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August 8, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-189
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Awareness of L I H O P is going mainstream.
A strong indicator is that it has gotten the attention of hasbara.
And now there are sophisticated efforts by hasbara to promote a mucked up version of LIHOP.
We all saw a similar thing happen after Septemeber 11th as people were wising up to that treachery being an
inside job. A prime example was the creation of a mucked up version of September 11th which
proposed that “mini-nukes” had brought down the towers.
Such fallicies serve to divide, distract and bring disrepute upon those honestly seeking answers.
What is hasbara selling now? That Mossad and Hamas at it’s highest level were partners on October 7th.
Undoubtly, Mossad has had HUMINT (human intelligence) crawling all over Gaza for years, likely within Hamas too;
but hasbara is promoting a theory of top level betrayal within Hamas.
Is it possible that Netanyahu has been resisting the return of the hostages because the surviving IDF border spotters are eye witnesses to very damning evidence with major implications for the future of his government and of himself?
That evidence, which has been kept on the sidelines until recently, suggests that the elements of the Israeli government may have been involved with elements of Hamas in mutual preparations for the events of October 7.
Constant references to “intelligence failures” has diverted attention from this kind of possibility.
It is perfectly possible that the events of October 7 as they unfolded involved complex networks of collusion. Those networks of collusion might have intertwined some elements of the Netanyahu government
with parts of the deeply-involved intelligence agencies, and with factions within Hamas, but especially those factions residing in Doha under the protection of Emir Al-Thani.
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Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
Awareness of L I H O P is going mainstream.
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
I’d rather awareness of Genocide go mainstream.
If they approach the LIHOP ‘revelation’ with the same level of apathy they approach the Genocide with, then there’s no hope for humankind at all.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 13:47 utc | 3
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
Source link for what looks like an excerpt, please.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 13:48 utc | 4
@ librul
It’s no surprise 10/7 bears many similarities to 9/11, they both involved mossad.
Is it possible there were some traitors inside Hamas – yes, likely no but is possible. There were dozens (maybe hundreds) of traitors in the US for 9/11, from Cheney/Wolfowitz on down.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 13:57 utc | 5
The Paleshitstainians are being flushed down the toilet…heheheh
Posted by: Sam Seder | Aug 8 2024 13:57 utc | 6
With Yahya Sinwar as the new top leader of Hamas the ceasefire negotiations will certainly change in character. Sinwar won’t go to negotiation session in Cairo or Rome or wherever because he knows the jews will assassinate him, or anyone else who dares show up. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next ceasefire negotiations take place in the tunnels under Gaza.
Posted by: Chas | Aug 8 2024 14:03 utc | 7
MSM-ish PBS News Hour interviewed the Mayor of Dearborn Michigan yesterday, August 7. He thinks a large proportion of potential US voters want a permanent ceasefire in Jewrael. And if no Presidential candidate offers this then they’re not going to vote.
It’ll be interesting to see if the Zionist-controlled Western MSM follows PBS’s lead.
(ALL MSM in Oz is totally jewed-up and still describes October 7 as the day ‘Hamas’ slaughtered 1000+ innocent Jews. Their lack of curiosity/independence is shameful).
The interview with the Mayor starts approx 22 minutes into the broadcast.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 8 2024 14:08 utc | 8
“The Paleshitstainians are being flushed down the toilet…heheheh” Posted by: Sam Seder 6
Sam, I’m not used to reading brain dead comments like this – your latest contribution to moonofalabama.
I’m thinking you might find a better fit for your special-bus type of character on sites that celebrate murder and mayhem rather than wasting your time here proving how utterly disgusting you are.
Posted by: arthurdecco | Aug 8 2024 14:11 utc | 9
I wonder if the Palestinians will bulldoze all the (Zionist) Jewish graveyards into the sea once Israhell collapses and the colonizers flee back to Ukraine?
After all, it’s be a terrible waste of land a violation of zoning rights to keep those graves there.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 14:25 utc | 10
A bit of good news
Israel revoked diplomatic status of 8 Norwegian diplomats in response to Norway’s recognition of Palestinian statehood and support for an ICC case against Israeli leaders. Israeli Foreign Minister warned of consequences for what he called “anti-Israel behavior”.
https://t.me/presstv/105993
Yeah, we know all about the “consequences” since 22. July 2011
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 8 2024 14:29 utc | 11
@ norwegian
They got off lucky. In the US, you can lose your job and/or get arrested and charged with ‘hate crime’.
https://theintercept.com/2024/08/08/journalist-hate-crime-gaza-protest/
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 14:35 utc | 12
@motorslug | Aug 8 2024 14:35 utc | 12
I am not sure the 69 dead see themselves as being lucky (ref. “consequences”)
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 8 2024 14:38 utc | 13
…
The interview with the Mayor starts approx 22 minutes into the broadcast.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 8 2024 14:08 utc | 8
Correction:
The interview starts approx 12 minutes into the broadcast and runs for 6+ minutes.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 8 2024 14:46 utc | 14
@ norwegian
I was referring to losing diplomatic status only…sorry for the confusion.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 14:53 utc | 15
https://actionabletruth.substack.com/p/blue-shirts-october-7
Posted by: dez | Aug 8 2024 15:10 utc | 16
I’m a US voter, and I’m going to vote for Jill Stein, above all because of the genocide. Does the mayor of Dearborn not call for this because, if he did, he would be expelled from the Dem party?
