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August 16, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-194
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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It looks like Russia is successful, and Ukraine – in reality, the USA – is doing everything they can to provoke Russia, to make Russia change strategy. Posted by: Passerby | Aug 16 2024 16:17 utc | 101 The English propaganda state tv news channel- the BBC, reporting today that the Neo-Nazi/Nato incursion into Kursk – only happened to try and bring Putin around the negotiating table, to bring about a ceasefire. Posted by: Bob | Aug 16 2024 16:19 utc | 102 Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 16 2024 15:00 utc | 68 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 16 2024 16:19 utc | 103 two German generals salivating over Russians killing Russians and discussing how Germany can further assist with that by planning to supply Kiev with about 30 Leopard 1 tanks, 400 MRAP armored vehicles, 4 IRIS-T anti-aircraft systems, 10 Gepard ZSUs, 12 PzH 2000 self-propelled guns, 4 Zuzana 2 self-propelled guns, and an RCH 155 self-propelled gun by the end of the year. Posted by: Jo | Aug 16 2024 16:24 utc | 104
Why is it important for anyone to see your butthurt whining? Beyond it being off-topic, do you really think anyone actually cares?
You are arguing with a bot… ChatNSDAP large language model. They are notoriously literal-minded. Just observe how crossed up its wires get if you call someone a ‘cunt’ and that person doesn’t have a cunt. Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2024 16:32 utc | 105
You make a lot of sense but I will (again) venture a prediction based on what little understanding I have of the Russian/Putin general approach, which tends to be almost pedantically legalistic, stodgy. With that premise in mind: @roger: another fine overview. Thanks. I am unable to understand how it is that Ukraine keeps taking such huge losses every day, week, month and year and confess that part of me suspects this whole thing is a carefully crafted fiction. None of the coverage explains how it is that Ukraine keeps fielding so many capable of such extended, if ultimately fruitless, resistance. How is this organized? What sort of morale do they have? How does it actually work? After over two years I have zero feeling for it whatsoever. Similar to the internal political dynamic in Western polities, nothing makes much sense any more. Before year end, few ‘gringo’ Vulture Funds will be knocking at the Mariinskyi Palace in country 404. No other than $156 billions (“B”) are now at stake and by the time this latest adventure reaches its forced end by the mighty Russians; w could be talking a figure close to $170B. Posted by: AI | Aug 16 2024 16:36 utc | 108 Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 16 2024 14:27 utc | 58
The western news cycle, lol! It’s a nuisance to us and it’s nothing to the Russians. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 16 2024 16:39 utc | 109 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2024 16:32 utc | 105 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 15:26 utc | 80 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 16:45 utc | 111 Addendum to above comment – Syrski of course had a reputation as a butcher who didn’t care about his men, but if even he was against Kursk, then just imagine how his death could lead to an even worse butcher being installed by NATO. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 16:47 utc | 112 Thanks to @Down South | Aug 16 2024 6:38 utc | 431 in the FT War Crime thread for this post from the Legitimniy channel, reposted here, because it flags up something I’ve been thinking and saying for some time; the precarious financial and economic predicament of Ukraine dictates the pace of events (and the outcome) just as much as military actions.
