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August 18, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-197

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Posted by: boneless | Aug 18 2024 23:24 utc | 207
Peter will surely write that you are a troll.
The governement does what he has to do, that is to rule the country. Alaudinov does what he has to do. To each his work and rule. Truth is the best PR.
Now who cares about the western people? A majority of them are corrupt by more than 500 years of looting and genocides when they did nothing to stop them and took profits from those crimes against humanity. The miners of Donbass took their weapons to defend their country, culture and language, while western people are cowards who will submit to any tyranny of their bourgeoisie.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 18 2024 23:37 utc | 201

Just to add to that, the US are desperate to avoid a collapse, as far as they can, before the “election”. Images of helicopter evacuations from embassy rooftops will be difficult for the Mighty Wurlitzer to spin in a positive light…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 18 2024 20:18 utc | 159
Afghanistan memory-holed. Women executed by the Taliban not nearly as important as your 400 “friends” on Facefook.
The masses in China that have had their lifestyles improved since the 80’s is, in my humble opinion, a triumph for democracy (as equality in living standards) as billon or so people got out of poverty.
Is that is what is happening in the United States?
I don’t think so.
Posted by: canuck | Aug 18 2024 23:37 utc | 209
The American Worker replaced by outsourcing/freetrade to keep the Favored Few skimming and Capital crushing Labor. Basic economics, the reason behind money-printing/counterfeiting, borrowing and interest suppression. When the end comes will all the Private Jets get out?

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 18 2024 23:45 utc | 202

Russian Armed Forces completed the liberation of New York – Town to be Renamed Novgorod
The town of New York has been completely liberated by Russian troops, which means that Novgorod will appear on the map of the DPR.
“New York will now be renamed Novgorod” said the head of the Donetsk republic Denis Pushilin
According to Russian resources, assault groups of the Russian Armed Forces were able to clear out the remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and drive the enemy out of the town. As of yesterday, approximately 10% of the city remained under Ukrainian control, the remaining 90% was controlled by Russian troops. Apparently, these remains have been cleared away today. However, the fighting did not end there; ours began an attack on Nelepovka, located between Novgorod and Toretsk.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 18 2024 22:40 utc | 199
Seems the russians are making huge progress in this area.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Aug 18 2024 23:46 utc | 203

If the Ukrainians are digging in, how will Russia take back the territory the Ukrainins are occupying?
The going rate in the Ukraine battles seems to be months for Russia to capture a village or two. How will they do it any faster in the Kursk area?

Posted by: Jim Smith | Aug 18 2024 23:47 utc | 204

@Jim Smith ‘213
‘If the Ukrainians are digging in, how will Russia take back the territory the Ukrainins are occupying?
They will just cover them over again with the earth they had dug out.
History of those who invade Russia. Adds to the fertility of the steppes!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 18 2024 23:55 utc | 205

Lang 3 – This current situation and the use of Ukrainian National Police units as assault troops has to remind any WWII historian of infamous SS Police Division, notorious for its brutal treatment of Russian and Polish civilians, the unit was labeled by some historians as the worst SS unit of all time……….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 19 2024 0:02 utc | 206

@hh #201
Read some history
The Polish-West Ukrainian Conflict Over East Galicia in 1918−1919
Posted on March 2, 2024 by Yves Smith
Yves here. Europeans, and arguably even more so eastern Europeans, are acutely aware of their national and ethnic histories. This short Polish-Ukrainian conflict in east Galacia played a key role in souring relations between the people in the two areas.
By Dr. Vladislav B. Sotirovic, Ex-University Professor, Research Fellow at the Centre for Geostrategic Studies, Belgrade, Serbia (sotirovic1967@gmail.com)
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/03/the-polish-west-ukrainian-conflict-over-east-galicia-in-1918%e2%88%921919.html

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 19 2024 0:04 utc | 207

Posted by: burak | Aug 18 2024 23:35 utc | 208
I am reading the wsw link you posted. To summarise: a lot of crap.
It is an immense political humiliation for the Putin regime and a demonstration that NATO has no “red lines” in its escalation against Russia.
Three lies in one sentence.
1) It is not “Putin regime”, it is the Russian government.
2) Where is the humiliation when the enemy fell into a trap?
3) Western leaders are cowards, for they are hiding their military men killed in Ukraine. Most famous case: General Georgelin killed close to the front. When returning the corpses in their country, they land on military airports behind closed doors and the families received money to keep silent.
It inevitably follows that if it is permissible for Ukraine to attack Russia using NATO weapons
It is the case since day one of the SMO. Reminder: Donetsk and Lugansk and Crimea are Russia. Followed by Kherson and Zaporojie.
The next “red line” that NATO will cross could be the deployment of its own troops, including for a military offensive against Crimea.
Very, very stupid sentence. Reminder: western countries are cowards. It is quite funny in a sense to see russophobic people drawing red lines for Russia.
More fucking armchair general pretending to analyse the situation.
On Sunday, the Atlantic Council think tank published a blog post assessing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s response to the attack:
Soooo, here we are: hand in hand with the jewish neocons.
And the top:
The World Socialist Web Site is the voice of the working class and the leadership of the international socialist movement.
Which working class? There is no working class in western countries, because there is no class consciousness. The wsw is a parasite unable to change anything in their own countries.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2024 0:09 utc | 208

If the Ukrainians are digging in, how will Russia take back the territory the Ukrainins are occupying?
The going rate in the Ukraine battles seems to be months for Russia to capture a village or two. How will they do it any faster in the Kursk area?
Posted by: Jim Smith | Aug 18 2024 23:47 utc | 213
The point is, Mr Smith, the Ukes aint goin anywhere in Kursk. Theyre stuck there now, in a trap. Meanwhile, the depleted uke forces in donbas are being routed as russia moves forward, forward, and forward.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 0:19 utc | 209

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2024 0:09 utc | 218
So apparently Trenin (Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 18 2024 23:57 utc | 215) is crappy too?

Posted by: burak | Aug 19 2024 0:34 utc | 210

‘No food or water for days:’ Ukrainian soldier explains why he surrendered to Russia
Aleksandr Makievsky recounts how one unit was told it would be targeted by ‘friendly’ fire if it withdrew from its position
Some Ukrainian soldiers are being left by their commanders without food and water for days at a time while being forbidden to retreat under the threat of death, according to a Ukrainian soldier who surrendered and was interviewed by the Russian Defense Ministry.
On Sunday, the ministry released a three-minute clip featuring Ukrainian soldier and former police officer Aleksandr Makievsky, who said he voluntarily surrendered to Russian forces after experiencing firsthand the hardships on the front line caused by the military leadership’s callous and ruthless attitude toward its own troops.
Makievsky said he was dismissed from the police force after refusing to join a Ukrainian assault brigade. Three months later, he ran out of money and received a draft notice and had little choice but to sign a contract with the military.
He claims he was told that he would be deployed to Donbass on the second line of defense, which was not supposed to directly engage with Russian forces.
“We were immediately taken and dumped there and told to dig in… The spades were blunt, work was impossible,” he recalled. “We had no food or water. By the sixth day, I thought I was going to die.”
He also recounted how one day he heard extremely chaotic and tense radio chatter when one Ukrainian group decided to retreat. “[The group] was told: ‘If you retreat, we will fire a volley of Grad rockets at your position. The war will write everything off.”
READ MORE: Ukraine could be ‘destroyed’ – Lukashenko
Makievsky admitted that he was scared and wanted to leave, but he knew that he would be executed by his fellow troops. “Two brotherly peoples are being pitted against each other… War is hell… The government embezzles money while the common people suffer. They are doing business, and commanders are no better,” he added.
Many of the Ukrainian soldiers who have chosen to surrender have accused Kiev of treating them as “cannon fodder” and failing to support them in combat with basic equipment. They have also complained of a lack of basic training and numerous desertions. Meanwhile, the Russian military has set up a special radio frequency that Ukrainians can use to surrender while guaranteeing prisoners of war humane treatment.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 0:36 utc | 211

