🇺🇦 Uprisings in the historically Polish city of Kovel in Western Ukraine.
Setting cars on fire will seem like kindergarten. They will start to kill each other. The families of the victims, and the returning survivors who were once arrested and packed a recruitment van.
Zelensky’s recruitment goons havd only one way out – emigration and out of Ukraine.
Western Ukraine is the nest of nazi ideology but with reluctance to die for their ideas. To be a nazi on the sly, to bait, to incite – yes, to fight – no.
And this applies not only to the current residents of Western Ukraine.
The Bandera emigrants don’t want to fight. Literally a few came from Australia, Canada, USA, UK, etc. Although it was they who incited the war and hatred of the Russians most of all. They had been preparing for war for 70 years. In reality, more Anglo-Saxon Australians left to fight than Bandera emigrants from Australia’s Ukrainian diaspora.
Begging for money for weapons, yelling at rallies, begging on your knees in front of politicians in Melbourne, visiting Kiev with lectures on how to properly cut off a Muscovite’s head – yes, fighting – no.
The bulk of the TCC recruiters are also from Western Ukraine. They are also control Ukraine’s barrier detachment anti-retreat shooting squads.
How did the rest of Ukraine fall for the ideas of this schizophrenic minority?
The most backward region of the country, where there is no culture, no art, no science, no work, no medicine, no industries, no roads. For 30 years of independence, they build anything they just drifted further away – some to Kiev and Odessa, some to Poland, some to the West.
Everyone who is skimming the cream of this slaughter today like Zelensky making a 30% commission on a private funeral monopoly on all funerals for dead Ukrainian soldiers.
Then there’s all sorts of funders from emigres in Melbourne who made money from Ukrainian war donations and a career on someone else’s blood, but never showed up for the war.
🎙@AussieCossack via @tasmanian_diablo
“>https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/118377

That’s pretty much how I understand it. Neo-Banderites from the US and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who stay behind tne front lines, basically doing PR, organizing meetings, are sending people they kidnap on the streets to be slaughtered, just to please the “sponsors” and get money and weapons. The Banderites and gheir sponsors want parts of Russia for themselves and they are obsessive about it. So, the endgame is pretty clear: no negotiated agreement is on the radar.

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 5 2024 0:02 utc | 103

Newbie | Aug 4 2024 22:03 utc | 86
Islanders have a good chance of getting the pilots as well. With a good warning system many pilots would survive their aircraft being target and shot down.
But whatever. They will go the way of the mighty Leopards and Abrams. Nato might gety in a few propaganda hits but that is meaningless in the scale of things. The end result that Nato will burn, like the mighty Leopards, Abrams, and now F-16’s is near inevitable.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 23:09 utc | 95
Yes about the warning systems, and that’s why I mentioned they’d be used as AD against drones and cruise missiles as ukraine is lacking, but far from the front (which with the pod and AA missiles at range limit will probably be enough to save a lot of pilots from a downed f-16)
But Iskanders would have to fly and hit the runways before the pilot leaves, I’d see ukraine using sub-rookies to taxi and get the pilot out as soon as it lands. If I can think about it, so can they.Iskanders are fast but far from instantaneous (and runways will be deep in ukraine). I’d rather use R-37 and take the chance of the pilot bailing in time, 60kg of HE +fragmentation is not so easy to survive.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 5 2024 0:09 utc | 105

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 4 2024 21:39 utc | 79
Or the SAS method in the Libyan desert, destroy the planes and or kill the pilots, crew and technicians.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 21:44 utc | 81
The recent success of NATO shooting down Iranian drones and missiles would suggest that CAP is their primary role.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 4 2024 22:00 utc | 85
Don’t forget air density also being a restrictor on AAM performance, and that the S-300 onwards were designed to fly above a target and descend on it, allowing high hit probabilities against Lo flight profiles. IIRC, two Ukrainian planes were shot down, coming into their approach runs, by a SAM system nearly 200km away, so F-16’s trying lo-hi-lo attacks won’t be safe on the egress.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 4 2024 22:07 utc | 87
Just like Me-262 pilots were encouraged to flow low over German towns and garrisons. More than likely their tactic initially will be to claim any successful strike in Crimea/Russia was carried out by F-16’s, the Ghost of Kiev resurrected.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 4 2024 22:36 utc | 91
If they do, the methods used will suggest accidental loss.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 23:17 utc | 97
More than likely, but NATO aircraft usually operate in strike packages so, unless they are ‘assisted’, the Ukrainian F-16’s won’t tell them too much vis-a-vis a straight match up, but lots of electronic data could be gathered I suppose.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 23:34 utc | 99
IIRC that exercise did not allow BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements, if they had history suggests those Mig-21 pilots wouldn’t have got near the F-15’s. Under exercise conditions pilots tend to take more risks, especially if bragging rights are the reward, so you hear of Buccaneers taking out F-15’s and F-22’s losing to F-16’s.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 5 2024 0:23 utc | 107

