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August 8, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-188

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 9:00 utc | 290
Spot on, though Russian artillery has always trained to fire using open sights, so wonder if some armoured blocking detachments have been ‘fortified’ with such vehicles.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 9:31 utc | 296
You could post a similar critique about any military in any period; ‘the reasons for the failings of the French Army at Agincourt caused by the unbelievably stupid, no criminally stupid, idea of of mounted knights charging elite bowmen, across muddy ground, can be traced back to the…….. Ditto.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 9 2024 9:55 utc | 298
Open source intel only with a 24 hour plus delay due to editing. Napoleonic armies were better served using their mounted scouts, with less of a time-lag! By the time a Tubester has got everything ready for broadcasting the situation has already moved on. It’s akin to Dima reporting on D-Day, his 6th of June analysis would be mentioning heavier than usual air traffic, with unconfirmed reports that paratroops had dropped beyond the Normandy coast. Only on the evening of the 6th, after reading the open sources flooding in, would he be able to talk about Operation Overlord being launched.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 9:33 utc | 297
It does seem to suggest that Russian ISR, although greatly improved, does not possess some of the capabilities of its Western counterparts. I wonder if seeding the likely routes with acoustic sensors, an Operation Igloo Whiteski , but with added drones, might be a solution.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 9 2024 10:28 utc | 301

Posted by: News from Cassad | Aug 9 2024 10:20 utc | 300
Cassad didn’t post anything that purported what you claim. AFU initially captured the border garrison checkpoints and a bunch of conscripts and moved quickly with mobile groups, killing mainly civilians trying to flee. RU front is just forming, it may still take days before any clear data appears.
The Lipetsk air field supposedly suffered no aircraft losses either in earlier attack.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 10:28 utc | 302

anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 7:59 utc | 267
Aggregating more tactical EW and amassing drones can sure give an advantage. Unfortunately it also uses up those resources so they will be missing elsewhere.
This rings of WW1 where local attacks with masses also led to breakthroughs for a few hundred meters or even kilometers. Unfortunately both sides did this so in total it evened out.
All of this is predictable. Of course one can ride a Hussar’s charge into enemy territory, it’s just not sustainable as observed here before. If Russia weren’t so slow and methodical the whole bag would be cut off soon, I just don’t think they will take the bait – and they shouldn’t. If Ukraine found someone smart, they would have an anvil ready behind their hammer troops once they turn around.
I don’t see UKR bringing any engineering troops to build lines to secure the new area, truck in supplies, bring in arty to work deeply. It’s either a propaganda show, had a recon-in-force goal (on brigade level?) or was just done by marketing to show “Russia is vulnerable”. I really hope nobody counted on a Russian outcry to “save the motherland”, “save our souls” for a few villages.
Looks to me like both Israel and Ukraine both need to bring the big dog as the military and top politicians realize their vulnerability. Overextending intentionally is the Hail Mary pass maybe?
If the counterpush is too close to Kiev maybe NATO will feel forced to act.

Posted by: SOS | Aug 9 2024 10:29 utc | 303

Posted by: News from Cassad | Aug 9 2024 10:20 utc | 300 “100s of Russian troops in trucks killed”
Maybe a 100?
https://x.com/i/status/1821805704237228502

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 10:35 utc | 304

⭐️Summary for the morning of August 9:
✔️Kursk border area:
the advance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been stopped. There are battles for Snagost, in the Ivashkovsky area and near Novaya Sorochina. The parties are bringing up reserves.
Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 8:05 utc | 270
Snagost? ThenI guess I was right about Gordeevka being the place to aim, to stop an AFU pincer and drive a counter wedge. (Snagost is a dozen kms north of Gordeevka by the road from the border)
Novaya is probably the 1/3 remaining of the sudzha to lgov road mentioned yesterday as well (looks like a reasonable spot to entrench)
Now @unimperator and others, Canopus B (Kanopus V) has very limited coverage, what an enemy can do in 4 hours between flyby/coverage is huge. Now would be the moment when china has to decide if it’s in or out, share their bigger network or assume it’snot an ally.
One sideline comment, with the quantity of lancets assumed to exist, and their auto mode being impervious to EW, there seems to have been and error in distibution/availability for RF territory defense. Either that or AFU EW improved a lot and adaptations are in order.
Back to the start, Snagost/Gordeevka seem taken care of, but given that current operations by AFU came from karkhiv, now I’d worry about forces coming from Belorussian border, roads E38 and A142 should be secured, and for good measure now that things will also be done outside the 4 Oblasts, a two pronged wedge to Bereza/Hlukhiv might be a good counter.
My 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 10:39 utc | 305

This is really embarrassing to those of us who actually do support the Russian side in the war. Apparently, the game plan is to spend more than two and a half years fiddle-fucking around with an enemy 1/5th your size, and continue to ship gas exports across their border even as they are sending armed troops across yours. I guess that’s how “existential wars” are supposed to be fought. I must have missed that chapter of Sun Tzu.

