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August 3, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-183

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‘For Your Eyes, Abu Al-Abd’ – Resistance Roundup – Day 302
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/for-your-eyes-abu-al-abd-resistance-roundup-day-302/
Comment – Southern Front – appears IDF fighters have pulled out their armor. Northern Front – 8 strikes
Merkava tally remains at 208

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 4:20 utc | 201

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202
Isolationism and autarchy sound good to me. And fences make the best neighbors!

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 4 2024 4:20 utc | 202

Only deniable response, although China will not believe any cover story, is destruction of Saudi Aramco by Ansarullah.

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 4 2024 4:30 utc | 203

NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202 “For any leftist worth their salt in here”
You gutter level jerkoffs with left and right shit….. If you have a policy put it up but waving those trash left right flags…. yeah just a gutter level jerks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 4:32 utc | 204

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:03 utc | 197
China is a massive country with modern infrastructure in most if not all major cities and outlying towns. Massive internal market (although not nearly as big as its customers in the US IIRC) and trading partners in Russia, Africa, and South America. China can sit and wait; they’re in a perfect position to do so, compounded by the Party’s social welfare/safety net programs that can be kicked into high gear should there need to be a break or thaw in US trade relations. There is no reason for them to engage militarily in a tit-for-tat Israeli-Iranian-US military situation unless nukes are used, and even then they are likely to bide their time and watch the “free and democratic” capitalist-controlled governments and economies of the west crumble much faster than they already are.
I can do without the cheap crap that Amazon or Wal Mart peddle sourced from China. Sure there will be some inconveniences and manufacturing of components, parts and constituent chemical ingredients will need to be repatriated depending on the demand (which I argue will be low on the consumer side). But there is no reason to assume or expect that China would/should engage military-kinetically in the ME barring world-altering events or serious disruptions to Chinese-_______ trade, including fossil fuels by sea.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 4:44 utc | 205

@206 Peter
So China can just whistle past the graveyard and not act?
The Allies are going to pull the Axis into war, Peter.
Just like they pulled the Axis into war in ’39.
As Trubind notes above: countries are making their beds. Egypt will not support the Axis, for example.
Do you think China can just not act?
China helped to create this globalist hegemonic behemoth that we all rail against. If you can’t understand that, then you aren’t worth it buddy.
What are they going to do about it?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:45 utc | 206

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202
Yeah like PeterAU1 said, I’m not taking the “left-right” bait here. I will say again that China is a patient, altogether different society with a much more philosophical and wise collective social and economic fabric than what we in the west assume to be normal after decades and centuries of capitalist neo-liberal striation and fracturing.
They know that when the “enemy” (which is really the way the US views China and not the other way around) is busy killing himself a certain way, there is little to no need to intervene in that same manner and risk being dragged down the shitter himself. Sun Tzu is kinda where I’m going here. Tai Chi, jui jitsu, that kind of thing. Best to just stay out of the way and do the best they can while the bully and pre-eminent sponsor and practitioner of global terror is shooting itself in the foot and succumbing to a case of rabies without the antidote. (LOL sorry about all the mixed, admittedly cliche and excessive metaphors)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 4:49 utc | 207

China helped to create this globalist hegemonic behemoth that we all rail against. If you can’t understand that, then you aren’t worth it buddy.
What are they going to do about it?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:45 utc | 208
But you miss a key facet of the situation. Context. China didn’t “help” as in actively create the globalist behemoth. China compartmentalized their economy and allowed a capitalist-serving group to take advantage of, exploit even, western demand (as in supply and demand) for immense profit. That doesn’t mean that the Party didn’t also take steps to insulate the majority, the plebes, the peons, from the more nasty effects and consequences of such a “global” economic/political system. They have state provided healthcare, education, infrastructure, utilities, community engagment, etc. IOW, even if market conditions change, the Chinese government can still serve its people. Not so in the US minus some kind of political grenade (present interpretation, likely past-accurate) such as a NEW New Deal.
There is probably some truth to the notion that China willingly allowed the US to outsource/offshore all of our main non-industrial-scale (i.e. “consumer” level) manufacturing to them. All the stuff about the treasury securities and all that aside. but I think you fall victim to this zero sum, adversarial, winner-loser thinking about something “the Chinese” don’t view that way at all.
Chinese dynasties and empires pre-date Western colonialism, neo-liberalism and rot by nearly millennia. Unfortunately I’m not well read enough to be able to go into specifics on that, but I am an “empath” and I readily pick up on, and understand to the degree I’m capable, the difference in how other civilizations think, function, and view the future.
China is not and has not been building an offensive military apparatus in the traditional western sense and they are not a force to be “contained” in that regard. And they sure as hell aren’t building an offensive system of world domination and repackaging/rebranding it as “defense” like us gringos/yankees/zionists have patented.
TL/DR: China will be fine. Not only does no Western nation or “defensive” alliance have what it takes to subjugate them again in the next several hundred years, even the EU, US, Canada, Five Eyes, etc. couldn’t muster the means to do it. Hence the constant fear mongering to the captive populations in the Imperium and threatening military encirclement.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:00 utc | 208

PeterAu1 @ 206
Right Wing v Left Wing.
Fascists v Anti Fascists.
Banderites v De-nazification.
Knuckle draggers v peace loving Citizens.
Brain washed v the sane informed.
Racists v anti racists.
People who have been propagandised for ten years versus people who took the trouble to find the truth.
Pick your fav but it is was it is.
Your on the wrong side here regarding UK presant civil war.
4000 police on standby,
Gov ready to call in army.
Courts sitting through the night.
Antifa on streets on mass in Liverpool singing… ‘whears your tommy gone?’ To the tune of ‘wheares your moma gone by ‘boney m’
The right wing on the run.
The tumbrils are rolling, pitch fork anyone.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4 2024 5:00 utc | 209

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 3 2024 16:00 utc | 6
Here’s one.
https://ia803409.us.archive.org/6/items/books_202012/The%20Protocols%20of%20the%20Learned%20Elders%20of%20Zion%20(%20PDFDrive%20).pdf

Posted by: eman | Aug 4 2024 5:05 utc | 210

“There is probably some truth to the notion that China willingly allowed the US to outsource/offshore all of our main non-industrial-scale (i.e. “consumer” level) manufacturing to them. All the stuff about the treasury securities and all that aside. but I think you fall victim to this zero sum, adversarial, winner-loser thinking about something “the Chinese” don’t view that way at all.”
Poorly worded. There of course IS truth to the notion that China encouraged the US to do those things. The salient point, however, is that “they” didn’t do so with some nefarious end-game in mind like destroying the USA, which is exactly what “the USA” has had in mind and so acted upon re: China (and the RF).
The Chinese are not ruthless wannabe world-dominating greedy imperial assholes like the Anglos or Europeans. Sorry, they just aren’t. And if you’re not an empath, it may be very hard and take a long time to understand that. Greed is a God in the west. In China it is something to be feared, avoided and expunged. And good luck blaming our greed solely on the “Juice” because it’s a fundamental character flaw of too many people including my own family who have been in North America for over 400 years. Of course, the way we rationalize it is “Don’t hate the playa…hate the game.” Which is a cop out and plays into the requisite narrative of the owners of capital/property. We’re all just temporarily embarrassed billionaires, amirite? China doesn’t think or operate that way….AT ALL. ON ANY level of society.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:07 utc | 211

@210 Tom
I would like to think you are right. That by some Chinese miracle, they will be able to remain inactive during this run-up and then cool-down.
Regardless of how China is able to comport themselves, the west has a way to goad. Think of them as the ultimate trolls.
And Putin was only able to resist them so much before Russian blood had to be offered.
China needed the U.S. and the U.S. needed China. Mutual infection, bro. The die has been cast. The devil wants his due.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 5:11 utc | 212

It’s not China’s fault that American bean counters insisted on minimizing labor cost.

Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 4 2024 5:13 utc | 213

Middle East Eye live feed reports:
Israel’s Channel 12 News reported on Saturday that during a conversation between President Joe Biden and the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday, Biden reportedly said, “Stop bullshitting me” after Netanyahu claimed that negotiations in Israel were “progressing” and that “a delegation will depart”

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 5:13 utc | 214

Hey Jane and Patroklos, maybe you guys should get a room. Sounds like true love.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 5:14 utc | 215

Chinese dynasties and empires pre-date Western colonialism, neo-liberalism and rot by nearly millennia.
China will be fine
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:00 utc
China in itself may continue to exist – yet its history is far from one covered in glory. Indeed it’s never had any real kind of political sphere of influence over the world. They maintain a position of sitting and counting their coins and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2024 5:21 utc | 216

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 4:32 utc | 206
By dismissing the left/right political gradient out of hand you help do the work of those who have sullied it to the point of meaninglessness and inherent deception.
A description of the real thing could be belief in the equitable common ownership of natural monopolies and the means of production vs those that seek the privatisation of these keystones assets for the purpose of private capital accrual and rent extraction.
The correct and living meanings of these vital descriptive terms need to be re-established, not eliminated. Without them how do we socially communicate those critical meanings?

Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 5:29 utc | 217

Indeed it’s never had any real kind of political sphere of influence over the world. They maintain a position of sitting and counting their coins and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2024 5:21 utc | 218
Yes, my entire point. Who needs a sphere of influence (read: coercion in the US/UK/Gringo sense) over the world?
COERCION is NOT “influence” to the Chinese.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:31 utc | 218

and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2024 5:21 utc | 218
Also my whole point. Anyone who thinks that the Chinese haven’t taken the necessary steps to ensure “NEVER AGAIN” (sound familiar to the ZioJuice?) is not keeping up. There will never again be opium wars and if anything, the neoliberal/neocon Americans will be on the receiving end of market and addictive (fentanyl) forces that they turned loose on the world to begin with.
So the real question is can the American working class stand up, unite, and overthrow the capitalist parasites that rule over us or not? Idpol – from both the CORPORATE/FINANCE/CAPITALIST “right” and “left” and their media seems to be doing a great job of keeping us apart.
How refreshing to think about the boring sameness of Chinese or Russian society, isn’t it? And they both have COMMUNIST political parties ranging from polling well to COMPLETE CONTROL.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 5:34 utc | 219

@219 Greg
I emphatically agree.
Deconstruction, if there is a methodology as such, does not seek nihilistic elimination of these concepts. It wants to give them back an originary meaning, to experience them first hand.
Somewhere down the line, for instance, American leftists abandoned labor for identity politics and climate-interest. And they certainly have blinders on for looking the other way when China builds coal plants and is swimming in consumer and techno-trash. Where is the left actively trying to reach blue-collar workers in the U.S. for instance? Hint: they are not and actively deplore them. And they see no problem with importing multicultural labor to compete underhandedly with native labor.
What should a leftist in the U.S. do then? It should seek to understand how and why the U.S. lost its industry and how this has correlated to the burgeoning disparity of wealth here.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 5:44 utc | 220

Live Middle East War update, live cameras:
https://www.youtube.com/live/SePky8aU7e8

Posted by: ramAustralia | Aug 4 2024 5:56 utc | 221

It has become very tiring as a blue-collar European descended male who is married with children …
C’mon China. Put your money where your mouth is and put up. Or else shuddap forever.
China is running out of excuses.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:03 utc | 197

For the time-deprived, here’s the condensed version: We’ve all witnessed how the supposedly principled, neutral chants of “neither Washington nor Moscow” ended. Are you currently residing in China with the ability to affect the political discourse in China? If not, why the hell is your rhetoric directed against China, when China is at best/worst a distant secondary contradiction, and the primary contradiction is your own ruling class that allows for Chinese goods to be imported? Why not ask your “elected” representatives to ban Chinese goods? Why point the blame at China for exporting the goods? I mean, your elites have already banned EVs, Huawei telecommunications equipment, etc., so it ain’t hard to ban more stuff, right? Just say it’s a national security issue. This is like the US blaming China’s export of meth precursor chemicals for the meth epidemic in the US, instead of looking at the lax laws and enforcement in the US. Look, let’s be honest here. You’re a fascist. It’s okay if you want to steal the leftist/socialist branding now that the socialist bloc is on the rise. After all, the Nazis called themselves National Socialists despite their policies being fascist in nature. And the first targets of Nazis? Not the Jews, but the communists. I get why you loathe China with a passion. Your sympathy for the plight of Russia is only because you see a White-passing face staring back at you, and you can empathize with that.
My comment above also applies to commentators calling for the destruction of Turkey first before calling for the West’s collapse. China knows damn well that Turkey has a hand in the East Turkestan movement that caused severe unrest in China’s Xinjiang province. China knows Erdogan is a two-faced dealer with dreams of Greater Turkey much like Greater Israel. But right now, Turkey is not the primary contradiction, and China knows that too.
China moves in silence by not hyping up its accomplishments, but what it does reverberates across the world for many years to come. To use an American phrasing somewhat inappropriately, China talks softly and carries a big stick. China does little, short five-year plans that it publishes for everyone to read and understand what to expect from it (and China rarely deviates from them), but China also plans in the scale of centuries.
Time and time again so-called Western leftists comfortably ensconced in their Global South-supported life rail against China, but the material fact is that those who are on the frontlines and have to face death and uncertainty consistently place their trust in China.
Take the Yemenis granting free passage to Russian and Chinese ships for example. If China’s supposed material support to Israel and the US is so great, why not wreck Chinese ships too? They suffer from missile barrages from the Zionists regardless of whether they spare the Chinese or not, so there’s nothing to lose by being principled and hurting Chinese trade too. So, why the exception for China? Incidentally, many have tried to turn Chinese netizens’ sentiments against the “slipper army” by claiming that the Yemenis target Chinese vessels too until those vessels have been revealed to be registered by Western firms.
Let us now look at the case of the Palestinians. China has been constantly accused in the bar as a facilitator of their genocide due to China’s trade ties with Israel. Then, out of nowhere, 14 Palestinian organizations came out to declare that they have reached an understanding to unite against Zionists just last month in Beijing. Naturally, barflies began pooh-poohing it as an ineffectual declaration like other similar declarations before it. Fine – let’s assume that the declaration is useless. But, we need to ask: why make that declaration in Beijing of all places? Why are they not meeting in Russia or Iran, these supposedly far more principled anti-imperialist nations? Are you gonna say that every single one of the Palestinian organizations are compradors, that they have sold out to the evil China-US duopoly?
And Syria? Their president’s visit to China, as recent as 2023, was done with an Air China plane. That is how much Assad trusts Chinese planes to not have unexplained malfunctions and serendipitous encounters with AA missiles.
Saudi and Iran rapprochement? China again.
Off-topic side note: There have been big moves in China that most barflies would not be privy to thanks the language barrier. And I am grateful for that language barrier because it limits the damage that White supremacist ideas, whether liberal or conservative, can do to Chinese society. Wen Tiejun ring a bell? Rural revitalization? Nope? Good. I aim to keep it that way. But here’s a little something – a minor move that has received Western press coverage that might have missed most barflies’ attention: Hu Xijin, “the former editor-in-chief of China’s state-backed Global Times, has been banned from posting on social media after he wrote controversial comments about the world’s no. 2 economy”, as Bloomberg described it. Some of you may have seen him on Western social media and misunderstand him as a strident Chinese nationalist. The actual majority of Chinese people? They loathe him. The journalist barely concealed the fact that he served capitalist interests and is selling out China while working at Global Times, and he became truly unhinged in retirement. But he finally crossed the line by directly contradicting the constitution of the Chinese state by misleadingly claiming that full spectrum privatization has officially been endorsed in the latest 3rd Plenary Session of the 20th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, when the constitution clearly states that public ownership is a central pillar of the Chinese economy.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 4 2024 6:19 utc | 222

