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August 25, 2024
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Merkel in 2015 probably acted as a genuine “Christian democrat” and thinking it would help erasing German guilt somehow. But another factor is that a high degree of consanguinity among the Western Germans had resulted in a lot of genetic diseases in the population.
Posted by: Tom | Aug 26 2024 7:33 utc | 82
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I just read a review in the London Review of Books of the book “Verfassungsschutz: We der Geheimdienst Politik Macht,” by Ronan Steinke. It is quite incredible how the supposed “protection of the constitution” pendles between banning parties on the left and then those on the right—all to keep German politics firmly reined in by those who represent the supposed “middle.” Basically, herded to the “the middle.”
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n16/wolfgang-streeck/anti-constitutional
(Right now it is not behind a paywall.)
The rationale for the existence of the Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz (Ministry for Protection of the Constitution) is to elminate dangers or threats to the German state. Actually, the concept and the name is quite Orwellian.
Currently the BfV is trying to criminalize and ban the AfD and its members from participation in the German political process, even though they command over 16% of the votes in recent elections. I findn this comparable to how the supposed Democratic “center” has, since 2015, tried to delegitimize and “cancel” from national politics not only Donald Trump and his MAGA followers but the whole Republican party.
Merkel supposedly represents the “approved” middle, but IMO her actions in 2015 were actually pretty extreme, arbitrary, not backed up by any democratic processes such as votes in the various legislatures. In fact, dictatorial.
Certainly not in the interests of the German people nor the German state.
The description in this review, by Wolfgang Streeck, of the history, the premises, and the activities of the BfV are chilling. Definitely authoritarian, tending toward totalitarian. All to “defend the constitution and the state.” Questioners of the covid hoax—which many would say started in Germany, and the questioning of the whole thing in my recollection also started in Germany, with some experiments done by graduate students in I think Bonn.
I have always found it confusing that the Ministry to Protect the Constitution is also the German “Geheimdienst”—Secret Service, which I guess is a spy operation?
In Germany now, questioning Israel’s “right to exist” is basically a punishable thought crime. The genocide in Gaza is supported by the German state and its spying apparatus. Ditto forced inoculations of mRNA concoctions.
I guess this is OT on this thread. The comment, prompted by the migrant issue, became longer than intended. Apologies!
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 11:11 utc | 101
Colin 89
” Settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque and perform Talmudic prayers and dances.
Settlers perform what is called “epic prostration” in groups, led by senior rabbis and under the protection of israeli occupation forces.,”
Thousands of civilisations through the millennia have performed epic prostration to their particular totem deity. The Zionist totem deity is a plot of land where their druids can make blood sacrifice.
It was explained in the Gospels very clearly that Worship means to listen to God’s Word and obey it. Everything else is self-worship, the inner satisfaction of submitting to what the Qur’an calls Tyrants/ Taghut.
Actual worship is Not killing, Not stealing , Not envying , Not fornicating, not abusing parents, and worshipping God with all your HEART and all your INTELLECT and all your inner sense of THANKS to our Creator.
Otherwise a trip to Stonehenge might be more convenient, if all you want is to belong to a cult.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 11:23 utc | 102
It is clear now that cease-fire talks have collapsed.
https://ijr.com/ceasefire-is-dead-biden-admin-shifts-focus-to-freeing-hostages-in-gaza-as-chances-of-israel-hamas-ceasefire-crumble/
Now the rotting zombie Biden admin is going to try and get a hostage deal? You cannot make this shit up. The
real plan is to lie, lie, lie until election day that they’re “feverishly” working to get a deal.
What a bunch of filthy liars!! The DC weapons will keep flowing into Tel-Aviv.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 26 2024 11:29 utc | 103
But another factor is that a high degree of consanguinity among the Western Germans had resulted in a lot of genetic diseases in the population.
Posted by: Tom | Aug 26 2024 7:33 utc | 82
I have never heard of this.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 26 2024 11:33 utc | 104
An aside about China, a not entirely irrelevant backdrop to Palestine.
Specifically the China economic supernova and the west shattering in its shockwave.
There’s “a certain middle eastern nation” that we will call ACMEN.
The west (Europe, USA, Japan, South Korea etc.) have dominated global trade for centuries
but that’s over now with the rise of China.
How so?
Western economic and technological development were sailing along just fine till back in about the 1970’s.
Then a kind of business philosophy arose out of ACMEN.
This philosophy has actually been part of ACMEN for centuries.
This philosophy was entitled “money matters people don’t” (MMPD).
MMPD philosophy from ICMEN became itself a successful export,
MMPD was eagerly accepted in the west.
As decades followed, MMPD became the foundational principle of the western nations,
even as the originator of MMPD, ACMEN, developed closer and closer political ties with the west.
The deeper MMPD became embedded in every thought, word and deed of westerners,
the stronger the bond between the west and ACMEN became.
Till eventually there was no dividing ACMEN from the west and from MMPD.
The three were all a continuous whole.
So businesses were all run only to maximise profit for landlords,
with all objectives of quality, skills, human resources strictly subordinate to the imperative of MMPD.
Not much focus on supply chains,
not much focus on skills, education or training,
not much focus on resource strategy,
Total focus on profits and dividends.
However on another side of the world, China never accepted MMPD.
Not even remotely. MMPD offended all instincts and philosophy of the Chinese nation.
So China went on to provide us with a control experiment.
Very helpful of them.
West: development with MMPD, China: development without MMPD.
China developed an industrial and technological economy that was devoid of any trace of MMPD.
Any trace of the culture and philosophy of ACMEN and the west.
For a log time China, starting from a poor and undeveloped base,
was either ignored or exploited for cheap labour.
But China kept on growing and growing in a different way, without MMPD-philosophy.
By the 2020’s and after the pandemic, people round the world started waking up to a new reality.
China was the only country with a functioning supply chain for its manufacturing industry.
China was the only country whose education system was providing the skilled workforce needed for hi-tech industry.
China was the only country whose cultural and economic philosophy supported the existence of a skilled workforce.
All in all China was disappearing over the horizon ahead of the west in one technology industry after another.
They are the only country who can make electric vehicles properly and economically.
And so on and so on.
The west’s decision to embrace MMPD philosophy from ACMEN and fuse itself effectively with ACMEN,
has caused its culture and working philosophy to become uncompetitive in the world of 2024.
This uncompetitiveness comes more sharply into view with every week that passes,
and is only going to grow wider and wider into an uncross-able gulf.
The whole world owes a debt of gratitude to ICMEN,
and what ICMEN has done to the economy of the west by sowing the MMPD philosophy so successfully;
To the west’s the economy and, eventually, inevitably, to the west’s imperialistic hegemony over the rest of the world.
Too late for buyer’s remorse, even for you, sir.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 26 2024 11:37 utc | 105
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Islamism, fighting for the tyrant / taghut USUKIS in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Sudan, ,Somalia, Libya, Syria, or Iraq is not jihad.
But when USUKIS the tyrant/ taghut is throwing its full weight of terror against the innocent Muslim owners of Palestine, where are the Islamists?
Lost their tongues for issuing their fartwas from their taghuts’ backsides. Where is Brett McGurk ?
On holiday?. Busy organising Zionists in the West Bank and Azovists in Ukraine?
I thought he was supposed to be in charge of the Middle East. Planning the war on China now that the Israeli genocide is all going to plan?
Somebody ate the meat out of the snail called Blinken a long time ago. Blinken is there only to ensure that nothing is ever done. McGurk is the action man, but he just happens to be on the receiving end of the Resistance action and keeping a low profile.
Maybe he’s in Tehran trying to buy Iran?