@213
Avdeyevka
Berdichi (hello, Anonymous!)
Robotyne
Ocheteryne
Novgorod (today)
Marinka
Krasnogorovka
Bilohorivka
Urvagina (phonetic I can’t spell it)
Staramayorske
That’s 10 off the top of my head and doesn’t include the Kupiask direction or partially taken cities like Volchansk.
All larger villages or small cities not some hamlets.
All in the last six months so that is more than 1 per month.
What has NATO accomplished in that time? Sent some terror cells into the Kursk and cannot even take a major town or city.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 19 2024 0:37 utc | 212

A resident of Sudzha, already surrounded by enemies, was able to walk 60 km to save his own mother, and survived. An incredible story of courage from Kursk (and no less incredible footage)
Residents of the Kursk region are experiencing the disaster happening in their land in different ways, but mostly, as many episodes have shown, steadfastly and courageously. However, the story of Ivan from Sudzha will give goosebumps to anyone, even the most sophisticated reader and viewer. The guy realized that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were actively attacking Sudzha after they began intensively shelling the city. On August 7, Ivan, hearing the characteristic crackle of small arms, hid in a brick building. The Ukrainian terrorists were already so close that he could hear their conversations.
Having reached home, the guy began to persuade his mother to flee the city, but she did not want to leave her favorite cat Murenka and the house. The son reluctantly decided to temporarily leave alone, and after spending the night in Bolshoy Soldatskoye, he again headed towards Sudzha. At the checkpoint, Russian soldiers stopped him and warned him that returning to the city was mortally dangerous – the young man himself understood this, but he could not leave his mother. The soldiers understood the situation and let him through, telling him to be careful.
Ivan got to Sudzha and put his mother on the evacuation bus – there was only one seat left, so the boy decided to go back himself. His dangerous route, first by bike and then on foot, was 60 km, and all this time the young man was literally right next to the enemy, only miraculously not catching his eye and more than once finding himself a hair’s breadth from death – for example, when Ivan was caught in the middle of a field by a Ukrainian drone, from which he managed to hide in a concrete pipe.
The boy recorded all the details of his “voyage” on camera. This is probably the most complete video chronicle of the initial stage of the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Kursk region, filmed in the first person by a simple but incredibly brave local resident.

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 19 2024 0:43 utc | 213

Ukraine Soldier caught looting in Sudzhi’s store by “Akhmat”
Special forces of the Akhmat brigade published footage of a Ukrainian serviceman captured near the Kursk city of Sudzha.
The fool had filmed himself looting the Pyaterochka chain store. Later he was captured. In the footage published by Akhmat, the Ukrainian fool, who a few days ago was making bravura speeches in Surzhik, now speaks Russian:
“Glory to Russia! Putin is the best! Akhmat strength!” He started to shout.
His hands are visibly shaking. And where did all the arrogance that he demonstrated after the invasion of Russian soil go…

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 0:51 utc | 214

LightYearsFromHome | Aug 18 2024 19:50 utc | 148
***The corruption of the Zelensky regime is so extensive that they will be executed if caught. And the global “force” pushing for escalation apparently wants World War III,
— Tuomas Malinen wrote on the social network X. ***
Maybe the increasingly desperate Kiev regime and its UK string-pullers will try something quite different … such as a missile attack on Belarus, but set up so as to blame (a not involved) Poland for it.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 19 2024 0:57 utc | 215

Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 0:56 utc | 227
STOP TALKING COMPLETE BOLLOX!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 1:00 utc | 216

HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 0:51 utc | 226
Such things are meaningless. Of no value. Unimportant and irrelevant. A distraction. Makes no difference to anything. A waste of space here or anywhere.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:02 utc | 230
Ive no problem with genuine debate from any side. But I can’t stand downright lies!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 1:14 utc | 217

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 18 2024 22:50 utc | 202
Not really.
Belarus has RF nuclear weapons on its soil.
Those weapons are still controlled by the RF.
No different than NATO nukes, they are controlled from elsewhere.

Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 19 2024 1:30 utc | 218

boneless | Aug 18 2024 23:24 utc | 207
*** It is weird to witness a special forces commander do more of positive yet grounded propaganda for his country than the entire government and MoD. ***
Major-General Alaudinov has from the beginning of the SMO impressed as a genuinely good, thoughtful and very intelligent man.
A huge contrast to the deranged, ignorant and degenerate brain-dead clockwork NATO-pimping garbage that British senior officers appear to be nowadays.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 19 2024 1:32 utc | 219

In response to

It’s like living in a Flintstones cartoon.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:23 utc | 233

I believe the existing God Of Mammon cult of private finance is Flinstones like and we of the West are living the barbarian life.
Do you?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2024 1:35 utc | 220

…there are dozens here totally out of control and carrying on like two years olds in a fight at kindergarten – all those complaining about Trolls are also TROLLS and even worse than those they cannot stand.
Not agreeing with what someone says does NOT make them a troll for crying out loud!
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:23 utc | 233
The authoritarians here have their own definition of troll, and you won’t change them by pointing out the obvious. I used to come here for the discussion, now I mainly drop in for the laughs.

Posted by: Crater | Aug 19 2024 1:37 utc | 221

… George Floyd with an overwhelming force kneeing on it’s neck. It can’t move. Can’t get away. Has no where to go for safety.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:13 utc | 231

Only a Fed would still push this agitprop by now – not because it still believes in it but because of the All-Bureau Memoranda.
Next time try better, Glowie

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 19 2024 1:41 utc | 222

Which working class? There is no working class in western countries, because there is no class consciousness. The wsw is a parasite unable to change anything in their own countries.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2024 0:09 utc | 218
Agreed of wsws coverage of the Imperialist war on Russia via zombie Ukraine. They have been shit on the topic since day 1. Every article was written at the outset scolding Russia for its terrible “blunder” in using military force to halt the Nazi genocide in the Donbass. More recently they only write on the conflict when Imperialism pulls off one of its supposed game changing terror attacks and again to scold Russia.
They claim to be Leninist, but seem to have created some exception to his revolutionary defeatist line for the Ukie conflict, even while acknowledging that Russia is not an imperialist nation.
Nonetheless, it’s coverage is still better than anything coming from what passes for the left in the west.
Finally, your assertion that there is no working class in the west has to be the single stupidest thing I’ve read at the bar and that ain’t easy. It’s so stupid, I’m not even going to argue the point. The fact will be self evident to most sentient humans.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 1:41 utc | 223

The next “red line” that NATO will cross could be the deployment of its own troops, including for a military offensive against Crimea.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 0:45 utc | 225
——————
No, nah, nope.
If they were going to do that they would have done it. However you need real troops for that, which NATO doesn’t have.
NATO has had two full years to mobilize. Just look at what, Russia did, what Ukraine did then ehat NATO did.
A lot of big talk, then not a single new battalion. No ramp up of production worth a shit, in fact barely enough to keep the AFU supplied.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 19 2024 1:43 utc | 224

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 19 2024 1:43 utc | 240
Agree. NATO is afraid of putting real “skin” in the game. The kind of skin that means body bags coming home to America, in small towns where people still fear God.
No decent man or woman wants to die for a corrupt, decadent, Godless death-cult that worships mammon like the psychos in power in the US, UK, and parts of W. Europe. Some criminal types who sign up to be mercs, maybe. They only know killing anyways. They’ll be a net plus anyways for society when they’re dead and rotting in a shallow grave in Ukraine, rather than committing felonies in Paris, New York, or London.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 19 2024 1:50 utc | 225

@240 urban fox
Re:natos lack of production increases
There’s a few new factories coming up and some massive infrastructure coming in, in the 2029 time frame.
However your right its not nearly enough despite lots of time to do more. Why is this? Well I think it’s part of a smo. Russia get it strategic bare minimum goals without provoking an overwhelming nato response which is well within its capabilities.
Why doesn’t russia mobilize and go to Total war? It can’t win total war with nato. It can win a limited war fixed to ukrainian territory and then wait for nato to dissolve.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 19 2024 1:53 utc | 226

. George Floyd with an overwhelming force kneeing on it’s neck. It can’t move. Can’t get away. Has no where to go for safety.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:13 utc | 231
Only a Fed would still push this agitprop by now – not because it still believes in it but because of the All-Bureau Memoranda.
Next time try better, Glowie
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 19 2024 1:41 utc | 238
True, but get used to it. The feds run the western media and they have a historic black female they need to install to keep the Ukie debacle going. They need to crank up the racial division to convince the black vote that sister Kamala and the dem masta is there to aid the black community, despite the fact that police killings of workers (blacks included) in the US continues apace and will likely increase in the coming period.
The trick is, when a Dem is in office they just stop talking about police brutality. When they’re out of power, of course, it’s a world shattering crisis of jim crow lynching in every corner of the country.
The good news, workers are starting to see the game and have developed some immunity to this pernicious racial divide and rule strategy of the woke billionaires.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 1:55 utc | 227

I’m so sick of this shit.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:23 utc | 233
Well just Fuck off then!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 1:56 utc | 228

WSWS had some fine articles about Ukraine, but yes, it was, like C. Hedges and Chomsky, against Russia’s military operation, while I was (silently) criticising Russia for the delay.