Won’t be winning any elections anytime soon, but still it is a start.
Declaration of the American Communist Party
The founding Plenary Committee of the American Communist Party signed the Party Declaration in Chicago, Illinois on July 21st, 2024.
Currently, hundreds of Communists are in the process of being officially incorporated.
https://xcancel.com/ACPMain/with_replies
Official Statement on war criminal Netanyahu’s speech to the U.S. congress.
We will NEVER recognize “Israel.”
Zionism is a criminal ideology contrary to both the dignity of humanity and world history.
As the American Communist Party, we do not recognize the genocidal Zionist entity as a legitimate state. We only recognize Palestine.
If we had it our way, Netanyahu would be in prison at the moment — not on the floor of Congress

Posted by: Fred | Aug 4 2024 6:23 utc | 223

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 202
Isolationism and autarchy sound good to me. And fences make the best neighbors!
Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 4 2024 4:20 utc | 204
That’s right you two. Build walls not fences. BIG walls!
It’s working great for Israel isn’t it?
You can’t see that China and Russia are going gangbusters
precisely because they are working with others rather than
trying to isolate or dominate?
You don’t remember neighborhoods without fences where you
ran through the neighbors’ yards playing hide and seek?
You’ve never been to a block party and danced in the street
with a neighbor across the way who you haven’t met before?
After all, every man(nation) is an island, no?
Gawd, what screwed up thinking you have exhibited!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 4 2024 6:50 utc | 224

Bias: I (perhaps wrongly) do not think of myself as being on the left (but there doesn’t seem to be anything much on the right either unless one counts Fico, Orban, Putin, and maybe even Xi as being on the right —and one probably shouldn’t).
Pigeonholing is for pigeons! 😀
For reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle
Greg ( Aug 4 2024 5:29 utc | 219 ) and NemesisCalling ( Aug 4 2024 5:44 utc | 222 ) I think you’re both making Peter AU1’s point for him.
When the instant result of rehabilitating the meaning of words is to open up for and repeat the word games that destroyed them in the first place then it is nothing but the futility of tilting at windmills.
Both the left and the right insist on agreeing with you on this and to be the “true ones” and both are wrong and useless and people are tired of it which is the reason for the cavalcade of the “new” but same old in the form of names to be adopted and discarded when the constant problem is the content (or lack of it) and abuse/misuse that always seems to sneak in rather quickly.
It becomes a never-ending con game of black, red, or green on the roulette wheel and where there will never be as many winners as there are losers.
(And yes this may well apply to the “rule-based” vs. multi-polar thing as well, but right now getting rid of the US-led and -enabled insanity is priority so anything like that has to wait for later).
Anyway your argument sounds a lot to me like the old (and ultimately silly no matter what one thinks of Hollywood etc.) argument on the left in Europe against people consuming US culture. (And with that I’ve probably insulted pretty much everyone here lol or would have if I’m understood :P).
Not the best of days (got some kind of stubbornly persistent summer cold for over a week) and not a perfectly written comment.
All of this is quite far off topic from Palestine though. (Mea culpa since I replied).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 4 2024 6:52 utc | 225

Fences don’t make good neighbours they just keep the psychopaths apart for a while.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 4 2024 7:02 utc | 226

collaborator Arab leadership may one day have to pay
I have sometimes wondered these past 9-10 months, where the heck is the Arab street?
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/29660
🏴‍☠️⚡️Sputnik: Jordan played an important role during the April 13 attack by intercepting Iranian drones that entered their territory heading towards Israel and allowing American and Israeli aircraft to use their airspace to intercept the Iranian drones.
The official said the United States hopes the same will happen again if necessary.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 7:12 utc | 227

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 5:14 utc | 217
Hey Jane and Patroklos, maybe you guys should get a room. Sounds like true love.
———–
Hey dude, I can picture it!
P (with weary shrug):
Concubitio nostra haec mane magis taedii fuit.
J (severely):
If you had been paying attention in school, you would know that it’s “Mane nostra haec copulatio magis taedii fuit”. And see, I used scarecrows.