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 11:55 utc | 106
“The West (Europe, USA, Japan, South Korea etc.) have dominated global trade for centuries..”
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 26 2024 11:37 utc | 105
No you have distorted history with that inaccurate statement.
China had the biggest economy from 1,000 BC till around 1800 AD when the UK overtook it-in 2014 in the second quarter of 2014-as documented by the Economist- China, once again, became once again the world’s largest economy as measured by the most accurate measurement of a Sovereigns’ economy- PPP-Purchasing Power Parity.
Hence, in the ‘big picture’ the West’s economic dominance was but an anomaly not the dominance you suggest.
China’s being again the largest new economic power is but a ‘return to the mean’.
The footage did look a bit like the fl8ght of an “iron dome” firecracker.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 26 2024 8:20 utc | 87
Which tale is the more plausible?
The one you choose is a matter of faith in the end.
Where does your faith lie?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 26 2024 12:03 utc | 108
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in the old days when important folks character died as in on the news they went to the admiral bird place beyond Falklands beyond little America in Truman show town.
I wonder where Kissinger is Evelyne and Jacob
bob Maxwell fled the toad lived in is ra hell heil.
mcalpine fled to his lovely large home in Italy. lord Lukan and Greville janner Ukrainia
the house of sand and emirates Qatar are donmeh anglo usa usa Wall Street city of London satan corporation beholden these
wahabbi. are mi6 cia actors
Posted by: byron | Aug 26 2024 12:15 utc | 109
Andrew Sarchus 105
MMPD and ACMEN.
China hates People Don’t Matter, it’s the West’s political class that is in love with it. It is the entire Collective Western political class, USUKIS +++ that is Chorusing People Don’t Matter over the ACMEN genocide of Palestine.
Why try and pin the blame for that on China? You must be a born again US Communism detestor to think you can get away with that tripe here on MoA.
Don’t you feel any blogger remorse for introducing US election trivia into the Genocide thread? Sigh.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 12:16 utc | 110
I realised how the news is manufactured to order when we travelled the entire length of the Syrian-Turkish border and skirted round Mosul in total safety at the height of the Syrian War.
USUKIS creates narratives about its military operations that
Israel is about to collapse, when the reality is that military events on the ground are crafted and wargamed by multinational military planners.
Nothing is out of control in these wars. Fearmongering was called 4th generation warfare. MSM announced that the WTC had been hit , before it had been hit. And that Mosul had been taken by Daesh long before it had actually been taken.
Fuck the rump-fed roynons of MI6 and the media.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 12:35 utc | 111
Giyane
You misunderstood my post.
It is PRO China
and anti west-ACMEN
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 26 2024 12:51 utc | 112
SCENE III
A heath near Forres. Thunder.
Enter the three Witches.
First Witch.
Where hath thou been, sister?
Sec. Witch.
Killing swine.
Third Witch.
Sister, where thou?
First Witch.
A sailor’s wife had chestnuts in her lap,
And munch’d, and munch’d, and munch’d:–‘Give me,’ quoth I:
‘Aroint thee, witch!’ the rump-fed ronyon cries.
Her husband’s to Aleppo gone, master o’ the Tiger:
The intelligence agencies have the satanic role of seeing the unseen through hidden cameras and audio recorders.
Their reports are , like the satanic, a mix of truth and lies, drama and fiction.
Their purpose is simply to misinform and scare the suffering victims of criminal warfare.
Listen to them and they will mislead you, and incapacitate you with fear.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 12:58 utc | 113
Jane @ 101
An insightful frame. Thank you.
The unprecedented hybrid tyranny unleashed on a global scale during the years 2020-2022 is the context behind the seemingly normalized mass murder of civilians in Ukraine and Palestine. Not OT at all imo, but you are correct that there is a resistance at this Bar to go there. I don’t blame them. Much easier to understand the world prior to 2020 and apply it to 2024.
Posted by: simon crow | Aug 26 2024 13:16 utc | 114
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 26 2024 3:58 utc | 69
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 26 2024 8:20 utc | 87
Jon is correct on this one. One Israeli naval crewman was killed and two were injured from a malfunctioned iron dome interceptor. Launch hundreds of rockets, or interceptors and some will malfunction. Well, except hamas. Their rockets would never malfunction and hit a hospital parking lot. Just have faith and you can believe hamas is winning.
https://x.com/sadaldbebey2024/status/1827678159837282333
https://x.com/fidayiy2020/status/1827688311261159545
But the best one is the Nasrallah/Colonel Sanders comparison.
Posted by: crimson | Aug 26 2024 13:21 utc | 115
Andrew Sarchus 112
Mea culpa. Sorry.
MMPD didn’t exist when I was a child. It was imported from the US by Thatcher but the only connection to Israel is the Zionist Banksters.
Thatcher preached from.a Church pulpit that the Gospels teaching that we are each responsible for our own sins and we will be called to account for them on Judgement Day, actually means that we have to keep up with our neighbours by borrowing on bank interest.
People say is bankrupt. No, Israel gets all the interest from all the mortgages in the Western world.
It’s floating on a cloud of illegal cash.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 13:28 utc | 116
Simplicius has an excellent post up on the state of things in “Israel” AND he gives a shoutout and to MoA!
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israels-path-of-peril?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1351274&post_id=148098423&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=gjqol&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 26 2024 13:33 utc | 117
I find Erdogan’s role in supplying Israel Oil is exaggerated. I also welcome facts, rather than the usualTurkey bashing.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 25 2024 23:50 utc | 50
When the Ottoman empire was dismantled- a new evil force took over:
I wonder if this maybe can explain Erdogans reluctance to act in Gaza. With a combination of heritage, carrot and stick, and the usual bribes for the oligarcs and his own family, he uphold this old treaty.
And please excuse my english.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaat_Pasha
From the article:
Freemason 33grade
Talaat Pasha was a member of the Bektashi order[23][138][139] and a 33° freemason[140] and first became a member of the Salonica Freemason Lodge Macedonia Risorta in 1903[141] during his time in the Ottoman Balkans. He was also the first Grand Master of the society.[142][143] He used both organizations as channels for his anti-Hamidian activism, as they were inaccessible for the spies of Yıldız Palace.[23][138]
Talaat Pasha or Talat Pasha,[b] was an Ottoman Young Turk activist, politician, and convicted war criminal who served as the de facto leader of the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1918.
His salary was not high, so he worked after hours as a Turkish language teacher in the Alliance Israelite School which served the Jewish community of Adrianople.[21] At the age of 21 Talaat was involved in a love affair with the daughter of the Jewish headmaster for whom he worked.[22]
Coup/ Color Revolution
the 1908 Young Turk Revolution, he was elected as a deputy from Adrianople to the Chamber of Deputies and later became Minister of the Interior. He played an important role in the downfall of Sultan Abdul Hamid II the next year during the 31 March Incident by organizing a counter government.
Genozide
on 30 May 1915 promulgated the Temporary Law of Deportation; these events initiated the Armenian genocide. He is widely considered the main perpetrator of the genocide,[4][5][6][7][8] and is thus held responsible for the death of around 1 million Armenians.
On 2 August 1915 Talaat told him that “that our Armenian policy is absolutely fixed and that nothing can change it. We will not have the Armenians anywhere in Anatolia. They can live in the desert but nowhere else.”
The hatred between the Turks and the Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finish with them. If we don’t, they will plan their revenge.[80]
War with russia
Talaat and Enver were influential bringing the Ottoman Empire into the First World War.
he personally negotiated the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Bolsheviks, regaining parts of Eastern Anatolia which were occupied by Russia since 1878, and won the race to Baku on the Caucasus front.
