“The Houthis have defeated the US Navy”

August 24, 2024

Tom Sharpe writes naval related opinion columns for The Telegraph.

How it started:

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The Houthis have become a dangerous rogue nation. The US Navy could crush them – Nov 10 2023
Marines, SEALs and hundreds of thousands of tons of haze gray steel are in the Red Sea

How it was going:

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The Battle of the Red Sea is intensifying and the US Navy is in the thick of it – Dec 4 2023
How long can the Houthis keep attacking shipping before something is done about them?

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Britain must back up the US in the Red Sea Dec 31 2023
Deploying the HMS Queen Elizabeth would aid the overstretched US Navy

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Britain literally can’t send a carrier ‘to replace’ America’s in the Red Sea – Feb 1 2024
HMS Queen Elizabeth is on standby. The Houthi threat is real – it's time to let go of our peacetime mindset

How it started:

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It’s quiet in the Red Sea. Too quiet – Feb 9 2024
The Houthis will presently have missiles again if they don’t already

How it went:

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In harm’s way and on the defensive: US and UK warships in the Red Sea can fight but cannot win – April 27 2024
The only nation that could end this by hard power has decided not to

How it started:

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Do we really need a Navy any more? – Aug 6 2024
You can learn any lesson you want to learn from the collapse of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet

How it's going:

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The Houthis have defeated the US Navy – Aug 24 2024
But the EU and France haven’t given up. They’re still fighting for freedom

Posted by b on August 24, 2024 at 14:28 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Please don’t misunderstand me. Israel and the US are absolutely full of shit and flooding the information zone with lies and half-truths.
What I’m saying is that there isn’t substantial proof at the present time that Iran alone is capable of repelling a joint Israeli-US-UK-Saudi air force attack on its homeland.
Their gambit is reprisal. I also understand that I’m operating in an intentionally limited and censored information space, inclusive of what Yandex turns up. Still, if Syria and Russia had ever shot down a manned Israeli air force jet made by the US or EU country, we’d probably still have heard about it, right? Same in Iran.
There are many unknowns. My ONLY point is that Iran and the axis of resistance have yet to demonstrate an ability – including a repeatable ability – to shoot down attacks in their own airspace. The Israeli-infected west even got the Iranians to accidentally shoot down a passenger airliner not long ago.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 7:02 utc | 201

@Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 6:28 utc | 195
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The question now is: How long will it take to make such applications available for efficient realtime use in freely moving people.
Are we almost there now already?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 25 2024 7:11 utc | 202

Is this even remotely “controversial” to state?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 5:41 utc | 184
Indeed, if you do follow up your Yandex search, all you find is a load of junk from dubious sources, and that’s even without Israeli deliberate false claims.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2024 6:41 utc | 198
I am going to agree with lagurre on this one, Tom. Prior to Dec 2011, it’s very likely Iran’s airspace have been porous.
Unlikely Israeli airplanes were involved, but US planes could have been piloted by Israeli or dual citizens. In any case, all intel collected by the US would have been shared or stolen by the Israelis. Remember Netanyahu had been crying wolf about Iran’s Nuke since 1992. If Israel could have violated Iranian airspace back then, it would have.
The Iranian decision to act on 5th Dec 2011 and commandeered an RQ 170 put an end to that. Another attempt on June the 20th 2019 resulted in a shootdown of the RQ 4A.
It’s quite revealing when the US decides to “retire” some aircrafts. Russia shot down the U2, Russian Foxbat radar locked on an SR71 and the Serbs down an F117 and clipped a second.
Ornot asked earlier who’s to blame for the environmental disaster about to unfold in the Red Sea. The US is. By falsely promising “protection”, thus encouraging greedy shipowners run the gauntlet.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 25 2024 7:23 utc | 203

Posted by: watcher | Aug 24 2024 22:50 utc | 133

I was once in an organisation that was spied upon by members of the 5 eyes military. It was a really small time player and one would have thought total time wasting to send in any one, but they did.