Milites | Aug 5 2024 0:23 utc | 107
The most interesting thing I have read was number 35 when oz government asked for submissions on purchasing the joint strike fighter package or whatever it was called.
Worth looking up. American optics can be devastating to civilian targets, …

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2024 1:14 utc | 109

Regarding F-16s in Ukraine- They need a lot of ground support. That either means NATO crews in Ukraine, or landing and taking off from NATO countries. Ukraine simply does not have trained personnel for this.
If it’s NATO crews in Ukraine, there will have to be a lot of them, because the obvious response for the RF is to crater the runways and blow up the maintenance facilities as soon as they detect a launch. The planes will have to land somewhere else, and there has to be a ground crew there to keep the aircraft flight-worthy, refuel and re-arm it. And all of that has a decent chance of being destroyed before the planes can be moved elsewhere. The whole business seems incredibly expensive and impractical to me- too many ground crews, too much maintenance equipment, and aircraft that may get only one or two sorties apiece.
On the other hand, Putin wouldn’t dare strike a NATO base in Romania or Poland, would he? I believe that’s the ‘thinking’ of the western leadership, and that scares me.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 5 2024 1:18 utc | 111

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 5 2024 0:09 utc | 105
Nope, just crater the runway or seed it with bomblets, when they are landing, forcing them to an alternate or ditch. To execute a real-time strike a hypersonic would probably be the weapon of choice.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 5 2024 0:59 utc | 108
When they have 6 pilots and 60+ fighters?
Wouldn’t sending mig-31 with long range AA (maybe spend some old R-40s) a better bet?
Ok, ok, just get a couple on the ground, or ditched, to say “1 down” but then go after the pilots

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 5 2024 1:25 utc | 113

DPA frontline changes just dropped:
Mostly same as DS, but a few areas where he sees more. All RFA captures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_mT6T6eM9s
North to south:
Canal (Chasiv Yar): Cites DS for withdrawing from east of the canal.
Toretsk:
1. Advance within Pivnichne per DS and a geolocation.
2. Pretty sizeable advance at the far west of Zalizne salient. Per Rybar and a geolocation. Configures RFA to go after Toretsk even without taking the two slag heaps (pass to the west of them).
NY: Nothing.
Progress bloom:
1. Entering into south of Lysitchni (spelling?) and Ivanivka (both west of Timofivke (spelling).
2. Some fields in that area too.
3. Entering Serhivka from east and south (looks like just repeating the DS map)
Urozahne (small advance, geolocation, not a DS thing)
Orokiv sector: east of Robotyne, geolocation shows RFA clearing old Surovikin line trench. Implies capture of a big pocket that was showing grey zone. If true, expect DS to admit it in a day or two. Need to wait though, as it’s just one strange geolocation on a big area, and not even RFA claims. But we will see. DPA admits this is a bold DPA claim now (no other mappers drawing it this way). So we need to wait and see if he’s right.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 5 2024 1:34 utc | 115

You need to chill.
Japan didn’t even hold the global reserve currency either!
Posted by: Julian | Aug 5 2024 4:26 utc | 116
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
ZH has a posting up with the title
Japanic Monday: Japanese Bonds, Stocks Halted After Plunging Into Bear Market As Everything Crashes Everywhere
Either way it seems the shit show might come to a halt/pause/shudder/???
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 5 2024 4:10 utc | 121 from Open Thread

