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August 11, 2024
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-190

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

Ori Goldberg @ori_goldberg – 9:01 UTC · Aug 10, 2024

1/ The massacre at the Al-Taba'een school is a crime and a horror. It is genocide. Leaving civilians no choice but to take refuge at a school and then bombing it is a crime even if Yahya Sinwar was hiding in the building. How does such dehumanization come into being? —>

8/ This is what we've been doing since there was an "us" here. In the name of "security" we have been establishing supremacy. We would be secure when "they" knew and accepted that their place was out of our sight. They were here at our indulgence. The whole thing was ours. —>

> President Zelensky’s personal fingerprints are all over it. It’s been an open secret in Kyiv for many months that the president was pressing his military chiefs to launch a summer offensive.

Given Ukraine’s manpower and resources problems, they were hesitant. But Zelensky is desperate to reverse the narrative that Ukraine is losing its war. <


Other issues:

Resistance Axis:

Color Revs in Asia:

Color Rev in Europe:

Color Rev in South America:

Globalism:

> We find Southern wages are 87–95% lower than Northern wages for work of equal skill. While Southern workers contribute 90% of the labour that powers the world economy, they receive only 21% of global income. <

Ukraine / Africa:

Olympics:

Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

Comments

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 17:18 utc | 99
jinn@97 Beautifully succinct! It is a devastating rebuttal to election denialists.
The refusal to accept common sense consequences of mass falsification of votes such as the impossibility of covering up such evidence in every state and every court, even in Republican states and courts with Republican judges, needs explanation.

Explanation: ‘deep state’. Did you read Peter Navarro’s book about the steal. Did you read Joe Hoft’s Three Volume ‘The Steal’? Did you read Patrick Byrne’s record of what happened after the election? If you have not read these, you lack understanding of how such a huge fraud could have been perpetrated. Moreover, it is about to happen again since most jurisdictions have not protected themselves against a repeat. Plus a new wrinkle this year: already several hundred thousand illegals have registered to vote with more being signed up every day. The fix is in. The Republic fell a while ago. And if Trump wins this time, will that be believable? Of course not.
Consider how many Big Frauds there have been of late in the US. Like 9/11 only 23 years ago. Like the 1000% phony ‘Russia Russia’ story which consumed DC for three years and which half the nation still believes. Like the Jan 6th ‘Insurrection’ story which half the nation also still believes.
You would have us believe, I take it, that all these stories are grounded in fact because, you say, they cannot possibly be lies? Really, that’s your argument?
Not for nothing has the West been dubbed ‘The Empire of Lies’. Your comment is an appeal to believe in a normalcy that hasn’t existed in fact for decades, if ever. A Great Big Lie.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 18:56 utc | 101

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 12 2024 15:26 utc | 93
This will backfire on Google/Youtube. Posters will move to alternative systems, leaving the Youtube advertisers unable to reach an increasing amount of ‘disposable income’ from Russian citizens.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 12 2024 19:02 utc | 102

I don’t know if anyone has seen this.
Trump has released his 20 core promises.
I think he might be able to do 2 of them.
He’s going to undo the multi-polar world and stop 2 World War scenarios, presumably with “PERFECT” phone calls.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2024 19:12 utc | 103

Scorpion@101 recommends Peter Navarro. The Amazon description reads “In Peter Navarro’s telling—he was in all of the rooms where it happened—Trump’s fall may be laid squarely at the feet of a coterie of incompetent and disloyal ‘bad personnel’ inside the White House. They continually sought to undermine the commander in chief they putatively served and included everyone from Attorney General Bill Barr, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, and National Economic Council Directors Gary Cohn and Larry Kudlow, to National Security Advisors H.R. McMaster and John “Dr. Strangelove” Bolton, Jared “Rasputin” Kushner, the Four-Star Traitors in Generals John Kelly and Jim Mattis, and four of the worst chiefs of staff in White House history.” If Jared Kushner is Deep State, then so is Donald Trump. All of these people are out front and on top. This refutes Scorpion’s non-answer of “deep state.” And no, Amazon does not falsify descriptions of products they’re trying to sell to make them less attractive. Also, if they did, they’d get sued. Even this positive description make Navarro sound like a general claiming that if he’d been running the campaign the war would have been won. Maybe…but not the way to bet.
As to Hoft, before I invest time and money in three books I need a hint they’re worth it. https://missouriindependent.com/2024/06/28/st-louis-based-gateway-pundit-accused-of-using-bankruptcy-to-derail-defamation-suits/ The problem with dismissing this as lawfare by the forces of evil is twofold, Hoft has money and frivolous lawsuits cost less to defend, especially given the many criminal convictions and winning lawsuits against Democrat fraudster in Republican states and Republican courts. Those precedents would be so useful if they even come to trial. (Yes, the last two sentences are sarcasm.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 19:27 utc | 104

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 19:27 utc | 104
So I take it you won’t be reading the books then, eh?

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 19:34 utc | 105

https://archive.org/details/the-art-of-the-steal-1.5.21-final_202102/The%20Art%20of%20the%20Steal%201.5.21%20FINAL/
Here are links to Peter Navarro’s three volume powerpoint presentation written a couple of months after the 2020 election. Not available on Amazon, it seems. Each ‘volume’ is 15-30 pages. It gives a quick overview of the different types of fraud practiced along with a down and dirty sense of the scope involved.
I did not read Joe Hoft’s The Steal which presumably is far more detailed given it was written several years after the event.
Whether not these books accurately depict what happened, they do show ways in which massive fraud could have been perpetrated; this refutes the lazy argument by assertion that ‘it couldn’t possibly happen’ because ‘Republican Courts’ or ‘Amazon only writes honest reviews’ or whatever. These sorts of arguments by assertion can be used to refute any challenge to mainstream narratives such as the official 9/11 story, Russia Russia or Jan Insurrection.
But assertion is not argument, rather a group think appeal to believing the Big Lie. Because not doing so is intimated as being not kosher somehow. Thus is an appeal to conformism or what I think of as ‘high school peer pressure’ mentality. In other words, not quite adult. Sheeplish.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 19:53 utc | 106

https://warroom.film/product/government-gangsters/
For those (few!) interested, a film recently released by Steve Bannon (now in jail) and Kash Patel.

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Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 20:34 utc | 107

I find all of this US election stuff very entertaining. A fascinating display of cognitive dissonance. Nothing has changed since the last election, and it seems irrational to expect a different result. Nonetheless, people will be wearing their “I voted” stickers on election day, which will be interpreted as a “dunce cap” by the RoW.
I look forward to the empty-headed Obama acolyte, Kamala Harris being the next US President by a historic victory margin as American conservatives whine and complain like babies that have had their binky taken away. Seems like a righteous outcome as many are Christian Zionists.
All Hail Kamala! Long Live Obama!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2024 20:35 utc | 108

@ jinn | Aug 12 2024 16:44 utc | 97
thanks.. i take it you didn’t agree with the article i linked to.. did you agree with the title and the subtitle?? here it is again..
“The slow dying of American democracy
DNC’s selection of Harris as the party candidate is proof positive that they plan on cheating and stealing another election. Will the American voters shrug again?”
i basically see the process as the death of what was a democratic process… harris’s coronation is just that – a coronation… now, i don’t live in the usa and don’t spend any time on televised or youtube videos, and instead read transcripts… i have been left with the impression that harris is a fairly vacuous personality devoid of much in the way of leadership abilities… this is not to say i am fond of trump who exhibits clear narrisistic personalty traits – but he is mildy entertaining from a comic angle.. i wish the americans well in the whole election process, but to me it is increasingly clear it is one big giant facade, much like the one in the wizard of oz… at some point the mask is going to be ripped off and that appears to be happening in degrees at this point.. here in canada – it ain’t much different, although the world is not rivetted to canuck elections as they are to usa elections..
@ juliania | Aug 12 2024 18:54 utc | 100
thanks for the stories of you in this regard.. i have never been into opera, but am a slow convert to classical music… i did see a fantastic contemporary dance event to classical music at the opera house in bordeaux and that was a lovely experience!! i am now much more interested in contemporary dance performance!

