Ukraine Open Thread 2024-188
News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...
Posted by b on August 8, 2024 at 13:13 UTC | Permalink
next page »Ukrainian Forces involved in Kursk:22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade
32nd Separate Mechanized Brigade
88th Separate Mechanized Brigade
54th Separate Reconnaissance Battalion,
the combined battaliin tactical grpup of the 82nd Separate Airborne Assault Brigade,
Combined unit of the 80th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade
Special Operations Forces "Ranger Corps"
103rd Separate Territorial Defense Brigade
129th Separate Territorial Defense Brigade
105th Separate Territorial Defense Brigade
115th Battalion of the 110th Separate Territorial Defense Brigade
49th Separate Artillery Brigade the 14th Separate UAV Regiment (represented by the Nachtigall Battalion, "Project M2" UAV group of the "A" Directorate of the Securiry Service of Ukraine Central and the Special Operations Forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine.All of the above units operate under a new tactical sign - a triangle.
The logistics centers are located in the Sumy region.
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1821510667154682003
Respectable size on paper, however, in reality, troop concentration for a border incursion on expenses of the other sectors on the front is disproportional. Simple minimal tactical gain without even getting close to the operational level not even thinking of exploiting anything. Those mechanized brigades are valuable assets that are much more useful in the other sectors. The brunt of casualties is on the territorial defense forces simply because they are mobilized, undertrained, and unmotivated to carry anything more than an attempt to secure the territory. As Russians are hitting their rear to disrupt communication and supplies it can force them to pull back especially when the flanking attack will follow shortly after. In any case, nothing more than a PR stunt and an unnecessary move for the sake of entertainment for the useless supporting masses in social media and Western warmongering politicians.
https://x.com/MihajlovicMike/status/1821537032658640903
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 8 2024 13:33 utc | 2
It looks like the first russian move on feb 22. Speed toward defined targets. The key word here is "look".
Posted by: Bald | Aug 8 2024 13:42 utc | 3
Kursk
Ukraine has made further advances although the rate is slowing. Should culminate in a few days the the Ukrainian equivalent of the kharkiv situation will begin. That is ukraine will dig in and defensible lines will be formed and Russia will be obliged to dig them out.
However this isn't the end of Ukrainian military power, this was probably about half of what they got after US aid was unblocked and conscription was increased. The conscripts are holding more static lines the veterans held when they were sent to Kursk.
The remainder will probably remain as reserves until new attack vectors are settled upon.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 8 2024 13:50 utc | 4
USA soldiers lost in this war: 0.
Orcs lost by russia: 300,000.
USA: Winning!
Posted by: Uncle Sam | Aug 8 2024 13:59 utc | 5
I may well be barking up the wrong tree but
the current Kiev/NATO 'Kursk offensive' reminds me somewhat of the Krynky incursion back in October 2023 that took place in the Kherson Oblast.
Back then, I always thought Krynky had the stench of a Perfidious Albion operation (specifically Naval intelligence) and Kursk seems something other branches of British state and military intelligence would come up with.
The early days of Krynky generated much speculation and angst as the assumption was this must be a prelude to something bigger, rather than an event in itself. The same logic is now playing out in Kursk, namely it must have a strategic and/or tactical goal: capturing Russia's gas supplies or a nuclear power plant for example.
In the end, a vast amount of Ukrainian soldiers and equipment was sacrificed for zero gain in Krynky and ultimately, I wonder if the same outcome awaits those Ukrainians and foreign mercs in Kursk? Time will indeed tell.
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 8 2024 14:03 utc | 6
@ Neofeudalfuture | Aug 8 2024 13:50 utc | 4
Which attack vectors? Why? Genuine questions. Extending oneself in more directions all the while collapsing in others has no strategic benefit, let alone more than one. With information available at the moment, all AFU gains is propaganda headlines. What is the goal? An overextended force trying to out-overextend the enemy who overextended them already? This looks like corpse convulsions.
I would also like to know how you calculate "about half", exactly. There is a lot of ass pulling going on around the topic everywhere right now, no need to add to it.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 8 2024 14:09 utc | 7
The result of the Kursk adventure will be the loss of Pokrovsk and the creation of a bridgehead on the eastern front, which will allow the enemy to encircle the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the future. British intelligence warned the Presidential Office about the plans of the Russian army in March, but Zelensky decided not to send reserves, but to strike the Kursk region.Russian troops captured the village of Sergeyevka, 15 km remain to Pokrovsk, reports Bild military analyst Julian Repke.
The Deep State map confirms the loss of this village. According to it, the Russian Federation has made significant progress in the Pokrovsk direction over the past 24 hours.
According to Repke, the speed of Russian advancement in this direction reaches 5 km per week, and the Ukrainian defense is “partially collapsing”.
At the beginning of the year, Russian troops were 38 km from Pokrovsk.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/23808
Posted by: Down South | Aug 8 2024 14:14 utc | 8
unimperator @ 2
Let's see. Ten brigades, a battalion and a corps. Does that add up to 1000 people? At best. Brigades the size of platoons. The brigadier is in Knightsbridge sipping vintage Scotch.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 8 2024 14:23 utc | 9
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 8 2024 13:33 utc | 2
Thank you for the list of Ukie formations.
Hope you are correct about this being a PR stunt, but I am a bit pessimistic and reckon there is more to the whole business.
I posted the following on b’s previous thread, but it still appears to be relevant, so I will repeat it here-
A big thank you to @unimperator and @down south for keeping us posted (ds really glad you’re back)
So it’s a matter of 2 or 3 magnitudes of uncertainty on the size of the attack , barely understandable short of reminding that the Kanopus can only see a 30km circle every 4 hours. I always said that too much could be done on the blind zone.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 12:57 utc | 349
Yes. I agree completely with the thanks to unimperator and DS. You cannot find this information easily anywhere I know about.
Also this Ukrainean operation is not small- see the list of ukie. formations listed by DS @345. The Ukrainean/NATO planning of this was apparently pretty good and they disguised their intent, timing and scale very well.
I accept that RF were surprised, and hope they have sufficient ready reserves to deploy against this situation-it may take a little time but this Ukie recon. in force will be defeated, and hopefully before it achieves any of its "objectives"-whatever they really are.
My guess is that those formations listed by DS@345 are not "green", and I wonder what effect their deployment in the Kursk area is having on the Donbas fighting, and for that matter anywhere else in West Russia.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 8 2024 14:27 utc | 10
Quite a few Russian drone surveillance videos showing initial breakthroughs and UA vehicles / forces operating but no strikes. One showing an FPV attempt on a recovery team but it missed by a few meters and the Ukrainian forces seemed unaffected. Strategy seems to include EW takedown of RF surveillance and FPV drones with only high altitude winged drones remaining operable.
Note, REB = EW
https://t.me/rustroyka1945/17695
About tactics.The Armed Forces of Ukraine, when entering Kursk, used relatively new tactics for themselves. They are deploying and using new units of "rangers" and conditionally new units trained according to a new scheme.
