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August 3, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-183
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Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 3 2024 19:08 utc | 59
I marvel at how Iran keeps mastering a sense of strategic pause and skill.
Item at The Cradle: Israel isn’t crazy, it’s just MAD.
With a very political-sciencey chart showing how Israel’s cunning MAD strategy works.
Sounds to me more like Israel simply does not have the strategic juice to play the game without embarrassing itself, so it turns over the game board.
Zionists have had over a hundred years to perfect their game. But from their origins, Betar in Latvia in 1920s, zionists have known only violence.
So Israel is not genocidal because they’re “angry,” nor MAD strategy: Israeli zionists are violent because it’s all they know.
Many people (probably Jewish/US NeoCon) would write them off as crazy ignorant fanatics and leave it at that, ignoring their
Re: “[Iranian] engineering graduates and licensed manufacture of battlefield drones I imagine that this must frustrate Israel and the US no end.
Pre-1979, Iranians were the largest group of foreign students in the US’s finest engineering schools, at graduate levels — MIT, UPenn, Carnegie Mellon etc. Many returned to Iran when Shah’s financial support dried up. They became the professors who taught the men & women who are now the professors. (This is not to say that Iranians needed ‘western’ leg up to achieve what they have achieved. They are wicked smart.
Posted by: EreJane | Aug 3 2024 21:06 utc | 101
Israel murders every Palestinian leader who comes close to a ceasefire – or has hopeful plans for a two-state solution – and by doing so, Israel keep the Palestinians under Israeli jackboots.
https://zeteo.com/p/israel-history-killing-hamas-ismail-haniyeh
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/03/patrick-lawrence-the-murder-of-ismail-haniyeh/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 3 2024 21:09 utc | 102
Probably the biggest blow to the Zionists and Co at the moment will be the fall of the current Jordanian regime.
Yemen under attack from both the US and UK will probably distract those forces with the lower quality munitions.
Russian systems deployed shown on most of the blogosphere appears to EW variants.
Chances are Russian missile technology has been shared with Iran, China and North Korea.
I have no idea what the Axis is planning, but I hope this time it’s painful for the occupiers and not merely symbolic, which is what the Zionists have factored in.
The Samson Option has been shut down by the “Sun of Juche” declaration posted in the last thread by one of the bar regulars.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 3 2024 21:15 utc | 103
I had been working nearly 15 hours a day, on some computer project, which had to work, or we would all lose our jobs..
I was 45, but my hair change white almost overnight…I looked 75, holding my daughters hand (7) in Lanzarote which is pretty grotty – most of the beaches are black sand – so of course we went up to the smoky volcano..which stunk..
Dad where are we going now..the beaches to the south of Lanzarote are really nice…lovely white sand..
So we queued up to get on The Yellow Submarine… Ringo the Beatles drummer’s song… She said dad, where are we going next..”I like it underwater can I have a snorkel to go with my mask
– like my older brother we can swim really well
“The Beatles – Yellow Submarine”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uTFF_3MaA
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 3 2024 21:15 utc | 104
Posted by: Exile | Aug 3 2024 20:12 utc | 83
Maybe Kamala = Malenkov.
The US still might have around a few more decades, and Biden’s pretty much dead.
Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 3 2024 21:16 utc | 105
If Biden = Andropov
Then
Kamala certainly is our Chernenko
Posted by: Exile | Aug 3 2024 20:12 utc | 83
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More like a Nikolai II in her combination of entitlement and ineptitude, or maybe a postpubescent Romulus Augustulus.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2024 21:18 utc | 106
@Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 3 2024 19:43 utc | 76
“I really doubt Autism would have anything to do with his slashing spree.”
Do some research before making such ignorant statements, a minority of autistic individuals can be triggered into very violent behaviour including killing others. Also this was not a “slashing spree” it was a single event in one specific space.
Calgary man with autism testifies he killed his father for calling him ‘useless’
Toronto van attack: Minassian guilty of killing 10 people “his lawyers argued he was not criminally responsible due to his autism spectrum disorder”.
Autistic man, 22, jailed for killing fisherman in ’20-second burst of violence’ “A 22-year-old autistic man has been given a 20-year extended prison sentence for stabbing to death a fisherman in a “terrifying 20-second burst of violence” outside a Royal British Legion club.”
The boy was living in Banks, which is four miles from Southport where the killings happened. It is reported from people who knew him that he was very introverted and had difficulty in making friends after the family moved from Wales. Lonely young man with difficulty fitting in, and mental issues, could be a police profile for a school shooter, stabber etc.
Tony opmoc 95
My dad helped to make the EMI bodyscanner in Hayes in 1977 after a long career in designing electronics for weaponry. Bless his stent enabling work.
I have been eating strawberries and drinking fizzy orange while millions of Palestinians are starving. We must have some kind of autism for not attacking our politicians with guns and pitchforks during this genocide.
Our future generations will despise us as Nazi criminals for allowing this genocide.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 3 2024 21:23 utc | 108
Jane | Aug 3 2024 20:20 utc | 85
*** Some British rioters chant: “We Want Our Country Back.” ***
Immediately preceding words of the song were,
“once a nation, now we’re ruled by who?”
*** The stabbings in Southport have obviously broken a dam and a flood of fury is the result.***
Well, we are *supposed* to think that. Yet there were no such violent reactions to more serious events … or to continuously increasing floods of illegals invading across the Channel … or to the NF and BNP political parties being constantly attacked and effectively destroyed … or to the blatantly anti-national imposition of immensely destructive economic and social agendas of successive governments!
So it does not add up at all. In fact, *all* sides in evidence on the rioting are suspiciously like State fronts. Of course, it may well be that some genuine protesters tagged along, with whichever outfit, whichever side — but how clean of being State Assets are their various organisers and leaders?
*** Fury on the right is of course fascist. Fury on the left is righteous.***
“Right” … “Left” … which is really which any more?