Posted by: biglebowski | Aug 4 2024 7:27 utc | 228

the Middle East’s ‘only democracy’
I wonder what ever happened to the ICC arrest warrants for netanyahuand and his minster of defense?
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-israel–bombs-tents-sheltering-displaced-palestinians-insid
‘Israel’ bombs tents sheltering displaced Palestinians inside hospital
Adding to its long list of crimes in its ongoing genocide in Gaza, the Israeli occupation bombed early Sunday tents sheltering forcibly displaced Palestinian families, which were erected in the courtyards of Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in central Gaza.
The Gaza Government Media Office revealed that the preliminary toll of the heinous aggression is three martyrs and over 18 wounded, including critical cases……
…Footage from the bombing site went viral on social media, showing tents being engulfed in flames as Palestinians attempted to extinguish them and pull out the casualties. This brutal attack came less than one day after the Israeli occupation army bombed a school also sheltering forcibly displaced Palestinian families, killing and wounding tens of people……

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 8:02 utc | 229

Fred | Aug 4 2024 6:23 utc | 225
That’s some great news, but what’s their line on ‘Ukraine’? I hope they’re not another group of ‘Marxists’ who believe that a former worker’s state rescued from social death by a conservative-minded ex-KGB officer to become a semi-peripheral state where the Communist Party is the second largest in parliament, is engaged in ‘imperialism’ when fighting off the NATO-backed epigones of Reinhardt Gehlen!
Sorry for the OT, but that kind of nonsense really ticks me off, especially when it comes from parties like the French PCF and Greek KKE that have such proud histories of struggle against fascism and imperialism. Let’s hope the new ACP can reconnect to that history that so many in the Western Left have forgotten.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 4 2024 8:23 utc | 230

Posted by: biglebowski | Aug 4 2024 7:27 utc | 230
magis rideo! 😂

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2024 8:29 utc | 231

US not wanting large war in the middle east Until it can secure Venezuelan oil… ifI’m right on that, then its a good time for the axis of resistance to strike. The Iran Russia partnership, and what Putin said about arming/assisting others fighting the US. There appears to be a heavy airlift going on Russia to Iran. Russian EW systems already set up, photographed in Iran….
If a longer running conflict occurs, the price of oil is likely to skyrocket. China as the largest importer would be hardest hit …. unless China has taken measures to avoid or mitigate oil shortage/high prices which it may well have done.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 8:30 utc | 232

Do some research before making such ignorant statements
Posted by: Roger | Aug 3 2024 21:19 utc | 107
You’re one to talk, stating the murderer was a Christian off the fact that his parents were born in a “mostly Christian country” and zero further proof. Spare us any further disinformation, please.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 8:32 utc | 233

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 8:02 utc | 231
The international colonizers court was never going to put those out. They just got nervous that the global south would toss that bullshit treaty into the trash were it belongs. So they pretended that they would and hoped nobody would notice when they did not. Just look how fast they charged Putin without any actual evidence of a crime vs this where the IDF fucking livestreams feeding a downs syndrome child to dogs while he is still breathing. If anything the ICJ should charge them with enabling genocide.

Posted by: badjoke | Aug 4 2024 8:32 utc | 234

China in itself may continue to exist – yet its history is far from one covered in glory. Indeed it’s never had any real kind of political sphere of influence over the world. They maintain a position of sitting and counting their coins and have at several points in their history been enslaved by more alert enemies.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 4 2024 5:21 utc | 218
To be fair, there is no civilization in existence whose history is covered in glory (depending how you define “glory”).
It’s political and cultural influence has been massive in Asia for centuries, and it has been real. One need only remove China from the geopolitical map and see how the architecture of modern geopolitical system collapses and reorganises to understand the extent of this.

I’m sure here “laguerre” can weigh in at length about Chinese history in this regard …

As for being enslaved by more alert enemies, this has been the fate of almost every civilization from the early Britons to Ottomans.
Counting their coins seems to have worked in their favour across the expanses of millenia.
Perhaps the metric for civilizational achievement should simply be durability through cyclical eras of change?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 4 2024 8:41 utc | 235

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 4 2024 8:23 utc | 232
They back the Russian Federation completely as well as the rest of the axis of resistance. I think they have a few Bukharin’s in their midst that could be problems but as far as foreign policy they are solid.

Posted by: badjoke | Aug 4 2024 8:44 utc | 236

Re the American communist party. Jackson Hinkle is part of that.
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle
Will be interesting to see if the movement takes off or remains somewhat small. If the rest of the leadership is anything like Hinkle, it may well grow into something that makes a difference.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 8:58 utc | 237

By dismissing the left/right political gradient out of hand you help do the work of those who have sullied it to the point of meaninglessness and inherent deception.
A description of the real thing could be belief in the equitable common ownership of natural monopolies and the means of production vs those that seek the privatisation of these keystones assets for the purpose of private capital accrual and rent extraction.
The correct and living meanings of these vital descriptive terms need to be re-established, not eliminated. Without them how do we socially communicate those critical meanings?
Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 5:29 utc | 219
No. The problem is that the “Left vs Right” question is silly, as the terms are so vague they can’t even be practically used. “A description of the real thing could be”… Yes. Could be.
Note how you defend the usage of the terms without even once mentioning a class standpoint. You claim we need to re-establish the terms without describing them. I could say, “to be a leftist is to support the working class, and to be a rightist is to support the parasites.” That’d be nice if I was able to do that.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 9:06 utc | 238

they sure do
https://x.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1819756359446913214
Rania Khalek @RaniaKhalek
Israel has bombed Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen & Iran.
The US supports Israel massacring, starving, raping & exterminating us to protect empire’s ability to steal resources.
These countries have a right to defend themselves against these heinous crimes.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/29666
🇺🇸 🇮🇷 CENTCOM terror organization commander Kurilla arrived in Bahrain to lead US forces for possible confrontation with Iran

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 9:20 utc | 239

Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
🚨🇷🇺🇮🇷 President Putin to Joe Biden:
“We will arm your enemies just like you arm the enemies of Russia.”
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1819868558983409792
Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
🚨🇮🇷🇷🇺 BREAKING: There is a “nonstop flow” of Russian military transport planes landing in Iran.
Here we go…
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1819864755592679841

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:23 utc | 240

Current Report
@Currentreport1
BREAKING:
Iran has publicly announced for the first time that it has nuclear weapons.
Iranian Politician Ahmed Ardestani:
“We have obtained nuclear weapons, but we do not announce it.”
https://x.com/Currentreport1/status/1819777476224008338

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:24 utc | 241

Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
⚡️JUST IN
Reportedly, Iran has deployed Russia’s most powerful jamming communication system, Murmansk-BN, at strategically important locations
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1819837660623495470

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:25 utc | 242

@Arch Bungle | Aug 4 2024 7:02 utc | 228

Fences don’t make good neighbours they just keep the psychopaths apart for a while.