Posted by: Gnome Sane | Aug 9 2024 10:40 utc | 306

Regarding the Russian column hit news. Russian unofficial channels confirm cluster munitions hit on about a dozen vehicles causing substantial personnel loses. Skipping the usual expletives directed towards tactical command, this is unfortunately not first, second or third Russian troop gathering hit in this war, yet the world still stands. Propagandist who can’t hide their gloating while continuing to ignore war’s bigger picture will continue to expose themselves as incompetents at best and scum at worst.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 9 2024 10:42 utc | 307

About all this incursion is going to achieve for Ukraine, is to further lengthen the frontlines when they are already short on everything.
I very much doubt Russia will simply pull up at the border, Which means Ukraine/Nato will have to put in more non existent forces and equipment there just to hold the line.
A lot of tanks and other vehicles have already been knocked out in the Sumy/Kursk sector…..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 10:45 utc | 308

The latest update implies AFU is not inside Sudzha itself, and the road north of it is clear. However, information is fragmented (mainly because there’s nothing relatively coherent right now).
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1821855903189991855

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 10:47 utc | 309

I will also add that anyone using the word “embarrassing” when describing a war is an idiot whose time and intelligence better suited watching reality TV instead, since they demand being impressed so much.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 9 2024 10:47 utc | 310

@307,
Again, everybody films like there is no tomorrow. I start to believe that a significant part of the RU civilians are mentally deficient.

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 10:47 utc | 311

@ JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 10:47 utc | 311
Clearly the result of “Dictator Putin’s Iron Hand” with a dedicated NKVD officer watching over every single civilian. Seriously though, there’s nobody around to cure stupidity, unfortunately.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 9 2024 10:50 utc | 312

@309
Also based on civ’s reports, Sudzha is clear of AFU. But no doubt they will be pulling more scarce reserves elsewhere to attack.
Like noted earlier, Sudzha is the ‘basin’ that was supposed to be captured.
Now, according to Dima, AFU is pulling its self propelled artillery closer to the front. This implies the thing may become static after some days, maybe even for weeks.
It really depends if RUAF FPVs and Lancets work, then AFU will move back quicker.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 10:51 utc | 313

t does seem to suggest that Russian ISR, although greatly improved, does not possess some of the capabilities of its Western counterparts. I wonder if seeding the likely routes with acoustic sensors, an Operation Igloo Whiteski , but with added drones, might be a solution.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 9 2024 10:28 utc | 301
China is the only peer level of the US in satellite ISR.
It’s hard to fight seeing the battlefield in a 30 km band every 4 hours (when the enemy probably has AI seeing 24/24 for most of the territory) Canopus B/Kanopus V, as I discussed months ago, has orbitals that allow overpass only every 24 hours, half a dozen satellites is too few for confort, you can send huge amounts of troops over long distances in the intervening time.
Getting back to tech, S mentioning that lancets were effectively countered by the AFU is troubling, it was the one thing that basically stoped AFU from using equipment in the open.
A final issue has little to do with tech, how strong is the AFU raiding party? Some are still discussing in the low thousands, but I’d be surprised if we’re not talking 5 digits.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 10:53 utc | 314

Again, everybody films like there is no tomorrow. I start to believe that a significant part of the RU civilians are mentally deficient.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 10:47 utc | 311

The guy has been arrested, he’s been doing it on Ukies’ orders, because he wsd promiced money an some EU citizenship.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 9 2024 10:56 utc | 315

@312,
Indeed, for a “ruthless dictatorship” that keeps everything in check (Hand of Putin everywhere) there are plenty of idiots that prefer to sacrifice their freedom and even undermining their nation for a quick buck. Madness and stupidity runs riot on some RU “citizens”.

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 10:56 utc | 316

It really depends if RUAF FPVs and Lancets work, then AFU will move back quicker.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 10:51 utc | 313
Lancets are critical when vehicles are driving through roads at speed, for left-over meat it’s the old school bomb and take.
If they still work properly, Rylsk is to place quite a feww right now.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 10:59 utc | 317

@315,
Yes, I have read that he was arrested. But that doesn’t change anything, there are plenty of other idiots in line that will do it again when another situation occurs. Maybe there is a mental disease there in Russia when it comes to phones and filming stuff.

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 11:10 utc | 318

It looks like the offensive to the south will still take place

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk direction involved 2 thousand military personnel, now they are waiting for additional reserves, which they accumulate in Sumy. The new offensive campaign of the Ukrainian army consists of several stages, the main blow will be focused on the Zaporozhye NPP, while the APU will launch several more diversionary operations on the territory of Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 11:11 utc | 319

https://t.me/milinfolive/127963

On the fourth day of the invasion, the enemy was finally stopped within the framework of its breakthrough of the first two days.
Thanks to the arriving reserves of the Russian Armed Forces, the Ukrainian troops sharply lost the pace of advance and began to dig in where they could, which means a possible refusal from further active offensive actions .
Thus, the Ministry of Defense listed in its report the settlements of the Kursk region where attacks were carried out on the breakthrough equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And all the same were on the arena – Dar’ino , Gogolevka , Melovoy , Nikolsky , Sudzha , Yuzhny . The only new thing here is Martynovka , located on the highway northeast of Sudzha, but we have already reported on the presence of enemy groups near it .
The enemy’s digging in in this situation is not only good, but also bad news , since now the Russian army will have to methodically drive the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Russian settlements they have occupied, which will inevitably lead to the destruction of infrastructure facilities, as well as residential and administrative buildings.
Nevertheless, it can be stated that the plan of the Ukrainian Armed Forces , which we proposed on the first day, to try to create a point of tension and force the Russian Armed Forces to pull their reserves there, worked partially – the reserves went. However, there is no evidence that this transfer of forces has somehow affected other sections of the front . In addition, the advance of the Ukrainian army was clearly not as deep as they expected. This suggests that no army corps with tens of thousands of people , which were panickedly listed in the telegram, were deployed by the enemy in the border area .
At the same time, the opening of the “second front” by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Rylsk , which seemed logical from the outside, has not yet happened , which also plays into the claims about the limitations of the forces deployed by the enemy. It seems that he simply cannot afford a large-scale offensive operation with the combined forces of more than a couple of army brigades simultaneously at least in two areas, even within the same direction. As we said two days ago – with the current configuration, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will no longer be able to reach Kurchatov.

