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August 8, 2024
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I’m gonna play hopscotch in this bar again. I like your bar water and salty snacks. State your piece yet keep your spirits in peace! 😀 You mostly agree here, it’s just your egos that get bruised. Don’t worry, they heal in time too.
/searches for a new bottlecap token
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 8 2024 13:20 utc | 1
Notwithstanding the ongoing genocide and pending “no limits war,” it sure seems that it has been determined upon high that we are to collectively forget and ignore the 7/13 attempt on the life of Donald Trump. To my mind, that event was the most significant occurrence in American public life since Watergate.
I know there is a lot of independent analysis out there, but I have little time to wade through it, and the sometimes nonscientific or connotatively right-wing branding around a lot of it further impairs my motivation to dive deep. But has an evidence-based narrative in fact coalesced? How many shots were fired? Did anyone ever find Maxwell Yearick? What do we know about the command of the local PD, upon whom much has been (plausibly) blamed?
This shouldn’t go away.
Posted by: Pechorin | Aug 8 2024 13:24 utc | 2
The longstanding barfly psychohistorian is to receive the Honorary MoA prediction medal.
“We herewith recognize barfly psychohistorian for his incisive predictions of an end to the shit show we are witnessing.
During tumultive turmoils in the summer of 2024, it fearlessly took action on various threads, constantly reminding on a civilizational war playing out; many barflies, lurkers, and barfleas were reached. Psychohistorian also displayed extraordinary commitment to the cause by sporting a yard sign and beating his drum on most days, inspiring everyone and their poodle to think about the future of humanity.
Disregarding his personal risk and great danger to his reputation, psychohistorian assumed leadership with his prediction of an end to the shit show by August 2024, distinguishing himself with conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity.”
Congratulations from the bar!
With that, the MoA Prediction Medals have all been doled out; the Medal in Gold went to an undisclosed recipient. The next round of commendations will be called the MoA Prognostication Medal.
Posted by: persiflo | Aug 8 2024 13:57 utc | 3
Chris Martinson at peakposperity has done some excellent video and audio analysis.
Conclusion: something is very rotten about the whole thing and the ‘official’ story is crumbling
Posted by: Ross | Aug 8 2024 14:39 utc | 4
Notwithstanding the ongoing genocide and pending “no limits war,” it sure seems that it has been determined upon high that we are to collectively forget and ignore the 7/13 attempt on the life of Donald Trump. To my mind, that event was the most significant occurrence in American public life since Watergate.
Posted by: Pechorin | Aug 8 2024 13:24 utc | 2
Pure bullshit, although I can’t argue that something so superficial and fake might not be the most significant thing in half a century for Americans.
It was (crudely) staged, piled sky high with occult imagery and Trump was in on it. There was no attempt on his life. 0% doubt. I especially like the detail that he kicked one of his shoes off (one shoe off for freemasons means he’s doing it voluntarily), then said several times “let me get my shoes on” to bring attention to them, and released some fucking line of 5000 pairs of Fight Fight Fight (666) sneakers within a day.
Or take the the flag teleporting into the pictures. Or Trump saying later that his hand was covered in blood, when it never was. Or his doctor saying he had a 2 cm hole in his ear that apparently bled horribly for a few seconds and then stopped, the blood never staining his clothes, and the day after he had a little bandaid on his ear and the second day afterwards the ear was healed.
Or the people seated behind him having zero need to take cover after shots were fired and someone supposedly died right there. Yeah.
Here’s a proper analysis. Download and stash it somewhere too. It’s in English.
https://tube.kansanvalta.org/w/hkFj4fUiCH9WzRNzLTTKSM
Local PD, Maxwell Yearick, number of shots, layout of the scene, the blackrock ad—all meaningless distraction.
Posted by: Michael A | Aug 8 2024 14:43 utc | 5
@MIcheal A
His sheep refuse to look at the symbols….
Howbout the dearth of discussion concerning Vance’s wife’s one eye hair style at the RNC….
…who the fuck would talk that long with one eyed covered nationally?
Posted by: PF | Aug 8 2024 14:59 utc | 6
Zimbabwe is going to a gold-backed domestic currency (ZIG) as it proceeds along the de-dollarization process.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 15:19 utc | 7
stephen bryen did another article 2 days on the trump shooting… some might be interested…
Case Strengthens for a Second Shooter in Butler, PA
Posted by: james | Aug 8 2024 15:20 utc | 8
Why are trump and his followers so keen to avoid talking about his actual policys ?
Something to hide ?
Who dose he side with in the Middle East.
How many Palistinans need die ? In his view.
Whats Trumps plan regarding Iran or Venazuala ? Those Ameicans just love going after the oil dont they.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 15:38 utc | 9
@ Posted by: PF | Aug 8 2024 14:59 utc | 6
I don’t think it’s a matter of the elites communicating through televised steganography. Elites just have bad taste. So einfach ist das.
Posted by: fnord | Aug 8 2024 15:41 utc | 10
Looks like the Tim Walz honeymoon is now officially over before it started! The Minnesota National Guard is now saying that he has been lying for years, including during his political campaigns and in his official governor biography, about his NG rank. He may have temporarily been a Sergeant Major but failed to complete the required training and was demoted back to Master Sergeant, the rank he retired at.
Even from CNN “”Walz did make a comment speaking to a group, he’s done it a couple of times, where he has used language that has suggested that he carried weapons in a fighting situation,” said CNN correspondent Tom Foreman in a fact check. “As you know, with your contact with the military, I know from coming from a military family, there is a difference between being in a combat area, being involved at a time of war and actually being in a position where people are shooting at you. There is no evidence that at any time Governor Walz was in a position of being shot at, and some of his language could easily be seen to suggest that he was.”
He also claimed to be a veteran of the Afghan campaign when he was in fact in a base in Europe, he even held up a sign during a campaign with this claim. Lying about actually being in combat and lying about his rank, not a good look. Looks like Walz is going the same way of Vance. Even the men who served with him are coming out against him, smells of the Swift Boating candidate disaster – but this time based on facts (the Swift Boating of Kerry an actual war hero against Bush who got his daddy to keep him away from Vietnam was utterly disgusting). You just know that “bone spurs” Trump will be hypocritically all over this, as will “reporter at large playing soldier” Vance – just like Bush with Kerry.
I thought I had given up voting in the US, but it looks like I will post
one more big middle finger vote to the Establishment by pulling the Trump lever again.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Aug 8 2024 16:04 utc | 12
MOA ate my post. TL;DR: The Ukie ‘Kursk offensive’ is the rough equivalent of Germany’s ‘Battle of the Bulge’ offensive, which even if it met its planned operational goals could not have changed the outcome of the war- and it couldn’t achieve those.
Posted by: Honzo | Aug 8 2024 16:05 utc | 13
Harris should have chosen Mark Kelly, an actual proven combat veteran and astronaut who also came from humble origins. His wife was also shot and nearly killed by an assassin, and he retired to help with her recovery. Of Irish descent and son of two police officers.
Interestingly, his wife became a Reform Jew in 2001. This emphasizes the integration of Jews in to wider society, and half of the clergy is inter-married, as she is. After WW2 Reform Judaism, which had been against Zionism, aligned with Zionism in general but also held a very different view of what Israel should be, for example from the Reform Zionism platform:
“We, therefore, affirm Am Yisrael’s reassertion of national sovereignty, but we urge that it be used to create the kind of society in which full civil, human, and religious rights exist for all its citizens.”
In response to the Gaza genocide Kelly has stated ““Israel is our ally, which means we will stand by them when they are attacked. It also means we have a responsibility to state clearly that they must protect innocent lives.”
This is about as far as any Democrat may go without being destroyed by AIPAC, but may have been a bit too much for the Zionist donor class. Perhaps that is why what appeared to be a perfect candidate rapidly disappeared from the field? He wasn’t a craven enough Israel supporter.
Tearing down the third holiest site in the Muslim world, committing genocide and anally raping prisoners in front of other prisoners would not quite fit with Reform Judaism.