I used to live in the house of a psychopath that was in constant fight with his neighbour. He once re-painted his side of the fence in a contrast colour and demonstrably let it spill over to the other side.
Btw., the other side was his mother.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 9:26 utc | 243

Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
⚡️BREAKING
Second phone call from Egypt and Jordan to Iran in the last 48 hours
The hesitation to defend Israel this time is extremely high among several countries
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1819984007339339844
Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
⚡️JUST IN
Jordanian foreign minister visits Iran today
This is a very unusual development, especially since Jordan has defended Israel in previous Iranian retaliatory strikes
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1820005930932506940

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:28 utc | 244

Seyed Mohammad Marandi
@s_m_marandi
The Islamic Republic of Iran will severely hammer the Zionist regime. It will make sure that Netanyahu’s thugs understand that the price for aggression is far too high.
If the bloodthirsty and rapist regime strikes back after Iran’s retaliation, Iran will batter the regime again.
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1819795067164336258

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:28 utc | 245

“The Islamic Republic of Iran will severely hammer the Zionist regime….”
re Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:28 utc | 247
I hope so, I certainly do
but how that is going to help Gaza and stop the genocide going on there, I am not so sure

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 9:42 utc | 246

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-london-protest-gaza-ceasefire-tensions-escalate-middle-east
Hopefully at some point these protests will persuade the EU to stop supporting Israel.

Posted by: Joe | Aug 4 2024 9:44 utc | 247

Menz
Sure starting to look like something big is brewing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 9:48 utc | 248

@Joe | Aug 4 2024 9:44 utc | 250

Hopefully at some point these protests will persuade the EU to stop supporting Israel.

The EU is a colonialist tool in Europe much like Israel is in the ME.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 9:50 utc | 249

Sure starting to look like something big is brewing.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 9:48 utc | 251
It does Peter.
Megatron
@Megatron_ron
BREAKING:
🇷🇺🇮🇷 Mass transport of weapons from Russia to Iran
Non-stop flights of IL-96 cargo planes from Russia to Iran, presumably carrying heavy military hardware
(Check it out):
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1819865449217089577

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:55 utc | 250

Pelham
@Resist_05
BREAKING🚨 Israel just bombed tents full of displaced Palestinians sleeping outside the al-Aqsa hospital in Gaza…🇵🇸💔
*Video can not be attached as X platform algorithm is censoring the footage
https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1819909916234223893

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:57 utc | 251

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:02 utc | 137 “Isn’t the point more about the petrodollar relationship rather than US dependence on Gulf oil for its energy? Once OPEC nations no longer have to park their money in US T-bonds the empire goes into free fall.”
If you Google who owns US Treasury debt, Middle Eastern countries don’t hold much US government debt. https://www.meed.com/washington-reveals-saudi-holdings-of-us-debt/#:~:text=The%20US%20started%20releasing%20data,shock%20following%20the%20Arab%20embargo.
The oil thing isn’t as big as it once was.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:04 utc | 252

Peter,
Putin has moved very quickly to support Iran, Ismael Haniyeh was only killed 5 days ago
If one believed the MSM, Russia was running short of amo.

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:04 utc | 253

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:55 utc | 253
Under the link you shared by Megatron, Megatron and other posters point out that not all those flights are going to Iran. Some are overflying Iran to go elsewhere. For example: UPDATE: This one passed Tehran and landed in Dubai. Yesterday, the same one landed in Tehran.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:11 utc | 254

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:11 utc | 257
Thans for the correction Ed4

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:12 utc | 255

Thanks

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:13 utc | 256

*Video can not be attached as X platform algorithm is censoring the footage
re Menz | Aug 4 2024 9:57 utc | 254
two videos can be seen here
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1819883610377204218

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 10:16 utc | 257

HasbaRat sock puppets here trying to divert attention from the inevitable demise of the illegal apartheid entity in the Levant and the daily mass murder by terror air bombs and missiles – a dozen Guernicas every day for months!
This will never be forgotten , posterity will show it as the final point of fascist zionazi terror based control of the Collective Waste before it flushed itself down the shitter.
After centuries of trying and global robbery.
Along with their shapeshifted fellows pretending to be Egyptian, Jordanian and sand pounding slave merchants, made rich by claiming the oil , Sykes-Picot bastard fake Arabs.
From the River to the Sea – a tear and a prayer for the long suffering Semitic Palestinians.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:19 utc | 258

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 10:16 utc | 260
Thanks Michael.

Posted by: Menz | Aug 4 2024 10:23 utc | 259

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:19 utc | 261 “inevitable demise”
When? Next year? Before the end of this decade?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:23 utc | 260

I am hearing Hezbollah and Iran have been cleaning house with lots of arrest made.
A secret trip to Iran has been made by a US official. Jordan has also sent a representative to Tehran.
I hope the Iranians make those worms squirm and send them on their way.
Wishing everyone a “Happy Armageddon”.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 10:27 utc | 261

/stares off into space and whispers
0.0
Megiddo. What if they didn’t read their bible and miss Megiddo to start the war? If Armageddon doesn’t start there, is it truly Armageddon?
/looks skyward
And the red heifers? What ever happened to them and their sacred ashes?
O.O
Are you there G_d? It’s me titmouse. Will there be panic buying for sunshine and love? 🙁
/cheep?
^.^ Ooh, a dropped popcorn!
/hops over and eats popcorn

Posted by: titmouse | Aug 4 2024 10:28 utc | 262

An American MQ-9 drone was shot down by Ansarullah in Yemen.

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/29674

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 10:38 utc | 263

It ain’t just me saying so.
The great Craig Murray
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/08/freedom-of-speech-and-the-fascist-wave

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:46 utc | 264

@ Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:23 utc | 263
It’ll never make it century, except as a tiny city state perhaps, tucked into its own private Vatican in Jerusalem if allowed.
From the River to the Sea

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:50 utc | 265

— 🇮🇱/🇵🇸 NEW: Hamas announces postponing the talks on the hostage deal until a replacement for Ismail Haniyeh is appointed

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/8153

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2024 10:55 utc | 266

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 10:27 utc | 264
I’ve seen the stories about “Iran have been cleaning house with lots of arrest made”
But how much of that is actual ‘someone sold out Iran’ versus if you go back and look at months worth of security video, it uncovers a lot of basically, petty issues that people then get tagged with?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:56 utc | 267