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 8 2024 15:11 utc | 17
@ lysias
Probably, yes. The dems spend more time and effort battling the left (Greens/DSA/progressives) than they do the reps. Conversely the reps spend considerable effort fighting the Libertarians and ‘Eisenhower republicans’. Both parties work for the same bosses and the 3rd parties do not. If all else fails, get aipac to spend millions to primary you out of a job, as I alluded to with the Norwegian issue.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/07/aipac-hijacks-us-elections/
https://www.commondreams.org/news/cori-bush-aipac
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 15:21 utc | 18
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
Source link for what looks like an excerpt, please.
@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 13:48 utc | 4
Catch-22
Don’t want to promote any further an article that appears to be promoting a hasbara angle.
So, no, to source link.
However, the same article had a couple of good links.
1)
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-17/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-surprised-to-hear-what-happened-at-israeli-army-base-on-october-7/00000190-bfd0-d2f8-abdb-bff421df0000
archive: https://archive.ph/dXZv3
2)
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2024-07-17/ty-article/.highlight/netanyahu-is-playing-dumb-on-his-october-7-failures-dont-believe-him/00000190-c1e5-d258-a3ff-e5ed94dd0000
archive: https://archive.is/AkZMO
From 1) [Netanyahu meeting with families of IDF border watchers, “spotters”.]
At the meeting, the parents told Netanyahu about how their daughters had warned repeatedly of a Hamas invasion. The mother of one of the soldiers said that her daughter, who had just finished her training and had only served at the Nahal Oz base for a week, predicted what was about to happen.
“She came home to us and said: There’s going to be an invasion,” the mother said. “When did she tell you that?” Netanyahu asked, and the mother replied: “During the time she was there. She said it several times, in fact.”
Another woman at the meeting said, “For a month, they were telling us every day: ‘It’s trouble, they [Hamas] keep training.'” The prime minister asked her: “They told you that?” And another participant answered: “They told us, and we demand answers about this, immediately, not when the war ends.”
From 2)
Opposition leader Yair Lapid called Netanyahu out even more explicitly, saying that when a national commission of inquiry does take place, he will be there to testify that he “saw the same intelligence materials that the prime minister saw” and that the information made it “clear to anyone who understands anything that something terrible was going to happen.”
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 15:27 utc | 19
Yes, it is obvious that Israel is responsible for the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran with the support of US and the West.
However the INTELLIGENCE of his whereabouts were provided by a country in the region and yet don’t see anyone doing [h]is job in finding out who it was and why ‘they’ did it.
I published a quizz here few days ago with the potential culprits.
Today we read that the top diplomats of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have blamed the killing of Hamas political bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh on Israel, according to the final communique of the extraordinary session of the OIC Council of Foreign Ministers but yet nothing about the INTELLIGENCE.
Posted by: AI | Aug 8 2024 15:45 utc | 20
@Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
Correction.
I made an edit to the quote for clarity that I meant to note with brackets.
“because the surviving IDF border spotters are eye witnesses”
meant to have this:
“because the surviving [IDF border] spotters are eye witnesses”
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 15:45 utc | 21
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 14:25 utc | 10
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They won’t desecrate the graves. That’s a non-believer thing.
There is no greater terror for a Muslim than to displease God. These Zionists don’t understand the forces they are mocking.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 15:47 utc | 22
hahaha
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1821546276271370461
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
@ejmalrai #BreakingNews:
The final dates for retaliation for #Israel’s violations of international law and unlawful targeted assassinations have been set and all military plans approved:
#Hezbollah and #Iran have decided to attack by force tonight at 2:00 am local time, or perhaps tomorrow and most likely on Saturday. It is not out of the question that they will attack on Sunday evening or perhaps next week. If there are any updates I’ll keep you posted as dates can change depending on weather conditions, especially the temperature of the sun in the shade.
Stay in your shelters Israel and don’t try to leave. Your Prime Minister @Netanyahu has worked hard to get you into this situation.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1821531738218049714
For the first time since 1917, #Israel is preparing tents for settlers in the Negev desert in case of all-out war, following retaliation by #Hezbollah, #Iran, #Yemen and #Iran for @Netanyahu
‘s assassination and violations of their sovereignty.
This is real punishment without firing a single bullet.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 8 2024 16:10 utc | 23
#Hezbollah and #Iran have decided to attack by force tonight at 2:00 am local time, or perhaps tomorrow and most likely on Saturday.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 8 2024 16:10 utc | 23
Oh come on, Magnier, pick a time!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 16:30 utc | 24
There is no greater terror for a Muslim than to displease God. These Zionists don’t understand the forces they are mocking.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 15:47 utc | 22
The Zionists were so unbelievably lucky they chose a Muslim nation to genocide and not Christians or Buddhists.
