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August 3, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-183
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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‘For Your Eyes, Abu Al-Abd’ – Resistance Roundup – Day 302 Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 4:20 utc | 201 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202 Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 4 2024 4:20 utc | 202 Only deniable response, although China will not believe any cover story, is destruction of Saudi Aramco by Ansarullah. Posted by: necromancer | Aug 4 2024 4:30 utc | 203 NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202 “For any leftist worth their salt in here” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 4:32 utc | 204 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:03 utc | 197 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 4:44 utc | 205 @206 Peter Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:45 utc | 206 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 4:49 utc | 207 China helped to create this globalist hegemonic behemoth that we all rail against. If you can’t understand that, then you aren’t worth it buddy. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:00 utc | 208 PeterAu1 @ 206 Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4 2024 5:00 utc | 209 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 3 2024 16:00 utc | 6 Posted by: eman | Aug 4 2024 5:05 utc | 210 “There is probably some truth to the notion that China willingly allowed the US to outsource/offshore all of our main non-industrial-scale (i.e. “consumer” level) manufacturing to them. All the stuff about the treasury securities and all that aside. but I think you fall victim to this zero sum, adversarial, winner-loser thinking about something “the Chinese” don’t view that way at all.” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:07 utc | 211 @210 Tom Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 5:11 utc | 212 It’s not China’s fault that American bean counters insisted on minimizing labor cost. Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 4 2024 5:13 utc | 213 Middle East Eye live feed reports: Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 5:13 utc | 214 Hey Jane and Patroklos, maybe you guys should get a room. Sounds like true love. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 5:14 utc | 215 Chinese dynasties and empires pre-date Western colonialism, neo-liberalism and rot by nearly millennia. Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2024 5:21 utc | 216 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 4:32 utc | 206 Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 5:29 utc | 217 Indeed it’s never had any real kind of political sphere of influence over the world. They maintain a position of sitting and counting their coins and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:31 utc | 218 and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:34 utc | 219 @219 Greg Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 5:44 utc | 220 Live Middle East War update, live cameras: Posted by: ramAustralia | Aug 4 2024 5:56 utc | 221
For the time-deprived, here’s the condensed version: We’ve all witnessed how the supposedly principled, neutral chants of “neither Washington nor Moscow” ended. Are you currently residing in China with the ability to affect the political discourse in China? If not, why the hell is your rhetoric directed against China, when China is at best/worst a distant secondary contradiction, and the primary contradiction is your own ruling class that allows for Chinese goods to be imported? Why not ask your “elected” representatives to ban Chinese goods? Why point the blame at China for exporting the goods? I mean, your elites have already banned EVs, Huawei telecommunications equipment, etc., so it ain’t hard to ban more stuff, right? Just say it’s a national security issue. This is like the US blaming China’s export of meth precursor chemicals for the meth epidemic in the US, instead of looking at the lax laws and enforcement in the US. Look, let’s be honest here. You’re a fascist. It’s okay if you want to steal the leftist/socialist branding now that the socialist bloc is on the rise. After all, the Nazis called themselves National Socialists despite their policies being fascist in nature. And the first targets of Nazis? Not the Jews, but the communists. I get why you loathe China with a passion. Your sympathy for the plight of Russia is only because you see a White-passing face staring back at you, and you can empathize with that. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 4 2024 6:19 utc | 222 Won’t be winning any elections anytime soon, but still it is a start. Posted by: Fred | Aug 4 2024 6:23 utc | 223 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202 Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 4 2024 6:50 utc | 224 Bias: I (perhaps wrongly) do not think of myself as being on the left (but there doesn’t seem to be anything much on the right either unless one counts Fico, Orban, Putin, and maybe even Xi as being on the right —and one probably shouldn’t). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 4 2024 6:52 utc | 225 Fences don’t make good neighbours they just keep the psychopaths apart for a while. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 4 2024 7:02 utc | 226 collaborator Arab leadership may one day have to pay Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 7:12 utc | 227 Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 5:14 utc | 217 Posted by: biglebowski | Aug 4 2024 7:27 utc | 228 the Middle East’s ‘only democracy’ Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 8:02 utc | 229 Fred | Aug 4 2024 6:23 utc | 225 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 4 2024 8:23 utc | 230 Posted by: biglebowski | Aug 4 2024 7:27 utc | 230 Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2024 8:29 utc | 231 US not wanting large war in the middle east Until it can secure Venezuelan oil… ifI’m right on that, then its a good time for the axis of resistance to strike. The Iran Russia partnership, and what Putin said about arming/assisting others fighting the US. There appears to be a heavy airlift going on Russia to Iran. Russian EW systems already set up, photographed in Iran…. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 8:30 utc | 232 Do some research before making such ignorant statements Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 8:32 utc | 233 Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 8:02 utc | 231 Posted by: badjoke | Aug 4 2024 8:32 utc | 234 China in itself may continue to exist – yet its history is far from one covered in glory. Indeed it’s never had any real kind of political sphere of influence over the world. They maintain a position of sitting and counting their coins and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 4 2024 8:41 utc | 235 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 4 2024 8:23 utc | 232 Posted by: badjoke | Aug 4 2024 8:44 utc | 236 Re the American communist party. Jackson Hinkle is part of that. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 8:58 utc | 237 By dismissing the left/right political gradient out of hand you help do the work of those who have sullied it to the point of meaninglessness and inherent deception. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 9:06 utc | 238 they sure do Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 9:20 utc | 239 Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸 Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:23 utc | 240 Current Report Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:24 utc | 241 Iran Observer Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:25 utc | 242 @Arch Bungle | Aug 4 2024 7:02 utc | 228
I used to live in the house of a psychopath that was in constant fight with his neighbour. He once re-painted his side of the fence in a contrast colour and demonstrably let it spill over to the other side. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 9:26 utc | 243 Iran Observer Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:28 utc | 244 Seyed Mohammad Marandi Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:28 utc | 245 “The Islamic Republic of Iran will severely hammer the Zionist regime….” Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 9:42 utc | 246 https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-london-protest-gaza-ceasefire-tensions-escalate-middle-east Posted by: Joe | Aug 4 2024 9:44 utc | 247 Menz Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 9:48 utc | 248 @Joe | Aug 4 2024 9:44 utc | 250
The EU is a colonialist tool in Europe much like Israel is in the ME. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 9:50 utc | 249 Sure starting to look like something big is brewing. Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:55 utc | 250 Pelham Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:57 utc | 251 Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:02 utc | 137 “Isn’t the point more about the petrodollar relationship rather than US dependence on Gulf oil for its energy? Once OPEC nations no longer have to park their money in US T-bonds the empire goes into free fall.” Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:04 utc | 252 Peter, Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:04 utc | 253 Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:55 utc | 253 Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:11 utc | 254 Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:11 utc | 257 Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:12 utc | 255 *Video can not be attached as X platform algorithm is censoring the footage Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 10:16 utc | 257 HasbaRat sock puppets here trying to divert attention from the inevitable demise of the illegal apartheid entity in the Levant and the daily mass murder by terror air bombs and missiles – a dozen Guernicas every day for months! Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:19 utc | 258 Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 10:16 utc | 260 Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:23 utc | 259 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:19 utc | 261 “inevitable demise” Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:23 utc | 260 I am hearing Hezbollah and Iran have been cleaning house with lots of arrest made. Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 10:27 utc | 261 /stares off into space and whispers Posted by: titmouse | Aug 4 2024 10:28 utc | 262
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/29674 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 10:38 utc | 263 It ain’t just me saying so. Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:46 utc | 264 @ Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:23 utc | 263 Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:50 utc | 265
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/8153 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 10:55 utc | 266 Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 10:27 utc | 264 Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:56 utc | 267