This tactic was recently tested in Kharkov, and those who saw it, signaled.
But it received no attention.What is the point?
The enemy in his native areas first normally "blows" the sky from our eyes, UAVs of the aircraft type.
Then, under a barrage, he brings out targeted electronic warfare assets almost to the first line.
Under the cover of targeted forces, electronic warfare brings out a huge number of its UAVs. Mavics on non-standard with boards that shift the range.
Guns and electronic warfare are useless.Under an incessant barrage of high-precision FPVs that go in swarms, he reduces the distance to the positions.
He enters and consolidates in empty dismantled trenches in small groups for 4-6 hours under the cover of UAVs.
The reb line is brought forward and the scheme is repeated.
A little later about the medicine. Stay with us.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 8 2024 14:33 utc | 11
@7 boneless
Re: vectors and asses
Well there's some guessing involved I only have open source information. But there's plenty of announcements of new weapon deliveries, there's some good info about production rates, more info about numbers mobilized.
Furthermore there's detailed information about the units involved which gives numbers of troops fighting. There's more info about specific battles which have a location. That gives info about intent and size of the attack.
I also use public propaganda announcements to derive information about the battle space. Propaganda is lies, but it's lies meant to cover up actual truth. This means propaganda has a correlation to the truth, if you can decode it.
In my opinion the next likely attack vector is an offensive to strike when Russias offensive to povrosk culminates, weater permitting.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 8 2024 14:41 utc | 12
Posted by: Uncle Sam | Aug 8 2024 13:59 utc | 5
Just make it 3,000,000 if that helps you finish faster in the sock; it's as good as the other number you've taken out of your AIDS ridden ass.
Meanwhile, Rogozin advises:
Dear Nezygar! Don't have any illusions! Here is a statement from the EU Foreign Policy Service:
"The right to defend oneself also includes the right to strike at the enemy on his territory." And you say to them: "How is that possible! Excuse me, gentlemen!.. You are beasts, gentlemen!...." Hm. A voice crying in the wilderness...The plan for a surprise invasion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the Kursk region was agreed upon in advance with Mons (NATO Joint Forces Headquarters in Europe). The resources of the US, UK and French intelligence communities were fully engaged in its preparation. Western military equipment was used at full capacity. And then, apparently counting on idiots, they put on a show, pretending to request information from Kyiv about the "sortie" they had carried out.😂😂😂
Syrsky is a capable military leader, even though he is a Vlasovite. His back was covered by the coordinated position of Bankova and Western conductors. And you are still making plans for PR companies...
So fight and don't expect sympathy and applause. Our diplomats in Europe and the US won't help you. The time for diplomacy is long over. Communication between local authorities and them has been reduced to zero. I also have the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Russia, but in my current real life I use not six foreign languages, but a Kalashnikov assault rifle, drones, electronic warfare and electronic intelligence.
Posted by: Boo | Aug 8 2024 14:44 utc | 13
This is a propaganda offensive.
What we are reading is an (auto?) translation of Ukrainian sourced Russian language propaganda aimed at demoralising the Russian population.
Judging by the massive increase in volunteers for the Russian armed forces, it is having exactly the opposite effect to that intended.
Accusations of military stupidity and incompetence are being hurled in the wrong direction.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Aug 8 2024 14:50 utc | 14
I wish the Russians would stop messing about otherwise this will last as long as WW2 they should turn Kiev into Gaza and hit some NATO assets, i have always supported Putin but this is costing more lives, after 2.5 years the front lines have not moved much, now the Nazis are terrorizing civilians in Kursk.
Posted by: Englishman | Aug 8 2024 14:51 utc | 15
The main purpose is terrorizing civilians and 'weaken Putin'. Handwriting of British/EU terrorists.
From our contributor:This one is awesome. Really.
Podolyak is explaining how the attack in the Kursk region will help them get better position in the negotiations.He made a Freudian slip though:
And if you go to negotiations on the terms of Russia, it doesn't matter. They can first say some very vague needs, and then fall a little. But still, they will consider it.So this talking piece of furniture tries to convince the audience that "the attack is to scare Russians" and make them think that the SMO is unnecessary.
In this regard, the role of some channels that spread dooming news is also quite interesting - did they do that on purpose or were they fed the right information to spread the panic?Moreover, as it was mentioned before - residents of the Kursk region have started receiving calls from Ukrainian special services, posing as Russian military personnel, and informing them of an evacuation and the urgent need to leave Kursk, the regional authorities said.
So, we can see a terroristic attack combined with heavy Psyops attack.Personally, I doubt this will help Ukraine to gain anything, more likely, they will lose more than they could lose before this performance in near-border region.
But it looks like they are ready to negotiate. But the background for the start of the negotiations will be less favorable than two months ago.And what was interesting to watch - Podolyak makes a statement and immediately agrees with it himself, not giving a chance for the interviewer to respond. Does he really believe that Russians are scared and feel nothing but fear? If so, he is very wrong.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 8 2024 15:01 utc | 16
Purpose of the attack on Kursk is to try and goad the Russians to overreact and possibly to negatively affect the Russian Civilian morale. I honestly believe the US/EU/NATO ghouls really want Russia to use a nuclear weapon. Russia can counter by going to a hard defense of Kursk, fix the Ukraine forces and attrit them with air assets and long-range fires while the conscript units that have been serving in Russia can be maneuvered to surround the salient into Kursk. Then the Ukrainian forces will be forced to withdraw, surrender or die.
Posted by: Matt | Aug 8 2024 15:10 utc | 17
The best defense is often a strategic offense, imagine the majority of the Ukrainian army infiltrating Russia through Kursk and concentrating around one of its major regional cities and unleashing a fight to the death around it. Do not tell me that would not impress the world insofar as it would be quite memorable, no?
Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 8 2024 15:13 utc | 18
Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 8 2024 15:13 utc | 18
sounds like you are having a wet dream.... or fantasy
Posted by: ctiger | Aug 8 2024 15:26 utc | 19
Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 8 2024 15:13 utc | 18
sequels are usually not as popular if the first one was a great piece.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 8 2024 15:33 utc | 20
A subjective account of the circumstances leading up to the Kursk attack. I won’t post the whole thing, auto-translate reads fine.
🇷🇺🇺🇦Kursk direction: who will answer?We rarely allow ourselves emotional posts when the question concerns military actions.
After all, while people are working on the front lines, acting in a single camp with those who are lost is a thankless task.
However, the enemy was accumulating forces for two months . For two months, all the information was sent to the useless higher headquarters. There was enough time to make the appropriate decision . In the Kursk region, the lessons from the sad and tragic experience of Belgorod were not taken into account .
…
🇷🇺🇺🇦Kursk direction: who is to blame and what to do?If you read the lower and profile Telegram, you get the impression that everyone knew everything about everything , but kept silent or did not pay attention.
In fact, when such operational crises occur, you involuntarily pay attention to several things.