This shit wouldn’t have dragged over 76 years if they hadn’t chosen Muslims to serve as their sacrificial lamb.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 16:34 utc | 25
@ arch
No, xians they just prefer to spit on, figuratively and literally.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 16:35 utc | 26
https://archive.ph/1wde3
UK pension fund dumps Israeli assets
Posted by: JAB | Aug 8 2024 16:36 utc | 27
Repeating the set of local Palestine links…
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 8 2024 16:49 utc | 28
The US is sending a myriad of jets to defend the Zionists.
Roughly a dozen F/A-18 fighter jets from the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier flew to a unknown base in West Asia – F/A-18s and an E-2D Hawkeye surveillance aircraft took off from the carrier in the Gulf of Oman and arrived at the undisclosed base on Monday.
Also US jets flew from RAF Lakenheath in England today – heading in the same direction F-22 Raptors – F-16’s F-15’s and F-35’s.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 8 2024 17:06 utc | 29
Space News.
The sun’s activity is rated High. There are a number of large sunspots facing the Earth. That have the potential to produce High energy CMEs. One CME Rated M5 is projected to reach the Earth Aug 9-10th. This approaching CME is expected to cause communication blackouts in the areas of Earth it hits directly.
Its possible that Iran may be coordinating it response with a possible CME. Which if large enough will disrupt communications and cause blackouts of Satellite ballistic missile launch detection in the Mid East.
Imagine the panic caused in Israel if US satellites protecting them go down and Iran can launch undetected.
Perhaps all this high sunspot activity at this particular time is a little “Heavenly Intervention”?
Posted by: golddigger | Aug 8 2024 17:11 utc | 30
We all saw a similar thing happen after Septemeber 11th as people were wising up to that treachery being an
inside job. A prime example was the creation of a mucked up version of September 11th which
proposed that “mini-nukes” had brought down the towers.. . .
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
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Librul, Glad you know the answers as to what occurred on 9/11, and can inform barflies what that was.
Please share what really occurred on 9/11 with the rest of us! And at the same time perhaps you can explain the mininukes theory of Dr. Heinz Pommer and show why it is wrong.
We need more gatekeepers like you to shield our poor little minds from the necessity of examining evidence on our own and deciding what is hasbara and what might actually be useful information.
When someone (was it Reginald or someone with a name like that) posted a video that proposed that some Hamas might have colluded in some way with Mossad to orchestrate the Oct. 7 incident in the way the Israelis wanted, I commented specifically asking for responses to that information, which include the info about the spotters. Were these stories true or false? What in the video was false?
Instead of generating an educational discussion, someone immediately jumped in to attack me and derail the issue onto the Rothschilds—a very minor aspect of the video under discussion—and also to accuse me of being hasbara or something and loft other annoying innuendo. Result: no genuine discussion of the content of the video. I wondered what that person was really up to. (Hmm, speaking of the Rothschilds, I think the fellow who had made the video was named John Hankey or something like that.)
I do not think it is right or commendable for barflies deliberately to withhold links etc. because they do not trust others to exercise their own critical judgment. Especially if Barfly 1 flags the linked info as possibly or IHO (in his opinion) hasbara.
(Kind of reminds me of the “pornography and community standards committees” back in the day who examined all of the potential pornography themselves to protect the poor little public from harm!!)
All in good fun, “just joking,” and all that!! ((:-))
Posted by: Jane | Aug 8 2024 17:13 utc | 31
Its possible that Iran may be coordinating it response with a possible CME. Which if large enough will disrupt communications and cause blackouts of Satellite ballistic missile launch detection in the Mid East.
Posted by: golddigger | Aug 8 2024 17:11 utc | 30
But wouldn’t the CME affect Iranian communications and control as well?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 17:15 utc | 32
From the Secretary General of Yemen’s Ansarullah:
The delay in the response of the axis of resistance to the Zionist regime is a purely tactical move.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:28 utc | 33
Palestinians not only need statehood. They also need public war crimes trials.
Must see TV.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:31 utc | 34
“But wouldn’t the CME affect Iranian communications and control as well?”
Not if Missiles use internal navigation. Or guidance other than GPS/GLONASS.
Iran has not use GPS guided missiles for many years. Because they can be jammed.
Internal navigation may not be as pinpoint accurate as GPS. But will usually be Close Enough to do the job.= 10-15 meters.
back in April Iranian missiles easily flew thru EW jamming and other western AD to hit their targets.
Posted by: golddigger | Aug 8 2024 17:32 utc | 35
Palestinians not only need statehood. They also need public war crimes trials.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:31 utc | 34
Reparations too. Reparations on the scale the Jews recovered from the Nazis post-WW2.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 17:33 utc | 36
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 17:33 utc | 36
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I think infamy will be much more productive than compensation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:57 utc | 38
All kinds of rumours are floating around about Iran’s retaliatory move against Israel.