«And the Bolsheviks were of cource the ones that are now perpetrating genozide in Gaza»
In a play of zugzwang after the Balfour Declaration, Talaat reproached with the Zionist movement, promising to open up Jewish immigration to Jerusalem.[94] This promise did not reflect ground conditions, as his first year as Grand Vizier saw the loss of Jerusalem and Baghdad.
Escaping Turkie
With Enver, Cemal, Nazım, Şakir, Azmi, and Osman Bedri, he fled the Ottoman capital on a German torpedo boat that night where they landed in Sevastopol, Crimea and scattered from there.
Talaat, Nazım, Şakir and some other Turkish officers wound up in Berlin on 10 November, the day after Kaiser Wilhelm II fled the city due to the November Revolution. The new chancellor, Friedrich Ebert of the SPD, signed the documents secretly allowing Talaat asylum in Germany,
He was also able to travel to Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, and Denmark. In all of these visits, he lobbied against the new Allied world-order, specifically against their designs on the Ottoman Empire.[99]
Marrige
Talaat married Hayriye Hanım (1895–1983) (later known as Hayriye Talat Bafralı), an Albanian girl from Yanya (Ioannina) on 19 March 1910.[133] Talaat met Hayriye in 1909, while she was studying in the French girls’ Lycée Notre Dame de Sion in Constantinople.[35] He learned to speak French in the Israelite School at Salonika, and picked up Greek from his wife.
He was shot in Berlin
Funeral
Invitations from Hayriye and the Orient Club were sent to Talaat’s funeral, and on 19 March, he was buried in the Alter St.-Matthäus-Kirchhof in a well-attended ceremony.[118][114] At 11:00 a.m., prayers led by the imam of the Turkish embassy, Şükri Bey, were held at Talaat’s apartment. Afterwards, a large procession accompanied the coffin to Matthäus, where he was interred.[114] Many prominent Germans paid their respects, including former foreign ministers Richard von Kühlmann and Arthur Zimmermann, along with the former head of Deutsche Bank, the ex-director of the Baghdad railway, several military personnel who had served in the Ottoman Empire during the war and August von Platen-Hallermünde, attending on behalf of the exiled Kaiser Wilhelm II.[117]
Legacy
Biographer Hans-Lukas Kieser states that many Jews engaged in “open propaganda for him and CUP causes” despite Talaat’s involvement in genocide, and that this continued even after his death into the late twentieth century.[146]
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 26 2024 13:35 utc | 118
But another factor is that a high degree of consanguinity among the Western Germans had resulted in a lot of genetic diseases in the population.
Posted by: Tom | Aug 26 2024 7:33 utc | 82
I have never heard of this.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 26 2024 11:33 utc | 104
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Me neither.
Maybe in a few isolated Bavarian mountain or other isolated areas wo der Fuchs und Hase sich gute Nacht sagen.
(BTW, explanations of this expression provided (unasked) by Google sanitize the point of this saying!)
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 13:39 utc | 119
Alistair Crooke explains the recent mutual strikes between Israel and Hezbolla in the first 20 minutes of this morning’s talk with Judge Nap. A must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyD38A0sllU
Posted by: morongobill | Aug 26 2024 13:52 utc | 120
“And the Bolsheviks were of cource the ones that are now perpetrating genozide in Gaza.”
Netanyahu is a Revisionist ( to Nazi methodology) Zionist. He has no ideological connection whatsoever to Soviet Communism and his father was private secretary to a Ukrainian Nazi, hence his genocidal Nazi ideas.
Another day, another chance to hammer the square peg into the round hole it won’t into. I know Norway is now ideologically allied to Nato and it’s time to reconstruct old fears of Russia into the new Nato narrative of Russophobia.
Nato is the new Hitler.
Too late for buyer’s remorse, even for you, sir.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 13:57 utc | 121
canuck
“China’s being again the largest new economic power is but a ‘return to the mean’.”
Fair point
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 26 2024 14:29 utc | 122
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 26 2024 13:35 utc | 118
Excellent post! thanks. I think Talaat’s meteoric rise is the most underreported newstory in the past century. At age 21, he has a Jewish love affair and works for the Jewish school, at age 29 he becomes a Freemason and at age 34 he deposes the Sultan and takes over the Ottoman Empire, a mere 6 years later he decides that he commits the Armenian Genocide and a couple of years after it ends, he meets the same fate as Thomas Crooks and conveniently dies.
By the way, I think we suppose to rant about Erdogan’s oil for Israel deals, so we dont focus on the real culprits: Kurdistan – US favorite Middle East proxies and perpetrators of the Yazide genocide and Azerbaijan – Mossad’s partners in crime in killing Raisi.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 14:34 utc | 123
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 13:57 utc | 121
What we are calling sovjet was a jew controlled territory, that slaugtered their own people, under the name of bolsjevikes.
A jewish powerbase took over under Goratsiov and looted everything under Yeltzin. Then lukyli Putin dame aking.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 26 2024 14:35 utc | 124
Jane@1111
It behooves us to bear in mind that Germany has NO agency. It became an occupied nation on 5-8-45 and remains so 79 years later. When GrossAdmiral Karl Donitz surrendered German armed forces on that date; the 3rd Reich no longer existed as a political entity in charge of the state. American occupation forces still remain in Deutschland as part of an arrangement made between the U$$A and Perfidious Albion…all at the insistence of the Talmudist Bank$ter regime, headquartered in City of London and seconded on Wall $treet.
The longtime strategy of Perfidious Albion, under the “guidance” of the Rottenchild Crime Clan along with the Rome based Old Black Nobility has constantly and consistently been to “Keep Germany down and Russia out”. That policy has endured for almost 8 full decades. Germany remains an occupied nation and takes its orders from their Anglo masters.
No peace treaty between those “Allied” powers and Germany has ever been signed. This is a historical fact.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 26 2024 15:03 utc | 126
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 26 2024 15:03 utc | 126
Then the Germans must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 15:23 utc | 127
Roger Waters sayin out loud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DVtOdKSkNs
PALESTINE SOUL OF HUMANITY
Posted by: simon crow | Aug 26 2024 15:33 utc | 128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H0yUxyYMz4
Brave Israel facing the threat of Hamas and Hezbollah………….. by flooding the airports and overbooking flights in near panic.
Israel developed a mighty reputation by quick wars and blitzkreig. This attrition war could end them.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 26 2024 15:39 utc | 129
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 26 2024 15:03 utc | 126
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Nuttin’ “behooves,” me, mister.
I guess you don’t read my comments.
Nor, the referenced article.
First graf:
“The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz, or BfV) owes its existence to the Allies. When the Western powers gave the green light for the creation of the Federal Republic of Germany in their zones of occupation in 1949, they also gave the constituent assembly permission to set up ‘an office to collect and disseminate information on subversive activities against the federal government’. According to Ronen Steinke, the intention was to nip in the bud any attempt at a coup d’état, whether fascist or communist, that would have given the Soviet Union an excuse to invade western Germany. . . .”
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 15:45 utc | 130
Posted by: simon crow | Aug 26 2024 15:33 utc | 128
Thanks for that simon!
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 26 2024 16:04 utc | 131
Where is Brett McGurk?
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Who makes up these names?
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Great thread.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 26 2024 16:04 utc | 132
MMPD didn’t exist when I was a child. It was imported from the US by Thatcher but the only connection to Israel is the Zionist Banksters.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 13:28 utc | 116
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???
Dickens would disagree!