▪️Who was the official responsible for the defense in this area?
▪️Who was before him ?
▪️Whose area of responsibility was this?
▪️What was the attention drawn to ?
…
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 8 2024 15:34 utc | 21
Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 8 2024 15:13 utc | 18
Yes, that is the exact PR stunt ukr and NATO are able to do.
Once ukr is in filtered and conquest a city they will be doomed and die in a few day or weeks without proper supply chain.
That is what will happen to the guys in kusk region, cut the supply chain and they will die or surrender in a few weeks.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 8 2024 15:40 utc | 22
lots of gnashing of teeth in the comments section, lol...
Posted by: james | Aug 8 2024 15:53 utc | 23
Posted by: Mario | Aug 8 2024 15:40 utc | 22
most likely. and then this great pr stunt will be memoryholed by the western populations with their miniscule attentionspan.
until the nato-backed kiev terrorregime tries another one.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 8 2024 15:54 utc | 24
Zelensky has allegedly (extremely dystopian if true) sold 70% of all Ukrainian farmland to BlackRock, Monsanto, Vanguard.
The Russians should play on that they come to free the people from foreign owners, and with the promise to return the land to the native population.
Posted by: Rune Denmark | Aug 8 2024 15:56 utc | 25
War brtween Iran and Israel would be very good for Russia, as USA would have to arm Israel and not Ukraine? but Putin is puting preasure on Iran not to retaliate.
Strange.
Somebody like Igor Strelkov would be much better for Russia.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 8 2024 16:01 utc | 26
anon2020 @ Aug 8 2024 14:33 utc | 11
Thanks, interesting information!
Won't be long until Russia copies the idea with added FAB and TOS strikes.
Also doesn't sound like something that can be kept up for more than a week.
Posted by: SOS | Aug 8 2024 16:03 utc | 27
Telegram Slavyangrad rather muted about the Kursk offensive. Web site I look at on Rumble all too much hand wringing and nail biting.
I have missed for over a year the Yuri Podolyaka subtitled 5 minute reviews that used to appear on Slavyangrad. If anyone knows where his videos subtitled in English might be, I would appreciate.
I watched and listened to the Russian vid of 07/08 (aug 07) and it showed the Ukr advance. No drama, just the same voice as always. And then the other fronts showing the very steady accelerated gains all over the rest. Same voice.
Ritter will be a little absorbed in other things. I will see if Davis or Mcgregor have any analysis about about Sumy. So far no "battle of the bulge" analogies.
I just keep thinking, why did Ukraine do this now and there. I just hope that the RF has a very potent force around the Zap NPP. That would truly be the only place UKR can do lasting damage to RF (and also to themselves).
Posted by: paxmark1 | Aug 8 2024 16:08 utc | 28
Somebody messed up. The Ukes should have been spotted prior to the attack. Civilians should have been evacuated. Yes the Ukes are going to get slaughtered. Yes they accomplished nothing. But the fact is, somebody messed up. Disciplinary hearing is overdue. Someone needs to get spanked by Putin.
Posted by: Leroy | Aug 8 2024 16:09 utc | 29
The Aussie Cossack telegram channel has several post about this Kursk adventure (aka an invasion of Russia by NATO backed armed forces) allowing Russia greater freedom to act militarily in Ukraine.
There is a post showing a representative of the Orthodox Church calling for the bloodshed to be ended by a show of Russian nuclear power, and another post by Medvedev stating that Kiev and Oddessa must now be taken and that diplomatic issues with the west are no longer important.
Many other people on many channels have also commented that as Russia has clearly been invaded with force, a force clearly supported by hostile powers within NATO, Russian civillians killed, places of worship burned and shelled, and national security threatened, that the legal threshold for the use of tactical nuclear weapons has been met.
As others have speculated, the Kursk invasion has untied Putins hands to use all available means in this war.
Analysts not considering and discussing this are not paying attention - they need to see the bigger picture.
Richie.
Posted by: Richie from Boston | Aug 8 2024 16:10 utc | 30
Alexander Mikhailov doesn't seem worry. In fact it's a trap and the ukies won't know what hit them when it does.
Posted by: AI | Aug 8 2024 16:11 utc | 31
AI do not normally add on a second comment quickly, but
Attributing the attack to Syrsky. This seems more Budanov - ish and MI6 than usOfaCIA. Syrsky would have had to sign off on it. Knowing full well that all glory of success would accrue elsewhere, but that the failure would stick to him also.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Aug 8 2024 16:18 utc | 32
Posted by: SOS | Aug 8 2024 16:03 utc | 27
A US FO (Forward Observer), in WW2 NWE, reckoned all the infantry did was fight so that he could shift his position onto another piece of high ground. What’s old is new, it seems.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 16:22 utc | 33
Has anyone else noticed that the Ukrops have just formed a cauldron around themselves, a firebag for themselves. Whenever the full Russian defence arrives they can close the bag at the border. It's only about 5kms across. Not one Ukie invader still in Russia will ever get back home. End result, a few hundred Russian deaths, many many thousands of AFU deaths. Just another attrition misadventure.
Posted by: James IV | Aug 8 2024 16:22 utc | 34
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 8 2024 14:27 utc | 10
Updates on western channels mention a "too clean" 30km advance (korenovo/ivnitsa/bolshoe)
Some mention an extra 6 kms on the northern axis.
Regardless of true extent, it seems a clear recon in force through the 3 roads that exit the border area. That should be vulnerable.
Some questions, are there still any ADs (here were news of destroyed AFU BUKs) ? If not why no carpet bombing from high up, manpads have limited altitude range? Even if attacked that could show AD and be shortly visited by hypersonics (destruction of AD in the Sumy region is a priority now).
No kornets? Border troops and forces from the towns should have been able to wipe out this advance. Or as was stated above the "rangers" clean before mech advances? Another question to be answered.
Counter wedge, RF should have enough forces to close the forces in a full cauldron. Let's wait and see...
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 16:22 utc | 35
Has anyone else noticed that the Ukrops have just formed a cauldron around themselves, a firebag for themselves. Whenever the full Russian defence arrives they can close the bag at the border. It's only about 5kms across. Not one Ukie invader still in Russia will ever get back home. End result, a few hundred Russian deaths, many many thousands of AFU deaths. Just another attrition misadventure.
Posted by: James IV | Aug 8 2024 16:22 utc | 34
As I mentioned in the previous post, a counter wedge straightening the line would have the added bonus of closing reserves and logistic units in the cauldron. Close by Yunakivka.
It seems insane, looks like someone saw too many Hollywood films where the hero enters the beast's mouth and kills him from inside...
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 16:29 utc | 36
This Ukie "offensive" is a sad sideshow which will just lead to more Ukrainian deaths while the Russians will not be goaded into over-reacting nor taking their focus off the Donbass.
If you look at a map of the Pokrovsk area, you will see that the town of Hrodivka is about 7km from the centre of Pokrovsk. The Russians have now fully taken Vesele and moved from there to the outskirts of Hrodivka which at the current Russian pace may be fully stormed within a week. Ivanivka, just north of Vesele has also fallen allowing Hrodivka to be flanked from the north.
