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August 16, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-194
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From the MOA about page.
This site’s purpose is to discuss politics, economics, philosophy and blogger Billmon’s Whiskey Bar writings.
Some time ago, the commenting at Billmon’s Whiskey Bar became a bit excessive. Billmon therefore closed the comments at his place on June 29, 2004. The community of commentators was left behind to search for a new place.
Moon Of Alabama was opened as an independent, open forum for members of the Whiskey Bar community.
Bernhard started and still runs the site. Once a while you will also find posts and art from regular commentators.
I guess most of those originally from the whisky bar have dropped out, fallen of their perch by now. Also the discussion on these threads is about war as in an extension of politics.
A mass influx of trolls side by side the massive perception management operation accompanying the Nato foray into Russia made these threads unreadable.
Sockpuppets – username trolls can destroy it completely, so anyone having their name usurped, send an email to b. Likely just the one clown doing this.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 17 2024 1:43 utc | 401
The News reports of this unconvincing invasion, and the context-free video clips, make this exercise look like a clumsy re-make of the 1959 movie The Mouse That Roared – with added jews and no happy ending.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 17 2024 1:49 utc | 402
Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 17 2024 1:49 utc | 416
According to the Ukie channels, the video of the first couple of days are being rationed out to make the ‘great victory’ last longer.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 17 2024 1:53 utc | 403
How bloody difficult is it to set up a simple system for user verification? Is there any reason it hasn’t been done already?
Posted by: GCHQ Night Shift | Aug 17 2024 1:54 utc | 404
418 was NOT us. It was the user name troll.
Nevertheless, it’s a good question.
Posted by: GCHQ Night Shift | Aug 17 2024 1:55 utc | 405
How bloody difficult is it to set up a simple system for user verification? Is there any reason it hasn’t been done already?
Posted by: GCHQ Night Shift | Aug 17 2024 1:54 utc | 418
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It’s not difficult. It’s just beyond the capabilities of the Typepad software, which is what we’re stuck with.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2024 2:01 utc | 406
look child, you dont know how things work. nothing has changed despite your fantasies. b will jave to ban malenkov’s email address because jerks like you would abuse it. you will not be albe to shield yourself by using it. you dont know saner’s email so any email you use along with saner’s user id will get banned. this is just how it always was. learn how to program. you will understand computers better.
Posted by: frkorz | Aug 17 2024 1:38 utc | 411
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btw “malenkov@gmail.com” is a typo. If it exists, it’s not me, so please spare the owner of that address (if it exists) any grief!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2024 2:06 utc | 407
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 16 2024 10:25 utc | 8
Excellent points and it exposes issues where i disagree fundamentally with Andrei Martyanovs rather cold attitude towards the Ukraine.
Lets look at the history: if the USSR was devastated by WW2, the Ukraines position as a buffer Zone was reinforced by Moscow, to the extent that by 1980, there were reports that in PPP-terms, the average ukrainian was better off than the average west German, inspite of the latters rapid rise due to Marshall Aid. Recall the 100 factory ships built by the ukraine, the Antonov aircraft factory, the Zaporotzets car plant…the Severodonetsk chemical facility – which was bigger than BASF in Baden Wuerttemberg. THEN there was the western plus ukie mafia plundering from 1990 to 2000 which stripped the ukraine of all this wealth. Martyanov for example looks on the Ukraine as a basket-case…but in relaity, it has ginormous potential. Why else does the west have such an intense interest in the Ukraine? statements by the Rothshilds / Soros / Lindsey Graham / Victoria Nudelland et al, all show that they absolutely swear by the vast resources that they covet there…
so i tend to view the land as offering vast potential for new development under a beneficial Russian militarised dictatorship (which will be needed to filter out all foreigners with predatory insincts).
So too, i make a separation between the land and the people who occupy that land. yes the threat from the brainwashed and banderists will be eventiually fully eliminated, either through attrition or a new wave of emigration to Canada…leaving the land open to settlement by the more deserving, who are willing to assist Russia to stabilise this region and turn it again into a prosperous and peaceful buffer-zone…i know of many Russian ethnic women still living there, who would like a return to sanity and help repopulate the region…
And no…it is NOT that the Ukrainians who stay are now only the brainwashed (as Martyanov states). There are many who simply did not have the funds and contacts, to escape, so they know they are in a CIA created totalitarian system and are just waiting for the Russian forces to arrive…
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Posted by: Analyst | Aug 17 2024 2:10 utc | 408
Posted by: GCHQ Night Shift | Aug 17 2024 1:55 utc | 419
I post and view media like this on a disposable bought used device with no identifying info through a cash paid vpn out of the country.
Many here that aren’t retired probably face the same punishments if their posts were ever tied to their real ID:
Losing their job and income.
Losing the ability to have a checking/bank/CC account
Being targeted by crazies
Getting the Tulsi Gabbard treatment or worse, the no fly list.
Any registration system is a big risk.
The minute you do that and start adding moderators you’ll just end up with an echo chamber of old farts.
Ignore the trolls or those you dislike, quit whining about user names OR lose one of the few places where free speech actually exists in practice.
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 17 2024 2:14 utc | 409
How bloody difficult is it to set up a simple system for user verification? Is there any reason it hasn’t been done already?
Posted by: GCHQ Night Shift | Aug 17 2024 1:54 utc | 418
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It’s not difficult. It’s just beyond the capabilities of the Typepad software, which is what we’re stuck with.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 17 2024 2:01 utc | 420
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B could go to a PAY ONLY comment list, at least the trolls would help b cover the cost of operating MoA. NO pay, no comment?
Posted by: Ed | Aug 17 2024 2:18 utc | 410
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 17 2024 2:14 utc | 423
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Still, if someone uses your username ID, you should point it out in a short comment, so that others don’t think you just went bat shit crazy.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 17 2024 2:23 utc | 411
Posted by: Ed | Aug 17 2024 2:23 utc | 425
On that I agree.
They come in waves and if ignored they tend to go away especially after whatever event brought them out is over or out of the news.
Either we manage it and restrain ourselves or lose it.
B is one guy with limited time and resources.
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 17 2024 2:27 utc | 412