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August 29, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-207

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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In a recent poll, 47% of Israeli citizens thought it it was OK for IDF soldiers to rape Palestinian prisoners.

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Aug 29 2024 8:41 utc | 1

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Aug 29 2024 8:41 utc | 1 Too bad for Palestinians then, no one will come to save them. The most they can hope for is an economic collapse in Israel, as the last of them is pushed into the Sinai or buried under rubble. On the bright side after that the Israel/Palestine problem will finally be over.

Posted by: Phariah | Aug 29 2024 9:32 utc | 2

Is Qatar, an informant to the US of A, not only in the Middle East but also as a ‘tactical’ foreign actor capable of influencing policy implementation and outcomes in the European Union?

Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 9:38 utc | 3

Posted by: Phariah | Aug 29 2024 9:32 utc | 2
Amazing to see people openly approving of colonial genocide, just because the indigenous population is getting in the way.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 29 2024 9:42 utc | 4

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 29 2024 9:42 utc | 4
Palestine is just the prisoner the guards are using to send a message to the inmates of the west.
That fascist piece of shit was giving you a veiled threat. That is why they do it. Remember that and who you know has spoken like this if shit ever hits the fan.

Posted by: badjoke | Aug 29 2024 10:14 utc | 5

From all indications a significant plurality of Israelis have left the human race. Between the Yahwehist elements within the Old Testicles and the machinations of those rabbinical elements which have created and still embrace the Babylonian Talmud’s dictum that the “Chosen” are the only real humans; literally millions of those people have become something OTHER than human.
The Zionist project to conquer and occupy Palestine and to commit genocide upon the Palestinian people, 85% of whom are actually descended from the ancient Hebrews, is almost incomprehensible to any individual with care and compassion to extend those feelings to those who are embedded within a late Bronze Age mindset.
It is very difficult to accept as fellow humans those individuals and an entire culture who despise all those who are not of their particular tribal mentality.
The wildcat is metaphorically out of the bag and is running amok with sheer hatred in their eyes and blood on their hands.
Although there are significant numbers of people with Jewish heritage who oppose that racist insanity amongst their cultural collective…they are but outliers crying out against a wilderness of shame and degradation. When the Zionist entity is ultimately demolished and put down; those fervid adherents to this racist insanity need to be quarantined far away from those majority humans whom they would victimize.
Many decades ago, long before the creation of the Zionist Entity in Occupied Palestine; Joseph Stalin created a state for those who required their own state in a habitable part of Siberia. Perhaps his chosen location was being a bit overly kind, as that area is not merely a habitable location…it may well be a bit too close to people who are natives of of that neighborhood.
Those extreme adherents to the exclusivist anti-religion of Talmudism will need to be considered as pariahs who need to be deported and quarantined in some location where they cannot become predators and parasites upon those who are not of their ilk.
Like Stalin’s honorable offer, it could be that Hitler’s original scheme for those Talmudist fanatics to be relocated to Madagascar was not being fair to the Malagasy people. As Talmudists themselves seek to remain isolated from the rest of humanity…the more than 99 % of the human race will ultimately feel compelled to see that total cultural isolation may be made possible in some part of the planet where they can stew in their own juices.
I cannot comprehend how the most extreme racists on planet earth can ever become anything other than utter outcasts living far away from ordinary human beings who are not devolved into a culture of hatred towards all others. Such an exclusionist culture, based upon the conceptualization of being a master race which should rule all others with an iron fist…is totally TOXIC.
That culture, according to the late brain-surgeon and polymath, Dr. Leonard Shlain, is premised upon the BRIS. That ritual, which Shlain celebrated is where the innocent Jewish boy is viciously deprived of his very man-hood at the ripe old age of eight days. That ritual is the foundation of a culture based upon induced fear deeply embedded within the subconscious mind.
Fear is the opposite of love. It is the foundation of hatred…a hatred for those who are not members of the exclusivist mindset of a Bronze Age tribal culture.
Kind and compassionate Jews such as Dr. Gabor Mate’, have managed to emerge from the tribalist mania in which they were raised. From the examples of humanists such as him, we can realize that Talmudism is not hereditary…it is imposed by an ancient ritual known to some as the Unkindest Cut.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 10:42 utc | 6

Blessed Be the Peacemakers, for they shall know peace in their souls and in their eternal spirits as emanations of Creator.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 10:47 utc | 7

On the bright side after that the Israel/Palestine problem will finally be over.
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 29 2024 9:32 utc | 2
You’re such a starry eyed optimist.
No.
No, it won’t be over.
Because Eretz Israel needs to be built.
That means the Palestinians in the Lebanese refugee camps will need to go.
Then the Palestinians in the Syrian ghettos need to go.
Then most of Jordan, who are Palestinian, will need to be disposed of.
And each of those countries will need to be invaded and immiserated so that Jews can feel safe at night.
What, did you think one genocide was enough to satisfy these people?
And even then the edges of the charnel house they’ve created will overlap the territory of Arabs who are not completely subservient to Pax Judaica.
Evil consumes all, and when it has nothing left to consume, it consumes itself.
This is not the end. It is the beginning.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 11:37 utc | 8

Posted by: Pariah | Aug 29 2024 9:32 utc | 2
You are a piece of shit-go fuck yourself

Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 11:42 utc | 9

The weak proxies in the middle east are colonialist UK, France, Germany, Spain. Many small targets from UN radars, navy ships, other ships, small military outposts in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Red Sea, Persian Gulf.
These are targets that will start the rollback of “West” cultural influence, military, logistics and intelligence assets in the region. Like the Sahel in Africa France was expelled first, then the USA retreated. The same can be done in the middle east.

Posted by: Jonny Law | Aug 29 2024 12:13 utc | 10

Occurred to me this morning that I have been using the wrong term.
L I H O P (Let It Happen On Purpose)
October 7th, the treacherous Zionists betrayed their own and M I H O P (MADE It Happen On Purpose) !

