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The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-202
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Andrew Kloster @ARKloster – 23:57 UTC · Aug 24, 2024
BREAKING: Cornel West is dropping out and endorsing Trump.
“A brother can’t in good conscience endorse a pro-war, fake black, code-switching hussy whose ancestors owned slaves. I’m proud to stand with Donald John Trump.”
U.S. Navy Defeat:
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Other issues:
Boeing:
Free Speech:
Color Revolution Watch:
Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …
Good evening all – been busy and wanted to post on Telegram and Duroc.
I’m going to have some fun and just post some other comments mostly from telegram.
I use it for most of my news and of course MoA and the great @GeromanAT.
Sorry if some is repeated from others – I hope b allows it.
– GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 —
@GeromanAT
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The arrest of Telegram’s boss tells you only one thing – West (NATO) is in full panic mode – Because they are losing – not only in Ukraine – also in West Asia (Middle East) and of course Africa…
They are shitting their pants because people starting to think – that must be of course forbidden in the so called “Collective West”
Aug 26, 2024 · 5:36 PM UTC
Assange’s associate, Australian MP Adrian MacRae, on the “hand” of US and NATO intelligence in the Durov case: Of course, Durov’s arrest is ultimately the work of US and NATO intelligence services, which are desperate to get backdoor access to Telegram. Much like they have access to WhatsApp and all the media platforms owned by META. Having backdoor access to the flow of information, both up and down the Russian NDS, is ultimately the reason Durov is now in custody.
@Slavyangrad
📢 The Durov story may have another unexpected twist.
After it became clear that the authorities, who speak in favor of freedom of speech and the dissemination of information, are in fact willing to do anything to bring the exchange of this very information under control, the population of Europe in particular and the West in general will wonder how to communicate in the digital space without being under the thumb of Big Brother.
And the demand for platforms beyond the control of the state will grow even more. Moreover, Telegram may become a symbol of such resistance to interference in private life and become even more popular. A serious question is whether such platforms will appear and how long they will resist the onslaught, but demand in any case gives birth to supply. And it is unlikely that it will be possible to drive the entire population of the Earth into a digital concentration camp.
@Slavyangrad
Alexander Gelyevich DUGIN on the arrest of Durov:
“Pavel Durov has been arrested in Paris. This is the final proof that no one will be able to maintain neutrality during a total world war. There are two irreconcilable worlds that have turned against each other. Us and them. And there is an abyss between us. Dual citizenship, blurred loyalties, maneuvering between camps – all this is in the past. Either with us or against us. Durov flew to Baku, I believe, to negotiate with Putin about his return. But he underestimated the seriousness of the situation and did not surrender unconditionally. But this was enough for the West to immediately slap him down.
However, the internal front is also open in the West itself. Elon Musk with his x.com, which is banned in the Russian Federation, is about to find himself in a similar situation. The globalists have moved to an openly totalitarian policy: whoever is not with them is against them (and according to their logic, for Russia). And since networks and information flows play a key role in modern warfare, the first victims of an irreconcilable split are precisely those who possess such a resource.”
“What will happen to Telegram now? Most likely, this is the end. Macron and the liberal Gestapo will demand that the keys and codes from TG be handed over. The price of freedom. If Durov agrees, and so far he has been playing right-wing libertarianism in the spirit of Elon Musk and has not agreed, TG will be closed in the Russian Federation. If he does not agree, he will be jailed like Assange. And then TG will be finished altogether.”
“He who owns the networks and media is sovereign.”
@Slavyangrad
🇫🇷🇷🇺 Maria Zakharova recalled that Western NGOs in 2018 called on the Russian Federation not to create obstacles to Telegram’s work:
“I am publishing a screenshot of all Western specialized structures that spoke out then, including with a collective appeal.
Do you think this time they will appeal to Paris and demand Durov’s release, or will they swallow their tongues?”
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Telegram is not even in the top 8 of child abuse!
Child Abuse Images ranking, by NSPCC:
– Snapchat 4,312 times (44%)
– Instagram 1,217 (12%)
– Facebook 852 (9%)
– WhatsApp 522 times (5%)
– Kik 494 (5%)
– TikTok 427 (4%)
– Twitter/X 294 (3%)
– YouTube 330 (3%)
They arrested the guy who’s not cooperating with the government, not the guy who actually spreads child abuse.
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‼️🚨 TELEGRAM STATEMENT:
📱 Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act — its moderation is within industry standards and constantly improving.
🛩 Telegram’s CEO Pavel Durov has nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe.
🫤 It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform.
🌐 Almost a billion users globally use Telegram as means of communication and as a source of vital information.
👍 We’re awaiting a prompt resolution of this situation. Telegram is with you all.
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🚨‼️ Rumble founder leaves Europe, due to the arrest of Telegram’s Durov.
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🇫🇷 Telegram is censoring according to government requests!
So the accusations of Telegram’s lack of moderation looks extremely dubious! Since Telegram actively moderates content in the EU. Europeans cannot access many chats and channels, receiving a message about the content not complying with EU laws, content that violates copyright is blocked, etc.