From a British perspective, the amount of time and money the UK police spent infiltrating small, left-wing, mainly environmental, organisations was absurd, but they did. They even spied on the family of the murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence.
They also seem to send more than one spy, to spy on each other! Presumably to stop the spies, who spend most of their time with decent, honourable people trying to make the world a better place, going “native”.
Spycops
Obviously these days they can use much more electronic intelligence and don’t need so many agents.
Also: I agree with Tom_Q_Collins and others: this is MoA, not twitter and other feeble sites, and you are expected on here to support your contentions with evidence. We have higher standards than most media.
Thanks to all the posters who do substantiate their arguments.

Posted by: JulianJ | Aug 25 2024 7:26 utc | 204

Re: Serbs down an F117 and clipped a second.
Word is that of the ~24 F117s engaged , around 12 additional were hit by various Anti-Air defenses. I vaguely recall that 6 needed to be “remanufactured”.
Note also a bridge in the South was attacked by NATO’s best 36 times, on the 37th try, a smart bomb finally hit the bridge BLAM ! Only promblem the “Bridge “ turned out to be a decoy, the real bridge was a few hundred meters away carefully masked.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 25 2024 7:38 utc | 205

There are many unknowns. My ONLY point is that Iran and the axis of resistance have yet to demonstrate an ability – including a repeatable ability – to shoot down attacks in their own airspace. The Israeli-infected west even got the Iranians to accidentally shoot down a passenger airliner not long ago.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 7:02 utc | 203
Israeli airplanes strike Syria with missiles launched from over the sea or from Lebanon. No Israeli airplane flies over or close to Syrian airspace. An Israeli F16 was shot down by a Syrian S200, but I believe it was in Israeli airspace. Also, another S200 targeting an Israeli fighter ended up exploding over Cyprus.
The fact that both the US and Israel haven’t tried to launch an airstrike on Iran is prove they can’t. Hence the narratives.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 25 2024 7:38 utc | 206

Posted by: Exile | Aug 25 2024 7:38 utc | 207
Thanks, I am unaware of any the other incidences.
Speaking of spoof bridges, I understand there’s massive GPS interference ongoing in the region, so I wouldn’t place any faith in the location of any of the US naval groups.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 25 2024 7:43 utc | 207

I also added that it’s well known that Israel has breached Syrian airspace numerous times after Assad’s gov’t had supposedly implemented (or had implemented by the Russians) S400 and/or S500 AD systems.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 6:54 utc | 202
Yes you did add in Syria for some completely irrelevant reason; I couldn’t understand what Syria had to do with breaching Iranian airspace. The reason Syria doesn’t retaliate is because it knows it can’t combat a massive Israeli attack. Iran is different.
The answer is no. Israel has not shown genuine evidence of being able to attack Iran in any significant way.
“a joint Israeli-US-UK-Saudi air force attack on its homeland”
You really are a profound believer in Israeli propaganda, aren’t you. Saudi ain’t going to join in, not in a million years. You completely fail to understand them. UK would have a maximum of four aircraft. A joint Israeli/American attack is of course Netanyahu’s dream, which he has been angling for for 20 years, not a reality yet, if ever. The US would be fools to do it, against military advice. Though they may well do it in the end, such is the power of AIPAC. But the point is that it’s dream stuff for Israel, not reality – which is why it is found in disinformation and dubious news sources.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2024 7:52 utc | 208

From live feed 10am local time:
HEZBOLLAH: All attack drones were launched at the designated times and crossed the border towards their targets from multiple paths. The enemy’s claims about preemptive action and disrupting the resistance’s attack are empty claims.
Comment: Both sides have apparently announced today’s strikes have been completed.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 25 2024 7:53 utc | 209

‘Initial Response’ – Hezbollah Launches Drones, Israel Strikes Southern Lebanon
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/initial-response-hezbollah-launches-drones-israel-strikes-southern-lebanon/
Comment : early detail on today’s early morning action. Apparently the Lebanese fired 320 missiles plus drones on a target to be revealed later.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 25 2024 7:56 utc | 210

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2024 7:52 utc | 210
“Yes you did add in Syria for some completely irrelevant reason; I couldn’t understand what Syria had to do with breaching Iranian airspace.”
Do you not understand or are you pretending? Why doesn’t Syria shoot down Israeli planes that bomb them if it has the ability? There is a lot of talk about how amazing the S-400/300/500 are but they never shoot down any NATO planes, never ever… Why? Could it be that they can’t handle it, they are good against missiles but they can’t see and handle the F-35?