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 12:13 utc | 11

Evil consumes all, and when it has nothing left to consume, it consumes itself.
This is not the end. It is the beginning.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 11:37 utc | 8
Addendum:
But if you’re wondering how this ends, it’s something like this:
Every genocidal strain of humanity eventually comes up against a species of human that is immune to its evil.
They push too hard against the wrong door and meet their end in the dustbin of history.
The Israelis of today, fabricated upon the original Semitic prototype, will meet the same fate as the people whose identity they stole:

So the Romans being now become masters of the walls, they both placed their ensigns upon the towers, and made joyful acclamations for the victory they had gained: as having found the end of this war, much lighter than its beginning. For when they had gotten upon the last wall, without any bloodshed, they could hardly believe what they found to be true; but seeing no body to oppose them, they stood in doubt what such an unusual solitude could mean. But when they went in numbers into the lanes of the city, with their swords drawn, they slew those whom they overtook without mercy; and set fire to the houses whither the Jews were fled, and burnt every soul in them: and laid waste a greatmany of the rest: and when they were come to the houses to plunder them, they found in them intire families of dead men; and the upper rooms full of dead corpses: that is of such as died by the famine. They then stood in an horror at this sight: and went out, without touching any thing. … were destroyed in that manner, yet had they not the same for those that were still alive: but they ran every one through whom they met with; and obstructed the very lanes with their dead bodies; and made the whole city run down with blood, to such a degree indeed, that the fire of many of the houses was quenched with these mens blood. And truly so it happened, that though the slayers left off at the evening; yet did the fire greatly prevail in the night. And as all was burning, came that eighth day of the month Gorpieus [Elul]17 upon Jerusalem: a city that had been liable to so many miseries during this siege, that had it always enjoyed as much happiness from its first foundation, it would certainly have been the envy of the world. Nor did it on any other account so much deserve these sore misfortunes, as by producing such a generation of men as were the occasions of this its overthrow.
— Josephus, on the destruction of the second temple.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 12:14 utc | 12

-“- Josephus, on the destruction of the second temple.”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 12:14 utc | 12
Josephus is not a good source; he was a Zealot fighting against Rome in Jerusalem then when Vespasian was closing in (at the time 67 AD Vespasian was a General)Josephus defected to save his own skin and told Vespasian that there were omens that he would become Emperor.
He then worked for Vespasian as a translator and advisor.
Anything that the quisling Josephus wrote must be taken with many grains of salt.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 12:28 utc | 13

HaHa!
Was searching for something else but chanced upon this BBC article.
The article was from October 9th, and we see the birth of the cover up.

[Highlights are mine]
Where were the Israel Defense Forces, in those long hours as Hamas militants roamed at will around communities near Gaza, some are asking.
“The army completely failed as a quick-reaction force,” one Israeli said, pointing to how some of the communities that came under attack had to rely on their own civilian protection forces while they waited for the military to arrive.
The full answer of why this happened will take some time to emerge. But it seems as if surprise, scale and speed overwhelmed defences which were patchy and unprepared for what they faced.
Surprise was crucial in Hamas’s assault.
Israeli intelligence failed to get inside the planning by Hamas for the attack. The group seems to have undertaken a long-term programme of deception to give the impression it was incapable or unwilling to launch an ambitious attack.
It also practised good operational security, probably keeping off electronic communications.

Hamas then relied on the unprecedented scale and speed of what came next.

It would be a month or more before the Limited Hangout was published, the news that Israel (and MI6 and the CIA (?))
had had Hamas’s detailed plan for October 7th for nearly a year in advance. Detailed. It said so much,
including how Hamas would try to lull Israel in complacency. Forewarned is forearmed.
“It also practised good operational security, probably keeping off electronic communications.”
Ha! and Ha!, again.
Ironically, the Israelis are claiming that they themselves had chosen months before Oct 7th to halt the monitoring of
Hamas hand-held radio network. That is what the Israelis are saying and now they are stuck with it.
Who buys into that one?
Here, the Israeli news services apparently do.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/
Just had to include this laugher from the end of the article:

The attacks have been compared to those of 9/11 in the US, when no-one had predicted that planes could be used as weapons. That was often called a “failure of imagination”.

Couldn’t Israel imagine a better cover-up? Ha !

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 12:38 utc | 14

@Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 12:28 utc | 13
Yes, and it is from Josephus that we get the myth of Masada.
Josephus was a turncoat and was working for the Romans.
They tasked him with writing a history of Masada that would
shame the rebels on Masada.
Suicide was and is a terrible sin in Judaism.
So Josephus wrote that the defenders of Masada had all committed suicide.
Who was to challenge Josephus? The defenders were all dead (except that
poor woman that had hid in a well).
Well, history has played a trick on Josephus and the Romans.
History decided to ignore reality and pretend just this once that suicide
was heroic.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 12:46 utc | 15

@ librul #14
I remember several comments in these threads comparing 10/7 to 9/11 and that is a very important reference. The zionists were the main perps in 9/11 with inside help/knowledge of the neocons in charge at the time – MIHOP. As Chris Bollyn has pointed out, for almost 2 decades now, the zionists MO is false flag. From prior to 1948 onward and they aren’t even trying to hide it. The mossad motto is “By way of deception you shall engage in war.”

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 13:09 utc | 16

@Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 13:09 utc | 16
Yes, thx

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 13:13 utc | 17

Note: false flags ?
1) in the Terror Attsck on the King David Hotel, the perps dressed up as Arabs.
2) the attack on the USS Liberty was first sold as an attack by Egypt.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 13:14 utc | 18

Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 9:38 utc | 3
I believe they have already donated to some of the EU parliament members.

Posted by: KingCobra | Aug 29 2024 13:16 utc | 19

@Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 12:46 utc | 15
A note to Phariah, our most recent supporter of Israeli betrayal and treachery.
History writes that the defenders of Masada would throw down excrement on those below.
So I say to Phariah,
go to the base of Masada and look up!
Ha!
—-
That isn’t copyrighted so barflies can use it freely when they encounter hasbara.
“Go to the base of Masada and look up!”

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 13:18 utc | 20

I did not realize before today that the primary reason that Osama bin Laden gave for attacking the US on 9/11 was Palestine. He wrote a ‘letter to America’ which explains all of his reasoning; I had not noticed it before now, if indeed it was widely published. In any case, here are the relevant excerpts pertaining to Palestine and I put a link to the entire letter at the end. (The source has titled this “Full text”, but again, I am only quoting some of it below.) I have no interest in discussing 9/11 per se, but only put this here as it pertains to Palestine.
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Full text: bin Laden’s ‘letter to America’
November 24, 2002
[…] As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine:
(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.
(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) – and we make no distinction between them.
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.
[…] (g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al- Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it. […]
https://scholarship.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/218e2431-0b76-43ff-8ac5-284ae73d29ad/content
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Posted by: teri | Aug 29 2024 13:25 utc | 21

Posted by: KingCobra | Aug 29 2024 13:16 utc | 19
++++++++++++++++++++++
Thanks. You have to wonder who actually runs the eu afterall if any?

Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 13:38 utc | 22

I did not realize before today that the primary reason that Osama bin Laden gave for attacking the US on 9/11
@Posted by: teri | Aug 29 2024 13:25 utc | 21
Where in that letter does Bin Laden claim that **HE**, Bin Laden, did 9/11 ?

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 13:42 utc | 23

@Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 13:14 utc | 18
Without trying too hard here are a couple of other false-flags.
1) “Security failure” false-flag at the border between Lebanon and Israel which created a pretext for the 2006 invasion of Lebanon.
2) Mossad posed as CIA and funded an attack upon Iran in the hopes that Iran would attack the US in retaliation.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/
archive: https://archive.ph/oKi4q

Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives — what is commonly referred to as a “false flag” operation.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 13:50 utc | 24

Israel was carrying out raids across the occupied West Bank and Abbas was playing with his fiends in KSA…
Meanwhile a beer on the house for our irish friends
“Ireland’s foreign minister calls for a revision of the so-called Association Agreement which regulates ties between the EU and Israel as “it is clear to us that international humanitarian law has been broken”.”