➡️ Telegram is not subject to the recently adopted EU law on regulation of large social networks (DSA), because it still has less than 45 million daily EU users.
So we are indeed witnessing an attempt to put pressure on Durov!
Examples: RT channels and Middle Eastern Resistance channels are banned.
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🇷🇺🇫🇷 Comment from the Russian Embassy in France:
After news of P.V. Durov’s arrest appeared in the media, the French authorities were immediately asked to provide an explanation of the reasons and demanded that his rights be protected and that consular access be granted.
As of today, the French side has so far avoided interaction on this issue.
We are in contact with lawyer P.V. Durov.
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The Telegram team has officially commented on Durov’s arrest.
Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act — its moderation is within industry standards and constantly improving.
Telegram’s CEO Pavel Durov has nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe.
It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform.
Almost a billion users globally use Telegram as means of communication and as a source of vital information.
We’re awaiting a prompt resolution of this situation. Telegram is with you all.
@Slavyangrad
Western intelligence cut-out err “investigative journalist”, Christo Grozev, crowing about Pavel Durov’s arrest.
Confirming he wouldn’t play ball with Western intelligence and hence his arrest.
@Slavyangrad
Italian journalist Giorgio Bianchi:
By now you all know that Pavel Durov, the founder of Telegram, has been arrested in France. Which I think is a very serious case that in a way risks becoming a new Assange case. Clearly, all of this remains to be seen, to be clarified. But it seems to me that, as in the case of Assange, this is a completely arbitrary arrest for the purpose of intimidation or, even worse, for the purpose of revenge. This case just gives me goosebumps. It appears that Durov was declared wanted shortly before landing in Paris, just as the arrest warrant was issued shortly before landing in Paris. The charges are very serious, ranging from drug trafficking to pedophilia to fraud. It’s like accusing Vodafone or other carriers of favoring those who use the phone or mobile network for terrorist operations. Or worse, the internet service providers of those who use the internet specifically to download illegal content. Durov invented the platform, and unlike his peers, he behaves not just as a founder, but as a manager of the platform, as a manager of the phone network, or as a manager of the internet, with no power over content. It’s not that if I lure a child through my phone that Vodafone can somehow be held liable for that fact, it’s clear that this is a completely speculative operation. This is the first time the Digital Services Act has been used in this sense, and we realize that by now censorship in Europe has reached paradoxical levels. In short, it’s punishing one to educate a hundred. They did this with Assange to ensure that no one like him would do this kind of information without looking anyone in the face, without filters.
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Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 26 2024 19:35 utc | 118
Posted by: Walt | Aug 27 2024 3:50 utc | 144
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 27 2024 2:51 utc | 142
Now, thanks to the benevolent Chinese communist-capitalists, the Tibetan languages (there are several) and religions are being systematically eradicated and in another generation (or two at most) nobody will even remember that there was ever an issue.
I don’t think you have ever been to Tibet.
Neither have I.
But this guy has.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nGMnQnTieU
Take a look. Perhaps you are a victim of Western disinformation.
Thank you, Walt. I enjoyed that and two more of his recent videos.
First, I am not a victim of ‘western disinformation’ but I might be a victim of Tibetan diaspora misinformation because as I’ve mentioned here before I have lived with Tibetans both in the West and in exile communities in Northern India (Bir and Tashi Jong principally). I do very occasionally read stuff in English. The last time was after an interchange here on MoA and I think I read in an English-language pro Tibetan independence website that a new policy starting this or last year would gradually remove Tibetan language from the schools. I took that info with a grain of salt because of the publication but did include it in my rant above. I don’t think the gentleman travelled enough in his govt-led 8 day visit to verify this one way or another.
What I do know for certain is that both in China and Tibet many masters from esoteric spiritual lineages elect to leave, sometimes with great difficulty. That is why most esoteric Daoist priests now live in Taiwan or elsewhere, not China, though some remain. I don’t know the percentages, just that many leave. Same with Tibet: nearly all the senior lamas in all four schools have left Tibet long ago and few if any have chosen to return permanently though of late some have gone back for visits. That is only a few thousand people in all including students, lineage heirs, attendants, monks etc. But they hold a wisdom lineage heritage that is remarkably sophisticated, which takes about twenty years of study and practice to learn only the basics, and which is now fading away because they had to leave their country and live in diasporic exile. One teacher of my own teacher who elected to stay in Tibet to work positively with the Chinese authorities died in prison three years later (back in the 50’s). He was not a high lama on a throne with a big monastery, but was known as a gifted teacher and accomplished yogi – so he was not a privileged high-ranking member of the feudal aristocracy as many lamas, including my teacher, were yet still he was locked up.
I have no doubt that most Western narrative is twisted. But some Chinese narrative is twisted too and generally the way materialist communists treat old class structures, which have good aspects as well as bad, and traditional religious lineages, which also have good aspects as well as bad, leave much to be desired.