The reason Iran’s posture has dramatically changed from “Strategic Patience” to now being willing to risk war with both Israel & the US is…RUSSIA
It was last year Putin announced that henceforth Russia would be assisting friendly nations who are being threatened by the [U.S.] hegemon (N. Korea, Iran) with weapons & military technology
Since then, Russia has undoubtedly done all it can to provide Iran with assistance in strengthening their air defense grid & improving the effectiveness of missile attacks on heavily defended targets & providing satellite data in real time (as well as Russia’s equivalent of GPS)
Why did Putin do this? Because the United States made it clear, through the Ukraine War, that it is an existential threat to Russia with its CIA & brainless political class
Last year was when Putin described Russia’s new determination to “oppose” the imperial machinations of the US everywhere around the globe, which was then described as “lateral escalation”
Thanks to the insane & diabolical efforts of the CIA, Russia has now embraced the role of implacable foe of the elites of the United States. Russia has just recently said it will help Iran to defend itself from an attack by the United States
At the same time, Russia’s attitude toward Israel has gone ice cold; I dare say Moscow now views Israel as just as much an existential threat to Russia as the United States is. The Genocide has revealed so much
I think the Russia Card has-more than anything else-encouraged Iran to now boldly defend itself with the advanced capacities it has developed. They now have the “eyes” of Russian satellites & an overall picture of the battlefield they once lacked
Neither Iran nor Russia wants to fight an all-out war with the US, but they’re not afraid of it. They have plenty of reason to think the US just might back down at a certain point (Biden telling Bibi to not strike back)
Finally, I think there are zero reasons to doubt that Moscow is well aware of Israel’s nukes & likely has a plan to “take them out” if it looks like Israel may be losing badly enough to implement their Sampson Option
If Russia knows where they are (something the US & Russia have always made a high priority of their intel operations) they have the means (hypersonic missiles & nuclear-tipped torpedoes for Israel’s subs) to take them out
Why & when would they do so? Only when/if it looks like Israel-even with America’s help-will not be able to stop Iran from destroying their military bases on the ground
If things have developed to that point, where all-out war is destroying Israel’s Air Force, I don’t think Russia would hesitate to preemptively take out Israel’s nukes
If they miss a couple & the IDF delivers them to targets, it will be a horrific tragedy, but at least the preemptive strike will have greatly diminished the Final Evil that Zionist Israel plans for those who are Not Chosen…

https://x.com/JamesKroeger5/status/1780005894236828002
The dude has 12 followers writing posts that gets hundreds of replies. I tried responding myself and X insta-blocked it. “Something went wrong.”

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 11:12 utc | 268

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/26260
There is no negotiating with evil like this. “Israel” must be dismantled. Anyone supporting them is the enemy.

Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 4 2024 11:17 utc | 269

Houtis shoot down 9 million dollar Reaper
https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1820054129651200420/photo/1

Posted by: ld | Aug 4 2024 11:20 utc | 270

B.,
They are finally sending us their best Hasbara wreckers. Ed4 is certainly talented at subtlety promoting the Genociders’ talking points.
That’s a sign B. that your Bar is getting attention and influence
Well done !

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 11:21 utc | 271

“The oil thing isn’t as big as it once was.”
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 10:04 utc | 255
That comment is so wrong it is laughable.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 4 2024 11:22 utc | 272

It ain’t just me saying so.
The great Craig Murray
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/08/freedom-of-speech-and-the-fascist-wave
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 10:46 utc | 267
From said article.
“In On Liberty, the great John Stuart Mill argued that to state that corn merchants are thieves and profiteers who starve the poor was perfectly valid. But to shout the same thing to a howling mob outside a corn merchant’s house was not valid freedom of speech.”
Dear Lord, another piss liberal.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 11:24 utc | 273

From Palestine Chronicle live feed:,
Sunday, August 4, 10:00 am (GMT+2)
BEN-GVIR: From the site of the operation in Holon, National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called on Israelis to take up arms, noting that the government had distributed thousands of weapons to citizens.
YEDIOTH AHRONOTH: at least 10,000 Israeli soldiers were killed or wounded during the war in the Gaza Strip.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 11:27 utc | 274

“Israel” must be dismantled.
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 4 2024 11:17 utc | 272
Prior to the Gazaq genocide, I had pondered the question of how many generations does it take to become “Indigenous”. I thought perhaps the third generation, but basically the generation that knows no other country as home.
In that context, I thought a two state solution was best.
But now…. The apartheid religious experiment has lost its right to exist.
And going by what is brewing, they will cease to exist before all this change of era’s is done.
Without big brother/sugar daddy, they will be driven into the sea. Too much anger in the Muslim world now for that not to happen.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 11:30 utc | 275

Hello everyone. Stay relaxed. Nobody is attacking Israel, just like nobody is attacking North Korea.
What comes from the Iranians and Arabs and Turks and others is just hot air. They have good reasons to be afraid.
The Mossad is everywhere, they will eliminate every political and military decision-maker who dares to take serious steps against Israel.
My humble opinion.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 4 2024 11:47 utc | 276

Ah the friendly chitter chatter of Hasba Rats !
All your base is OUR.
Fools …Run and join Exodus the movement of ze people
.. mein fuehrer ,sieg… you ain’t chosen for nuffink Losers.
I see your comical Zionazis whistling as you scuttle off.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 4 2024 12:07 utc | 277

Tommy Robinson (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) and the English Defence League (English & Jewish Defence League) are supposedly Israeli state assets in UK, with the purpose of violently countering pro-Palestine rallies in Britain, according to this analyst.

What’s causing the Islamophobic riots across the UK, and why now?
1. The riots have been instigated by the Zionist asset Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (‘Tommy Robinson’), who has been working for the State of Israel since 2009 as part of the so-called ‘counterjihad’ Islamophobia movement established by that state. When his organisation, the English Defence League, was incorporated in 2011, two years after its inception, it was named the English & Jewish Defence League. The Jewish Defence League, a Zionist terrorist organisation, has been a key part of violent Islamophobic street thuggery in the UK over the past decade.
2. Yaxley-Lennon is one of the most high-profile actors in the State of Israel’s Online Influencers Programme in response to Operation Al-Aqsa Storm. He and others, like Oli London, Noa Tishby, Hen Mazzig, Arsen Ostrovsky and Emily Schrader (and many others) are paid to distribute Zionist propaganda, of which pushing back against pro-Palestine protests and sowing Islamophobia are two important and interlinked aims.
3. The recent Islamophobic riots in the UK should be seen as the latest phase of the State of Israel’s war on British Muslims, who it sees as originating the protest movement in the UK. These riots are designed to punish Muslims for their anti-Zionist sentiment after various other methods to suppress opposition to Zionism by the State of Israel have been thwarted. The State of Israel’s attempts to use its assets and operatives in the British political and media class — such as Suella Braverman and Michael Gove — to thwart pro-Palestinian protests have failed. Zionist counter-protests have failed to mobilise significant numbers. Sporadic Zionist thuggery and the use of other assets — such as Iranian secularist extremists — have also failed to intimidate Muslims. So now the State of Israel is weaponising its cannon fodder on the white nationalist far-right, who have greater numbers than either Zionist street thugs or Iranian monarchists and secularist extremists.
4. Finally, there are also questions about which actor authored the idea that Muslims were responsible for the ostensible triggers for these events. MI6 and its assets (eg Paul Mason) are desperately trying to pretend this was a Russian disinfo op. But the original stories did not come from Russia. Where did they come from?
https://x.com/Tracking_Power/status/1819696060941627553

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 4 2024 12:20 utc | 278

Re the American communist party. Jackson Hinkle is part of that.
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle
Will be interesting to see if the movement takes off or remains somewhat small. If the rest of the leadership is anything like Hinkle, it may well grow into something that makes a difference.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 8:58 utc | 239
______
Sounds promising at least. By way of contrast I went to the site of the CPUSA (from which ACP is breaking away) and read the CPUSA statement on the 2024 elections. It reads as an endorsement (presumably out of desperation) of the Democratic Party. Which, based on my encounters with CPUSA members, wouldn’t at all be surprising.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 4 2024 12:32 utc | 279

Posted by: Joe | Aug 4 2024 9:44 utc | 250
There are only two ways the collective waste will stop sending weapons to fascists to commit crimes against humanity. One is a resounding defeat of the western powers navies. Like the 5th and 6th fleets being sunk and US bases in the ME destroyed. The only other way is if we rise up and overthrow the fascist oligarchy that rules the collective waste and execute both the oligarchs and the compradors that enable them.
A good beating of the 5th fleet and destruction of the zionist entities airpower by Hezbollah missiles would get them to give up on this project however.