Posted by: james | Aug 12 2024 20:35 utc | 109

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2024 20:35 utc | 108
Whoever they vote for, Netanyahu still wins.
Unless civil war breaks out in Israel, which is not inconceivable…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 12 2024 20:44 utc | 110

On the Ukraine Open Thread, ‘Norwegian’ posted two Telegram posts that, on the Telegram website, showed the Ukrainian, Nazi and pirate flag emoji in order. But here on MoA the Nazi flag is replaced with the modern German one.
I wasn’t sure at first if Telegram was using the Nazi flag design as the German flag emoji*. But now I have an alternate theory: that Telegram has a Nazi flag emoji available as an alternative to the German one (like the different emoji skin tones), but Android (I use a Samsung) and Linux don’t support it (yet), so the German flag appeared unintentionally.
Other theories/explanations the next barfly may posit are as good as mine.
(* Telegram was reportedly using the white and red Belarusian flag for its emoji set, despite otherwise using the same emoji as Apple which uses the present red and green flag. How is Germany’s flag portrayed in Telegram proper?)

Posted by: joey_n | Aug 12 2024 20:45 utc | 111

Drawing from a comment by @Tichy in the Open Ukraine topic, would an audit of the US gold reserves in Fort Knox even be allowed? Or would anyone campaigning for such an audit suffer from an “unfortunate lapse in briefings for the security detail”?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 12 2024 20:49 utc | 112

Scorpion@106 doesn’t even know the difference between a description and a review.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 21:09 utc | 113

they do show ways in which massive fraud could have been perpetrated;
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 19:53 utc | 106
There is something missing from the stories about 2020 election fraud: facts that support the story.
One of the things that I find ironic about the complaints of 2020 voting fraud is blaming it on electronic voting machines and mail-in ballots. As far as i know mail-in ballots are 100% paper ballots. Voting precincts that had been relying on voting machines were in 2020 suddenly confronted with a deluge of paper ballots and naturally that caused delays in tabulating votes. The delays were exploited as evidence that fraud was happening.
Its not a lazy argument to say that it didn’t happen because ‘Republican Courts’. Its a perfectly reasonable argument because the courts looked at the facts and found them to not support the claims of fraud. The lazy argument is to just parrot a story without looking at the facts.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 12 2024 21:58 utc | 114

@ jinn | Aug 12 2024 16:44 utc | 97
thanks.. i take it you didn’t agree with the article i linked to.. did you agree with the title and the subtitle?? here it is again..
“The slow dying of American democracy
DNC’s selection of Harris as the party candidate is proof positive that they plan on cheating and stealing another election. Will the American voters shrug again?”.
Posted by: james | Aug 12 2024 20:35 utc | 109
Selection of Harris is evidence that US democracy is dying and also evidence of cheating and stealing since no voters were allowed in the selection process. But there won’t be any cheating and stealing in the election. Its not as if there is any reason for TPTB to care which one wins. What TPTB care about is once again the voters are suckered into a phony battle between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum.
I expect Trump will win and he will hand out more swag to his constituency, the Billionaires.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 12 2024 22:15 utc | 115

james@109 for some unknowable reason thinks it is an outrage on democracy if the VP candidate is not selected by the Presidential candidate. I suppose that violates the Royal Prerogative of the Elective Kingship? If Biden had dropped dead Harris would have been the probable candidate as the obvious inheritor. That’s what VPs are, designated successors. If Trump stroked out, I think anybody but J.D. Vance as Republican nominee would be obviously a scam. And calls to consider someone else would be deemed wrecking operations by traitors and outsiders.
Personally, I firmly believe that the presidential nominee selecting the vice presidential nominee is fundamentally undemocratic, part of the assumption that the party is just a loose band of political entrepreneurs selling themselves as Democrat or Republican, roughly the same way a restaurant franchise owner might sell Wendy’s or McDonald’s. They finally settle on the top dog and leave all the politics that don’t affect their own donors to him. Leaving the VP to the winner really is a confession that actual political principles, much less programs and personnel, are not even subjects the “party” is about. The problem with rejecting that of course is that for decades both parties have done it this way.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 22:31 utc | 116

@ jinn | Aug 12 2024 22:15 utc | 115
thanks jinn.. i think i see it much the same as you..
@ steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 22:31 utc | 116
hey steven.. i can’t read past your first line as you’ve immediately mis-characterized me, or misunderstood me… which is it??

Posted by: james | Aug 12 2024 22:45 utc | 117

james@109 for some unknowable reason thinks it is an outrage on democracy if the VP candidate is not selected by the Presidential candidate.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 12 2024 22:31 utc | 116
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umm, james @109 was commenting on the fundamentally undemocratic way the Dims’ presidential candidate was selected . . . thus rendering your comment irrelevant.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 12 2024 22:54 utc | 118

Posted by: jinn | Aug 12 2024 21:58 utc | 114
… The lazy argument is to just parrot a story without looking at the facts.

On that we are agreed. 100%.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 23:22 utc | 119

Meanwhile, there is a viable Independent Candidate for President about to be qualified on the ballot in all States. No small achievement.
https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1822713542942085208

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 23:25 utc | 120

Posted by: jinn | Aug 12 2024 22:15 utc | 115
I expect Trump will win and he will hand out more swag to his constituency, the Billionaires.

So I take it you believe all the attacks against him in the Press, in State and Federal Courts, impeachment trials in the Senate, raids on his House etc., this is all kayfabe because he works for Billionaires like every other politician?
So do you think he will win his $100 million case against DOJ? Or doesn’t matter, because it’s all kayfabe?

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 23:31 utc | 121

I am taking the liberty of posting the following comment in full from nakedcapitalism’s recent links thread, as the essay linked within it has clarity and depth:

Carolinian
August 11, 2024 at 1:23 pm
Patrick Lawrence speaking truth.
“In my view the power the Israelis assert to influence U.S. politics and policy—an influence that comes close to dictating it—is ephemeral. It is based on the aforementioned bribery, threats, and coercion on the administering side. On the receiving end, things proceed by way of greed and fear. Israel’s power depends, in other words, on human frailties. Its wellspring is our greater or lesser givenness to corruption. The difference between greater and lesser can be measured in the fates of Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman.
The United States’ power is altogether of another kind. It rests at bottom on material advantage, as Western hegemony has done for the past 500 years. It coerces, bribes, and threatens, of course, but it can also invade and destroy—all this to state the very obvious. Reducing this to the simplest terms, while the Pentagon could invade Israel were it ordered to do so, the Israel Defense Forces could not invade the U.S. The latter, indeed, is incapable of invading even Lebanon or Iran without the assurance of American backing. ”
https://scheerpost.com/2024/08/10/patrick-lawrence-israel-runs-the-u-s-no-the-u-s-runs-israel-no-wait/
His point is that recent AIPAC muscle flexing in our elections is a sign that they are losing the American public rather than winning. I’d say that just reading this blog over time that attitudes have changed and not in favor of the 9.5 million.
Whether Netanyahu really is a bit mental, our policy on the ME most definitely is since it doesn’t serve US interests, only those of some well bribed DC-ians. That which cannot continue won’t.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 12 2024 23:35 utc | 122

Just to clarify my above post. The comment from Carolinian does continue after the posted link, to the end of my comment.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 12 2024 23:54 utc | 123

So I take it you believe all the attacks against him in the Press, in State and Federal Courts, impeachment trials in the Senate, raids on his House etc., this is all kayfabe because…
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 23:31 utc | 121
The because is -> without all that he would lose the election.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 12 2024 23:55 utc | 124

Posted by: jinn | Aug 12 2024 23:55 utc | 124
So I take it you believe all the attacks against him in the Press, in State and Federal Courts, impeachment trials in the Senate, raids on his House etc., this is all kayfabe because…
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 12 2024 23:31 utc | 121
The because is -> without all that he would lose the election.