To the south Zhelanne and Serhivka are also taken, allowing the Russians to advance along the railway to Novohrodivka, which also sits 7km from the centre of Pokrovsk. The Russians can then follow the railway line all the way into Pokrovsk as a southern pincer, with the northern pincer coming from Hrodivka.
At the same time the forces attacking the Niu York area and those attacking Toretsk are close to joining up and surrounding the remaining 2014-era fortifications and facilitating a southern attack on Toretsk, or even a bypassing manoeuvre to the west to cut off Toretsk and advance toward Kostyantynivka.
The troops that will be destroyed near Kursk are desperately needed in the Donbass, instead they will be squandered.
Sasha Kots has reported from the front line (anything to get past these comments from small-minded doomers and NAFO provocateurs).
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 16:31 utc | 38
The lack of self-awareness on this blog is stunning.
This is the exact same story playing out as in the Kharkov counter-offensive of 2022.
Back then, MoA was overlowing with derisive, sardonic posters claiming the Ukies had just shot their wad or were walking into the mother of all traps or firebag. Russian counter-counteroffensive was on the way ! Cue the videos of trainloads of tanks rolling to the front.
Here we are two years later, and Russia still hasn't retaken Kupyansk by the way, although it has been confidently announced half a dozen of times. Hint to the the blusterin'barflies : before yapping about Odessa, maybe just wait until Russia is again able to go until Izyum ?
This Kursk offensive is a black eye for Russia. Only clueless Anglo blusterin' barflies manage to divine some kind of trap or dismiss it as a PR stunt. The Russian telegramsphere is just seething with anger, and all military correspondents are uniformly critical of the Kremlin - just read Rurik Skywalker for God's sake.
By the way, whatever happened to this famous red line about Ukraine never attacking Russia proper ? Yet another red line being blown away. Ukie troops confidently waltz into Russia towards a strategic nuclear facility, and Putin talks about "a provocation". Senile old geezer.
Posted by: Micron | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 39
Seems there is a decent chance the command/planning team of Sudzha attack were destroyed.
Explosive insider info from IZANKAToday, the Ukrainian Air Force reported that they missed two “Iskanders” during the night, claiming that “two enemy missiles hit a forested area.”
🥷 One of our sources (who often shares footage you all love) revealed that the night strike targeted the main UAF air defense and defense command post of Kharkov, located in the settlement of Malinovka, Kharkov Region!!! At the time of the strike, the following key UAF officials were present:
🟠 Drapaty;
🟠 Hnatov;
🟠 Pivnenko;
🟠 Horbatyuk.These three deputy chiefs of the General Staff and commander Pivnenko are essentially the command team behind Operation “Sudzha.”
Information about the strike on Malinovka was also mentioned today in one of the Ukrainian Telegram channels (we won’t advertise it, it’s in the screenshot). If the source’s information is confirmed, this could be one of the most resonant events on the internet in the past couple of years.
🕊 The source promises footage soon…
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 40
Ukraine - a military game of chicken with a psychological effect
Ukraine's surprise advance into Russian territory threatens to become a suicide mission. But it could undermine the Russians' faith in Putin's propaganda.
quality german commentary. the kursk misadventure will fail, BUUUUUUUUT muh putin propaganda.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 8 2024 16:43 utc | 41
By the way, whatever happened to this famous red line about Ukraine never attacking Russia proper ?
Posted by: Micron | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 39
#############
Read #40.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 16:43 utc | 42
Sasha Kots has reported from the front line (anything to get past these comments from small-minded doomers and NAFO provocateurs).
Sasha Kots
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 16:31 utc | 38
So the "too neat" 30 kms in the 3 directions was crap, thanks for the update on the R200 axis.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 16:45 utc | 43
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 8 2024 13:33 utc | 2
The fact these units have no over-arching parent organisation is indicative of a Ukrainian weakness that no amount of drones can address. Five brigades is attacking with five individual digits, sure you can do damage, but those brigades in a regimental/divisional command structure fold them into a fist or extend together to form a flat hand. Scratches, tears and gouges versus, punches and crushing/stunning blows.
Posted by: Roger | Aug 8 2024 16:31 utc | 37
High risk, high reward operations are normally driven by desperation or conceived by commanders with serious psychological issues about their abilities. I guess the calculus that drove this move was: do we use the reserves to delay the inevitable, or mount an operation that could change the status-quo? In a contest between hope v’s resigned to reality, the former has a good chance of winning out, whatever the odds of success.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 16:50 utc | 44
It seems to me that the Ukranian army is serious about capturing and holding territory, that being the only way they stand a chance of getting the land they want back in any sort of peace deal. At this point the Russians have proven themselves capable of screwing things up in any way possible so I am skeptical this won't just become another stalemate.
Posted by: VeraK | Aug 8 2024 16:54 utc | 46
Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 8 2024 16:52 utc | 45
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To what end?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 16:59 utc | 47
Posted by: Micron | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 39 "strategic nuclear facility"
Are you talking about a nuclear power plant or a nuclear weapons storage area?
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2024 16:59 utc | 48
It is highly disappointing that Russia continues to allow this BS to take place. The longer Ukraine exists, the more chances they have to get lucky. This war should have been over two years ago.
Posted by: Gnome Sane | Aug 8 2024 17:00 utc | 49
Posted by: Micron | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 39
Do you understand the phrase, ‘the enemy gets a vote’? Do you understand that high-risk high reward operations are only countenanced by the side that knows it’s losing. If it’s winning why risk anything, unless the timetable demands speed of action. Russia holds the clock, so why rush? Methodical advances versus spectacular incursions, which course of action suggests desperation?
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 17:00 utc | 50
Posted by: VeraK | Aug 8 2024 16:54 utc | 46
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Did you write this for yourself?
The Russians will NEVER cede territory from Russia proper. They will start launching nukes first.
There is one peace deal that has been offered multiple times.
Complete surrender and a Constitution that bans NATO and Naziism.
Or continue to die. While people are getting excited about Kursk, Russia is rapidly taking Ukrainian territory right now.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:02 utc | 51
Posted by: Micron | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 39 "Do you understand the phrase, ‘the enemy gets a vote’?"
Your statement is as applicable to the "3 Day War" that launched this mess, now some 900 days ago.
Here is a bunch of people talking about on Russian TV. https://twitter.com/i/status/1697553040071430306
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2024 17:04 utc | 52
Posted by: VeraK | Aug 8 2024 16:54 utc | 46
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Krynki
Avdeevka
All those, and many more, were stalemates apparently. As for screwing up, which army doesn’t, when there in a war, the trick is to fight somebody who screws up more!
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 17:04 utc | 53
Posted by: Micron | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 39
Micron you old fascist cheerleading troll, how are you? We haven’t seen you since,…since the Russian strategic retreat from Kharkov that you bizarrely refer to as the Ukrainian counter offensive of 2022.