Posted by: badjoke | Aug 4 2024 12:36 utc | 280

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 4 2024 6:52 utc | 227
I gave a usefully accurate definition of the essential principle of the genuine left/right spectrum.
You then wrote a melange of periphery to that central thesis without any direct reference upon why it might be wrong or over-complicated.
It is you that is proving the fact, and demonstrating the methodology, of that essential principle’s unnecessary obscuration, not I.
Instead of frolicking in the conceptual weeds try explaining how the definition I provided is either incorrect, incomplete, unduly complex or irrelevant to the crux of the problems we are seeing unfold at all societal levels.

Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 12:48 utc | 281

Middle Nation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzofr-_aco
Interesting examination of current ME events.
Highlights:
Suggests that:
1) CIG behind BRICS “resettlement” of ME (East Asia), as new hub of commerce, the new EU, as geography and trade will make ME center of future investment. That EU is finished and will relegated to 2nd/3rd world status.
2) “Zionism” must end, as it is “unprofitable”.
3) Wagner or Wagner affiliated group ram, is running Hamas resistance in Gaza, doubts and he Hamas he’s known for 20 years had training/capability for initial Oct 7 military operation, let alone 10 months of precision targeting & assassinations.
4) Saudi Arabia is ME kingpin in arranging finalization of new ME.
5) PLO under Saudi control will have Palestinian State.
6) Fulfilling both Saudi 2030 Vision & former 2002(?) Arab Initiative.
7) Removal/disintegration of all resistance groups, as desired stabilizing ME is needed for “business”.
8) Trump, Jared Kushner et el on board with CIG ME remaking.
9) Will begin (possibly) as forced 2-State solution, but see eventually becomes 1 State.
10) Sees West out completely, politically & military. But of course, the likes of Black Rock, Vanguard et el will be there.
11) That ME will fall under BRICS financial system as West collapses & no one trust the West ect (Hence Saudi warning regarding theft of Russian assets)
He touches upon Iran, Lebanon & Syria, under this “normalization” sort of ME collaboration under BRICS .
I don’t agree with his assessment of Iran’s position and even though the monied interest may fall into Saudi realm, I see China & Russia desiring a power balance, I don’t see them having a desire for a singular power (Saudi) .
In any case, he sees all of this as CIG move. Planned and orchestrated.
Interesting listen.
Still stewing on concept, and agree timing of “Freeing Palestine” finally is interesting.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 4 2024 13:01 utc | 282

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 9:06 utc | 240
The definition I gave is the most essential principle of the left/right calibration.
All else is derivative of that core matter including the term ‘worker’. ‘Citizen’ or somesuch would suffice in the absence of private capital ownership, capital accumulation and rent-seeking. ‘Worker’ and ‘class’ both become redundant concepts without the malignancy of economic predation that creates their meaning.
I say ‘could be’ as the same basic meaning could be worded differently. I don’t claim it to be ‘the authorised definition’. You’re misinterpreting that disclaimer.
The point of making that simple essential definition was to debunk the odiously prevailing notion that left/right is:
a) the confection it has been perverted into within common narratives
b) a useless, confusing and misleading redundancy.

Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 13:12 utc | 283

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 3 2024 20:24 utc | 87
They left out the plastic sheeting & duck tape

Posted by: Mary | Aug 4 2024 13:19 utc | 284

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2024 11:21 utc | 274 “That’s a sign B. that your Bar is getting attention and influence”
Nah, been here for a while.
Out of curiosity I fed about 3,000 pages of this blog into a version of ChatGPT. The idea was to see what was events were for a lack of a better word “forerun” or “predicted” and with what accuracy when ‘correlated’ with events are reported in the MSN. Also to see who had better insight than others.
Seeing your post #274, and understanding that someone else could have posted under “Exile” I asked it some questions. Your first post in the sample is from March 31, 2022 #104. It looks like you have about 1,200 posts in the sample which has about 280,000 comments in it.
For example, isolating your views on Ukraine I can ask it to summarize them.
“Exile’s views provide a critical and somewhat pessimistic analysis of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, NATO’s strategies, and the broader geopolitical and economic implications”.
Getting slightly more specific: “The continuation of the war is linked to the ability of Washington to sell cheap debt to fund it. Exile sees economic factors as critical in determining the war’s duration​​”.
How reasonable is that logic: “Exile’s comparison to past conflicts, like the Yugoslav wars, and the role of economic strategies in those contexts provides a historical basis for the argument. Prolonged conflicts often involve intricate economic calculations and strategic funding efforts.”
etc.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 13:23 utc | 285

Then why have they sent a ginormous aircraft carrier into the region ?
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:40 utc | 147
Possibly they’re stupid enough to think it will intimidate Iran into backing down.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 4 2024 13:36 utc | 286

Greg | Aug 4 2024 13:12 utc | 286
The importance of trash. Left and right is only applicable within the anglo empire. Perfidious Albion’s good old divide and rule.
Early days it was most likely different, the working man vs the men of capital – but that is long gone. Perverted, turned, corrupted.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 13:39 utc | 287

Nah, been here for a while.
Out of curiosity I fed about 3,000 pages of this blog into a version of ChatGPT. The idea was to see what was events were for a lack of a better word “forerun” or “predicted” and with what accuracy when ‘correlated’ with events are reported in the MSN. Also to see who had better insight than others.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 13:23 utc | 288
Unlikely, too many tokens unless used as training data.
Care to explain? As an added bonus you can give the analysis on me.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 13:54 utc | 288

@Arch Bungle | Sun, 04 Aug 2024 08:41:00 GMT | 237

Perhaps the metric for civilizational achievement should simply be durability through cyclical eras of change?

It is one metric, and surely an interesting one. However, we cannot, categorically, dismiss ethical considerations – metrics, if you will – in view of political entities. Even if we may not agree, and act respectfully on our disagreement, we’re still forced to judge. This includes the hypothetical case where we have no morals at all, as such a stance is but another special case of ethics against our natural ability to reason (Vernunft).