But if it’s all empty theatre there is no winning or losing, it is all entirely meaningless.
I can understand this POV but am not (yet?) cynical enough to accept it. But also, if I were to accept it, then the level of script control by TBTB is far more advanced than am willing to accept either. From my own personal experience I know that few tell me what to think, where to go, what to say and that is true for 99% of everyone I meet. So I don’t believe that the public sphere is controlled by a small secret group even though that is the simplest, most intuitively satisfying explanation for all the inanity we keep witnessing month after month. I suspect the reality is more like we are all part of a huge LARP with some spheres more influential than others but none actually able to control the whole.
Put another way: the next moment is always uncertain, can never be known; that seems to be pretty much a Law. Some try to transcend this limitation and go to extraordinary lengths to do so, but never succeed. So I cannot buy the kayfabe hypothesis even though, again, it often seems like the most reasonable explanation.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 0:32 utc | 125

Trump is just a trojan horse, he has been groomed since his many acting jobs and television appearances since the 1980s to be a “President”. We all saw 2017-2021 and what he actually did vs what he said he would do. All the “media-hate” and the “lawfare” just has kept in the media spotlight for years, and his cult-status just goes up and up and up. Nobody considers reverse-psychology. Trump’s elevation to Republican nominee wasn’t any less “democratic” than was Harris’s. Not really. But whatever. If he and Vance end the war against Slavs, that would be great. Doubt a new Trump admin would change globalist foreign policy in any meaningful way. Trump plays the identity politics issues for the TV cameras only. And ALL-CAPS TWEETS.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 1:39 utc | 126

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 0:32 utc | 125
Thanks to Carolinian at nakedcapitalism.com, I have just posted a reasonable explanation in the essay by Patrick Lawrence posted at juliania | Aug 12 2024 23:35 utc | 122 above, Scorpion. I would appreciate your opinion.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 13 2024 1:40 utc | 127

TBTB got to Trump when he came back from meetings with DPRK”s Kim (Singapore confab) with a plan to be nice to DPRK, remove sanctions etc., and then — and only then — DPRK (North Korea) would get rid of their nukes. . .Then, no need for tens of thousands of US troops in the area, no US Air Force fleets in South Korea one air-hour from Beijing, no more an occupied Japan (including Okinawa), no more Indo-Pacific BS etc. It was all tossed, of course.
Which is a shame, because Trump did verbally attack NATO and cut back US wars elsewhere, including a plan to leave Afghanistan. (The mainstream media never explained it with DPRK.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 13 2024 2:02 utc | 128

Posted by: juliania | Aug 13 2024 1:40 utc | 127
500 years ago is around the time the West ‘discovered’ the Americas and began mining huge quantities of gold and silver which developed East-West trade at the same time that the Mandarins overthrew the Mongol Dynasty and, with their Maritime Ban, put China into a long-term decline mode with piracy ruling the Chinese coastal populations (the majority) for a couple of centuries. So although it is true that the West has prospered from karlof1’s pleonexia, it is generally overlooked that China, by pulling in its horns, created a gap in world commerce filled by anarchic/criminal elements from both East and West operating in a weak, post-Mongol Law era.
So five hundred years ago the world economy was primed for piracy in part because of domestic Asian weakness – where was concentrated most of the world’s wealth – not only Western greed and aggression.
During this period, elements within Western polities favoured the primacy of mercantilism and banking over non-materialist honour code systems based, however imperfectly, in feudal or theocratic mores. Transactionalism bred materialism which birthed the Industrial Modern Age the entire world has now embraced, East and West, communist and capitalist.
Perhaps piracy has outlived its usefulness, along with excessive materialism, so we have come to a crossroads and the power networks which have dominated the past few centuries need replacing but doing this means changing the underlying ethos driving modern civilization. This is a very big thing. If history is any guide, only war, plague and famine drive such changes.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 2:12 utc | 129

james@109 copied “DNC’s selection of Harris as the party candidate is proof positive that they plan on cheating and stealing another election.” In context, this was an endorsement of it as a reasonable comment, asking for clarification as to how someone could disagree
Then james@117 asks directly “hey steven.. i can’t read past your first line as you’ve immediately mis-characterized me, or misunderstood me… which is it??”
Neither. The selection of Harris as presidential candidate is not undemocratic, because Harris as VP was already the designated successor. The dread letters “DNC” may sound demonic, but the notion that any party’s presidential candidate should be chosen by the coverage in the MSM or maybe an open auction of rich donors is undemocratic. Who else should select the presidential candidate but the party leadership at this point in time? The supposedly democratic system of an prolonged series of state primaries with the membership at large voting (which in practice is rigged to favor incumbents and big money candidates—overlapping categories by the way) is not even physically possible this close to the election, because the system is decentralized. All VP candidates selected at the whim of the presidential candidate is an undemocratic system in my opinion but the custom of decades has been exactly that, and it’s upheld by both Democrats and Republicans. If the members’ votes counted, the VP candidate for the Republicans should be Nikki Haley, not JD Vance. Biden’s dropping out because of a donor strike is not democratic in the sense of majority rule, but it’s doubtful many others in the commentariat here even believe in majority rule. Nor for that matter is it obvious how james could have meant to refer to Biden dropping out as somehow a cheat. Sorry to repeat the substance of my original comment, but james may not have read past the first line of my original comment.
The objection expressed in the quote only makes sense if one thinks that the Democratic Party candidate should not be chosen by Democratic Party members of any sort, rank and file or internally elected leaders, presumably on the grounds that the Duopoly is actually a part of the government. I think that concedes far too much credibility to the system. I suppose it’s possible the objection comes from a feeling no Democrats are not genuine people? There may be some strange notion that Biden dropping out is like slipping in a ringer. This is even more peculiar in a commentariat which claims to believe Biden has been a vegetable for years. If that were true it was Biden who was the fraud, the facade for whoever was really running things. Biden quitting was getting rid of the front man. The cheap cynicism of pretending all presidents and presidential candidates are fronts exposes outrage at changing one puppet for another as a pose.
malenkov’s attempt at an objection forgets the role of VPs applies to VP candidates: They are replacements for the president. It is making a case for someone else to replace Biden on the ticket

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 4:05 utc | 130

steven t johnson posts very long-winded but highly partisan political stuff, and the posts are what I would call a “scrollers”. Lots and lots of words but little or no substance.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 4:25 utc | 131

@ steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 4:05 utc | 130
steven… i read thru this post, if it is any consolation.. it sounds as though you think there is a serious lack of democracy in the system as well.. i am not making an exception for the dnc.. i believe the dnc and republican party are 2 sides of the same party – the war party and both serve the oligarchs..
the whole process isn’t working and hasn’t worked for a very long time.. it works for the oligarchs.. the usa is a plutocracy..it’s not a democracy or only in the most flimsy of ways… it revolves around money.. who owns the media is quite important.
the harris coronation is just that – a coronation.. the party brass found it impossible to ”stand by their man” biden and essentially dumped him.. biden didn’t do it of his own accord or volition.. the party / oligarchy could no longer support him.. if you think that is democracy – well – maybe that is how democracy works in the world today.. it looks broken and a type of ‘infanticide of democracy’ at this point..
perhaps you can explain to me the purpose of the upcoming democrat convention.. isn’t this where the membership gets to voice their views on the whole process going forward, or is it just supposed to be an ongoing coronation? sure – harris is the VP and replaces the president if something goes amiss with the president, but i don’t believe that includes the VP replacing the president on the 2024 ballot – that is for the democrat membership to decide, or am i wrong on that?? i suppose you believe this is what has happened here and biden has graciously accepted stepping down after jan 20th 2025…
and yes – the president is just a figurehead as i see it.. he is like a puppet on a string, much like zelensky in fact.. a useful tool or idiot as the case may be..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 4:38 utc | 132

craig murray from today.. i highly recommend it..
We Are The Bad Guys

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 4:49 utc | 133

@ james | Aug 13 2024 4:38 utc | 132 who wrote

a useful tool or idiot as the case may be.

which doesn’t allow for the puppet to be both.
A suggest friendly upgrade which I am sure you meant……
I am so out of touch I didn’t remember that Chicago 2024 is still going to happen for the Blue faggots of the money party. Will it outshine the Olympics? Who is the Director/Producer?
And while all this is going on, Rome (Ukraine/ME) is burning with the flames about to engulf the host.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:53 utc | 134

I went by to check what’s happening at Sonar21, Larry Johnson’s site, and my firewall blocks the site, says it’s got malware. Anyone else having this experience? I’ve tried four or five times over maybe six hours, same every time.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 13 2024 5:42 utc | 135

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 13 2024 5:42 utc | 135
No problem for me to access it, Honzo. My normal link works fine….
https://sonar21.com/monday-chats-on-the-wars-in-ukraine-and-palestine/

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 5:48 utc | 136

steven t johnson posts very long-winded but highly partisan political stuff, and the posts are what I would call a “scrollers”. Lots and lots of words but little or no substance.
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 4:25 utc | 131
My norskie accent has it right: steven t yawnson.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 13 2024 6:33 utc | 137

