Posted by: let's get bizzay | Aug 24 2024 14:34 utc

Now, now, they are the crude and vulgar wing of the war party in UK. Guardian is even more vicious in it's Russophobia, IMO, since they always propagandise against Russia in a roundabout way that is palatable to the well educated Oxbridge(-loke) morons.

Posted by: Boo | Aug 24 2024 14:46 utc | 1

And testing the limits of a B2 Bomber refueling in Diego Garcia.
The Mob Bosses running the District of Columbia must truly believe that they and their families will come out of their bunkers, along with the World's Billionaires, and expect to be congratulated by the Nuclear survivors, calling out "Best Wishes."
Every bunker built is known by the builders, every instigator of this Crime against humanity, will have a bounty, "Dead or Alive".
And every "End-of-Earther" will get their wish. Death. And no bugle will blare, no gaggle of Angels with thank them for killing themselves, the Universe will stare coldly at this inevitable event where old scribes wrote compelling, yet invented lines to keep their tribes from thinking.
For as we all know, thinking can be dangerous.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 24 2024 14:46 utc | 2

@b - typo on the year attributed to the first two links - cheers

Posted by: b real | Aug 24 2024 14:48 utc | 3

10 Nov 2024, 4 Dec 2024 ?! Your first two quotes have the wrong year, b.
yours finically,
Ново З

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 24 2024 14:51 utc | 4

Sharpe is not very sharp. Like most of today's bought and paid for journalist, he simply follows orders and tries to make the best of a shit, sad, sorry state of presumed reality.

Justin Case there are posters...and lurkers...here on MoA who are not aware of the underlying reality of the Ansar Allah (aka Houthies) reason for targeting those ships; that half-starved (literally) nation has the stones to support the Palestine resistance to the Evil Ones.

Reason is simple enough: Once the Izzies cease and desist in their genocide of the Palestinian native people, most of them literal descendants of the ancient Hebrews; that termination of genocidal policies and actions would be met by the Yemeni resistance who would immediately cease their actions against shipping (and naval forces) which are supporting and supplying the Zionist Entity.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 24 2024 14:51 utc | 5

I read that the Oil Tanker M/T Sounion, which the Houthis set on fire, was a known dark fleet tanker also carrying Russian crude oil from time to time. That attack makes little sense then.

Posted by: hans23 | Aug 24 2024 14:52 utc | 6

This is classic. Ive printed it out and pasted it to my wall.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 14:54 utc | 7

Isn't it true that the Houthis only harass shipping headed to Israel? Everybody else gets through without any problem, Right?

Also the vertical launch tubes in the military ships can only be reloaded in port, Right? So there are only so many times a military ship can fire before it leaves the theatre.

The Houthis could keep this up forever. Right?

Posted by: count-rumford | Aug 24 2024 14:54 utc | 8

I read that the Oil Tanker M/T Sounion, which the Houthis set on fire, was a known dark fleet tanker also carrying Russian crude oil from time to time. That attack makes little sense then.
Posted by: hans23 | Aug 24 2024 14:52 utc | 6

Where'd you read that, Hans?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 24 2024 14:56 utc | 9

>Where'd you read that, Hans?

https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1ezme7i/houthi_striking_mt_sounion_earlier_today/

the owner, delta tankers, was added by ukraine to its list of "sponsors of war":

https://nazk.gov.ua/en/news/the-status-of-five-greek-shipping-companies-was-restored-in-the-list-of-war-sponsors/#:%7E:text=Therefore%2C%20the%20NACP%20restored%20their,Minerva%20Marine%3B%20TMC%20Tankers%20LTD

Posted by: hans23 | Aug 24 2024 14:59 utc | 10

. That attack makes little sense then.
Posted by: hans23 | Aug 24 2024 14:52 utc | 6

It doesn't matter who it belongs to.

The ship chose to ignore Ansarallah's orders to identify itself and perhaps the ship was recorded as travelling to Israhell.

Russian or not (It's a Greek tanker - not likely it was carrying Russian oil at the time), it breaks the rules, it goes to the bottom.

The Fremen of Yemen aren't serving anyone but their ideals and the Palestinian people.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 15:02 utc | 11

Mr. Sharpe has a very punchable face.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2024 15:02 utc | 12

Posted by: count-rumford | Aug 24 2024 14:54 utc | 8

>Isn't it true that the Houthis only harass shipping headed to Israel? Everybody else gets through without any problem, Right?

Yes.
Yes.

> The Houthis could keep this up forever. Right?

As long as the missile supplies keep coming, yes.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 15:05 utc | 13

The Empire has many fires burning that may require their full support. Its tough for their media specialists to grasp that they cannot be everwhere at the same time. Which brushfire will turn into a full scale blow out first is anyones guess at this point.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 24 2024 15:08 utc | 14

Awesome post B. Well done 🍺. Enjoy your weekend and get some rest!

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 15:08 utc | 15

Not saying anything until the Mail opines on the situation!

Posted by: jpc | Aug 24 2024 15:08 utc | 16

US military sealift command (MSC) has no crews for several of the US' "logistics" ships, a US Navy war in the Red Sea is impossible!

Possibly impossible west of Guam.

Ships need oil, bread/bean, various bullets and spare parts!

Will Lincoln go any closer than Gulf of Oman?

Posted by: paddy | Aug 24 2024 15:09 utc | 17

“The Houthis will presently have missiles again if they don’t already”

?? Not sure they even read their own sentences.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 15:11 utc | 18

Ship traffic live :

Seems only genocide linked ships are blockaded. Plenty of non-genocide linked ships transiting the area. See for yourself

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:39.0/centery:24.8/zoom:4

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2024 15:15 utc | 19

This is very amusing.