But what there is, is the neoliberal regime — the UK Political Establishment — with its multi-party franchise flags of convenience and a fanatical loyalty to the US-empire, monopoly-capitalist system and its institutions, plus zionist Israel.
While a traitorous WEF parasite claiming to be “king” presides over the whole rotten mess.
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 3 2024 21:23 utc | 109
Maybe Kamala = Malenkov.
The US still might have around a few more decades, and Biden’s pretty much dead.
Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 3 2024 21:16 utc | 105
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Hey, I resent resemble that! 😉😆
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2024 21:24 utc | 110
Bibi’s latest brainstorm – once we get bombed hard the world will be on our side.
Not many fleeing now that almost all flights cancelled.
Posted by: Polli | Aug 3 2024 21:26 utc | 111
Fury on the right is of course fascist. Furyon the left is righteous.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 20:20 utc | 85
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Except that there’s no Left left to speak of. Thus:
Fury on the right is of course fascist. Fury on the “left” is self-righteous.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2024 21:27 utc | 112
@Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 20:20 utc | 85
What “left” are you speaking of? We basically have socially liberal Zionist neoliberals and socially conservative Zionist neoliberals trying to cosplay that there is a great deal of difference between them. Then playing games through third-parties and media to stoke up fake outrage and conflict to keep the focus off the oligarch class who are the real problem for working people.
@Posted by: Roger | Aug 3 2024 21:33 utc | 114
And then we have an actual occupied people undergoing a genocide whose complaints are absolutely righteous, and absolutely supported by international law (and the UN, ICJ, ICC …).
Massive Rocket Fire now from Lebanon towards the Upper Galilee Region of Northern Israel
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1819847198605275577
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Aug 3 2024 21:41 utc | 115
IMO, much ISR info will be provided Iran so it can make a very sophisticated and effective strike on strategic Zionist assets that will enhance the siege being waged against it. And that info is also being shared with Hezbollah and Ansarallah. I don’t think it will be shared with the Iraqi resistance, however, although its assets will also be used in the attack. That the Outlaw US Empire’s been named as the main facilitator of the assassinations tells me that its assets will also be targeted–they may perhaps be the primary targets, for without Imperial assets in the region, the Zionists would be very vulnerable. Also recall the fact that full revenge for Soleimani’s assassination has yet to be fulfilled. I hope barflies have imaginations capable enough to deal with a multivectored, multilayered combined missile and drone assault that’s timed to make the heaviest strikes during the periods when AD assets need reloading, refueling, etc., and thus the windows of opportunity open wider. I also wonder how cooperative Jordan and Egypt will be on this occasion. IMO, testing that will be the job given Ansarallah and the Iraqis. I also expect the attack’s duration to be much longer, perhaps several days even with the most devastating strikes occurring once almost all AD is down. I also expect the Zionists to counter with their Air Force assets primarily against Iran; I also expect those sent to be eliminated by Iranian AD. The Empire says “the same coalition” that operated last time will again be employed, thus begging the question of Iran targeting bases within Jordan.
I’m curious to see how the Russian’s react in Syria, whether its AD will finally be used against Zionist attackers. I also see the Empire moving more assets to the region thus increasing the number of targets. Given what was done to defend Zionist airspace the last time, a very large number of aircraft will be needed along with a huge amount of ammo. One wonders if Iran has specially tasked missiles for long distance AD work with an AI capacity to engage jets that are busy with drones. Iran does have drones armed with AA missiles.
In Palestine, it’s 100% clear who the aggressors are and that any regional nation that aides them also aides the Genocide.
Massive missile salvo from Lebanese territory towards Israel
The Iron Dome anti-aircraft missile system intercepts targets over the north of the country.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/105105
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 3 2024 21:55 utc | 118
I love, love, love attrition. The idea of exhausting an opponent (energy, ammunition, information, etc) such that they can be easily rolled over later is a tremendous path to victory, and when done well, leads to less death.
So excited to see Iron Dome being engaged before presumably the many strikes yet to come when ammunition will be more scarce.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 3 2024 21:57 utc | 119
Russia advising its citizens to leave Lebanon apparently.
If that’s the case then its very likely to be a serious Israeli attack on Lebanon/Beirut.
karlof1 | Aug 3 2024 21:46 utc | 117
That’s a possible scenario. All the players are certainly taking this seriously.
I think the US is trying to avoid getting tangled in a war with Iran at the moment, so I’m waiting to see what eventuates.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 3 2024 22:07 utc | 120
Mercouris discussed a very important topic – Netanyahu’s heedless and contemptuous behavior towards Biden. I think Biden has been pushing hard for a Gaza ceasefire and also has a temper. Yet, at the end of the day, he looks feeble, powerless and obsequious towards the apparent Master and Commander Netanyahu.
Biden and Kamala seemed distanced and rather unfriendly during Netanyahu’s visit. Yet, the best Biden can do recently is threaten him that someday maybe they might back away from Israel. I don’t buy that Biden is simply a lame duck, he’s still in charge and could react in anger without restraint because he’s a lame duck ! Instead he’s a whipped puppy dog. Not good but I guess that’s the US these days.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 3 2024 22:09 utc | 121
M. K. Bhadrakumar’s entry for today is quite good; it provides more inside info on the new Iranian government and its continuing improving relations with Gulf states. He also tells us that the Roosevelt carrier group is in the Persian Gulf, which is a very bad place for it to be. IMO, there’s clearly agreement between all flavors of Neocons for war on Iran. An attack on the Roosevelt while it attempts to defend the Zionists would be exactly what they want. So, it would be great to get a long glimpse at the map inside Iran’s War Room to get some info as to the plan.
Went to the White House website to write a brief email to Biden. It was short, contained no offensive language, but merely implored him to end the genocide in Gaza and to not allow Israel to get the US involved in another war that Israel has quite intentionally instigated. Perhaps it was the use of the word “Gaza”, I dunno, but the note was not accepted, the form erased the words I had written and the site would not let me re-write it.