Posted by: Rageman | Aug 25 2024 8:26 utc | 211

As always, just looking at the headlines make me discomfort.
True “Dangerous Rogue Nation” complain about regional democracy risen.
Please die already US-UK capitalist empire.

Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 25 2024 8:36 utc | 212

“Yes you did add in Syria for some completely irrelevant reason; I couldn’t understand what Syria had to do with breaching Iranian airspace.”
Do you not understand or are you pretending? Why doesn’t Syria shoot down Israeli planes that bomb them if it has the ability? There is a lot of talk about how amazing the S-400/300/500 are but they never shoot down any NATO planes, never ever… Why? Could it be that they can’t handle it, they are good against missiles but they can’t see and handle the F-35?
Posted by: Rageman | Aug 25 2024 8:26 utc | 213
Air defense operate in bubbles, if Israeli planes attack targets outside of the bubbles then Syria realistically can’t do anything about it, moreover Syria doesn’t have enough AD to provide wide coverage of the country.
Another thing is that air defense is often less effective than their creators care to admit (this applies to all sides). For example S-400’s operational range to shoot down incoming missiles is much lower than their range to shoot down planes. Israel knows this and that’s why they never risk their planes and only fire stand off cruise missiles like from over the Mediterranean sea or from Israeli airspace itself.
To get the kind of performance you see with Russia you need to have overlapping AD bubbles concentrated enough to be be almost impenetrable, as well good intelligence and operators that can create and feed accurate targeting profiles of hostile fliers into the system. This is something even Russia is not 100% confident in, much less Syria working with more limited resources.

Posted by: Autumn | Aug 25 2024 10:08 utc | 213

Do you not understand or are you pretending? Why doesn’t Syria shoot down Israeli planes that bomb them if it has the ability?
Posted by: Rageman | Aug 25 2024 8:26 utc | 213
Are you a poor reader and have difficulty in understanding? I answered that question. It is the Syrian choice, no doubt advised from Moscow, not to respond. They’re not strong enough at the moment to fight a war against Israel.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2024 10:18 utc | 214

They’re not strong enough at the moment to fight a war against Israel.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2024 10:18 utc | 216
And by “Israel” you mean “America”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 25 2024 10:25 utc | 215

Telegram owner arrested in trumped up charges in France – its a politically motivated arrest, in a similar fashion to the arrest of a top Huawei executive – arrested in Canada a few years back.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 25 2024 10:41 utc | 216

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 6:28 utc | 195
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Posted by: Menz | Aug 25 2024 10:50 utc | 217

@28 Pyrrhus: “Blue Water navies have become obsolete…the Houthis have shown that very well..So no invasion of Iran is even possible, despite the claims of our neocon maniacs…”
No, Blue Water Navies continue to have a role… in Blue Waters.
What’s been shown up here is the insanity of sending Blue Water warships into the restrictive waters of the Red Sea.
It’s much the same in the Black Sea, though there the Russians were always smart enough to know that they needed to deploy littoral ships in that sea: corvettes and submarines. The only Blue Water warship they had in the Black Sea fleet was the Moskva, which the Ukrainians sank.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 25 2024 10:59 utc | 218

Fix the dates on the first two Sharpe quote. You cite 2024. SB 2022 surely?