It's not clear to me that sane people take the Telegraph seriously.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 24 2024 15:16 utc | 20

"The Houthis have defeated the US Navy

But the EU and France haven’t given up. They’re still fighting for freedom."

Very very funny - 'EU' and france just have to. Not that I expect anyone else to understand what I am saying there.

"At a time when Gaza is besieged and nothing is prevented from it, and Al-Sisi says that he cannot bring anything in, and that the Rafah crossing cannot be opened, he himself is mocking his country and continues to engage in mutual trade and send food and export shipments to and from the occupying state, as he uses Egypt’s ports as an alternative to supporting the occupation instead of... The arrival of Israeli ships to the port of Eilat, where the ports of Port Said and Damietta recorded the largest number of exports to the ports of Haifa and Ashdod since the war."

https://t.me/Sohaibpress/65865

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2024 15:22 utc | 21

There is zero (naught) impartial unbiased journalism and media in the collective wa$te left. Just enemy journalism and media. What a shame.

Posted by: AI | Aug 24 2024 15:24 utc | 22

Who reads the Telegraph?

this should explain it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 24 2024 15:26 utc | 23

The US Navy lost in the Red Sea last June. When the USS Eisenhower and group left the Red Sea after 6 months of battle. With Ships and Aircraft in bad need of repair, low on ammo, crew worn to a frazzle, and a big banner hung from the Con tower saying "Mission Failed"

Posted by: golddigger | Aug 24 2024 15:31 utc | 24

The US Navy lost in the Red Sea last June. When the USS Eisenhower and group left the Red Sea after 6 months of battle.

Posted by: golddigger | Aug 24 2024 15:31 utc | 24

Which raises the question:

What "navy" have they been speaking of sending to protect Israhell from Iran recently?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 15:37 utc | 25

Who'd a thunk it?
The USA gone an lost another goddam war!?

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 24 2024 15:57 utc | 26

As long as the missile supplies keep coming, yes.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 15:05 utc | 13

Yemen builds their own missiles, drones and speedboats, they are close to hypersonics too. Although they undoubtedly used Iranian and Russian plans and know-how.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 15:58 utc | 27

Blue Water navies have become obsolete...the Houthis have shown that very well..So no invasion of Iran is even possible, despite the claims of our neocon maniacs...

Posted by: Pyrrhus | Aug 24 2024 15:59 utc | 28

Yemen builds their own missiles, drones and speedboats, they are close to hypersonics too. Although they undoubtedly used Iranian and Russian plans and know-how.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 15:58 utc | 27
Posted by: count-rumford | Aug 24 2024 14:54 utc | 8

Well, then. There's your answer ... Forever.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 16:03 utc | 29

"US military sealift command (MSC) has no crews for several of the US' "logistics" ships, a US Navy war in the Red Sea is impossible!

Possibly impossible west of Guam.

Ships need oil, bread/bean, various bullets and spare parts!

Will Lincoln go any closer than Gulf of Oman?"

Posted by: paddy | Aug 24 2024 15:09 utc | 17

I think that what you are describing is probably the fundamental reason Iran has delayed its counter attack.

Time is money and especially for ships that are on high alert, need constant resupply and psychologically unbalances the Allied forces..

The second reason , I believe, is that Iran got new war toys from Russia and it takes time to set them up and get trained cause they knw about 16 seconds after their attack is finished Israel will ATTACK AGAIN LIKE THE RABID DOG IT IS.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 24 2024 16:04 utc | 30

The deployment and then retreat of USN aircraft carriers in the attempt to stop the Houthis blockade of the Red Sea communicates the war planners are fearful of one of their carriers being sunk or severely damaged by a Houthi missile. The burning of a Royal Navy ship hit by a French made missile during the war over the Maldives must be on their minds.

Posted by: Keme | Aug 24 2024 16:14 utc | 31

I ran, I am sorry "Iran" is only capable of asymmetric warfare; some people call it "Terrorism". It is not capable of real waging a pitched battle. It is under monetary pressure to sell whatever it can to whoever will buy it: e.g., shahed drones to Russia. It sold out Hamas leader for money. She will never support Hamas as they are not shiite.

However, weak people get help from anywhere they can get. It is kind of a general rule!

Well, I don't presume to suggest foreign policy changes to a regime of a country. I don't know what possessed the leadership of Hamas to fall for it.

Let the religious freaks kill each other over stupid garbage! While both sides munch Iranian pistachios.

Iran is up for grabs by anyone who is not scared and capable of waging a pitched war.

That is just my opinion.

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:14 utc | 32

“Mr. Sharpe has a very punchable face.”

Most neocons do.

Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 24 2024 16:14 utc | 33

That is just my opinion.

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:14 utc | 33

Your opinion has been contradicted by historical fact.

There's a point when opinion transitions to bullshit.

In your case, this is it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 16:20 utc | 34

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 16:20 utc | 35

Your opinion has been contradicted by historical fact... "

Please elaborate? I am not aware of these "historical facts" that you mention!

Did they not get a severe beating by their "weak" neighbor to the East in last few months?

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:28 utc | 35

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 15:58 utc | 27

########

This. The world has changed and the Western chauvinism of the 80s is a delusional relic today.

When I was growing up, "Made in China" meant junk. Today, no one in the West would have any standard of living without Chinese goods.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2024 16:34 utc | 36

Poor Israel is defenceless against the Houthis. Not only is its supplies by ship badly affected by the attacks, but the Houthis are also joining Iran and Hezbollah in planning painful revenge for the assassination of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh.