As stock market crashes, is US facing new financial crisis? Economist Michael Hudson explains
The stock market crashed on August 5, in a new “Black Monday”. What caused it? Is the USA on the verge of a new financial crisis? Ben Norton is joined by economist Michael Hudson to discuss the extreme volatility, AI / Big Tech bubble, Japanese yen carry trade unwind, Chinese economy, and geopolitical dangers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgBVvz5RIM

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 9:27 utc | 138

Is King Rat Musk the Mirthless angling to stop the revenge on his twatter baby by tantrum trump?
After all it was then that de platformed a SITTING POTUS !
Talk of old style commie disappearing acts!
Yeah the DS has some karma due and if they don’t succeed with Kamaleon – the PR iron laddy she was a he-man even when she was giving head – that steal is well underway with the fake polls and her miraculous popularity! What if the voter fraud can’t be unleashed? If there is a mass turnout it makes it very hard to stuff ballots -then you get a wildly high , impossible turnout.
So Musk Rat had gone from woke saviour to right wing xenophobe fire brand. Hey look even the EU are huffing and puffing about it so it must be true , right? See mr trump he has changed and really is on side unlike Old Twattter.
The fucking EU even uses the recent agit prop disturbances in the U.K. as a reason to warn X Man! That’s the U.K. that is not in the EU any more. The U.K. that has t said anything about Musk being so evil.
Lordy Lordy their Narratives are getting so complex they are dangerously close to having them stuffed up their arseholes in all their contortions.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 13 2024 10:01 utc | 139

Will Schryver
@imetatronink
‼️ I have made mention of this previously and will do so again:
Civil wars do not happen because the masses rise up against their masters. They happen when a schism forms between the masters.
………..
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
There appears to be a massive DDOS attack on 𝕏. Working on shutting it down.
Worst case, we will proceed with a smaller number of live listeners and post the conversation later.

Musk is to interview Trump with the coverage on X/twitter. Will be interesting to see how far the globalist faction is willing to go to stop the nationalist/realist faction taking power.
Not good for Americans but if it went to civil war at election time it would be good for the rest of the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 10:01 utc | 140

It must be frustrating to work at the EU. You tell Elon Musk to censor political views you don’t like, and are disrespected.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 13 2024 10:28 utc | 141

“steven t johnson posts very long-winded but highly partisan political stuff, and the posts are what I would call a “scrollers”. Lots and lots of words but little or no substance.”
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 4:25 utc | 131
“My norskie accent has it right: steven t yawnson.”
Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 13 2024 6:33 utc | 137
Maybe we are on to something?
yawnson’s posts could be used as a non medicine cure for insomnia: simply record yawnson’s posts and people play the recording and fall to sleep!!!

Posted by: canuck | Aug 13 2024 10:47 utc | 142

steven t johnson writes: “The selection of Harris as presidential candidate is not undemocratic, because Harris as VP was already the designated successor.”
I’m sorry, but this is either clueless or mendacious. The VP is the designated successor to the P only in the event of the P’s departure from office during his term. The VP is in no way a “designated successor” in what is supposed to be a democratic process to determine the P’s successor upon the natural expiration of the P’s term.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 12:39 utc | 143

Of course there was a huge amount of election interference in 2020, by both sides, just the Democrat side was way better at at and couldn’t hide their glee. They celebrated in this article in the Time magazine The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election. Of course, we can add the massive conspiracy to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop that would have sunk Biden in 2020.
The US establishment will tip the scales for the candidate most beneficial to them as a whole. In 2000 it was Bush (with the Supreme Court and Bush’s buddies running the Florida election process), in 2004 it was Bush (the Ohio mass voting shenanigans and the “swift boating” of Kerry). In 2008 and 2012, they put in their “first Black American” (actually Anglo-Kenyan from a Hawaii deep state family) hopey changey guy to consolidate the gains under Bush and bail out the banksters (and therefore themselves). Miscalculated a little in 2016, but quickly put the stops on Trump doing anything silly. In 2020 it was the uber-establishment safe pair of hands Biden, even though he was already in cognitive decline.
The establishment is split between the Zionists-fight Russia-fight China brigade and the Zionists-make some peace with Russia-fight China brigade; Harris vs. Trump. Whichever establishment group becomes dominant will decide which candidate gets elected. Not much else will change, perhaps a few sacrificial assholes to the slaughter if Trump gets in to make it appear that he is doing something. Then Trump has a “medical emergency”, he is getting old you know and we get the death-star favourite JD Vance.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 13 2024 13:08 utc | 144

@Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 12:39 utc | 143
steven t johnson could never be called clueless.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 13 2024 13:10 utc | 145

An excellent take down of the UK establishment’s, and both Conservative and Labour Party’s, and Zionist leaders, egged on by the media, Islamophobic propaganda of the past decade (and lets not forget the previous decade of the “Muslim-terrorist” forever repeated meme).
Former British Soldier EXPOSES UK Riots
Double Down News on youtube has some great and very informative videos.
The riots were fully a controlled operation to facilitate the authoritarian legislation required to put down the increasingly huge anti-Palestine marches, with the riots as a ruse. Especially required now that the Zionist regime is being allowed to starve and dehydrate 2 million people to death on top of the 200,000+ already murdered.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 13 2024 13:17 utc | 146

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 4:49 utc | 133
Thank you, james. Craig Murray expresses the awful realization most of us have begun to face, as expressed in the link I gave to Patrick Lawrence’s essay on the Netanyahu appearance before Congress. I’m also struck by the essay from karlof1 linked at one of the other threads that places an emphasis on the narrow point on which western economy is balanced – Alistair Crooke seems transfixed by the importance of that fact , also stressed by Michael Hudson in a recent talk. Ukraine’s wealth being denied, it’s Gaza and offshore oil being sought by the ravenous beast calling itself empire.
The two US parties can’t escape condemnation. Clinton in his first term actually balanced the budget, or so it was said. These days nothing seems verifiable, who knows if that was actually so? Fallujah was shrouded in darkness, but Gaza is not.
Again, thank you James.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 13 2024 13:27 utc | 147

But if it’s all empty theatre there is no winning or losing, it is all entirely meaningless.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 0:32 utc | 125
That response is not rational.
There is winning and losing. I believe Trump will win because more voters will cast a ballot for Trump.
The whole argument that millions of fraudulent votes were cast in 2020 is propagated for the purpose of encouraging people to vote for Trump. It makes no sense. Millions of people will be motivated to vote for Trump because they believe the story that the election is rigged.
As for it being meaningless. I don’t think Trump’s ability to generate mass psychosis has no meaning.
It is certainly reasonable to question how a candidate that has the mental acuity of a turnip got the largest vote count in history.
The explanation is not what they were voting for but what they were voting against. The delusional thinking of voters on both sides is significant.
I believe that TPTB were surprised that Biden won in 2020. I don’t know anybody that admits to voting for Biden but lots of people boast of voting against Trump. Trump’s ability to generate psychosis in the masses was greatly underestimated.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 13 2024 13:46 utc | 148

https://sonar21.com/monday-chats-on-the-wars-in-ukraine-and-palestine/
Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 5:48 utc | 136
Huh. I get the same problem using your link. Malwarebytes says the connection is not secure, there’s an “err_ssl_protocol_error” and that “sonar21.com sent an invalid response.”

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 13 2024 14:15 utc | 149

Opinion piece. Recommend.