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 5 2024 4:43 utc | 117

📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 5 August 2024; 06:55 (GMT+3)📍
🎯During the night, the RFAF used several groups of attack UAVs to hit enemy facilities in the #Kiev (Bila Tserkva), #Vinnitsa, #Kharkov, #Sumy, #Dnepropetrovsk, #Cherkassy and #Poltava regions. Combat work continued until the morning.
💥The AFU, as reported by our monitoring channels, conducted UAV counter actions with aircraft-type UAVs, there were reports of individual drones in #Kursk and #Belgorod regions, as well as near the #Krasnodar territory.
🔹In the #Kharkov direction, there are oncoming battles in #Volchansk. Our assault groups are fighting their way into the area of ​​high-rise buildings and completing the clearing of occupied houses. During the day, the AFU made 1 attack attempt in the area of ​​the #Staritsa settlement. The enemy assault group was discovered in advance by recon and destroyed.
🔹In the #Svatovo-#Kupyansk section, they report the capture of several enemy strongholds in the area of the Berestovoye-Peschanoye ledge.
🔹North of #ChasovYar, our troops are strengthening the bridgehead for further actions in the town, to the west of the canal. The AFU is using many FPV drones around the clock, hampering the Russian actions.
🔹In the #Toretsk (#Dzerzhinsk) agglomeration, the RFAF are advancing in the remaining western part of #Zaliznoye (#Artemovo), small assault groups making their way to the Central-330 power substation. The enemy writes that in #NyuYork (#Novgorodskoye) Russian forces are pressing in the western part of the settlement in the western and northern directions, bypassing the ‘Phenolny plant’ and constraining the logistics of the AFU. There are battles for waste heaps near several mines.
🔹West of #Avdeyevka, they report fierce fighting in the village of #Zhelannoye, our stormtroopers entered from the northeast and also advanced from the northwestern outskirts along the railway, the foe was surrounded in a number of its positions, prisoners were taken. Against the background of the RF MoD’s confirmation of full control over #Novosyolovka1st, foe channels are reporting the expansion of the RFAF’s zone of control near the settlement.
🔹On the #Zaporozhye front, there are mainly positional battles, at the weekend it was reported that to the north of #Rabotino our fighters, supported by artillery, managed to advance and encircle several AFU strongholds.
🔹In the #Kherson direction, both sides continue their actions in the island zone, the AFU struck at #Alyoshki, a nine-storey apartment block caught fire. A man born in 1976 was injured.
💥In #Belgorod region, was shelled by the AFU 11 times over the past day, a woman was killed and 5 people were wounded. The Shebekinsky and Valuysky urban districts, as well as the Belgorod district are under attack. The foe is targeting civilians. 🎬👇
💥In the #Kursk region, the AFU shelled the Krasny Pakhar Farm in the Rylsky district. During the day, enemy drones attacked the Sudzha Checkpoint, the villages of #Gornal, Nikolayevo-Daryino and #Guyevo, and the village of #Kurilovka in the Sudzha district.
🛡Electronic warfare means and small arms suppressed and destroyed❗️42 Ukrainian drones in the border areas over the day.
💥At #Lugansk yesterday, the AFU fired 12 missiles. Presumably 8 ATACMS and 4 Storm Shadow missiles.
💥In the #DPR, in #Donetsk, a woman born in 1959 was injured in a barrel artillery shelling by the AFU, and a woman born in 1940 was also injured as a result of a drop from a Ukrainian UAV. In Gorlovka, a woman born in 1962 was injured in a drop from a foe drone. The AFU attacked the region 26 times, more than 60 munitions were fired. HIMARS, 155 mm barrel artillery and attack UAVs were used. #Donetsk, #Makeyevka and #Gorlovka were under attack.

https://t.me/two_majors/28983

Posted by: Down South | Aug 5 2024 4:53 utc | 119

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 5 2024 5:06 utc | 120
No problem

Posted by: Down South | Aug 5 2024 6:37 utc | 121

The F-16ADF Zelensky was posing with in the photo shoot was a decommissioned plane from US air force.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1820206058629165117

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 5 2024 7:14 utc | 123

The war in Ukraine will be well over before the US Debt becomes a serious problem.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 5 2024 4:26 utc | 116
It never can be a ‘serious problem’. Paying interest is entirely a policy choice, and eventually the US will stop paying interest as the Japanese have done for decades.
The US could drop the rate to zero, and the exports would still flow into the US. There is no untapped source of demand anywhere else. Those who are over-invested and have excess production would rather hold US promises than have stock wasting away unsold. There simply isn’t anywhere else to go other than stop production completely.
The US can fund their side of the war indefinitely – just as the Russians can fund theirs. There is never a shortage of money. There can only ever be a shortage of stuff.

Posted by: The Accountant | Aug 5 2024 7:38 utc | 125

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 5 2024 1:25 utc | 113
The F-16’s will probably just be used as missile platforms, Su-24’s, without the iPads, meaning lo-hi-lo flight profiles, from a ‘jump’ field, before dashing for the safety of Rumanian airspace. This makes them difficult targets for AAM’s, whilst also setting up the possibility of a SAM ambush for the Russian CAP, as they’ve done in the past. I’d think a new warhead for the Iskander has been trialled, possibly using search and destroy sub-munitions, and the jump field will be targeted as the F-16’s are being prepped.
Whatever happens, the impact of the platform is much reduced due to the lengthy period between its deployment and initial announcement. Again, Ukrainian strategic implementing seems to be disjointed with the deployment of F-16’s not timed with the targeting of the Russian AWACS, just as the targeting of landing ships was continued after the Kerch Bridge and Summer offensive had failed, suggesting these operations had no real strategic goal and were simply targets of opportunity to bolster morale.
Like most wars, the eventual winners and losers of the SMO were decided largely by how they reacted when the original plan failed to deliver the expected outcome. Russia took a leaf out of its history books and went for attritional warfare, Ukraine went for literary inspiration, namely Charles Dickens’ Mr Micawber!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 5 2024 7:42 utc | 127

Any idea who’s piloting these aircraft ? Are they foolish or brave ?
Posted by: Pyewacket | Aug 5 2024 6:39 utc | 122
The same types who thought killing Russians would be the same as an Afghan safari. Top gun types.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 5 2024 7:51 utc | 129