Posted by: Brendan | Aug 24 2024 16:37 utc | 37

@33. “Iran is up for grabs by anyone who is not scared and capable of waging a pitched war.”

And who would that be?

Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 24 2024 16:38 utc | 38

Did they not get a severe beating by their "weak" neighbor to the East in last few months?

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:28 utc | 36

##################

Who is this weak neighbor?

You already write such dumb stuff, being ambiguous does you no favors.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2024 16:40 utc | 39

@ love

I think they are referring to the 80s Iran/Iraq war in which the US supplied Saddam with training, spare parts, intelligence and chemical weapons. Some may even remember the smiling rummy shaking hands with him.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/9/4/when-rumsfeld-was-chummy-with-saddam

In the end though, it was a stalemate but sure did help the zionazis weaken 2 very strong adversaries.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 16:50 utc | 40

motorslug@1650

Spot on.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 24 2024 16:57 utc | 41

@37

Not so. Most of it is still trash, no matter who made by. If in the west people still made instead of using cheap labour, then they would not bother so much with that (because wages means price). Off-setting inflation caused by monetary expansion (debt or spending) with cheaper trash is a poor bargain in my opinion. Hence the 're-balancing' that does not (cannot) happen without 'middle class' 'slave labour' or alternatively tech 'no labour' ...which we are not at yet. The rest is much (self) 'service' economy.

Still, the US is wealthy by comparison to others...at least was...not that that is any consolation for those seeing their circumstance or opportunity reduced - high asset prices, perpetual debt, and lower income are not a kind recipe for younger generations.

At least the US has a large military to look after everyone :/

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2024 16:57 utc | 42

hahahahaha can't make this up :D

Posted by: Ali | Aug 24 2024 17:01 utc | 43

>Where'd you read that, Hans?

https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1ezme7i/houthi_striking_mt_sounion_earlier_today/

the owner, delta tankers, was added by ukraine to its list of "sponsors of war":

https://nazk.gov.ua/en/news/the-status-of-five-greek-shipping-companies-was-restored-in-the-list-of-war-sponsors/#:%7E:text=Therefore%2C%20the%20NACP%20restored%20their,Minerva%20Marine%3B%20TMC%20Tankers%20LTD

Posted by: hans23 | Aug 24 2024 14:59 utc | 10

So, do you really think Ansar is trying to hurt Russia with its attacks on Imperialist shipping? Is that the conclusion you draw based on these links and your assertion that some of the targeted ships carry Russia oil "from time to time"?

I feel you're being insincere, my good man.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 24 2024 17:05 utc | 44

Around the year 1900 there was the Heshamite kingdom of Transjordan and there was Yemen. There was no Saudi because the Saudi lived in Kuwait and were a favored warlord for protecting British caravans from the far east.

Then the British found oil on the Arabian peninsula. But the British will sware up and down that they did not find oil yet, even though they did.

Then the British made a deal with the warlord Saudis living in Kuwait.

The British would supply the money,the weapons, the strategic planning, the political support all around the world, and the Saudis would supply the puppet figurehead.

The British, using the Saudis conquered the southern part of Transjordan and the northern part of Yemen and established a new country called Saudi Arabia. (THIS COUNTRY SHOULD NOT EXIST,AND IRAN KNOWS IT)

But now, it has been discovered that under Yemen there is more oil than the Saudis had, plus there is natural gas the Saudido not have.

So, the race was on to conquer Yemen.

That is why the US, using Saudi (again) bombed Yemen for the last 12 years.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Aug 24 2024 17:07 utc | 45

I am not aware of these "historical facts" that you mention!

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:28 utc | 36

Seems to. Heard about the Iran-Iraq war ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 24 2024 17:10 utc | 46

Killer post B. Would be funny if there wasn't so much at stake...

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Aug 24 2024 17:13 utc | 47

@ ornot #43

It really depends on what you get. If you shop at Malwart, you are 100% correct. Their slogan should be 'your source for cheap plastic crap made in China'. But they are very good with more industrial stuff. My pool pump has been performing flawlessly and very quiet. Previously, I went through 3 similar US-built ones in as many years.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 17:14 utc | 48

I thought it was jolly decent of the Yankees to park a dozen or so warships, aka Fish Farms, within range of Iran's missiles.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 24 2024 17:17 utc | 49

@ Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 16:50 utc | 41

Yes, the Iran-Iraq war was a good example of, "Let's you and him fight!"

And I have read that the US-Iraq war in 1991 was to de-weaponize Iraq of the armaments it had accumulated in the war against Iran.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 24 2024 17:20 utc | 50

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 17:14 utc | 49
+++++++++++++++++++++
How much do you think from the money you spend in Walmart is funneled to support the settlers in the West Bank?

Posted by: AI | Aug 24 2024 17:20 utc | 51

RE: “Yemen builds their own missiles, drones and speedboats, they are close to hypersonics too. Although they undoubtedly used Iranian and Russian plans and know-how.”

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 15:58 utc | 27

Possibly, but more probable that they get ready made kits, alter them as well as missiles and such from China/Russia. It’s more in China’s interest than Russia to insure security for China’s Djibouti port and well as Iranian oil. It’s a good practice to supply Yemen materially now, than later when attacks direct against China start to occur. Russia aids in supplies more out of vengeance (Justice?) than anything else as NATO arms Ukraine.
The West drones on about “Iran” and Houthis, but guessing the direct trace line would end in the East. It’s good for China.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2024 17:27 utc | 52

@ ai

You're asking the wrong person. I do not, never have, never will shop at the den of insane corporate thieves. The walton family are the epitome of paranoid pyschos with enormous wealth. I have heard the old man sam was a nice guy, but his offspring are vampire squid tentacles.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 17:29 utc | 53

Brief moment of sanity in the middle pages of the Telegraph.
The physical paper had this as the main front page story
Putin’s fragile grip on Russia has been shaken, says John Healey
Ukraine’s march into Kursk has sown doubt around president, Defence Secretary tells The Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/23/putins-grip-on-russia-weakened-says-john-healey/

Another "big story" sayd (honest, not a joke)

Vladimir Putin’s popularity has fallen since Ukraine’s surprise invasion of Kursk, according to a Kremlin-linked research unit.