https://t.me/milinfolive/127952

Regarding the column destroyed at night near Rylsk.
Since there are already photos of HIMARS MLRS missile fragments found in the Kursk region, we can confidently say that the column standing 40 km from the border was hit by them, and not by any kamikaze drones. Moreover, the nature of the consequences there speaks for itself.
In order to hit a column with a fire weapon aimed at a significant distance and adjusted by satellite navigation, it is necessary for this very column, like a herd of dumb sheep, to stand in the open and not move anywhere until a reconnaissance drone finds it, transmits information and they work on it.
Moreover, people were also left sitting in the backs of the parked trucks, which turned the destruction of the column into a real massacre. Locals passing by have already filmed everything, since the consequences remained until the morning.
All this is a consequence not only of the impenetrable stupidity of a specific person who organized the movement of a column near the border for the third year, and then its standstill, but also a consequence of the general situation of chaotic concentrating of reserves in the breakthrough area, for which they were not prepared at all. This is already another parallel drawn with the fall of 2022 in the Kharkov region, where the enemy also hit the columns with reserves with “Hymars” that were going to plug the front.
Once again, we see no point in moaning about the inability to learn. We are simply describing the facts, perhaps someone will remember it as it should not.

The contours of a battlefield flooded with low cost guided rocket artillery, fired from low cost launch platforms, should be obvious to anyone who bothers to contemplate it.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 11:21 utc | 320

IMO, the recent cross border invasion into the Kursk area of Russia anticipated a so-go, near-passive, do-nothing response from Russia? I think also China is holding Russia back.. because China wants to continue to do business with the West, and the West is putting pressure on China; either China falls in line with the Western goal [that Russia not be allowed to see the light of day in any Market, anywhere outside of Russia), or China will be forced to quit doing business with its biggest customer (USA led West), China might see an aggressively armed Taiwan, and a war in the Western oceans. So to become aggressive, Russia might have to give up its relationship, with China. I suspect this is on Putin’s mind every hour of every day and the West is taking advantage of it.
Provoking Russia into an all-out response is exactly what the US and NATO want. Which is why the US and NATO keep escalating. Russia wisely refuses to take the bait.
<=If Russia d/n want to lose access to its partner China, Russia must "refuse to take the bait"? Posted by: snake | Aug 9 2024 8:11 utc | 274 These parts I have to interject here. If you read the press releases by the Chinese foreign ministry, you'd know China has a policy of non interference and there's zero chance of China pressuring Russia to do anything. Pressuring is simply not the way China does diplomacy. Their approach is very hands off and more like go off in the opposite direction and making a point of intentionally not sticking their nose into other people's business. Wanting China to pressure Russia in regards to Ukraine is more like a western wish list. As exemplified by propaganda campaign last year with all that gaslighting Russia as been China's junior partner. As if China is calling all the shots and all the west has to do is pressure China and Russia will obediently retreat from Ukraine. Ha! Moreover if you read between the lines with all the press statements coming from both Russia and China, China may not say it publicly, but she is 100% aligned with Russia. Otherwise you'd not get statements about Russian-Chinese relations been "the highest level in all our history", all the stuff about the great personal friendship between the presidents Putin and Xi, or perhaps more tellingly, the declaration of "no limits partnership" of Russia and China just days before the SMO started. As for the slow-mo humanitarian way Russia has conducted this war, my take is that Putin and the Russian leadership 1. is confident in winning this proxy conflict with Ukraine but do not want to go up the escalation ladder with NATO 2. They regard Ukrainians as Russians in all but name so try to attack only military targets. 3. Perhaps am trying to wage war in such a way that garners approval from the rest of the world (lowest civilian casualty ratio ever). Certainly I can see results of this like in this bar and other places on the net even with the oversaturated propaganda efforts in the english speaking sphere, which they may not have if they went at it like the USA or Israel.