This is an aspect of the conflict that the trolls and naysayers ignore, but never explain why they ignore it. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 16:48 utc | 113 Posted by: Jo | Aug 16 2024 16:24 utc | 104 Posted by: Passerby | Aug 16 2024 16:51 utc | 114 Looks like the assault into Kursk is done for, all the trolls have left MoA! Posted by: Ezzie | Aug 16 2024 16:55 utc | 115 To the last Ukrainian….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 16:55 utc | 116 No vargas. They obviously walk into the nearest supermarket and buy the food. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 16 2024 16:57 utc | 117 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 16:48 utc | 113 Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 16 2024 16:57 utc | 118 Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 16 2024 16:57 utc | 118 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 17:06 utc | 119 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 16:45 utc | 111
You say that like it’s a bad thing. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 16 2024 17:08 utc | 120 Thanks to @Down South | Aug 16 2024 6:38 utc | 431 in the FT War Crime thread for this post from the Legitimniy channel, reposted here, because it flags up something I’ve been thinking and saying for some time; the precarious financial and economic predicament of Ukraine dictates the pace of events (and the outcome) just as much as military actions. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 16 2024 17:11 utc | 121 @ Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 16 2024 15:34 utc | 85 Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 16 2024 17:12 utc | 122 Martyanov has a video up on his blog an a challenger getting hit with a lancet. Quite a spectacular explosion when it hits. Must have blasted through right on the ammo. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 17:15 utc | 123 @82 Posted by: paddy | Aug 16 2024 17:18 utc | 124
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1824418602587468069 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 17:20 utc | 125 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 16 2024 17:08 utc | 120 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 17:23 utc | 126 “MBT Fuel economy” Posted by: MAKK | Aug 16 2024 17:25 utc | 127 An estimated 15,000 personnel have been involved in the assault on Kursk, including not only Ukrainian forces, but also contractors and volunteers from a number of Western countries, with the presences of Polish and English speaking forces having been confirmed. Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 16 2024 17:26 utc | 128 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 16 2024 16:36 utc | 107 Posted by: Milites | Aug 16 2024 17:29 utc | 129
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 17:23 utc | 126 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 17:30 utc | 130 Posted by: migueljose | Aug 16 2024 14:45 utc | 64 Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 16 2024 17:34 utc | 131 Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 16 2024 17:26 utc | 128 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 17:38 utc | 132
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 17:40 utc | 133 The link for 133 https://x.com/vicktop55/status/1824321048189210908 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 17:41 utc | 134 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 16 2024 16:36 utc | 107 Posted by: anonposter | Aug 16 2024 17:41 utc | 135 War correspondent Sladkov: This is the most recent video collection of our actions in the SMO zone.
https://x.com/vicktop55/status/1824394924541853864 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 17:49 utc | 136 Messed up 136. Should have been all block quote.ed up on Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 17:50 utc | 137 Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 16 2024 17:12 utc | 122 Posted by: Mario | Aug 16 2024 17:56 utc | 138 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 17:23 utc | 126 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 16 2024 18:03 utc | 139
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 16 2024 17:26 utc | 128 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 18:06 utc | 140 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 16:47 utc | 112 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:07 utc | 141 The Russians ruthlessly killing HIMARS that are firing from Sumy into Kursk Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:13 utc | 142 Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 16 2024 15:00 utc | 68 Posted by: Victor | Aug 16 2024 18:13 utc | 143 followed by return to Ukraine and poverty and shunning by the rest of Ukrainian society as one of the idiots who contributed to Ukraine’s ruin. Posted by: too scents | Aug 16 2024 18:13 utc | 144 Looks like US/UK are determined to keep the cannon fodder flowing into the Kursk salient. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 18:15 utc | 145 @Napoleon seems to be missing in action today. Shame, I was looking forward to his updates about the “game-changing” capabilities of Schrödingers F-16s… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 18:16 utc | 146 The Russians are steamrolling the Donbass now. New York has fallen, and Pokrovks (the main supply hub for Nazis in Donbass) is next. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:18 utc | 147 Dima says that Ukrainian offensive has stalled and that Ukrainians had significant losses. Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2024 18:18 utc | 148 LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:13 utc | 142 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 18:18 utc | 149 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:07 utc | 141 Posted by: Mario | Aug 16 2024 18:19 utc | 150 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 18:16 utc | 146 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:19 utc | 151 I understand nothing. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:21 utc | 152
Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2024 18:18 utc | 148 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 18:23 utc | 153
Posted by: Down South | Aug 16 2024 18:25 utc | 154 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:19 utc | 151 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 18:27 utc | 155
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/106150 Posted by: Down South | Aug 16 2024 18:29 utc | 156