At the same WH website, I could send an email to Kamala. I sent the exact same email to her that was meant for Biden, after changing the addressee name, and the one to her went through. Biden just doesn’t accept public opinion on Israel apparently.
The same basic thing went through to my senator (one of my senators is Cardin – I didn’t bother sending that asshole anything) and my congressman.
I don’t know that it matters to any of them, but by god, I’ll make some aide at least have the read the damn thing and record the gist of it every damn day until this thing is stopped. Doesn’t cost me anything anyway.
Posted by: teri | Aug 3 2024 22:22 utc | 123
Posted by: Roger | Aug 3 2024 15:35 utc | 3
Thanks for this, and your contributions in general. I was not aware of the relationship between the nationalist far-right in the UK and Israel, though I’m not at all surprised. Israel would back Satan against God if He opposed Zionism.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 22:23 utc | 124
teri @ 124
“have the read the damn thing” should obviously be “have to read the damn thing”.
Posted by: teri | Aug 3 2024 22:24 utc | 125
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 3 2024 22:09 utc | 122
It’s because they’re costing them the election.
Democrats win = more US war in Ukraine
Republicans win = more US war in Middle East
Netanyahu wants the latter
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Aug 3 2024 22:31 utc | 126
bahaha, as if every so called enlightened western country didn’t do the same exact things israel is doing somewhere else in the world. The enlightenment was always incomplete and no amount of phrenology will change that, only following it’s principles to their logical conclusions will. Liberalism has always been the mask of capitalism and imperialism.
Posted by: barfsack | Aug 3 2024 19:16 utc | 62
No disagreement with your last sentence, but I would argue that what the Israelis are doing is unprecedented in the “modern” era if we’re talking about “liberal” countries perpetrating a clear genocide and ethnic cleansing at scale. I suppose you could harken back to the US occupation of the Philippines or the Indian wars in what became the continental United States, but what’s happening in Palestine is brute force on a massive scale conducted with near real-time visibility (something the Israelis have tried to prevent by murdering journos and aid workers) and one of the most in-your-face attempts to eradicate a whole people that I can think of.
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On another topic: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/haniyeh-eyewitness-assassination-projectile-bomb
It’s quite interesting how there is such a (manufactured) controversy about the nature of the assassination. I was leaning toward the planted bomb theory a few days ago, but there is too much Israeli propaganda around the story. Regardless, Iran should retaliate but on their own terms. Don’t telegraph it to the US this time around, though.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2024 22:36 utc | 127
@ teri | Aug 3 2024 22:22 utc | 124
Good on you, but the aides won’t read them either.
Could be that the other g-word (genocide) 86ed you on the Bidet site. They’re awfully sensitive about the “Genocide Joe” moniker.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2024 22:37 utc | 128
Peter AU1 | Aug 3 2024 22:07 utc | 121–
Thanks for your reply. If the Empire wants to avoid a war with Iran, it has its carrier group in the wrong place.
The next 5 nights are essentially moonless, which does provide some tactical advantage. Not much to do now but wait and watch.
Fury on the “left” is self-righteous.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 3 2024 21:27 utc | 113
I’d call it the “lepht” – basically whatever the spinmeisters in corporate (which skews right objectively even MSDNC) decide they think will keep the proles divided is labeled “Left” even though all that really means these days is idpol.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2024 22:38 utc | 130
Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 22:23 utc | 125
It has become increasingly obvious over the last decade, especoaly since the start of the Ukraine conflivt, that the Zionists, the Islamic extremists, and the Nazi/Neo Nazi’s are all interwoven – all part of the same team of proxies.
For every action there is a reaction… or something along those lines. In the west, extremism of the so called progressives or left – The Greta Thunberg stuff and the French debauchery.
Extremism to the left and extremism to the right. Add in increasing poverty. All this stuff merely a symptom of the times in the ‘free’ west. A waste of time trying to cure symptoms without first curing the underlying or root cause.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 3 2024 22:50 utc | 131
Jane @ 85
Your last to lines are exactly right.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 3 2024 20:39 utc | 91
Objectively speaking russia is conservative so right. china is conservative as well, same as iran, even palestine is conservative. Are the above countries fascist in your brain? I hope this illustrates the cognitive problems with your adherance to the left/right psyop
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 3 2024 22:57 utc | 132
Posted by: teri | Aug 3 2024 22:24 utc | 126
The problem with writing Biden a letter to the WH – though I applaud your concerns is, is ‘Biden’ in charge….As Alex Christoforou raised the question this evening, ‘Who’s running the show?’…..Is it Jill or Hunter Biden or Kamala, or Jim Carey, the rumored stand-in for Genocide Joe………………
Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Aug 3 2024 22:59 utc | 133
@ karlof1 | Aug 3 2024 21:46 utc | 117
re: IMO, much ISR info will be provided Iran so it can make a very sophisticated and effective strike on strategic Zionist assets that will enhance the siege being waged against it.
I believe that Bhadrakumar was considering something not kinetic.
Iran to hit Israel hard with smart power
. . . While Iran factors in that the US would lose heavily from any direct military confrontation, the fact remains that it is only the Americans and the Europeans who are able to stop a full-fledged war in the region in the developing crisis situation.
This also seems to be Moscow’s line of thinking. In a phone conversation with Iran’s Acting Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri Kani on Thursday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov “called on all parties without exception that could influence the situation in the Gaza Strip and in the Middle East in general to avoid actions that could result in further destabilisation of the situation and new casualties among the civilians” — per the Russian readout.
In remarks at the Majlis on Tuesday after the swearing-in ceremony, President Pezeshkian reaffirmed that his government’s foreign policy will strive for constructive engagement with the world while upholding Iran’s national dignity and interests….here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 3 2024 23:01 utc | 134
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 3 2024 19:45 utc | 77
Isn’t the point more about the petrodollar relationship rather than US dependence on Gulf oil for its energy? Once OPEC nations no longer have to park their money in US T-bonds the empire goes into free fall.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:02 utc | 135
@ Roger | Aug 3 2024 15:35 utc | 3
roger.. i have to echo @ Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 22:23 utc | 125
thank you for this post.. i was unaware of much of this and it shines a whole new light on tommy robinson and etc. etc.. and yes – thanks for all your posts, and for patroklos for drawin my attention to your post here..
speaking of david miller – uk professor, i did read this which also shed more light on the man..