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 14:06 utc | 25

@ teri
This really isn’t the forum for wide ranging discussions on 9/11 but take a little time reading/watching Bollyn’s research on the zionist terrorists.
https://youtu.be/qOq-LbQ4erM?si=Em7h62LubZjR2hTu
https://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book/
Not to mention the history of zionist collaboration with real Nazis to occupy Palestine.
“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.” — Dvaid Ben-Burion 1948

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 14:20 utc | 26

to Canuck. Every time I begin to think that your knowledge on some subjects might make your presence worthwhile, you spout out some vulgar vicious hate speech. If you cannot show respect for your fellow flies, maybe you could think about showing some respect for your host who goes to great lengths to make this forum available.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 29 2024 14:27 utc | 27

From live feed Palestine Chronicle:
Thursday, August 29, 02:00 am (GMT+2)
BELGIUM (Belgian Deputy Prime Minister): The genocidal policies and statements of Israeli officials should not go unpunished. I support sanctions against Smotrich and Ben Gvir.
Comment – the EU foreign ministers are meeting today “informally” to discuss sanctions on certain genociders, the Ukrainian Civil War, and other topics

Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 14:48 utc | 28

to Canuck. Every time I begin to think that your knowledge on some subjects might make your presence worthwhile, you spout out some vulgar vicious hate speech. If you cannot show respect for your fellow flies, maybe you could think about showing some respect for your host who goes to great lengths to make this forum available.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 29 2024 14:27 utc | 27
Dear Mr Lacy, I hereby inform you that canuk is known for spouting quite vitriolic noises (if one so desires they can be called speech)
Particularly against Josephus and an asshole (and I’m calling him that because canuk would frown if I called him a cunt without asserting the poster had one) that decided to make fun of the plight of the palestinian people @2

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 15:22 utc | 29

Josephus, on the destruction of the second temple.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 12:14 utc | 12
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So this was the first “holocaust” tale, spun with the expected jewish gusto

Posted by: ariadna | Aug 29 2024 15:23 utc | 30

@Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 29 2024 14:27 utc | 27
Go to the base of Masada and look up.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 15:32 utc | 31

@27
@1+@2 advocated genocide – “bright side”. It could be taken as sarcasm, which itself would be in some way delictive. We should not purposefully leave room for doubt on such matters, should we, for that it be taken as incitement.
Canuck was right to call him out in my opinion.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 29 2024 15:52 utc | 32

“All that happens is that the anxious, fearful soul is freed from all anxiety and fear, and begins to peck at the dead and slackening souls, to line up in battle, for martyrdom is the objective equivalent of life. We have no life, no glory, no history, no honor without the martyrs, and no present, no past, and no future without them.”
https://t.me/youseffares19/47458

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 29 2024 16:17 utc | 33

@Exile | Aug 29 2024 13:14 utc | 18

Note: false flags ?
1) in the Terror Attsck on the King David Hotel, the perps dressed up as Arabs.
2) the attack on the USS Liberty was first sold as an attack by Egypt.

3) Bombing of Norwegian government building and killing 69 young Labour party politicians 22. July 2011 at Utøya summer camp. Reward: Stoltenberg captured.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 29 2024 16:21 utc | 34

Pepe Escobar has a posting up at The Cradle
https://thecradle.co/articles/karbala-is-the-path-to-al-aqsa-an-iraq-diary
Just reading it myself….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2024 16:43 utc | 35

“Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma, a specialist and translator in Hebrew media
Saraya Al-Quds West Bank:
O masses of our steadfast and patient people, and free people of our nation and the peoples of the world, the usurping entity continues its terror, killing and destruction of everything related to the Palestinian cause without deterrence. In light of this, our people are doing what they can to defend themselves, their land and their rights, represented by their valiant resistance, which is writing the most wonderful epics. Accordingly, we emphasize the following:
First: We announce that we have moved in the operations of confronting and fighting in the battle of “camp terror” to the second stage, which depends on employing the land in the correct manner, rebuilding capabilities, setting up ambushes and detonating explosive devices, in a series of qualitative operations that we will detail.
Second: Our forces in the West Bank Brigades achieved a series of major military operations in the second phase that changed the course of the battle, most notably the death ambushes in Jenin and Tulkarm, and not the last of which was when our heroic fighters ambushed a group of occupation soldiers in Manshiyat al-Shuja’an in direct response to the assassination of the commander of the Tulkarm Battalion, Commander Abu Shuja’a, which led to the injury and killing of several Zionist soldiers in front of our people who witnessed the evacuation operations.
Third: The Zionist enemy, as usual, adopted a terrorist approach against our people in the cities of the West Bank as part of the policy of collective punishment to prevent them from refusing to live under occupation, as it burned homes and destroyed much of the infrastructure in addition to various acts of sabotage.
Fourth: These rounds will only increase our determination and resolve to continue defending our blessed land and expelling the occupation and fighting it everywhere on the homeland’s soil. They also enhance the collective spirit in fighting, unity of ranks and crushing the enemy. Look at its dead, wounded and destroyed vehicles during the battle that will no longer bring out of our camps except steadfast men and strong fighters.
Fifth: We assure you all that we are fine and that your resistance is steadfast and solid and will not be broken by the army of cowards. The illusion that the enemy is spreading, thinking that it will eliminate this pure march, is a great indication of its foolishness and ignorance of what is happening and what has been prepared for it on the ground today, tomorrow and even to the furthest extent. We will all see what we mean and the days will tell in due time what good tidings it will bring.
It is a jihad of victory or martyrdom.”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 29 2024 16:45 utc | 36

I was unable to link to the story, but Middle East Eye has an article up about the EU calling for a Gaza ceasefire to allow Palestinian children to receive polio vaccinations. Palestinians should be leery of this for a couple of reasons: (1) Israel is fanatically determined to murder all Palestinians, especially children, and if Israel is allowed anywhere near the vaccines it will be hard to resist poisoning them in order to kill more kids. And (2) polio vaccination campaigns have been used before by the USA to disguise military operations as with Osama Bin Ladin and a few months ago Israel used a food aid truck to hide a military operation in Gaza.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 29 2024 16:49 utc | 37

@Posted by: Chas | Aug 29 2024 16:49 utc | 37
Aaaand…it makes for good propaganda to broadcast that Hamas is not permitting polio vaccinations.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 16:52 utc | 38