Posted by: Pyewacket | Aug 5 2024 6:39 utc | 122
Will anyone be in the planes?
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/ai-pilot-f-16/
Will the pilots remain on the ground?
https://www.airforce.com/careers/aviation-and-flight/remotely-piloted-aircraft-pilot

Posted by: Milites | Aug 5 2024 8:13 utc | 131

Interesting analysis, using the three horizon model, about the development of UAV’s, commonly called drones. What’s interesting is that the model can be exported to the drone’s targets.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016328721001579

Posted by: Milites | Aug 5 2024 8:21 utc | 133

@Milites | Aug 5 2024 8:21 utc | 133
You get paid by post count or just like to embarrass yourself every day?
It’s a moronic paper, says nothing and is written by a guy who works at a Department of Political Science. He’s also an self titled expert on twitter, in Russia’s “poor military performance”

Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2024 8:34 utc | 135

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2024 18:34 utc | 45
Nah. Russia will buy high level waste to reprocess it into fuel. Nobody’s buying Ukie bonds for fuel as it is all digital.

Posted by: badjoke | Aug 5 2024 9:07 utc | 137

Debt to GDP
Japan – 264%
USA – 122%.
Japan’s debt is twice as high as the US when compared to GDP.

Japan national dept is mostly local
US national dept is foreign.

Posted by: MAKK | Aug 5 2024 9:13 utc | 139

Some points of Theti Mapping and Dima/Ms.
Seems RUAF is moving between the Ugledar-Konstaninivka road toward Vodyane and bombing the few coal mines around it. Vodyane is the only real anchor point of defense between Ugledar and Konstanyivka. It could be small groups and FPV control (the FPVs can reach far NW/W of the road). RUAF also made a smaller attack on Konstantinyvka SE corner, gaining some more houses. This seems to be the heaviest battles in this area, with AFU can counter with FPVs.
RUAF is squeezing Zhelanne, and the trenches east of it. The trenches originally were eastward facing, not intended to defend from attacks to the north or even west, from Vodyane. So we could expect this area to collapse at some point.
RUAF moved SW of Pivdichnye, through the light forest and they could theoretically reach the electrical station which could give them a nice foothold to attack the area north of New York. And also cut tighten strangle on the envelope SE of New York.
RUAF made large gains north of Pivdenne and even toward Toretsk. The landfill-terracon is unholdable for AFU, the only thing they have going for them are FPV drones and its height advantage, where AFU soldiers could theoretically overlook RUAF movement to the east and NE. But it should become outflanked and enveloped, anyway.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 5 2024 10:03 utc | 141

Debt to GDP
Japan – 264%
USA – 122%.
Japan’s debt is twice as high as the US when compared to GDP.
Japan national dept is mostly local
US national dept is foreign.
Posted by: MAKK | Aug 5 2024 9:13 utc | 139
It’s actually not, you can look it up. Its the same as Japan. Majority local owned.
Media hype about foreign ownership US debt is overstated. Foreigners have to trade real things to get fx needed to buy US debt, which is always harder than the Fed tapping a few keystrokes to monetize the latest bond issue.

Posted by: Autumn | Aug 5 2024 10:59 utc | 143

Uki Telegram boasting that an F16 has done victory rolls over Odessa after striking Crimea. UK media state it was used to sink a Kilo class sub.
Also,
Uki Telegram state that another F16 launched missiles that hit Lugansk today.
Big propaganda victory for the Ukis.
Russia is again behind the curve with information warfare, and indeed air defence as there is no excuse for an F16 to be showboating and rolling over Odessa, much less striking Crimea.
Very serious development if the sub sinking is confirmed, and the Lugansk attack confirmed done by F16s.
Posted by: Johhny JJ | Aug 4 2024 15:56 utc | 19
Do you show up for gigs in a clown car or on a clown tricycle? What size clown shoes do you wear? Do you prefer the big blue clown nose or the traditional red?

