Illegal immigration is around 50 000 people a year in UK with with maybe half a million illegaly in UK.
Asylum seekers are at around 50 to 100 000 (varies depending on crisis) per year
Each year the population increases by one million immigrant status people currently, offset by half a million emigrants, leaving a net increase of half a million people.
(Taking legal/illegal definitions as those in law)
So 10 to 15 % of immigrants per year are illegal or might be considered a burden.
However, in a recent surge many legal immigrants arrived for more temporary work or study, so the half million per year migration net is expected to return to a lower figure of maybe a positive three hundred thousand immigrants net per year due to the legal immigration reaching a steady turnover of new legal immigrants vs those later emigrating – is expected to.
So we end up with @ 30 to 45% of immigrants (those being the illegal immigrants) being at least initially a potential burden (there are very harsh figures around which include later legal family immigration , that estimate generations of cost to a nation) . Those immigrants are also those most likely to naturalise (hence population predictions of share of foreign descent citizens outnumbering local eventually) as well as least likely to integrate fully.
Very rough figures are not difficult – 100 000 per year over ten years is a million, legal family immigration and higher birth rate turns that towards two million , which is already maybe 5% of the population. Which is why the projections exist for foreign cultured population to overtake local eventually, for various countries.
However most of the foreign immigrant population at any point in time are not illegal, and most will leave instead of taking nationality.
Many immigrants also see illegal immigration as a problem.
Indian’s make up the largest group of immigrants, they tend to be respectful do they not (whether liked or not).
So that is only to say … ?
Some have given the opinion that the aim of encouraging immigration is to lower common wages.
There is also the view is that the aim is for political manipulation, due to creating a voter base that will tend to vote ‘left’ .
There is also the view that increased competition (via government subsidy to immigrants) will push up prices of housing and other goods, so rewarding asset holders, be it boomer generation housing and stocks, or corporate. This feeds back into social spending for the now poor, and hence government authority and control.
There is also the view that ‘dispersion’ of migrants by quota will interupt local culture and society, as well as creating in roads for increased bureaucratic oversight.
There is also the view that antagonisms caused by the above changes will lead to at least excuses for public disturbance, disturbances which might be used for political or social management ends. Equally the theme of population/cultural replacement is one that might be used only to divisively manage the population.
There is the view that conflicts are encouraged by providing the above facilities. Immigrant reception might be taken as making compensation for conflicts that might not otherwise have occurred.
There is the view that disintegration of national identity is a means to weaken the decision making ability of any nation, rendering the population divided and confused.
In EU this is an openly stated aim, where indivualism is understood as a reward. The atomisation of society, and then restructuring of it as a homogenous individual identity, is quite possibly the aim.
This would be a terrible idea in my opinion. We only have to look at more obvious examples, like the disintegration of family structure, to understand that direction.
So all in all, the view of subsidised immigration to UK (and probably most countries in Europe) is not very positive I think.
TBC … I only have time to write and not read at the moment, meaning the usual.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 17 2024 16:05 utc | 104

https://www.rt.com/news/602702-trump-shooter-disturbing-cremation/
Could it be that the FBI knows something it d/n want everyone else to know?
within 10 days the shooters body was secretly creamated?
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 16 2024 22:19 utc | 70
It’s so unprecedented and odd that it’s hard to judge: China using US dollars to support Tether stablecoin. The transaction volume is the thing – enormous and growing rapidly. So, the dollar continues but gets used to end US hegemony. Try and wrap your head around that !
<= How can a western based person take advantage of this digital coin development in Hong Kong? What should the western based person invest in to take advantage of the growth of these USD derivative digital coins are likely to take? Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 16 2024 22:52 utc | 71 Yes, Nineteen 13 initiated the fall of the USA; to be replaced by the United $tates of America Corporation in 1938 in the corporatively liberal state of DuPont (aka Delaware) in 1938. <= the value of Chinese digital coins are derivatives of the USD, but are not subject to western surveillance or restrictive controls? In other words, they are sanction proof. This stymies both the USA corporation(1938) and the Federal reserve. The USD derivative Chinese digital coin tracks the value of the USDs in circulation and it seamlessly transfers monetary settlement between buyers and sellers in the different nations. Western banking interest are at a loss how to control something they cannot see. Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2024 23:12 utc | 74 The NED is an illegal entity that violates the US Constitution via its acts of subversion in other nations. <=Aristodemos correctly explains that the constitution of the USA, has been dispensed with, and the government the Constitution of the USA authorized no longer exist as of 1938. Important 1913 acts, transposed the taxing power of the USA from taxing transactions (Article I, section 9, paragraph 4 <=operates like sales tax ) to taxing incomes (16th amendment Ratified Feb 3, 1913). IMOE Federal Reserve Act (signed into law by Woodrow Wilson, December 13, 1913) transferred all the wealth in America from the protection of the government to private property owned by the Federal Reserve members. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/12/23/256326325/a-locked-door-a-secret-meeting-and-the-birth-of-the-fed