Remind us all what’s happened between then and now. Come on, do tell us. How was the Ukrainian counter offensive of 2023? Is that why we’ve not been hearing your Nazi cheerleading until this latest PR stunt? Leaving already? Do pass on our best wishes to Drapaty, Hinatov, Pivnenko and Horbatyuk.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2024 17:06 utc | 54
The equation is as follows: mess with belgorod : lose kharkov.
mess with kursk : lose sumy.
Posted by: Dante | Aug 8 2024 17:07 utc | 55
Uncle Sam.
The US has lost many troops in Ukraine especially in Mariupol - its also lost many military training personnel - as has France, and the UK and Germany - oh and a shitload of mercenaries from these and other nations, have fell into the meat grinder.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 8 2024 17:11 utc | 56
ZH has a posting up with the title
For The First Time, F-16 Fighter Jets Spotted In Combat Over Ukraine
The quotes
A Russian official in Ukraine's Kherson region has reported that a US-supplied F-16 fighter jet has been seen flying over the southern Ukrainian territory which lies just north of Crimea. This marks a first sighting in Ukrainian skies, after this past weekend President Zelensky confirmed the arrival of the initial batch of the jet fighters from European partners.Pavel Filipchuk, the head of the administration of the Kakhovka municipal district in the Kherson Region, posted to Telegram Thursday the following message: "F-16s have been flying over our district since yesterday." No verified video of the flights over the region have emerged just yet, however.
The Russian official followed by expressed confidence that "they will be shot down and destroyed soon," according to state-run Sputnik.
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Prior statements of US defense officials confirmed that the Pentagon is equipping the F-16s with advanced weaponry and modern missiles.As the The Wall Street Journal previously indicated, this will include air-to-ground AGM-88 HARM missiles, bomb sights, diameter bombs, AMRAAM advanced air-to-air missiles, and AIM-9X short-range air-to-air missiles.
Supposedly 10 have been delivered out of a pledged 79....has the first one already been taken out as we saw reported?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 8 2024 17:13 utc | 57
High risk, high reward operations are normally driven by desperation or conceived by commanders with serious psychological issues about their abilities. I guess the calculus that drove this move was: do we use the reserves to delay the inevitable, or mount an operation that could change the status-quo? In a contest between hope v’s resigned to reality, the former has a good chance of winning out, whatever the odds of success.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 16:50 utc | 44
Ignore all the noise, apparently it's all smoke and mirrors. Stopped early and now just noise.
Apparently those responsible, and not only meat sent in, were already punished.
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1821580512894353496
And to finish I'd leave this translation and link pinched from somewhere else
D. Medvedev's statement on Kursk:
The reasons and goals of the terrorist operation of the Ukrainian Nazis in the Kursk region have already been reflected in detail and objectively in the analytics. This is the desire to profitably show off the remnants of their dwindling forces to their masters in order to receive a new portion of money and weapons, and an attempt to thin out our battle formations on the main line of confrontation, pulling part of the forces to Kursk and Belgorod, and a temporary informational transformation of betrayal into victory.
It is necessary to learn a serious lesson from what happened and fulfill what Chief of General Staff V. Gerasimov promised the Supreme Commander-in-Chief - to mercilessly defeat and destroy the enemy.
There is another important political and legal consequence of what happened. From now on, the SVO must acquire an openly extraterritorial character . This is no longer just an operation to return our official territories and punish the Nazis. We can and must go to the lands of the still existing Ukraine. To Odessa, to Kharkov, to Dnepropetrovsk, to Nikolaev. To Kiev and further. There should be no restrictions in the sense of some borders of the Ukrainian Reich recognized by someone. And now we can and must talk about this openly, without embarrassment and diplomatic curtseys. The terrorist operation of the Banderites must remove any taboos from this topic. Let everyone, including the English bastards, realize this: we will stop only when we consider it acceptable and beneficial for ourselves.
Blessed memory to the dead: military and civilian, all who came under heavy fire from neo-Nazis. The best memory of them is a carefully thought-out retribution. Recovery to all the wounded.
https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/522
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 17:13 utc | 58
It's about time to nuke Washington and London.
Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 8 2024 16:52 utc | 45
Shadowbanned? You returned?
Why would that be? AFU just offered two elite brigades (the 22nd OMBR and the 80th ODSHBR) to the slaughter.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 17:21 utc | 59
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 16:50 utc | 44
“High risk, high reward operations are normally driven by desperation or conceived by commanders with serious psychological issues about their abilities.”
Hmm, reminds me of one stable genius deciding in february 22: ‘3 days or bust’
Been congratulating himself ever since :-)
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:21 utc | 60
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 17:13 utc | 58
quoting Medvedev:
‘we will stop only when we consider it acceptable and beneficial for ourselves.’
I find it really encouraging that someone like Medvedev doesnt realise that the enemy gets a vote. It will, and already has, blow up on their faces spectacularly.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:25 utc | 61
Hmm, reminds me of one stable genius deciding in february 22: ‘3 days or bust’
Been congratulating himself ever since :-)Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:21 utc | 60
Hmm I've only ever read that in Western MSM Media.
Steve Rosenberg has been very busy in that domain.
Posted by: MAKK | Aug 8 2024 17:28 utc | 62
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 16:50 utc | 44
Stuff like this makes one come back to MoA.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 8 2024 17:31 utc | 63
It's really simple, two yes or no questions need to be answered correctly to determine what is going on.
1) Did the Russians get caught with their pants down? (again) Speculating at this time is largely pointless as there's too much fluff in the air. Either way we'll know definitively within the next week or two after all the breathless non-updates calm down and more objective voices provide real info.
If YES then it's their bad and there's no sugar coating it or "5d chess" magic excuse making. This would be the second time there was a large build-up the Russians knew about and ignored by keeping their side lightly defended, relatively speaking. In short it was their ball to drop and UAF gets a gold star for taking advantage of that fumble (or Budanov/SBU/Nato/"the west" etc) If this is the case then the proof will be in the pudding as the line will solidify somewhere 10's of km inside RF territory and then there will be a slow gradual grind that takes weeks or months to unwind it.
If NO and they planned for this, then likely within a week or two at the most the LOC will be more or less back at the border and this story will largely disappear from the news. Maybe they really did know and plan properly for this and the UAF are walking into a giant fire-bag trap, if that's the case they won't be able to hold their positions for very long no matter how many reinforcements they send.
Either way the slow pace of this conflict "we're taking our time to win!" has given the UAF and their backers significant breathing room to be able to prepare these kinds of nasty surprises, so this SHOULD NOT have been a surprise to anyone in RF command.
2) Is this part of a 1-2 punch?
If YES then it's entirely possible the Russians are making a calculated gamble by waiting for the other shoe to drop before heavily shifting troops from other parts of the LOC to deal with this. Of course they're not going to do nothing and will send more forces to the area, but more with the intent of stopping and containing the UAF versus dropping the hammer on them and clearing them from the border by this time tomorrow. Until the second punch lands, there will be the potential threat to multiple different areas of the front.