Also, there are literally hundreds of millions of Chinese moving into the cities from the farms, sleeping in crowded dim dormitories, working 70+ hour weeks rarely seeing family and doing so for long stretches. They are probably better off than the slaves in the Americas or working classes in Dickens time, but still: Hard Times.
What they are pulling off of late is incredible but there is quite a bit of MMPD in the mix despite effective propaganda to the contrary. This is the norm throughout human history. And probably always will be, Star Trek’s Federation fantasy notwithstanding.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 26 2024 16:19 utc | 133
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 14:34 utc | 123
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So is it fair to say that a Jewish 33 degree mason perpetrated the Armenian genocides, brought down the Ottoman Empire and paved the way for the creation of the State of Israel? Or did I skip too many steps?
(Had a Turkish lover who had to leave Istanbul for political reasons who used to read the coffee grounds in the upturned cups. Amazing what can be seen therein. And that belly dancing business is something else!)
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 26 2024 16:30 utc | 134
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 26 2024 16:30 utc | 134
Either that or some dude in his early 30s whose highest official position was working in a post office did it. Which do you think is more likely?
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 16:34 utc | 135
It should be a recruiting poster for postal workers, “Be a postman and someday, you too can run an Empire!”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 16:51 utc | 136
It should be a recruiting poster for postal workers, “Be a postman and someday, you too can run an Empire!”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 16:51 utc | 136
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Silly.
The power Talaat gained through his pivotal position as a telegrapher is not hard to understand. All of the sources I have seen on him emphasize this point.
“Mehmet Talaat Pasha (1874-1921) (also known as Talaat Bey) was the principal architect of the Armenian Genocide. Born in Edirne (Adrianople), Talaat became a telegrapher at a young age. He was active in the Young Turk movement seeking to overthrow Sultan Abdul Hamid (Abdulhamit) II. He joined the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) and quickly emerged a leader in the secret organization. His profession gave him access to the principal means of communication in his era and his assignment as Chief Secretary of Posts and Telegraphs in Salonika (now Thessaloniki, Greece) placed him at the hub of Turkish revolutionary plotting. After the 1908 Young Turk Revolution, Talaat became one of the most influential politicians of the Ottoman Empire. In 1909 he was appointed Minister of the Interior and then Minister of Posts. By 1912 he was Secretary General of the CUP, which the following year seized complete power in the Ottoman Empire. The 1913 coup saw the rise of the so-called Young Turk triumvirate consisting of Talaat as Minister of the Interior, Enver as Minister of War, and Jemal as Minister of the Marine. . . . ”
Talaat was one of the main advocates of the Turkification of the Ottoman Empire. As Minister of the Interior, he assumed primary responsibility for planning and implementing the Armenian Genocide. He employed the system of provincial administration subordinate to his direct authority as the main instrument for carrying out the deportations. The 1915 orders for the eviction of the Armenians from their homes carried his signature, much as subsequent orders clarifying the originally disguised intentions of the deportations as annihilation also bear his name. Talaat personally supervised the process and his ability to operate a telegraph machine enhanced his capacity to carry out the policies of his government through direct and secret communications to other CUP cohorts specifically assigned provincial administrative posts to receive and carry out the orders. This method of operation circumvented the machinery of the central government and permitted a handful of CUP fanatics to subvert the state in order to carry out their criminal conspiracy.
The organized and scheduled depopulation of Armenians from one town after another carried out with complete surprise and minimal cost, their systematic liquidation once moved to remote locations, and the methodical plunder of their properties demonstrated Talaat’s capacity for calculated cruelty and only increased his power and prestige in the CUP. Talaat went so far as to expressly order the destruction of young Armenian orphans. In February 1917 Talaat became Grand Vizier, earning him the title Pasha. He resigned his post in October 1918 as the empire neared total defeat.
https://www.armenian-genocide.org/talaat.html
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 17:41 utc | 137
Jane@1545
Simply stated, I fail to comprehend how your re-reference manages to respond to my clear assertion that NO peace treaty with Germany was ever signed…or offered…by the offending parties of the Collective Wa$te.
Once more, Jane, the Berlin regime has absolutely NO agency. It is strictly a puppet regime and constantly obeys their nefarious masters. Please consider their wimpy response to the U$$A with connivance of the Scandinavian countries in destroying the Nordstream Pipeline. Obvious, except to the oblivious.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 26 2024 18:37 utc | 138
Highlights Live feed Palestine chronicle:
Monday, August 26, 9:00 pm (GMT+2)
HEZBOLLAH: We attacked the newly established headquarters of the 146th Division.
CHANNEL 12: An explosion hit Tel Aviv, according to eyewitnesses, and an investigation is underway.
AL-JAZEERA: A drone and missile attack took place on northern Israel, coinciding with the visit of the Israeli Chief of Staff and his American counterpart.
Monday, August 26, 3:00 pm (GMT+2)
HAMAS: The target of the Sidon bombing was a leader of the movement. He survived the raid.
MILITARY WATCH MAGAZINE: A group of mercenaries affiliated with an American military company called Forward Control Group moved part of its forces to Israel in late 2023.
Monday, August 26, 11:30 am (GMT+2)
AL-QASSAM BRIGADES: Our fighters carried out a tight ambush targeting an Israeli force of 5 soldiers in the Al-Qarara area east of Khan Yunis, killing and wounding them.
WAFA: Settlers stormed Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, under the protection of the Israeli police.
Monday, August 26, 09:00 am (GMT+2)
YAIR GOLAN: Israel must have a real strategy to end the war or it will go on forever. Let’s not fool ourselves, Hezbollah will not be eliminated and will not disappear from the map.
Monday, August 26, 08:00 am (GMT+2)
EU NAVAL MISSION IN RED SEA: The Greek-flagged ship “Sunion” has been under fire since August 23 after an attack by the Yemeni Houthi group, noting that there are no clear indications of an oil leak from the ship
Posted by: Exile | Aug 26 2024 19:11 utc | 139
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 26 2024 18:37 utc | 138
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You are funny, banging your fist on the table about a fact that everyone here knows perfectly well.
I don’t understand your problem.
Please have a nice cup of tea and leave me alone.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 19:13 utc | 140
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 19:13 utc | 140
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If you want to be left alone (we both know you do not, attention is currency), then stop posting in a public discussion area.
Take some responsibility for your behavior.
Otherwise, bear the feedback, trolling, or criticism. No one is forcing you to post or read.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 26 2024 19:24 utc | 141
Posted by: Jane | Aug 26 2024 17:41 utc | 137
2 weeks ago, you had no idea who Taalat was and now you are able to cut and paste like a champ.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 20:56 utc | 143
I recently read Hans-Lukas Kieser’s biography of Talaat Pasha, “Talaat Pasha, Father of Modern Turkey, Architect of Genocide” (Princeton University Press 2018). It is an excellent book.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 26 2024 21:21 utc | 144
The rise of Adolf Hitler, who I know was a great admirer of the Turkish Revolution (what, if anything, he thought of Talaat Pasha I do not know), was as meteoric as Talaat’s.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 26 2024 21:30 utc | 145
in fact, people donated well close to $1 billion towards the re-construction of the Notre Dame cathedral
How much will the world put up to reconstruct Gaza after its near complete destruction by israel and the USA/Nato, once these genocidal maniacs are done? We all know the answer to that….
https://x.com/salwamander/status/1827519232407425101
exhausted proleteriat ☭ 🇦🇫🇵🇸 @salwamander
Notre Dame burned by accident and people around the world donated millions of dollars to restore a building; Palestinian holy sites are being bombed by Israel, and hundreds of civilians are murdered as a result, and no one bats a fucking eye. I feel like I’m going fucking crazy
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1827263994278875626
Globe Eye News @GlobeEyeNews
BREAKING: The Israeli army destroyed the historic Grand Mosque in Khan Younis, Gaza
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 26 2024 22:03 utc | 146
I put a piece of my heart in every land where death rages, in Tal al-Zaatar, in Jabalia, in Sheikh Radwan, in Deir al-Balah, in Nuseirat, and in Khan Yunis, my three sons and my wife.