Posted by: Autumn | Aug 9 2024 11:28 utc | 321

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 5:01 utc | 260 ” A sitting President was pushed out of office”
Last I heard, Biden is still president and it looks like he will be president until his term ends in January 2025.
I didn’t say “Are you so sure the West is paying no costs” I said “This costs the West very little.” The total amount sent to support Ukraine is not even 1% of GDP? Russian will spend about 7% of GDP on it? Hard to be sure as Russia has stopped publishing a lot of economic statistics. Russia has had economic growth based on the war. How useful it will have been after the war is over is questionable. Making tanks boosts GDP, but have limited usefulness after the war is over.
Maybe you should look at this based on your post here:
By virtue of NATO having to transport these weapons to the front, makes them much more valuable a target than if they were struck in some warehouse in Poland.It’s not just the actual weapon but the time setting up a logistics chain, staging fuel and parts for that machine, investing weeks in training soldiers to operate it. Only when all of that investment is made, do I want to strike the final blow rendering it all ineffective. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 29 2023 18:55 utc | 73
The Ukrainian equipment getting destroyed in Kursk must be the most valuable yet 🙂
Don’t worry,Russia will rally to end Ukraine’s Kursk adventure. But my guess is, in the larger picture, the fighting along the entire front has no quick end in sight.
I don’t see a lot of overlap between what the US has sent Ukraine and what it has or might send Israel beyond 155mm rounds. That seems to be the thing with the least supply? Any other suggestions as to that? Particularly as the US is actually been doing some fighting for Israel while it has not been doing so for Ukraine. By that I mean bombing Yemen and shooting down some Iranian missiles and drones.
As to Africa, it looks like Russia has had a bit of a setback there with the their forces getting hit hard a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 11:28 utc | 322

anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 11:21 utc | 320
You sure have that shit locked into your brain.
It’s a war. Supposedly a high intensity war. Get over it. If there is a problem, that’s up to the Russians to sort out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 11:29 utc | 323

unimperator | Aug 9 2024 10:51 utc | 313

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 11:32 utc | 324

Maybe there is a mental disease there in Russia when it comes to phones and filming stuff.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 11:10 utc | 318

We might see sometimes soon whether England and America are immune to this mental bug.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 9 2024 11:38 utc | 325

unimperator | Aug 9 2024 10:51 utc | 313
According to the Ukie tg channels, a force of 2000 (not sure if that is total or on top of the initial 300) used to date.
Russia MoD say they have destroyed over 900 so far.
Now the Ukies are trying to scrape up reserves to send in, so MoD numbers a likely right.
Hard to know what numbers of missiles the Ukies still have at this point. HIMARS, SCALP and tochka-U have all been used in the in large numbers apparently. If they are getting low on those missiles it will be a lot easier going for Russia to push them out.
And just like Russia taking the back areas of the Ukie/Nato offensive, it is likely Nato has been doing the same re targeting reserves coming in. I would assume that is why the counter offensive has gotten off to a slow start.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 11:42 utc | 326

And just like Russia targeting the back areas …..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 11:44 utc | 327

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 11:29 utc | 323
‘The decision to allow the French Army to attack the Germans, using tactics from the previous century, beggars belief. Which idiot in the General Staff fell asleep during lectures about the Franco-Prussian War, Boer War and the Russo-Japanese war that showed the devastating capabilities of the bolt action rifle and machine gun.
‘The decision to allow the Armada to sit defenceless, whilst English fire ships bore down on them……….
‘The loss of virtually an entire Tank Army at Prokhorovka, and then again outside Kharkov, was caused by their commanders seeing tanks as little more than armoured horses engaged in a charge…..’
‘The question on every Roman citizens lips, if they have but half a brain, is how, by the gods, could the Roman Army be outflanked/ambushed/outfought by…………….’
What on earth did the Luftwaffe (replace with USAAF) think would happen if they sent unescorted bombers over Britain,(Germany) in the DAY TIME’.
Why oh why did Harold decide not to wait before deciding to march towards the invading Normans, initiating the now infamous battle on Senlac Hill?’

Posted by: Milites | Aug 9 2024 12:19 utc | 328

Posted by: Autumn | Aug 9 2024 11:28 utc | 321
Wanting China to pressure Russia in regards to Ukraine is more like a western wish list. As exemplified by propaganda campaign last year with all that gaslighting Russia as been China’s junior partner. As if China is calling all the shots and all the west has to do is pressure China and Russia will obediently retreat from Ukraine. Ha!
<= thanks for your contra view on china's involvement as a means to explain the slow go from Russia, but i am not accusing China of actively expressing its influence over Russia, ....I am suggesting..... western pressure is forcing China, into an either support Russia and be excluded from Western markets, or refuse to support Russia, and to retain Chinese access to western markets. Its a situation that Russia understands and therefore is a force to explain in part Russian reluctance to escalate . .. BTW I agree with you Chinese policy is non interference, but I think China's interferences comes by the positions its diplomacy takes, not by its use of active force or even by directives to others. You can see what I think is evidence of that in Iran and Yemen and Gaza.. I always defer to those with knowledge closer to accurate than my own. Again thanks.

Posted by: snake | Aug 9 2024 12:48 utc | 329

🇷🇺🇺🇦🎞 Tactics of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk Region: video
Yesterday we already wrote that in the Kursk region the Ukrainian Armed Forces acted almost according to the Balakleya scenario : a breakthrough to maximum depth with the pinning down of stationary positions by battle and ambushes on military columns and civilian equipment.
Our video shows this clearly.
As a rule, one such mobile sabotage and reconnaissance group consists of three to six armored vehicles (Cossack or Humvee – it makes no difference). While a third of them are holding down the stronghold, the others are bypassing it, entering nearby settlements and setting up ambushes.
Reinforcements are shot at along the way, as is civilian transport, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces leave populated areas after a brief inspection.
Yesterday, using this tactic, the Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to reach Bolshoye Soldatskoye and further along the Sudzha-Dyakonovo highway. And in the Lgov direction, an armored group, which included a tank, advanced to Ivnitsa .
📍As a result, the fighters, tied down by the battle, reported a large-scale enemy offensive, while other units saw Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment literally in every populated area (although these were the same sabotage and reconnaissance groups, successively visiting village after village), and the picture at headquarters was depressing.
And in the end, when further reconnaissance was carried out, it was discovered that there was no enemy in the populated area.
📌Such tactics allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to achieve the main result: panic and entry into operational space, where there are no pre-prepared positions. In order to effectively combat this, it is necessary, alas, to admit that it is impossible to do without dense mining of probable routes of advancement and the equipment of reinforced positions at the main transport hubs.
@rybar

