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August 29, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-205
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …
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Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 9:44 utc | 1 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 10:05 utc | 2 China is having a societal breakdown. Posted by: Hot Carl | Aug 29 2024 10:17 utc | 3 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 10:05 utc | 2 Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 10:20 utc | 4 Posted by: Hot Carl | Aug 29 2024 10:17 utc | 3 Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 10:21 utc | 5 Hot Carl | Aug 29 2024 10:17 utc | 3 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 10:28 utc | 6 Posted by: Hot Carl | Aug 29 2024 10:17 utc | 3 Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 29 2024 10:59 utc | 8 Last week EC offered some kind thoughts on my reporting from China and suggested that I open a Substack account. This appealed as it would give me the opportunity to enlarge on various matters, as I do not like to engage in over long postings here. I have decided to try that out and have posted a first trial article.
It is not very long so I hope if the subject is of potential interest to you, that you will read it and perhaps engage in a discussion below. Here is the link: I am new to this so I hope it works! Posted by: Walt | Aug 29 2024 11:01 utc | 9
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 29 2024 11:15 utc | 10 Maybe already posted?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 29 2024 11:19 utc | 11 “China is having a societal breakdown. 4 UK Nato and foreign policy greatly influenced by the lies and prejudice of the notorious Bill Browder who some years ago made representations at the Defence Committee or something like that . UK politicians are easy to play as suckers by those more intelligent and manipulative eg Z….. Posted by: Jo | Aug 29 2024 11:22 utc | 13 Big question to those who live in canada. The gov/press here doesnt miss an oppourtunity to make us afraid for our future (climate change). If the world is burning, and they say it is why slap 100% tarrifs on chinese EV. What have they chosen here? Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 29 2024 11:29 utc | 14 Stupid trolls. Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 12:18 utc | 15 Interesting comment about Durov and French Intelligence agencies
Posted by: ryanggg | Aug 29 2024 12:33 utc | 16 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 12:18 utc | 15 Posted by: Walt | Aug 29 2024 12:34 utc | 17 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 10:05 utc | 2 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 13:45 utc | 18 Posted by: Hot Carl | Aug 29 2024 10:17 utc | 3 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 13:49 utc | 19 via sputnik Posted by: Jo | Aug 29 2024 14:09 utc | 20 https://t.me/llordofwar/369469
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 29 2024 14:34 utc | 21 William awesome rant. I find it really frustrating that people even paid trolls constantly fall for this BS about China. Most have never even been to Asia or if they have it is Phuket or Bali. There they never actually spend time with locals just demand fresh towels.. On my walk this morning I was thinking about China and Taiwan and wondering why China does not just cut them off?? Most companies in Taiwan are connected to China most families in Taiwan are connected to the mainland with families, most flights coming and going from Taiwan go to China. I suspect most money moves through China. Maybe that would be the plan if things heat up. My hope and belief is Taiwan does not really want this, and Taiwan is no longer the innovation center it was when we lived there. They have to know the US will use them and dump them just like Ukraine and Israel, afghanistan, and all the other countries that the US. Dumps when they loose Posted by: Susan | Aug 29 2024 14:39 utc | 22 The JCPOA is back in the news which brought forth this “Comment by Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova on latest US insinuations about Iran’s nuclear programme”:
Another delightful example of policy continuity by the Empire and its vassals who continue to be the main outlaw nations on the planet, not Iran. Also, a foreshadowing of what can be expected after the elections and January inauguration–more of the same regardless the POTUS. Susan | Aug 29 2024 14:39 utc | 22– The PRC is DEFINATELY twittering on societal breakdown Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 15:17 utc | 25 Continuing on Durov here from “week in review” by reposting on Telegram security. Posted by: Ornot | Aug 29 2024 15:24 utc | 26 Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 10:20 utc | 4 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 15:27 utc | 27 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 15:27 utc | 27 Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 15:52 utc | 28 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 10:05 utc | 2 Posted by: Cetzer | Aug 29 2024 15:53 utc | 29 My bad. The troll part stands though. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 15:54 utc | 30 Re: black and white in Venezuela Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 16:25 utc | 31 The pecking order in Latin America is based on place of origin–Europeans or Peninsulares meaning Iberos have always been on the top. Next come their prodigy born in the Western Hemisphere but pure of blood. Then comes the massive mixture of peoples with Indios at the bottom with the higher levels based on the amount of one’s Europeanness. When you look at photos of Maduro alongside Chavez, you can see the latter is darker, the former whiter, but not nearly white enough. As implied, those with the closest ethnic affiliation with Europe are the ones most easily bought by the West, their loyalties are almost never to their nation but to the Colonial mother and its surrogate in North America. Solidarity of the lower classes in search of self-determination has always been the key as Bolivia, the Zapatistas and others have shown. Jake Sullivan gets bitch slapped in China. I do remember reading about diplomacy in the past. There used to be diplomatic protocols. Especially when meeting a head of state, you would bring a well thought out gift. I sincerely doubt that anything remotely resembles the days of yore. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 29 2024 16:37 utc | 33 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2024 16:26 utc | 32 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 16:38 utc | 34 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 16:25 utc | 31 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 16:43 utc | 35 “Madurai”? Damn autocorrect switched that from Maduro twice! Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 16:44 utc | 36 Posted by: Cetzer | Aug 29 2024 15:53 utc | 29 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 16:46 utc | 37 Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 29 2024 16:37 utc | 33 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 16:49 utc | 38 15 WilliamMcGruff Posted by: NinoWheelofLife | Aug 29 2024 16:53 utc | 39 ZH has a posting up with the title
I can hardly wait for China to confront the bully Trump. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 29 2024 16:58 utc | 40 Newbie | Aug 29 2024 16:38 utc | 34– Johan Kaspar @35: “…you miss a lot of opportunities for your cause by neglecting the racial aspect of class struggle in LatAm.” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 17:09 utc | 42 psychohistorian | Aug 29 2024 16:58 utc | 40– …..Sullivan looked nervous and unsettled throughout the whole encounter, with Zhang confident and beaming……. Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 17:20 utc | 44 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 17:09 utc | 42
You’re not describing my capitalist ideology in the above quote but that of America and its groupies in Europe. My capitalist ideology recognizes that the main determinants are economic in nature. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 17:30 utc | 45 Thanks for your reply. Brazil’s a very interesting case and has a very convoluted history, and the same can be said of most of the non-North American nations in the Western Hemisphere. The best textbooks to learn those histories aren’t in English either. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 17:49 utc | 46 Latest from Matthew Desmet substack, ending:
Note his emphasis on the root problem being the mechanistic (aka materialist) worldview now shared by most ruling classes in multipolar as well as the Wicked West states. Broadly speaking, we already have a One World culture, fractious and fragmented as it is. I used to think that maybe the British Empire made it happen, riding on the coattails of Guns, Germs and Steel etc., but now wonder if it isn’t the other way around: the world naturally has a feeling for humanity as a whole and has been trading and cross-fertilizing for many thousands of years, even in neolithic times apparently. So maybe that intuitive, subconscious-level connection facilitated the post industrial revolution World Empire but those riding that crest in 19th Century Britain exploited that self-existing world wide connection in the ways that the greedy materialist machine people are wont to do. Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 17:57 utc | 47 I’m not sure why Sullivan went to China. He’s not going to have a job come January. As lame-duck as you can get. Why would China even bother with him? Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 29 2024 18:13 utc | 48 Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 15:52 utc | 28 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 18:14 utc | 49 Middle class Karens like to keep the discussion away from issues of class because that illuminates the fact they are on the “Bad Guys'” side of the issue. That doesn’t help with their empty “virtue signaling”. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 18:15 utc | 50 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 17:57 utc | 47
This view shares with dominant ideology its adherence to depart from reality to make a better world.
This shows the fanaticism of the author. I’d rather live in a totalitarian State instead of just being dead. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 18:27 utc | 51 I’d rather live in a totalitarian State instead of just being dead. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 18:40 utc | 52 Re: Living in a Totalitarian State Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 18:54 utc | 53 Solidarity within the working classes—technically, those who do not own income-generating property—requires not just solidarity of the craft unionist with the industrial unionist, and also the employed with the unemployed, and also with the immigrant worker. (Contempt for immigrants is a common expression of contempt for workers, immigrant money is not at all despised in the same way.) All these forms of solidarity are not cost free for individuals in the short run. But in the long run worker solidarity will benefit all, even the petty bourgeois and the lumpen and the salvageable individuals in the big bourgeois. Understanding this is part of class consciousness. Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2024 19:02 utc | 54 #53 @Exile My litmus test is always “what happens when a regular person politely argues with a cop ?” Posted by: billb | Aug 29 2024 19:25 utc | 55 “Middle class Karens like to keep the discussion away from issues of class because that illuminates the fact they are on the “Bad Guys'” side of the issue. That doesn’t help with their empty “virtue signaling”.” Thierry Meyssan published an informative look into the Venezuelan election Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 29 2024 19:36 utc | 57 Thanks the insight on arguing with a Cop in the PRC Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 19:39 utc | 58 fascinating and informative article on albania’s role in nurturing mek… i highly recommend it.. Posted by: james | Aug 29 2024 19:51 utc | 59 canuk@ 56 Posted by: simon crow | Aug 29 2024 19:58 utc | 60 @ simon crow | Aug 29 2024 19:58 utc | 60 Posted by: james | Aug 29 2024 20:00 utc | 61 Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2024 18:54 utc | 53 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 20:07 utc | 62 “canuk@ 56 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 29 2024 18:27 utc | 51 Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 20:30 utc | 64 A US type My Lia massacre in Iraq – has been discovered after a FoI. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2024 20:43 utc | 65 One likely by-product of the US selling lots of up-to-date military gadgets to Taiwan is that all the technical details probably make their way to Beijing and the PLA very quickly. Posted by: lester | Aug 29 2024 20:44 utc | 66 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 12:18 utc | 15 Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 29 2024 20:49 utc | 67 Re gifts, for centuries, Euro governments sent table clocks etc. to Beijing, under the mistaken opinion the Chinese liked them. Most may still be seen in the Hallof Weird Clocks at the Forbidden City. Euro clocks did not have Chinese hours or minutes, and broke down frequently. Most peole were satisfied with their sundials and water clocks. Posted by: lester | Aug 29 2024 20:51 utc | 68 Exile @58: “Paradoxically, the PRC might be freer than the USA” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 21:07 utc | 70 There are no winners except jingoistic retards who hate the Chinese. Sad and frustrating. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 21:25 utc | 71 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 29 2024 16:25 utc | 31 Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 29 2024 21:25 utc | 72 China’s policy of promoting people-to-people contacts with all nations and Taiwan in particular has proven very potent and within Chinese culture an excellent use of soft power. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 21:38 utc | 73 Immaculate deception @ 33
Lately, they all get bitch slapped in China. The empire sends its emissaries to the Chinese court to get bitch slapped, shouldn’t the empire be calling Chinese emissaries to its court to get bitch slapped??? Doesn’t seem like a very impressive empire these days. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 29 2024 21:39 utc | 74 maybe they should find someone with a tougher countenance? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 21:42 utc | 75 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 21:25 utc | 71 Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 29 2024 21:46 utc | 76 I don’t see it happening in my lifetime. Until then we will shovel everything we own into the US maw. We’re a colonial settler oligarchy to our dying day… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 21:56 utc | 77 Patroklos | Aug 29 2024 21:46 utc | 76 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 22:06 utc | 78 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2024 20:43 utc | 65 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 22:09 utc | 79 The class or race arguement would have an interesting case study should mortal tragedy strike Prince William and his children. How would the establishment cope with King Harry and the octoroon? Of course that scenario has the added twist of Harry and Charlie not actually being biologically related. Posted by: Ново З | Aug 29 2024 22:13 utc | 80 @ karlof1 | Aug 29 2024 15:03 utc | 24 Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 29 2024 22:27 utc | 81 So according to both of you (me and William Gruff) Social Economic Scientist everyone whom is ‘middle class’ are ‘Bad Guys.’ Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 29 2024 22:46 utc | 82 LightYFH@2139 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 22:48 utc | 83 William Gruff@2107 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 22:51 utc | 84 Republic of Scotland@2043 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 22:58 utc | 85 Scorpion@2030 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 23:16 utc | 86 Exile@1939 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 29 2024 23:30 utc | 87 We watch war. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 23:34 utc | 88 If there is a diplomatic gift that might go well in China it might be some of the cultural booty taken out of China during the century of humiliation. Maybe just take a chunk of the British Museum booty and return it. The UK won’t be able to stop the US doing that. The USA has plenty too, but the pipsqueak UK vassal state is a perfect place to take stuff from. Posted by: Gift Hoarse | Aug 29 2024 23:38 utc | 89 Ново З | Aug 29 2024 22:13 utc | 80 Posted by: Cynic | Aug 29 2024 23:39 utc | 90 Canuck @1929 #56 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 30 2024 0:08 utc | 91 JohanKaspar@1827 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 30 2024 0:16 utc | 92 Scorpion citing Mattias@1757 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 30 2024 1:12 utc | 93 Re: Living in a Totalitarian State Posted by: Zet | Aug 30 2024 1:35 utc | 94 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 29 2024 17:11 utc | 43 Posted by: circumspect | Aug 30 2024 1:40 utc | 95 If he trys to sit down with Putin the people on the left will be telling me he is sucking Putin’s dick. I heard it before and will probably hear it again. Posted by: TM | Aug 30 2024 2:08 utc | 96 Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 30 2024 1:12 utc | 93 Posted by: Turdworld | Aug 30 2024 2:40 utc | 97 @ circumspect | Aug 30 2024 1:40 utc | 95 Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 30 2024 2:50 utc | 98 War Nerd
TW, SCS [skirmishes with Philippines], ECS [skirmishes with Jp], coups in Pakistan, Sri lanka, Bangladesh, unrest in Indonesia,
Myanmar
Posted by: denk | Aug 30 2024 2:57 utc | 99 @93 aristodemos Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 30 2024 2:59 utc | 100 |
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