Now I am… lying on the cold ground in God’s terrible openness, opening my eyes to the sky. Shells and missiles make their way to where they are intended, in front of my eyes, and my ears count the explosions of raids that I do not see. I wish all death were mine… I wish the shells missed every land and hit me.
Selfish joy that the previous shell missed you is dust scattered by endless questions. Which piece of your heart was injured?
Journalist Youssef Fares – Gaza
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 26 2024 22:04 utc | 147
it’s a war crime,
and the USA and every Western leader/nation supports it
remember all the nonsense we’ve been fed by the Western Media about how Putin has ‘weaponized’ this and that’? That was all propaganda. This is real, and a real crime against humanity.
Where again are all those ICC arrest warrants?
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-using-water-weapon-war-gaza-supply-plummets-94-creating-deadly-health
Israel using water as weapon of war as Gaza supply plummets by 94%, creating deadly health catastrophe: Oxfam
Israel damaged or destroyed five water and sanitation sites every three days since the start of this war
A new Oxfam report reveals how Israel has been systematically weaponizing water against Palestinians in Gaza, showing disregard for human life and international law.
The report, Water War Crimes, finds that Israel’s cutting of external water supply, systematic destruction of water facilities and deliberate aid obstruction have reduced the amount of water available in Gaza by 94% to 4.74 litres a day per person – just under a third of the recommended minimum in emergencies and less than a single toilet flush.
Oxfam analysis also found………
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/23/middleeast/israel-gaza-water-shortages-heatwave-crisis-intl/index.html
Children are drinking from puddles and wading through sewage pools, as Israel pummels water systems in Gaza
….There have been many water facilities damaged or destroyed by Israel’s 10-month-long assault in Gaza, according to the UN and various other international bodies, compounding the civilian population’s suffering, risking the spread of disease and leading human rights experts to accuse Israel of using water supply as a weapon…..
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 26 2024 22:43 utc | 148
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 26 2024 22:04 utc | 147
extraordinary statement. thank you for posting it.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 26 2024 22:46 utc | 149
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/08/27/the-speaker-the-mp-and-the-us-ambassador/
Posted by: Ново З | Aug 26 2024 23:19 utc | 150
Posted by: canuck | Aug 26 2024 9:44 utc | 94
thanks for your reply canuck.
Posted by: Ново З | Aug 26 2024 23:23 utc | 151
Nasrallah names the target, Hamas strikes it:
https://youtu.be/yOMblsQ1UOw?si=Za9XdMB1nJmLKvUG
After ten months who would have believed Hamas capable of such coordination?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 26 2024 23:30 utc | 152
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 26 2024 21:21 utc | 144
The book makes no mention of his parents or village, just that he appeared from nowhere but was suddenly in the middle of all the intrigue and the collapse of one of the great Empires. Hitler was in his 40s and we know everything about his history.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 23:40 utc | 153
On the 15th August I made the following complaint to the BBC :-
Factual error
In your article ‘Father says baby twins killed by Israeli strike in Gaza as he registered births’, you stated that ‘Hamas-led gunmen killed about 1,200 people in an attack on Israel on 7 October, taking 251 others back to Gaza as hostages.’
Hamas did not kill 1,200 people that day. A large number were killed by the Israeli security forces, as reported by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
Late yesteday (26/08/24) I received this reply:-
Thanks for contacting us about the BBC News website.
Please accept our apologies for the delay in replying. We know our correspondents appreciate a quick response and we are sorry you have had to wait on this occasion.
We recogniser your unhappiness that the report ‘Father says baby twins killed by Israeli strike in Gaza as he registered births’ claimed that 1,200 people had been killed by Hamas on October 7 last year.
Our report did not provide a precise figure for the number of people killed on October 7 but stated that Hamas militants had been responsible for the deaths of “about 1,200 people”.
Our wider reporting has highlighted cases where civilians were killed in the IDF response to the attacks. For example, the following report notes that several Israelis were killed when a tank shelled a house in Kibbutz Be’eri where thirteen hostages were being held…
Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 27 2024 1:17 utc | 154
the Military-Industrial Complex in the USA, and the ones in Western Europe have been in overdrive for some 2 1/2 years,
and in hyper-drive since Oct 2023, contributing to the slaughters in Palestine and in the Ukraine of 100s of thousands of innocent people (and hapless soldiers forced to fight by the criminal regime in Kiev)
https://x.com/FT/status/1828010267755630760
Financial Times @FT
The leading 15 defence contractors are forecast to log free cash flow of $52bn in 2026 — almost double their combined cash flow at the end of 2021.
https://theonion.com/lockheed-martin-boosts-earnings-outlook-citing-billions-1850480348/
Lockheed Martin Boosts Earnings Outlook Citing Billions Of Innocent People Still Left To Kill
BETHESDA, MD—Adjusting revenue expectations in light of resilient demand for massacring those who just want to live their lives, defense contractor Lockheed Martin boosted its earnings outlook in a conference call with investors Friday, citing billions of innocent people still left to kill. “Given that the total addressable market for our lethal killing devices is essentially every blameless man, woman, and child on Earth, we expect our net income to skyrocket in the coming months and years,” said CEO James Taiclet, explaining that Chinese and Indian markets alone accounted for nearly 3 billion guiltless individuals who were already primed to meet an untimely end.
“Every day, we are penetrating emerging markets for the ruthless slaughter of innocent civilians in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia, where we believe there is the greatest opportunity for new bloodshed. And with potential murder victims being born everyday, we don’t see any reason for a slowdown in demand anytime soon.”
Taiclet concluded the call by adding that while the company faced increased competition from wartime famine and drought, he was still confident the company was still well positioned to capitalize on human suffering.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 27 2024 1:20 utc | 155
23 Soldiers, Then Five – Resistance Roundup – Day 325
(excerpts) … The ambush was executed in two stages. In the first stage, two resistance TBG shells were fired at a house where a large number of Isreali soldiers were sheltering in the town of Qarara, east of Khan Yunis.
The second stage was the detonation of the opening of a tunnel with five Israeli soldiers inside.
This was the accompanying information published with the latest video released by the Al-Qassam Brigades.
The video starts with the masked voice of a fighter planning the attack, which, in its first stage, targeted 23 Israeli soldiers.
The video showed the force of the explosion, which, according to military analysts, must have killed or wounded most Israeli soldiers inside the building.….
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/23-soldiers-then-five-resistance-roundup-day-325/
Comment – southern front; 2 videos first of a booby trapped building detonated with IDF fighters inside, videos of recently dug tunnels. second is footage of barrage of homemade rockets fired towards Tel Aviv. Northern Front – 3 strikes
Merkava tally remains at 210
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 2:20 utc | 156
@149 He has had to watch his friends, their children, his people, his town getting destroyed for nine long months, day after day after day. We could not imagine. I don’t think there is any historic precedent to this kind of atrocity. He is very open about his hopes, his sentiments and I follow him through those as best as I am able to. He has a positive character, but now despair is showing through, like sensing a reality of everything of worth eventually being destroyed. His pride of family even, what will he be to them after this if he has no world, no country to return them to ?
We could not imagine, we just could not imagine.
But he takes us there.
Though it costs him to.