A UK professor was unfairly fired over his anti-Zionist beliefs, a tribunal ruled
Posted by: james | Aug 3 2024 23:02 utc | 136
speaking of david miller – uk professor, i did read this which also shed more light on the man..
A UK professor was unfairly fired over his anti-Zionist beliefs, a tribunal ruled
Posted by: james | Aug 3 2024 23:02 utc | 138
I also just read this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/aug/01/st-andrews-university-rector-dismissed-governing-body-israel-genocide-accusation
The University of St. Andrews in Scotland fired its rector, Stella Maris, for accurately describing Israel’s apartheid and genocide. The University Court made the decision in spite of an internal investigation which determined it would be “disproportionate” to dismiss Maris. The court said it had acted because Maris’s statements had made some students “fear for their safety.”
Ask who you are not allowed to criticize and I will show you who rules over you…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2024 23:05 utc | 137
Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 22:23 utc | 125
*** Israel would back Satan … ***
Their flag / logo — isn’t it really not a “star of David”, but something else?
***… against God if He opposed Zionism.***
By biblical account he must and does oppose it, since by divine decree the Jews permanently lost their (alleged) “chosen people” status for generally being such arseholes.
Oddly, that fact tends not to be pointed out by most supposedly Christian churches.
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 3 2024 23:17 utc | 138
Clueless Joe ( Aug 3 2024 18:30 utc | 47 ):
Very good comment!
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Cynic ( Aug 3 2024 21:23 utc | 109 ):
Thank you for writing that, most of it applies to all of western Europe.
Also Roger ( Aug 3 2024 21:33 utc | 114 and 115).
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On “natural population displacement”; whatever or whoever one wants to blame or identify among dozens of valid possibilities there’s clearly not much that is natural about what has been happening in Europe during the last century and at the insistent demands of our supposedly own so-called representatives or leaders of all different kinds.
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Giyane ( Aug 3 2024 21:23 utc | 108 ):
I hear you, and I know it is not an satisfying answer to say that we can only try to do what we think is right even when it seems like less than nothing in comparison to the crimes, but if/when that is our limit then so it is.
Merely being disgusted and opposing the genocide has some value! (And from some points of perspective perhaps the most important value).
If one can add at least one more person (oneself) to all who oppose what is happening then that is one person less for zionism. Anything else is built on top of this.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 3 2024 23:17 utc | 139
RE: “It’s because they’re costing them the election.”
“Democrats win = more US war in Ukraine
Republicans win = more US war in Middle East
Netanyahu wants the latter”
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Aug 3 2024 22:31 utc | 127
Politics aside.
It doesn’t matter what US/USreal “wants”.
They drew first blood. They now have military tar babies they’ve created.
Only way they get out of Ukraine… is surrender, capitulation to Russian settlement arrangements. Or walk away and claim victory immediately like Afghanistan.
Only way out of Gaza, ME… a Free Palestine. They have created a political & military tar baby there as well.
The Occupation will end. One State solution or 2… but they’ll be no return to “status quo”. Not in EU , not in ME.
The U.S. political theaters, or bobble head Presidential figures hardly matter to the rest of the world anymore.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 3 2024 23:18 utc | 140
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 3 2024 23:05 utc | 139
thanks tom.. that is bullshit too.. i hope she challenges this… people have to find back against these types of actions.. they did the same thing to corbyn.. they all need to challenge the system being cultivated here..
Posted by: james | Aug 3 2024 23:22 utc | 141
Jane | Aug 3 2024 20:20 utc | 85
. . .
*** The stabbings in Southport have obviously broken a dam and a flood of fury is the result.***
Well, we are *supposed* to think that. Yet there were no such violent reactions to more serious events … or to continuously increasing floods of illegals invading across the Channel … or to the NF and BNP political parties being constantly attacked and effectively destroyed … or to the blatantly anti-national imposition of immensely destructive economic and social agendas of successive governments! . . .
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 3 2024 21:23 utc | 109
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Uh, you seriously missed my point.
Which I thought my metaphor made obvious.
The dam broke, releasing a flood of fury that had been building up for years precisely because of those types of occurrences you mention, and many others.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:28 utc | 142
What “left” are you speaking of? We basically have socially liberal Zionist neoliberals and socially conservative Zionist neoliberals trying to cosplay that there is a great deal of difference between them. Then playing games through third-parties and media to stoke up fake outrage and conflict to keep the focus off the oligarch class who are the real problem for working people.
Posted by: Roger | Aug 3 2024 21:33 utc | 114
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Gosh what is with you guys today??
Obviously what I meant was the media “reception” and labeling of fury/anger, depending on the group.
Did you really need scare quos?
But thanks for the mansplaining about the uniparty anyway!! ((:-))
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:32 utc | 143
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:28 utc | 144
I can assist with editing your posts to make your grammar and expression clearer, if that helps.
[Just joking…😉]
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:34 utc | 144
I think the US is trying to avoid getting tangled in a war with Iran at the moment, so I’m waiting to see what eventuates.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 3 2024 22:07 utc | 121
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Then why have they sent a ginormous aircraft carrier into the region ?
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:40 utc | 145
Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:28 utc | 144
*** The dam broke, releasing a flood of fury that had been building up for years precisely because of those types of occurrences you mention, and many others.***
But IF the flood of anger (and present protest) is genuine … then why is it now directed by, and very much in favour of, the same (enemy) agencies as caused anger to build up in the first place?
And if opposing groups such as Antifa, ANL etc. are truly anti-fascist” (allegedly ‘left’) then why do they so actively serve the fascist imperium and its agendas?