Posted by: Bilejones | Aug 25 2024 11:26 utc | 219

@202 Tom_Q_Collins:
TQC: “I also added that it’s well known that Israel has breached Syrian airspace numerous times after Assad’s gov’t had supposedly implemented (or had implemented by the Russians) S400 and/or S500 AD systems.”
Define “breached Syrian airspace”.
My understanding is that the IDF flies out into the Mediterranean, comes in low over LEBANESE airspace, then pops up and fires standoff missiles while still in LEBANESE airspace, then bugs out again.
The Syrians therefore only have the option of shooting at the incoming missiles, not at any “incoming jets” because those jets never “come in”.
[BTW, I believe that the Syrians only have the S300. They do not operate the S400, much less the S500.]
TQC: “What I am saying is that to date, the Israelis have demonstrated almost unfettered ability to strike at Iran and Syria via drone and fighter jet strikes with zero shootdowns and lack of meaningful reprisals in the grand scheme of things.”
The Syrians can’t shoot down IDF jets because those jets never come close to the Syrian air defense systems.
TQC: “So who’s to say that an IAF strike on Iran is impossible or even likely unproductive – with drones and fighters from both parasite Israel and its hosts? Maybe the Israelis haven’t ever used manned aircraft, maybe they have? But drones have been used.”
Oh, sure, AN IDF airstrike is possible. Maybe even a COUPLE of IDF airstrikes is possible.
But given the distance, and given the number of fighter jets the IDF possess, then the IDF can not maintain a tempo of operations against Iran that would really make much difference.
But the targets that the Israelis would want to take out are hardened targets. Tough targets to take out at the best of times, and very, very, very unlikely to be taken out by a score of F-16, F-15 and F-35 operating at the very end of their combat radius.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 25 2024 11:54 utc | 220

The most difficult thing for anyone to do is look in the mirror and conduct an honest self-evaluation.
The Anglo-sphere has been on borrowed time since the late 19th. Century. If not for the USA, the Anglo-sphere would be long dead and forgotten. But now, the USA is also declining, and hubris prevents Americans from honestly evaluating their true position in the world, and that same hubris prevents the development and implementation of any solutions to the problem.
When you teach your youth that expressing their sexuality is of far greater import than studying mathematics and the physical sciences, your technological, industrial, and military decline is inevitable. Sadly, this decline in the USA is not reversible in the near future. Just go to any American university and take a look at the STEM faculty. They’re NOT Americans, and their loyalty to the USA is questionable.
No amount of “Monopoly Money” can cure this. Real Money, based on commodities and industrial capacity, is what is required. But then again, the Cabal wants to kill off as many “Useless Eaters” as possible, so what appears counterproductive is the actual plan of action. May God Bless You and Your Children 🙏
You will find refuge in Russia, if you love Life and Mankind.

Posted by: OldFart | Aug 25 2024 12:27 utc | 221

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 25 2024 12:31 utc | 222

Quite simply how to destroy your credibility forever. What newspapers do best.

Posted by: Ralph | Aug 25 2024 12:59 utc | 223

OK, you radar/aircraft experts. Here’s my question: given the tiny radar signature of an F-35, would it be possible to create a hybrid missile that launches into the direction of a fighter jet (manifested by old high power radar) and then corrects in mid air with IR sensors to find hot exhaust?
Or maybe multiple old radars linked by fiber that could get a probable exact target from different angles?
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 25 2024 12:31 utc | 225
Not a radar expert but these articles might help
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/invisible-aircraft-how-russian-radars-busted-the-myth-of-stealth/
https://interestingengineering.com/military/china-radar-stealth-f-22?ysclid=m09ksjmebd976868367
And generally speaking for early detection (no radar lock or precise location, km variance)
“Technically speaking, that’s almost certainly true. Fighter-size stealth aircraft are optimized to avoid detection by radars in higher-frequency bands such as the C, X, Ku and part of the S band.
Low-frequency radars with larger wavelengths aren’t really affected by the stealth features that tend to defeat higher-frequency sensors. There’s a resonant effect with low-frequency radars that can generate a significant signal return despite an aircraft’s low-observable shaping and radar-absorbing coating.”
I’m considering your question on topic because Yemen ability to counter (instead of just absorbing) attacks by US stealth bombers is a factor in the long run.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 25 2024 13:03 utc | 224