Posted by: Zippy the Pinhead | Aug 5 2024 11:31 utc | 145

https://t.me/Mestb_Dobroj_Voli/12056

Forwarded from Fisherman
🇷🇺🇺🇦That’s right, friends .
Regular drone raids have become so commonplace that no one even pays attention to them. All this has turned into statistics that are of no interest to anyone: “They shot down a certain number of UAVs, no damage . ”
And the solution to the question of “why drones still fly to the Volgograd region” for some reason remains a headache only for war correspondents. Although the situation clearly says that if we sit back, the raids will not stop.
▪️For example, when attacking Krasnodar Krai, it is no coincidence that the Ukrainian Armed Forces use the airspace over the Sea of ​​Azov. There, the impact of electronic warfare is the least, which allows them to fly to coastal cities.
▪️In Crimea, drones have in recent months also been launching strikes along unusual routes from the south, skirting the peninsula or, on the contrary, through the entire city, where the use of air defense systems has its own peculiarities.
📌We understand that the concept of “war of attrition” implies conducting such tactics while waiting for the enemy’s reserves to run out, but why resort to such costly methods?
The entire NATO military-industrial complex works to inflict maximum damage on us, and drones with missiles will not run out quickly. The West acts consistently, allocating resources for each stage.
When the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost their Tochkas, they were given Himars. When there was a shortage of long-range shells, they were given missiles. When there were few missiles, they were replaced with drones. Now a new stage is coming – the appearance of the F-16 with all the gadgets like JASSM.
#Russia #Ukraine
@rybar

https://t.me/Mestb_Dobroj_Voli/12054

And no one has yet figured out that the mass raids of the hohols mostly occur simultaneously with ours.
And why?
Because corridors are created for the Geraniums to fly through, in which the electronic warfare is turned off for a while. And the hohol knows this, both from intelligence data and from satellite reconnaissance data.
…

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2024 12:44 utc | 147

Honzo@111…..no one in Russia has balls big enough to attack any NATO base housing F16’s. The Russians treat red lines like goal posts, agile, quick and moveable. Quite a few strikes in Russian rear areas lately, quite the plume over Lugansk yesterday, something was there, now it’s gone.
Looks like the attrition mode is working for the RF, not so much for citizens far from the LOCC.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 5 2024 12:59 utc | 149

At least one drone with fiber-optic comms was recovered from the battlefield months ago.
https://t.me/my_el_lab/626

Forwarded from Mikhail Fedorov
❗️Warning: Germans to Use Fiber-Optic-Controlled Drones in Ukraine in August
German developers are testing a new type of drone in Ukraine called the HCX that is immune to electronic warfare because it is controlled via a fiber-optic cable.
…
HIGHCAT spokesman Jan Hartmann explains that the cable weighs about 250 grams, so it does not significantly impede flight. The range is up to 12 miles/20 kilometers.
“The fiber is quite robust — flying over trees and water is not a problem,” says Hartmann. “Flying in circles is also fine, and the drone can even fly backwards.”
…
HIGHCAT aims to have the HCX ready for production in November, and could then produce 3,000 units per month with its industrial partner ODM GmbH . If the HCX is successful, others will likely follow suit, and drones with fiber optic capabilities will likely proliferate.
This is a threat to take seriously.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2024 13:32 utc | 151

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-losses-warplanes-1934507
Russia Loses 1180 Troops, Two Warplanes, 69 Artillery Systems in a Day
Yikes….

Posted by: bored | Aug 5 2024 14:06 utc | 153

Posted by: bored | Aug 5 2024 14:06 utc | 153
It’s newsweek, doofus. What a maroon you are to believe official Nazi state propaganda!!!

Posted by: Boo | Aug 5 2024 14:44 utc | 155

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 5 2024 14:55 utc | 156
20km, under opposing FPV, mortar and artillery fire? Plus, FPV operation posts are typically multiple km behind the front line, using the flight range of the drones to cover the distance, so you’d have to break through the front itself.
A logical next step is to have drones fly semi-disposable optical fibers all over the battlefield to create ad hoc secure comms links. They won’t last but they done have to because flying out a replacement will be easy enough in most cases and existing radio / satcom is available as a backup.

Posted by: a | Aug 5 2024 15:19 utc | 157

The Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine has received its first batch of F-16 fighter jets – twenty- pilots will be trained up on them – Whitehouse national security spokesman John F. Kirby – said the F-16’s should be ready to deploy by the end of the Summer.
Surely that’s not enough time for the Neo-Nazi pilots to be fully trained up – unless Nato pilots, will co-pilot with them on sorties.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 5 2024 15:59 utc | 159

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaBDDpuJglY
Unitree Go2 quadruped robot with wheels for feet, an enormous improvement over the regular model.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2024 16:40 utc | 161

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Aug 5 2024 7:38 utc | 126
My bad – 27, not 17

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 5 2024 16:58 utc | 163

nevermind, forgot to refresh before posting.

Posted by: jure | Aug 5 2024 17:10 utc | 165

If they have them, what are they waiting for? Put your money where your mouth is.
Posted by: rk | Aug 5 2024 8:20 utc | 132

I have read yesterday on a Telegram channel a transcription of what someone in the Ukrainian OP said. He detailed future targets for long range strikes as the Crinean bridge, the Russian built infrastrucfure in Donbass including the railroads and Rostov-on-the-Don. So they are waiting for the long range missiles that fit the F-16 and the C&C support chain.
Now that they have F-16’s and that one can hardly make the difference between a NATO F-16 and a Ukrainian one, especially at night, NATO can wage attacks from far in Ukraine using F-16’s stationed in Moldova or Romania and Kiev would claim responsability as if they used gheir own Ukrainian F-16.