The poll by VTsIOM confirms unofficial analysis that the Ukrainian incursion has dented the Russian president’s usually rock-solid public support.

It showed that Putin’s popularity fell by 3.3 percentage points to 73.6 per cent within a fortnight of Ukraine’s Aug 6 attack, the first invasion of Russia since the Second World War.

This is the largest slip in support for Putin since....

Good to see the Telegraph hasn't changed much.

Posted by: Mickey Droy | Aug 24 2024 17:37 utc | 54

Yemen builds their own missiles, drones and speedboats, they are close to hypersonics too.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 15:58 utc | 27

"Hypersonic" has taken on the same meaningless bullshit status as "quantum" has held for the last decade or so. I'm surprised they haven't come up with hypersonic running shoes yet.

Only the Russians to my knowledge have the material science capabilities to make an air breathing missile that can travel at hypersonic speeds under it's own power through the atmosphere. This weapon is the holy grail of missiles and the weapon that currently give the Russians the unique ability to launch a decapitation strike on the White House and pentagon faster than the president can order retalliation.

Any nation that has ballistic missiles in their inventory can technically claim to have "hypersonic missiles" as the warhead reaches hypersonic speeds during re-entry.

The Chinese and Russians have "hypersonic glide vehicles" which are basically warheads with wings that reach hypersonic speeds on top of a ballistic missile then glide to their target at those speeds. The USA is currently testing their own vehicle in this class.

The Russian Kinzhal is an areoballistic missile ... basically a ballistic missile travelling at hypersonic speeds launched from an aircraft. The USA has been able to make these for decades but they haven't as far as I know.

The Houtis don't have a true hypersonic missile and don't have the scientific / engineering capabilities to make one and probably won't until someone in the next century figures out how to 3D print one.

What makes true hypersonic missiles so difficult to build is the heat they generate via friction.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 24 2024 17:37 utc | 55

Please elaborate? I am not aware of these "historical facts" that you mention!

Did they not get a severe beating by their "weak" neighbor to the East in last few months?

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:28 utc | 36

*sigh* Oh, come on!

>Please elaborate? I am not aware of these "historical facts" that you mention!

- Iran - Iraq war: Iran proves it's capable of large scale conventional warfare. Some call it a stalemate, I call it a victory. Saddam's objectives were defeated. Iran emerged the stronger, Iraq's doom was sealed.

- Attack on Ain Al Asad base: This was not an "asymmetric" attack. It was a direct, conventional military attack on a US military installation. Iran again proves it's capable of "conventional" military engagements.

- The failure of the US military to directly attack Iran in the way it attacked Iraq in the last 40 years: This inability of the current 'superpower' to confront Iran directly proves that Iran's conventional military power is sufficient to deter stronger military powers.

- Massive missile & drone attack on Israhell requiring the combined resources of 3 or more Western powers to repel/ mitigate: This is a modern *conventional* attack, not an asymmetric attack. It's direct a direct application of military force.

Nothing asymmetric there.

- In addition to the above demonstrated *conventional* deterrent capabilities, Iran also operates a network of non-state allies each themselves capable of asymmetric warfare against the West.

Iran's capabilities are conventional against most nations. It's only considered "asymmetric" against the current superpower because of the apparent power disparity, but in actual fact it has demonstrated symmetric, conventional potential against many of it's adversaries.

Other than the current superpowers (Russia, USA), there are few conventional powers that can contend against Iran.

>Did they not get a severe beating by their "weak" neighbor to the East in last few months?

No. You're high. Lay off the crack.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 17:42 utc | 56

@49

Chinese QC is reaching a high standard, and then the phrase "American trash" was once common also (and UK was not renowned either for its quality) - and neither of those has improved much from since when production was outsourced. The point though is that, and I think there are discussions re. Russia as comparison - that the west has lost many of its skills, and the level of quality it has managed to keep is not improved. There are niche items and trades, but as a whole the west is now quite barren, or better said lost on the concept.

The point is also that the new found relative wealth of the west (due to outsourcing) was much taken for granted and wasted. Consumption was encouraged in every way (supply side and monetary easing).

I enjoy making, well I'm talking to a local and he approved of that , saying "When people make something they learn to appreciate or value the results, but if they are just given things they tend to the opposite, they just want to break them to pieces."

People valued what they bought or owned previously, far more than nowadays. Going back further, everything that was owned had a particular use or a strong meaning.

Anyway, "standard of living" is very subjective. For example, you like a pool, I like a hillside, a forest or the ocean, but neither is the poorer from where I am looking. One likes fast food, another likes a near free local market stand, neither is the better in my opinion. :-)

But we are going way off topic.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2024 17:43 utc | 57

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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2024 16:40 utc | 40

You already write such dumb stuff, being ambiguous does you no favors."

Did you take geography in School? Or you perhaps never went to school. Perhaps it is that our schools have gotten so bad.

However, even for retards they can look up the map: it is just pictures! Unless one is blind as well!

So what is the case: poor schooling??

Why do we have total idiots posting here?

