about the 5th entry. Select it and you should get the BLOCKQUOTE stuff with the angle brackets and the word “Text” in the middle inserted into the text area.
An alternate method is to click drag the BLOCKQUOTE as before to select it and then press control-c. Move to the text area and left click in it followed by typing control-v. The end result should be the same. I hope this helps.
Posted by: frank | Aug 18 2024 19:33 utc | 138 18 12:33 PM
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 19:51 utc | 147 18 12:51 PM
Posted by: frank | Aug 18 2024 19:33 utc | 140
sorry, thats really me. The post from the Chrombox had a very old user namec from like 2 years ago.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 18 2024 19:51 utc | 147 18 12:51 PM
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 20 2024 20:06 utc | 491
…………
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 20 2024 20:06 utc | 491
just so this does not get lost. proof of not being a troll. thanks b.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 20 2024 20:17 utc | 493
…….
just out of curiosity i generated the following of number of posts by user greater than 5 posts for this thread. can you identify any trolls? just kidding.
frkorz|6
psychohistorian|6
Roger|6
Stonebird|6
HB_Norica|7
Naive|7
Neofeudalfuture|7
TJandTheBear|7
Victor|7
aristodemos|8
nate|8
Jerr|9
LightYearsFromHome|9
LoveDonbass|9
Anonymous|11
HERMIUS|11
Wisco|12
Milites|14
unimperator|14
Tom_Q_Collins|16
Down South|18
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang|24
Peter AU1|67
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:33 utc | 499
……..
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 22:39 utc | 500 20 3:39 PM
CONTENT DELETE = re”/Peter ?AU1/” 140
frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:33 utc | 499
So do you wish to say anything to me directly?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 20 2024 22:39 utc | 500 20 3:39 PM
so you do occasionally post good things. i would not want to see you banned. do you have anything to say to me directly?
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 20 2024 22:45 utc | 501

…………
And that is the contribution of this troll to the topic of this thread.
DO NOT FEED THE FUCKING TROLLS. scuse the language.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 1:06 utc | 489

The Truth | Aug 21 2024 1:25 utc | 507
Piss off troll.
………..
@ all. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. Ignore or short and sweet – Piss of troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 1:39 utc | 490

I agree with what Karlof1 said a couple days ago, it IS kind of entertaining to watch PeterAU1 nonchalantly deal with the relentless and personalized “troll” attacks, and watch them go to great lengths with wordy posts, and tabulating and documenting website statistics, to ATTACK! They never seem to reply much (if ever) to the abundance of factual data posted by Peter, though. They mainly focus on the modern “Woke” criticisms of the language used by Peter in some of his more provoking posts. MSM shills, really, who use approved shut-up words like “conspiracy theorist!”, and “racist!”, and “hate speech!”, and “antisemite!”, and “dictator!”, and “Thread Police!”.
One of the “trolls” up-thread actually tried to convince the bar that Lee Harvey Oswald really acted alone just exactly like the Warren Commission and the MSM say, and anyone who questions the govt’s official theory is a “conspiracy theorist!!”.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 21 2024 2:25 utc | 491

David Sacks
@DavidSacks
The definitive response to the smear that you’re “pro-Putin” if you don’t accept the MSM’s propaganda about the Ukraine War.
………
Concerned Citizen
@BGatesIsaPyscho
Piers Morgan getting absolutely schooled on Geo-Politics by scholar Jeffrey Sachs.
Have never seen Piers Morgan so quiet.

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1825982159598874931
Video at the link. This thread has been totally swamped by the skirt wearing trolls but for anyone who happens to see this, its well worth watching the video and Sachs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 3:38 utc | 492

Back to the Bloodlands: Operation Krepost
Russo-Ukrainian War: The Kursk Operation
Big Serge
Aug 20, 2024
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/back-to-the-bloodlands-operation

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 21 2024 3:50 utc | 493

My insincere apology to the trolls …
… for posting something relevant to this thread @ 513

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 21 2024 3:55 utc | 494

Don Firineach | Aug 21 2024 3:50 utc | 513
Big serge is always good. Puts current doings in the light of history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 4:30 utc | 495

“yep, another entry for my delete list. bye.”
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 21 2024 3:29 utc | 510
Luckily, MoA still respects free speech. You have apparently figured out a technical method to exclude posters with whom you disagree. Good on ya for banning posters with whom you disagree using your own tech methods and not just relying on the state or the MSM to do the banning for you.
For what it’s worth, I liked your tally of the comments on this thread by username. It was interesting. I was shocked I posted so much and didn’t believe it, but you were right. I counted.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 21 2024 4:33 utc | 496

Let it be spelled out, this “frkorz” character is weird. A techie who is exteemely pro-censorship. He/she does his/her own censorship right here, out in the open.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 21 2024 5:13 utc | 497

EC | Aug 21 2024 12:59 utc | 518
Piss off troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 13:42 utc | 498

Some days MOA resembles a sand box, don’t wear diapers (nappies) in the sand box guys. It’ll irritate yer wee bums and make you all cranky.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2024 13:42 utc | 499

Do your “testing” elsewhere. If you’re a “techie” you should be able to quickly develop some kind of ‘sandbox’ that mirrors MOA’s Typepad functionality. Come on. The above is just obnoxious.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 22 2024 4:42 utc | 528
I quite like what he’s doing. It is not at all obnoxious unlike the psycho Nazi Trolls and the paranoid conspiracy theorists who think they can run the joint like you and your friends.
and I think you missed this text above – the only posters here are the trolls and i dont care if they are bothered. i look at it as two birds one stone.
I suspect he’s talking about you and the love of your life PeterAy. He is not talking about Tichy who is not a troll.

Posted by: truthiness | Aug 22 2024 8:45 utc | 500