Now I know from previous interchanges that you will not like these statements and you and others will insist I am a CIA plant or misinformed or some such. But you also might be a little misinformed even though you live in China, just like many Western citizens are misinformed about their own societies. I just happen to have met dozens of highly trained teachers from the Tibetan tradition and just happen to know that what the Chinese government says is not the whole story (and don’t regard it as a big deal either). As I’ve said here earlier this is not a major cause in my life, nor am I a fan of Tibetan feudal society (nor all of the teachers some of whom are highly spoiled feudal dictators), but it just happens to be something I have a some first-hand knowledge about, and which is not media-derived though, ‘tis true, I have never been to Tibet. The simple fact that so many highly trained Buddhist and Daoist masters elect to leave both Tibet and China is all the evidence I need to form an opinion of sorts. I regard it as a great pity; but such things have happened throughout human history and so on some level is not a big deal. My teacher never fussed about it at all, in fact was generally grateful it happened because, as he freely acknowledged, there was a lot of corruption in Tibetan feudal society back then. They probably would have developed similar to Bhutan, a neighbouring tantric Buddhist country, perhaps about 20 years after the Chinese came in to take over, but that will forever now remain hypothetical. But this is not just about what happened during the invasion-liberation; it is ongoing today as various teachers continue to leave both China and Tibet for whatever reason, but they say it is religious intolerance on the part of the CCP regime. And I believe them.
Esoteric Buddhism as richly informed by Himalayan Tibetans will survive, though much will be lost in the process as has already happened with esoteric Daoism in China – and many times before the 20th century so this is not just a communist thing. Most authorities are leary of powerful spiritual adepts who generally are not easily controlled. But not all opinions, Walt, are informed from media, though my remark about Tibetan language being phased out of the schools was one such and might well be wrong (though it could also prove correct if history is any guide).
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 27 2024 9:26 utc | 153
“that nearly all major Tibetan Buddhist lineages left Tibet and have not to this day returned”
@ 154. Scorpion
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This statement skews reality.
My teacher was born in Tibet in 1946, in the village of Tsari. Because of the political situation, the turmoil, he and his family left for India in 1959 where he began his studies, eventually becoming one of the first students in 1967 to enter a nine-year study course at the Central Institute of Higher Tibetan Studies in Varanasi, India. This included studying Madhyamika, Abhidharma, Vinaya, the Abhisamayalankara, the Uttaratantra, as well as history, logic, and Tibetan grammar. Khenchen Rinpoche took full monastic ordination from Kalu Rinpoche. He received teachings from the 16th Gyalwa Karmapa on The Eight Treasures of Mahamudra Songs, by the Indian mahasiddhas…
“In 1985, Khenchen Rinpoche traveled to the main seat of the Drikung Kagyu lineage, Drikung Thel, in Tibet. There, he was able to receive personal blessings, as well as instructions and transmissions of Mahamudra and the Six Yogas of Naropa, from the enlightened master Venerable Pachung Rinpoche…”
This is the main monastery of the Drikung Kagyu lineage, founded in 1179. Its history includes attacks by Mongols from which it survived. Its focus stresses practice, retreat snd meditation, in contrast to the Gelug sect, for example, which stresses scholarship.
“Drigung Thil Monastery was founded in 1179 by Jigten Sumgön (1143–1217), the founder of the Drikung Kagyu tradition. The order is one of the eight minor Dagpo Kagyu lineages derived from disciples of Phagmo Drupa Dorje Gyalpo (1110–70), who was in turn a disciple of Gampopa.[7] The monastery was located beside a hermitage erected in 1167 by Minyak Gomring, an illiterate ascetic pupil of Phagmodrupa. The population has fluctuated over the years….
“In 1240 the Mongol armies under Dorta Nagpo (Dorta the Black) sacked Gyel Lhakhang Monastery and Reting Monastery, then turned on Drigung. The monks managed to defend the monastery and prevent its destruction.[8] In 1290, in order to destroy the political influence of Drigung, a Mongol army under the Sakya general Aklen destroyed the monastery. The 9th lineage holder, Chunyi Dorje Rinchen (1278-1314) rebuilt the monastery with the help of the Sakya and the Emperor. The role of the monastery was now mainly limited to being a center for contemplative studies and serving as the home of the Drigung Kargyupa subsect. The monastery had regained some of its strength by the mid-14th century, but after the 15th century was eclipsed by the rise of the Gelug sect [Dalai Lama sect]. Throughout the Ming dynasty (1368-1644) the monastery played an important role in Sino-Tibetan relations….
“In 1959 there were about four hundred monks, sixty people in meditation retreats and eight Incarnate Lamas. Before and during the Cultural Revolution (1966–76) the monastery was looted of almost all its collection of statues, stupas, thangkas, manuscripts and other objects apart from a few small statues that the monks managed to hide. The buildings were severely damaged. Reconstruction began in 1983 and seven of the fifteen temples were rebuilt….
“As of 2015 Drigung Thil Monastery was occupied by about 250 monks. Although well known, particularly for its sky burial site, it does not attract many tourists, especially since the monks moved to close sky burials to uninvited guests.”
Milarepa is of this lineage, master of realization. He ate nettles while in retreat, turning green in skin hue, or so the story goes.
Diverse Tibetan religious practices have survived and thrive there today.
Posted by: suzan | Aug 27 2024 15:21 utc | 184
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