Posted by: burak | Aug 19 2024 1:57 utc | 229

In response to

It’s like living in a Flintstones cartoon.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:23 utc | 233

I believe the existing God Of Mammon cult of private finance is Flinstones like and we of the West are living the barbarian life.
Do you?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2024 1:35 utc | 236
I do! The Zionazis that run the US don’t just call you a troll when you simply disagree with their genocide in Gaza.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 1:58 utc | 230

‘No food or water for days:’ Ukrainian soldier explains why he surrendered to Russia
Aleksandr Makievsky recounts how one unit was told it would be targeted by ‘friendly’ fire if it withdrew from its position
Some Ukrainian soldiers are being left by their commanders without food and water for days at a time while being forbidden to retreat under the threat of death, according to a Ukrainian soldier who surrendered and was interviewed by the Russian Defense Ministry.
On Sunday, the ministry released a three-minute clip featuring Ukrainian soldier and former police officer Aleksandr Makievsky, who said he voluntarily surrendered to Russian forces after experiencing firsthand the hardships on the front line caused by the military leadership’s callous and ruthless attitude toward its own troops.
Makievsky said he was dismissed from the police force after refusing to join a Ukrainian assault brigade. Three months later, he ran out of money and received a draft notice and had little choice but to sign a contract with the military.
He claims he was told that he would be deployed to Donbass on the second line of defense, which was not supposed to directly engage with Russian forces.
“We were immediately taken and dumped there and told to dig in… The spades were blunt, work was impossible,” he recalled. “We had no food or water. By the sixth day, I thought I was going to die.”
He also recounted how one day he heard extremely chaotic and tense radio chatter when one Ukrainian group decided to retreat. “[The group] was told: ‘If you retreat, we will fire a volley of Grad rockets at your position. The war will write everything off.”
READ MORE: Ukraine could be ‘destroyed’ – Lukashenko
Makievsky admitted that he was scared and wanted to leave, but he knew that he would be executed by his fellow troops. “Two brotherly peoples are being pitted against each other… War is hell… The government embezzles money while the common people suffer. They are doing business, and commanders are no better,” he added.
Many of the Ukrainian soldiers who have chosen to surrender have accused Kiev of treating them as “cannon fodder” and failing to support them in combat with basic equipment. They have also complained of a lack of basic training and numerous desertions. Meanwhile, the Russian military has set up a special radio frequency that Ukrainians can use to surrender while guaranteeing prisoners of war humane treatment.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 0:36 utc | 222

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 2:02 utc | 231

Russia might even militarily defeat the Ukrainians, and take the whole country and either occupy it or annex the whole thing, and still it will change nothing.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:58 utc | 247
Dont talk bollox!
Russia has no interest in crossing the Dnieper. But it does have an interest in abiding by the vote of the peoples of Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaparozhia and Kherson.
Its called defending democracy!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 2:07 utc | 232

Russia has no interest in crossing the Dnieper.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 2:07 utc | 249
____
If the western half of 404 doesn’t denazify itself, Russia might have to. I imagine Russia realizes this.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 19 2024 2:27 utc | 233

WSWS had some fine articles about Ukraine, but yes, it was, like C. Hedges and Chomsky, against Russia’s military operation, while I was (silently) criticising Russia for the delay.
Posted by: burak | Aug 19 2024 1:57 utc | 245
What bugs me about that anti Russia attitude and this org in particular is that their line on Ukraine is anything but Marxist. They should have very easily discerned that Russia, a non imperialist country, was under concerted attack from the premier Imperialist power, the US. Thus, critical support for Russia’s struggle with Imperialism would make perfect sense and have a great appeal even in Russia itself!
Their failed line on this conflict really makes them look like feds. Nonetheless, it is a good school of Marxism. Every American should join their party, study Marxism closely there for a few years, then leave to form an actually revolutionary party.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 2:29 utc | 234

Desiderata @ @ @
The Pomegranate
by Kahlil Gibran (abridged)
Once when I was living in the heart of a pomegranate, I heard a seed
saying,
**************************************************************
Then an eight spoke—and a ninth—and a tenth—and then many—until
all were speaking, and I could distinguish nothing for the many
voices.
And so I moved that very day into the heart of a quince, where the
seeds are few and almost silent.

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 2:31 utc | 235

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 2:29 utc | 251
“They should have very easily discerned that Russia, a non imperialist country, was under concerted attack from the premier Imperialist power, the US. Thus, critical support for Russia’s struggle with Imperialism would make perfect sense and have a great appeal even in Russia itself!”
Yes, who knows? Maybe this time…

Posted by: burak | Aug 19 2024 2:42 utc | 236

Light YFH@1826
Whether or not Caesar was primarily a samesexer or some form of bi is still open to question. My primary reference point is that during the days when Rome was still a Republic, Caesar was referred to as “every woman’s man and every man’s woman”. In that historical era, it was common for nations to exchange hostages from prominent families. Can’t recall the name of the particular tyrant who was at that time somewhat of an ally to Rome. At the time, that offspring of the prominent Julian line was sent as a hostage. He must have been fetching, because his “recipient” frequently engaged his probably receptive services.
Did not respond to one poster who insisted that bisexuality is usually one or the other as for identification. Not so in my experience, both directly and indirectly, as I tend to be a bit particular in my preferences and many of those married fathers, grandfathers et al simply do not stir my interest. There are virtually an infinite number of “types” amongst samesexers of both iterations…a realm in which pure oppos have comparatively fewer variations…even though, in today’s deeply deracinated consumer culture…they remain as a huge majority…except, apparently amongst the two younger generations, where women are far more comfortable with occasional samesex experiences.
After all, women have no “womanhood” to shield and protect. They do tend to be far more comfortable with their own feelings and experiences than most males. One recent observation I’ve made on the basis of several personal encounters. In relatively recent years, I’ve become more flexible with “letting it flow” and have essentially “come out” as a hot-dancer to vibrant music, mostly traditional rock n’ roll. Major body movements, somewhat similar to lead musicians. Several times now, very attractive young women, including in group dancing, either smoothly begin dancing with me or inducing me to join their circles for that particular tune.
Observation: Today’s younger women have difficulties with their boyfriends at the dance floor. Most oppo-sex guys in the younger generations seem incapable of letting it flow like this soon to be Octogenarian.
Though statistical surveys have reported that specifically gay men’s numbers are about double those of lesbians. On the other hand there are far more women who waaay outnumber the majority of males who are genuinely comfortable with their own bodies. Attribution: A post Victorian cultural hold on herd mentality as one factor. Another is that the repressive tentacles of organized religion still possess a usually subconscious hold on even younger males. Perhaps foremost though, is the unfortunate fact that most American males have seriously injured psyches due to the Unkindest Cut.
Lacking the lubricious sensitivity and smooth propulsion particular to the foreskin; an estimable proportion of American males ultimately “get off” better via oral gratification than by the traditional exchange. THAT is America’s “dirty little secret”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 2:51 utc | 237

Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 2:45 utc | 254
Best comment I’ve seen here in quite a long while.