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17033 Posted by: Down South | Aug 16 2024 18:32 utc | 157 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2024 16:32 utc | 105 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 16 2024 18:33 utc | 158 … Posted by: Mario | Aug 16 2024 18:34 utc | 159 Down South | Aug 16 2024 18:29 utc | 156 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 18:35 utc | 160 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 16 2024 15:34 utc | 85 Posted by: Victor | Aug 16 2024 18:35 utc | 161 Where did you get the info that Putin is calling for peace? Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2024 18:37 utc | 162
i really shouldnt ask, but… you know that from where? Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 16 2024 18:40 utc | 163 Victor | Aug 16 2024 18:35 utc | 161 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 18:42 utc | 164 Victor Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 18:46 utc | 165 i really shouldnt ask, but… you know that from where? Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2024 18:49 utc | 166 Posted by: Victor | Aug 16 2024 18:35 utc | 161 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 18:55 utc | 167 ****But why are Lukashenko and Putin asking for peace if Ukro army has just crashed in Kursk? Posted by: Jerr | Aug 16 2024 18:56 utc | 168 There is a sense of hubris and entitlement as well as a bike bar atmosphere. Here Bubba, who is a long time drunk, can repeat his “stating the obvious” wisdom and beat up anyone who does dare to have an original opinion. Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 16 2024 18:56 utc | 169 Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 16 2024 18:56 utc | 169 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 18:59 utc | 170 Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 16 2024 18:56 utc | 169
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 19:00 utc | 171 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 18:42 utc | 164 Posted by: Victor | Aug 16 2024 19:01 utc | 172 Victor | Aug 16 2024 19:01 utc | 172 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 19:02 utc | 173 The 7000 dead and wounded doesn’t match general Apti’s numbers of 11k total. Bloggers… Posted by: rk | Aug 16 2024 19:04 utc | 174 Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2024 18:37 utc | 162 Posted by: Mario | Aug 16 2024 19:04 utc | 175 There’s been a pattern of cope with Kursk. First, Russia said they had immediately expelled the incursion. (A lie…and very wrong.) Then we keep hearing, day after day, that the “situation is now stabilized”. But UFA drives on and takes more territory and we get a NEW “situation is NOW” stabilized. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 16 2024 19:05 utc | 176 Anonymous | Aug 16 2024 19:05 utc | 176 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 19:07 utc | 177 Posted by: Rune Denmark | Aug 16 2024 15:30 utc | 82 Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 16 2024 19:07 utc | 178 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 16 2024 16:19 utc | 103 Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 16 2024 19:09 utc | 179 But! The enemy has at least four brigades and a sea of recruits in the Ukrainian Sumy region. And we kept wondering why they didn’t take Rylsk and Korenev in pincers – they could have gone from Sudzha and Sumy, and that’s it! Posted by: Newbie | Aug 16 2024 19:11 utc | 180 Here’s a strange thing: @Victor, @Napoleon, @Anonymous, @Unnamed all turn up at once. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 19:12 utc | 181 Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 16 2024 14:59 utc | 67 & 122 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Aug 16 2024 19:15 utc | 182 Wretched spoilchucker, I typed coincidence.. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 19:16 utc | 183
Posted by: Down South | Aug 16 2024 19:17 utc | 184 Newbie | Aug 16 2024 19:11 utc | 180 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 19:20 utc | 185 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 19:12 utc | 181 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2024 19:21 utc | 186 The west is calling Russia’s nuke bluff and letting them know they are serious that Russia must lose. Russia is backed into a corner trying to destroy what it can. The British and the US are bombing the middle east trying to put down the uprising Russia and Iran are funding and Nato mercs fight the Africans that are trying to be free. It’s a world war that has only just started. Posted by: OohCanada | Aug 16 2024 19:21 utc | 187 Down South | Aug 16 2024 19:17 utc | 184 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 19:25 utc | 188 The funny thing is I’m not even interested in Kursk. I skim past the part of DPA or Willy that cover it. Am way more interested in the amoeba’s move on Provosk (sp?). But it’s just hilarious watching the brew crew here in denial. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 16 2024 19:25 utc | 189 “Victor | Aug 16 2024 19:01 utc | 172 There is a sense of hubris and entitlement as well as a bike bar atmosphere. Here Bubba, who is a long time drunk, can repeat his “stating the obvious” wisdom and beat up anyone who does dare to have an original opinion. This site is full of suck ups, and the brown nosing of ‘b’ is the worst… So, “unnamed: go ahead and share your wonderful opinions! It is refreshing to see a kindred spirit among this buch of bikers Bubba’s. And I am not using the “bubba” of stupid lackies, but for those who do not understand, the other Bubba! Posted by: Ed | Aug 16 2024 19:26 utc | 191 Lord Of War Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 19:27 utc | 192 Posted by: OohCanada | Aug 16 2024 19:21 utc | 187 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2024 19:27 utc | 193 Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 16 2024 19:07 utc | 178 Posted by: anonposter | Aug 16 2024 19:27 utc | 194 Anonymous | Aug 16 2024 19:25 utc | 189 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 19:27 utc | 195
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/119647
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/119648 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 16 2024 19:28 utc | 196 Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 16 2024 19:07 utc | 178 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 16 2024 19:29 utc | 197 Posted by: Tannenhouser’s Panties | Aug 16 2024 16:19 utc | 103 A new video was released – a Patriot PAC-3 battery was taken out near Dnepropetrovsk with cluster munitions. Posted by: unimperator | Aug 16 2024 19:33 utc | 199 canuck | Aug 16 2024 19:26 utc | 190 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 19:35 utc | 200 |
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