Posted by: snake | Aug 17 2024 16:45 utc | 106

Posted by: denk | Aug 17 2024 14:04 utc | 107
The above is just the tip of an iceberg,
but you get the drift.
Yet the poop jump up screaming anti white racists [sic], linking it to the racial conflict in uK, which is nowhere mentioned in my comment.
they dont call you the poop for nuthin, you’r really full of it

That was a comment with an argument, so congratulations; rare. But your earlier post implied that I was the white supremacist which you are now weaseling out of with unrelated arguments and impressive-looking quotes. Though of course you had to end it, as always, with shit-posting. I suggest a change of diet to get all the crap out of your mouth which is always obsessively regurgitating it! The ‘poop’, dearest darling denk, is entirely in your own mind as evidenced so often in your childishly rude comments!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2024 19:39 utc | 108

Posted by: canuck | Aug 16 2024 19:08 utc | 50
Scorpion the big picture problem is thus: “Historical European (including America) leaders were crude colonists, no doubt. Yet they were but following eons of endemic humankind behaviour: larger racial groups dominating peoples they could control, exploit. and subjugate-like the Spartans, like the Persians, like the Romans, like the Arabs, like the Han Chinese, like the Spanish, like the Aztecs, like the Iroquois, et al.
So Karma is coming to England- the worst of the ‘modern’ colonists but the ‘revenge’ will probably be ‘darker’ than the originating initiating incident.. IMO

Well said. I don’t understand everything but racial explanations over- simplify and are usually used by people who can’t think for themselves. One possibly helpful notion is that our Human Realm comprises heavens and hells and all in between through which both individually and collectively we navigate; this can also be described as Good and Evil.
Interestingly, Goodness only develops through encounters with Badness – we all learn and grow from our respective denks! – whilst Evil only functions via exploiting the rules-following docility of the naively Good. These two aspects play out in endless ways as both individual and collective narratives and destinies, including occasional conflagrations and mass slaughter. Great civilizational cultures promote wisdom, compassion, skill, valour, artistry, ability to ward off enemies and so on. Moreover, there is never perfect stasis, always some sort of turmoil and no end of question marks.
What doesn’t change are bedrock principles and values; what does change is everything else, which is what we work with as best we can on our life journeys.
So those group thinkers projecting all Evil on Whitey these days, or also Putin-as-perfect and therefore not-to-be-criticized, are perpetuating a ‘Right versus Wrong’, ‘Us versus Them’ dynamic which furthers only conflict, not wisdom. Putin works both with the evil oligarchs within his polity and with bedrock principles for the good of his civilization; he is not a Saint, nor are all White people devils. Things are never that Black and White. There is always a double-sided process.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2024 20:27 utc | 110

Photo of him walking with Burkina Faso leader Traoré in Moscow, yesterday I think. Their facial expressions are great.
Not Ukraine but about the future of the Sahel.from
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1824921595108065332

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Aug 17 2024 21:56 utc | 112

Hello, me again.
I only rarely add anything to Moon of Alabama. I just did something on my own blog about the Olympic games and controversies there. The weird opening ceremony, XY women athletes, covid denial, and so on. I am curious how the MOA crowd reacts to it.
Besides, I moved my project over to ghost. Sick of wordpress’s back end. Much happier with it, want to show it off. So have a look. https://www.competentsincharge.ca/about-the-olympics/

Posted by: tim rourke | Aug 17 2024 22:28 utc | 114

Lead-in to article by Hoffmeister who regularly translates Dugin’s latest pieces in Arktos Online Magazine.
https://www.eurosiberia.net/p/kill-modernity-dugins-warcry