Maybe, all stupid people whose parents ran away from Russia are now part of Russian Mafia: who live in the stories of their homeland of good old days.

Moron!

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 17:45 utc | 58

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 17:45 utc | 59
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Is that you again Napoleon?

Posted by: AI | Aug 24 2024 17:51 utc | 59

@hb #56

Great info thanks for the explanation. True, it is a media buzzword but for the purposes here I was thinking more on the terms of being able to bypass the iron dome and patriot AD. Iran has had 15x SoS for at least a year and the Houthis have or are nearing a Mach 8 missile.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240314/houthis-go-hypersonic-how-ansar-allahs-advance-in-missile-tech-could-trigger-us-defeat-in-mideast-1117334551.html

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 17:53 utc | 60

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 17:45 utc | 59
+++++++++++++++++++++
Is that you again Napoleon? No need to insult the people here. You need to stick to the rules.

Posted by: AI | Aug 24 2024 17:53 utc | 61

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2024 17:43 utc | 58

No the word "American Trash" is used for something else!

American made stuff was never bad, Chinese stuff is bad!!!! But we have oligarchs running this country. The stupid people or unknown loyalties bought up the Moron Clinton, who was a hick from Arkansas. I miss our American industry!!

But we don't have acid rains anymore, and we have no one dumping toxic stuff in our ground water. So China is welcome to killing its people who cannot speak out.

But I don't think the Oligarchs and their cohorts were thinking of that–their motive was pure greed and lack of loyalty.

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 17:54 utc | 62

"Not saying anything until the Mail opines on the situation!"

Posted by: jpc | Aug 24 2024 15:08 utc | 16

I dunno. Shouldn't we hold out until The Telegraph weighs in?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 24 2024 17:58 utc | 63

Oil transit is the cartaroid artery of the global economy. Oh yes the Houthi actions are noteworthy. They are only a communication because they are a workaround. It's a communication that is a reminder because everyone knows and has known for a long time the straits have more power than nuclear weapons if significant oil transits through them.
The Yemen strait is only partially strategic because there is a workaround. How and why oil tankers continue to transit it without insurance is a good question. The latest Houthi attack was on a tanker carrying 4x the oil of the Exxon Valdez. If all of that exits the tanker we are looking at a oil release into a marine environment that is catastrophic with no insurance.
From the begining oil transit was known as a economic weapon with no peer. Like nuclear weapons its effects on economies is mutually assured destruction. Removing any significant amount of oil from world markets renders the price of energy unaffordable. That means industry shuts down like BASF in Germany. Inexpensive energy was of great benefit to Germany. Their economy is more or less terminated.
Why? It doesn't make sense? The enemy is Russia right?
No. The globalist view is all energy consumption is the enemy. Destroying nordstream is a great victory. Energy is to be distributed in a yet to be determined manner. Open sale of oil on global markets is the fundamental basis of all economies. Even agricultural economies is fertilizer has been petroleum based since the 60s. Open sale of oil on global markets is essentially a completely deregulated situation. The globalists have had various ideas how to change that carbon credits for instance
The problem is any regulation will have disastrous effects on economys and will be quickly reversed if voluntary.
This is why war is neccesary. How else to get the German people to destroy their own economy? Given enough time they will revolt demanding the return of cheap energy. It will be a while since they kick themselves in the nuts 108 times at any thing that might resemble national self preservation.
What is neccesary is physical force that can not be overcome preventing oil transit. Cheap precision conventional weapons provide that. This is what we are on the cusp of.
This has been known for a long time. The new generation of inexpensive precision drones and missiles means that most countries can manufacture them. If not they can be purchased or provided like in Yemen.
The only means of preventing use of precision conventional weapons at geophysical choke points was diplomacy and commitment to respect of other cultures and traditions. That has been actively abandoned because what is cessation of oil transit the end of industrial civilization for the masses not the elite and the subsequent depopulation that will result. Food production alone as a result of petrochemical reliance will be reduced by 2/3. That's just one factor there are numerous. Every single drop of oil is consumed sustaining indu add trial civilization.
How important is this? Only as important as oxygen to the individual. As we see insurance is abandoned the risk of environmental disaster from spills ignored.
What has been assumed in both nuclear weapons and cessation of oil transit is that no one would want the end of industrial civilization and a depopulation event of say 90%. That is not the situation. We have very powerful individuals saying both large reduction in petroleum products and depopulation is desirable. As mentioned as it gets way the people will want it reversed if based on arbitrary policies. War and force deployed at the geophysical checkpoints is the only way. What do we witness? That very thing known about for so long being constructed in the present.
All military actions are mere flesh wounds compared to oil transit cessation. Oil transit is the arteries. Just as a choke hold stops oxygen to the brain the straits which oil transits through stop the primary source of industrial civilization if force is applied.
Is it unreasonable to believe this is desired? They just tried to get Iran to close Hormuz. The ongoing Palestinian genocide is a attempt to get Iran to close Hormuz out of frustration. All of the abandonment of diplomacy and the escalation of conflict and the proliferation of inexpensive precision has a readily observed probable outcome that we already see in a small manner in Yemen. Petroleum product consumption end and depopulation are openly discussed as desirable acts to achieve by the worlds elite.Is it conceivable that the probable outcome of cessation of oil transit is not known and desired by the elite. No it is not. The end of oil transit and the end of industrial civilization. What has changed is that many of the countries who control these straits have realized that oil transit cessation is not something that is not desired by the elites, that can be used as a bargaining chip but something that is actively sought and worked toward with all efforts by the elite.
As we see it won't take much. Even a couple dozen squads with inexpensive precision weapons at the choke points will do it. The trick is to get the lemmings determined to jump off the cliff like nordstream and Germany. That determination is needed to ensure that the choke points remain closed for a period long enough to achieve goals. The emotions raised in the phenomena known as war provide that determination as well as the willingness to end industrial civilization with the suffering that will entail. These emotions are strongest when racial or religious hatred is involved so this is the fertile ground to implement goals. Diplomacy and tolerance work against the goal so these thing are actively destroyed through various means. As mere peasants we have only one defense and that is to practice compassion tolerance and understanding. That is indeed very difficult in the face of extreme provocation often involving threats to our existence or existence of those we love yet compassion tolerance and understanding are the only tools that do not fall into their trap.