https://t.me/two_majors/29234

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 12:58 utc | 330

Bot: “The Ukrainians are claimed to be already in artillery range 25 km from the Kursk power plant.”
It is true. A squad of Ukropian cyborgs sybyyrhs (gotta use gay spelling that forces you to make a gay looking face to try and pronounce `cuz the Ukriopians like gay spelling and making gay faces) sprinted to within a few dozen km of the power plant.
Then they died.
Oh well.
Anyway, their bodies are within artillery range, but they forgot to bring artillery. Vexingly, had they brought artillery, it would have slowed them down and they would not have gotten within artillery range. What to do, what to do… this war stuff is so complicated!
Perhaps they intended to stop at a local Walmart and get some howitzers once they got close; ya`know, live off the land, so to speak. Apparently the Walmart was out of howitzers `cuz the Russian economy is in shambles, so our sprinting Ukropian sybyyrhs lay down for the long nap instead of attacking the power plant.
Well, it all worked when they gamed it out using checkers, so maybe Putin weaponized Walmart.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2024 12:59 utc | 331

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kherson direction: aborted landing of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Kinburn Peninsula
situation as of 11:00 august 9, 2024
For the second time in a week, Ukrainian forces attempted to land troops in the west of the Kherson region.
If on August 6 a similar attempt was recorded on the Tendrovskaya Spit , then this morning the emphasis was placed on the Kinburn Peninsula.
▪️At two o’clock in the morning, Ukrainian drones, under the cover of Ukrainian electronic warfare, began to work on Russian positions in Pokrovskoe . In total, up to four boats and two Baba Yaga-type drones of the enemy took part in the raid.
▪️The goal of the operation was to seize the building of the sea terminal and provide a bridgehead for further landing of troops. One of the boats managed to approach the shore and land: during the landing, several members of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were blown up by mines, while the remaining ones entered into a firefight with Russian servicemen.
▪️By 7am, the enemy threat had been eliminated: one of the boats with the landing force had been destroyed, and the rest had retreated. Russian troops began inspecting the seaport area.
Plans to capture the Kinburn Peninsula have not changed since 2022 : it is one of the desired targets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and if a bridgehead is captured from there , it can move by land to the central regions of the Kherson region and affect communications.
🔻Such a landing could have been avoided in principle if there had been a sufficient number of FPV drone operators and reconnaissance equipment in the area.
Unfortunately, in conditions when all media attention was focused on Krynki and the island zone , a clear lack of forces and resources began to be felt on the Kinburn Peninsula that would have allowed the landing to be disrupted at the stage of its approach to the Russian coast.
With the proper emphasis, the landing situation – even if suicidal – could have been avoided in principle by destroying the landing force in the waters.
📌Against the backdrop of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ offensive in the Kursk direction , the enemy command will try to create tension points in several areas at once. In addition to the notorious media effect, all this will also be used to demonstrate the Kiev regime’s offensive capabilities in order to achieve expanded military support from sponsors.
@rybar

https://t.me/two_majors/29237

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 13:00 utc | 332

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Concentration of Enemy Forces and Arrival of Reinforcements for the Russian Armed Forces
What is known as of 1:00 pm on August 9, 2024
Throughout the night and morning, Ukrainian formations continued to dig in on the occupied part of the Kursk Region, while simultaneously transferring forces to the sector for further attempts to advance deeper into Russian territory.
🔻In the Sudzha District, the presence of Ukrainian formations is recorded in Honcharivka – the western suburb of Sudzha. As of the morning, the presence of the AFU in the administrative center itself has not been detected.
▪️Northeast of Sudzha, an enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group entered the village of Russkoye Porechnoye: small arms fire and impacts were reported in the vicinity of the settlement.
▪️On the southern flank, the main clashes took place in Plekhovo on the left bank of the small Psel River. Skirmishes with mobile AFU groups are ongoing in the area of the village, and a Ukrainian tank is firing on the village.
🔻In the Korenevo District, Ukrainian formations did not attempt a breakthrough: there were no battles near Korenevo as of the morning, but explosions continued to be heard near the village.
▪️Russian units counterattacked in the direction of Malaya Loknya. At the moment, clashes continue, and air and artillery strikes are being delivered on the identified enemy positions.
▪️Overnight, the AFU struck a Russian column near Oktyabr’skoye east of Rylsk with HIMARS MLRS. Later, FSB officers quickly identified and detained a 48-year-old local resident who deliberately filmed the results of the impact and passed them on to Ukrainian media resources.
The Russian command continues to redeploy forces to the Korenevo and Sudzha Districts – observers confirm a significantly increased presence of troops in the area where there were virtually none just a few days ago. At the same time, the configuration of the front line is partially obscured by the “fog of war” due to a shortage of objective control personnel and persistent problems with command and control.
📌 Russian troops have also increased the intensity of strikes on the border areas of the Sumy Region, where a significant concentration of Ukrainian forces remains. According to local authorities, the Russian Aerospace Forces have dropped over a hundred gliding bombs on the region in the last two days alone.
At the same time, the situation in the region was recognized by the Russian EMERCOM as a federal-level emergency situation, and the elimination of its consequences will be mainly financed from the federal budget.
❗️However, it is still too early to draw conclusions about the stabilization of the situation – fighting in the Kursk Region continues, the enemy is introducing new forces and still has the ability to strike in another area of the state border. At the same time, the AFU is digging in on the captured frontiers, and the Russian troops arriving in the sector will have to dislodge them from there.
@rybar