The Fourth Political Theory isn’t just a book — it’s a manifesto, a bomb, a slap in the face of everything you’ve been fed. Alexander Dugin walks into the room, uninvited, and smashes the three pillars of the 20th century: liberalism, communism, fascism. They’re done. Over. Dead, or should be. Liberalism, the last zombie standing after the Soviet Union collapsed, now drags us all into a one-world nightmare. Dugin’s here to scream: “Enough!” We need a fourth way, something that spits in the face of the old, something that doesn’t bow down to the liberal machine.
Dugin rips apart their sacred cows. Liberalism? It worships the individual — me, me, me. Communism? It shackled itself to class. Fascism? A boot on the face of the nation. But Dugin, he’s talking about something deeper, darker. He wants to put Dasein at the center — yes, that heavy, slippery word from Heidegger. It’s about Being, but not the lame, surface-level crap. It’s the primal scream of existence, before all the -isms poisoned the well. He wants us back there, in touch with the raw, the real, the things that burn beneath the skin.
Dugin’s disgust with modernity is visceral. Modernity is a disease, spreading its filth, erasing who we are, turning culture into cheap fast food. He’s saying: kill it. If we want to survive, if we want something more than the soul-crushing uniformity of the global West, we have to ditch modernity. We need a world where civilizations stand tall, separate, strong. No more melting pot — burn that idea. He’s dreaming of a world where everyone isn’t forced into the same ugly mold.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2024 23:33 utc | 116

@ Posted by: grunzt | Aug 17 2024 16:44 utc | 110
The late Udo Ulfkotte’s book Gekaufte Journalisten gives some details about the workings of the system (you’re very much correct, there’s a whole network) set up to control German media. There are specific “Atlanticist” elements, but really it’s more of the same five filters that Herman and Chomsky talked about, the same idea of allowing vigorous debate but only within carefully specified limits.

Posted by: Planner | Aug 18 2024 0:43 utc | 118

Si senor. And your point?

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2024 3:19 utc | 120

Hey Bernhard,
A friendly suggestion for this next week is to have a thread just for the DNC event.
I hope you are healing well and regaining strength.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 18 2024 4:30 utc | 122

The Palestine thread is bugged apparently.
One must admit that Netanyahu is the current incarnation of white supremacism. Lammy was there to leak his feet and delay any Iranian attack, and in return he was treated the Obama way.
When will the slaves revolt?
https://aje.io/xjiqea?update=3124554

Posted by: Minaa | Aug 18 2024 4:52 utc | 124

Scorpion @ 125
If i have to explain it you would’nt understand my point.
Hypocracy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 18 2024 7:16 utc | 126

Posted by: MR | Aug 16 2024 15:56 utc | 20
“Of course the first detection of it in wastewater was in San Francisco.”
Of course it could also be a prime target for public release of a pathogen in order to demonise a population, non?

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 18 2024 10:49 utc | 128

I hope it is no secret that the Russian economy is “state capitalism”. Well, if you did not know this, then congratulations, today you have learned something new. “State capitalism” means that the key sectors of the real economy are owned by the state directly or through subsidiaries or through complex chains of share ownership. That is, it is essentially one huge corporation, closed in itself and producing within itself everything necessary for self-sufficiency. Due to this structure, different sectors act more harmoniously than if it were in a liberal market. This is one aspect of the so-called “Putin stability”. The positive property of this type of economy is good stability compared to the liberal market. The negative property is that the economy reacts slowly to changes, and management decisions, if they were not made in advance, are made with a delay.
What is happening in the Russian economy now? The state is pouring money from the national fund into those enterprises that are directly related to military support. Part of this money goes to raising workers’ salaries. A lot of money is also spent on bonuses to attract volunteer military personnel.
The effect of this is that a large number of ordinary people (i.e. not top managers or business owners) receive an excess amount of money. They can now spend more on non-military services and non-military goods. And this stimulates the growth of non-military sectors of the economy.
But, since the Russian economy of the “state capitalism” type is slow, the growth of production of non-military goods and services does not keep up with the growing mass of cash in the population. Because of this, there is strong inflationary pressure. This is where the 8% inflation comes from.
The state-corporation sees this as a problem of public discontent and uses methods to reduce the flow of unsecured money to the population, at the same time not reducing or even increasing the salaries of the military and workers. The head of the Russian central bank, Nabibulina, came up with a solution: to raise interest rates so that citizens receive less money through loans. This is how the loan rate turned out to be 18%. And this is not the limit, the interest rate can grow even more so that people take out even fewer loans. For the banking system, this is not a problem, because Russian banks are owned by the state directly or through intermediaries. But it is a problem for small private enterprises that produce non-military services and that rely on borrowed money to develop their business.
Also, high interest rates on loans make low-income groups rely less on borrowed money and tend to voluntarily join the army.
What to expect in the long term? The state-corporation will continue to stimulate the military and workers with high salaries. Military production will remain high during the war and will remain high for many years after the war, even when the need for weapons becomes low. Why? Because this economy is slow to accept change and will wait until the production of non-military goods and services can compensate for the shutdown of the military economic machine. The state-corporation will seek to compensate for the costs of the national fund by selling resources to other countries, even at prices well below market prices. In return, the state-corporation expects to receive non-military goods and services from other countries to sell on its domestic market in order to compensate for the slow growth of the domestic non-military economy and reduce inflationary pressure. They are mainly counting on China.
The Russians know this. NATO knows this. BRICS+ knows this.
Accordingly, NATO countries are trying to find such forms of sanctions that will make it much more difficult for Russia to compensate for domestic expenses with external expenses, so that the internal economic imbalance will lead to discontent among the population and the strengthening of the pro-Western opposition. Accordingly, the BRICS countries are also using the opportune moment to acquire Russian resources cheaply.
What will come of this in the end – we will find out not now, but in the coming years.