Posted by: Dogowoof | Aug 24 2024 17:59 utc | 64

... Dear me! Did that epic stream of err... wisdom all come from The Telegraph?!?

Well that settles it then.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 24 2024 18:01 utc | 65

"But I don't think the Oligarchs and their cohorts were thinking of that–their motive was pure greed and lack of loyalty."

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 17:54 utc | 63

I believe the above as the major causes but there are others 1. Over regulation and 2. Competition.

1..Much of the West's govt regulations are ineffective, cumbersome, bureaucratic, time consuming -quintessentially counter productive.

2.Companies search fervently for lower costs as many red blooded men search fervently for females with large mammary glands. And, once your competition does it-ie go to China or other such low costs jurisdictions - you are forced to as well or the corp. will go bankrupt.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 24 2024 18:03 utc | 66

I suggest a missile battery of Houthis in Sevastopol, who do I write to?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 24 2024 18:07 utc | 67

So let me get this clear in my head.

Prosperity Guardian is to use warships to defend tankers to and from Israel against aerial and seaborne drones and missiles. Wouldn't the warships need to be really near the tankers to provide any sort of protection. And wouldn't the warship be a vulnerable target too. How was this supposed to work?

It would seem that buying off the leadership would be really more effective and a lot cheaper. Or simply re-route Israel shipping to bypass Yemen. Or why can't a tanker call on an intermediate non Israel port and then move on to Israel later or off load cargo to another vessel.

Who had the bright idea to pick this fight, and decide to fight it this way.

The Houthis support of Palestine seems tertiary or oblique and it is the western response that really empowers the Houthies instead of diminishing them.

Aren't the Houthies in a civil war? How do they have time and energy for helping Palestine.

Posted by: count-rumford | Aug 24 2024 18:12 utc | 68

Wictor, Wictor Wictor...
You have NO clue, one has to do a hell of a lot of reading with many different sources to understand then comment in any site like this. Your mistake was being too lazy and ambiguous when making inaccurate statements. Another mistake is thinking there is anything positive, moral or righteous with anything the dastardly west is doing these last several decades. Just give it a rest...oh and read UP bro!!

Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 24 2024 18:13 utc | 69

https://news.usni.org/2024/08/22/navy-could-sideline-17-support-ships-due-to-manpower-issues

Military Sealift Command has drafted a plan to remove the crews from 17 Navy support ships due to a lack of qualified mariners to operate the vessels across the Navy, USNI News learned.

The MSC “force generation reset” identified two Lewis and Clark replenishment ships, one fleet oiler, a dozen Spearhead-class Expeditionary Fast Transports (EPF) and two forward-deployed Navy expeditionary sea bases that would enter an “extended maintenance” period and have their crews retasked to other ships in the fleet, three people familiar with the plan told USNI News Thursday.

Based on the crew requirements on the platforms, sideling all the ships could reduce the civilian mariner demand for MSC by as many as 700 billets.

A defense official confirmed the basic outline of the plan to USNI News on Thursday. Two sources identified the forward-deployed sea bases as USS Lewis Puller (ESB-3), based in Bahrain in U.S. Central Command, and USS Herschel “Woody” Williams (ESB-4), based in Naval Support Activity Souda Bay, Greece, and operated in U.S. European and Africa Command.

A Navy official, when contacted by USNI News, acknowledged the service was working on a plan to retask civilian mariners but did not provide details.

The new effort, known informally as “the great reset” has yet to be adopted by the Navy and is awaiting approval from Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Lisa Franchetti, USNI News understands.

Posted by: Alexis Ricer | Aug 24 2024 18:14 utc | 70

The free world needs a fleet of nuclear submarines based in Australia. Aukus must succeed

It’s not just a better submarine, it’s an entirely different class of warship

Tom Sharpe 22 Aug 2024, 1:16pm
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Tom Sharpe is the sharpest tool in the shed of the free world (and we know how sharp those tools are). While we may not know is what the free world is, when it emerged, where is it located, under wise (and sharp) advise of Tom Sharpe (not to be mistaken for Tom of Finland) we know that it needs. IMHO, it would be good for the free world to prioritize, e.g. focus on finishing the design and construction of "an entirely different class of warship", and put some expensive projects for later, like making sure that s..t can be meted to Palestinians with impunity or "sinking of the Crimea".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 24 2024 18:16 utc | 71

I ran, I am sorry "Iran" is only capable of asymmetric warfare; some people call it "Terrorism".
Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 16:14 utc | 33

The Iran-Iraq war (1980 to 1988) is a classic example of US warfare. The US did not fight Iran directly, but got a proxy to do it for them: Iraq, then ruled by Saddam Hussein. Long story short: after Saddam Hussein did the US' dirty work against Iran, the Americans hung Saddam Hussein by the neck until dead. It's a cautionary tale for all US allies: asking the US ambassador for permission on beforehand does not count.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 24 2024 18:32 utc | 72

"Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2024 17:42 utc | 57

No. You're high. Lay off the crack."