@fnord
I disagree
Trump tower alone is a shit tree full of symbols..
Posted by: PF | Aug 8 2024 16:27 utc | 15
@ Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 15:38 utc | 9
The GOP in general has to avoid substantive policy discussion because the policies they promote are vastly unpopular. Notice that despite Trump standing with his evangelical base on abortion bans, he seldom mentions this in public. They triangulate on issues like transgender healthcare because these effect so few people, and the effect is mainly felt by a portion of the population which is unpopular with a much larger portion of the population (transgender people have been the butt of jokes for decades, and evangelicals despise the notion that one can change the gender their deity “assigned” to us at conception).
The Democrats avoid policy discussion because they have nothing but the status quo to defend. The popular ideas are all on the left: Medicare for All, cannabis legalization, an end to mass spying and mass incarceration, reproductive and bodily autonomy. The liberals can at best half-heartedly defend these against assaults from the right, for example, fending off attempts to privatize Medicare (sometimes, some Demos are in favor of that, too), or asserting that one day when the time is right they’ll codify abortion rights. To their credit, the Democrats have taken aim at the Supreme Court, a massively unpopular institution whose self-serving doctrine of judicial supremacy has no basis in the Constitution and has done far more harm than good over the course of American history.
Posted by: fnord | Aug 8 2024 16:29 utc | 16
The Illiterate one strikes again with questions:
Why are trump and his followers so keen to avoid talking about his actual policys ?
Something to hide ?
–one could ask the same of the Dims
Who dose he side with in the Middle East.
–the Zionazis, same as the Dims
How many Palistinans need die ? In his view.
–all of them, same as the Dims
Whats Trumps plan regarding Iran or Venazuala ? Those Ameicans just love going after the oil dont they.
–neutralization and seizure of assets, same as the Dims
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 15:38 utc | 9
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 8 2024 16:38 utc | 17
A Gaza on our urban doorstep
https://fair.org/home/the-problem-is-theres-no-place-for-anyone-to-go/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEh095leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTrL5X9FeLhmOrSJ8mf030_QwkyXTOAdlUJa68D3rqiOiKBcThD9NuOgVA_aem_QVDzKWJg5ZA3Xe6lsSs_1w
Posted by: JAB | Aug 8 2024 16:39 utc | 18
Pechorin 2
The details are probably not as important as the goal behind the attempt… IMO, goal is probably to incite a mini civil war and enact even more emergency powers for the usual suspects
LoveDonbass 7
“The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that’s required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.”
Satoshi, 2009
Zimbabwe should just mint gold coins if they really want to go that route… again, it is a trust issue
Posted by: EJ | Aug 8 2024 17:01 utc | 19
@18 JAB
Jimmy Dore on the homeless crisis. Great quote from Kurt. “Just go and die.”
https://rumble.com/v59akhd-newsoms-brute-squad-descends-on-san-francisco-homeless.html
Take all their stuff which may have taken years to accumulate. What do next, resort to crime? Guess they can then be put in prison and turned into slave labor. Capitalism in action.
Homeless should get organized, choose hostile communities, and migrate there enmasse repeatedly.
Richard Wolff on capitalism’s failure.
https://rumble.com/v5a169x-this-is-whats-wrong-with-capitalism-w-prof.-richard-wolff.html
Master Slave
Lord Serf
Employer Employee
Posted by: Thurl | Aug 8 2024 17:04 utc | 20
Fnord @ l6
Thanks for your constructive reply.
————–
Malenkov @ 17
Your canvassing skills need improvement.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 17:07 utc | 21
Roger | Aug 8 2024 16:12 utc | 14
*** Interestingly, his wife became a Reform Jew in 2001.***
So not quite “Jewish” enough?
Nowadays, are the US public allowed any (potentially winning) candidate with no Jewish connections at all?
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 8 2024 17:22 utc | 22
Posted by: EJ | Aug 8 2024 17:01 utc | 19
##############
It is ironic for a crypto guy to lecture on trust. Suckers abound in the crypto space.
“The sucker’s trap is when you focus on what you know and what others don’t know, rather than the reverse.”
-Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 17:49 utc | 23
“You just know that “bone spurs” Trump will be hypocritically all over this, as will “reporter at large playing soldier” Vance – just like Bush with Kerry.
Posted by: Roger | Aug 8 2024 15:47 utc | 11″.
I don’t know. From what I’ve read, so far Trump appears to be shooting himself in the foot, refusing to debate Kameltoe & bitching moaning about his lead disappearing.
Posted by: Mary | Aug 8 2024 18:06 utc | 24
Trump’s so-called attempt assassination was fake since the very beginning – ironically despite all the theatrics black-asian Kamala Harris is leading in the polls and has a strong chance of winning the elections, of course; provided the elections are not cancelled and a civil war does not ensue.
Posted by: AI | Aug 8 2024 18:12 utc | 25
Paul Keating, once again, exposes the incompetence and vacuity of Australia’s current ‘leadership’.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/08/aukus-pact-will-turn-australia-into-51st-state-of-the-us-says-paul-keating
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 8 2024 18:48 utc | 26
Posted by: fnord | Aug 8 2024 16:29 utc | 16
Suggesting that the DNC is NOT a right-wing party on account of its stance on identity politics of the ultra-prog variety is the mark of the liberal shyster with socialist pretensions. The Democrats are to the right of Thatcher and Reagan and the most effective tool of the establishment to forestall any meaningful change to the current horror show on every level.
Instead of directly opposing any change of course the way the Republicans do, the Democrats pretend to care and furiously clutch their pearls, while championing the unfettered criminality of the oligarchy they serve. This is true on every issue, but their stance on Gaza and their support of the most murderous far-right regime on earth (after busting balls about bigots and far-rightists everywhere), that of the genocidal, racist Zionist appartheid state, dissolves any illusions for all but the willfully dishonest and deliberately misleading neoliberal slimebags.
Not a coincidence that the other resident shyster “Marks2”, the one who described the candidacy of Harris as “a step to the left”, agrees with you.
Now off you go to a pride parade sponsored by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
Posted by: Constantine | Aug 8 2024 19:01 utc | 27
Gold, bitchezz!
The UK’s Royal Mint has cut the ribbon on its Precious Metals Recovery factory, which extracts material from old Printed Circuit Boards (PCBs).
E-waste is a growing headache for the world and includes anything from end-of-life electronics to the contents of those boxes you can’t bear to part with. According to the Royal Mint, “It is often summarized as anything with a battery or a plug.”
Circa 50 million metric tons of e-waste are generated by Brits every year, a figure that is expected to reach a staggering 120 million tons by 2050, says the Royal Mint, which is the UK’s official producer of British coins.
This makes the 4,000 metric tons of e-waste which the Royal Mint says its “World First Precious Metals Recovery Factory” can process feel like a drop in the ocean. However, it is a start and focuses on pulling material from PCBs.
The Royal Mint says 99 percent of gold can be extracted from PCBs. Also recoverable on-site or through downstream processes are silver, palladium, copper, iron, aluminum, and tantalum.
Pulling gold from e-waste is not a new concept, but it has historically involved some rather energy-intensive processes. According to the Royal Mint, the UK facility uses a new method created by Canadian-based Excir, which works at room temperature and selectively targets gold within seconds.
The process can reportedly generate up to 450kg of gold from those 4,000 tons. The Royal Mint says the recovered gold would be used predominantly within its own line of sustainable jewellery, “but can be used across all gold products.”
As anyone faced with recycling obsolete computer equipment will attest, the amount of gold that can be extracted depends very much on the type of PCB involved.
More here: https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/08/uk_royal_mint_metals_pcbs/
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 19:04 utc | 28
“ Interestingly, his wife became a Reform Jew in 2001. This emphasizes the integration of Jews in to wider society, and half of the clergy is inter-married, as she is. After WW2 Reform Judaism, which had been against Zionism, aligned with Zionism in general but also held a very different view of what Israel should be, for example from the Reform Zionism platform:…”
Sorry, they’ve been playing both ends against the middle for so long I have absolutely zero trust that they aren’t part of a controlled opposition.