So that others are able to be aware for themselves.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 27 2024 2:21 utc | 157
Jane@1913
To be sure, I had a nice mug (not just cup) of Lipton’s Yellow Label this morning, long before your suggestion. That suggestion was the only sensible part of your 1913 screed. So at least you have the sense to suggest a cup of tea…even if a bit belated.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 2:23 utc | 158
BREAKING: The Israeli army destroyed the historic Grand Mosque in Khan Younis, Gaza
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 26 2024 22:03 utc | 146
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I saw the video.
Unbelievable.
Feels like a test run for blowing up the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
If the world says/does nothing now, the Ziloban will just move on the next mosque.
I too feel like I am going crazy.
We are being subjected to a form of mental torture by the Zio-crazies. We are helpless, so it is not “learned helplessness,” but it is related to that.
Will anyone “avenge” this mosque by blowing up a synagogue? It seems fair.
I can think of some good candidates.
Seems like they are asking for that.
Then to cry victim of antisemitism.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 27 2024 2:31 utc | 159
michaelj72@120
Likely you are already aware that Lockheed-Martin is the planet’s #1 WarDefense Industry. Yes, their business plan is to promote war, war and more war. Good for business. Following WWI there was a huge movement to stamp out the armaments business based on blood money.
Because of near total mass media control mechanisms, in part funded by those very WarDefense corporations; a still remaining majority of boobtoob noose addicts in the Collective Wa$te still avidly watches those “retired” Generals and Admirals plumping for more war with silly slogans like “Support our Troops”.
Defending the bloody business of encouraging and even promoting military adventeurism happens to be the one remaining thriving industry in the U$$A. The terroristic reality of that situation deeply saddens me. Our ruptured Republic here in the $tates has desperate needs to create economic recovery, in large part to repair and replace much of the national infrastructure and the genuine peaceful jobs that would create. Most 3rd World lands have better passenger rail systems than the U$$A. Most industrialized nations have wonderful rail service…meanwhile those who ride in Boeings piloted by victims of the Covid Plandemic are gambling with their very lives.
By the way…Lockheed-Martin’s primary shareholders happen to be London Bankers. Draw your own conclusions on that one.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 2:34 utc | 160
2 weeks ago, you had no idea who Taalat was and now you are able to cut and paste like a champ.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 26 2024 20:56 utc | 143
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Yep, and now I seem to know more about Taalat than you.
You keep repeating the same silly comments about the postman, for some reason.
Awhile ago I had no idea who Morris Jastrow was.
Awhile ago I had no idea who Ilan Pappe was.
Awhile ago I had no idea who J. M. N. Jeffries was.
Among many others.
I can read, so I can learn.
Funny, that.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 27 2024 2:47 utc | 161
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 2:23 utc | 158
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Look up “screed” in your dictionary.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 27 2024 2:55 utc | 162
…. Most 3rd World lands have better passenger rail systems than the U$$A…..
aristodemos, the USA is certainly already a 3rd world country.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 3:02 utc | 163
BREAKING: The Israeli army destroyed the historic Grand Mosque in Khan Younis, Gaza
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 26 2024 22:03 utc | 146
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I saw the video.
Unbelievable.
Feels like a test run for blowing up the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
If the world says/does nothing now, the Ziloban will just move on the next mosque.
Well when you “mow the lawn” sometimes ya gotta do some heavy re-landscaping and take out some of the old ornamental junk like birdbaths and gold domed concrete planters and such.
Besides, everybody knows Hamas people hide out in tunnels under mosques.
And hospitals.
And schools.
And day care centers.
And doctors’ homes.
And hospital administrators’ homes.
And water treatment places.
And water storage tanks.
And vegetable markets.
And supermarkets.
And libraries.
And relief aid stations.
In fact the damn Hamas people hide out wherever the Israelis bomb.
Sometimes just to fool ’em.
Posted by: Dogtired | Aug 27 2024 3:03 utc | 164
Posted by: canuck | Aug 26 2024 11:58 utc | 107
However if you measure it in human lifetimes and economic outputs more human lifetimes and output has happened since 1800 than from before 1800 so from that perspective it is new and not a return to the old.
Posted by: badjoke | Aug 27 2024 3:19 utc | 165
vargas | Aug 25 2024 21:57 utc | 36
*** But why were German politicians so irrational in the first place?***
Same as the traitors at Westminster….
Import racist or hard-line jihadist Moslems, some of whom can then be recruited by the spook-services and sent back to destbilize Moslem countries. The remainder can seek to “radicalise” other Moslems in the country they were fetched in to, while agitating or behaving badly such as to create anti-Moslem sentiments in the rest of the host country’s population.
Zionists can then capitalise on that anti-Moslem sentiment, by making sure to associate negative public impressions specifically with “Arabs” — especially Palestinians.
Meanwhile, the loyalty of a horde of wokists can be bought by the government, by creating lots of well paid “race relations” jobs for them. Which further antagonises the public….
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 27 2024 3:37 utc | 166
From The Cradle , linked to by Trubind1 18
” While the German government has recognized the Yezidi genocide, it has not acknowledged the role of its Kurdish counterparts in Iraq in perpetrating it.
Immediately after the genocide in 2014, the German government began providing weapons and funding to Barzani’s Peshmerga, who falsely claimed ISIS was its enemy rather than its intimate partner. ”
Thanks again. I didn’t know this.
But , shockingly, it confirms what I did read about Germany’s role , based in Adana, in masterminding and running the Nato War in Syria from reading Voltairenet at the time.
With apologies to our venerable host, who may disagree.
I saw an interview with Barzani’s family member, who was Head of Intelligence for Kurdistan in which he whined that Kurdistan was fighting Terrorism.on its own, abandoned by the big powers. Crocodile tears.
You see the Mossad victim lies .
Nothing Israel has ever touched in the Region has ever been anything but a bunch of lies. The Cradle quote also reveals how Israel and Germany have been in bed together for 10 long years. Shocking.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 27 2024 3:55 utc | 167
Giyane | Aug 26 2024 11:23 utc | 102 …
It would seem that while in other religions the believers worship a deity (or deities) in the jewish one the believers are worshipped by the deity.
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 27 2024 4:15 utc | 168
Yo hasbarats! See there’s fewer suddenly here! Either you followed my advice or you found some missiles and drones? Office shut for business?
Ziofascist blowing up ancient historical religious monuments and Naztzios destroying ancestral religion in the ukraine – shows the whole world and posterity that you and them are all following the same hymn sheet. Tied at the hip. Nazis and Zionists.
It’s decolonialsm for you illegal settler invaders and mass murderers of the Semitic Peopels of The Levant. You is fuckered.
So better run Rabbits as your masters feed you into the flames – again – for a future lie of persecution and exodus!
Haven’t said it for some days – busy last week – but since I woke up early,
From The River To The Sea.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 27 2024 5:30 utc | 169
Posted by: Jane | Aug 27 2024 2:31 utc | 159
Posted by: Jane | Aug 27 2024 2:47 utc | 161
Can I talk to Jane 159? because I like Jane 159, but Jane 161 seems like a very unpleasant person.
You know our history is written in a way that benefits Western civilization. It is undeniable that very little of the truth about Gaza will reflect the reality of the situation, it will be written to in a way that supports the narratives of certain interests. Why do you pretend otherwise and assume we must have an accurate and exhaustive rendition of a 100 years ago when it was impossible to get critical information?
My expectations are low.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 27 2024 5:50 utc | 171
Turk 152 171
We have extremely little critical information about usukis’ shenanigans over the last 20 years. It’s all spin and lies.
The process of fabrication precedes the actual events and the cat scratches soil over its dirty doings after the events.