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 5 2024 17:43 utc | 167

Proposal for a force structure centred around unmanned systems, notably a shift away from costly and vulnerable barrel artillery towards drones to conduct the same strike missions.
https://t.me/playcivilization/1601

Army of a new type. While the personally unfit are frantically trying to leave everything in the RF Armed Forces as it is, preventing any changes and agreeing to any losses in order to continue not changing anything, the healthy part of the RF Armed Forces is still actively trying to win somehow.
In addition to purely current military tasks, the military – normal ones – are also becoming a source of serious ideas for the future, for those hypothetically achievable, but not yet arrived times, when everything can be done as it should be.
The idea that will be discussed now fits in well with the statement of Alexander Lyubimov and Alexey Chadayev that in the matter of using unmanned aerial vehicles, it is time to move from “tanks” (the use of drones within the current organizational and staff structures) to “tank divisions” (the creation of organizational and staff structures in the Armed Forces built around unmanned vehicles and taking into account their capabilities). Chadayev and Lyubimov resort to this analogy because the tank really did become a decisive means of waging war when tank units were born.
And this analogy is quite true, because future army units and formations built around drones will really be as superior to “just an army” that also has drones somewhere, as Guderian’s divisions were superior to “infantry support tanks” dispersed among infantry units.
All interested parties are invited to study an article about a possible new-look brigade, which was formed specifically to enable unmanned vehicles to realize their capabilities to the maximum.
The value of this concept is great – both because it was conceived by a real commander of a guards motorized rifle brigade with experience of the war in Ukraine (the admin only polished it a little) based on his combat experience, and because such a unit can be created even in our Armed Forces within a few months, even with the existing equipment.
Sooner or later we will definitely come to such structures. The sooner, the better.
And yes, while the quantitative indicators may change (for example, it may turn out that three strike “unmanned” battalions are too many or something like that), this approach to the formation of troops is a revolution much deeper than the one initiated in its time by the theorists of tank warfare.

https://en.topwar.ru/233665-bespilotnocentrichnaja-udarnaja-obschevojskovaja-brigada-novogo-oblika-po-opytu-svo.html

“Unmanned-centric” strike combined arms brigade of a new look based on the experience of the Northern Military District
(caption: We don’t have to lose tens of thousands of fighters for each regional center; with the existing technology, we can transform the battlefield into something completely different right now. But new organizational structures are needed)
Not everyone in the world has yet understood this, but military actions in Ukraine will have a revolutionary impact on the development of tactics and organizational structures of troops. And this will be connected with the widespread introduction of unmanned aerial vehicles, both reconnaissance, strike, and others, including transport ones.
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Russia, stuck in a protracted positional war, needs a qualitative leap in combat power.
The topic of this article is the concept of a combined arms brigade, in which the main striking weapons are Drones, and the units of the remaining branches of the military within it either provide the possibility of combat use of UAVs, or are used to quickly use the results of fire destruction of enemy forces achieved by drones. For example, infantry does not storm well-defended enemy positions with the support of UAVs, but finishes off those who survived waves of drone attacks.
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Fundamental points
The formation of such a brigade was proposed during a discussion of a media project, still in the process of implementation, by a former commander of one of the motorized rifle brigades with experience in the military.
The concept itself directly stemmed from the current combat experience, as well as a number of limitations faced by the Russian Armed Forces.
The first is the lack of infantry. A lot has already been said about this, there is no point in repeating it – the scale of hostilities is such that you need to have hundreds of thousands more soldiers than you already have. The losses are also large and also do not contribute to the strength of the troops.
Since demographically our society cannot afford large losses over a long period, and there are difficulties with recruitment, it is logical to assume that it is necessary to reduce the load on the infantry and introduce a combat doctrine that would allow achieving results at the cost of fewer losses.
The second is problems with artillery. The war has already led to massive wear of barrels, ammunition production does not keep pace with their consumption, and the emergence of long-range, high-precision missiles of various types in the Armed Forces of Ukraine required the dispersal of ammunition reserves on the ground, which, in turn, complicated logistics.
It is also complicated by the number of vehicles, drivers, available car tires, and the degree of mechanization of loading and unloading operations in the troops.
A special issue is counter-battery warfare. Where the Armed Forces of Ukraine conduct it, they are really good – the combination of the massive use of UAVs and American counter-battery radars, with very short command chains compared to the RF Armed Forces in terms of opening fire, and well-functioning communications, leads to the fact that our weapon is often manages to fire 2-3 shots before the retaliatory “arrivals” begin.
At the same time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces often do not regret using missiles from the M142 HIMARS complex, even to destroy a separate weapon. What is important for us is that neither the means nor methods of counter-battery combat against unmanned aviation does not work. But it completely fulfills some of the tasks of artillery.
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Considering how massively modern UAVs can be produced, shifting some of the artillery tasks to them looks quite logical.
And from the same point of view, the rejection of large-caliber artillery (122-152 mm) seems logical (but has caused a lot of criticism “in narrow circles”). This is perceived as heresy, but why not? Once again, UAVs can solve the fire missions that artillery solves, not all, but almost all.
And the brigade has both a powerful artillery group and a shock group drones will lead to the fact that their tasks in most cases will be duplicated.
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Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 5 2024 19:02 utc | 169