First, I think there was some Iranian Empire as well. Do you know when Iran-Iraq war happened? Surely, you cannot mean in the history–like Putin gave a lecture a history lesson to that Carlson guy.

The truth is that Iran cannot protect itself from aerial attacks. Fighting with Iraq was two guys too emaciated to fight without getting light-headed.

You think "Terrorism" is the same thing as a full blown war??? We will see won't we? BTW, Iranians are not only Shiite, they are real aryans too. So much for VVPs propaganda about neo-Nazis!

Now, what is wrong with being high? It just means that you have disposable income!!

Is someone envious of a lifestyle that is beyond a drop-outs reach?

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 18:39 utc | 73

@ passer #73

“But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 1960s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction.”
- US Amb to Iraq April Glaspie

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 18:53 utc | 74

https://thelibertydaily.com/red-sea-crisis-footage-captures-suezmax-tanker-explosion/

Referencing breaking ZH article "Red Sea Crisis: Footage Captures Suezmax Tanker Explosion After Houthi Missile Strike As West Fails To Secure Chokepoint."

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 24 2024 18:54 utc | 75

Great and very funny collection of headlines. Maybe it still sells newsprint.

Thank you, -b, that was hysterical.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 24 2024 18:56 utc | 76

Wars the US has won:
Panama
Hiati
Grenada

Wars the US was defeated:
Vietnam
Afghanistan

Wars US date not fight:

Cuba
Iran
North Korea

Expensive weapon systems are cheap to defeat.

Posted by: Saag | Aug 24 2024 19:01 utc | 77

Nice on B

But can I add a layer or two?

When you can't deter an enemy, when you can't defeat an enemy, that has a name.

You have been defeated by the enemy!

And as usual, when all else fails the mighty US just goes for the sanctions.

Feels nice, the rest hasn't worked (and won't work) you can say you're doing something that will (surely, likely, one day) work.

So....

https://www.state.gov/sanctions-on-houthi-procurement-network/

And if not now, soon enough the noose around china will be, once again see below, will be tightened.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-imposes-sanctions-400-more-targets-aiding-russias-war-effort-2024-08-23/

Now, china is not stupid and knows "we're next" and the US is hell-bound on forcing china to pick a side, guess which....

Me thinks the US hasn't thought its cunning plan through...

In fact I would be tempted to say, in a most politically incorrect manner nowadays, that they must have gone full retard.

Even a minor handicap, say 90% brain loss, should leave enough for those idiots to suspect that they're precipitating things on a road not to the least of their likening...

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 24 2024 19:02 utc | 78

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/23/the-us-push-for-saudi-recognition-of-israel/

Washington is endeavoring to cement Israel as the preeminent military-economic linchpin of a U.S.-led regional order, writes Tariq Dana.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 19:03 utc | 79

Bravo! Best post ever! Adding, one thing not mentioned much is that an Iranian blockade of the Hormuz might be like the one in the Red Sea. IE its the Isra Hegemons ships that are being interdicted. And NOT China, Russia and the unaligned liners.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Aug 24 2024 19:08 utc | 80

take it with a grain of salt;
but, then again, it has been over a month now since the assassination/s

https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1827397744127840326
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_

⚡️ Netanyahu assesses situation with Galant, Herzi Halevi and other security officials amid assessment that #Hezbollah is imminent to launch a large-scale attack in response to Fouad Shukr's assassination

https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1827395618173534556
⚡️ 🔴 Hebrew report:
The reason for the US Chief of Staff's arrival in the region is that there is information indicating that #Hezbollah will attack #Israel within the next 72 hours

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 24 2024 19:09 utc | 81

What is the oath taken by the military?
Oath of Enlistment - Army Values
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ...

What does the Constitution say?
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; . . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 24 2024 19:14 utc | 82

@63

"American trash" 'culture' coincides with outsourcing and decreasing quality. Before the mid 70's the US was making quality (for the day) . Quality generally decreased since then, and so in europe/english "American trash" was being used to describe US goods as a whole (in informal settings at least) by the mid 80's. People in the US are probably better to say for themselves how quality changed, given that reputation and market in europe was reduced.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2024 19:15 utc | 83

Moron!

Posted by: Victor | Aug 24 2024 17:45 utc | 59

Iraq is to the West of Iran. Not East.

You must get lost a lot.

Simple test - Please ID for me your right hand and left hand?

Moron

Moron

Posted by: Angelo | Aug 24 2024 19:21 utc | 84

Posted by: Dogowoof | Aug 24 2024 17:59 utc | 65

Brilliant post...well up to the standard of Dungroanin, who continues to get better.

The Telegraph has always been a joke shop at best...sometimes nearly as funny as the Beano and The Daily Mail - but mostly Fear Propaganda from the American neocons and those in control of The British Government...

Are these the same people? They wheel out the WEF people who used to be actors in James Bond movies and Star Wars, as if we are supposed to take them seriously..

My basic philosophy (probably from my Dad - an Engineer) if she has worked well, every day for well over 40 years, clean her, but don't try and fix her.

She's Fine

They don't make Boilers like that now.

Hope Bernhard is Well. He is even older than me, and an inspiration

Good Man

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 24 2024 19:23 utc | 85

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 19:03 utc | 80
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Since when does Saudi Arabia need protection from the US of A. They have BRICS+ now, that's enough. I think the gringos are desperate for control but they can no longer get it.