An old school buddy of mine lives in Teheran. He has no special contact with the government… BUT he is telling me the general consensus among his friends is Iran will strike harder than on April 14. You may remember that, on April 14, Iran fired a few missiles that hit 2 military bases and one radar/observation post… AND lots of diversionary drones.
The drones cost a few $100,000 and were obsolete but the US and Israel spent $4 billions to shoot them down.
The impending attack will be mostly limited to military infrastructure and may include Haifa’s petrochemical facilities. The rationale for Haifa is that the US would pressure israel NOT to attack Iran’s oil facilities as the destruction of these could cause an energy crisis and an economic crisis in the midst of a presidential election.
Although my buddy expects the retaliatory strike to take place by August 15, he emphasized Iran will not operate under any schedule… the uncertainty is causing Israel lots of economic and psychological damage.
Posted by: Liberator | Aug 8 2024 18:08 utc | 39
Do you swear by Almighty God to tell anything but the truth, the half truth , the opposite of the truth.
Yes M’Lud.
Good man, Net-tights, that’s the way to do it.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 8 2024 18:12 utc | 40
My guess is not Friday. Saturday, Jewish sabbath, is more likely, Sunday less so.
Otoh, Israelis are nervously waiting for the axe to fall, as time goes on anxiety and loss of sleep has its toll. I heard pilots/jets are waiting at the ready as soon as word of drones/missiles arrive, how long can you be ready?
Posted by: John k | Aug 8 2024 18:26 utc | 41
What I remember most about 4/12 was the knesset flyover.
Posted by: Mary | Aug 8 2024 18:30 utc | 42
Posted by: golddigger | Aug 8 2024 17:32 utc | 35 “Iranian missiles easily flew thru EW jamming”
What EW jamming was aimed at Iranian ballistic missiles? Wouldn’t it have mostly been drones EW was aimed at? Maybe cruise missiles?
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2024 18:35 utc | 43
Posted by: Liberator | Aug 8 2024 18:08 utc | 39
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A simple assaSSination of a legitimate target and highest bidder is all it takes to bring about justice in the name of the martyrs. The world majority will celebrate such outcome.
Posted by: AI | Aug 8 2024 18:36 utc | 44
Any barflies have solid info on the Russian supplies, other than S400?
https://kmaupdates.com/2024/08/07/iran-receives-first-deliveries-of-s-400s-from-russias-almaz-antey/
The smartest thing Iran/Hezbollah/Yemen could do would be to send hundreds of cheap drones and a few dummy missiles to deplete the GTA batteries and put pilots on a goose chase followed a few minutes later by thousands of armed drones/missiles and several hundred hypersonics. Best targets would be desalinization plants, bases/barracks, Dimona and Tirosh nuclear storage sites.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 18:38 utc | 45
Posted by: John k | Aug 8 2024 18:26 utc | 41 “nervously waiting for the axe to fall”
Posted by: Liberator | Aug 8 2024 18:08 utc | 39 “uncertainty is causing Israel lots of economic and psychological damage”
I wonder what the additional damage could be measured against the backdrop of daily attacks by Hezbollah? And these days, sporadic attacks by Hamas?
I don’t think there is much additional damage before hand, just the possibility a lot more after.
btw “Iran fired a few missiles” was over 100?
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 8 2024 18:40 utc | 46
LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:31 utc | 34
The trial must include ALL Israeli airforce pilots, maybe all pilots (i.e. including those of the ‘civilian’ airlines). ALL. No excuse.
There were some pilots whom refused, to participate, if I recollect.
Posted by: fanto | Aug 8 2024 18:48 utc | 47
Posted by: fanto | Aug 8 2024 18:48 utc | 47
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I hate to say it, but those are small-time. The leaders, the international icons, the ones who are feted in London and Washington DC. The ones who got standing ovations, the ones who have been in awkward photo shoots in Time Magazine.
True justice cannot come from men. Judgment and justice will come from God, later.
What we can do is expose Zionism for the evil it is, and hope that lasts 4 or 5 generations because if there is one thing I know about humanity, it is that we love to repeat the same lessons over and over again.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 18:54 utc | 48
As of 18 October 2023, in accordance with UNSCR 2231, all restrictions unjustly imposed on ballistic missile-related activities and transfers to/from the Islamic Republic of Iran terminate; and Iran is no longer subject to any restriction in the context of the #SecurityCouncil.Oct 19, 2023
Iran is under the umbrella of Russia – and is legally eligible for hypersonic missiles, such as the Kinzal. This may have some implications for slow down in response, separation of response from Hezbollah. While Netanyahu may ignore the game changing implications, wiser heads than Blinken or Sullivan in the Pentagon may be well aware of the increase in threat level to Israel and US assets. Back channel communications?
Posted by: abierno | Aug 8 2024 19:26 utc | 49
This answers that question….
Jill Stein is the only candidate who would consider ending arms shipments to Israel.