168 guest: Interesting.
I wonder if this also fits in with the spat between Sirski and Budanov. (Like maybe S burned B.) Specops is complaining that Sirski has direct connections/interactions with the US, versus going through Zelenski.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 5 2024 19:09 utc | 171

Posted by: a | Aug 5 2024 15:19 utc | 157
When I said “follow the cable” I had already imagined that there were technical options for tracing the cable – if you have an end. The idea of two Russians running 20 km after the cable with the Kalschnikov at the ready was not in my mind.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 5 2024 19:15 utc | 173

Republicofscotland | Aug 5 2024 15:59 utc | 159
I’ve seen one or two F16s registered as “Romanian” flying in UK airspace in the last few weeks.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2024 19:21 utc | 175

Newsweek is not a credible source of info on the war. It’s more of a public relations agency, or propaganda outlet, functioning on behalf US neocons/NATO/Ukraine. Be aware that the magazine’s intended audience is those Americans who are poorly informed and impressionable. . .
Posted by: GW | Aug 5 2024 17:16 utc | 166
Americans who are poorly informed. Well that’s a majority of Americans. Pseudo news outlets like ‘newsweek’ have an audience that has already been primed to believe that Ukraine is a legitimate country, with a legitimate government, led by a legitimate president, and served by a legitimate media. And of course, the audience thinks that the US is just a concerned bystander, offering to help out a friend in need with the delivery of some weapons. This article like nearly every western article on the war absolutely has to insert “Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine” somewhere, like saying a hail mary, one of the stations of the cross. Americans are propagandized to the hilt.

Posted by: Mike R | Aug 5 2024 19:27 utc | 177

Hi, F-16 fans !
Since this forum has started (Aug 4 2024 13:39 utc), I wonder about missing any successful attacks still have performed against Russia – or even have realistically explained here on that new mysterium – how that F-16’s attacks could work for any strikes on RF in UKR or even against any of RF rear lands.
All you MoAs here have discussed, is the technical capabilities of F-16 vs RF SU-xx on a dog-fighting.
A dog-fight on-air against RU SU-xx can only be successfully performed if the UKR-pilot is either an US-trained experienced fighter man (like actors in Hollywood cinema) or an US-figther pilot with an US-Passport and US-Mark on his breast.
The Russian MIL-Air Defense pilots of any SU-xx jets are very well for a couple of months trained on those dog-fight scenes with US-Fighter jets. Be sure.
So may be let’s fly any F16s as a flying bomb or a flying drone (may be unmanned) towards its targets in Russia, RF should seriously IMPROVE NOW its capabilities of AD measures to defend against the US-Pilot guided jets.
That’s all – and still outstanding, what RUAF has to be prepared for. No more nor less.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 5 2024 20:32 utc | 179

J’espère sincèrement que le faucon volant, le F-16, ne verra jamais l’action. Je suis avec les troupes et je souhaite un cessez-le-feu immédiat.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 5 2024 21:38 utc | 181

That’s a good party without meat to eat, else same comrade’s meat, before starving at least – Water nearby? Okay drink the rain water.
Napoleon, now answer: Who has failed still today Aug 05 21:50 utc?
France+Germany should make a better policy for its folks! Okay?

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 5 2024 21:57 utc | 183

ok – Math calculations is a more logical method that may be applied based on RUAF strategies. But even it’s better on strategy, math-planned OPs may fail acc.to civilian people fates.
No doubt, RF is ahead of more logical planning a “war” than any of Western military guys can do, except of some really intelligent “Pentagon” guys being same as Russian counterparts.
But all that’s evil – even math-founded -established by either side.
This UKR-RF “war” is not a game of Chess players. It’s reality for every UKR civis on battle ground and for every soldiers sent to front on either sides.
That’s the truth – no more nor less.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 5 2024 22:38 utc | 185

spare_truth_01@185…..yes, not a game of Chess but a game of Death….and doing some math, no shortage of grift on either side of the LOCC, money to be made goes both ways…..while the dying, the real heavy lifting, takes place in the trenches not on the Stock Market….well, maybe a few high flyers will take a 27th floor leap of faith……
Cheers