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 8 2024 19:14 utc | 29
Circa 50 million metric tons of e-waste are generated by Brits every year
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 19:04 utc | 28
How do 70 million people generate a fucking 50 million tons of e-waste every year? That’s close to a ton per person. I buy a new laptop once every 5-8 years and hardly have any other electronics.
Posted by: Michael A | Aug 8 2024 19:26 utc | 31
Patroklos | Aug 8 2024 18:48 utc | 26
I skimmed an article at ABC about. There was also something about Marls having signed a deal where US and UK “Naval nuclear material” could be moved into Australia….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 19:31 utc | 32
Constantine @ 27
Karen.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 19:17 utc | 30
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You obviously don’t know what a Karen is, but I guess you get props for at least spelling the term correctly.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 8 2024 19:33 utc | 33
How do 70 million people generate a fucking 50 million tons of e-waste every year? That’s close to a ton per person. I buy a new laptop once every 5-8 years and hardly have any other electronics.
Posted by: Michael A | Aug 8 2024 19:26 utc | 31
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I assume most of the waste is generated by businesses and government. And don’t forget that there are circuit boards in all newer cars and major appliances!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 8 2024 19:36 utc | 34
Don’t some of the best things suffer from copycats? You know I’ve never been into cRapto… (but B won’t allow me to use the B word here!)
Don’t the long suffering people of Zim deserve more than to be rug-pulled again and AGAIN… such defending of the poor, much wow!!
Their larger neighbour even has gold coins to use!!
(And before you cry “ but the poor can’t afford a whole krugerrand”, what is stopping them from holding krugerrands as small groups and communities?!)
Seriously, what is the point of a gold-backed digital currency? I think I’ve asked this here before , but all I get are insults , not ideas!!
Posted by: EJ | Aug 8 2024 19:39 utc | 35
If anyone’s interested the counter-revolution launched in the UK yesterday
7 August: fear changes sides as massive protests defy the far right
The far right had threatened to assault dozens of immigration and asylum services on Wednesday, but instead of pogroms, there was an explosion of anti-racist opposition to fascism and solidarity with migrants and Muslims.
In most places on the far right’s hit list, there was no racist presence at all. At others, a handful of bigots turned up to find hundreds or even thousands of anti-racists determined to repulse them.
Tens of thousands of anti-racists organised by Stand Up To Racism (SUTR) defied calls from politicians and cops to stay off the streets. Instead, they did the right thing and took command of their local areas.
https://socialistworker.co.uk/anti-racism/7-august-fear-changes-sides-as-massive-protests-defy-the-far-right/
and Esthablishment revisionism steps up ….
After every success, there’s a battle for interpretation and winning that battle is crucial after the stunning success of Wednesday’s anti-racist protests.
Across large parts of Britain, tens of thousands of people came out in response to a fascist threat to attack dozens of immigration welfare centres, law firms and refugee support organisations.
The far right was generally absent or cowered behind police lines.
It’s far from the end of the struggle, but it was such a triumph that no section of the media or politics could ignore it. But they have to deradicalise what happened.
They can’t tell the truth that the key role was played by anti-racist activists and mainly working class people who bravely took to the streets even when they were wary of being assaulted.
And at the organisational heart of that was Stand Up To Racism, many people who have marched for Palestine, and revolutionary socialists.
That is such a dangerous message for the mainstream—ordinary people can change politics through their own actions—that it has to be contested by those at the top.
https://socialistworker.co.uk/anti-racism/after-7-august-celebrate-anti-racists-not-cops-courts-or-politicians/
Posted by: Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36
Roger@11 sees combat experience in shooting at foreign people in their own country rather than defending ours is an essential qualification. It’s not clear why. Roger@14 see two police officers as superior characters. They may be individually but institutionally they are not “humble origins.” Police are literally hired to police the humble people.
fnord@16 maybe inadvertently endorses the position that the US Constitution is the final arbiter of all things decent. People who object to the 14th Amendment agree, so this needs clarification. I remember when people wanted to impeach Earl Warren. If anything, judicial review centered on revering the Constitution as sacred, a position often known as originalism or similar legal principles (also not in the Constitution,) is the crux of the problem. There is no guarantee of one man one vote, there is no doctrine of majority rule. This was not an accident. Judicial review as a bulwark against such notions of democracy will never be threatened by exalting the Constitution as a divine revelation. In my best judgment, of course.
But fnord@16 does not characterize the Democrats as left, as Constantine@26 falsely implies. Defending the status quo is not left, period. The notion that that the deplorable masses in the basket for woke are the left is not the charge made by a “liberal shyster with socialist pretensions.” It’s the charge made by the majority of conservatives, from Trump down. Condemnation of socialists and Marxists and Communists and Democrats all presume this. The content of this snarl is, yeah, Democrats are socialists and Marxists and Communists, which is insane if sincere and depraved if a conscious libel. Personally I don’t think social and cultural issues are best addressed with expanding state power and repression, the Republican program, is as ultimately futile as it is cruel, absent a determination to get bloody. The slogan, Out of the Boardrooms, Into the Bedrooms, simply does not move me.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 8 2024 19:41 utc | 37
https://www.rt.com/news/602327-scott-ritter-comments-fbi-raid/
Ritter also dismissed as “absurd in the extreme” the accusation that his articles and podcasts were “designed to manipulate the opinion of the American people on behalf of the Russian government.”
<=people are lined up at the Ritter Clinic for mind manipulation surgery, in spite of the fact that medical insurance will not cover the cost.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 8 2024 16:39 utc | 18
Posted by: Thurl | Aug 8 2024 17:04 utc | 20
Thank you for you link on the homeless very informative.. also I think if the government continues this abuse of the homeless, in time the homeless will arm themselves and become an army challenge government and destroying the homes of rich folks with big homes. I believe. Eventually they will rebel.
Posted by: Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36
https://socialistworker.co.uk/anti-racism/after-7-august-celebrate-anti-racists-not-cops-courts-or-politicians/
the key role was played by anti-racist activists and mainly working class people who bravely took to the streets even when they were wary of being assaulted.
And at the organisational heart of that was Stand Up To Racism, many people who have marched for Palestine, and revolutionary socialists.
That is such a dangerous message for the mainstream—ordinary people can change politics through their own actions—that it has to be contested by those at the top.
<= yes the same treatment different subject is happening in USA governed America. The homeless are evolving into an army likely to resist the governments
Posted by: snake | Aug 8 2024 20:01 utc | 38
Snake @ 38
Thanks for your contrabution on this subject, bang on target. A glipse into the near future.
The public silent majority are sanity and democracy.
Both US partys are riddled with curuption.
We kmow dat.
Time to look for construtive way’s forward.
Lets move on. Or it gets boring going around in four year circles, cycles.
Only the public can purge the israel /jew lobby groups in politics, media, law, universitys, military phamcutical ect.
Kudos.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 20:24 utc | 39
Posted by: Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36
Thanks for that. DunGroanin posted a similar message very early today to the same effect, albeit in a less linear fashion. It is very heartening to see. Any good news is desperately needed at this moment.
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 8 2024 20:47 utc | 40
UK barflies will have been rolling their eyes, watching a parade of assorted spooks, media assets and social media propagandists point the finger of blame at Russia as the root cause of the recent unrest on the streets.
The totality of this ‘evidence’ has been the ‘Russian linked’ Channel3Now website that erroneously named the murderer of three little girls at a Taylor Swift themed event in Southport as a recently arrived illegal Muslim immigrant called ‘Ali Al-Shakati who was known to both MI6 and the local mental health services.
Now the infamous stenographer Marianna Spring (the grandly titled BBC disinformation and social media correspondent) tells us:
“I did not find any evidence to substantiate claims that Channel3Now’s misinformation could be linked to the Russian state.”
The reality of course is that for most British people, they will remember this incident as ‘Russian disinformation’ regardless of the truth of the matter, just as most Western neoliberals still believe in the reality of Russiagate.