Here is Chris Hedges recent interview with a top historian on WW1 and the fall of the multiethnic Empire and its roots of the current Middle East conflict: https://youtu.be/f9SPEbIcK2c?si=JS-XzSPcAFMku9Bj. Despite his 1/2 hour of obfuscating Hedges 2 questions on Zionism’s role I found it interesting. Nationalisn, an ideas espoused by the Young Turks, was clearly a European concept by the cabal of dubious origins. Ii must say, it is quite reminiscent of various the hodge podge of color revolutions In recent history., in fact the esteemed historian even cites an inexplicable uprising in Adana. I would also like to point out the famously isolationist US did not enter the War until 2 years after the genocide which as saving the Armenians was a cause Nellie of the shift in American sentiment in that era. Does any of this seem like an all to familiar pattern to anyone or is it just me?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 29 2024 16:54 utc | 39

Newbie 25 – having recently visited Ireland, both in the Republic and the occupied six counties, I can attest to the numerous Palestinian flags flying from homes and businesses and farms.
It truly an amazing sight to observe the level of support for Palestinian people in Ireland, during the IDF genocidal campaign. Not one Iraeli flag was sighted.
The Irish of all people have a great perspective on this, having suffered “An Gorta Mor”, the Great Death, at the hands of the British occupiers in eight hundred years of genocidal occupation, in which their faith, language and culture were actively repressed.
Just like in Gaza where all churches and mosques have been destroyed, so too were churches in Ireland destroyed, crops burned, forests leveled, and the faithful executed in the most horrendous of ways. The practice in Ireland was to place the heads of the Irish on pike poles at the entrance to the villages and towns to serve as a symbol of British dominance.
So too has the IDF destroyed schools and churches and mosques full of innocent civilians in order to show its dominance…..pure evil, pure war crimes………
Israel will pay a heavy price for its crimes, its inevitable………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 29 2024 17:10 utc | 40

Eddie Jaku was a good man.
He taught tolerance.
Unfortunately, he was also a carrier and earnest spreader of the victimhood virus.
The Holocaust as a teacher is kaput.
It should have taught us all that civilians are ever the main victim in war,
so war should not be the first choice or second, … or the one hundredth choice.
It should have taught us that all life is sacred
and that we all should watch out for each other,
we are all brothers and sisters.
Instead it taught narcissism of the worst form.
Victimhood and deep, deep, deep regard for only one’s self-interest.
Victimhood has been used extensively as a political weapon of extortion
and censorship.
The lesson that genocide can never be called self-defense
has been forgotten. Instead we have the grotesque hypocrisy that
protesting genocide is by some twisted logic anti-Jewish.
Eddie Jaku survived WWII and moved to Australia where
he wrote and co-founded a Sydney Jewish Museum.
Eddie Jaku passed away a few years ago at the age of 100+ .
Sadly, the museum he founded supports the Genocide.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 17:18 utc | 41

The attack on the USS Liberty by the IDF in 1967 was an intended false flag gone array…….dozens of USN sailors and support personnel were murdered and wounded in the attacks.
These attacks continued for over 12 hours, and were carried out by IDF PT boats and aircraft despite frequent communication from the Liberty crew on recognized international emergency channels, and the presence of large US flags on the ship.
The Sixth Fleet was ready to launch a rescue counter strike on IDF units until LBJ ordered them to stand down.
Interesting, the Israeli lobby had more torque in the WH than the USN…………..and by the way the IDF never fully indemnified the survivors and the families of the deceased, they only made token payments…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 29 2024 17:19 utc | 42

Catching up with:
“Richard Medhurst was detained at London’s Heathrow Airport on August 15, facing charges under Section 12 of the UK’s Terrorism Act of 2000. He was held at a police station for over 24 hours, where officers accused him of “allegedly expressing an opinion or belief that is supportive of a prescribed organization.” ”
In other words if anyone expresses an opinion that is also shared by a “prescribed organisation” then it is an offence. If someone says “free Palestine” or “Zionist genocide” then they are being supportive of a “prescribed organisation” .
That is really low, it is actually UK authority using those “prescribed organisations” for its own ends, which is completely hypocritical.
I try to figure out if they are that stupid not to realise that, or if it is on purpose to show their own importance, or if it is to confuse people, or if they take people as stupid or would like people to be stupid or pretend to be stupid , but it defeats me.
But here – they don’t get it, so simply : Stop supporting genocide, diplomatically isolate “Israel” , stop supplying weapons.
There is nothing not to get, and most of the UK population (that have to support your sorry service), understand before it is even spoken.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 29 2024 17:23 utc | 43

From live feed;
JERUSALEM POST (citing Misgav Institute poll): 58% of reserve soldiers have lost confidence in the Israeli Chief of Staff.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 17:24 utc | 44

@Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 17:18 utc | 41
victimhood virus spreads
continued…

In December 2023, we commissioned the acclaimed photographic artist Emmanuel Santos to visit Israel to document the impact of the October 7 massacre by Hamas, which took 1,200 lives and resulted in hundreds being taken hostage. These photographs are now the subject of our new exhibition: Into the Heartless Light of Darkness.

https://sydneyjewishmuseum.com.au/exhibition/into-the-heartless-light-of-darkness/

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 17:25 utc | 45

@Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 29 2024 17:19 utc | 42

14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total news blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: “You are never, repeat never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse.” Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, “Department of Defense will have no further comment.”

https://stationhypo.com/2016/06/08/remembering-the-crew-of-the-uss-liberty-agtr-5/

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 17:35 utc | 46

@ librul #41
You reminded me of a true anti-zionist jew I read about just yesterday. Haven’t gotten a chance to research his story in detail yet but this article is a good start.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/28/hiding-an-ugly-truth-about-israel/
Jonathan Cook on Tony Greenstein’s exposure of a glaring omission in a new biography of Rudolf Vrba, the first Jew to escape Auschwitz and an intense critic of the Zionist movement.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 17:54 utc | 47

@ Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 11:37 utc | 8
Indeed, it will not be over even if the last people in Gaza are exterminated. But it is worth looking at the details of how it won’t be over.
In my neighborhood by Philadelphia, there are many signs with the Israeli flag and the Hebrew inscription “yakhad nintsakh,” meaning “United we will be victorious.” This exactly expresses the main Zionist theme fitting in with their nationalist logic, that “victory” is their aim, and they will obtain it. This is reflective of their thoroughly obsolete, 19th-century thinking that they have never changed or deviated from, as if “victory” were possible in the interconnected world of today.
As Arch has said here, the issue is not just the Gazans, but the whole Palestinian people, who, thanks to their being expelled by Israel, are in a worldwide diaspora, and there is no chance of exterminating them all short of an all-out US-Russia nuclear war nearly exterminating the human race. Barring that, and assuming civilization continues, Israel will never, ever live down this genocide, which will reverberate on for a thousand years. Israel cannot have a 19th-century Bismarckian victory; it is out of its time, just as Zionist settler colonialism is also out of its time, and nothing the Zionists do will change that.
The problem is the Zionists’ nationalist logic. By that logic, only Zionists count in the world as human beings. Everyone else are either enemies, inert animals, or persons to be instrumentalized on behalf of the Zionists’ goals and then discarded as so much garbage. The horror of Gaza, and of Zionism in general, is only possible because of their temporary instrumentalization of the US and other so-called “western” countries. Each of those countries also has its own nationalist logic and similar nationalism, which never overlaps with the Zionist agenda one whit, as Israel is costly and detrimental to all, and eventually the bozo citizens of all those countries will figure that out, as many are beginning to, and then there will be hell to pay.
Unfortunately, the likeliest outcome at some future date is the nuclear annihilation of Israel with very few atomic devices, because it is so small, and with it most of the Palestinian population. That would indeed finally end the problem, although neither ethically nor humanely.
Oh, and Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, is itself profoundly anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish, hating of Judaism as a religion and the real religious Jews, the biggest promoter of antisemitism, without which it cannot exist, and self-hating because it arose out of Judaism, which it hates. Other nationalisms also partake of some of this hatred for their own true pasts and heritages, but Zionism takes the cake on that.