“Subliminal Message from Beijing to Washington amidst the War Drums”
Anger is a pyromaniac. Under its influence, we tend to provoke a reaction from our adversary, which serves as fuel to fan the flames, thus increasing the legitimacy of the angry inferno. The method is convenient for practicing accusatory inversion and making the one reacting to aggression the instigator of hell.
Today, Washington is angry. The object of this anger is China’s spectacular rise to power, which is increasingly shaking the foundations and legitimacy of US domination of the world….
Washington’s strategy of escalating tensions aims to target the fulcrums that make the multipolarity advocated by Beijing and Russia a geopolitical reality. Fomenting conflicts involving Beijing’s strategic partners is the path the United States seems to have chosen to curb China’s rise to power and harm its strategic investments….
One power struggle, two world views
Through its leaders, its satellite countries and its megaphone, the mainstream media, the United States strives to portray East-West tensions as a conflict of hierarchy between two models of governance: liberal democracies, synonymous with the West, and autocracies, synonymous with emerging powers. China, on the other hand, offers a different interpretation: the reason for global geopolitical tensions is the questioning of the hierarchy of power in a world where the overwhelming majority of people are challenging American hegemony.
Despite the risk of confrontation it raises, the exacerbation of tensions between Beijing and Washington certainly has one merit: it shows that the two powers have two diametrically opposed conceptions of the world, of their place in it, and of the rules that are supposed to govern relations between states.
Just as it cannot conceive of its own sovereignty without respecting the sovereignty of other states – which implies the primacy of the principle of non-interference and the rejection of any hegemonic power – China also considers that there is an interdependence between its development and that of other nations. This is the founding idea of the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, complemented by the vision of a Community of Destiny for Mankind….
Behind Beijing’s placid posture, a message to Washington
… China’s challenge is to break the United States’ militaristic logic, without indulging its strategy of conflagration….
For the time being, Beijing has decided to meet this challenge with silence. A good illustration of this is the conflict in the Middle East and Gaza. China’s silence has prompted the Western bloc to reveal its cards and discredit itself. ‘Freedom’, ‘Human Rights’, ‘Democracy’ and ‘International Law’ are suffering the same carnage as the Palestinian people.
Beijing’s silence also keeps Washington in the dark about the military capabilities of Beijing’s and Moscow’s partners….
…the United States cannot conceive that the deterrent power of its rivals can be applied to itself. It was only by confronting NATO militarily, through Ukraine, that Russia’s deterrent power could be restored….
Today, when Washington seems to be saying: We run the world, and China is part of the world, China seems to be replying, in the manner of Aimé Césaire: Strength is not within us, but above us.
12.08.2024 Author: Lama El Horr
https://journal-neo.su/2024/08/12/subliminal-message-from-beijing-to-washington-amidst-the-war-drums/

Posted by: suzan | Aug 13 2024 14:17 utc | 150

Posted by: jinn | Aug 13 2024 13:46 utc | 148
Interesting reply.
Though I generally disagree with just about every single sentence!
And so it goes!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 14:18 utc | 151

As china is the next US target for war, along with Iran, China is now ‘interfering’ in US election sham.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-13/green-cicada-beijing-ai-network-uncovered-social-media-x/104219752
“Beijing-based ‘Green Cicada’ AI network uncovered on social media, fears of US election disruption”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:16 utc | 152

@ psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:53 utc | 134
i dunno james… there is little idiot and big idiot… so you sell out for the elites – does that make you smart or an idiot?? personally i think that makes someone an idiot… a calculating idiot maybe, but an idiot, none the less… zelensky is a case in point.. he is going to be lucky if he can save his ass in all of what he has helped bring on the ukrainians.. so he is a tool and an idiot… that is how i see that…
@ juliania | Aug 13 2024 13:27 utc | 147
thanks juliania.. when you think craig murray is going to be 66 years old this october- clearly it can take a while to see the reality that has been obfuscated for obvious reasons… it is a depressing realization, i am sure, but at least it has happened as opposed to not..we are the bad guys and they are the good guys… it is the opposite of the john wayne shows and a whole lot of other forms of soft propaganda that have encouraged people to believe ‘we are the good guys’…. the reality is different.. i think this viewpoint is possible, but it is like extracting wisdom out of life, and although i think it is mostly for older people – perhaps young people are capable of it too in so far as they have removed themselves from the brainwashing… propaganda works.. that is the sad truth… it is nice to see craig murray come to terms with this – liberating in fact..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 15:31 utc | 153

Roger | Aug 13 2024 13:17 utc | 146
*** The riots were fully a controlled operation to facilitate the authoritarian legislation required to put down the increasingly huge anti-Palestine marches, with the riots as a ruse. Especially required now that the Zionist regime is being allowed to starve and dehydrate 2 million people to death on top of the 200,000+ already murdered.***
The choreographed riots’ immediate objective, yes … but longer term, the intent is to facilitate the suppression of dissent over other agendas (home and abroad) which the Starmer regime will also be inflicting or a participant in — and the pubic will not want.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 13 2024 17:22 utc | 154

james@132 again asks directly: “perhaps you can explain to me the purpose of the upcoming democrat convention.. isn’t this where the membership gets to voice their views on the whole process going forward, or is it just supposed to be an ongoing coronation? sure – harris is the VP and replaces the president if something goes amiss with the president, but i don’t believe that includes the VP replacing the president on the 2024 ballot – that is for the democrat membership to decide, or am i wrong on that?? i suppose you believe this is what has happened here and biden has graciously accepted stepping down after jan 20th 2025…”
Answering in reverse order, so far as I can tell Biden stepped down when there was a donor strike organized, stopping delivery on millions in pledges. Live by the donor, die by the donor, so far as I’m concerned. I don’t think the role of big money donors is democratic, but the role of big money donors most certainly is Democratic, and Republican too. I don’t take seriously objections to one but not to the other, sorry that just seems like a partisan commitment not a serious analysis. (This didn’t have a question mark, but I think it implies a question.)
Second Question: The Democratic Party membership is supposed to have chosen its candidate in the years long primary process. And in that process the rank and file membership was supposed to have chosen its leadership, the delegates to the convention. Saying the convention delegates don’t have the power to choose a presidential candidate is equivalent to claiming elected members of a legislature can’t vote on laws without consulting the electorate in each case. Or perhaps a better analogy is saying that a stock market broker cannot make any trades for clients without consulting the client. This is suddenly dragging in an ideal direct democracy (not one everybody agrees with!) while ignoring the actually existing representative democracy. The role of big money donors in confirming Harris is scarcely hidden, it was almost bragged about as proof Harris was a serious candidate. In actually existing US politics, “serious” means getting big money from the people who matter.
Suddenly requiring that the MSM (both factions) should get to promote a horse race instead of primaries, or even worse, that donors should be required to make open bids on the convention floor, which is what is necessarily implied is not democratic. In ideal democracy, the imaginary standard being only partially applied here, campaign financing and campaign coverage would be publicly funded to minimize the role of big money. But it’s not in actually existing democracy. Most of all of course, Harris was running with Biden and technically she is the only candidate who “won” primaries. Formally, she was selected by those primaries to step in for Biden. In an ideal democracy she would therefore step in for Biden. What I object to is that she was actually simply selected by Biden. The actually existing democratic process for “choosing” candidates is to simply leave it to the winning candidate and it is regarded as another royal prerogative of the candidate for elective monarch. I think this custom is even more objectionable in an ideal democracy, but it is more or less a sacred principle in actually existing democracy in the US today. There is not any mechanism to consult the rank and file. There are not even any rules written.
First question: Yes, conventions are most of all supposed to be the beginning of the general election campaign. All this elaborate rigmarole of scattered primaries is designed to maximize the influence of big money and prevent unacceptable (to the ruling class) aka unserious candidates from playing a role. And this does imply they are to be “coronations,” as savage in-fighting is not useful for the general election campaign. Ditto fights on praty programs and platforms. Personally I don’t watch convention coverage and haven’t since the early seventies. That’s because I don’t think highly of actually existing democracy (I personally prefer actually existing socialism.) Maybe even worse by your standards, I don’t worry much about ideal democracy, not being very reformist. And I especially don’t find one-time-only demands to be much more than partisan interventions under high sounding phrases. I know very well why Trump and any surviving non-Trump Republicans want the Democratic Party to de facto split at a contested convention. My state has a rule that only officially registered write-in candidates can have write-in votes even counted! I find that sort of thing vastly more undemocratic than Harris taking over when Biden drops out after nobody could repeat the facade of primaries!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 17:29 utc | 155

If you use the same dichotomous thinking, malenkov@143 is either clueless or mendacious. The reference to “a democratic process” imagines a physically impossible series of new primaries to determine the new candidate! This is a BS objection. Doubling down doesn’t gild the turd.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 17:39 utc | 156

Wisco@131 can’t even say what party I’m highly partisan about. Hint: It’s not the Democratic Party. That’s content-free. Otherwise it’s Wisco the English teacher complaining about my writing style, which is also vacuous.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 17:42 utc | 157

In the service of his continued mendacity steven t johnson chooses to suspend the rules of logic. For if it was impossible to follow a democratic process in selecting Harris, then her selection would not be “not undemocratic” as he claims, but in fact necessarily and by definition undemocratic.
I will agree with his observation at the end of the comment at 17:42 utc: his writing style is indeed vacuous.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 18:12 utc | 158

@ steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 17:29 utc | 155
thanks steven.. great response.. i appreciate it! as you know i think – i am a canuck, or canadian.. i don’t understand how the whole process works nearly as well as you here.. i want to emphasize ( again) , i am not singling out the democrat party as i said in the previous response – both parties are guilty of perpetuating a system which i personally think is very undemocratic and revolves around ”big money”..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 19:47 utc | 159

Party membership is supposed to have chosen its candidate in the years long primary process. And in that process the rank and file membership was supposed to have chosen its leadership, the delegates to the convention. Saying the convention delegates don’t have the power to choose a presidential candidate is equivalent to claiming elected members of a legislature can’t vote on laws without consulting the electorate in each case.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 13 2024 17:29 utc | 155
There is a small difference between party representatives (delegates) and legislative representatives. The party delegates are generally bound to a candidate. Candidates are allowed to direct their delegates to vote for some other candidate. So there is nothing new or even unusual going on with Biden instructing his delegates to vote for Harris. Its just one of the many mechanisms that guarantee that the duopoly candidates are only those approved by the power structure.
Complaining that there is fraud on election day is just a smokescreen to hide the fact that voters are not really being given a choice on election day.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 13 2024 20:04 utc | 160

is there a remote possibility kamala harris won’t be the presidential candidate for the dems?? serious question..i know it looks like the answer is no.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 20:30 utc | 161

@Posted by: Cynic | Aug 13 2024 17:22 utc | 154
Totally in agreement, Starmer is full on for war in Ukraine, more money for the military, austerity for the poor (his Chancellor of the Exchequer already put in place the excuses of this while she was cutting old people’s heating allowances) while the rich feed on the state (his Health Minister is a representative of the private health care industry), continued mass immigration etc. He will be utterly hated by the British people at the end of his term and loved by the British establishment, an increasingly authoritarian state will be needed to keep the population in their place.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 13 2024 21:10 utc | 162

is there a remote possibility kamala harris won’t be the presidential candidate for the dems?? serious question..i know it looks like the answer is no.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 20:30 utc | 161
_____
As long as she continues to remain conscious, she’s the candidate.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 21:12 utc | 163

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:16 utc | 152
The US guns are also starting to be trained on India, as it continues to refuse to ally with the US against China and Russia. The US has already gone to town with the neighbourhood, the overthrow of Imran Kahn in Pakistan, the successful regime change in previously China-aligned Bangladesh (which would not allow a US naval base), the ongoing regime change war in Myanmar and the failed operation in Thailand. As long as India does not comply the US will escalate, as the US Ambassador to India recently threatened. Could we end up with a US-engineered separatist Christian/Muslim movement in the far-eastern districts of India bordering Myanmar and Bangladesh or even a war between Bangladesh and India? I would not put anything past the US.
I cover this in a recent piece The Start of a US Undeclared War on India? You Are Either With (the)US Or Against(the)US: No Balancing Is Allowed

Posted by: Roger | Aug 13 2024 21:19 utc | 164

@ malenkov | Aug 13 2024 21:12 utc | 163
thanks malenkov…

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 23:37 utc | 165

Below is a short Xinhuanet posting showing China military activity

BEIJING, Aug. 14 (Xinhua) — China and Thailand will hold a joint air force exercise named “Falcon Strike-2024” this month, according to an announcement by the Chinese Ministry of National Defense on Wednesday.
The exercise is arranged according to the annual cooperation plan between the two militaries, the ministry said.
It will take place at a Thai air force base, and China will send multiple types of aircraft and special forces to participate in the exercise, the ministry said, adding that the goal of this joint exercise is to enhance the combat skills of relevant forces and deepen the practical exchanges and cooperation between the two militaries.

What will this exercise tell us about the China military? It maybe more tells us about the current China/Thailand relationship in our growing multipolar world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 14 2024 4:51 utc | 166

J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk are named in a lawsuit for “aggravated cyberbullying” against Algerian boxer Imane Khelif.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-elon-musk-imane-khelif-lawsuit-1236105185/
🇩🇿Imane Khelif responds to Donald Trump and Elon Musk:
“I saw that big personalities like Donald Trump had compared me to a man and it hurt me extremely.
I didn’t understand this relentlessness and all this hatred. I was afraid but I got up again.”
shorty video interview with Imane
https://xcancel.com/SuppressedNws/status/1823509556393075030#m

Posted by: Fred | Aug 14 2024 7:30 utc | 167

Russia claims air defenses down four tactical missiles, 117 drones, overnight:

37 UAVs and four tactical missiles were shot down over the Kursk Region, another 37 drones were downed over the Voronezh Region, 17 UAVs over the Belgorod Region, 11 over the Nizhny Novgorod Region, nine over the Volgograd Region, three over the Bryansk Region, two over the Oryol Region and one over the Rostov Region, the ministry [of Defence] specified. tass

The total numbers are impressive:

MOSCOW, August 12. /TASS/. More than 40,000 enemy air targets were destroyed by air defense systems during the special operation. This was reported to TASS by the General Director of the Almaz-Antey Air and Space Defense Concern, Yan Novikov. “Thanks to the coordinated work of the Russian Defense Ministry and the concern, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, more than 40,000 enemy air targets were destroyed during the special operation,” he said. (tass, translation by martyanov)

From the Yemen-Saudi Arabia conflict:

US-Made Missile Defenses Spectacularly Failed in Saudi Arabia
“It’s nothing but an unbroken trail of disasters with this weapon system,” Theodore Postol, an MIT physicist and prominent critic of US missile defenses, told me. vice

Perhaps the Iran-Israel conflict will allow us to better compare Russian and Western air-defence capabilities. Still, if we wish to compare USA and Russia, the question remains: how would US air defences fare in a similar situation? Perhaps drug smuggling across the US southern border provides a hint:

How Many Drones Are Smuggling Drugs Across the U.S. Southern Border?
Answer: Nobody knows. smithsonian

Similarly, it would be interesting to compare US interdiction rates of naval drugs smuggling drones with Russian interdiction rates of naval drones attacking Crimea.

At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in February, Admiral Kurt Tidd, commander of U.S. Southern Command, estimated that the U.S. intercepts only 25 percent of the drug subs coming to the U.S. – a number that has not improved in years. … That’s frustrating.” popular mechanics

So I’d like to ask: does anyone have numbers for US interdiction rates of air and naval drones smuggling drugs across the US border? If these drones were carrying explosives instead of cocaine – a simple matter of paying the right people – what would things look like?

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 14 2024 9:17 utc | 168

The ziofascists millennia dream fairytale pyramid castle is for sure collapsing daily faster – the cracks are spreading through its supporting pillars. Only a mass murder in the Levant and a mass sacrifice in the Ukraine is keeping their dream afloat.
As the dynasties attempt to shape shift into fake Multipolarists – the usual new mask to hide behind and grow influence and power over generations- to Rule The World.
The Western Garden drones (us ordinary folk) are further brainwashed into accepting our purdah from the multipolar majority of humanity – we are told it is a ‘Jungle out there’ diseased, violent, un-civilised….. Moslem! Religious! Patriarchal! Unwoke!! Keeping children’s sexuality secrosanct!!!
They are Rejecting of the pseudo neo religions stretching forth from Holy Rome to Capitalism’s , Magic Money …. to Marx, to Marx Bros, to Marks and Spencer’s, the retail experiences of the modern world.
The current wizards, ziofascist boy and girl wonders – they who are tasked to lock us in a to ‘chastity belts’ of submission or cancellation, through their Silicon Valley emporiums of dreams.
Hey kooky Kamala hasn’t given a single unscripted interview and King Elon is now suddenly a ‘journalist’ interviewing the ex and future potus ! Will the ziomiracles ever cease??
How do dreams end? Very very SUDDENLY!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 14 2024 12:42 utc | 169

This conversation by Pepe Rodriguez at Dialogue Works concerns wide ranging international events. In particular, that Russia has placed the Kursk situation under their antiterrorism team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4fHaQbhEsc

Posted by: juliania | Aug 15 2024 0:23 utc | 170

As long as she continues to remain conscious, she’s the candidate.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 21:12 utc | 163
That’s exactly right. And she might legitimately win for the following reasons:
#1) she isn’t Trump. At least 50% of the US population has been programmed to hate Trump no matter what. And Trump is flawed despite his own cheerleading squad.
2) with the help of the entire MSM media, she can easily be any ethnic or racial identity at any time of her choosing when it is most politically beneficial (Black, east Indian, native Caribbean American, even white if she so chooses).
3) she is a woman, and that alone is a major identity factor that gets automatic votes. That factor didn’t at all work with Sarah Palin, but it works with Harris because she is on the right team for that and mouths the correct words