The widespread political/media demonising of X and Telegram in particular as the medium in which these ‘far right’ disturbances were allowed to spread suggests their possible banning before the year is out.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y38gjp4ygo
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 8 2024 21:01 utc | 41
Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36
So UK economy is thriving and mass immigration is required to fill job vacancies. Is that correct?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 21:09 utc | 42
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 8 2024 21:01 utc | 41
As a Brit I’ve been fascinated watching the demonisation of young, white, working class males as “Far-right thugs”. Traditionally, the elites have called upon this very same cohort to go and fight, and die, in whatever global confrontation is fashionable.
So what happens now? These “lads”, whom the MSM have been screechingly condemning, what happens when they are called upon to “Fight for the old cunt, fight for the old cunt, fight for the old cuntree”?
Two words, three effs would be my response if I was in their position.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2024 21:19 utc | 43
PeterAu1 @ 42
You cant blame the left for that we just had 12 years of tory rule. A virus and two wars. Complete with refugees from those tory wars.
We also had the true leader of the oposition party undemocratily ousted by israel lobbyists. Starmer is def not left.
As you know full well.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 8 2024 21:22 utc | 44
So UK economy is thriving and mass immigration is required to fill job vacancies. Is that correct?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 21:09 utc | 42
I don’t think that was his point. It is possible to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time. Should an immigration policy that is designed to drive down wages for the working class be ignored? No, its effects are real. But that doesn’t mean we should make a punching bag of the people who land on our shores because of the colonialism and neoliberalism of our elites.
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 8 2024 21:32 utc | 45
Just in time for Elexxion Season(TM)(R) they’re trotting out Russiagate again!
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/cia-ica-report-author-trump-russia-1235067814/
Ray McGovern has a piece up at Consortium News in which he writes (among a lot of other good recap):
Because Rawnsley [the aritcle’s author at] Rolling Stone didn’t tell us, it’s not clear how this “spear phishing message” provides “undeniable” proof that Russia was behind it. Consortium News has contacted Rawnsley to provide more detail to back up his assertion.
I hope he’s not holding his breath.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 21:39 utc | 46
Posted by: Roger | Aug 8 2024 15:47 utc | 11
At this point, I couldn’t care less about any political candidate’s real or imagined military experience unless they are someone like Tulsi Gabbard who is actually ANTI-war across the board as a result of their service.
Otherwise they are all chickenhawk hypocrites. And have we had a prominent pol in the past 50 years who actually went overseas to fight in wars, came back and became an anti-war activist or got elected and did whatever they could to thwart DC warmongering? That’s an honest question because other than Tulsi, I can’t think of any. (and I’m not her biggest fan on the Hindutva stuff either, FWIW)
Re: JD Vance, I think his Marine Corps service is more accurately described as a curated forward-deployed “tour of duty” in the Marines publicity office whose job it was to put a positive spin on the illegal activities of the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Which is as bad or worse as puffing up ones’ former rank, IMHO.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 21:48 utc | 47
As far as the Trump assassination attempt being faked goes-
So that by necessity means that the SS, FBI, DHS, and their ‘media’ assets were and are all in on it.
Makes sense-:)
Posted by: Robert | Aug 8 2024 21:57 utc | 48
Addendum: I may have been giving Gabbard too much credit. She’s still in the Army Reserves. Can’t imagine they allow openly anti-war ‘across the board’ members to serve.
Speaking of Gabbard, though, this is certainly frightening.
https://www.racket.news/p/american-stasi-tulsi-gabbard-confirms
Essentially – and Taibbi seems to intentionally misrepresent it, or lies by omission, “Open Skies” is a Trump era TSA-US Marshalls program that assigns individuals or teams to people who end up on a secret list and gang stalks them from point A to points B, C or D when traveling by air. Taibbi is catering to his largely RW and pro-Trump commentariat these days and of course Gabbard is the most high-profile case, added to the list under Biden/Harris. But the program was created when Trump was in office, around 2018/2019, giving force to the notion that no matter what political party holds the White House, it is incredibly rare that the next administration of the other party will cede powers and civil liberty destroying programs claimed or invented by the previous one. Obama, Trump and Biden are all perfect examples. Needless to say, when Trump wins in November, prominent people on “the left” will be added to the “Open Skies” stasi stalking program – unless it is trashed.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 22:05 utc | 49
@EJ 35
“Seriously, what is the point of a gold-backed digital currency? I think I’ve asked this here before , but all I get are insults , not ideas!!”
Taking that as a straight question and that the monetary concept accepted is along the lines of Mises/Austrian economic theory and ‘commodity as money’, or equally Islamic understanding, or other similar (there exist various other) :
The point is that gold backed digital currency is a claim on physical gold . So in a sense it is similar to settling trade in gold but with the advantage of digital accounting (the digital coin or currency).
Hence easier to calculate, no need to weigh, no need to carry physical gold around, co-ordinated transactions (same payment system) are just a few reasons for digital tokenisation of gold (or similar).
When physical storage is centralised (government or bank ) there is always the question of if it is still there, if it might be confiscated. When token issuance is made there is the question of if more token might be issued than there is gold. Both have occured throughout history (not infrequently) , particularly in the west.
A gold backed national digital currency might mean each unit of currency is eq. to say 1 gram of metal in storage. It might alternatively mean that as many units can be issued as chosen and each only having a share of existing metal. It might mean only that some gold is used to back the value of the currency. It might even change between those depending on who takes charge of the country.
Finally privacy, a centralised exchange will be able to track all digital activity in that currency. Even private gold digital currency is obliged to declare transactions.
Just various ideas for you – advantages and disadvantages.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 8 2024 22:12 utc | 50
Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36 …
Would that be the same alleged “left wingers” who totally failed to prevent the USA and Israelis from — as blatantly boasted by Mike Pompeo — not only declaring they would not allow a left-wing Prime Minister to be elected in Britain, but actually ensuring that did (could) not happen?
Now they claim they’ve won, against an absurdly widely dispersed gang of State false-flag fakes, violent but really representing nobody!
Supposed “leftists” who, other than with futile, obscure or even counter-productive slogans, have consistently seemed notably reluctant to attack stazi Starmer of the Trilateral Commission and WEF.
Why — would it be non-wokist or even allegedly anti-semitic to do so?
Or are such “leftists” also directed by State false-flaggers?
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 8 2024 22:35 utc | 51
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 8 2024 21:32 utc | 45 (or anyone in Britain)
I don’t know if you’re in Britain, but I was curious about one of the prevailing claims made by-and-about the demonstrations/protests/”race riots” in England. Namely, the complaint that there are two-tiered policing/justice and social service systems and that recent immigrants/refugees are given advantages in both not enjoyed by “white” native Englanders.
Is there any truth to this, and if so, how does it manifest in reality?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 22:56 utc | 52
For a break from the usual, “SOP: Reuters Exposes Massive USA Doping Violations: SOP=Standard Operating Procedure”, although admittedly not a 100% break since its deals with exceptionality and the usual Imperial lawbreaking.
Ornot 50
Thanks, a gold standard existed for a long time and then when a paper gold system evolved it quickly corrupted
“We are temporarily suspending the convertibility of the dollar into gold”
-Nixon ‘71
Personally, I see no reason to trust a digital gold system … it could actually prove much more efficient to corrupt
Posted by: EJ | Aug 8 2024 23:29 utc | 54
Black Agenda Report raises an excellent point on the riots in the UK.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/racists-riot-britain
So racism isn’t a factor? Then why…
While white Britain frets about people of color arriving at their doors, some 242,000 Ukrainians have arrived in the United Kingdom since 2022, a huge number to receive from one nation in a short period of time. No one suggested sending them to Rwanda or threatened their lives for the simple reason that they are white. The lack of anger directed at Ukrainians is proof that the anti-immigrant mania is racist in nature. A country that is no longer white refuses to let go of its past, which allowed white Britons to travel far and wide to exploit millions of other people who are then vilified if they choose to immigrate.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 23:33 utc | 55
Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36
So UK economy is thriving and mass immigration is required to fill job vacancies. Is that correct?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 8 2024 21:09 utc | 42
Yes, just like it is (establishment) required in the US. Never mind the millions of homeless and inner city inhabitants turning away from the ‘blue’ party.