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 29 2024 18:02 utc | 48

I like your last paragraph cabe, too many people forget that.
Ironically, nuttyahoo and biden have done more in the past 10 months to promote real anti-jewish feelings than the all the neo-Nazi groups worldwide. I don’t use the term ‘anti-semitism’ because jews, Palestinians and arabs are all semites. Just another word usurped by the zionazis and twisted beyond recognition.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 18:28 utc | 49

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 29 2024 18:02 utc | 48
Well said.
Another dimension everyone is missing is that in (once again) allowing the murder of an entire people we (humankind) are reincarnating that very same multi-generational disease which gave birth to the Jewish ‘people’:
By this I mean that same mythos and sense of eternal victimhood and entitlement that permits them to believe they can erase amalek and take his land no matter who they define amalek to be and whatever land they consider “promised to them by god”.
Even if they succeed in erasing the entire Palestinian people, the Mythos of the Palestinian diaspora will perpetuate into eternity until it infects yet another entitled group who decide to set their sights on Palestine (Eretz Israel?).
And lo and behold they will arrive at the shores of Gaza, no matter how many centuries hence, perhaps at the head of an armada, perhaps at the head of an empire claiming:
“We are the children of those Palestinians, the true sons of the soil, whom you cast out so long ago and we have returned to claim our birthright”
Yes, in the destruction of the Palestinian people the so called Israelis sow the seeds of their own inevitable destruction.
There is no escape from that.
But perhaps we look too far ahead. As it stands, the so called Israelis seem to be having a surprising amount of trouble eradicating a people so helpless, so devoid of arms and means that it should have taken mere weeks to erase them from human memory.
Yet, for all the power of the Anglo Zionist empire (the entire West), there they still are, 75 or more years later.
An olive branch resisting a flamethrower.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 18:32 utc | 50

First they came for the Palestinians…..

Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 18:39 utc | 51

“to Canuck. Every time I begin to think that your knowledge on some subjects might make your presence worthwhile, you spout out some vulgar vicious hate speech. If you cannot show respect for your fellow flies, maybe you could think about showing some respect for your host who goes to great lengths to make this forum available.”
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 29 2024 14:27 utc | 27
Your criticism of myself is vague, inaccurate and undocumented; can you kindly please show me my alleged ” vulgar hate speech.”

Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 18:45 utc | 52

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 12:38 utc | 14
From the article you quoted:
The attacks have been compared to those of 9/11 in the US, when no-one had predicted that planes could be used as weapons. That was often called a “failure of imagination”.
LOL, indeed. IIRC on the VERY DAY that the planes hit the towers, there was an ongoing simulation of planes being used as weapons. Never mind the many times the idea had been discussed in the years prior.
RE: LIHOP on 10/7 or “failure of imagination/intelligence” – https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/02/klox-d02.html

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 18:56 utc | 53

“Dear Mr Lacy, I hereby inform you that canuk is known for spouting quite vitriolic noises (if one so desires they can be called speech)
Particularly against Josephus and an asshole (and I’m calling him that because canuk would frown if I called him a cunt without asserting the poster had one) that decided to make fun of the plight of the Palestinian people @2”
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 15:22 utc | 29
I write the way I talk-yes, I am a hick yet I am authentic. I can only advise posters whom are triggered by my salty language to avoid my posts.
Thank you newbie for recognizing the proper profane genital words by traditional by gender.
To buttress my argument on proper genital profanity let me give another reason: as a boy in SW Ontario in the 60’s we called a guy if he was an asshole, “a dink” (1) ; and we call each other ‘dicks’ or ‘pricks’, but never, ever called girls those names
We never, ever called a girl, ‘a dink’, a prick,’ or a ‘dick’
I rest my case.
1. I could not find any verification on slang dictionaries but I did find this tidbit on Reddit:
“I remember it being used when I was a kid in Canada as slang for penis or someone who’s an asshole back in the 70s/80s. Seems to have died out and been replaced with dick by the 90s.
“Ink pink you stink riding on a monster’s dink” “Stop being such a dink” “Gord’s dink got caught in his zipper”
Great word – we should revive it”

Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 19:15 utc | 54

Can we get back to this being the Palestine thread?
dink = dual income, no kids …..been there since the 60’s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2024 19:24 utc | 55

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 29 2024 18:02 utc | 48
Would you also claim that the Zionist Evangelicals have nothing to do with Christianity? There are so many Jews that claimed not to be Zionist but state that Israel is a Jewish homeland for inexplicable reasons. There are Jews who reject both Zionism and Israel who may fall into the “nothing to do with” category, but there aren’t many of them.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 29 2024 19:24 utc | 56

The United States and the Ottoman Empire were never at war during World War One. The Ottoman Empire broke off diplomatic relations with the US when the US declared war on Germany in the spring of 1917, but war between the two countries did not result.

Posted by: Lysias | Aug 29 2024 19:31 utc | 57

@ canuck re; profanity
I’ve always enjoyed the (Red Dwarf) smeghead and gimboid.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 19:34 utc | 58

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 29 2024 18:32 utc | 50
Well said as well.

Posted by: simon crow | Aug 29 2024 19:41 utc | 59

@ turk152 #56
I would easily say evangelicals have nothing to do with christianity, at least as espoused by mythical jesus, as he was the original socialist and humanist. The majority of whacko xians spend their lives believing and doing the exact opposite of what he preached.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 19:47 utc | 60