Posted by: nate | Aug 19 2024 2:54 utc | 238

Today, Zelensky “reveals the purpose of the Kursk incursion/invasion”.
Lmao.
Over the 2 weeks since its beginning, I’ve been tallying up all the different suppositions, analyses, punditry, opinions, theories, strategies, etc, etc by all sorts of people — within the Kiev regime; connected to the Kiev regime; actually within the Kremlin; connected to Russian media; Western military professionals; armchair amateurs; MSM media; alt-media … so much semi-correct pontification. So here’s my list of possible purposes given thus far, by both sides:
* To capture the Kursk NPP;
* To show “we can win with more weapons gifts”;
* To embarrass the Kremlin by showing RFAF weakness;
* To foment a populist overthrow of Putin;
* To distract before some bigger attack elsewhere;
* To cause transfer of RF Donbass troops thus causing a weakening of RF defences there;
* To provocate a big RF response to cause escalation and thus bring NATO openly into the SMO;
* To capture RF borderland territory to use as a bargaining tool;
* To capture numerous tiny borderland villages, grab and hold civilian hostages to use as bargaining blackmail;
* To draw attention away from the Donbass routing;
* To expend the RF forces which were poised to enter Kharkov and/or Sumy oblasts from the north;
* To frighten the Russian people (?);
* Just a random act of desperation;
* Any I’ve forgotten? Lol.
But today, Zelensky provides the dumbest reasoning of all — “to create a buffer zone against future Russian incursions”. This is pure delusion, pure fiction, pure damage control PR. And funny, since only AFTER the ensuing failure of their operation does he say this, tacitly denying all the other possible reasons everyone else has put forward in the meantime, but now he’s promoting some domestic spin rationale. Lol.
Of course, we could say that the overall sum of all reasons was why they did it. But in the end, none of the ostensible reasons for it will come true. Truly delusional. But I guess it makes him and his goons look like winners.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 19 2024 2:56 utc | 239

I wish a moderater would remove all the non-Ukraine posts. Too many people posting off topic.

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 19 2024 3:07 utc | 240

If Putin and all of Russia is not preparing right now for an all out war with the US and Europe in the very near future then they are being ruled by idiots.
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 3:07 utc | 259
Yes, Putin is in Azerbaijan now instead of with his generals about strengthening Russia’s border and getting the Ukrainian troops out of Kursk.

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 19 2024 3:11 utc | 241

re: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 18 2024 21:39 utc | 185
Thanks for posting that. Over the years I have seen James Corbett commenting on various matters and never paid much attention to him, but thought maybe he had opinions that weren’t worthless. Now I know not to waste any time considering his views. The fact his substack doesn’t have a comments section is a tell.
“Putin and Xi are both tyrannical thugs” is such a pathetic statement.

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 19 2024 3:13 utc | 242

ref. trolls:
Pls. note that this is also an informational channel that relies on its THREAD TOPIC (see above on entering this site) – so MoA commenters should please stick on that.
All those trolls like Anonymous, frkorz, Victor, Newbie, NemesisCalling, etc. with teir HTML like, sexual/gay waste and off-topic issues should leave here immediately.
By the way,
WOW impressive : Your trolls making a remarkable distraction from the main issue (the War in UKR) by performing such a small non-intelligent DoS-Attack here .. Great psychops !

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 19 2024 3:18 utc | 243

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 2:51 utc | 256
It’s very simple, you old homo. The gaydar of the “very attractive young women” will have told them “he is safe”.

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 19 2024 3:21 utc | 244

Desiderata @ 254
Desiderata
If you do start your own blog do post the URL here. Would be interested in checking it out.
However, if you want to
create “an ALT MoA Forum using a decent software system and Moderating the vile disrespectful abusers out of the place before they even get a toe in the door”, Facebook would be a good place to start. It has all the tools available you want and will help you “fact check and ban”.
I don’t believe in “Russian is Evil”, but there are evil people that started and promised this war and they are the globalist of the USA, EU and Eastern Mediterranean areas. Also, what has been happening in Gaza over the last two decades is an outgrowth of this evil.
I’mthe contarian here and say this war has nothing to do with Minsk, Nato, Dombas, Ukrainian nationality, Nazi or historic Russia. (Apologies ahead to those that had heard this before). It has to do with getting Europe off Russia oil and gas so the EU countries will buy oil and gas from Israeli. Its estimated israel has more oil in the Golan Heights than Saudi Arabia and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas off its shores in the Eastern Mediterranean.
2013 was the pivotal year for the implementation of this strategy, where a modest company called Genie Energy was given exclusive rights to drill there and an agreement was signed between Greece, Cyprus and Israel for joint developed.
A look at Genie’s strategic planning board shows you the importance of this company’s:
Dick Cheney since 2009 (former vice president of the United States), Rupert Murdoch (media oligarch), James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head US Treasury), Bill Richardson (former Governor of New Mexico, ex-ambassador to the United Nations and United States Energy Secretary), Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Mary Landrieu, former United States Senator from Louisiana.
Also, Greek Prime Minister Samaras on 8 August 2013 at a meeting at the White House that Israel has a special role to play in supplying Europe with energy resources and supported that it can become a key energy hub. Many other EU leaders have supported the same idea.
The following year the ukraine color revolution occurred, Crimea was occupied and dombass separated from Ukraine.
In 2017 a hugh pipeline deal signed by most major continental energy actors to bring gas from Eastern Med to Europe.
The US recognized the Golan Heights as part of Israel through a presidential proclamation signed by President Trump on March 25, 2019, guaranteeing Israeli sovereignty.
In my opinionthe “Evil Actors” in Ukraine and Gaza do not include Russia.
Best of luck on your new venture.
Following two links you may find of interesting.
1) An American Thinker analysis of the Russia and Israeli territorial claims.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/russia_and_israel_annexation_and_international_law.html
2) Israel’s self’declared Divine right to Golan oil and Mediterranean oil/gas
https://www.israel365news.com/353623/israel-to-supply-natural-gas-to-europe-and-its-connection-to-a-blessing-from-deuteronomy/
3) Israel’s first shipment oil to Europe.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-exports-crude-oil-for-first-time-with-shipment-heading-for-europe/

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 3:21 utc | 245

NemesisCalling@2053
It appears that you are a devout religionist and have little knowledge of Western history, let alone international matters. Case in point is your animadversion towards those you describe as “Pagan”. One should ever question preconceptions which have been received from “authoritative” sources. When Crosstianity was imposed upon the entire Roman world by the Emperor Constantine, an avalanche of deep cultural devastation occurred. Generally speaking, official Crosstianity was primarily an urban phenomenon.
“Pagani” in the original Latin simply means “rural folk who maintain their traditions”. It rapidly became a term of opprobrium used by those deracinated urbanites. The accusation you make about Pagans being into human sacrifice, per example, does require some consideration. Was that delegation applicable to all traditional ecocentric and often cosmically aware tribal cultures? Dude, it’s the Christian historians who wrote the history books. Following the dictated fall of the Classical World, the only people who were LITERATE were priests, monks and other religious officials within “Holy” Mother Church.
Monopolization of cultural memes, a top-down dictate from that era reminds me of the growing censorship of free speech in the Collective Wa$te…and in this timescale, more egregious in the Sceptred Isle than in the U.$. Surprising? Not exactly. There remains within most Americans some levels of adherence to the Bill of Rights and the Constitutional order which those first ten Amendments enabled.
To live in a free world, we desperately need to examine each and every institution where rule from the top down not only exists but is currently being extended…most probably because THEY are losing control of the narrative in the face of the Cosmic Time Cycle which is the Great Awakening.
Calling free folk cultures “Pagan” evidences retrogressive attitudes swallowed whole and regurgitated in this public forum.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 3:36 utc | 246

Eighthman@2124
Strikes me that you are a materialist. Evolution is not strictly a matter of human breeding practices. Further, there are devolutions on a cultural basis as well as cultural evolution. What you appear to fear is the latter. Ignorance of the variations of creativeness within cultural evolution indicates either or both a not fully-digested religious upbringing OR an academicist programming in some institution of “Higher” edjumacasion, in which you did some hard time and became culturally institutionalized.
Within three weeks I shall likely become an Octogenerian…as a WarBaby who is still exploring and questing. I fear that your perspective on evolution is retrogressive and stumbling while dealing with cultural evolution, which in many instances is predicated upon a term which is a Dylan lyric: “He not busy being born is busy dying”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 3:48 utc | 247

Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 0:45 utc | 225
Well, that article you linked to is nearly a week old; a lot has changed then. By all fair accounts, Russia has stopped the incursion. Russia reserves moving on tin the area have not been destroyed in appreciable numbers. Moreover the Russian people, even the oligarchs, are clearly supporting Putin. So the article has several errors in it.
The only real correct thing the author nails 💯 is the thought the West and USA will not stop trying to Wezternize those that oppose them. Which is why they will win, because for Russia, China, Iran, and others the fight is very much for the right to stay alive. The only way the West can really win is to go nuclear, and even then they would lose because they would lose all the worker drones they need to keep their empire going. Reality is a bitch, ain’t it?