My theory for both parties promotion of illegal immigration, in addition to lowering wages and conditions, is to disappear the vacancy rates, spiking rental housing prices in order to give a big boost to investment banks/hedge funds. Twelve million illegal aliens can move the market. At four per household that would be the demand creation of three million rental units in less than four years.
They allegedly own one out of every five single family homes in the US, with QE money having been lent at close to zero percent interest. Maybe someone with better financial knowledge could chime in. I would guess the same pattern repeats across the west.
‘Hate’ speech laws conveniently protecting the oligarchs from accurate depictions of their predations.
Anyone on the ‘left’ in favor of illegal immigration needs to check into a mental health facility for severe cognitive dissonance.
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 0:00 utc | 56
I first posted this on the Ukie thread by mistake so repost it here.
The western worlds liberal world order is what much of the world is now rejecting. The extremes of liberalism coupled to the so called neo-cons.
The liberal ideology is the destruction of societies and economies, the neo-con part is destruction of economies and forever wars.
All neatly packaged in one parcel of bullshit.
Both Russia and China have rejected the entirety of this parcel of bullshit and both are prospering – working peoples prosperity is constantly increasing.
A direct contrast to the collapsing western world.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 9 2024 0:02 utc | 57
Kelly just did a twitter struggle session to apologize for the crime of (check notes) quoting Winston Churchill.
Astronaut or not, another effete nu-male turd. So, yeah, perfect for the Democrats.
Posted by: W2 | Aug 9 2024 0:13 utc | 58
@EJ54
Yes, and central bank digital currencies all fall into that category also, they would allow outright manipulation of accounts if chosen – even the fact that that would be possible gives an edge to authority of whatever kind. Reducing and then banning cash use goes in that direction also.
There are countries that are gold backed still (I think) , but they have a history and so are more than centralised digital currency with gold. Even Switzerland bailed out into foreign stock (US) if I remember as the currency was becoming “too strong” .
In a sense, all currency apart cash is digital nowadays anyway. So the gold backed national digital currency is really just a promise of some kind that national accounting will actually be accountable in some way – which matters for countries that need to stabilise their reputation, so as to encourage investment for example, or to try to be able to try to ward off fear in the population of high inflation if need be.
Cash, metals, land, or other tangible assets are often considered much better than other kinds of claims (e.g. digital, stocks, etc.) , but each has its place maybe, or suits particular people better.
Some hate gold, blame it for everything, while others spend all day counting their money again and again, but there seems no need for any extremes.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 9 2024 0:15 utc | 59
Should an immigration policy that is designed to drive down wages for the working class be ignored? No, its effects are real. But that doesn’t mean we should make a punching bag of the people who land on our shores because of the colonialism and neoliberalism of our elites.
Posted by: KMRIA | Aug 8 2024 21:32 utc | 45
I’m wondering what you think of allowing scabs to cross picket lines?
Posted by: Honzo | Aug 9 2024 0:16 utc | 60
Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 23:33 utc | 55
*** No one suggested sending them [Ukrainians arriving in Britain] to Rwanda or threatened their lives for the simple reason that they are white. The lack of anger directed at Ukrainians is proof that the anti-immigrant mania is racist in nature. ***
No it isn’t. You and the Report both miss the highly significant fact that there was a *very* heavy pro-Kiev propaganda barrage throughout UK Establishment media and politics.
Plus a belief that once Ukraine won, they would go back there.
And while certainly less popular than when they arrived, the Ukrainians in general still benefit from the ongoing, intensive anti-Russia hate campaign in the UK.
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 9 2024 0:29 utc | 61
Tom Q Collins @ 52:
From the Irish Examiner:
Explainer: How has ‘two-tier policing’ myth in the UK become widespread?
Harris Sultan: Two Tier Justice?
I should think the situation in the UK is much more complicated than what appears in the UK national media, with certain incidents being selectively highlighted by some media outlets to gaslight both the police and immigrants / refugees from Third World nations, and politicians like Nigel Farage jumping on the headline bandwagon.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 9 2024 0:41 utc | 62
Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 23:33 utc | 55
*** The lack of anger directed at Ukrainians is proof that the anti-immigrant mania is racist in nature. A country that is no longer white refuses to let go of its past, which allowed white Britons to travel far and wide to exploit millions of other people who are then vilified if they choose to immigrate.***
So having been ruthlessly exploited by the Establishment rich in the days of industrial revolution and empire, the poorer non-establishment citizens of Britain are now being punished *a second time* via destruction of their identity, culture and living areas.
Which the pro-immigration, rich Establishment class again profits by….
But that’s ok, since the victims are white!
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 9 2024 0:42 utc | 63
Which is as bad or worse as puffing up ones’ former rank, IMHO.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 21:48 utc | 47
There are people who are groomed to power by the elites, like Obama, Vance, Ramaswamy and DeSantis. These are an investment by the ruling class to have the perfect creatures pre-deployed to exercise power regardless of what ideological obsessions are driving the American people. Then there are self-made prostiticians like Walz that need to be bought a bit at a time as the need arises. Either way, to have substantial power, it seems to be necessary to ‘make your bones,’ by committing some kind of crime of moral turpitude that the PTB can hang over their head. Like, for instance, marrying a pedophile transwoman, as per Micron. And, some would say, something along similar lines for Barrack and Big Mike. The third kind of politician is simply frozen out of office, if they can’t be bought and there’s no dirt on them, and if they squawk too much, they go to jail or die. Or both.
Tulsi Gabbard is an example Either of the first kind of grooming when it fails, which would explain her remaining in the guard as a kind of keeping her head down maneuver, OR she’s a deeper asset, ready to be ‘rehabilitated’ to capture the obviously growing anti-state, anti-corruption sentiment in the US when the time is right. There’s no doubt that she’s been groomed a la Vance and Obama, by the same people, but the project was aborted, at least in the visible realm, which just so happens to give her some street cred with the dissidents… hmmm…
I will note that that is a pretty common story, represented at the moment by controlled opposition like Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern, Judge Nap, Tucker Carlson, and, dare I say it, Scott Ritter. It’s possible that some of these individuals have had a sincere awakening- but they don’t demonstrate it. They rail against corruption and incompetence, but they really never go after any of the crucial props of the system.
I haven’t followed Tulsi very closely for a while, but the rest of them are only against particular wars, and can’t seem to imagine why the politicians keep starting them. If Tulsi is absolutely anti-war, then good on her, but I haven’t heard her calling for an expropriation of the big bourgeoisie.
Posted by: Honzo | Aug 9 2024 0:44 utc | 64
“ When physical storage is centralised (government or bank ) there is always the question of if it is still there, if it might be confiscated.”
Are you kidding? At least every US citizen is secure in the knowledge that all our gold is safe and very dusty in good old Fort Knox.
At least the last time we checked in … 1974.
Hey, we were busy ya know!
/sarc
Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 9 2024 0:46 utc | 65
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 23:33 utc | 55
Perhaps because UKrainians are actual refugees from a real ongoing war? Consisting mostly of women and children. Num nuts.
In the US about 95% of the illegals are male. Almost all come from not at war countries and are here as illegal economic migrants. I would bet that it is similar in the UK, with an additional minority mix of eastern Europe.
I believe you are a reverse racist for even suggesting that protesting against a blatant HATE CRIME is racist itself (hypocrite). After all the liberal brain washed sicko did not attack fellow Rwandan males did he? He hates young euro females and you indirectly defend a vile sexist, racist killer. How old was he? He wanted sex, attain notoriety and brutalized innocents up to the societal level. What kind of a craven coward defends someone like that by falsely playing the race card?
It was a TERRORIST ATTACK
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 0:47 utc | 66
FakeBelieve @ 41:
Would Marianna Spring mentioned in your comment be the same Marianna Spring who lied on her CV that she worked with BBC colleague Sarah Rainsford during the 2018 FIFA World Cup tournament in Moscow and got caught out during her job interview?