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 15 2024 0:41 utc | 171

https://besharamagazine.org/science-technology/dean-radin-mind-and-matter-entagled/
Mind and Matter Entangled
Dr Dean Radin talks about a lifetime of experimental work on the intersection of physics and consciousness

…So the consciousness collapse interpretation of quantum mechanics is all about the idea that, as von Neumann, again, explicitly said, the thing that takes quantum potentials and turns them into classical actuals is the act of a conscious observer – a human being, or perhaps any living system – observing a quantum state.”
In our research for this interview, we have found that this is no longer the majority position within quantum mechanics. The contemporary line is that it does not matter whether the observer is a conscious human being; it can just be an instrument. Dean accepts this: “Consciousness collapse theory is just one of probably a dozen or more different current interpretations. But from recent surveys, it is nevertheless the case that approximately 20% of physicists and philosophers who are interested in the foundations of quantum mechanics say there’s something important about consciousness. This is a minority, true, but it is a large minority.” He sees his work as providing empirical data that will help to inform how to best interpret quantum mechanics.
Does this mean that the main point of his work is a philosophical one? “Absolutely. The implication that consciousness is doing something in the physical world would be revolutionary from a mainstream perspective. The prevailing philosophy in the world today is reductive materialism, which is based on a set of assumptions that do not account for subjective experience very well. And if you start from the wrong philosophy, then you end up with the opinion that things like mind–body interactions are impossible. The problem is that scientists don’t usually think about their assumptions, or they even believe that they don’t have any – that they are just dealing with facts.”
He goes on: “Those of us who are involved in spiritual traditions already assume, or at least suspect, that consciousness is fundamental in some way, but we need to demonstrate this in a way that will appeal to scientists. That’s the aim. The hope is that what we are doing will not just be of interest to the general public – who are always interested in these topics – but to the scientific world, so that we can change the taboo that prevents these ideas from even being discussed within the mainstream.” …

The article goes into a lot more at length. Generally, these endeavours are hampered by the prejudices of our times which grossly favour materialist perspectives on just about everything, including how even very basic experiential fundamentals like awareness or consciousness are viewed and defined.
For example, from the POV of my experience-based contemplative traditions, it is glaringly obvious to me that three dimensional space is a function of consciousness. Without consciousness there is no three dimensional space which means differences between one thing and another, near and far, up and down, small and large, the space between a tree, a bush, a pebble, a chair, a person, a bird, an insect buzzing by. That space in which all such particularities arise and manifest is a function of consciousness-awareness. Our difficulty lies in being unable to think of the latter as anything other than our own personal consciousness-awareness which we identify as being somehow attached to our body and its relative location and perspective. This is a very real and persuasive experience, to be sure, but also gives us an overly parochial understanding of what consciousness-awareness is and how it functions. Suffice to say that when two individuals are sitting together in a garden with several animals, birds, insects and plants, all are participating in the same overall three dimensional space-time field in which their relative experiences unfold. So consciousness awareness can be said to be both a wave (an overall field) and a particle (something experienced by particular entities).
For some reason scientists cannot see this is extremely simple and obvious phenomenon as a scientific phenomenon. Because they have imagined a separated, non-living third party ‘objective’ universe that exists absent consciousness-awareness. There is no evidence for this – there can never be – and yet as an abstract concept it is so self-contained and satisfying that modern people, both East and West, are unable to let go of it.
Maybe War will help….

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 15 2024 1:34 utc | 172

Noting current tally is 998 posts on the Ukraine thread.
I was reading them but mostly a discussion about trolls and trolling ongoing.
We’ll get some info along the way.

Posted by: jonku | Aug 15 2024 2:34 utc | 173

Noting current tally is 998 posts on the Ukraine thread.
I was reading them but mostly a discussion about trolls and trolling ongoing.
We’ll get some info along the way.

Posted by: jonku | Aug 15 2024 2:34 utc | 174

@Roger | Tue, 13 Aug 2024 13:08:00 GMT | 144
Brilliant commentary.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 15 2024 10:21 utc | 175

@Scorpion | Thu, 15 Aug 2024 01:34:00 GMT | 172
Interesting quote by Dean Radin, right up my alley. He catches the complex situation nicely, and his pragmatic approach is quite sensible and useful.
My own thought has developed from the “Husserlian revolution” which flips and replaces the oldtime dualist view of an independent outside world – losely analogous to Copernicus who put our planet off its place in the middle of everything, to orbit around the sun.
There are strong hints that Husserls revolution is, in fact, a rediscovery of earlier philosophy that went lost and forgotten when the Academy in Athens shut down for the middle ages, but this requires the contrarian reading of Aristotle which Erwin Sonderegger provides; I linked the text yet again because it is so important.
Husserl gained his insights through meticulous reflection of the problem of object constitution, i.e. “why is this a table?” when facing a table. The question is deceptively simple at first sight, but not without reason a time-tested discussion-starter on gatherings of young students of philosophy. – I would like to some day make a number of key fobs with tiny “tables” to hand out at some point … [you may want to reflect on this for a while].
He arrives at realizing that there is no way can we assume simple objects (like a kitchen table) as “out there” independently. Unless we check up on them, it remains logically an assumption that they are still there when we return home. For many human endeavours this assumption is good enough, but it fails completely at the micro level of quantum mechanics.
Husserl re-states the foundation of an object as an object. First, it’s clear from this view that it doesn’t make much sense to speculate on objects which are beyond our experience. Note that my kitchen table, as a kitchen table, can still be expected to remain stable while we’re discussing things here at the bar on the Moon of Alabama.
Basically the “kitchen table” is a notion which relates in ways to experience, past present and future. When I prepare a meal on it, the “originally self-given experience” (Husserl: originär selbstgegeben) that the table is present supports my conceived notion of its ability to be stable; yet my notion still remains an intentional act of awareness. The other side of this experience in the “here and now” of our awareness field, which we use to call the kitchen table, is thereby fused into the conscious act of realizing/imagining the presence of a table which first gave me the awareness of the “object”. Both can’t be separated; Husserl calls them Noesis and Noema, with nous being the ability to have experience of things, and noema the concretion of things in my current “here and now” experience of the thing in focus.
Now there’s a complicated argument as to the ontological status of unknown (unseen, unrealized) things. I won’t try to go through it here, but I posit the very same thing is happening in the QM riddle.
I believe it is, at the very foundation, a problem of metaphysics. Dualist tradition with the baseless (as per the above) assumption of “substance” -as in the metaphysics of substance – gets it wrong with the very beginning, just as Radin also says in his quote. He’s more diplomatic than me, so leaves various options open to explore, but indeed everything just falls in place neatly if approached that way. This includes now suddenly possible angles of understanding para-phenomena of consciousness, once you’re done with seeking their truth validation in measurement data of technical contraptions before willing to affirm their reality. Their true place of existence, and hence their experiencing them, is consciousness itself. The machines are not giving the full picture. And since the mechanistic view of the universe is built on that foundation, it is effectively a metaphysics itself in all but name, even if many will deny it (which only exposes their perspective as constrained).
It is the old paradigm, and we are in the midst of a change.
Interestingly, the whole issue has profound implications on theory of ethics, too. The shared interest view, which emphasizes respect and cooperation, suddenly becomes a most natural choice. Again there is an argument, but I’ll save it for another day at the bar.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 15 2024 12:00 utc | 176