And yet apparently, Nato Crooke is a mine of information on Nato’s lies.
Enough to drive one completely round the bend, up the wall , when your foot slides ..
I am thinking this morning that Rabbi Weiss on Turkish TV condemning the Zionists in Palestine is just another piece of Hasbara propaganda.
This shit show needs to end.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 27 2024 9:24 utc | 172
From live feed Palestine Chronicle:
Tuesday, August 27, 08:00 am (GMT+2)
AL-JAZEERA: Sirens are sounding in the Nahal Oz area north of the Gaza envelope, fearing that rockets will be launched from the Strip.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 10:23 utc | 173
I have tried to post an article from UNZ regarding polio vaccines
Is the link not allowed?
Posted by: ld | Aug 27 2024 10:35 utc | 174
B. Is at risk of serving a very long prison term in his home country if he doesn’t crack down on “Anti-Semitism”. The Interior Mininstry ( and secret police) of his home country are zealously targeting people these days.
Sooo – let’s be considerate of the very real risks B. Is taking keeping a light hand on moderating this Bar.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 11:30 utc | 175
Actual worship is Not killing, Not stealing , Not envying , Not fornicating, not abusing parents, and worshipping God with all your HEART and all your INTELLECT and all your inner sense of THANKS to our Creator.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2024 11:23 utc | 102
And not torturing animals with cruel, satanic kosher/halal methods. Not sexually mutilating your children.
Posted by: Michael A | Aug 27 2024 12:01 utc | 177
In this article (see below) “SONAR 21” (Larry Johnson) tells that Israel is waiting for the attack from Iran. But what if Iran would decide to let Israel wait for an attack that doesn’t happen (“Waiting for Godot”) ? Then Israel has to defer precious resources for the expected attack (that doesn’t come).
I think that Israel is waiting for such an attack that can/will be used to justify a (MAJOR) attack on Hezbollah.
https://sonar21.com/russia-pounds-the-hell-out-of-ukraine-while-israel-waits-for-iran-to-act
Posted by: WMG | Aug 27 2024 13:02 utc | 178
The lying sacks of shit in the US State Dept. continue to lie and create fake narratives that there is anything resembling “peace talks” in Cairo.
In fact, the two parties cannot agree. Yet these buzzards prop up the talks like a stiff at “Weekend at Bernies” and drive the stiff around town, hoping that he doesn’t stink too much by election day.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-rejects-new-israeli-conditions-gaza-ceasefire-talks-2024-08-25/
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 27 2024 13:36 utc | 179
Sooo – let’s be considerate of the very real risks B. Is taking keeping a light hand on moderating this Bar.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 11:30 utc | 175
It’s not about anti-semitism anymore.
These days anything that contradicts the State Sanctioned Version of Truth is likely to land you in a cold dark hole.
My advice to “b” is to leave for sunnier climes while he still can.
The “Free World” is dead, stick a fork in it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2024 13:50 utc | 180
As we head toward the Labour Day long weekend and for many Canadians, the last long weekend of the summer, i have so far been unable to bring two groups together in my local area for a ‘COMMON GROUND AGAINST GENOCIDE’ rally on Labour Day. The ingested empire narratives i encountered in both camps made finding common ground impossible outside theses empire narratives. If we can not come together and discover common ground on Labour Day and smile for a picture that would have made our child prime minister snort coffee out of his nose, then it means there is no commons anymore outside corporate controlled venues.
Its an uphill battle fighting informational warfare, but that is the battle field.
Anyway, thought it was a good idea and perhaps it is not too late to implement in other localities where folks might be more receptive.
All groups against genocide come together, no matter the differences on Labour Day weekend:
COMMON GROUND AGAINST GENOCIDE!
Posted by: simon crow | Aug 27 2024 13:55 utc | 181
@ Paul from Norway 124
Part of “The Fifth Column” by A.N. Ignatiev was published over the weekend at
Link to The Fifth Column
The most detailed accusation I’ve sen that Jews were 100% in charge of liquidating the USSR under Perestroika. In 1998 or 1996, Ignatiev wrote that Andropov, Gorbachev and many others were Jews, but that it started under Khruschev in the mid-1950’s with:
[1.] the seizure by Jews of lost positions in the party,
[2.]a return to the Leninist style of collective leadership (when no one was responsible for anything),
[3.] the replacement of Russian party cadres with Jewish ones (with Russian pseudonyms, such as G. Arbatov, Yu. Andropov, F. Burlatii, Yu. Afanasyev),
[4.] the creation of a number of Masonic institutions in the CPSU system and the USSR Academy of Sciences (in Khrushchev’s words, “institutions of Soviet democracy”) and [5.] their staffing by Communist Jews…
This was published by a very reputable website which has to answer to the Russian authorities for any slander or support of extremists. So I tend to give credence to the amazing accusations. But there are two caveats:
1. The brochure, “The Fifth Column” was branded as extremist by the Dzerzhinsky District Court of Novosibirsk on 29.10.2010. I’m sure the Russian editors a few days ago are aware of that. So either they published the “acceptable” part of the brochure or else the court’s decision was later overturned.
2. I have not verified any of these accusations myself. That’s hard for me to do and I’m hoping some people at the bar can help prove or disprove these allegations.
I have not seen such strong accusations anywhere else. If it was Jews who destroyed the USSR, they could still have some power in Russia, and any exercise of Jewish Power would be 100% relevant to Palestine. This is one of the rare times when I’m glad to be in America where there is – in theory at least – such a thing as free speech.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Aug 27 2024 14:07 utc | 182
Selections from Palestine Chronicle live feed:
Tuesday, August 27, 3:00 pm (GMT+2)
AL-QASSAM BRIGADES: We affirm that the resistance in the West Bank is moving towards achieving all its goals of expansion and sustainability in all the governorates of the West Bank.
Tuesday, August 27, 2:00 pm (GMT+2)
AL-QUDS BRIGADES: We detonated a barrel bomb planted in advance in an Israeli military vehicle that penetrated south of the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood in Gaza City.
EU BORRELL: I call for an immediate 3-day humanitarian ceasefire to enable UNICEF and WHO to carry out vaccinations.
LAVROV: The Israeli forces consider the people of Gaza non-civilians and every child over the age of 3 a terrorist, which is terrifying.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 14:20 utc | 183
Did i just read this right?
“EU BORRELL: I call for an immediate 3-day humanitarian ceasefire to enable UNICEF and WHO to carry out vaccinations.”
Need anything else be said to demonstrate the utter depravity of the leadership class in the west.
Posted by: simon crow | Aug 27 2024 14:43 utc | 184
Posted by: WMG | Aug 27 2024 13:02 utc | 178
How different is Israel “waiting for an attack from Iran” different from Israel getting hit almost every day from Lebanon? And still some from the Gaza Strip?
It’s more that the US has built up its forces in the region.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 27 2024 15:09 utc | 185
Pictures of site the Iron Dome was supposed to protect?
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/08/26/732121/Which-Israeli-military-sites-did-Hezbollah-target-in-occupied-territories
thank you jane @137 and lyzine @148 for the Young Turk history I have not found in pages 216 to 220 of Misha Glinny’s book: the Bulkans: Nationalism, War and Great Powers 1804-1999.. the stuff you presented fills in a great void in my understanding of that 1908 coup by the CUP..