BBC’s disinformation correspondent and chief fact-checker Marianna Spring is accused of lying on her CV by falsely claiming to have worked with a Beeb journalist when applying for a job in Moscow
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 9 2024 0:51 utc | 67
@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 22:05 utc | 49
Tulsi Gabbard: “When it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk,” but “when it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” She is not anti-war, just differs on tactics and targets. She is also Hindutva and quite Islamophobic, so you can imagine who she defines as terrorists (not the Zionist type). Labelled pro-Palestinian demonstrators as “Islamic puppets”. What a wonderful woman!
Hindutva believers flock together with Zionists like a moth to a light. Her guru is an uber Islam-hating bigot, and she fully supports Indian Hindutva leader Modi.
“Anti-War” Crusader Tulsi Gabbard Goes Full Mask Off In Hate Filled Rant
@ jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 0:47 utc | 66
maybe this 17 year old had some serious mental health issues… a person doesn’t have to be any particular colour or race to have this.. it seems that an element of those who are expressing their hostility in the uk are indeed focused on the issue of immigration and coincidentally on islam…. maybe this has been cultivated by the uk politicians the past 20 years?? when you are supportive of war in iraq, libya, syria and etc. etc. – it is likely you will get a number of war refugees, if they are still alive and able to get out of the same countries where they have been bombed.. now whether that is a coincidence or not, tom link makes a good point as i see it… those who are opposed to immigration are very select in who they want or don’t want as i read and hear of it from the likes of tommy robinson anyway..
Posted by: james | Aug 9 2024 1:04 utc | 69
Whith Kursk’s caper and so many other things happening, I was reminded that before WWII started in earnest it was called a “dróle de guerre”, a phony war. Right now it feels like a “dróle de paix” a phony peace.7
Any take on that?
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 1:12 utc | 70
Posted by: Roger | Aug 9 2024 0:57 utc | 68
Thanks for setting the record straight. How interesting, then, that she’s been made a target while she seems just fine with the Israeli variety of terrorism. The USA is flailing on so many issues and Empire is wobbling. Can’t expect consistency from anyone or anything anymore.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 9 2024 1:27 utc | 71
/hop, hop, hop, big hop, turns and picks up bottlecap, spread-legged hop, hop, hop, off
😀
/blottlecap falls out
Political silly season is in full bore. 😉
I don’t look for immaculate paragons in my leaders, just for those right now who advance our flock in the right direction. 🙂 But that’s during the migration seasons. Otherwise we do as we please once we return to familiar nesting sights.
You humans have a lot more involved, like finding out who is holiest… or is that holey-est? ^.~ I made a ‘punny’.
I’d worry about immediate problems first and the proposals to solve them. Then see who is proposing such solutions. But then you have a lot of liars, too. Best of luck!
/picks up bottlecap to play more hopscotch
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 9 2024 1:30 utc | 72
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 0:47 utc | 66
You have no idea WTF you’re talking about. The perpetrator in question was a 2nd generation CHRISTIAN from some African country, not an Islamic terrorist. If you have to base your arguments on lies, it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously.
And the Ukrainians fleeing a war, mostly women and children? LMAO – Sure buddy if you say so. Don’t see too many wimminz n chillun in this picture of Ukrainians fleeing the war.
HERE
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 9 2024 1:30 utc | 73
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 0:47 utc | 66
In the US about 95% of the illegals are male. Almost all come from not at war countries and are here as illegal economic migrants. I would bet that it is similar in the UK, with an additional minority mix of eastern Europe.
Cite your source for the 95% male claim. Most of the “illegal economic migrants” in the US are indeed fleeing wars. Economic wars waged by the US government on their home countries like Venezuela and US gang members born in the US being expatriated to those countries where they form barbaric criminal gangs and make life hell for the rest of the people.
In the UK, if you’re talking about Muslim migrants, they are fleeing other wars and sanctions that NATO has wrought on their homelands. The ones from Pakistan and India who have been there longer were simply moving their families around within Britain’s racist empire.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 9 2024 1:34 utc | 74
Posted by: Honzo | Aug 9 2024 0:44 utc | 64
Fair and interesting contentions. I will differ with you on Scott Ritter, though. After having his passport confiscated in April or May, his house was raided yesterday by the FBI and all of his electronics confiscated. He stands accused of being an agent of a foreign government (likely Russia or Iran given his anti-Zionist takes and willingness to question the NATO proxy war on Russia via Ukraine).
I can’t see any future scenario where Ritter is “rehabilitated” and allowed back into the establishment fold.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 9 2024 1:38 utc | 75
So having been ruthlessly exploited by the Establishment rich in the days of industrial revolution and empire, the poorer non-establishment citizens of Britain are now being punished *a second time* via destruction of their identity, culture and living areas.
Which the pro-immigration, rich Establishment class again profits by….
But that’s ok, since the victims are white!
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 9 2024 0:42 utc | 63
Please read the whole article and not just the excerpt if you’re going to form strong opinions on it and then vent. It’s simply amazing that the same MoA commentariat who had extremely vocal statements on the George Floyd protests which led to looting and burning of buildings are suddenly very empathetic when the same thing happens in Britain. Very interesting. So is it “OK because they’re white” when rioters burn businesses and trash neighborhoods?
And you miss the point like a lot of the rioters. You are correct and righteous in your anger that the UK has been gutted and opened up to a huge new supply of cheap labor from other non-English countries (although many are from former Imperial colonies). But why direct the anger at innocent shop owners and families and not march or riot in the City of London or at UK government buildings in London? That’s your real enemy, not some Muslim or Hindu selling falafel.
Here’s some more from Black Agenda Report that may addresses some of your concerns:
There should be no war except class war. The people taking to the streets should turn their anger onto the rich who control British politics. But even the allegedly leftist Labour party which is again in power engages in weasel words instead of working on behalf of the people. Then again new prime minister Keir Starmer was acceptable to the rulers because he purged the left from his party. Having curried favor with the people at the top who are responsible for poverty and austerity, he will not now name the beast that he helped to create.
Instead they choose what they see as easy targets. But again, it’s OK if you’re white and mad that your country is “suddenly” full of brown Muslims and such.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 9 2024 1:45 utc | 76
As somewhat of a sequel to his discussion with Richard Wolff, Dr. Hudson talked with Ben Norton about the Black Monday event, what drove it, and what’s the likely destiny for Neoliberal economies. Hudson’s really been on a roll over the last several weeks. This performance isn’t up at his site yet, but it can be read here.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 9 2024 0:41 utc | 62
Thanks. I watched Harris Sultan’s video and he comes across as Hindutva and very biased against Muslims. So I looked into him and he’s an “ex-Muslim atheist activist and influencer.” Hmmm….
But I agree with your main point. The situation is probably a lot more nuanced at the end of the day despite the reality that in fact Muslim and Indian businesses were targeted and damaged, even if that represents a minority of the “action” over the past week.
I’ll stand on my earlier statement that these people – on the basis of a stabbing committed by a 2nd generation African immigrant born to a Christian family – are turning their rage on the wrong people and should be marching on London or at the local party headquarters (Tories primarily and then Labour). Those are the people responsible for the situation in the UK, not everyday non-white 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation legal immigrants.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 9 2024 1:54 utc | 78
@ karlof1 comment # 77 with the Michale Hudson link…thanks
Just done with a read and want to provide a quote from it
We have an oligarchy, not a government that puts the economic growth of the economy first.
So the financial sector had sort of established these symbiotic linkages, with real estate, and insurance, and monopolies, and mining companies, producing natural resource rent, and, as I said, all of this is a subtrahend from the real economy. And that’s why the real economy’s been shrinking.
So all of this focus on the stock market, as if, when President Biden, and Paul Krugman, says, “How can they complain that the economy is looking bad? Look at how well the stock market’s been doing”. Well, all of this is saying, “Look at how well the 1% has been doing; forget about your 99% of the population”.
Maybe you’ll win the lottery, and maybe you can join the 1%. But you’re not going to make it by being part of the industrial economy, making wages.