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Kamala Harris ‘does not support’ Israel arms embargo
The national security adviser for US presidential nominee Kamala Harris emphasises that she does not support putting an end to arms transfers to Israel amid the war on Gaza.
“She does not support an arms embargo on Israel,” writes Phil Gordon on X, adding that Harris will always be committed to protecting Israel as the country expects a retaliation by Iran and Lebanon’s Hezbollah to assassinations in Tehran and Beirut.
The statement comes amid calls for transparency on the stance of the incumbent vice president on US support for the deadly war. Harris has not personally commented on the arms transfers that have persisted despite US weapons being used to kill civilians in Gaza. – Al Jazeera live-feed
Posted by: teri | Aug 8 2024 19:53 utc | 50
This answers that question….
Jill Stein is the only candidate who would consider ending arms shipments to Israel.
Posted by: teri | Aug 8 2024 19:53 utc | 50
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I wouldn’t say the only one. I can’t imagine Brother Cornel supporting arms to Israel, ditto the fairly reliably isolationist Libertarians (although they often disappoint) or the various socialist/communist parties.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 8 2024 19:58 utc | 51
Cornel West would also stop arms to Occupied Palestine, Chase Oliver (libertarian) has only pledged ‘to end the genocide’.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 20:00 utc | 52
LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 18:54 utc | 48
it goes without saying, that those you mention, are the one who give orders, the desk murderers *those sitting behind a desk” -they would be included.
Posted by: fanto | Aug 8 2024 20:12 utc | 53
@ 43 “What EW jamming was aimed at Iranian ballistic missiles? Wouldn’t it have mostly been drones EW was aimed at? Maybe cruise missiles?”
I guess I should have been clearer. I used Missiles as a catch all word.
Iran’s newer attack suicide Missiles, Cruise missiles, and Drones. Starting after around 2012 or so are internally guided. The only EW effective against them would be Microwave, or EMP burst, which would fry their electronics.
But these types of EW are limited in range and must be aimed at the object. Not really practical in a mass attack. Also easily destroyed by weapons programed to home in on their RF emissions.
Posted by: golddigger | Aug 8 2024 20:14 utc | 54
Here is some insight into what the Israeli Knesset is preparing – settling Gaza.
From the Yemeni news agency, as I have no other source (their translation is always rough):
Enemy Media: “Zionist” plan to settle Gaza Strip
OCCUPIED QUDS August 08. 2024 (Saba) – Enemy media revealed on Thursday that members of the Zionist Knesset and the head of the Shomron Regional Council, Yossi Dagan, have formed a working group they described as parliamentary and civilian, aimed at abolishing the separation law.
The new bill joins the law passed by the Knesset in March to repeal the separation plan in the northern Shomron – northern West Bank, and Defense Minister Yoav Galant’s orders in May to enforce the provisions of the Separation-Decoupling Law.
Israel’s Channel 12 website reported …Shomron Council Chairman Yossi Dagan said, “The only way to protect the settlements surrounding Gaza and teach the enemy a harsh lesson is to settle in the Gaza Strip.
“The secession led to the ‘massacre’ of the seventh of October October, and the fact that the separation law remains in the Israeli book of laws is a disgrace to Israel,” he said.
As we returned to Homesh, we must return to Gush Katif and the northern Gaza Strip first.
We need to seize territory, and this is the real response, our victory will be clear, and it will also be a real deterrent against our enemies.”
MK Zvi Sokkot, head of the lobby for the renewal of settlements in the Gaza Strip, said, “Victory means settlements. After the destruction of Hamas, we must teach future generations that whoever “slaughters” us will also lose land. It is time to claim “our land,” as he put it.
MK Amit Halevy said, “The first law that should have been amended after October October 7 was the separation law, to make it clear to the world that the Gaza Strip is an integral part of our ‘homeland,’ and there will be no area free of Jews. These provisions of this law constitute a moral stain on the record of Israeli law and we will remove them together as soon as possible.”
MK Ariel Kleiner said that “there is no escape from ‘terrorism’ or from the purpose of the Jewish people and their attachment to the ‘land’ of Israel.” Just as we succeeded in amending the law that forbade Jews from being in northern Shomron, we will also do so in Gush Katif.
Posted by: JB | Aug 8 2024 20:34 utc | 55
@ goldigger
I read somewhere on these forums I think that Hezbollah supposedly has EMP weapons, I assume sans the nuclear blast, and intends to make use of the advantage should all out war occur. Anyone have real info on this?
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 20:50 utc | 56
Current US navy near Palestine:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240808/which-us-navy-warships-are-deployed-in-middle-eastern-hot-spots–1119683142.html
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 20:54 utc | 57
JB 55
They sound like Hitler, Goering, Eichmann, Himmler .
I suppose it’s the same old British plan, Let our enemies in Nazism fight our enemies in Moscow, and we will rule the world .
Trouble is, the plan didn’t work last time, so why is it going to work this time?
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 8 2024 21:39 utc | 58
Reparations too. Reparations on the scale the Jews recovered from the Nazis post-WW2.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 17:33 utc | 36
Reparation were from the german people not from the nazis.