Posted by: drsmith | Aug 19 2024 3:52 utc | 248

neofeudalist@2158
When it comes to a genuine cultural revolution you are obviously a reactionary.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 3:52 utc | 249

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit.

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2024 4:03 utc | 250

HERMIUS | Aug 19 2024 1:56 utc | 244
Unless b can clean up the sockpuppets and username trolls, these comment sections are a waste of space. The empire has now hit hard here, so I wont be bothering with this site until b cleans it up.
Australian daylight hours used to be OK but now even that is today filled with the clowns along with long posts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 4:03 utc | 251

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 3:21 utc | 266
Please tell us that your Facebook recommendation was sarcasm. That place is an absolute shit show of insta-ban/time-out moderation with no recourse once you’ve been “suspended” – much like Eclownicus Musk’s Twitter/X where supposedly free speech reigns. Just don’t say anything remotely critical of Israel or NATO and you’ll be just fine!
I’m not joking by the way. Until about 6 months ago I had a sockpuppet account on Facebook that was left over from probably 2008 or 2009. I sometimes chatted (in private chats) with a couple of distant friends using the actual “chat” feature – that a lot of people including my wife and her cousins/sisters) use for normal daily texting. I was instantly put on “time out” – almost assuredly by “AI” algorithms for using the word “Nazi” in the same sentence as Ukraine and Israel. No actual moderation or appeal process available. You just have to wait until the “time out” is automatically lifted, usually a period ranging from 24 hours to 2 weeks. It’s a total fucking joke. Stay far away.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:10 utc | 252

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 19 2024 3:13 utc | 263
I don’t know what to make of Corbett. He did some great stuff – one of the first – after 9/11. And his timeline of the runup to the current Russia-NATO war in Ukraine is accurate. But then he couldn’t help himself and had to inject his garden variety Western bullshit about Xi and Putin. I get it to some extent. He’s extremely anti-war and libertarian in the “Reason” sense. But to use the word “tyrant” is a step too far for me. As earlier noted, I will continue to check in on his blog when I want to get the skeptic’s view on events (and it’s feeling like a new major false flag is imminent), but yeah I lost a lot of respect for him since the start of the SMO. I do still recommend his series on media interpretation, though. Just won’t suggest actually paying for it. At the least he touts a few good books on the topic.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:15 utc | 253

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 4:03 utc | 277
Oh golly gee, please don’t punish us by going dear leader. We need you to guide us, to tell us who to call a troll and who to tell to piss off.
And you refer to clowns? Kettle, pot, black BWA HA HA!!

Posted by: nate | Aug 19 2024 4:17 utc | 254

Calling free folk cultures “Pagan” evidences retrogressive attitudes swallowed whole and regurgitated in this public forum.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 3:36 utc | 269
Let us not forget: The majority of the Bible and doctrinal Christianity is straight up stolen from Pagan and other previous religions and customs. Everything from The Christ to Christmas Day. It’s a totally cribbed religion with a bunch of evil shit thrown in (OT) for good measure. Name me any canonical Christian precept or practice and I can easily point to a preceding religion from which it was almost assuredly “borrowed”…
And this isn’t even controversial to say within the ranks of the Church. They gave specific orders not to tear down “Pagan” places of worship in what’s now Great Britain (just one example I’m familiar with) but rather to maintain them, albeit with a Crucifix in place of whatever was there before once they’d purged the “Old Gods” from the minds of the peasants.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:23 utc | 255

Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 4:20 utc | 281
Be careful with the George Floyd analogies. There are probably numerous readers at MoA who have allowed themselves to be convinced that it wasn’t actually the cop who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes that killed him, but rather anything from the drugs Floyd had allegedly taken to his pre-existing medical condition to his being a not very savory character. In fact the rightwingnuts have a whole movie dedicated to the supposed miscarriage of justice that landed Chauvin in prison for the murder he committed on video for everyone to see.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:26 utc | 256

Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:10 utc | 278
It was sarcasm but also sort of trial balloon.

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 4:30 utc | 257

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 19 2024 4:30 utc | 284
LOL! I figured the former.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:31 utc | 258

In response to

Within three weeks I shall likely become an Octogenerian…as a WarBaby who is still exploring and questing. I fear that your perspective on evolution is retrogressive and stumbling while dealing with cultural evolution, which in many instances is predicated upon a term which is a Dylan lyric: “He not busy being born is busy dying”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 3:48 utc | 271

I turn 76 a week or so after your birthday and am writing this to note that my version all these years is “Those not busy being born are busy dying” and credit your taste in culling Dylan lyrics.
Hey Unnamed, nate, Desiderata and other johnny-come-recently to the MoA bar. Do you not see how boldly your BS stands out here? You may pollute the comment sections at blogs like this but the folks that pay you to push BS like you do are losing and you will need to find merit worth work when that happens….good luck with that.
I agree with your taking time off Peter AU1….lets these barfleas contaminate each other with group masturbation

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2024 4:36 utc | 259

The Bloodiest Battle of the Chosen Company | Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djtM6MHFXEk

413,050 views 13 Aug 2024
To capitalize on the sweeping success of Operation Pervo-1 the Chosen Company with the other units of the 59th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have decided to execute a bold large-scale offensive that would see the entirety of the company deployed on the battlefield. Four teams would assault, trying to push through in the village of Pervomaiske, just 10 kilometers away from Donetsk. This operation, nicknamed Pervo-2, would become their hardest and bloodiest battle.
This is the first part of the film. The second part will be released in a week.

Don’t know if this link has been posted in the sewer that has been these [recent] threads.
@34m an aussie gives aussie style instruction…
Going on safari against Russians doesn’t seem to be the fun, easystreet of shooting gallery like targeting at sandal wearing rusty kalashnikovs.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 19 2024 4:40 utc | 260

Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:10 utc | 278
Its getting tough to even lurk here.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 19 2024 4:49 utc | 261

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 19 2024 4:49 utc | 292
Man now you have me worried that was a dig on me. I sure hope I’m not a reason for people not to want to lurk here. I did it for many years. If I’m one of the causes for your sentiments, I apologize and look for any positive/constructive advice on how not to be a dick myself.
Stepping back from my paranoid ledge, I know what you mean. The comments have lost so many valuable (and also shit) commentators over the past 2 years. It’s really hard to follow a coherent, relevant and interesting thread these days, so I get you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:55 utc | 262

Its getting tough to even lurk here.
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 19 2024 4:49 utc | 292

As a fellow lurker, I hear you. That’s the entire purpose of these trolls though. Sparetruth nailed it when he called it the thread equivalent of a DoS attack, although DDoS would be more accurate. They want MoA readers to get frustrated and move on. Don’t give them the satisfaction by giving up. Identify them and just scroll past. Don’t engage and they’ll fade away like the many, many, many others before.