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 3 2024 23:45 utc | 146
Politics aside.
It doesn’t matter what US/USreal “wants”.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 3 2024 23:18 utc | 142
I agree with your comment. I’m not sure the Empire establishment would though. I think they are delusional enough to think they can win this.
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Aug 3 2024 23:46 utc | 147
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:28 utc | 144
I can assist with editing your posts to make your grammar and expression clearer, if that helps.
[Just joking…😉]
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:34 utc | 146
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I’ll do my own writing, thank you very much.
And save pompous pontifications on my credentials for another day.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:49 utc | 148
RE: “Then why have they sent a ginormous aircraft carrier into the region ?”
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:40 utc | 147
Gosh Jane, haven’t you been listening to MSM…?
To “defend” Israel!! Or “deterrence” or heck, anything other reason than provocation, because they, in the West, are only “defending/deterring”… but never “provoking”!!
Only “terrorist” and “HAAKMAAS”… provoke.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 3 2024 23:51 utc | 149
Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:40 utc | 147 “Then why have they sent a ginormous aircraft carrier into the region ?”
Optics. Who knows, perhaps they do want a Pearl Harbor but I don’t think so.
Build up of US assets will be used to try and down drones, missiles ect.
Whatever Iran is going to hit, it will be according to a plan the Iran, Russia, China are all ok with. It is likely the Israelis will bomb Beirut/Lebanon in retaliation. Even Russia is advising its citizens to leave Lebanon.
US has to first secure the Venezuelan oil before they can afford to have the Persian Gulf shut down and oil prices sky rocket. Much of what I am thinking does depend to an extent on if US has replenished its strategic oil reserve. US has to import heavy oil. Jet fuel, ship fuel ect.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 3 2024 23:53 utc | 150
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:49 utc | 150
It was a joke… I can laugh at myself, but you’re being a bit precious, no? I just thought it was funny that no one seemed to be getting your posts today, especially in light of our silly argument from the other thread. Oh well, stay cranky then.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:55 utc | 151
The has many more potential targets than ships, in the Persian Gulf area.
> 21 military sites in Bay area
> U.S. troops and contractors in the Middle East approximate count according to the latest available data — total 45,400
> principally Kuwait, Bahrain & Qatar
> 8,000 US airmen at Al Udeid, home to the largest U.S. air base in the Middle East
> 7,600 US Navy sailors and 1,200 family members stationed in Bahrain
> 14,000 US Army troops in Kuwait
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 3 2024 23:57 utc | 152
Jane @ 81
4 times the amount biden was getting in (from one week to the next)
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 3 2024 20:07 utc | 82
Not really. joe had a 100 mil raised they just passe this on to kamala and claimed look at all the money she raised, and anyone affected by TDS goes look how popular she is, and switches to kamala derangement syndrome if you try, even nicely to explain this. kamala is a worse dud than joe
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 3 2024 23:58 utc | 153
Don Bacon | Aug 3 2024 23:57 utc | 154
Contractors… that target looks like low hanging fruit for a strike that would have smaller chance of initiating all out war.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 0:00 utc | 154
Iran’s target or targets will be carefully chosen. A Putin philosophy is “Never corner a rat”.
And that the coming retaliation will be with that philosophy in mind.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 0:04 utc | 155
The only thing I can think to add is my participation in the local protest in support of Palestine today.
When college was running we had 75 on average but last week was about 25 and this week was about a dozen. I did feel more passing support from drivers/passengers than previous and less negativity.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t which I hope is soon.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 0:07 utc | 156
Don Bacon | Aug 3 2024 23:01 utc | 136–
Thanks for replying, Don. I read MK’s thoughts after that long comment, then noticed the IRGC saying it will choose the time for making its Article 50 retaliation implying it won’t be immediately when all the various defensive measures will be at high alert. The “smart power” implies another approach by Zarif was devised and discussed. I have very high regard for Zarif’s abilities and wondered when he’d reappear within the Iranian government. And since then, I’ve been pondering what it might be he’d suggest as an alternative to giving the Zionists the sort of response they anticipate. Perhaps let the Iraqis, Syrians and Hezbollah act first since much softer targets are in their reach, particularly the Iraqis as they’re very mad at the refusal of the Empire to get out of Iraq, and Syria would be just as motivated. Those Imperial forces need to be routed from the region as part of any Big Picture change; so, why not hit them while the main focus is elsewhere?
Anyway, whatever transpires must hurt the Empire and the Zionists. Degrading regional Imperial assets hurts its ability to defend the Zionists. It would also be wise to further degrade the Zionists AD ammo stocks as they must be getting rather low.
It would also be wise to further degrade the Zionists AD ammo stocks as they must be getting rather low.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2024 0:17 utc | 159
That is something I think of a bit. From what I understand, the Israeli interceptors are manufactured in the US. If that is the case – well manufacturing power is now a very weak point of empire.
But then there is the cost of western manufactured interceptors compared to the cost of cheap drones an unguided missiles. Debt and the dollar…. The US is printing dollars as the world dedollarizes. US debt on the steep end of the J curve and going almost vertical when looked at on a historical US debt chart.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 0:26 utc | 158
/flies in and lands
o.o
I should probably store some grubs in my nest for this coming week.
^.~
Others may want to top off their gas tank? Or is that panic buying?
O.O
Ooh, a peanut! ^.^
/flies hops to peanut and eats it
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 4 2024 0:30 utc | 159
The Iran thing is a feint frankly. The USreal is doing a “look here, don’t look there” …
The entire destruction of Hezbollah and invasion and land theft of Southern Lebanon, political take over of the rest of Lebanon is the plan. But the destruction of Hezbollah, which they see, “as a few days”.
Keeping Iran from defending Lebanon is the goal.
As they currently see no other defender of Lebanon, and frankly, neither do I.
Hezbollah knows this too.