If NO then the UAF is likely in for for some deep trouble as this will become a larger version of Krynki where they bleed themselves out mostly for nothing while the RF continues to advance in other areas of the front.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 8 2024 17:31 utc | 64
I wish the Russians would stop messing about otherwise this will last as long as WW2 they should turn Kiev into Gaza and hit some NATO assets, i have always supported Putin but this is costing more lives, after 2.5 years the front lines have not moved much, now the Nazis are terrorizing civilians in Kursk.
Posted by: Englishman | Aug 8 2024 14:51 utc | 15
Shadowbanned said there is treachery in the government and military.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 8 2024 17:35 utc | 65
Posted by: MAKK | Aug 8 2024 17:28 utc | 62
“Hmm I've only ever read that in Western MSM Media”
Yeah, I was fairly surprised that RT didnt have a headline at the beginning of march 22
’We cleared our schedule for the victory parade, but putin didn’t deliver.
Hang him by the balls’. Can you think of a reason?
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:37 utc | 66
Another brutal day for Ukraine, 2110 killed and wounded. You wouldn't know it from the trolls, but the rest of the SMO is still going on.. In case interested, the daily report from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel
(8 August 2024)
Part I
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
▫️Units of the Sever Group of Forces inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 22nd, 25th mechanised brigades, 36th Marine Brigade, 88th, 103rd, 123rd territorial defence brigades near Zhuravka, Belovody, Yunakovka (Sumy region), Volchansk (Kharkov region), and Daryino (Kursk region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 415 Ukrainian troops, four tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles, 14 armoured personnel carriers, 12 pickup trucks, three 152-mm D-20 howitzers, two 122-mm D-30 howitzers, and two Bukovel-AD electronic warfare stations.
▫️Units of the Zapad Group of Forces improved the tactical situation and inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 14th, 44th, 67th, 116th mechanised brigades, 3rd Assault Brigade, 110th, 241st territorial defence brigades, and 1st National Guard Brigade near Sinkovka, Petropavlovka, Novoyegorovka, Tabayevka (Kharkov region), Stelmakhovka (Lugansk People's Republic), and Novosadovoye (Donetsk People's Republic).
One counter-attack launched by an assault detachment of the AFU 116th Mechanised Brigade was repelled.
The AFU losses amounted to more than 460 Ukrainian troops, one infantry fighting vehicle, one Kozak armoured fighting vehicle, one U.S.-made MaxxPro armoured fighting vehicle, 13 motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, three 122-mm D-30 howitzers, two Czech-made Vampire MLRS combat vehicles, and one Bukovel-AD electronic warfare station. Two AFU ammunition depots were destroyed.
▫️Units of the Yug Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and positions. Losses were inflicted on manpower and hardware of the AFU 23rd, 24th, 67th mechanised brigades, 5th, 10th assault brigades, and 10th Mountain Assault Brigade near Chasov Yar, Grigorovka, Ostroye, Ivano-Daryevka, and Vyemka (Donetsk People's Republic). Two counter-attacks launched by formations of the AFU 5th Assault Brigade were repelled.
The AFU losses amounted to up to 660 Ukrainian troops, two armoured personnel carriers, including one U.S.-made M113 armoured personnel carrier, nine motor vehicles, two U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzers, one Polish-made 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery system, one UK-made 155-mm AS-90 self-propelled artillery system, one UK-made 155-mm FH-70 howitzer, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, two 122-mm D-30 howitzers, one UK-made 105-mm L-119 howitzer, and two Anklav-N electronic warfare stations.
▫️Units of the Tsentr Group of Forces continued to take active actions and inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 1st Tank Brigade, 31st, 32nd, 117th mechanised brigades, 95th Air Assault Brigade, 109th, and 111th territorial defence brigades near Nikolayevka, Tarasovka, Toretsk, Grodovka, and Panteleymonovka (Donetsk People's Republic). Two counter-attacks launched by assault detachments of the AFU 25th Airborne Brigade and 142nd Infantry Brigade were repelled.
The AFU losses amounted to up to 360 Ukrainian troops, one UK-made Spartan armoured personnel carrier, three armoured fighting vehicles, eight motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, one 152-mm Giatsint-B howitzer, and one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.
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⚡️🇷🇺 Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation
(8 August 2024)
Part II
▫️Units of the Vostok Group of Forces improved the tactical situation along the front lines and inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade and 58th Motorised Infantry Brigade near Vodyanoye and Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic). One counter-attack launched by an enemy assault detachment was repelled.
The AFU losses amounted to up to 105 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, 10 motor vehicles, one UK-made 155-mm FH-70 towed howitzer, one Polish-made 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery system, one U.S.-made 155-mm Paladin self-propelled artillery system, one U.S.-made 155-mm M198 howitzer, and one U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery warfare station. Two AFU ammunition depots were destroyed.
▫️Units of the Dnepr Group of Forces inflicted losses on formations of the AFU 128th Mountain Assault Brigade, 35th Marine Brigade, and 124th Territorial Defence Brigade near Stepnogorsk (Zaporozhye region), Novotyaginka and Antonovka (Kherson region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 110 Ukrainian troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, seven motor vehicles, one 152-mm Giatsint-B howitzer, three 152-mm D-20 howitzers, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, one UK-made 105-mm L-119 howitzer, and two Bukovel-AD electronic warfare stations.
▫️Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces delivered strikes at UAV assembly workshops, as well as engaged AFU manpower and hardware clusters in 164 areas during the day.
▫️Air defence units shot down one MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, 12 U.S.-made HIMARS MLRS projectiles, and 80 unmanned aerial vehicles, including 21 outside the special military operation zone.
📊In total, 636 airplanes and 278 helicopters, 29,402 unmanned aerial vehicles, 563 air defence missile systems, 16,937 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,398 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 12,976 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 24,528 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.
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Posted by: ctiger | Aug 8 2024 17:37 utc | 67
The Ukrainians are digging in and also flying helicopters over Russian territory. They are certainly more daring and energetic than Russian soldiers.
According to my information, the enemy has begun to build fortifications [they have begun to dig trenches, dugouts and caponiers for equipment in full profile] on the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk region.In particular, in the area of the regional center of Sudzha, platoon/company strongholds are being deployed for small groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 2-3 units of armored vehicles. The manpower of the Ukrainian Nazis is located in residential buildings, where positions and temporary accommodation points for personnel are being equipped.
The enemy continues to transfer infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, tanks and armored vehicles, including those made in the USA, to the territory of the Russian Federation from the adjacent territory.
@voenkorKotenok
In the area of the settlement of Sudzha, enemy helicopters have been spotted flying into Russian airspace.In addition to delivering personnel, ammunition, etc., they are used to evacuate the enemy's wounded.