https://t.me/sitreports/32599

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 13:02 utc | 333

🇷🇺🇺🇦 While battles are ongoing in the Kursk Region, the AFU conducted a combined raid on the border and rear regions of Russia. This is the second such attack in the past week – the previous one took place on August 3.
▪️In the Lipetsk Region, AFU drones attacked the Lipetsk-2 airfield in the regional center. One of the hits was on an ammunition depot, residents of nearby villages were briefly evacuated, and nine people were injured. Preliminary data indicates that the aircraft managed to avoid the strike.
▪️In the Belgorod Region, the targets were the settlements of Stary and Novy Oskol, with damage reported to residential buildings and industrial enterprises.
▪️In the Kursk Region, air defense activity was noted in the sky over Kurchatov, which the enemy has been shelling for the fourth day in a row, as well as in the Rylsk District. Unfortunately, in the latter, a column of Russian Armed Forces personnel was hit, resulting in casualties.
▪️The enemy also carried out another combined raid on the Crimean Peninsula. Three drones were shot down on the approach to Sevastopol, and five unmanned boats were sunk, while another drone was intercepted in the Orlovka area, and a Neptune cruise missile was destroyed over the Black Sea. In total, five drones were shot down and seven USVs were sunk in the region.
▪️Several drones were shot down in the skies over the Oryol, Voronezh and Bryansk Regions, with no casualties or consequences on the ground.
❗️As in previous cases, video materials quickly appeared online, helping the enemy assess the effectiveness of the strikes – this again raises the question that the current measures to combat this phenomenon are insufficient. At the same time, there is news that a local resident who filmed the results of the strikes in the Rylsk District has been detained on espionage charges.
@rybar

https://t.me/geromanat/31243

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 13:07 utc | 334

🧩🧩🧩Zelensky’s (Britain’s) proposal to Putin
The Ukrainian Armed Forces’ attack on the Kursk region of the Russian Federation + extension of the interim period + Budanov’s statement + Yermak’s interview together make up Zelensky’s (Britain’s) proposal to the Kremlin.
What does it mean:
🟢This is the beginning. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are capable of conducting similar operations in both the Belgorod and Bryansk regions;
Accordingly, in order to close the border from such attacks, it is necessary to either conduct a new mobilization (with the inevitable acute labor shortage in the economy) or suspend any offensives in the east of Ukraine;
🟢 The interim period will be extended as long as necessary.
🟢 Budanov: if necessary, we will mobilize everyone up to 16 years old.
You can kill them all. There will be enough men locked up inside Ukraine for a long time, with total mobilization and a lowering of the age.
Can you afford it?
Britain and Zelensky are enjoying the advantages of the proxy state they have created, namely:
✅ Ukraine’s military-industrial complex has been moved outside the country and is supported by NATO;
✅ The economy is unimportant, the West will just donate, and social services will be cut;
✅ Bankova is not afraid of the severity of winter without electricity (see the previous point + they don’t care about freezing old people);
✅ Effective media communications allow for constant retreat in the east without causing critical sentiments and riots in society;
🟢 Yermak: there will be no new “Minsk” under Zelensky. We are fighting to the borders of 1991;
All this essentially means: are you ready to fight for a few more years until you kill ALL of our mobile resources, suffering losses in people and the economy. Is your society ready? We are ready!!!
The proposal itself: the 1991 borders, reparations, contributions, the EU, NATO and security guarantees!
No? Let’s continue fighting, but under new conditions: the Ukrainian Armed Forces can now fire HYMARS missiles at Russian territory, they gave us F-16s, etc.
You can continue to strike at Ukraine, you can turn Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov into Avdiivka, you can even capture Pokrovsk and Kramatorsk after some time. Britain is happy with everything…
This is Bankova’s vision of the moment. Ukraine has been finally turned by the Presidential Office into a Private Military Country – a kamikaze, the purpose of which is to weaken the Russian Federation and be a feeding trough personally for Zelensky🤷‍♂️

https://t.me/ZeRada1/20949

Colleagues, we are now witnessing an escalation of the conflict, similar to the strikes on the Crimean Bridge, from which Ukraine received nothing but destroyed infrastructure.
For the British, it doesn’t matter what remains of Afghanistan/Libya or Ukraine, the main thing is to direct the war in the right direction. Zelensky has turned the country into an object of bargaining between geopolitical actors who solve their problems at our expense.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/23823