Posted by: Dystopian | Aug 19 2024 4:58 utc | 263

All you’re going to do is convince people (likely wrongly) that your intent is to disrupt the mostly casual and/or good faith conversation here.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:50 utc | 293

It’s like with the qweer reading hour – do not ask why kids should listen to pedos, ask why pedos want kids to listen to them.
Same here – the main quesrion is not why we need to read trolls’ shit, but why they so desperately need us to read it.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 19 2024 5:02 utc | 264

why they so desperately need us to read it.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 19 2024 5:02 utc | 297
And in the case in point, why they use so many keystrokes to prove to us that their shit absolutely is not worth reading (again with the disclaimer that POSSIBLY that person has something useful to say?).
BOLD FACE. Italics. Blockquotes. MASSIVE PARAGRAPHS of EMPTY BULLSHIT. I just don’t get it. Maybe we’re not “on the spectrum” – no offense intended to those who are, but still happen to be well meaning and genuine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 5:06 utc | 265

In response to

Don’t engage and they’ll fade away like the many, many, many others before.
Posted by: Dystopian | Aug 19 2024 4:58 utc | 296

Good thoughts and what I normally do is share my comments and say hello to a few others but these recent ones are as sick as those they support…genocide, torture, etc.
Don’t get frustrated by the fleas b
We will survive this like all the rest before.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2024 5:07 utc | 266

Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 5:06 utc | 299
Cocaine or Adderall or Alcohol are all helluva drugs.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 5:18 utc | 267

spare_truth_01 | Aug 19 2024 4:47 utc | 291
My seeping patterns/bodyclock have been quite messed up since becoming ill so I tend to read and comment at any hour. In the past, daylight time and early evening eastern Australia time is generally low or no troll activity and late night and through the early morning hours here is high troll activity.
But once the username usurper/s begin, its a waste of time. I left when it was obvious that was occurring early this morning.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 4:55 utc | 294 “I sure hope I’m not a reason for people not to want to lurk here.”
I doubt it. Plenty of different opinions by genuine people are very much part and parcel of what b set up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 5:26 utc | 268

why is this place allowed to exist in the first place? big bro is fine with everyone exposing everything in this forum for everyone to read? why is it allowed to exist?

Posted by: fart | Aug 19 2024 5:30 utc | 269

HERMIUS 203
“UKRAINE MOBILE GROUPS BEING HUNTED AND DESTROYED IN KURSK WITH SUCCESS
Units of the Russian Army began searching for and destroying mobile groups of the AFU that had penetrated deep into the territory…”
Unlike at the Donbas front, where territorial forces and conscripts bear the brunt of Russian attacks, Ukrainian casualties on Kursk are either elite troops or NAZO immigrants dressed up as Ukrainian. So high value human targets for the Russians, a lot of Na3i tattoo scalp trophys.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 19 2024 5:40 utc | 270

I doubt it. Plenty of different opinions by genuine people are very much part and parcel of what b set up.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 5:26 utc | 305
Rare to find people with thick skins these days. And all of us normal people will occasionally say what might be considered stupid shit. Myself obviously included.
Take it easy Peter. You’re a guy who lets crap roll off his back, as am I. Glad I’m not pissing off any of the real regulars, but even then I’ll be occasionally happy when I do. Good night (here anyway, it’s late).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 19 2024 5:59 utc | 271

why is this place allowed to exist in the first place? big bro is fine with everyone exposing everything in this forum for everyone to read? why is it allowed to exist?
Posted by: fart | Aug 19 2024 5:30 utc | 306

A data-driven surveillance-state requires input to feed the analysis.
When all else fails, censorship is the only solution. That this site still exists therefore implies that “all else” has not yet failed. BS-narrative works on 7/8ths of a given population. The remaining 1/8th needs to be monitored.
If you drive all discussion underground, then the data-models starve for input, and a Staasi-op is sub-optimal.
see “за столом” (za stolom, “around the table”) in Soviet states. You can drive unsanctioned discussion away from the ear-shot of the Secret Police, but you can’t actually stop it.

Posted by: retroflecks | Aug 19 2024 6:02 utc | 272

“I believe the existing God Of Mammon cult of private finance is Flintstones-like, and we of the West are living the barbarian life” [very lightly edited for punctuation and spelling]
“Do you?”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 19 2024 1:35 utc | 236
“I do! The Zionazis that run the US don’t just call you a troll when you simply disagree with their genocide in Gaza.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 1:58 utc | 246
Worthy and thoughtful posts. Had to scroll through a lot of junk on this thread see a few scattered gems like these.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 19 2024 6:15 utc | 273

For the regulars or any genuine newcomers, I ran onto a youtube channel that looks to do quite good big picture analysis of the 404 conflict.
Tears holes in the propaganda media but in an entertaining way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcERynELwIQ
Might be handy to send on to to relo’s and friends that know little more than what the lying MSM tells them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 6:17 utc | 274

“They (we) cant’ even stop their govt’s support of Israel carrying out an inhuman genocide, so they sure won’t get them to stop attacking Russia unjustly and starting endless proxy wars, or an all out war against Russia. The ‘people’ in the west and others will back their govts for all out war on Russia.” [very lightly edited for grammar and punctuation to improve clarity].
“Russia is ‘evil’ and Putin is a ‘dictator’, you see. You can’t actually fight such successful unrelenting propaganda and lies which have become entrenched beliefs and self-evident ‘truths’ to the majority.”
“Without major help that is backed by overwhelming military force – in the long term, Putin’s govt and Russia are fucked.”
“That’s my say.”
Posted by: Desiderata | Aug 19 2024 1:58 utc | 247
You make some very good points. You may be too black-pilled, though.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 19 2024 6:33 utc | 275

@Jake Blanchard | Aug 19 2024 2:56 utc | 258

But today, Zelensky provides the dumbest reasoning of all — “to create a buffer zone against future Russian incursions”. This is pure delusion, pure fiction, pure damage control PR.

It is reverse projection. The Russians have repeatedly stated they need to establish a buffer zone against NATO. Zelensky in desperation just reverses the idea, which he took from the Russians.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2024 6:34 utc | 276

Zelensky in desperation just reverses the idea, which he took from the Russians.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2024 6:34 utc | 332
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Well yes, from a point of rhetoric. And in reality, it’s laughable. Little 404 could never have a “protection zone” from big ol’ Russia. They haven’t held LDR and DRP borders thus far!!! And what fkn good would a 20 kms buffer zone be against even Kursk Oblast. Lololol. It’s just domestic audience cope.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 19 2024 7:01 utc | 277

No. Urban Fox have completely missed the point the author was making there and in the article overall. You’re way too narrow minded (myopic) and only thinking in the past and weeks ahead …. NATO has many options including a mobilization and conscription …. no one can stop if they go that way. Russia cannot stop NATO or the USA continuing to breech red-lines and escalate the War anytime they want too. One press conference and a week of Media Propaganda (like 2003 Iraq) and it’s a done deal.
The People are not going to stop them – the people will demand such a war against the evil Russians and Putin who have invaded and then defeated Ukraine, and are next ‘threatening’ to invade the Baltics, Poland and Finland.
People are stupid! Stop pretending and hoping they aren’t. Europeans, Americans and 5 eyes Japan Korean people already overwhelming back the war against Russia!
What’s the point? The US and NATO are not going to stop being beligerant against Russia in order to crush it, and if that eventually means they need to do a Nato invasion of Crimea they will.
They cannot stop because RUSSIA IS EVIL and the Majority of People actually believe it.
The authoritarians here have their own definition of troll, and you won’t change them by pointing out the obvious. I used to come here for the discussion, now I mainly drop in for the laughs.
Posted by: Crater | Aug 19 2024 1:37 utc | 237
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No I got the hyperbolic point entirely, just as I got the others with featuring silly analogies.
Painting NATO as it would *want* to be painted ruthless, nefarious & mighty, with all foes helpless victims of an inescapable fate.
No NATO can’t escalate any time it wants! Proven by the fact it hasn’t. The original plan was for sanctions to quickly implode the RF economy & bring down Putin. That failed quickly & utterly. There is no real “battlefield” Plan B.
No NATO can’t engage in mass conscription, because the prerequisites of building such an army, much less sustaining it no longer exist. Building it really isn’t possible either, the sheer cost is prohibitive and materially impractical.
“The people” are lazily negative about Russia, but hardly love their own regimes either. They may complacently support the NATO policy in Ukraine. They won’t take up arms and die for it. Assuming such arms even exist (they don’t).
NATO bigwigs can wank themselves into a coma about breaking Russia, but that just makes them wankers. Nothing more.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 19 2024 7:09 utc | 278

🇷🇺🇺🇦Toretsk and Pokrovsk direction: what the enemy writes…
Judging by the post of this Ukrainian officer, the enemy command in the Toretsk and Pokrovsk directions has lost control over its troops.
Which leads to a rapid retreat and the impossibility of building a new line of defense, disorganization and segmentation of the enemy’s defensive formations, among other things, leads to our rapid advance here.
And also new tactics for carrying out attacks. No columns, only small assault groups equipped with good electronic warfare and new FPV drones, which sometimes cause panic in Ukrainian military (since their electronic warfare is not yet capable of fighting them)
Plus they (like us) still have the problem of fake reports, which, given the dire situation, only adds to the confusion and problems.
To sum up all of the above, I am satisfied with the enemy’s hysteria.
– ISZ

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1825423022800408951

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 19 2024 7:14 utc | 279

Wisco | Aug 19 2024 7:07 utc | 339
b also used to police the site and remove the worst of the scum.
He put in a post at the start of the SMO that he would no longer police due to the sheer number of comments, though did say to email him if there were sockpuppet, username hijackers ect.
Of late, coupled to the kursk mainstream media/social media campaign, those types are so thick as to make threads unreadable especially in the Atlantic time Zone – North America/Canada and Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 7:16 utc | 280

Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
🇺🇦🇷🇺 Ukrainian POW promised that he did not loot the Pyatorochka grocery store in Kursk region, but that video was found on his phone.
Every single person who was in that store is found.