Anyways, latest Hezbollah report:
NOTE: Just “response” not part “retaliation” punishment to come.
https://tass.com/world/1825011
“Hezbollah fires over 50 projectiles at settlements in northern Israel
Air raid sirens went off in 15 Israeli settlements, the Al Mayadeen TV channel reported“
Rockets reportedly hit the settlements of Beit Hillel, Kiryat Shmona and Misgav Am. Fires were reported in a number of places.
Hezbollah’s military information service said on its Telegram channel that the group’s units carried out ***the first attack on the settlement of Beit Hillel **since tensions escalated on the Lebanon-Israel border. “The operation was carried out in ***response to the deaths of civilians in southern Lebanon during Israeli raids and shelling,” the statement said.“
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 4 2024 0:30 utc | 160
https://x.com/JustinWelby/status/1819363854474006990
Archbishop of Canterbury @JustinWelby
The International Court of Justice has made clear that Israel’s presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territories is unlawful and needs to end rapidly.
The State of Israel has been denying the Palestinian people dignity, freedom and hope.
Read my statement here: https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/archbishop-canterbury-statement-icjs-advisory-opinion-israel-and-occupied
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 0:31 utc | 161
RE: “Others may want to top off their gas tank? “
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 4 2024 0:30 utc | 161
Actually, not a bad suggestion. Hadn’t thought about it, any excuse to make savage profit, even for a couple of days, will be hauled out soon. So wrapped up in other stuff, forgot the game. Thx ..
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 4 2024 0:39 utc | 162
Peter Au1, I agree with you. Optics. Though I’m not sure if the US military has even factored hypersonic missiles and such. It’s hard to say with the retards running this place. It could very easily be bait. As far as I know, they haven’t replenished the strategic oil reserves. And, sending a message to either Biden or Harris is a colossal waste of effort. That’s why I don’t vote. They don’t care what you think. Peace everyone, though it doesn’t seem likely.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 0:45 utc | 163
I agree:
“Netanyahu and Co are not mad men;–”
https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-isnt-crazy-its-just-mad
Posted by: Digital Dinosaur | Aug 4 2024 0:46 utc | 164
beefing up before the big fight
https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1819867333986316411
War Intel @warintel4u
Multiple Russian IL-96 cargo planes have been flying into Tehran operated by Sky Gates and Gelix Airlines, both of which transport military equipments.
https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1819799637538308321
War Intel @warintel4u
Israeli Media: Iran has doubled or tripled its arms shipments to Syria in the last 72 hours.
https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1819769949163831409
War Intel
“Reports stating Iran received the Murmansk strategic electronic warfare system from the Russian Federation.
Electronic systems have been deployed in several parts of the country! The electronic warfare system is based on satellite communications at a distance of 5,000 to 8,000 kilometers!!! It performs jamming and disruption operations and includes 4 Kamaz trucks with its collapsible mast; A trailer with a retractable antenna and an 8×8 Kamaz truck are used as a command vehicle and generator energy supply. “
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 4 2024 0:54 utc | 165
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:49 utc | 150
It was a joke…
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:55 utc | 153
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Duh — I know you thought it was witty.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 0:59 utc | 166
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 4 2024 0:30 utc | 162
The entire destruction of Hezbollah and invasion and land theft of Southern Lebanon, political take over of the rest of Lebanon is the plan. But the destruction of Hezbollah, which they see, “as a few days”.
Keeping Iran from defending Lebanon is the goal.
As they currently see no other defender of Lebanon, and frankly, neither do I.
You are right: water and territory. The settler ideology is the driver. Always seek out the most archaic motives: land-grab. Iran is an enemy because they support HZB.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2024 1:01 utc | 167
Posted by: Jane | Aug 3 2024 23:49 utc | 150
It was a joke…
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 3 2024 23:55 utc | 153
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Duh — I know you thought it was witty.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 0:59 utc | 168
Can you guys please find your own room for this childish nonsense?
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 1:05 utc | 168
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 0:59 utc | 168
Well for what it’s worth: apologies for any offense. I like your posts (when they’re not baiting prickly profs).
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2024 1:05 utc | 169
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 4 2024 1:05 utc | 170
Can we use your place?
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2024 1:09 utc | 170
I hope this illustrates the cognitive problems with your adherance to the left/right psyop
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 3 2024 22:57 utc | 134
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Uh, no.
But I am not going to waste time helping you overcome your cognitive limitations.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 1:12 utc | 171
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 1:12 utc | 173
Annoying.
Posted by: HeyHeyHey | Aug 4 2024 1:20 utc | 173
JUST IN 6 hrs ago: 🇮🇱 Israel is in talks with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, and Bahrain to coordinate a defense strategy against an anticipated attack from Iran, according to Channel 12 Israel.
This may be a big test for the BRICS group and Russia and China in particular to gauge how much influence ideological alignment/agreement they actually have with the gulf arabs.
While Lebanon’s Hezbollah launches rocket attack on Israel 3 hours ago and Israel’s Iron Dome intercepts rockets fired by Lebanon’s Hezbollah
As Continuous stream of IL-96 cargo planes detected flying from Russia to Iran, raising suspicions of a massive transfer of heavy military equipment between the two nations. Including reports Iran has deployed Russia’s most powerful EW jamming communication system, Murmansk-BN, at strategic locations.
Might be an interesting few days or weeks. How well armed and prepared are Iran (Syria) and Russia for this? And how far will the US and China go in support of each side? I guess we’ll soon find out.
Remember when the most dramatic thing happening was will Ukraine strike the Kersch bridge to Crimea?
Posted by: Fred | Aug 4 2024 1:26 utc | 174
“When college was running we had 75 on average but last week was about 25 and this week was about a dozen. I did feel more passing support from drivers/passengers than previous and less negativity.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 0:07 utc | 158”
I forget, are you in Olympia, WA? Where the Food Co-op got sued by the local jewry for supporting BDS.
Posted by: jr | Aug 4 2024 1:33 utc | 175
Jane 144: You are desperately trying to drive a narrative that does not connect with reality, while ignoring the connections of the instigators. Also, we are talking at the very most of a thousand or two trouble makers, quite possibly less – not exactly a dam breaking more like a bath tub.