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 5 2024 22:57 utc | 187

I will add a little to my colleagues from the “Archangel of Special Forces” regarding the news on Chasov Yar (https://t.me/rusich_army/16175) as a participant in this operation:
So, the most important factor that must be taken into account when fighting for this settlement is the well-fortified forests around the city itself. From the south, Chasov Yar is covered by a massive forest, in which, since the time of the Bakhmut operation carried out by the Wagner Group, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have equipped a powerful fortified area according to all the rules of military engineering. In this forest, in addition to the fortified area, there is a significant amount of military equipment that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not use in the battle in urban areas.
Why?
It’s simple: in the city, this equipment is in full view, and in the dense forest south of Chasiv Yar, it becomes difficult to identify it when conducting aerial reconnaissance. Only according to my estimates, there may be about 500 enemy personnel in the above-mentioned forest, including some command at the forward command posts. To the north of Chasov Yar there are several heights, which are also convenient for the enemy to place repeaters and install equipment for visual reconnaissance.
Second: The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is trying with all its might to prevent the advance and consolidation of advanced units in urban areas and will use all possible forces for this, from sabotage and reconnaissance groups to UAV units. I have repeatedly described the purpose of these actions on the canal, but I will still repeat once again – the city is on top and its control allows you to hold Konstantinovka and the surrounding settlements at gunpoint.
We continue to work in the direction.
Colonel Cassad.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 5 2024 23:04 utc | 189

@Peter AU1 | Mon, 05 Aug 2024 22:22:00 GMT | 184

What I have noticed is Russia fights large mathematical warfare.

I can probably see what you mean. Actually I have a similar feel, too. Best I can describe it is that Russian culture, as experienced by me through the Russians I met in Germany, many of whom have a technical or scientific background, tend to approach “problems” of all sorts in a methodical, logical way (i.e., same as maths). They’re not simply using an unfit for purpose pet theory they’ve been taught somewhere, but make up the analysis on the spot; and they also do not calculate for the sake of calculation, but begin and end all deliberation at the human level. Perhaps that is why they’re renowned as technical improvisers, while Germans OTOH tend to be overly perfectionist. Think of an over-engineered MB 600SL vs. the rugged, simple, effective design of the russian aircraft etc. The example is hugely-over simplified for the point, but I hope it gets across.
It’s also of note that the human factor is easily misunderstood by western thinking when we imagine russian human wave attacks, now or in their earlier wars. The Russians will take a lot of pain, but that doesn’t mean they’re taking it mindlessly.
I learned a great quote said to be by Bismark here on MoA, I think you’ll dig it, too:
“The Russians are making plans even each time they go to the shitter!”

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 5 2024 23:09 utc | 191

Further to my above: my friend Yuri and I were sitting one summer night in the cathedral garden of Speyer, both of us about 20. He hardly spoke a word of German, so we had to make do conversating. Between beers and a spliff, Yuri picked up a stick and used it to scratch a particularly elegant proof of a simple geometrical problem into the sandy ground where we sat – about volumetric area of spheres stacked into rectangles. He didn’t do it because we were a bit geeky, but because it was entertaining and fun at this moment. Yuri went on to become an electrical engineer, and ruptured his cruciate ligament dancing wildly at a Ska concert. Not really a nerd, just a bright bloke with a great humour and temperament.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 5 2024 23:27 utc | 193

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 5 2024 23:06 utc | 190

.. FWIW, I’m down on Dima. He covers the map with little videos all the time, which themselves are shown too small. ..

Your critics about that “Map failures” may be correct, but I’m thinking he made a “good job” on sampling a more wide-spread referring sources (including the UKR Deep State reports of Yours referring here), so why don’t listen to him ?
Are You fixed on a certain narrative on consuming infos – or what?
What’s Your meaning about “Trump Assasination” – Who planned that?

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 5 2024 23:49 utc | 195

195:
I’ve watched a lot of Dima. It’s not like I didn’t give him a fair chance. There was actually a while where I preferred him, despite thinking he was not that good, because at least it was frequent/current. But I’m off of that. Just rather wait for something watchable. If you like him, knock yourself out.
In addition to everything else, I find that when he speculates, it’s loosely and not informed y any real military training. In contrast, DPA and Willy are more seasoned.
But again, not stopping you from watching him!

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 6 2024 0:00 utc | 197

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 5 2024 23:48 utc | 194
As he/she referred the Posting by Colonel Cassad. Suresh | Aug 5 2024 23:04 utc | 189

.. No self-respecting Russian officer would send his boys into this meat-grinder for an elective war (SMO) with such idiotic goals.

Hi Napoleon, have been awaken by some comments above?
What are the reason to title SMO in Your-minded as “with such idiotic goals” ?
‘Idiotic goals’ are when You have no reason to fight for resistance of a NATO – Blinken/Killary/OhBama/911-Bush religious companies think tanks spreading “Your Goals” into Your mind.
So pls. keep down and sit with the winners of this SMO !
That’s the Russian Folk.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 6 2024 0:10 utc | 199