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1825276182826238228
Video from the phone at the link. Incredible how dumb the Ukroids are having enough evidence on their phone or gopro to convict them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 7:24 utc | 281

ZelenskogoNato continues throwing more reserves of Armed Forces of Ukraine into the Kursk region. The dumb media will praise it as a decisive offensive, but fail to mention it’s all bogged down and they are reserves that were sent to replace the first ones that were already destroyed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi1YcS5acH8

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 19 2024 7:25 utc | 282

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2024 6:51 utc | 335

It proves that the ordinary discussion here is considered a value to be destroyed.

Quite likely, considering they put so much effort into this disruption.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 19 2024 7:37 utc | 283

AMK Mapping 🇺🇦🇳🇿
@AMK_Mapping_
Following the blowing of the two bridges over the Seym river at the settlements of Glushkovo and Zvannoe, it is highly likely in my opinion that Ukrainian forces will advance across the international border and attempt to capture all of the territory south of the river.
Ukrainian forces have likely captured or are contesting the settlement of Krasnooktyabr’skoe, which lies on the eastern bank of the Seym river at the end of the spearhead shown on the map. Additionally, Russian milblogger “Romanov” claimed that Ukrainian forces destroyed the third and final bridge over the river (Bridges are circled in red on the map).
If both of these reports are true, then it would essentially cut off the Russian groupings in the southern portion of Glushkovsky district and would make future Ukrainian offensive operations here much easier to conduct.
However, the fact that Ukrainian forces already control the dominant heights south of the international border means that it would have been a downhill advance anyway, and the blowing of the bridges will be the final nail in the coffin for southern Glushkovsky district for the time being.
The good news for Russia is that the northern bank of the Seym river is much, much more elevated than the southern bank, meaning that it would be very difficult for the AFU to accumulate in the settlements along the southern bank due to the Russians having fire control and surveillance over them.
Evacuations of all civilians in the Glushkovsky district are already underway, with the Russian command likely having already anticipated the blowing of the bridges following the AFU reaching the Seym river.

https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/1825429355809701975
Looks like Nato are going to throw a lot of cannon fodder to the north.
Belarus has moved a lot of its military forces to face the nato cannon fodder on that border. Lukashenko said something about Nato still having a lot of Ukroid cannon fodder. I guess we will get to see in the F16 offensive.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 7:38 utc | 284

I now understand why Larry Johnson over at SONAR21.COM decided to introduce user registration.
Just to get a grip on those select people with too much time on their hands who just post to insult other posters.

Posted by: Martina | Aug 19 2024 7:40 utc | 285

UAV S-70 “Okhotnik” is ready for serial production
The Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (NAZ) has confirmed that the S-70 Okhotnik unmanned attack aircraft is in the preliminary testing stage and is preparing for the production of a pilot batch.
The S-70 Okhotnik can carry various types of weapons, including air-to-ground missiles and precision bombs, making it a versatile weapon for engaging a variety of targets, from ground targets to enemy aircraft. Equipped with high-resolution optical and infrared sensors, the drone can accurately identify targets even in difficult conditions.
The S-70 Okhotnik, also known as the Okhotnik-B, is an advanced stealth attack drone developed by Sukhoi, part of the United Aircraft Corporation. The drone is designed to operate alongside manned fighters such as the Su-57, greatly enhancing Russia’s air-to-air capabilities.
The S-70 has an estimated range of approximately 6,000 kilometers, allowing it to carry out long missions without frequent refueling. This characteristic, combined with stealth and modern weaponry, makes the Okhotnik an important strategic asset for the Russian armed forces.

https://x.com/SMO_VZ/status/1824906338670891266

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 7:46 utc | 286

🇺🇦🇷🇺📝 With the frontline inching ever closer and two of the three defensive lines in front of the city having been broken through, let’s talk about the importance of Pokrovsk.
🔸 Pokrovsk is located in the western Donbass, on the M30 highway. The Donbass is often depicted as the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts, but that is not correct — the Donets Coal Basin stretches all the way to Pavlograd in Dnepropetrovsk oblast. The M30 highway connects Donetsk to Pokrovsk to Pavlograd to Dnepropetrovsk; it is also the main route from Kiev to Donetsk. It is the central supply artery for all supply that reaches the Ukrainian forces in the Donbass (there’s still the M03 from Kharkov, but it’s less convenient and has always been secondary, particularly for the southern half of the Donbass).
🔸 When it was further from the frontlines, Pokrovsk was a perfect operational rear for the AFU in the Donbass, capable of quickly supplying Ukrainian troops near Donetsk, Gorlovka, and Artemovsk/Bakhmut. It has a perfect connection to the AFU’s strategic rear in Pavlograd (you may remember various Russian air strikes against railway infrastructure in Pavlograd).
🔸 West of Pokrovsk, there are a hundred kilometers of nothing. Empty steppes until you hit Pavlograd in the northwest, Zaporozhye in the southwest. There are various operations RuAF could employ after capturing Pokrovsk; we will look at them later, when the deed is actually done. But what’s important is that it opens up operational space for the Russian “Center” group and gives them freedom of movement.
🔸 Additionally, Pokrovsk is a major railway hub, and is located on one of the two rail arteries that can be used to supply the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration, and control over it would unlock the entire Donbass railway junction for Russia.

https://t.me/intelslava/65217

Posted by: Down South | Aug 19 2024 7:52 utc | 287

Our source reports that the Russians have solved the Kursk case issue with minimal costs. They stopped the advance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the help of the Lancet UAV, reconnaissance drones, FPV drones and aviation. At the same time, they did not have to transfer thousands of soldiers from the front line, which was so expected on Bankova.
But the Russian Armed Forces have begun to put maximum pressure on Donbass and are forcing the Ukrainian Armed Forces to retreat constantly and everywhere. This could lead to small and large cauldrons. Then the entire Kursk adventure will turn from a victory into a betrayal.
Another source of ours indicates that Syrsky convinced Zelensky to transfer additional reserves not to the Kursk direction, but to the Donbass.
Zelensky seems to have refused, since the Kursk adventure is more important for the image than the entire Donbass direction.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18555

Posted by: Down South | Aug 19 2024 7:53 utc | 288

🔥 Kursk
The last bridge across the Seim River has been destroyed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Therefore, we can say that Kyiv’s immediate task in this area will be an attempt to cut off part of the Glushkovsky districts, which we wrote about the other day.
If we believe the Western press that Zelensky demands to deepen the breakthrough, and Syrsky advocates for expanding the flanks, then this is Syrsky’s concept. It’s a bird in the hand.
The choice of such a simple task indicates a shortage of reserves. Perhaps they are being saved for another place, or perhaps they are simply running out.