Well, that’s the great blind spot in Western society. And the blind spot is to imagine that the failure that we’ve had in productivity and living standards to rise can be solved by a purely financial solution.
As I said, all that the government can do is bail out the losers, and it’s only going to bail out its own campaign contributors, the donor class, and the politically connected financial sector.
It’s not going to bail out the population as a whole; it’s not going to bail out the pension funds; it’s not going to bail out the indebted economy of homeowners and consumers, who are trying to break even.
They’re looked at as the collateral damage of the financialized economy.
I had to look up
subtrahend. noun. sub·tra·hend ˈsəb-trə-ˌhend. : a number that is to be subtracted from another number.
If we could just get Michael’s message out to the broader public that is getting so screwed.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 2:41 utc | 79
@Tom_Q 52
“Namely, the complaint that there are two-tiered policing/justice and social service systems and that recent immigrants/refugees are given advantages in both not enjoyed by “white” native Englanders.
Is there any truth to this, and if so, how does it manifest in reality?”
Yes is the answer, but it depends in what context, and there are many, because circumstance is always complex. What I have studied and have close experience of is the deeper history of the ‘national character’. That is why you see me write of UK as a colonial reality. This goes back to before naturalisation and any recognisable form of immigration. The structure of Anglo Saxon conquest was of subjecting the population as loyal by the privilege of being born in the territory of the (new) rulers. The hierarchy through dynasties remained so until this century even. So I could give examples of people who were of British nationality, from families who had always been British, having their children refused nationality, and those being left stateless abroad, for having been born abroad. Of families denied entry to UK because UK had signed in EU law denying exit of Schengen without nationality documents. Of being denied even of importing their families to UK as animals. This while tens or hundreds of thousands entered UK ilegally, were supported and then naturalised after five years. Those concerned do not resent the privilege given to immigrants, they are just so disgusted that they cannot but look on UK as some kind of abomination.
I am not talking of disorganised people or for example travellers , I am talking of registered legally active people with the will and means to arrange, who have devoted much to resolving their circumstance.
At times, and I forget where, I have seen it written that the British often have a side to their character which is the result of the above reality, a kind of inability to accept the incongruity of their status. Then again, the Brits were always quite a wild lot, at least originally apparently. The same though is visible in other societies. I know the Spanish well , it would always be about ‘the moors’ (and half joking) , the history of recognising ‘pure blood’ and legiance after conquest is well documented, when in fact there is a lot of moorish/Berber (or even earlier autoctonous) descent visible. Excessive forms of nationalism seem to descend from excessive forms of “progessivist” policy and meet them on partly synthetic grounds, often infiltrated or co-opted by outside synthetic extremes. Even the nationalist dictatorship was reply to costly communist rebellion and left orientsted constitutional subversion, that itself being counter monarchical for certain, maybe understandable, reasons.
Reading through nationality law and history helps understand this from an academic viewpoint, experiencing it in reality is something very different.
Anyway, maybe more important is how this colonial or post-colonial reality manifests across the world, it helps explain levels of privilege and interaction with other would be colonialists, or forms of co-operation between those that are in some way extreme or absolutist, between those who would take profit from any managerial role. In reality the sensations experienced in that world are either unsettling or vile. It is one reason I favour minimalist traditionalist forms of society, because what counts makes sense in those. Even regarding UK shortcomings – in europe for example, I know the difficulties I describe above would not have occured without EU, because I know the order of responsibility and resolution between countries that existed before EU was ‘implemented’ , having lived in various countries before they joined.
A confusing world, but I hope that goes towards answering your question some.
Late – won’t be replying.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 9 2024 3:16 utc | 80
Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
China releases first homegrown PC operating system featuring AI
the quote
This photo taken on Aug. 8, 2024 shows a scene at the 2024 China Operating System Industry Conference in Beijing, capital of China. (2024 China Operating System Industry Conference/Handout via Xinhua)
BEIJING, Aug. 8 (Xinhua) — Chinese company Kylinsoft launched the first AIPC version of its Kylin operating system at the 2024 China Operating System Industry Conference in Beijing on Thursday.
This is the country’s first homegrown operating system for personal computers that is integrated with artificial intelligence (AI), bridging a gap in the development of edge-side inference capabilities in China’s operating system industry.
The operating system serves as the foundation of a computer, linking upper-level software ecosystems with underlying hardware resources and providing essential support for running AI algorithms, models and applications.
…
A major highlight of the AIPC version of the Kylin operating system is its edge-side inference capability. This feature allows for deep integration of hardware and software, enabling users to run complex AI tasks locally without relying on cloud resources. This advancement not only boosts data processing speed and security but also fundamentally transforms the way users interact with computers.
Zhu Chen, vice general manager of Kylinsoft, said that the advancement in edge-side inference capabilities offers robust support for integrating homegrown operating systems with AI technology. It allows for the development of a highly efficient edge-side intelligent engine within the homegrown operating system, capable of performing large model inference, even offline.
Meanwhile Apple is buying back its stock to keep the price up instead of investing in the next generation of computer devices.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 3:53 utc | 81
Black Agenda Report raises an excellent point on the riots in the UK.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 8 2024 23:33 utc | 55
In addition, Euro countries prospered as a result of the theft of resources the and slavery of black and brown peoples, payback is long overdue.
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 3:56 utc | 82
from simplicius tonight.. interesting rumour – may or may not be true…
“Now suddenly, we get this uncorroborated report:
🇮🇷🇷🇺”In the past few hours, Russian and Iranian military cargo and transport planes were spotted heading to Syria, loaded with advanced weapons. An important development that could reshape the military landscape in the region.” – Syrian media reports
It looks like they managed to really upset Putin with the attack on Kursk, Russian advanced weapons are going into the hands of Hezbollah
The reason all this dovetails in intriguing fashion is that Putin may have finally chosen to ‘escalate’ asymmetrically against the U.S. in light of the attacks on Kursk.”
Posted by: james | Aug 9 2024 4:01 utc | 83
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 0:47 utc | 66
In the US about 95% of the illegals are male. Almost all come from not at war countries and are here as illegal economic migrants. I would bet that it is similar in the UK, with an additional minority mix of eastern Europe.
Like Venezuelans suffering as a results of US sanctions? F**k the US, I hope they pay for their sins.
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 4:02 utc | 84
What goes around comes around.
The rest of the world is sick of subsidising western mass murder and gratuatous greed.
Those far right scum should be attacking the elite not inocent victems of the elite.
No one is illegle.
The far right ‘enjoy’ violence, end of story.
All the rest is bull shit.
Pain is comming their way.
Karma.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 9 2024 4:23 utc | 85
@ james | Aug 9 2024 4:01 utc | 83 with the speculation about advanced Russian weapons going to Hezbollah
I am good with that but why not Hamas as well?
Lots of talk now of ceasefire by West to start on 12th and I would cringe if the axis of resistance did not respond militarily to the latest assassinations before agreeing to such.
I read the axis of resistance wanting a structural end to this conflict and a ceasefire is not likely because it doesn’t solve anything structurally.
I go back to saying that what we are seeing is a civilization war with various factions defending their existential existence as a grouping of people/nation not God Of Mammon homogenized slave plantations.
Death of the God Of Mammon private class form of social organization is on the horizon because they can’t sustain it with Might-Makes-Right and when compared to public finance led countries the West looks downright sinfully ugly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 4:30 utc | 86
Like Venezuelans suffering as a results of US sanctions? F**k the US, I hope they pay for their sins.
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 4:02 utc | 84
Funny, every single Venezuelan I have ever met hated, with a passion, Chavez and Maduro, and thought they absolutely destroyed Venezuela. Not the US and/or sanctions. And were grateful to live in the US. How about that reality?
And the recent immigrants are treated so well here that they literally are clamoring to get in. IIRC about 10% of recent illegals are Venezuelans.
You use the vulgar and yet appeal to the religious.
Cognitive dissonance on your part buddy. How about starting with your own sins? Pay for those first, then get back to everyone else in a few lifetimes.