Reparation came from the whole Europe in deed….until today.
Posted by: Roberto | Aug 8 2024 22:18 utc | 59
Typical zionist reverse blame:
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/08/caitlin-johnstone-kamala-harris-genocide/
Democratic candidate Kamala Harris shouted down protesters against the U.S.-backed incineration of Gaza during a campaign rally on Wednesday, responding to their chants of “we won’t vote for genocide” by telling them they’re helping Trump win.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 22:34 utc | 60
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 20:50 utc | 56
https://tass.com/politics/1673179
This is not a joke imo.
Posted by: eman | Aug 8 2024 22:41 utc | 61
It has been noticed how a lot of threats to attack, especially by Israel against Lebanon and against Iran, have been repeatedly made but not been put into action. So why are they uttered?
On the surface, they could just be blowing off steam. Also, they could be a form of verbal terror against the threatened populations. But most likely they have another dimension.
Both the Zionists and the Resistance would rather that the other side attack first, in order to occupy the moral high ground. In the case of the Zionists and their western imperialist allies, they are constantly trying to goad Iran to attack, the same way they previously strove to goad Russia, thinking it would do them some good, and the way they goad China to attack Taiwan. While it would benefit the rulers of any place to be able to show their publics they were fighting defensively, in the case of the US, it is absolutely vital for the Zionists to show themselves as the victim in order to drag the US into direct intervention. It must be quite disconcerting to the Zionists that the US public are against the US going to war for Israel. What they hope for is that an attack on them would change that, even though it won’t. One more useless but murderous Zionist illusion.
Posted by: Cabe | Aug 8 2024 22:44 utc | 62
Posted by: Roberto | Aug 8 2024 22:18 utc | 59
Thanks for the correction.
So, you see, collective punishment is justified under certain conditions …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 23:06 utc | 63
According to Colonel Douglas Macgregor and Larry Johnson a commando force consisting of around 70 IDF special forces and Academi (formerly Blackwater) mercenaries recently successfully infiltrated into Yemen on a mission to locate and destroy mobile missile launch systems. However, their movements were tracked by (presumably) Russian satellites and the information passed to Iran who forwarded it on to Ansar Allah. Ansar Allah set up an ambush and killed all of them. Colonel Macgregor said he’d seen footage of the dead and could confirm that they were mostly Israelis with the rest being Americans and, possibly, British.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 8 2024 23:08 utc | 64
I think infamy will be much more productive than compensation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:57 utc | 38
I fail to see how infamy will help reconstruct the shattered family and social structure of Palestinian society in the ruins of what remains …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 23:12 utc | 65
10/7 has as many suspicious components as the attempted assassination of the Orange One.
Posted by: jfrchitect | Aug 8 2024 23:34 utc | 66
Academi (formerly Blackwater) mercenaries recently successfully infiltrated into Yemen on a mission to locate and destroy mobile missile launch systems. However, their movements were tracked by (presumably) Russian satellites and the information passed to Iran who forwarded it on to Ansar Allah. Ansar Allah set up an ambush and killed all of them. Colonel Macgregor said he’d seen footage of the dead and could confirm that they were mostly Israelis with the rest being Americans and, possibly, British.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 8 2024 23:08 utc | 64
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Good story Siddhartha, I love the smell of dead fascist merc’s in the morning!
Posted by: Ed | Aug 8 2024 23:36 utc | 67
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 20:50 utc | 56
https://tass.com/politics/1673179
Could be a bad translation.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 8 2024 23:54 utc | 68
Reparation were from the german people not from the nazis.
Reparation came from the whole Europe in deed….until today.
Posted by: Roberto | Aug 8 2024 22:18 utc | 59
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Nazis were German people too and didn’t a lot of European countries support the Nazis, or at least they helped round up the Jews. In fact, “…on June 6, 1939, the MS St. Louis, a commercial passenger cruise ship from Germany, headed back to Europe from the coastline of the United States after the Roosevelt administration (among other government agencies) refused to grant docking privileges to the ship because it had about 900 Jews on board who were seeking refugee status from European anti-Semitism.
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Posted by: Ed | Aug 8 2024 23:59 utc | 69
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 22:34 utc | 60
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What is the difference when it comes to Israel / Gaza? If the issue were only a concern about getting elected, and her needing AIPAC (and other Jewish) funding to win, you might just shake your head and move on. But Biden, and I think Harris are both fanatical Zionist. Trump is pro-Zio as well, but mostly he is just an opportunist.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 0:13 utc | 70
@Sam Seder,
It is Zitzrael which is being flushed down the toilet and the world will cheer its eradication for the same reasons it cheered the end of Nazi Germany. The Israelis were never going to win this colonial war of slaughter, theft and torture and Palestine will be free and most of the 8 million Palestinians in the Diaspora will return to their homeland and most of the illegal Israeli colonists will leave. Justice at last for ancient Palestine and its noble and brave people.