Posted by: snake | Aug 27 2024 15:13 utc | 186
Elijan Magnier has a long analysis up, so these are just a few snippets:
VetWar Chief Intnl Crspdnt +35yrs Irq, Irn, Leb, Syria, Afghnistn, Lbya, Yugo, Sudn
Countr-Terrorism/Mil Analyst
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1827696305793081564
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Hezbollah’s Deterrence: A Turning Point in the Middle East Conflict
….Establishing Deterrence
Hezbollah’s recent actions have marked a significant shift in the region’s power dynamics. By launching 320 rockets and drones across the Lebanese border and targeting areas over 100 kilometres inland, including north of Tel Aviv, Hezbollah demonstrated its military capabilities. These attacks followed the collapse of negotiation talks in Qatar and came during the anticipated resumption of negotiations in Cairo.
Hezbollah’s bombing of strategic Israeli military positions deep inside the country reflected its precise intelligence capabilities and its ability to bypass Israel’s sophisticated missile interception systems. The over 100-kilometre range of the Hezbollah strike mirrored Israel’s violation of the Rule of Engagement, which saw Israel bombing the Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh and assassinating one of Hezbollah’s Jihadi Council commander, Fouad Shukr…..
Strategic Calculations and the “Axis of Resistance”
Hezbollah’s determined but calculated restraint in withholding its more advanced missiles is a powerful deterrence mechanism. This strategic decision signals to Israel that Hezbollah retains the capacity for a much more devastating response should the conflict escalate further. Hezbollah’s leadership understands the importance of maintaining a credible deterrence posture, ensuring that Israel remains cautious about provoking an all-out war that could severely damage its infrastructure and military assets……
Broader Middle East Implications
…The US has since sent a message to Lebanon indicating that Israel considers the situation de-escalated, suggesting that the Israeli leadership recognises Hezbollah’s deterrence. Israel’s reluctance to escalate further suggests that Hezbollah’s retaliation has restored the rules of engagement that Israel had violated with its bombing of Beirut. This underscores the profound impact of Hezbollah’s actions on the region’s geopolitical landscape…..
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 27 2024 15:14 utc | 187
michaelj72@1514
Thanks, Michael. Magnier is sharp and communicates and analyzes extremely astutely. One of the best overall assessments I’ve yet observed. Will check out his site.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 15:40 utc | 188
JessDTruth@1407
Thanks. Definitely an eye-opener. Will pay close attention to further developments and will seek to be mindful of their purports.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 15:58 utc | 189
Exile@1130
A profile in courage on the part of b. One hopes he has contingency plans for the site if the puppet regime in Occupied Germany (since 5-8-45) adheres to the diktats from the enemies of humanity.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 16:02 utc | 190
On Arba’in/Arbaeen
Let it be noted that Hezbollah response for Shukr came on Arbaeen (Arabic for no. 40), one of the holiest of the holies in Shia Islam. The refrain – every day is Ashura, and every place is Karbala — comes to mind. This, being a call to vigilance/jihad for every Shia. Last year Arbaeen drew nearly 22 million adherents to Karbala – some crawling on their bellies to the mausoleum.
This, from the wiki:
“Arba’in is a religious event that commemorates the death of Husayn ibn Ali, the third Shia imam, forty days after Ashura. It is the world’s largest annual public gathering, attracting millions of pilgrims to Karbala, Iraq, where Husayn was killed in 680 CE.”
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 27 2024 16:20 utc | 191
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2024-08-25/jonathan-freedland-truth-israel/
The man who escaped Auschwitz.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 27 2024 16:36 utc | 192
@ Paul from Norway 124
The collapse of the USSR was a counter-revolution led by some of the nomenklatura and by black market titans. Some of the latter were probably Jews. That does not make them entirely responsible for this great tragedy.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 27 2024 16:39 utc | 193
Note: Misha Glinny
Is a racist war monger, justifying war crimes for the War Party in Washington.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 16:40 utc | 194
Tuesday, August 27, 6:00 pm (GMT+2)
ISLAMIC RESISTANCE IN IRAQ: We attacked a vital target in Haifa yesterday.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 16:51 utc | 195
The IDF Uses Palestinian Civilians As Human Shields to Inspect Gaza’s Tunnels
Richard Medhurst does a deep dive analyzing a Haaretz Article on the IDF routine use of human shields
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=68yeHGxNyOQ
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 17:22 utc | 196
I swear to God, these Israeli settler fanatics are determined to light off Armageddon.
If they blow up Al-Aqsa, there will be Hell to pay.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/ben-gvir-s-call-to-build-synagogue-at-al-aqsa-to-drag-region-into-religious-war-palestine/3313468
Posted by: morongobill | Aug 27 2024 17:38 utc | 197
morongobill@1738
For moments of unchained levity here’s a description in another dimension of “hell to pay”. A Hell Toupee is when an unexpected gust of wind lifts the rug from off the top of a bald dome.
Currently, much of the Collective Wa$te is experiencing a Hell Toupee/Hell to Pay moment while analyzing the tremendous Russian hail of missilry which basically degraded the electrical powered infrastructure throughout most of Ukraine.
Secondly, and more to your point is the calculated precision of Hezbollah’s missile and rocketry demonstration carefully calculated to match the Izzy airstrikes coming into the southern reaches of Beirut. Tit for Tat and no plausible defense there either. Mutually in check? Perhaps. Any intel pickup on definitive Izzy demolition of Al-Aqsa logically would be countered in an equal but opposite manner.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 18:04 utc | 198
The Zionists are eating themselves. I don’t know when but Israel is done.
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🇮🇱⚔️🇱🇧The Israeli military has dismissed a psychological officer from the Alexandroni Brigade after she revealed that the brigade’s new commander encouraged his soldiers to commit genocide in Lebanon.
Adi Engert, the psychological officer in the Alexandroni Brigade, posted on the social media platform X that the brigade’s new commander had expressed a desire for his soldiers to carry out genocide in Lebanon. Engert’s post, which surfaced on Monday evening, has been widely circulated in Israeli media, even after it was removed from the platform, according to the Anadolu Agency.
The Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation reported that Engert’s post included a snippet from a file sent by the brigade’s commander to his soldiers, in which he stated, “Lebanese villages will become desolate, and its roads will be impassable.” This statement was interpreted as a call for extreme military action against Lebanon.
Channel 12 reported on Tuesday that since October 7, the soldiers of the Alexandroni Brigade have served over 200 days in reserve duty along the Lebanese border and in the Gaza Strip. Following the appointment of the new commander, he sent a message to the brigade’s soldiers, saying, “A new commander has joined the brigade… First of all, I hope the fighters will commit genocide.”
In another post, Engert reportedly described soldiers from the far-right Religious Zionism Party, led by Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, as a “cult of death eaters.” This post further fueled the controversy surrounding her remarks.
In response to Engert’s revelations, Simcha Rothman, Chairman of the Knesset Constitution, Law, and Justice Committee, sent a letter to the Defense Minister, the Chief of Staff, and the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, urging them to conduct a disciplinary investigation and take action against Engert. Smotrich also reacted on X, questioning, “Is there any reason we woke up this morning without the Israeli army announcing that this lady [Engert] has been fired from the army?”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2024 18:51 utc | 199
Jane wrote this up thread
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Feels like a test run for blowing up the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
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I am beginning to think that this might be the next step in Occupied Palestine escalation sans nukes. Since they have destroyed other temples w/o retribution then, like Jane wrote, they will just keep going.
We are in end game of empire here. Think about that Z is talking publicly about creating a plan to militarily put themselves in the best negotiating position with Russia…..and he is going to run it by Biden, Harris and Trump….LOL!
Back to Occupied Palestine….any reports yet coming out of the damage by 340 and ongoing Hezbollah strikes?
No negotiations means one side will collapse or the other. I know which side I am seeing collapse, just like in Ukraine……the civilization war is entering a final phase.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 27 2024 20:17 utc | 200