145: Mansplaining? What a sad way at an attempted shaming slur – it would have been the same response irrespective of your gender – ad hominems are not well received on this site. Scare quotes? Don’t be so obviously manipulative, you know that such quotes mean that the use of the word is questionable, as was your use of the term “left”.
Annoying.
Posted by: HeyHeyHey | Aug 4 2024 1:20 utc | 175
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Darn right!
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 1:37 utc | 177
simplicius latest..
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-keeps-world-on-pins-and-needles
if anyone knows why i can’t use the allowed html tags to get this to work, let me know.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Aug 4 2024 1:37 utc | 178
“Posted by: Roger | Aug 3 2024 15:35 utc | 3”
Riots like this take place throughout English history. They used to target Catholics, now they target Muslims.
Posted by: lester | Aug 4 2024 1:45 utc | 179
According to the article linked below, the US negotiator Amos Hochstein ( Israeli American, dual citizen) has tried – possibly with some success – to deceive the Lebanese government officials, with assurance that Beirut, and its suburbs were ‘red lines’ – and after that the strike on senior Hezbollah men in the suburbs did happen.
The “Axis of resistance”, after the most recent assassinations in Beirut and in Teheran, should declare that neither USA nor Israel has no one to serve as “partner to negotiate with”.
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/washington-misled-lebanon-into-thinking-beirut-is-a-red-line/
Posted by: fanto | Aug 4 2024 1:50 utc | 180
When college was running we had 75 on average but last week was about 25 and this week was about a dozen. I did feel more passing support from drivers/passengers than previous and less negativity.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t which I hope is soon.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 0:07 utc | 158
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I think doing a public standout in support of Palestinians and calling out the genocide really is worthwhile.
Ilan Pappe is of this view.
At our weekly standout in support of Palestine—small, just ca. 15 people—we get a lot of “support honking” and thumbs-up—hundreds. Very little negative response. Perhaps two per standout.
However, the nuts comes out in the comments threads of the local newspaper. A story about a publicly advertised Jewish Festival where members of our group who staged a silent vigil were actually given an opportunity to explain their position elicited a tsunami of incoherent, sputtering hate speech/ranting, attacks on the paper, attacks on the people doing the vigil, attacks on other commenters with labels of “Jew-hater,” “self-hating Jews,” etc.
Even the reb got into the “antisemitism” act—both in the story and in the comment thread—in reference to the vigil, most of whose participants are Jewish.
My conclusion: The ranters are actually doing a sort of service because they are so obviously circling the wagons and putting their fingers in their ears. Readers have to wonder at the psychological state of some of these commenters.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 1:56 utc | 181
If I was advising Iran, I would tell them to let the tension build. No one can remain at high alert for any length of time without psychological degradation. Iran definitely has reason to retaliate, but it’s better to let the enemy exhaust himself. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 4 2024 2:02 utc | 182
Posted by: Roger | Aug 4 2024 1:34 utc | 178
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“Mansplaining” a slur?
Scare quos (which I didn’t use) a new crime?
Sounds like you need a “safe space.”
Whoops, there, I did it!
(Go back to contributing sensible comments on the situation in Palestine.)
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 2:02 utc | 183
@ jr | Aug 4 2024 1:33 utc | 177 with the wrong assumption about my location
I am in Corvallis, OR but was one of the first graduates of TESC in Olympia and learned how the world worked there under a cultural anthropologist as we explored the future.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 2:04 utc | 184
RE: Posted by: Fred | Aug 4 2024 1:26 utc | 176
“JUST IN 6 hrs ago: 🇮🇱 Israel is in talks with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, and Bahrain to coordinate a defense strategy against an anticipated attack from Iran, according to Channel 12 Israel.”
Considering the source, it sounds like Israel’s imaginary “ME NATO” hype.
The bottom line, they will allow US forces that are already there, to shoot down Iranian drones and missiles.
Which they have no say about, since they’re poodles. Israel is trying to present them as adoring Israeli allies.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 4 2024 2:15 utc | 185
My view is that it has been made clear to Iran that it will face destruction if it retaliates beyond token. That is to say if it makes anything but a weak response.
Iran is obliged to make a full response. This was known by those who baited it. This is the popular sentiment of various populations, and the projection of different leaderships.
There were two scenarios. One would have been an immediate short strong response that might have served as warning and have been absorbed by the enemy. For the enemy to then escalate would have made it appear the aggressor.
The second scenario is of a heavy meaningful response, which is where we are now. That entails calculation and positioning of various kinds. If they get it wrong, they lose their people, their country, their culture. Think about that, about what an arrangement like that demands of preparation, of timing.
So they have watched the enemy, and western arrangement to defend and retaliate to a powerful response. That is what then has to be incorporated into planning before hostilities begin.
The aim might well be to debilitate to a maximum at first strike, to limit retaliation.
There is no secret to these kinds of calculations, and the enemy will be judging just what it thinks the other is capable of, and even if at some point to pre-empt would be better. It is watching Iran make solid preparations for battle.
Some have estimated 48 hrs as the window before pre-empt. Others have the opinion that appearance of pre-empt might be used to hurry the opponent.
There has also just been mention by officials, possibly mis-spoken, possibly strategic mis-info, of Iran possessing nuclear weapons already.
More than contemplation is pointless. It is not for others to anticipate or pressure, unless they also are willing to place their own lives into the equation.
I do not see how a peaceful resolution is possible, “Israel” has made sure one is not. Only reigning in “Israel” by the west, dismantling it with open humiliation, might serve. That is not likely.
It is clear that without action “Israel” will continue to kill Palestinians and to absorb Gaza, to destroy opposition to it and to eventually challenge Iran directly.