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 13:11 utc | 335

Our source reports that the Russian Armed Forces have received an unofficial order not to take anyone alive in the Kursk region.
In fact, all the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers who are currently in the Kursk region are suicide bombers.
Bankovaya is aware of this order, but continues to send Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers to attack in the Kursk direction.
The Kursk adventure of the Ukrainian Armed Forces may ultimately cost the Ukrainian army dearly.
We will add that this Kursk adventure can only be justified if it is not the main attack, but a distraction, and if in another direction, during the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, there is a large-scale territorial success.
But all sources are confident that it will be difficult for Bankovaya to maintain this pace for more than a month and a half. Then the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have a severe deficit in everything, which will lead to further failures at the front.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18501

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 13:13 utc | 336

This is really embarrassing to those of us who actually do support the Russian side in the war. Apparently, the game plan is to spend more than two and a half years fiddle-fucking around with an enemy 1/5th your size, and continue to ship gas exports across their border even as they are sending armed troops across yours. I guess that’s how “existential wars” are supposed to be fought. I must have missed that chapter of Sun Tzu.
Posted by: Gnome Sane | Aug 9 2024 10:40 utc | 306
Yeah you certainly did miss a chapter:
“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.”

Posted by: canuck | Aug 9 2024 13:18 utc | 337

I must have missed that chapter of Sun Tzu.
Posted by: Gnome Sane | Aug 9 2024 10:40 utc | 306
You missed the chapter that says “wars are expensive and governments at war need a source of income”
You seem to want the Russians to shoot themselves in the foot by cutting off the income coming from pipeline infrastructure that Russians have invested good money in.
You got the situation backwards … it should be the EU and Ukraine cutting off a Russian source of revenue not the other way around. Their the ones who have been sanctioning Russia and blowing up pipelines.
The Russians don’t pay Ukraine for allowing their gas to transit Ukraine … the consumer pays the bills not the suppliers.
For whatever reason EU consumers keep the gas flowing and paying both the Ukraine and Russia for that service … the west has to pay Ukraine’s bills regardless so perhaps keeping the gas transit fees flowing is less of a burden than straight up charity?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 9 2024 14:00 utc | 338

I think the brigade and bataillon list does not reflect the reality of the Kursk incursion.The operation seems to be NATO-lead,with Nato weapons.Those ukranian brigades are probably lapped up with fresh recruits to do the dying for the french foreign legion mercenaries who complete these. According to the legionary soldier captured by the russians some month ago,the french foreign legion are 70% eastern european nationalsFrom his interview I could not figure out if he was talking about the French Foreign Legion in its totality,or the legion soldiers present in Ukraine.Anyways there are a lot of ukranian and russian speakers in the Legion,like there are a lot of russophones in the German army.

Posted by: willie | Aug 9 2024 14:06 utc | 339

This was at the top of the weekly report of the RMD.

The Sever Group of Forces continue to repel attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to invade the territory of the Russian Federation in Kursk direction. Army aviation strikes and artillery fire are foiling raid operations of the enemy targeting the depth of the Russian Federation.
Since the beginning of hostilities in this direction, the enemy has lost up to 945 troops and 102 armoured vehicles, including 12 tanks, 17 armoured personnel carriers, six infantry fighting vehicles, 67 armoured fighting vehicles, 12 motor vehicles, two Buk M1 self-propelled artillery systems, and three field artillery guns.
Moreover, the Group hit manpower and military hardware of one mechanised brigade, one motorised infantry brigade, and two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, one marine brigade, and three territorial defence brigades in Volchansk and Liptsy directions.
Seven counter-attacks of AFU assault group were repelled.

Timed at 16:15

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Aug 9 2024 14:48 utc | 340

I take solace that in an age of increasing mental illness, the truly wicked and mentally ill people cannot resist telling on themselves.
If they had any capacity for discretion or secrecy, they probably could control the world. They have this compulsion to do a victory lap prematurely like a James Bond villain revealing the entire scheme BEFORE Bond has been killed.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 22:26 utc | 206
Satanism is two things: “do what you want” without repercussions, morals or responsibility; and forcing others to watch.

Posted by: Michael A | Aug 9 2024 14:49 utc | 341

Ukraine Weekly Update, 9th August 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-44e

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 9 2024 16:58 utc | 342

Posted by: willie | Aug 9 2024 14:06 utc
To my understanding, the Legion thrives on the shattered cohorts of the most recent “losing side.”
I believe to an absolute degree that the Legion Etrangere is expecting an influx of hardened Slavic soldiers when this Russo-Ukrainian War is over. This is a “real war” on a level that hasn’t been fought, in the West, for a while now. I rather think that they will be Ukrainian and not Russian.

Posted by: Hunsdon | Aug 9 2024 18:20 utc | 343

🍺 FREE DRINKS AT THE BAR FOLKS 🍺

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 9 2024 20:23 utc | 344

Ukraine wins by not losing, by showing that Russia is not impermeable.
The NATO effort is being directed by AI and Russia has no counter.
Agent-based models and AI directly convert NATO’s superiority in MWh energy production, data centers and compute/AI research.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing
Simplicuis is expounding on theoretical breakthroughs, whereas NATO has concretely instantiated a super-weapon. If NATO has made such a practical breakthrough, then it will be obvious.
It will make it look like Russian weapons and staff are incompetent, but really, it is just a major innovation in warfare they simply cannot match or understand.
Emergent behavior by local rules creates global behavior can allow Ukraine particles to traverse the Russian semi-permeable membrane, modeled as percolative effect. See NetLOGO forest fire models and Sugarscape wars. Ai selects and iterates via simulation local rules that allow favorable emergent conditions.