@persiflo:
I’ll go a little further with your table, if you don’t mind….
You mention the thought experiment problem of what happens to the table when you walk out of the room. This is similar to the question about whether or not a tree makes a noise falling in the forest if there is nobody there to hear it. Such things are interesting mental puzzles, perhaps, but there are other angles to consider which I personally find more interesting, and also appeal to common sense.
About which an article about Cayce some barfly linked yesterday: “Aristotle even goes as far as to say that common sense is where consciousness originates. So if a society is lacking in common sense, and there’s little to no conscience, morality, empathy, consciousness, creativity, taste, discernment or love, how does one propose to govern such a population?”
Back to the table:
Analysis of its constituent parts: a table has a surface and legs on which such a surface is stably mounted. (Hmmm Is it a coincidence that the words stable and table are so close?) At what point does the leg stop being a leg and start being the surface? At the very tippy top of the table surface or one inch beneath or where? We could use carpentry to define such divisions by looking at which pieces of wood do what in the structure. But functionally speaking, hard to say where in the table the leg weight-bearing and stability function ends and the surface on which objects are placed function begins.
We can do this sort of analysis with any object, be it the human body or an automobile: with the latter it has many parts. Take the muffler away. Is it still a car? Ok, now take the door handles off. Is it still a car? Remove the engine. Is it still a car? Remove the steering wheel? Etc.
The notion of car or table is a notion. It has no inherent physics-only existence as such. You can analyze wood fiber or machine parts but neither will give you either a table or a car.
Moreover, in both cases the function of a table or a car comes from the Designer/Creator principle, similar to its Logos. Where does that design come from? It does not come from the constituent parts of the table or car alone. So there is a mind aspect.
What about natural ‘objects’ like trees and flowers? They too evidence this Logos or Design aspect albeit we might find it harder to describe or define compared to man-made things like tables and cars. But clearly there is some sort of overall design or thrust or character which some call a seed syllable principle. https://baronbrasdor.art/2021/11/30/article-49-seed-syllables/
A related line of enquiry examines Wholes versus Parts. To simplify, the Whole again is a function of Mind. The constituent parts do not make a whole in and of themselves and yet without that Whole, there is no table, there is no car, neither would come to be in the first place. Some regard this as proof that Idea is first and physical manifestation second. First you imagine the house and its dimensions and then you build it, not the other way around.
These common sense examinations challenge the notion that there is such a thing as a table without a mind to have made it for its various purposes. If we examine nature closely, although we need a more subtle, flexible and perceptive approach, we can see this sort of Order reflected back in Nature again and again. Indeed, it is never absent.
Some call this God.
[Well, way over my voluntary limit but am an invalid right now so have suspended that intention!]

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 15 2024 17:10 utc | 177

@Scorpion – I can only agree with you here.
The ‘wholeness’ experience of any a thing (which is in itself a partial to the world, such as the kitchen and the table there), is the constitution of the object. We may doubt it later, and sometimes realize our senses had been misled, but the unity of things in awareness is the actual wonder. It just is. Aristotle calls it nous, still the best term I think. Mani has a similar concept, for him it is the essential God quality. These views are strikingly relevant today.
Nous is indeed One. It is aware of itself by its own virtue, making experience of experience. The beings who experience are like drops in an ocean; both at one with it and somehow lumped into singulars. Connected through wires of light, called the lihme, forming a whole that can’t be cleanly separated – how would you do that if telepathy is real? Slime mould is a most amazing creature if you want to look at this phenomenon more closely. Surely’s the docu stuff on youtube etc. it should be quite worthwhile.
As a lemma, I do not endorse the term ‘individual’ for a human being – it is misleading, and in a bad way reminsicent of divide et impera yet again.
One more point on nous: it is also this single quality that gives different qualities of awareness, only always in higher and new forms of the same basic thing. Qualia and memory are two fields to ponder this thought; regard different beings such as people (and colourblind folks), animals, plants, rocks and minerals, aliens, spirits, … all expressing themselves, and probably sharing a sense of seperateness in absence of God, as if we all yearn to reunify with It.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 15 2024 18:00 utc | 178

malenkov@158 endorses the definition of “democratic” that says the only democratic Democratic candidate is…blank, because it’s not possible to choose one democratically. Or possibly malenkov thinks it’s undemocratic for any candidate to drop out of a race after nomination. Either way, what malenkov says is stupid. And either version is wrong since they apply if Biden had simply dropped dead from forgetting how to breathe! So-called ideas like this are vacuous.
Actually all it boils down to is, Trump was ahead in the polls against Biden and malenkov is grievously offended his God Trump isn’t in the easy race any more. Instead, now after ordering the MSM to scream Biden is old and senile, now they are going to scream old and senile at malenkov’s elective divinity Trump. How sad. I say, Trump of all people shouldn’t have used that two-edged sword.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 15 2024 18:19 utc | 179

Karlofi posted an article three days ago at his substack which is tangential, or perhaps synchronous (it has happened before) with our philosophizzeling just above.
Barflies may be interested in my comment there, where I narrate a major public dispute and turning point of post-war Germany known as the Positivismus-Streit between the Frankfurter Schule and conservative opposition led by Arnold Gehlen. The argument revolved around conceptions of a ‘whole’ of society, and it was eventually won by the Frankfurter using undue means in conjunction with the media. As a result, Germany was critically weakened in the pillars of its culture and tradition.
Karlof1’s article narrates the latest Crooks writings, which bring up the concept of ‘totality’ (under a different name) anew in a political conflict, this time in the US. Debate over there is lively, too.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 15 2024 20:01 utc | 180

New Zealand’s Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has vowed to press Anthony Albanese over Australia’s criminal deportations policy when the two leaders sit down for official talks later today in Canberra.
Successive governments in Wellington have complained bitterly about the federal government deporting criminals with New Zealand citizenship across the ditch, even when those kicked out of the country have spent most or all of their lives in Australia.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-16/nz-prime-minister-luxon-criminal-deportations-canberra-meeting/104229660

In other news, NZ has just agreed to the US extradition of Kim Dotcom to the US.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 1:06 utc | 181

Trump, the great white hope of hope and change on the evils of commies. Short bit of video at the link.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1824188422292115595

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 5:56 utc | 182

One of the years I went to the Fink desert race, I think it was a 50 year type thing, all the veteren winners came in to do a ride on the prolog track track.
The early races were shotgun starts. The riders would have the bikes parked at the edge of the track, and on the gunshot would race to their bikes, start them up and take off.
Toby Price was something else again. I would watch him come through our fuel stop a long way ahead of the next front runners and he was just sitting on that bike like he was cruising down a bitumen road.
But back the the 50 year thing, he had broken his foot a couple days before, a stick had come up and broke a few bones.
He started hobbling to his bike before the gun went of and was ordered back to the line. When the gun went off, the rest were started up and gone while Toby ws still hobbling to his bike.
It was just one circuit, so before the finish line, Toby pulled up and waited awhile for the older veterans to catch up and they rode together across the finish line. Even with a broken foot that boy could ride. Easily won the Fink that year.
My mate talked to him for a bit at Alice and he was just a very ordinary bloke to talk to.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 6:12 utc | 183

A lot of typos in my 183. It was also a rely, some thoughts that came up with juliania’s post on swimming somewhere back up in this thread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 6:16 utc | 184

I visited the Tass link in b’s Links and Blogroll page earlier today. There’s an August 15 story about Russia having successfully inserted a supply ship into orbit. It’s expected to dock with the ISS on August 17.
Currently, 2 Yankee astronauts are stranded there for many months unless Elon Musk can pull a rabbit out of his SpaceEx hat.
It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes the (((Western Media))) version of the ‘News’ we reiceve in Oz, to catch up with this snippet of ‘Russian’ news. It’s hard to believe that Russia would launch an ISS rendezvous without informing NASA.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 16 2024 7:16 utc | 185

I had thought the Soviet KV with the six inch gun was the largest tank gun. As far as I can make out, it was the largest used in a war. Quite a story on just one of these tanks. It sat in a crossroad on its own and halted the German advance in that sector for a number of days. A couple of 88s were wheeled up but as they were setting up, the KV blew them away. Sappers got it eventually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s-OeOXhyd4
The brits made one with a 183 mm naval gun. Not sure what that is in inches, a bit over 7 inch though I’m as far as I know, it was never actually used in battle. Video of one being restored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4QrvpeCqfM

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 16 2024 8:29 utc | 186

@Peter on sports in Oz –
I saw video of a show fight, a bit of a logging horns-like dance, between a guy on foot and another one in a friggin helicopter … he flew it in circles around, dipped forward as if attacking, and pulled back, all in the space of a few meters, in fluid movements as if it was natural. The whole thing took place in a crowded arena, an open air venue of no large size, nor was it flat – it had fairly steep ranks stacked full of people all around the stage in the middle.
15 years later I am still bewildered. At least now I know some things about Oz – apparently it’s just typical aussie pastime behaviour, none out of the ordinary really. Someone speculated on youtube that the pilot got some issues with law enforcement in his later years for that, but it sounded more like a rumour.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 16 2024 10:07 utc | 187