@ Turk 152 | Aug 29 2024 19:24 utc | 56
You are not wrong that most Jews are influenced by or under the spell of Zionism to a greater or lesser extent. And, yes, even Jews who might not designate themselves as Zionists are in fact that if they swallow the idea that the modern state of Israel is the Jewish homeland or even a Jewish homeland, as those are the same 19th-century nationalist ideas that constitute Zionism. Indeed, as observed by Rabbi Shapiro in The Empty Wagon and by others too, the very language has been corrupted by the infiltration of Zionist concepts and understandings. But that does not make Zionism legitimately Jewish. It has been called a heresy of Judaism, but you can only have a heresy when something of the original remains, and in Zionism what you have is only pure nationalism purified of any religious or other ethical concepts whatever, except only as window dressing. It is the absolute enemy of the Jews in just the same way as Ukrainian nationalism presided over by the Uniate Catholics of Lviv is the absolute enemy of the Ukrainians and has brought them nothing but grief.
So, some Jews, a small minority but nonetheless not a few, have completely repudiated Zionism. However, it is hard for others who think in their heart of hearts that Zionism was at least a mistake to go so far, and they also naturally tend to be hustled along by their more Zionist family members, and well as, more coercively, by dedicated Zionist enforcers. Yet circumstances are going to drive them toward a schism, as Zionist demands for ideological conformity from them become more shrill, and the religious Jews like Rabbi Shapiro will never abandon Judaism to Zionist appropriation, but they will have to fight the Zionists over it one way or another.
As for the Evangelical Christian Zionists or supporters of Zionism, the case is not quite the same, as they have made an eschatological religious doctrine out of the return of the Jews to Palestine. Nonetheless, such people are also not and cannot be sincere Christians, with their wicked and racist hatred of others, and they are also driven undoubtedly by materialist nationalist ideology, which makes them traitors to their own faith, particularly when they make Zionism an article of their faith, as they usually do. And just as with the Jews, those true believers who have kissed the idol have around them lots of less enthusiastic fellow-travelers, who are just as happy as can be to follow along with the Zionism when it doesn’t seem to be costing them anything. So yes, Evangelical Christian Zionists should also be denounced even by people outside of their belief system as hypocrites and enemies of the religion they claim to espouse.

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 29 2024 19:47 utc | 61

RE: LIHOP on 10/7 or “failure of imagination/intelligence” – https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/02/klox-d02.html
@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 18:56 utc | 53
A big THX. So good I have bookmarked it and made certain that it had been archived.
One concern though, the article quotes Seymour Hersh but I cannot locate the original
where Hersch actually said it.

Four days after the October 7 attack, veteran journalist Seymour Hersh reported that in the days preceding the attack, “local Israeli military authorities, with the approval of Netanyahu, ordered two of the three Army battalions, each with about 800 soldiers, that protected the border with Gaza to shift their focus to the Sukkot festival” taking place near the West Bank.
Hersh quoted a source who told him, “That left only eight hundred soldiers … to be responsible for guarding the 51-kilometer border between the Gaza Strip and southern Israel. That meant the Israeli citizens in the south were left without an Israeli military presence for ten to twelve hours. They were left to fend for themselves.”

A rather big piece of information, but not sourced.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 20:04 utc | 62

Posted by: Lysias | Aug 29 2024 19:31 utc | 57
“The NYT ran 145 articles on the Armenian Genocide in 1915, the coverage of this event was really large. The amount of attention given to this event, was significant, it was not an ignored event at all.” https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/american-response-armenian-genocide.
The US isn’t at war with Palestine, Iran, Lebanon or Yemen either. The Great Game isnt a simple matter.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 29 2024 20:04 utc | 63

A rather big piece of information, but not sourced.
@Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 20:04 utc | 62
Found it.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/netanyahu-is-finished
archive: https://archive.ph/3IA24

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 20:10 utc | 64

@Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 20:10 utc | 64
Hersh’s source had obvious flaws.
One example:

[October 12, 2023]
The option now under consideration, the Israeli insider told me, is to continue the isolation of Gaza City in terms of power supply and the delivery of food and other vital goods. “Hamas now only has a two- or three-day supply of purified water and that, along with a lack of food,” I was told, “may be enough to flush all the Hamas out.” At some point, he said, Israel may be able to negotiate the release of some prisoners—women and children—in return for food and water.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 20:12 utc | 65

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 29 2024 19:47 utc | 61
Thank you Sir,
Your post has helped me understand why it was so difficult to bring two groups together in my local area for a COMMON GROUND AGAINST GENOCIDE RALLY this coming Labour Day weekend.
Such a simple thing to stand in solidarity against tyranny no matter our differences.
Lamentably, such an impossible thing.

Posted by: simon crow | Aug 29 2024 20:46 utc | 66

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 29 2024 19:47 utc | 61
I respect your sentiments but forgive me if I see Zionism as merely an excuse.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 29 2024 20:51 utc | 67

heads up
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1829137080858919156
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
If you are a #UK citizen or a citizen of a nation that considers specific organisations to be terrorists, read this:
In addition to the criminal actions taken by Israel against Palestinian civilians, the situation has drawn significant international attention and scrutiny, particularly from human rights activists who continue to champion the Palestinian cause. One such figure is British activist @swilkinsonbc , a long-standing advocate for Palestinian rights. Her dedication to the cause has led to her being targeted by the UK counter-terrorism police, who arrested her under the Terrorism Act (read below). This law is notorious for its broad scope. It allows authorities to detain any individual or activist accused of supporting an organisation deemed “terrorist,” even when the support is intended for legitimate resistance against occupation, as recognised by international law.
The arrest of Sarah Wilkinson serves as a stark reminder of the challenges faced by those activists, commentators, “social media journalists,” and individuals who stand in solidarity with oppressed populations, mainly when their activism is framed in the context of resistance against an occupying power.
The UN Charter itself upholds the right to resist occupation. Yet, activists like Sarah must navigate a complex legal landscape where their words and actions can be criminalised if not carefully articulated. This has created an environment where the support for Palestinian rights is fraught with legal and political risks, particularly in Western countries where the discourse around resistance is tightly controlled.
In light of these developments….”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 29 2024 21:06 utc | 68

Not just UK, happens in Aussieland too:
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/28/acclaimed-journalist-charged-with-anti-semitism/
Mary Kostakidis, for years the face of television news in Australia as anchor of the SBS nightly broadcast, has been accused of supporting ethnic cleansing of Jews for two retweets about Israel’s war on Gaza, reports Joe Lauria.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 21:13 utc | 69

michaelj72 @ 68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjElXURizXc
Roger Waters agrees with you emphatically!

Posted by: simon crow | Aug 29 2024 21:29 utc | 70

“alleged israeli strike”
you know you are reading propaganda by the BBC when it lies, I mean equivocates, like this…..
in fact, I believe that in a just and equitable world, many people at the BBC would be on trial for their support of the apartheid state and its genocide, ethnic cleansing and outright murders of poor Palestinians.
https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1829208807878373675
Owen Jones @owenjonesjourno
Let’s speak clearly here, who the fuck else does the BBC think is conducting airstrikes in Gaza
BBC News (World) @BBCWorld
Blogger who documented life in Gaza killed in alleged Israeli strike

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 29 2024 21:29 utc | 71

“The compulsion to lie when literally everyone knows you are lying is the defining political pathology of our time…”
— Jeffrey St Clair