Personally I do not think the sanctions are good for the Venezuelan or American people or the world, in general. My understanding is that the Texas refineries were designed for the V. heavy crude. Expensive energy hits lower income people disproportionately. The majority of the people there are very poor, if they want to come here legally, they can do so. Many have because, in their words “F**k Chavez””F**k Maduro”.
Personally, I am a political atheist.
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 4:39 utc | 87
Let me also repeat that while my guess of the end of July for a civilization war climax was wrong but I still believe that that some sort of military climax will happen in Ukraine, Occupied Palestine or both before November.
I see a military event (series/group/whatever) happening that results in the end of military aggression by the West…..before November.
There will not be a pivot to China by the West because all those issues are being fought about right now….and will be resolved and not put on hold anymore, IMO.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 4:41 utc | 88
The person who originaly started the roumour, that the UK Stockport stabber was Mouslem, was a married women living in england in a house worth one and half million £.
The far right scum bags are the true gullable fools being manipulated by the elite.
Said scum then project their gullabilty onto the left.
Elite led Mc Cathyite oppression of the working class.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 9 2024 4:43 utc | 89
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 9 2024 4:43 utc | 89
From the Palestinian Crinicle:
“At the center of the ongoing racist riots that are taking place in the United Kingdom is the anti-Muslim campaigner Tommy Robinson. He contributed to sharing a made-up Muslim name for a 17-year-old British-born Christian who stabbed 3 children to death in an area called Southport, claiming that he was an asylum seeker.
Tommy Robinson offers the following opening explanation for the racist anti-immigrant riots:
‘Why are people angry? I’ll tell you why they’re angry – Cos’ Hamas were allowed to overtake London. Over take our capital city. Every week flying ISIS flags, Hamas flags. Calling for Jihad. The police did nothing. Nothing. Instead they arrested me.”
He then went on to say that “your actions in the last three weeks or since October 7th, you’ve created thousands of Tommy Robinsons”.
This comes from a man who was taken on an Israeli military tour, posed for photos in Israeli army t-shirts and on top of tanks operating on occupied territory, he even once remarked that he would fight in a war for Israel. But why is the self-described “English patriot” so obsessed with making every issue about Israel and October 7?
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/anti-muslim-crimes-israels-hand-in-instigating-the-racist-uk-riots/
Posted by: Menz | Aug 9 2024 5:02 utc | 90
Posted by: Red Star | Aug 8 2024 19:40 utc | 36
I hear “Stand Up To Racism” movement is another Zionist group.
https://globalwomenstrike.net/why-doesnt-stand-up-to-racism-stand-up-to-the-racism-against-palestinians/
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2024 5:04 utc | 92
Menz @ 90 totaly agree.
Yaxly lennon aka tommy robinson is an opotunist.
Inciting violence and criminal activity is not free speech.
Respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 9 2024 5:14 utc | 93
Posted by: james | Aug 9 2024 1:04 utc | 69
Considering a crazed, sexist, racist, blood thirsty pyscho killer as someone who has mental health issues could be considered a serious mental health issue.
Condemn the extremist pyscho left wing promoted hate crimes!
He targeted twenty five 6-12 year old European girls, led by two women. An obvious TERRORIST HATE CRIME.
Say their NAMES:
Bebe King, aged six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, aged seven, Alice Dasilva Aguiar, aged nine
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hero-dance-teacher-wounded-trying-102154864.html?guccounter=1
If he had done this to a group of any other humans of whatever shade of brown, it would be equally as heinous. But it did not go to a mosque, or a refugee center, or the local hood…it targeted a specific race.
I do not know anything about “Tom” or “Tommy”, heard he is funded and linked with Zianists so racism is in their blood sacrifice supremacist ideology. Gazan residents are current victims of grand standing brutish creatures made of clay with no soul atrocities. Goyimists.
“Tom” the racist said that the protests did so selectively. My observation is that UKrain have an active ongoing war and are true war refugees. I would bet the vast majority of the Pakistanis, Indian, Chinese, Jamaicans, Bengladesh, North Africans, Sub Saharan Africans, south Americans immigrated to the RACIST (sarcasm) UK when there was no war going on.
His whole premise is totally false, he is a race baiting azhat.
Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 9 2024 5:54 utc | 94
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“physical principles” doesn’t quite make sense; “principles of physics” doesn’t either. I wonder what the Russian is.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 9 2024 4:03 utc | 84
One suspects that you’re assessing at it from a practical point of view. I’m assessing it from a wishful thinking perspective. i.e. wishin’ n hopin’ that someone will find a way to use electromagnetism and/or magnets to overcome or exploit Gravity in the service of propulsion.
There’s lots of weird stuff going on at the sub-atomic level.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 9 2024 7:33 utc | 95
In case you missed it.
Stand Up For Racism is now promoting Zionism.
“After the speakers, the march set off for Downing Street when we saw that most of the placards were SUTR’s and Weyman Bennett, SUTR convenor, was at the front stewarding. He said “I’m in charge”.
Together with an IJAN (International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network) member, we spoke with people letting them know that SUTR was an organisation that promoted groups representing Israel’s apartheid state. Most dropped the SUTR placards or tore off SUTR lettering, horrified that those in charge of the march have been undermining the Palestinian movement. How did this happen? SUTR has no business leading an anti-racism march or operating under the name Black Lives Matter”.
https://globalwomenstrike.net/why-doesnt-stand-up-to-racism-stand-up-to-the-racism-against-palestinians/
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2024 7:52 utc | 96
Erdogan – on blocking Instagram due to ‘digital fascism’:
Social media companies have gone into decline. They have literally become militant. They feel it is their duty to immediately censor even a simple sentence that criticizes Israel. We are faced with a digital fascism that cannot tolerate even pictures of Palestinian martyrs and immediately bans them, promoting this as “freedom.”
These companies, which promote all kinds of immorality, prostitution and support for terrorist organizations as part of freedom, have openly declared war on the glorious resistance of the Palestinian people and their heroic children in the virtual world. At this point, we have personally witnessed how social media companies act like a mafia in everything that affects their interests. Lies, provocation and incitement have become the most prominent features of those platforms.
from https://t.me/infodefENGLAND/22743
Posted by: Fred | Aug 9 2024 8:34 utc | 97
What is Ukraine’s goal in the Battle for Kursk? https://www.intellinews.com/what-is-ukraine-s-goal-in-the-battle-for-kursk-337641/
Let’s Go Brenda and Walz Are The Real Nutcracker Suite https://shorturl.at/hRkQk
Protesters force four Bangladeshi central bank’s deputies to resign https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/protesters-force-four-bangladeshi-central-bank-s-deputies-to-resign-124080701854_1.html
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Aug 9 2024 8:41 utc | 98
I tend to think it’s a waste of time and energy to try and convince a racist that his racism has no other solid basis than his utter ignorance or bad faith. He ou she needs racism the same way the junkie needs his fix and the soak needs to get hammered. It makes him/her feel better about him/herself for at least a short time.
In French we use to say you can’t make a donkey drink when it’s not thirsty, which I’m sure you understand since it’s cognate in other languages.
Using news stories is a common technique used by the far right to justify racism and arouse fear. But this is done out of pure opportunism, by selecting crimes committed by people of immigrant background, preferably people of colour, and ignoring crimes committed by white people. This selection has even become their one and only fuel, because the discourse that immigrants are stealing white people’s jobs is no longer relevant. Most of the white working class (throughout the West) have given up class warfare for short-term pleasures, illusions of comfort and the belief that they are too good for the dirty jobs and can do better or at least as well as the reality TV people they’ve been watching for years, who look exactly like them and do well with minimal effort. But when harsh reality comes knocking on the door, they blame it on the black dude. Or the Muslim.
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 9 2024 9:02 utc | 99
video report by scott ritter about the raid, the unusual search warrant in relation to FARA, on free speech and a free press etc.
https://scottritter.substack.com/p/a-video-response-to-the-fbi-raid
Posted by: Fred | Aug 9 2024 9:18 utc | 100