@voenkorKotenok
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 8 2024 17:38 utc | 68
Posted by: MAKK | Aug 8 2024 17:28 utc | 62 “Hmm I've only ever read that in Western MSM Media”
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:37 utc | 66 "Yeah, I was fairly surprised that RT didnt have a headline at the beginning...
Um, they pretty much did:
Here is a bunch of people talking about on Russian TV. https://twitter.com/i/status/1697553040071430306
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2024 17:50 utc | 69
thought this was worth passing on, hope it is accurate (from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel)
BREAKING
‼️🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🇩🇪🏴☠️ The main command headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kharkiv region was destroyed by two Iskander-M missiles.
According to specialized resources, up to 20 Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel were eliminated as a result of the strike, including the highest-ranking officers:
▪️Mykhailo Drapatiy — Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Commander of the Kharkiv Group of Forces.
▪️Andriy Gnatov — Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
▪️Oleksandr Pivnenko — Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine.
▪️Volodymyr Gorbatyuk — Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
Posted by: ctiger | Aug 8 2024 17:53 utc | 70
This invasion will stay for a long time. They are not able to pass through ukrainian fortifications, it takes ages.
There are consequences for incompetence in the real world.
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 71
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:21 utc | 60
Why not mild desperation, Minsk was a con, NATO were ever-imbedding and their proxy was preparing to attack the Donbas. His trust in this military was not very high (RAF) only told of the plans 48 hours before SMO, some soldiers unaware. Solution, Coup-de-main, risky but potential big payoff.
Nearly falls into NATO trap, but has an alternative plan, NATO did not. Russian alternative plan fit the current state of the military well, both doctrinally and capabilities-wise. NATO’s ad-hoc re-armament and static defence did not.
So desperation and frustration, but the ability to improvise, adapt, weld the three institutions of state together (military, political, economic) to purse one goal, with a historical aptitude for innovation means it’s the Z man who is desperate.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 72
Ok, as the SMO is more than Kursk
The numbers for may mortality came in and they do confirm an uptick.
Raw excess mortality 4.500 so my usual estimate for RF KIA would be 5.700. That can amount to up to 12.000-15.000 permanent casualties (kia+ permanently wia)
With a 5 to 1 ratio we’d be taliking about something like a minimum of 60.000 irreversible losses for the AFU, the announced 2.000 daily tally we know and love.
So every quarter AFU is bleeding no less than 200k, will another 200k be enough or are 400k needed for them to fold? Bets on the left, critics on the right please.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 17:57 utc | 73
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 71
What Ukrainian fortifications?
Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 8 2024 17:57 utc | 74
thought this was worth passing on, hope it is accurate (from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel)
BREAKING
‼️🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🇩🇪🏴☠️ The main command headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kharkiv region was destroyed by two Iskander-M missiles.
According to specialized resources, up to 20 Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel were eliminated as a result of the strike, including the highest-ranking officers:
▪️Mykhailo Drapatiy — Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Commander of the Kharkiv Group of Forces.
▪️Andriy Gnatov — Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Commander of the Joint Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
▪️Oleksandr Pivnenko — Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine.
▪️Volodymyr Gorbatyuk — Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
Posted by: ctiger | Aug 8 2024 17:53 utc | 70
Hope so as well, I posted the link @58
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 18:00 utc | 75
One thing you can be sure of..the pro NATO anti-intellectuals are belligerent and unimaginative. As the last gasp forces are ground into hamburger still they post their jingoist, maximalist insanity, thundering about how Russia and Putin will pay!
And yet, as we can see, it's the opposite. NATO is being utterly outplayed. This is the problem with know-nothings raised in a permissive environment where they can only fail upwards, deeper into the military industrial complex. A group of psychopathic yes men with the collective strategic nous of a swarm of rats, and about as effective.
Humility is something best learned young.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 8 2024 18:03 utc | 76
So desperation and frustration, but the ability to improvise, adapt, weld the three institutions of state together (military, political, economic) to purse one goal, with a historical aptitude for innovation means it’s the Z man who is desperate.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 72
Nicely put.
Now , assume the AFU is bleeding no less than 200.000 per quarter, how many quarters would you assume they can hold?
The important question is, can they hold to the US elections at that rate?
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 18:04 utc | 77
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2024 17:50 utc | 69
Hmm, looks like most of it is boasting before the invasion. Still, I accept the correction. Let’s see if any of those who say it never happened, will. And of course none of those called for consequences when it didnt happen.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 18:04 utc | 78
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 72
Not desperation, incompetence.
As evidenced by this: ‘ only told of the plans 48 hours before SMO’
2 and a half years, hundreds of thousands maimed, most of modern armour gone.
Well done volodja! Western world is cheering!
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 18:08 utc | 79
One thing you can be sure of..the pro NATO anti-intellectuals are belligerent and unimaginative. As the last gasp forces are ground into hamburger still they post their jingoist, maximalist insanity, thundering about how Russia and Putin will pay!
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 8 2024 18:03 utc | 76
It’s probably best discussed in the open thread, but did you hear nato’s (and EU’s) demand that RF “leaves Georgia “?
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 18:13 utc | 80
Been out all day so just catching up: have the Ukrainians reached Moscow yet? If not, what’s keeping them? Surely they can manage it in 3 days...
Briefly scrolling down, I note some old names have crawled out of the woodworm holes in the barstools...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 18:25 utc | 81
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 71
Let me restate it for you.
RF smo conquers are going to last for a long time, possibly forever.
Afu invasion in kusks will last less than a month.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 8 2024 18:26 utc | 82
Ukraine’s Kursk offensive is indeed pointless and suicidal, but it forces Russia to commit reserves. Maybe it’s just a distraction while another offensive attempts to seize the Zaporozhe Nuclear Power Plant.
Posted by: Promptcritical | Aug 8 2024 18:27 utc | 83
Still nothing very clear as to frontlines ect at the Kursk incursion.
FPV drones are very thick and operate about 10k out from ground actually held by the Nato force.
Baby Yaga drones apparently operating a lot further out.
These drones no doubt piloted from elsewhere. It looks to be the main reason there is nothing solid on where a frontline actually is.
Russia appears to be hitting any larger groupings and armour ect, a number of very small units still roaming about but not actually holding ground.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 18:27 utc | 84
House!!! Troll Bingo….the full set
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Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 8 2024 17:21 utc | 60
It seems nothing brings out fascist cheerleaders in a frenzy more than the cold blooded murder of pregnant Russian civilians.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2024 18:31 utc | 85
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 8 2024 18:31 utc | 85
Well played! Now you can go for the bonus pot if/when the Shadows band posts again...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 18:36 utc | 86
So desperation and frustration, but the ability to improvise, adapt, weld the three institutions of state together (military, political, economic) to purse one goal, with a historical aptitude for innovation means it’s the Z man who is desperate.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 8 2024 17:54 utc | 72
Nicely put.
Now , assume the AFU is bleeding no less than 200.000 per quarter, how many quarters would you assume they can hold?
The important question is, can they hold to the US elections at that rate?