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 29 2024 21:43 utc | 72

Well, shit. The PA (the governing body of the West Bank) is arresting Palestinians it accuses of being “fighters” and spreading rumors or making accusations about other Palestinian people on behalf of the Israelis. The PA is rightly hated; they have worked in tandem with the Israeli military for decades.
The below was just posted on al Jazeera’s live-blog:
——————-
Hamas condemns Palestinian Authority moves against fighters
Hamas slammed the Palestinian Authority (PA) for what it said was the arrest of fighters in the occupied West Bank, as Israel undertakes a massive assault on the territory.
The group said in a statement that it condemns the arrest of fighters in the Nablus governorate, including former prisoners held in Israeli jails. It also denounced “defamation campaigns” that it said have included spreading rumours and fabricated accusations.
“We call on the PA to immediately cease these practices, to restrain its Security Forces from targeting our resistance fighters, to release all political detainees from its prisons, and to direct these forces to unite in the true field of confrontation to defend our people and our land.”
——————————-

Posted by: teri | Aug 29 2024 22:06 utc | 73

Today’s article from PCR references b many times:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/08/29/the-final-extermination-of-palestine-has-begun/

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 22:36 utc | 74

Polio vaccines for kids, imagine if they are actually for birth sterilization. No one would see the evidence for years
or even decades. The Israelis would shrug, “wasn’t us”. The US would shrug, “the evidence is unclear”.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 22:47 utc | 75

@Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 22:36 utc | 74
Does that mean that PCR might be visiting our comments?
Hello, Dude.

Posted by: librul | Aug 29 2024 22:50 utc | 76

michaelj72 | Aug 29 2024 21:06 utc | 68 ….
And yet it is legal for Starmer the UK “PM”, to openly declare his unconditional, unhesitating support for Zionism and whatever Israel does, including its genocidal actions — which he does no even regard as criminal.
Starmer likes to use words such as “hate” and “terrorism” against his opponents, whether so-called “left’ or ‘right’ wing … yet however allegedly extreme, could any critic of the squalid sadist-golem in Downing Street be more an example of either term than Starmer is himself?
The coming winter will boost Starmer’s already manic delusions of self-righteousness, since the lives of the poor, ill and elderly in Britain are to be (literally) sacrificed to help sponsor the Khazarian Nazis to victory in Ukraine, and likewise his Talmudic Nazi — trading as Zionist — masters in the Middle East.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 29 2024 23:09 utc | 77

After Richard Medhirst, now a second British journalist has been arrested for protesting the Gaza genocide:
https://youtu.be/GUh1t9PwjUg?si=3EPcKk-dp4XCgn1d
Meanwhile U.S. universities have spent the summer holidays preparing administrative and legal weapons against students protesting Gaza atrocities, ready to label even the use of the word “Zionist” as antisemitic.
https://youtu.be/_U8rMlFPKhU?si=PV3TsedhlJ4tpiRq
Angloworld has gone Zionazi, this is a simple objective fact. I’ve left Great Shitain and will never return.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 29 2024 23:17 utc | 78

Hi calling British bobbys (police).
Wanna arrest me for licking Netanyahu’s butthole with an insufficient number of strokes?
We’ll go ahead. Here’s my address where you can find me:
666 Shit Lane
Shittington
Shitshire SH1 YTE
Great Shitain

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 29 2024 23:26 utc | 79

Since andy on a previous thread made this nice AI song from my poem “Gaza’s not a bug but a feature”
https://loudme.ai/m/cm0e0qmnv02c9opc5o8wu5u7u
I added one more verse
Gaza’s not a bug it’s a feature
Take it from the mad street preacher
Truth is to buy and to sell
We make the heaven and hell

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 29 2024 23:33 utc | 80

The polio circulating in Gaza is a vaccine-induced wild type2 virus that was caused because of mistakes the WHO made when it chose its vaccine guidelines in 2016. By 2020, cases of polio were happening in many countries in Africa, as well as Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. These cases are exactly the same type as is now in Gaza. The WHO, under a Bill Gates initiative (anyone surprised to see that name?), chose to leave the Type 2 virus out of its vaccine – thus leaving the recipients of the vaccine unprotected from that strain – and now the type 2 has mutated and spread on its own.
I don’t think Israel cares much if Palestinian children get polio, but I’m pretty sure they don’t want Zionist babies to get it; and it is likely to spread into Israel, where people would be susceptible, assuming Israel used the same WHO vaccine that is causing the problem. That fact probably explains Israel’s willingness to let the vaccines into Gaza. Besides, it doesn’t cost Israel anything – the WHO will foot the bill.
Here’s a pretty good article about it:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/behind-gaza-polio-case-experts-see-horrible-who-decision-fueling-outbreaks-worldwide/#:~:text=The%20polio%20strain%20in%20question,of%20preventing%20vaccine%2Dderived%20outbreaks.

Posted by: teri | Aug 29 2024 23:38 utc | 81

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/29/israel-airstrike-aid-convoy-gaza
Just saw this shit.
The Zionists are the enemy of humanity. Never forget!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 30 2024 0:22 utc | 82

Chain of strikes on southern Lebanon, low flights over Beirut. West bank series of raids.
Repeating the set of local Palestine links…
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 30 2024 0:27 utc | 83

the Western powers have lost control of the narrative; now trying to suppress the pro-Palestinian movements and the anti-war movements against their illegal and immoral support of israel’s continued and increasing genocide, ethnic cleansing, and crimes against humanity…..
Not too surprising that they now feel the need to arrest journalists and dissident activists; is it too strong of language to call them proto-fa*cists? the Uk warmongers are among the worst
https://x.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1829132144116953375
Kit Klarenberg 🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻 @KitKlarenberg
Be under no illusions arrests of @RichiMedhurst and Sarah just the beginning of a major crackdown on dissidents in Britain. The government has lost control of the narrative on Gaza and Ukraine to such an extent that mass detention is all they’ve got left in their arsenal.
https://x.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1829116068226355338
And now the genocide-complicit British state has swooped on @swilkinsonbc for supporting the Resistance and factually exposing the Zionist entity’s 21st century Holocaust in Gaza. Who’ll be next?
Bears repeatedly – endlessly – we are living in an age of brazen tyranny. No longer is the West concerned about negative optics of draconian, undemocratic, illiberal actions. They make zero effort to conceal this stuff. And they’re unconcerned about consequences. God help us all.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 30 2024 1:03 utc | 84

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 29 2024 23:17 utc | 78
What’s mind-bending about the whole thing is that it was the anti-semites that favored the creation of Israel. A place for the pesky Jews to go.
As an ex used to say: “Israel, Hitler’s last wish.”

Posted by: JAB | Aug 30 2024 1:07 utc | 85

There goes your faith in crypto along with your ‘Western Values’:
https://cryptobriefing.com/binance-palestine-wallet-freeze-allegations/

FUD. Only a limited number of user accounts, linked to illicit funds, were blocked from transacting. There have been some incorrect statements about this. As a global crypto exchange, we comply with internationally accepted anti-money laundering legislation, just like any other financial institution. We will continue to educate users on how to safely and securely transact on our platform.Most importantly, we hope for a lasting peace throughout the region.