It has openly asked to be fought.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 4 2024 2:27 utc | 186
“I am in Corvallis, OR but was one of the first graduates of TESC in Olympia and learned how the world worked there under a cultural anthropologist as we explored the future.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 2:04 utc | 186
Oh, right. My wife attended Evergreen in 1972 then transferred to Bellingham where we met.
Posted by: jr | Aug 4 2024 2:34 utc | 187
Mansplaining? What a sad way at an attempted shaming slur.
Sounds like you need a “safe space.”
A lot of entertainment value here, but that comeback has to be nominated for the Zakharova award.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 2:38 utc | 188
Ornot | Aug 4 2024 2:27 utc | 188
To destroy Iran, US and the Zionist entity have to go nuclear. Russia has placed Iran under its nuclear umbrella. Iran has crossed the T’s and dotted the I’s according to international law. Re its presentation in the UN.
Last time the response was mild, just enough to show capabilities.
We now see major weapons shipments into and between the axis of resistance. This time those capabilities will likely be used in such a way it will hurt, but also carefully planned so as not to corner the nuclear rat.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 2:47 utc | 189
I’ve argued in these very pages, that Iran has MAD capabilities – no need for nukes. Any confrontation with the empire will be the end of the world, as that confrontation can only end with the use of nukes on Iran. Once a nuke is detonated more are to follow, and follow everywhere not just Iran. Iran will not be subdued or cowed otherwise.
Even a decapitated Iran has the capability to lash out – 1200 Miles( 2000 KM) from any border.
Back in April I advised Iran (as if they would listen to me – grin) to take out the war-fighting capabilities of the entity. They just wouldn’t listen, and here we are yet again.
Fasten your seat-belts.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 4 2024 2:53 utc | 190
@ Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 2:47 utc | 191 with the scenario about what we are watching…thanks
You know I keep seeing this as part of our bigger civilization war of which China is a big part, but behind the scenes.
How many and which ME kingdoms will support dying empire? Are there limits to that support?
Is Russia giving Syria enough equipment to defend its country?
I expect there are phases planned, depending on the reaction.
Its a civilization war folks, not just any back woods proxy war.
May we have peace on earth after this!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 3:00 utc | 191
If Israel or US nuke Iran, it’s game on. Won’t stop there.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 4 2024 3:15 utc | 192
Uh, no.
But I am not going to waste time helping you overcome your cognitive limitations.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 1:12 utc | 173
Ya my bad. I coulda formated my reply better. I also lament not including the part about how i felt your comment was /s in my reply to mark2. Decided not to speak for you. So ya. Dont let it sour your experience at the bar. Yes uniparty spoils the left right scam. Imo.
Posted by: Tannwnhouser | Aug 4 2024 3:23 utc | 193
Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2024 1:56 utc | 183
Paradoxical Jane, it can’t be easy.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 4 2024 4:00 utc | 194
Question:
Will China finally take it to the U.S. after the Israeli/Iran exchange?
It has become very tiring as a blue-collar European descended male who is married with children to keep giving China a pass for its dealings with the U.S., undercutting American manufacturing while feigning support for the Axis.
If Israel and Iran gets off the ground, I would hope barflies would agree that China had better escalate with the U.S. by selling treasuries and withholding Chinese goods.
C’mon China. Put your money where your mouth is and put up. Or else shuddap forever.
China is running out of excuses.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:03 utc | 195
The Qur’an explains that Jews hate death, and love long worldly life.
MAD is Mutually Assured Destruction.
According to Allah , Jews don’t like that option. Scared of death and having to face Allah.
Jews say they don’t believe in the prophets Eesa AS and Muhammad SAW, but they like the bit about Jews having a powerful empire in the Latter Days. Strange that.
The world has recently come to fully comprehend the totality of Jewish Lies. Every day for months they have opened up China’s of hope of settlement and negotiation, while immediately doubling down on the Genocide.
That tart Slut Job
Samson Option , SO , could so easily turn into SODS Law, your nukescgetvdeton
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2024 4:05 utc | 196
You know I keep seeing this as part of our bigger civilization war of which China is a big part, but behind the scenes.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2024 3:00 utc | 193
The Russia China joint statement of early Feb 2022.
I guess so many are used to the trash talking west, they don’t understand the historical importance of that modest statement. But with see in this Russia, China, Iran trio, each operate according to their individual strengths, but in a way that furthers the joint strategy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 4:07 utc | 197
China is running out of excuses.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:03 utc | 197
Blue collar…. it oozes through like oil from a rotting fish. We see the rise of the far right in the western world. Dolts. Imbeciles, lashing out because they don’t know jack shit, don’t know who to target.
Attacking China… Doesn’t matter left or right, the dolts attack what they want/like and support what they hate.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 4 2024 4:14 utc | 198
Whoops, pushed the wrong button.
Slut job constantly mocking the International Community’s concern for the Palestinian monstrously being tortured and annihilated.
SODS LAW , means you pissed off even your closest allies enough that the world decided to nuke your shitty little kingdoms of Khazaria Ukraine and red heifer Palestine as soon as you had exterminated all of their original occupants .
That time has come.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2024 4:14 utc | 199
Addendum and response to my thinking that China must escalate with the U.S. if Iran and Israel start to punch
For any leftist worth their salt in here, they must concede that Americans must ween themselves off Chinese goods to such a degree that American manufacturing can be reinvigorated. An isolationist, self-sufficient America is in the interest of all parties, left or right.
How can we encourage Russia whom has bled and suffered sanctions from the west for taking a principled stand but give China a complete pass for greasing the neoliberal/neocon skids of the American empire by providing cheap goods to keep the American worker down and so the white-collar mismanagement technocracy up that bends towards interventionist far easier and with less prodding than blue-collar Americans who just want to work and live in peace over here?
The strong American worker is in the interest of the emerging multipolarity.
The strong management sector under neoliberalism is a bane for all.
America First under Charles Lindbergh used to be about keeping our noses out of other people’s business. Trump’s America First is a shadow of Lindbergh’s legacy up to this point. Prove me the fuck wrong.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2024 4:15 utc | 200