Posted by: rosross | Aug 9 2024 0:35 utc | 71
/throws bottlecap onto mini hopscotch
😀
The antici… pation is grueling! I’m surprised no one puts a lock outside on the cages, er, bomb shelters of the Israeli leaders that are causing all this. 😉 But perhaps humans have different rules for their cages.
=)
/tries to sing, badly, mostly just cheeping to rhythm
/plays hopscotch
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 9 2024 0:51 utc | 72
“ I fail to see how infamy will help reconstruct the shattered family and social structure of Palestinian society in the ruins of what remains …”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 23:12 utc | 65
Infamy will help some, if a people sees their claim validated by the ROW.
Money will help some as well.
What would really help?
If we all left well enough alone.
As much as empire has spent on all of this (British, US, Europe) we could just BUY the damn oil at a fair price and be happy.
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 9 2024 1:05 utc | 73
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 8 2024 20:50 utc | 56
https://tass.com/politics/1673179
Could be a bad translation.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 8 2024 23:54 utc | 68
I don’t think so. I clearly recall VVP making the claim that Ru is exploring ‘new physical principles’ in the context of war-fighting. However, the following paragraph from the Tass link is, imo, irrelevant to new physical principles because laser, ultrasound and RF weapons aren’t new or novel:
Developing weapons based on new physical principles involves the use of novel technologies and principles of action. Such weapons include laser, ultrasonic, radio-frequency arms and others.
It means whatever VVP wants it to mean. But it could mean that Russia has stumbled on a new physical principle but have yet to fully exploit it.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 9 2024 1:25 utc | 74
glennzilla
https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1821229419911885150
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
What this Israeli is actually arguing on mainstream Israeli television is that not only does he support anal rape on detainees as an appropriate form or revenge and torture, but that the only thing he laments is that the Israeli state isn’t using anal rape more systematically.
https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1821276671233917208
Because there’s no other country that I know of that puts people on mainstream television networks to defend the morality and necessity of anally raping detainees and urging that more of it be done.
And members of the Knesset also support it and the IDF is doing it.
I don’t recall ever seeing anyone in Brazil or the US put on network television for the purpose of advocating that the government should use anal rape more frequently as an instrument of torture and vengeance, while the military does it.
https://x.com/SystemUpdate_/status/1821551186031337598
(see video of Mearsheimer)
“Israel is in really deep, deep trouble today, and it only gets worse with the passage of time.”
Prof. John Mearsheimer on why Israel has not called for a ceasefire despite its dwindling military manpower, surrounding missile threats, and internal societal and political divisions:
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 9 2024 1:37 utc | 75
Well song song & video:
Fairuz “A sword, let it be unsheathed” فيروز سيف فليشهر
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GcEU4EcgpRk
2 min 32 seconds vid
The song was from 1966.
The video show’s current conditions.
Shows enduring support for Palestinian cause.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 9 2024 1:50 utc | 76
Enemy Media: “Zionist” plan to settle Gaza Strip
Posted by: JB | Aug 8 2024 20:34 utc | 55
That’s a given, it’s the oil reserves and real estate.
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 2:12 utc | 77
BRICS News
@BRICSinfo
🇷🇺 🇮🇷 Russia Sends S-400 “Triumf” air defense systems to Iran.
https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1821573422713049504
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 2:16 utc | 78
https://x.com/strike_dr/status/1821628859672096919
★☭MassStrikeNow☭★ @strike_dr
two photos,
First photo: A group of 10 Palestinian children sitting to pose for a picture, with the caption:
Please stop murdering us
Second photo: Kamala Harris at a rally, with the caption:
I’m speaking
AND
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1821536723592941588
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
She’d never dare talk like this to Netanyahu
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 9 2024 2:18 utc | 79
The antici… pation [ . . . ]
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 9 2024 0:51 utc | 72
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I would’ve thought that RHPS was past a titmouse’s bedtime!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 9 2024 2:18 utc | 80
Craig Mokhiber
@CraigMokhiber
Tomorrow is the anniversary of the US-perpetrated atomic massacre at Nagasaki, one of the most brutal atrocities in history. The US ambassador has insulted Japan, saying it will not attend the ceremony, because Israel, now on trial for genocide, is not invited. Apparently the US ambassador, whose father was a Zionist terrorist in the Irgun, feels lonely without other genocidal maniacs present.
https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1821643964363264056
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 2:19 utc | 81
Mehdi Hasan
@mehdirhasan
“Accusing the far left of being anti-Jewish [on this] is so absurd because in 2024 a lot of the far left are going to vote for Jill Stein who’s Jewish & in 2020 they wanted Bernie Sanders who’s Jewish. Let’s stop the gaslighting & weaponizing of antisemitism.”
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1821373437799014680
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 2:24 utc | 82
Ed 70
Mostly Trump is just an opportunist.
Only in a US presidential election could association with anal rapist, mass murdering , gibbering Jiddish psychopaths help you to win.