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 4 2024 13:57 utc | 289

If a longer running conflict occurs, the price of oil is likely to skyrocket. China as the largest importer would be hardest hit …. unless China has taken measures to avoid or mitigate oil shortage/high prices which it may well have done.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 8:30 utc | 234
I could be mistaken, but iirc they have very long term contracts with Russia for oil. And Russia, ad we know, makes good on contracts.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 4 2024 13:58 utc | 290

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 13:54 utc | 291
There are posts under __newbie__, _newbie_, newbie and Newbie.
Just looking at “Newbie”‘s 600ish posts also on Ukraine:
Newbie discusses the allocation of resources, including human resources in the form of soldiers and the financial aspects of sustaining a prolonged conflict.
Casualty Numbers and Military Strategies. The analysis includes detailed estimates of Ukrainian casualties based on various reports and surveys, suggesting a significant toll on the Ukrainian population and questioning the sustainability of their military efforts.
Compare Exile and Newbie’s differences:
Focus on NATO: Exile is more focused on criticizing NATO’s strategic operations and goals, while Newbie provides a broader analysis of resource allocation and military efforts.
Geopolitical Emphasis: Exile places significant emphasis on the geopolitical struggle involving NATO and Russia, while Newbie focuses more on the economic impacts and resource challenges faced by Ukraine.
Details and Data: Newbie provides more detailed estimates of casualties and a nuanced view of the impact on Ukraine’s military efforts, whereas Exile’s analysis is more centered on NATO’s strategic failures and geopolitical dynamics.
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I understand the token issue. I have had no problem yet. I have my own set of vector databases that I can shuttle in and out, which I hope will take care of that issue as I have a couple of different projects underway.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 14:17 utc | 291

The right wing knuckle heads we see rioting on the streets in the UK now, are the same as could be seen in Ukraine for the years before Russias SMO.
Not interested in politics, a love of violence football ectra. always picking a fight with those they think are weaker.
In ukraine they were cynicaly harnessed by the west to fight Russia funded and armed.
This same group/type in UK are freashly minted off the nazi production line…..
Ulta national, hating Arabs and refugees,
Hating Russia couse the red top paper and tele told them too.
This is extremily relevent to this thread.
These are the grunts who now will willingly jump in a trench and die like sheep to the sloughter. In Ukraine and ME.
But we have a Left wing govenment with a right wing leader.
A fissue so which side of the party will gain ?
America will be looking for support from the UK for back up right now in the ME.
Will they get it ? Whats going on between US and UK. Is America fighting alone.
Is that what Russia ect see’s ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4 2024 14:29 utc | 292

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 5:14 utc | 217
Hey Jane and Patroklos, maybe you guys should get a room.
———–
Hey dude, I can picture it!
Posted by: biglebowski | Aug 4 2024 7:27 utc | 230
===============
You three old rust buckets need a tune-up.
This is the 2020s, not the 1950s.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 14:33 utc | 293

I understand the token issue. I have had no problem yet. I have my own set of vector databases that I can shuttle in and out, which I hope will take care of that issue as I have a couple of different projects underway.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 14:17 utc | 294
Myscale?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 4 2024 14:36 utc | 294

The definition I gave is the most essential principle of the left/right calibration.
Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 13:12 utc | 286

That’s a joke. You did nothing of the sort. Let’s have at it again.
The correct and living meanings of these vital descriptive terms need to be re-established, not eliminated. Without them how do we socially communicate those critical meanings?
Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 5:29 utc | 219not nitpicking.

A description of the real thing could be belief in the equitable common ownership of natural monopolies and the means of production vs those that seek the privatisation of these keystones assets for the purpose of private capital accrual and rent extraction.

What is “common ownership?” If in a highly developed society, 40% of the people do all the work and 60% profiteer off it (I am assuming you are aware of Marx’ views on the lumpenproletariat, for example,) how does that work out? Lenin: “He who does not work shall not eat.”
I refuse to use terms not properly defined. “Upper,” “middle” and “lower” class, for example, means nothing.
Go down this hole long enough and you might actually end up with some worthwhile attempt at class analysis.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 14:36 utc | 295

Nah, been here for a while.
Out of curiosity I fed about 3,000 pages of this blog into a version of ChatGPT. The idea was to see what was events were for a lack of a better word “forerun” or “predicted” and with what accuracy when ‘correlated’ with events are reported in the MSN. Also to see who had better insight than others.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 13:23 utc | 288
A number of articles when ISIS was the media fad and fashion. US, UK, Australia and no doubt all anglo militarizes setting up social media units to “fight ISIS on line/social media”.
Much projection of Russian troll factories also where a big part in our propaganda media.
Your diligence is to be commended. An honest days work for an honest days pay sort of thing.
Scum like you are quite likely to try and jump ship when your mighty Titanic goes down. With luck, many of the rats will be fended off and go down with their empirical ship.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 14:40 utc | 296

The definition I gave is the most essential principle of the left/right calibration. Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 13:12 utc | 286

That’s a joke. You did nothing of the sort. Let’s have at it again.

The correct and living meanings of these vital descriptive terms need to be re-established, not eliminated. Without them how do we socially communicate those critical meanings? Posted by: Greg | Aug 4 2024 5:29 utc | 219

How are these terms “vital?” If they are “descriptive,” then describe them. In which way are these meanings “critical?”
This is not nitpicking.

A description of the real thing could be belief in the equitable common ownership of natural monopolies and the means of production vs those that seek the privatisation of these keystones assets for the purpose of private capital accrual and rent extraction.

What is “common ownership?” If in a highly developed society, 40% of the people do all the work and 60% profiteer off it (I am assuming you are aware of Marx’ views on the lumpenproletariat, for example,) how does that work out? Lenin: “He who does not work shall not eat.”
I refuse to use terms not properly defined. “Upper,” “middle” and “lower” class, for example, means nothing. Go down this hole long enough and you might actually end up with some worthwhile attempt at class analysis.
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I fixed the formatting.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 14:41 utc | 297

Out of curiosity I fed about 3,000 pages of this blog into a version of ChatGPT. The idea was to see what was events were for a lack of a better word “forerun” or “predicted” and with what accuracy when ‘correlated’ with events are reported in the MSN. Also to see who had better insight than others.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 4 2024 13:23 utc | 288
So you used a hasbara-infiltrated bot to analyze politics. Neat. I use it for G-Code debugging and finding the sources of quotes. But hey, whatever works for you.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 4 2024 14:47 utc | 298

To add to my above comment….
I think the ME conflict genicide of palastinians should be settled on the streets of England and North America where it originated from.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 4 2024 14:53 utc | 299

S.P. Korolev@232 responds to Fred@225 questioning the new American Communist Party’s position on Ukraine. One leader in the new party wrote this: https://carlosgarrido.substack.com/p/multipolarity-and-america
Garrido’s defense of attacks on Hinkle are on X I believe, separately available here (I hope) https://discordapp.com/channels/753675195662860481/1215798924456231033/1268742491893665792

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 4 2024 15:01 utc | 300