https://t.me/ZeRada1/21062

🇺🇦🔥🇷🇺 Novogrodsko-Selidovo offensive operation of the Russian Armed Forces
On the Pokrovsk sector of the front, the cascade of Karlovsk reservoirs was a very powerful natural line of defense, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces counted on. Covered by a high bank from the western part, it was considered practically impregnable from the east.
This is almost 12 km from north to south, which in the north were fixed by the hill on which the village of Progres is located. In the south, the Volchya River reached the Kurakhovsk reservoir.
In general, the last, but very powerful natural line on this section of the front.
After taking Ocheretino, the Russian Armed Forces went further along the railway line, which runs along the ridge. Of course, the most dangerous direction was the northwest, which threatened to cut the Pokrovsk-Konstantinovka highway. There they were stopped, but they moved to the southwest, which created a crisis at the operational-strategic level, since it threatens the loss of the last natural line of defense in the South Donbass direction.
This maneuver allows the Russian Armed Forces to bypass the entire cascade of the Karlovskoye reservoirs and attack along it from north to south. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are simply forced to retreat in this area. The territory to the east of the Karlovskoye reservoir is already lost, since it is systematically cut off from the north.
If the situation is not stabilized in the coming days and the Russian Armed Forces take Selidovo or Novogrodovka, then a crisis will occur for the entire territory located to the east (approximately 50 km2). Moreover, these settlements are located on the western slope of the ridge, which means that the Russian Armed Forces will simply gradually “roll” onto the huge flat territory to the west all the way to the Dnipropetrovsk region.
That is why we believe that the coming days will be decisive for this section of the front. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces lose Novogrodovka or Selilovo at the current pace of retreat, then everything described is a matter of time.

https://t.me/ZeRada1/21065

Posted by: Down South | Aug 19 2024 7:56 utc | 289

Troll reserves have been rushed in, good guess is Kursk and the Donbas front are about to collapse.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2024 7:57 utc | 290

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Front #Report for the Morning of 19 August 2024⚡️
🔴On the #Zaporozhye Front, positional fighting continues, and with it, information about the concentration of AFU forces and means in this direction continues to be received. (Fig. 1)
🔴On the #Donetsk Front, heavy fighting continues in #Konstantinovka.
🟡In #Krasnogorovka, the RFAF continue to drive the Ukrainian garrison out of the town. In #Karlovka, fighting also continues, with no significant changes.
🟡In #Grodovka, there are advances of Russian troops. The RFAF are also advancing towards #Kamyshevka, #Marinovka and #Novogrodovka.
🟡#NyuYork settlement was liberated. There are active offensive operations of the RFAF in #Dzerzhinsk. (Fig. 2)
🔴On the #Kharkov Front, no significant changes. Fighting continues in #Volchansk and in the area of #Glubokoye. (Fig. 3)
🔴In the #Kursk Region, there are no significant changes on the ground. However, according to reports from the field, in some areas the RFAF are methodically knocking the AFU out of the occupied territories. This is most likely due to the fact that small groups were moving deep into the territory and did not have enough time and personnel to consolidate their positions.
📜 Wargonzo

https://t.me/sitreports/33196

Posted by: Down South | Aug 19 2024 7:58 utc | 291

Yuriy Podolyaka:
Pokrovsk direction: the enemy is in chaos and panic…
Exactly so. Moreover, Ukrainian paramilitary channels, judging by the posts in their feeds, no longer hope for stabilization of the situation on the current line.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have a line of defense as such. There are attempts to provide focal resistance, by those units that have not lost control and combat capability, but we are bypassing their positions on the flanks (where the enemy is demoralized).
Thus, yesterday and overnight we managed to wedge into the enemy’s defenses on the Novogrodovsky section south and north of the city. Our entry into the settlement of Krutoy Yar, which opens up good prospects for us in the direction of Mirnograd, was especially unpleasant for the army of the Kiev regime.
We also took Kamyshovka without a fight, from where the enemy, following its garrisons on the eastern bank of the Volchya River, fled in panic (fearing encirclement).
We continue to move towards the settlements of Ptichye and Memrik. The loss of the latter will be a death sentence for Karlovka, which the enemy has been holding stubbornly for about a month now. As well as our further exit to the northern high bank of the Volchya River, from which the logistics of the Eastern part of the Kurahoa Front of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be in the palm of our hand.
In general, so far what is happening here is the best thing that has happened to us in the last year. We keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/geromanat/32296

Posted by: Down South | Aug 19 2024 8:00 utc | 292

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the OP said that Zelensky is satisfied with the results of the Kursk operation and demands that Syrsky not slow down. Bankova is confident that they will be able to get permission from the West to launch missile strikes on Russian territory as early as September, when the US elections are at the finish line and the Biden Administration needs to win on the Ukrainian track, and that Democratic candidate Camilla Harris could beat Trump.,
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost 400 units of equipment during the Kursk operation and are forced to constantly transfer new equipment to the region to hold their positions and continue the attack. Syrsky personally oversees all the processes and transfers the best brigades/units from the Eastern Front in order to continue the onslaught of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and not repeat the fate of Bakhmut.

https://t.me/s/rezident_ua

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 8:03 utc | 293

“…though did say to email him if there were sockpuppet, username hijackers ect.
Of late, coupled to the kursk mainstream media/social media campaign, those types are so thick as to make threads unreadable especially in the Atlantic time Zone – North America/Canada and Europe.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 7:16 utc |
You do usually have a good nose for sniffing out the sockpuppets and the most disengenuous diseenting posters here. But don’t let that mission consume you too much. Last week, you unjustly accused james of being “fake james”, and it looked a bit paranoid.
Hey, it is gonna be a big deadly war soon so it’s probably more forgivable now for people to take such vehemently partisan sides. You Aussies though never experienced a real, violent, hard war on your island/continent. Nothing like the US Civil War. You are always safe on your giant island in the South Pacific.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 19 2024 8:09 utc | 294

Posted by: Down South | Aug 19 2024 7:56 utc | 361
Glushkovo and Tetkino IMO can be ceded. These villages inherently have no strategic value for the AFU, as the main effort is NW and SE of Sudzha and that is where most AFU reserves are plowed. If the RUAF holds them there then AFU then Glushkovo and Tetkino can be taken back at leisure, after Sudzha. In fact, a potential offensive into Sumy will most likely force AFU to abandon Glushkovo and Tetkino and much more.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 19 2024 8:11 utc | 295

Wisco | Aug 19 2024 8:09 utc | 369
These clowns that I have hit here instantly revered to both username hijacking and sockpupets. Same user using many different names.
What sort of a person does that? Paid trolls. Empire and twitter Nafo talking points were being massively pushed here in conjunction with Kursk..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 8:16 utc | 296

https://t.me/s/rezid | Aug 19 2024 8:08 utc | 368
Not sure what happened there. That was mine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 8:17 utc | 297

As our host is recovering from serious health issues and therefore not able to hold up his monitoring standards, may i ask you all to stop personal insults.
Thank you

Posted by: HEL | Aug 19 2024 8:24 utc | 298

Wisco
In b’s about page
“Moon Of Alabama was opened as an independent, open forum for members of the Whiskey Bar community.”
That became the MoA community. Since I started hitting the trolls that were destroying these Kursk threads, the Nafo talking point they have been told to push here is “cult’.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 8:28 utc | 299

I am not sure if down south has already posted this, but if he has I will post it again anyway. I think the offensive to the south with the F16s will be the main Nato offensive – possibly strikes on ZNPP in conjunction with dirty bombs will be part of it.

Zaporizhzhya Front
Against the backdrop of events in the Kursk region, which began too long before the US elections to be the main blow of the West and Kyiv, more and more information is coming in about the intentions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to go on the offensive on the Zaporizhzhya Front.
In particular, the enemy was pulling equipment and fuel tankers to Orekhov, ours covered the enemy concentration with Iskander. Senator Rogozin previously wrote that one of the targets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in this attack would be the Zaporizhzhya NPP. The strikes of the Ukrainian UAVs on the station only confirm its aspirations for the facility.
Today it became clear that the enemy is accumulating large forces in the Kamenskoye (north of Vasilyevka) direction, including a lot of armored vehicles. Its quantity may be sufficient for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to believe in the success of the events in vain.
If Kiev decides to lose more people in attacks on the Zaporizhzhya Front, then the probable directions of attacks will be the Zaporizhzhya NPP and the Vasilyevka-Tokmak highway, including in order to create conditions for an exit further south in the direction of Melitopol.
✨Many officers after the Kursk events say that one of the tasks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Kursk Bulge is to divert attention from the southern direction. The Zaporizhzhya Front, as well as the Kherson region and the western coast of Crimea, are considered by the enemy as probable directions of action. The strikes by American missiles on the Crimean Bridge only confirm such aspirations.
This time, after the Kursk region, the readiness of our forces is much higher.
Two majors

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 8:40 utc | 300