Where are we at in Gaza?
The genocide continues. The ethnic cleansing ramps up in West Bank.
Lebanon continues to spout “Resolution 1701” taking no hardline action against Israel.
Egypt actively supports Israel.
Jordan continues to open its borders for fleeing West Bank Palestinians to assist Israel in cleansing, but aide is thwarted.
As far as planes, I don’t technically know the accuracy of shoulder man-pads would have against planes, but it seems at least one way to bring planes down.
Lebanon is one of the many problems for the Palestinians. And for Syrians. Syria would have every lawful right to shoot down planes in Lebanon airspace that are Israeli jets.
It’s called self-defense. Something Israel spouts all the time.
There will be posters here that give lists of all the damage done to Israel since 10/7.
I say all of it is recoverable (material losses, economic losses) and the “reputation” they couldn’t care a less about.
All I see so far out of all this, is Palestinians dying and being ethnically cleansed daily with no interruption.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 13:06 utc | 225

I can’t decide if I enjoy Tom Sharpe’s columns or David Axe’s columns in the Telegraph better.
Both are Western propogandist hokum, both make me laugh, both allow me to reply in the discussion forum pointing out how silly they can get.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Aug 25 2024 13:07 utc | 226

No amount of “Monopoly Money” can cure this. Real Money, based on commodities and industrial capacity, is what is required.
Posted by: OldFart | Aug 25 2024 12:27 utc | 224
All problems seem to stem from greed in too many degrees.
“based on commodities and industrial capacity, is what is required.”
Yes absolutely right.
And I think the problem is how to get it.
When capitalism comes to the imperialist stage, it tries to destroy local democracies in various places by manipulating speech in order to get hold of commodities. Or gunboat diplomacy, or sanctions with starvation exports.
In the past, Chile was not allowed to stabilise the Allende government because of its copper mines; the CIA famously played a role in Pinochet’s rise.
And now that the socialist regimes in Bolivia and Venezuela are still disliked by the West because the large reserves of lithium in Bolivia and the large reserves of oil in Venezuela , those resources under hand of “leftist”.
The obvious pattern of governments disliked by the Anglo empire is those that do not release the resources of their lands to greedy private companies. And they attacks on them.
There also the problem come to industrial capacity.
The West has always thought that its labour needs could be easily met by immigrants from developing countries, which causes all kinds of social friction.
The current mainstream mathematical and economic thinking fails to take into account the moral and social stability.
This imposes a terrible compulsion to explain all industrial capacity in terms of investment cost savings.
When private sector try to save money while increasing industrial capacity, they end up with two schemes.
One is to allow a constant inflow of cheaper paid labour into their country. This leads to the immigration problem.
The other is to offshore industries where labour is expensive or unprofitable. This leads to the hollowing out of industries in developed countries.
We have always failed to take seriously issues other than saving on investment costs.
I think society and discourse have been manipulated not to do so.
The reliance on regime change in developing countries through CIA operations and sanctions to obtain commodities.
The centralisation of all discussions on industrial capacity to the issue of saving investment costs for private sector and not allowing them to consider social stability or other more alternative values.
This is hurting the world and, I think, the West itself.
When I was young, I wanted to harmonise these issues through comprehensive discussions.
I am sad to say, however, that my childish dreaming never seems to have come true.
Now the world is trying to untangle itself, but many things are being settled on the ‘battlefield’ rather than in ‘reasoned debate’.

Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 25 2024 13:25 utc | 227

All I see so far out of all this, is Palestinians dying and being ethnically cleansed daily with no interruption.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 13:06 utc | 228
Israel can no longer surf along on the dead bodies of the holocaust. Once the US empire collapses, so to will the Zionist state. US with its Christian zionist cult will go nuclear if another power steps in to halt the genocide.
So it is a matter of taking down the empire in other ways. The Houthi’s shutting down the red sea to western shipping is a big part of.
Russia in Ukraine and the axis of resistance in the middle east all play a big in destroying what is now the myth of US military power.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 13:45 utc | 228

@ Newbie | Aug 25 2024 13:03 utc | 227
re: . . . corrects in mid air with IR sensors to find hot exhaust
The F-35 mistake-jet has the largest & hottest engine ever put into a fighter jet. Its flights against an equipped enemy might be allowed coming in, but not on departing. It’d be a one-way assault.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2024 14:07 utc | 229

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 25 2024 11:54 utc | 223
IDF aircraft fly over the Mediterranean or Lebanon to fire into Syria. They also fly over Jordan to fire into Syria. And they fly over Jordan then into Syria to fire into Syria. Once they flew along the Turkish / Syrian border to enter into Syria.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 25 2024 14:29 utc | 230

@Autumn | Aug 25 2024 10:08 utc | 215
Why doesn’t Syria shoot down Israeli planes that bomb them
Because Israeli planes fire from Lebanon airspace.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2024 14:32 utc | 231

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 25 2024 13:03 utc | 227
How big is the ‘box’ that the Low-frequency radars can locate something like the F-35 in as x or y range? Such a missile would need to be fired into that ‘box’ and be close enough for it IR director to locate the F-35. This might depend on the angle the F-35 is seen at as the IR signature is better seen from some angles?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 25 2024 14:35 utc | 232

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2024 14:32 utc | 234 “Because Israeli planes fire from Lebanon airspace.”
Syria has fired at Israeli aircraft over Lebanon and elsewhere. But when they do Israeli has then attached the air defense sites that fired at them.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 25 2024 14:41 utc | 233

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2024 10:18 utc | 215
” I answered that question. It is the Syrian choice, no doubt advised from Moscow, not to respond. They’re not strong enough at the moment to fight a war against Israel.”
You must be joking? So you mean they don’t dare to respond to an aggressor because they can’t win a war against them? So it is better to not do nothing than at least try to hurt the aggressor? They would of course shoot down all Israeli planes attacking them if they could, but they obviously can’t.

Posted by: Rageman | Aug 25 2024 17:28 utc | 234

But the targets that the Israelis would want to take out are hardened targets. Tough targets to take out at the best of times, and very, very, very unlikely to be taken out by a score of F-16, F-15 and F-35 operating at the very end of their combat radius.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Aug 25 2024 11:54 utc | 222
This is probably the best point in the overall discussion. Israel’s fighter jets do not have the necessary range without mid-flight refueling in one of its neighbor’s airspace, which allegedly the US and Italy helped them out with during the joint operation to defend against Iran’s first missile and drone salvo back in April (or was it May?) – Also if anyone still believes Pepe Escobar’s yarn about the F-35 carrying an EMP, shot down by Russia. It would have needed refueling.
One thing I do not know, and don’t really have time to research right now, is if IAF has long range strategic bombers like B52s (easy to shoot down) or B1Bs or the newer stealth aircraft like the B2 and so on. I would guess they have a couple, but who knows. At high enough altitude from a strat bomber, they could probably drop bombs on Iran. If that’s how modern warfare is even waged anymore, except of course against “3rd world” countries without modern air defense.
Regardless, the entire conversation took off from the notion that the Israelis will likely target Iranian civilian centers – whether with missiles or planes or drones – at the stage of a war in which some foolish country like the US tried to put “boots on the ground” and invade/occupy Iran. Which of course they will not.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 21:03 utc | 235

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 21:09 utc | 236

Re: Syria and Israeli airstrikes – I’m pretty sure the Israelis have conducted missions inside of Syrian airspace using F35s and I know that at least one F16 was shot down ca. 2018. Which says that the IAF is in fact flying into Syrian airspace to launch attacks. Or was somewhat recently.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 25 2024 21:09 utc | 238
Generally, they come in from the West over the Mediterranean-Lebanon, over the Golan, or once in a while in through Jordan and al-Tanf to get close enough to targets in central Syria. They used to hide behind civilian planes coming in from the West, but I don’t remember them doing that for the last few years.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 25 2024 21:25 utc | 237

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