Posted by: Horror Hippo | Aug 18 2024 13:37 utc | 130

NED
A recap…
Exhibit A
Ex Yugoslavia

About 70,000 Yugoslav students, intellectuals, miners and other workers were secretly taken to Budapest in Hungary and trained in special camps set up there on mass demonstration techniques.

https://tinyurl.com/mrphm78m

Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2024 15:29 utc | 132

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2024 20:27 utc | 115
————————
YT comments on UK unrest

Chickens are coming home to roost
Karma
What a sight to behold

I wonder why ?
————-
The ROW has had enough of FUKUS arsonists, thats why !
1965
FUKUS masterminded Chinese genocide in Indonesia
International community aka [five liars]

Best news of the century

1969
FUKUS orchestrated Chinese genocide in Malaysia
IC
The silence was deafening

1989
FUKUS raise hell in TAM
International community screamed…

Cancel China

2008
FUKUS engineered Han genocide in Tibet
International community

Boycott Beijing Olympics [genocide olympics]

2009
FUKUS sponsored Uighurs militants genocided Han in Xinjiang
INternational community

No fair !
Where’s Muslim outrage ?

2014
FUKUS staged genocide in HK
international community

What a wonderful sight to behold.

Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2024 15:44 utc | 134

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 18 2024 15:48 utc | 141
————-
We’r on different channel aint we ?
I dont give a rat ass who’s the next potus
cuz it means nuthin, the same shit goes on and on and on,…

Posted by: denk | Aug 18 2024 15:58 utc | 136

“My main beef with the ‘white supremacism’ trope is that it is part of a line of thinking wherein all Whites are irredeemably evil demons who should fervently wish to be miscagenated out of existence. Also, there is a level of groupthink hypocrisy wherein it’s perfectly fine for blacks, gays and women to self promote and push for legislation that favours them by discriminating against whites, but unacceptable for whites, especially white males, to do the same. Furthermore, it’s perfectly fine to keep bashing whites, especially males, in ways which would be characterized as racist if one were describing blacks, gays or women in the same way. If racism is such a bad thing, then so is anti-white racism.
Most of all, the whole thing is clearly manipulation, a ‘marxist’ psyop, and it pisses me off that so many of us have fallen for it.
Lastly, and perhaps worst of all, it lacks nuance……….
Essentially, nuance is verboten from public discourse making public discourse harsh, crude and all too often ignorant. To the ruin of us all.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2024 13:32 utc | 135
A well though out rant-though, of course, that’s an oxymoron?
Anyways, I believe you nailed it-it a human thing. Its a bit unexpainable but I will do the best I an
Played, was a parent, coached minor hockey. In a game if a player elbowed somebody, and the other player retaliated with an elbow at the same intensity-the ref saw both infractions but he (they were always he’s) would only call the retaliation.
Same with Israel/Iran-the whole world saw the original infraction but the Ref/West will call the penalty on Iran when it retaliates.
Same with the get the ‘Whites Secular Crusade’ because whites 200 years ago enslaved blacks-they can rape, burn, protest during covid but the Ref gives the White truckers peaceful protest criminal records and freeze their bank accounts …
Scorpion there is only a few us here that get it, in lieu of a more descriptive phrase-I can only repeat your magisterial last line:
“Essentially, nuance is verboten from public discourse making public discourse harsh, crude and all too often ignorant. To the ruin of us all.”

Posted by: canuck | Aug 18 2024 16:38 utc | 138

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 18 2024 14:43 utc | 137
Scorpion @ 135
Please pass on my sympathy to mrs scorpion.