https://x.com/JamesKroeger5/status/1780005894236828002 Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 11:12 utc | 268 https://thecradle.co/articles-id/26260 Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 4 2024 11:17 utc | 269 Houtis shoot down 9 million dollar Reaper Posted by: ld | Aug 4 2024 11:20 utc | 270 B., Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 11:21 utc | 271 “The oil thing isn’t as big as it once was.” It ain’t just me saying so. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 11:24 utc | 273 From Palestine Chronicle live feed:, Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 11:27 utc | 274 “Israel” must be dismantled. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 11:30 utc | 275 Hello everyone. Stay relaxed. Nobody is attacking Israel, just like nobody is attacking North Korea. Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 4 2024 11:47 utc | 276 Ah the friendly chitter chatter of Hasba Rats ! Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 12:07 utc | 277 Tommy Robinson (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) and the English Defence League (English & Jewish Defence League) are supposedly Israeli state assets in UK, with the purpose of violently countering pro-Palestine rallies in Britain, according to this analyst.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 4 2024 12:20 utc | 278 Re the American communist party. Jackson Hinkle is part of that. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 4 2024 12:32 utc | 279 Posted by: Joe | Aug 4 2024 9:44 utc | 250 Posted by: badjoke | Aug 4 2024 12:36 utc | 280 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 4 2024 6:52 utc | 227 Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 12:48 utc | 281 Middle Nation: Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 4 2024 13:01 utc | 282 Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 9:06 utc | 240 Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 13:12 utc | 283 Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 3 2024 20:24 utc | 87 Posted by: Mary | Aug 4 2024 13:19 utc | 284 Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 11:21 utc | 274 “That’s a sign B. that your Bar is getting attention and influence” Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 13:23 utc | 285 Then why have they sent a ginormous aircraft carrier into the region ? Posted by: Mary | Aug 4 2024 13:36 utc | 286 Greg | Aug 4 2024 13:12 utc | 286 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 13:39 utc | 287 Nah, been here for a while. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 13:54 utc | 288 @Arch Bungle | Sun, 04 Aug 2024 08:41:00 GMT | 237
It is one metric, and surely an interesting one. However, we cannot, categorically, dismiss ethical considerations – metrics, if you will – in view of political entities. Even if we may not agree, and act respectfully on our disagreement, we’re still forced to judge. This includes the hypothetical case where we have no morals at all, as such a stance is but another special case of ethics against our natural ability to reason (Vernunft). Posted by: persiflo | Aug 4 2024 13:57 utc | 289 If a longer running conflict occurs, the price of oil is likely to skyrocket. China as the largest importer would be hardest hit …. unless China has taken measures to avoid or mitigate oil shortage/high prices which it may well have done. Posted by: Mary | Aug 4 2024 13:58 utc | 290 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 13:54 utc | 291 Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 14:17 utc | 291 The right wing knuckle heads we see rioting on the streets in the UK now, are the same as could be seen in Ukraine for the years before Russias SMO. Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4 2024 14:29 utc | 292 Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 5:14 utc | 217 Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 14:33 utc | 293 I understand the token issue. I have had no problem yet. I have my own set of vector databases that I can shuttle in and out, which I hope will take care of that issue as I have a couple of different projects underway. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 14:36 utc | 294
That’s a joke. You did nothing of the sort. Let’s have at it again.
What is “common ownership?” If in a highly developed society, 40% of the people do all the work and 60% profiteer off it (I am assuming you are aware of Marx’ views on the lumpenproletariat, for example,) how does that work out? Lenin: “He who does not work shall not eat.” Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 14:36 utc | 295 Nah, been here for a while. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 14:40 utc | 296
That’s a joke. You did nothing of the sort. Let’s have at it again.
How are these terms “vital?” If they are “descriptive,” then describe them. In which way are these meanings “critical?”
What is “common ownership?” If in a highly developed society, 40% of the people do all the work and 60% profiteer off it (I am assuming you are aware of Marx’ views on the lumpenproletariat, for example,) how does that work out? Lenin: “He who does not work shall not eat.” Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 14:41 utc | 297 Out of curiosity I fed about 3,000 pages of this blog into a version of ChatGPT. The idea was to see what was events were for a lack of a better word “forerun” or “predicted” and with what accuracy when ‘correlated’ with events are reported in the MSN. Also to see who had better insight than others. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 14:47 utc | 298 To add to my above comment…. Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4 2024 14:53 utc | 299 S.P. Korolev@232 responds to Fred@225 questioning the new American Communist Party’s position on Ukraine. One leader in the new party wrote this: https://carlosgarrido.substack.com/p/multipolarity-and-america Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 4 2024 15:01 utc | 300 |
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