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 18:04 utc | 77
Uhm! Ukro losses etc... In EU there are about 2,000,0000 Ukro, now in Poland they have started to enlist them or to send them back home. Therefore the illusion that the cannon fodder will run out is to be discarded.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 8 2024 18:40 utc | 87
did you hear nato’s (and EU’s) demand that RF “leaves Georgia “?
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 8 2024 18:13 utc | 80
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05.08.2024"Talk of stopping projects" — Lugar lab in Georgia might lose U.S. support
JAMnews
TbilisiAccording to Formula TV, U.S. financial aid to the National Center for Disease Control and the Lugar Laboratory has been terminated. The organizations were set to receive part of the $95 million allocated by the U.S. to Georgia. However, the aid was suspended due to the Georgian government’s anti-democratic policies and anti-Western rhetoric.
The scandal with wings - South Ossetia claims to have uncovered another conspiracy between Georgia and the United States
But not everyone believes the story that the man detained on the border was catching bats for the American biological laboratory.
Paata Imnadze, deputy director of the National Center for Disease Control, informed “Formula” that some American-funded projects for the center and Lugar Lab might be suspended. However, he emphasized that U.S. assistance has not been completely terminated.“Assistance has not stopped entirely; it concerns only certain projects,” says Paata Imnadze, without specifying which ones.
continues ... https://jam-news.net/lugar-laboratory-in-georgia/
Posted by: too scents | Aug 8 2024 18:40 utc | 88
Meanwhile, none of this nonsense in Kursk has done anything to improve Ukraine’s international credit rating, which remains dire with some national liabilities in technical default.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 18:41 utc | 89
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the OP said that the Kursk operation has not yet achieved the main goal, to force the enemy to stop the offensive on the eastern front and transfer troops. The Russians have not withdrawn reserves from any of the" hot " areas, and the road to the nuclear power plant is not open. That is why Syrsky is forced to transfer additional reserves to the Sumy region in order to sow panic among the enemy.
https://t.me/s/rezident_ua
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 18:41 utc | 90
Kursk Region (enemy = Ukraine)
- In Bolshaya Soldatovka, the enemy faced resistance.
- In Korenevo, the enemy has launched another assault attempt.
- Our comrade Aid and his group have engaged in combat.
- The enemy's sabotage and reconnaissance groups are changing into Russian military uniforms and trying to attack strongpoints and positions.
- The enemy is having issues with evacuating casualties.
- Fighting has started in the Sudzha area.
- Our aviation is active.
Archangel Special Forces (Spetsnaz)
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 18:45 utc | 91
Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
Starlinks in Kursk Oblast were jammed and are not working.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces command link is trying to establish radio bridges to organize interaction between UAV units and assault groups.
The range of transmission of combat control commands and decision-making has increased significantly. They have solved this problem for now.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1821447052150100110
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 18:48 utc | 92
The range of transmission of combat control commands and decision-making has increased significantly.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 18:48 utc | 92
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Can UAF units communicate with their leadership that has passed info the afterlife?
One of our sources said that the night strike was carried out on the main checkpoint of the air defense and defense of Kharkiv of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is located in the village of Malinovka, Kharkiv region!At the time of the strike, the following people from the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were there: Drapaty, Gnatov, Pivnenko, Gorbatyuk . The three deputy Chief of the General Staff and Commander Pivnenko are the people who are essentially the headquarters of Operation Suja .
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Posted by: too scents | Aug 8 2024 19:07 utc | 93
too scents | Aug 8 2024 19:07 utc | 93
My guess is its just about over now. Ukroid/Nato small units are getting happy snaps near town signs. Small two or three man teams.
The suicide offensive is mostly about optics so happy snaps near town signs were a big objective.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 19:13 utc | 94
too scents | Aug 8 2024 19:07 utc | 93
It took me a couple of minutes to put those two things together. I had read about the Ukie command center being hit earlier.
Using starlink, if that transmits in a vertical beam to a sat, it would be hard to detect, but once they had to use radio comms they would have been located in seconds.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 19:17 utc | 95
Who is really winning this conflict?
Today Putin signed several laws.Now it is prohibited in Russia:
- to do trash streams
- to sell energy drinks to minors
- to promote drugs in literature
Trash streams are drunken party streams where people make money online in return for doing various "dares". It is considered very dangerous and degenerate in Russia.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 19:21 utc | 96
Russia needs to take the gloves off. Too much pussy-footing around, sparing the REAL opponent too much. If one's enemy does not abide by rules of war and will crush you in any way the can, then why should one keep the gentleman's hat on. There is a time to a Spartan warrior, victory at all costs.
The trouble here, is the real instigators and controllers sleep comfortably in their beds at night. They must know real fear, by the day, by the hour. On paper it eould seem that NATO has the advantage of a larger pool of resources, technological advantages in certain key areas such as satellite based reconnaisance and intelligence gathering. That is of course, unless China step up to ghe plate. Then NATO will be whistling Dixie.
If Russia is exhausted of available resources and the capability to neutralize the threat of the planned extermination, delivered by proxy with unfortunate Ukrainian cannon fodder - the dwindling population of 404 - and reinforced by the REAL enemy, supplying NATO armor, NATO artillery, NATO missiles, NATO forces, and critically, utilizing the full NATO subterfuge toolset and the full spectrum of intelligence gathering technology that so effectively assesses the theatre of war in realtime, then it is time to either; a) call up the general population to defend their homeland, b) negotiate, c)surrender, or d) move to unconventional means that play to Russia's strengths. Fight fire with fire, poison with poison.
I have postulated before, that the slow-moving attrition tactics are effective, but the very real danger of continuing with this tactic here and now, is that the forces of Mordor, unharrassed therefore undeterred, grow and prepare by the day, scaling up weapons manufacturing, revising strategery (ode to GW Bush-critter) based on new battlefield realities / limitations. In short, move into overdrive before this situation bites them in the arse.
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Aug 8 2024 19:23 utc | 97
Where's shadowbanned to give a real assessment and not the phony "Russia is winning" when it is taking net losses of territory.?
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 8 2024 19:32 utc | 98
the forces of Mordor, unharrassed therefore undeterred, grow and prepare by the day, scaling up weapons manufacturing
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Aug 8 2024 19:23 utc | 97
One of the snags with this is that the forces of Mordor keep closing down strategically useful sites like ammo factories and steelworks, at least here in Britain.
Not to mention the lack of skilled workers, competitively priced and easily available energy supplies and raw materials, or the sheer inability of the managerial classes to look further than the next quarterly bonus.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 19:32 utc | 99
reply to 91
Wait, what? Ukr. troops changing into Russian uniforms for sabotage ? I guess that seals the Battle of The Bulge analogy.
Nazis doing nazi stuff. Hope they get caught and put in front of a firing squad
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2024 19:33 utc | 100
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/cheep
:)
May the criminals holding Ukraine hostage collapse sooner.
/flies away
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 8 2024 13:16 utc | 1