I shall of course do no such thing given you have elected to communicate with me, like dung-mouth denk, without respect or basic manners, therefore whatever you have to say is of no interest. Others here may find it entertaining, though why is beyond me; it’s been more than half a century since I was in high school. In any case, please don’t be surprised if I don’t reply to further such childish insults. Meanwhile, enjoy your life!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2024 17:38 utc | 140

“Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 18 2024 14:43 utc | 137
Scorpion @ 135
“Please pass on my sympathy to mrs scorpion.
I shall of course do no such thing given you have elected to communicate with me, like dung-mouth denk, without respect or basic manners, therefore whatever you have to say is of no interest. Others here may find it entertaining, though why is beyond me; it’s been more than half a century since I was in high school. In any case, please don’t be surprised if I don’t reply to further such childish insults. Meanwhile, enjoy your life!”
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2024 17:38 utc | 146
Well Mark2 if Mrs. Scorpion has been around a number of years Mr. Scorpion must have been kind to her; I am married for 34 years and my wife would be long gone (A Magyar-they are tough)if I had not been- so you just putting out a provocation.
On the other had Scorpion, like all old men, including myself , can be very grumpy-Scorp. we are in the same community ‘let’s all try to get along’.
Hey mark2 you and I have had our differences -mostly because you make make an Idol out of Marxism which blinds you to the ‘nuances’, and you would reply , and maybe correctly, that capitalism has ruined the West subtleties’ of life history-whatever-you, me, Scorp. we are all on the same page -we are all Serfs of the PTB-fighting each other is exactly what the PTB desire-divide et impera.
Think about it.
Think about it-and ‘denk’ is alright in my book-I respect his POV and Scorp. you are too sophisticated to take your marbles away and not play.
Let’s be easy on the personal stuff…

Posted by: canuck | Aug 18 2024 23:06 utc | 142

/cheep
^.^
Why thank you, Mark2! I hope you are having a great day! This board could use more sunshine and hugs now, so thanks for the kindness!
/cheep cheep

Posted by: titmouse | Aug 19 2024 1:18 utc | 144

Ex Autonomy CEO and CFO die within 24 hours of each other weeks after getting acquitted in an 11 billion case involving HP. The first in a luxury yacht shipwreck and the second in a hit and run while out jogging on a quiet country road. Mike Lynch was the name of the CEO.
It’s the most significant happening, unrelated to war, that I can remember. Informed speculation please. I thought western state-affiliated multimillionaires were untouchable. What a strong message to some western elites from their peers.

Posted by: teufel | Aug 20 2024 3:10 utc | 146

Ex Autonomy CEO and CFO die within 24 hours of each other weeks after getting acquitted in an 11 billion case involving HP. The first in a luxury yacht shipwreck and the second in a hit and run while out jogging on a quiet country road. Mike Lynch was the name of the CEO.
It’s the most significant happening, unrelated to war, that I can remember. Informed speculation please. I thought western state-affiliated multimillionaires were untouchable. What a strong message to some western elites from their peers.
Posted by: teufel | Aug 20 2024 3:10 utc | 146
For Lynch, if someone didn’t invent a way to unleash a tornado, it was a natural event and a bad design of the 40 m mast of the yacht
Mechanical Translation

Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 20 2024 14:40 utc | 148

Ex Autonomy CEO and CFO die within 24 hours of each other weeks after getting acquitted in an 11 billion case involving HP. The first in a luxury yacht shipwreck and the second in a hit and run while out jogging on a quiet country road. Mike Lynch was the name of the CEO.
It’s the most significant happening, unrelated to war, that I can remember. Informed speculation please. I thought western state-affiliated multimillionaires were untouchable. What a strong message to some western elites from their peers.
Posted by: teufel | Aug 20 2024 3:10 utc | 146
For Lynch, if someone didn’t invent a way to unleash a tornado, it was a natural event and a bad design of the 40 m mast of the yacht
Mechanical Translation
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 20 2024 14:40 utc | 148
The mast of the sunken ship is 75 meters not 40 meters (1)
1.Bayesian superyacht’s ‘tallest mast in world’ doomed £14m …
The Sun
https://www.thesun.co.uk › News › World News
5 hours ago — The luxury vessel had the tallest aluminium mast in the world which went a whopping 75m high. Advertisement

Posted by: canuck | Aug 20 2024 15:02 utc | 150

R.I.P. Phil Dohahue.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 20 2024 14:55 utc | 149
Thanks.
The closing lines of Ritter’s piece:
“Looking back, Phil and I got the better of the deal.
We retained our honor and integrity
Phil Donahue died this past Sunday.
And with his passing went one of the last honest journalists in America.”
Yes, one of the last. They are dying faster than they are being replaced.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 20 2024 15:29 utc | 152

zeke and canuck 151 153
Judge Nap is on Rumble – YT mus have censored Alastair Crooke! His talk yesterday is on Rumble.

Posted by: fanto | Aug 20 2024 20:48 utc | 154