Here in Europe, association is not enough. You actually have to be one.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 9 2024 2:40 utc | 83
It means whatever VVP wants it to mean. But it could mean that Russia has stumbled on a new physical principle but have yet to fully exploit it.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 9 2024 1:25 utc | 74
“physical principles” doesn’t quite make sense; “principles of physics” doesn’t either. I wonder what the Russian is.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 9 2024 4:03 utc | 84
Oh come on, Magnier, pick a time!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 8 2024 16:30 utc | 24
I thought he was playing to the fears of these rats and encouraging them to hide underground.
I would imagine hitting every airbase in the Occupied entity would be top priority. Without the air asset, the ability to inflict collateral damage to Lebanon and Syria would be curtailed.
I expect the cheap slow-moving drones will be launched from Lebanon, Syria and Iraq shortening the distance/time traveled and bypassing KSA, Gulf States, Jordanian airspaces and concentrating coalition of Evil’s air assets in preplanned kill zones.
No skin off Yemen’s nose to engage coalition of Evil’s naval assets since its payback time anyways.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2024 4:12 utc | 85
Infamy will help some, if a people sees their claim validated by the ROW
As much as empire has spent on all of this (British, US, Europe) we could just BUY the damn oil at a fair price and be happy.
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 9 2024 1:05 utc | 73
*looks back at the last 500 years of colonial European history*
How many genocides and how much infamy do we have to sit through before they come to that gentle realisation?
To paraphrase a (timely) old proverb:
“The Empire Can Remain Infamous Longer Than You Can Remain Extant”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 4:52 utc | 86
*New physical principles* is a good translation and means simply properties of matter that have only now been discovered. How many new principles are there? – likely tens of thousands. This is not one thing but a new advance in scientific inquiry spurred by AI. As for incorporating into new technologies or upgrading existing weapons, this will move at the pace standard development, more so if countries continue on a war footing.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Aug 9 2024 5:08 utc | 87
Didn’t the anticipation of a hot war in the world energy hub caused the global financial markets to nosedive Monday? I’m surprised nobody has considered a plausible cause for the delay is the bankers told Israel to knock it the F off.
Posted by: Willow | Aug 9 2024 5:55 utc | 88
The global financial markets nosedived Monday from the news of an immanent hot war smack dab in the world’s energy hub. IMHO the angry bankers told Israel to knock it the F off. In which case, the war is off.
Posted by: Willow | Aug 9 2024 6:00 utc | 89
The global financial markets nosedived Monday from the news of an immanent hot war smack dab in the world’s energy hub. IMHO the angry bankers told Israel to knock it the F off. In which case, the war is off.
Posted by: Willow | Aug 9 2024 6:01 utc | 90
Undoubtly, Mossad has had HUMINT (human intelligence) crawling all over Gaza for years, likely within Hamas too;
but hasbara is promoting a theory of top level betrayal within Hamas.
Posted by: librul | Aug 8 2024 13:30 utc | 2
I can imagine that in the course of this 10 month conflagration the traitors have been well filtered out, either as result of being bombed by the IAF or by showing up as obvious traitors during the hard-scrabble of resistance in the ruins …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 6:36 utc | 91
MHO the angry bankers told Israel to knock it the F off. In which case, the war is off.
Posted by: Willow | Aug 9 2024 6:01 utc | 90
Did those ngry bankers also prevail upon Iran to “knock off” their retaliation?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 6:38 utc | 92
FYI @b I’m getting 503 timeouts from your web hosting service …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 6:43 utc | 93
…
“physical principles” doesn’t quite make sense; “principles of physics” doesn’t either. I wonder what the Russian is.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 9 2024 4:03 utc | 84
One suspects that you’re assessing at it from a practical point of view. I’m assessing it from a wishful thinking perspective. i.e. wishin’ n hopin’ that someone will find a way to use electromagnetism and/or magnets to overcome or exploit Gravity in the service of propulsion.
There’s lots of weird stuff going on at the sub-atomic level.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 9 2024 6:50 utc | 94
For your reading pleasure:
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Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 7:23 utc | 95
Posted by: Willow | Aug 9 2024 6:01 utc | 90
No, it was the carry trade with Japan needing to be unwound after they raised interest rates. Really.
Of course it’s all a bubble, and possibly the ME situation played a part, but mostly it was just financial juggling.
More to come no doubt.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 9 2024 7:49 utc | 96
FYI @b I’m getting 503 timeouts from your web hosting service …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 6:43 utc | 93
Install and run free CC Cleaner. I think there are other good products out there too.
Same every time I visit MoA, strange things happen to my PC.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2024 8:01 utc | 97
Japan invites Palestine to Hiroshima Event.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240807-g7-nations-except-japan-left-fuming-as-nagasaki-refuses-invite-to-israel-to-commemorate-us-nuclear-bombing/
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2024 8:25 utc | 99
Install and run free CC Cleaner. I think there are other good products out there too.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2024 8:01 utc | 97
I’m of a mind to try Kaspersky. No more American antivirii for me, especially after what they did to John McAffee.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 9 2024 8:41 utc | 100