Posted by: AI | Aug 24 2024 19:34 utc | 86

Been wondering that myself....there must be something else out there the oligarchy wants to control.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 19:36 utc | 87

I won't go into the constheory that Iraq 2 was to obtain the secrets buried with Hammurabi.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 19:38 utc | 88

first comments/link here are by warlock, in response to the second rather stupid post, with Harris video, by The Nation's president Bhaskar Sunkara. This is how low so-called democratic socialists in america have fallen

...Ronald FUCKING Reagan...

https://x.com/evil_fiend02/status/1827060759701942576
warlock 🧙🏻‍♂️🇵🇸🔻 @evil_fiend02

You are all fucking stupid little children. Ronald FUCKING Reagan pressured Israel to stop their siege of Beirut in 1982 because human casualties had gotten too high - around 5000 people. Now 40k+ have been killed and this admin CONTINUES to send them money and weapons.

George Bush called for an independent Palestinian state in 2002! Are you motherfuckers goldfish? Some wishy washy bullshit about self-determination is enough to impress you? She’s being outflanked by REAGAN AND BUSH!!!!

If she was actually “feeling pressure from activists” she’d commit to a weapons embargo.

https://x.com/sunraysunray/status/1826821686605279410
Bhaskar Sunkara @sunraysunray
President @thenation, founding editor @jacobin, democratic socialist.

Harris’s self-determination line on Palestine matters, she’s feeling the pressure from activists and that’s a good thing.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 24 2024 19:42 utc | 89

Russia needs to stop whining and beat the shit full out and decapitate the enemy.

The west does not negotiate. It sees negotiations as a sign of weakness and will not comply with anything and Russia will.

It is now clear the US will not accept anything except a complete vassal status for the rest of the planet. It is delusional and given it's "classified nuclear doctrine" be very afraid. If you don't know what is their doctrine how can you plan for it? And can such an existential document for the whole of humanity be classified?

Posted by: cafe_con_leche5 | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 90

Perhaps Trump's space force can defeat the Houthi's.

"SpaceX to return Boeing's Starliner astronauts from space next year, NASA says"
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-return-boeings-starliner-astronauts-space-next-year-nasa-says-2024-08-24/

And mighty Britannia it seems cannot even float a boat now let alone rule the waves.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 19:48 utc | 91

@mj72 #90

Just as the psychos in Occupied Palestine have no qualms about taking the rest of the planet with them, the dems don't care about anything except 'beating trump'. Keep in mind, they are all on the zionists payroll with few exceptions.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 20:00 utc | 92

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/08/23/kamala-is-still-a-cop/

"She never once failed to fight ferociously for stiffer sentences, heftier bail requirements and longer prison terms, all too often for rinky-dink offenses like petty theft, panhandling, prostitution, graffiti, vagrancy, loitering and especially non-violent drug offenses."

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 24 2024 20:03 utc | 93

Russia needs to stop whining and beat the shit full out and decapitate the enemy.

The west does not negotiate. It sees negotiations as a sign of weakness and will not comply with anything and Russia will.

It is now clear the US will not accept anything except a complete vassal status for the rest of the planet. It is delusional and given it's "classified nuclear doctrine" be very afraid. If you don't know what is their doctrine how can you plan for it? And can such an existential document for the whole of humanity be classified?

Posted by: cafe_con_leche5 | Aug 24 2024 19:44 utc | 91

I think we all feel the same way, cafe. However, Putin and and Russians generally are not like us. They resist any emotional responses, seek objective perspectives and always consider the long term in their calculations. Aka, they aren't like the west. So, it can be difficult at particular junctures in the process to understand the whole strategy.

We must remember they are the only country that has now repeatedly, openly defied US imperialism successfully. That's no small thing.

They are confronting a totally irrational, nihilistic dying power that is capable of anything, that will literally repeatedly shoot itself in the foot and call it victory.

It's a tricky deal.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 24 2024 20:19 utc | 94

If there is now a large oil spill in the Red Sea, who is to blame:

Houthis for sinking the ship.

Tanker owner for sailing through waters where ships get sunk.

The entity that chartered that delivery and schedule.

Other.

?

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2024 20:22 utc | 95

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2024 19:48 utc | 92

"SpaceX to return Boeing's Starliner astronauts from space next year, NASA says"

"And mighty Britannia it seems cannot even float a boat now let alone rule the waves."

First of all, I have to admit, I prefer you Australians to Smooth Talking Americans..

Has Australia ever tried to get a man into orbit???

Have us British..even with Concordski???

I have layed on the top of a boat in the Norfolk Broads, and various other places in the world, even South of the Equator - where the moon kind of goes upside down..

And I have seen this Space junk in the sky...

I have also seen it faked underwater before AI..

Has the UK, Australia, Russia or Even China voluteered to Rescue These Americans in Space??

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 24 2024 20:40 utc | 96

Thank you dan of steele for that illuminating clip.
I'm sure it would be even funnier if I knew much about the national newspapers in England.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 24 2024 20:43 utc | 97

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 24 2024 20:40 utc | 97

I believe there is at least one Soyuz capsule docked at the ISS that they could use for emergency evacuation.

Posted by: a stone | Aug 24 2024 20:53 utc | 98

When the Storm hit us, we battened down the hatches, shoved the kids down below and screamed at him, the Captain - Do not leave this boat..Sure your new Dinghy has taken off and Blown Away, and you Are Determined to Get it Back..

For once in his life he obeyed me, but still got his dinghy back.

Not asked him about the latest bollocks, mainly because he ain't here.

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 24 2024 21:09 utc | 99

Can the USN and RN really be that disconnected?

I mean if they were really concerned about vulnerable cargo ships and tankers transiting the Red Sea and the straits, then why o why are they not convoying them through the area...........??

The Houthis seems to be able to engage cargo ships and tankers at their own leisure, and individually too.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 24 2024 21:10 utc | 100