Posted by: ICPtasking | Aug 10 2024 13:37 utc | 345

‘Ukrainian’ forces enter Belgorod.
https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-forces-entered-another-russian-oblast-media-say

Posted by: La Camarade | Aug 10 2024 15:35 utc | 346

Posted by: ICPtasking | Aug 10 2024 13:37 utc | 345
Okay, then.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 10 2024 20:19 utc | 347

@LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 20:18 utc | 120

Ermak explained Ukranian demands:
1991 borders
– reparations
– all-for-all prisoner exchange
– trials for Russians
– security guarantees
– a new security architecture in Europe

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Rossia and Ukraina never agreed on the delimitation of their borders. At the time, I understood that Ukraine had been persistently delaying the resolution of this issue.
I might be wrong.
Isn’t it doubleplusgood if Ukraine is yet another country with undefined borders screaming about violation of its territory?

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 10 2024 22:42 utc | 348

https://donhank.substack.com/p/why-russia-must-take-all-of-ukraine
Discussion about why RF needs to bite off far more than it has been willing to chew thus far.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 10 2024 22:45 utc | 349

Ukraine wins by not losing, by showing that Russia is not impermeable.
The NATO effort is being directed by AI and Russia has no counter.
Agent-based models and AI directly convert NATO’s superiority in MWh energy production, data centers and compute/AI research.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing
Simplicuis is expounding on theoretical breakthroughs, whereas NATO has concretely instantiated a super-weapon. If NATO has made such a practical breakthrough, then it will be obvious.
It will make it look like Russian weapons and staff are incompetent, but really, it is just a major innovation in warfare they simply cannot match or understand.
Emergent behavior by local rules creates global behavior can allow Ukraine particles to traverse the Russian semi-permeable membrane, modeled as percolative effect. See NetLOGO forest fire models and Sugarscape wars. Ai selects and iterates via simulation local rules that allow favorable emergent conditions.
Posted by: ICPtasking | Aug 10 2024 13:37 utc | 345
Please, invoking AI for a very simple dice rolling maneuver is something that amazes me, given the respect I have for the participants in these chats. The Ukros advance!!! so where do they go? to take a nuclear power plant to blackmail Russia? Russia was not under blackmail even when it had 2,000,000 enemies within spitting distance of Moscow and had lost an entire army. My idea is… either the new departments do the job they were called to do or the Helmsman changes (to my great disappointment). Borrowing from an episode of the godfather in which the boss said: there is an “adviser” for peace but now it is war and we need to change. We will see the consequences, but they will not be pleasant. One thing is clear, the USA is governed by those who govern Israel, whatever you say! So there are no dead ends.

Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 10 2024 23:13 utc | 350

I hate to say this, but the fact a sort of large incursion into Kurst managed to avoid getting spotted in advance, can be construed as impressive in these day and age of ISR overwatch.
The rumours flying around says anywhere from 5 Brigades and over a 1000 personnels were involved.
I caution everyone to approach this with a healthy dose of reservation. We do not know the full details.
I imagine small groups made probing attacks followed closely behind with the FPV operators who caused most of the damages. This was quickly reinforced with fast AFVs and small number of tanks. SPGs/MLRS have been prepositioned and used when possible.
So, the 5 “brigades” and 1000s of personnels cited could be as far back as Sumy proper getting whacked. The last 3 days saw over 100 glided bombs dropped on Sumy. Compared to over 400 since the start of the SMO.
Belgorod and Kurst have been declared CTO (Counter Terrorist Operation) areas, the largest ever for Russia. Huge debate amongst the Russian “armchair generals” bloggers as to why no Martial Law has been declared. 2 things to remember, this so called “experts” are not smart enough to be on the General Staff and not smart enough to be part of the Kremlin.
One other point, Ukraine and Israel fight dirty, no rule, no hold barred brawl action. US always goes in gung-ho style and kills everyone and everything that moves.
Are they winning?
Russia is not fighting a war, it’s illegal to start a war. Russia is fighting terrorism. US WOT went from Sept 2001 to Aug 2021 and ended with the Talibans back in power and images of the US fleeing Saigon style.
I submit Russia’s Feb 2022 Special Military Operation is proceeding successfully measured by any factors.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 11 2024 4:12 utc | 351

LEMMNING1 | Aug 10 2024 23:13 utc | 350
Lemmings are renowned for jumping off cliffs, drowning themselves in the sea.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2024 4:31 utc | 352

La Camarade | Aug 10 2024 15:35 utc | 346
You clowns are now as numerous as a pebble of gravel in a gravel pit. No wonder the Empire has to print so much money. I guess you are cheap as chips, but the shear numbers makes up a lot fiat currency.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2024 4:37 utc | 353

Getting back to tech, S mentioning that lancets were effectively countered by the AFU is troubling, it was the one thing that basically stoped AFU from using equipment in the open.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 10:53 utc | 314
Still a lot of Lancet strikes published on Lost Armour. More than sixty since the first of August and almost 1400 since January 1, 2024.
Granted, video published on a certain day/month doesn‘t mean, it is from that day.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 11 2024 8:41 utc | 354