Not your keys = Not your coins. Binance is obviously another organ of the Western Military Imperial Complex.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 30 2024 1:13 utc | 86

@231, @248.
None of the things US did to “fix” the 2003 Kuwait shot downs are in the “Kiev” AD network?
Or the fixes have holes that should worry US/NATO AWACS and Army/ground AD operators!
Maybe “Kiev’s” Patriots shoot off their short range radar, without a cue from long range AD sensors? Maybe Kiev Patriots fire on their own.
Whoever “Kiev” is that runs Patriots in that area.
Tactics techniques and procedures (TTP) are hard to give with high tech gear!
Imagine how many of their MiGs and SU’s they have mistaken!
TTP for either the F-16 or the AD……
It tkes a cool head to restart a P&W flameout machine!

Posted by: paddy | Aug 30 2024 1:52 utc | 87

what a pathetic and vile nation israel is
https://x.com/TameeOliveFern/status/1829269856962961829
Tameem | تميم @TameeOliveFern
Oopsies, we fired TEN HEAD-LEVEL SHOTS at a clearly marked UN World Food Programme in Gaza due to a communication error
Here’s The Times of Israel headline from the news article commented upon by Tameem above:
Israel tells US shots were fired at WFP vehicle in Gaza due to ‘communication error’

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 30 2024 2:10 utc | 88

If Obama has got dirt on Joe Biden to force him to pursue a genocidal war against Europe in Ukraine and a genocidal war against Islam in West Asia, how much more leverage will Obama have to harrass Harris the slave trader? Unlimited, I would think.
Trump is by contrast difficult to blackmail, because he is fairly upfront about his peccadilloes, including his racist streaks.
Maybe Trump helping Israel in exchange for power is more honest than any Democrat fronting for Obama.
Obama created ISIS to squeeze oil out of Kurdistan and destroyed Libya, the richest country in Africa, two countries with equivalent oil deposits.
At least Trump is sane, while Obama is totally captured and Brainwashed by whoever runs the US. What I am thinking from reading this Palestine thread is that world opinion against Israel’s genocide means that Palestine is winning , and USUKIS is stuffed by its publicly doing the opposite of its good humanitarian reputation.
The US and UK have publicly declared their intention to march towards the Pacific, trashing Asia on the way.
Four years of Trump might frustrate and delay those outrageous, hegemonic plans, in the same way as it delayed the long planned war in Ukraine.
In that 4 years of Trump, Russia armed herself , and China would be able to do the same. If Palestine and the China-united Sunni-Shi’a axis of Resistance can handle Israel and teach it a lesson, four years of Trump might similarly be able to delay the megalomania of the insane Globalists and their brainwashed minions.
The whole world’s disgust at the USraeli genocide, combined with the outrage of the entire Muslim Ummah, is enough , with Allah’s Help to defeat Israel .

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 30 2024 2:11 utc | 89

JAB 85
And which orifice did she use to say that one?

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 30 2024 2:15 utc | 90

Expanding the Battlefield – Resistance Roundup – Day 328<
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/expanding-the-battlefield-resistance-roundup-day-328/
Comment – Sputhetn Fromt;high level of action. Eastern Front; dramatic escalation of fighting with IEDs being used lavishly. iDF ground pounders getting ambushed. Northern Front 8 strikes
Merkava tally unchanged at 210

Posted by: Exile | Aug 30 2024 3:31 utc | 91

Teri@2206
Long proven method as to how to deal with P.A. terrorist goon squad members: A young woman sashays up to the uniformed thug in a friendly sorta manner. With his attention nicely diverted, the man she is working with slips up from behind the stooge and draws a piano wire around his throat and gives it a yank.
Object lesson for quislings who work for the enemies of humanity against their own people.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 30 2024 4:25 utc | 92

Canuck@54, in Britain in the gang culture a cunt is a familiar term. It means several things.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 30 2024 5:05 utc | 93

Re: Quislings
During that other Apartheid, the term necklacing was used. From Wikipedia:

….. Necklacing is a method of extrajudicial summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire drenched with petrol around a victim’s chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The term “necklace” originated in the 1980s in black townships of apartheid South Africa where suspected apartheid collaborators were publicly executed in this fashi…….

Posted by: Exile | Aug 30 2024 8:56 utc | 94

So the (dis)information, even the alternative pro-Palestinian one (which continues to talk about 40 thousand victims) unwittingly betrays itself. If there were previously over 2 million (N.B. 2.2) inhabitants and now they have all crowded into an area of ​​41 km2 and there are 30-34 thousand per km2, as The United Nation warn, then in total they are 30,000 x 41 = 1,230,000 to 34,000 x 41 = 1,394,000. That is, 800 thousand to 1 million are missing, which are (subtracted the 200/300 thousand remained in the North) the exterminated ones estimated by me.
Not even the alternative information has any interest in telling the truth. And it continues undaunted with the 40 thousand. Why? Because otherwise someone would ask themselves, on October 7th: “but was it worth it?”. And if they were also told that the October 7th operation was agreed with the “Chosen”…

Posted by: Cumino | Aug 30 2024 9:18 utc | 95

Cumino 95
Of course, the appeasement of a Nazi by trying not to disgrace them with the real disgustingmess of their violence rings bells.
USUKISEU arrogance of thinking they can punch above their weight. Iran is kicking USUKISEU out of West Asia, their tiny egos are like bloated sheep ticks , saturated with cheap , Muslim oil.
I am so happy to live at a time when the polytheist West, with its Chronos Father, Zeus, Son , theology, transposed onto God the Father, and Jesus AS and his Archangel mate Gabriel AS , ( may Allah’s Blessings and Happiness be with them ), Trinity, is going to get kicked off the planet for its eschatalogical Roman Paganism and hubris.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 30 2024 10:00 utc | 96

Cumino,
How many Israelis were killed by Helicopter gunships and Merkava tank fire on 7th October ?
My rough reckoning of KIA is:
350 IDF Fighters
250 Settler Paramilitary
400 Israeli civilians
200 Al-Qassem Soldiers

Posted by: Exile | Aug 30 2024 11:11 utc | 97

Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 19:15 utc | 54
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Those words are all coloquial low-key words coming from the “English” British language known term as ‘slang’.
But for Kanada being a colony of the British empire nothing surprises me.

Posted by: AI | Aug 30 2024 12:04 utc | 98

to Canuck. Post # 9. top “librul”. Ditto buddy. I think you missed the point. to aristodemos, Arch Bungle, Jane, Miguel72, and especially the Miffedmicrobiologist, thanks for the laughs. Vulgarity is not the same as logical or factual argument. Sayonara.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 30 2024 12:57 utc | 99

The west must realize that’s jews completely run and control it.
The sovereign is the one who can take unilateral action.
Everyone else can only talk or protest.
The jewish trick is to pretend they too can only talk.
So long as they rule the world hidden, the gulf between their talk and action will remain insultingly large.

Posted by: ryanggg | Aug 30 2024 13:13 utc | 100