Israel Starts Ethnic Cleansing In West Bank
The Anglo-American colonial project in Palestine has launched another war to remove the indigenous population from its land.
Israel launches major operation in West Bank; Palestinian officials say 9 killed - Washington Post
TEL AVIV — Israel launched a major operation in multiple cities in the West Bank on Wednesday involving hundreds of troops.The troops were sent in with air support and bulldozers, according to an Israeli military official speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive military operation. Eyewitnesses cited drones scanning the skies and armored personnel carriers carrying troops on the ground.
The Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet, the country’s internal security service, announced in a brief joint statement they were launching a counterterrorism operation in Jenin and Tulkarm. Operations were also reported in al-Fara’a refugee camp, near Tubas. At least nine Palestinians have been killed since midnight, the Health Ministry in Ramallah said. Seven were taken to a hospital in Tubas and two to a hospital in Jenin, it said.
Since June 1967, when the Zionist launched a war against its Arab neighbors, it has illegally occupied the West Bank and Gaza.
Today Israel's foreign minister Israel Katz tweeted in Hebrew (machine translation):
ישראל כ”ץ Israel Katz @Israel_katz - 4:42 UTC · Aug 28, 2024 The IDF is working intensively from tonight in the Jenin and Tulkarm refugee camps to thwart Islamic-Iranian terrorist infrastructures that have been established there. Iran is working to establish an eastern terrorist front against Israel in the West Bank, according to the Gaza and Lebanon model, by financing and arming terrorists and smuggling advanced weapons from Jordan.We must deal with the threat just as we deal with the terrorist infrastructure in Gaza, including the temporary evacuation of Palestinian residents and whatever steps are required. This is a war for everything and we must win it.
In the Gaza strip the colonial army has pushed the 2 million plus surviving Palestinians into an area of less than 15 square kilometer. It continues bombing them. Any building beyond has ben raised. The obvious aim there is to push the whole population into Egypt's Sinai desert and to provide their land to illegal settlers.
A similar project has now started in the West Bank. The Zionists plan to raze it to then push its Palestinian population across the river into Jordan.
There is little support the Palestinians can count on. The 'western' world is supporting the Zionist entity with all it has. The U.S., Germany and others provide it with a steady stream of weapons and ammunition. The Arab world is mostly silent. Turkey provides the Zionist entity with oil stolen from the Kurdish regions in Iraq. Egypt has expanded its economic ties with Israel by becoming a way station for imports to that country.
The axis of resistance, a mixed agglomeration of irregular forces in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen - nurtured by Iran - is the sole external force that is willing to intervene.
But the axis had so far be careful to not give a cause for a U.S. intervention against itself. Hezbullah in Lebanon has settle one of its conflict accounts with Israel. As Alastair Crooke in a talk with Judge Napolitano (vid) quoted here by Yves Smith, provides:
[6:40] What we have seen is the war fragmenting in different ways. First of all, it fragmented with the killing of Fuad Shukr in Beirut just before Haniyeh was killed in Tehran. And for that reason, the actual operations of the Resistance changed. Because as far as Hezbollah was concerned, the killing of Fuad crossed all red lines, all the understandings, the careful balances were broken by that. And they opened a separate account, quite separate to what was happening in Gaza. And they opened a separate account.And so what happened in this weekend was about settling that account with Israel. And it stuck very carefully to the equation, the war equations, that they had between Israel and Hezbollah. The didn’t go out of the equations. So if you like they attacked in Tel Aviv the Mossad headquarters and the headquarters of 8200, equivalent roughly to NSA in the US, if you like, it’s the communications intercept. Because that was the decision-making if you like structure that led Fuad Shukr’s killing in Beirut. And they did in Tel Aviv because they killed him in Beirut. There was a complete equivalence if you like in that.
Hezbollah and Israel have settled the account over the killing of Fuad Shukr. But the accounting for the Zionist war against Palestine is not yet finished.
The operation also created deterrence against further Zionist attacks on leaders of the resistance:
“Hezbollah’s” response of missiles and drones early yesterday morning in Israeli territory, specifically in the central area of Tel Aviv, is significant because it means that Israeli operations to kill leaders of resistance groups in Lebanon, Palestine, and Yemen will now be met with a prompt and effective response. Furthermore, these operations have come to incur substantial costs.
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Efforts by the Israeli entity to cover its growing number of defeats and failures through fabrications and forgeries are no longer effective, as resistance groups are exposing them on the ground through precise counteractions.
Iran, which still has to revenge the recent killing of Hamas leader Haniyeh in Tehran, will make a similar calculation. Its upcoming operation against Israel related to the Haniyeh case will be separate from its defense of Palestine's rights and population.
That defense will continue until all rights of the Palestinian, including the right to return to their land, are restored.
Posted by b on August 28, 2024 at 10:19 UTC | Permalink
next page »Now it’s no longer a Gaza /philistine business anymore.
West Bank is a much broader group with direct family in a lot of countries in the area.
I bet Jordan is not amused…
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 28 2024 10:39 utc | 2
More like Israel continues ethnic cleansing, b. Their style doesn't make sense as an operation against Hamas, only as one to drive all Arabs out of the occupied territories.
And the continued boast about the axis of resistance is looking very weak, particularly after Haniyeh. If the global south had any influence over "global" justice, Israel would be under judgment at the ICJ. China and India are reluctant to upset their trade with the United States, at least until that isn't avoidable.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 28 2024 10:41 utc | 3
Some days ago I wrote a prediction here, that (unless iran/hezbollah intervened) in 1 year Palestine would be "just a bunch of camps"
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 10:30 utc | 1
That's hardly new. It's been predicted for 57 years since 1967, perhaps more but certainly since 67. The only question is whether it's one year or any other figure.
The West Bankers are not going to depart; so they'll have to be genocided by Israel. I couldn't say whether there will be interventions, but the whole western-organised international system is at risk of collapsing, if it's regarded as OK to simply genocide peoples.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 10:57 utc | 4
https://www.rt.com/news/603170-fyodor-lukyanov-arrest-of-durov/
The global Structures that operate transnationally (logistical chains and internationalized freedom of the press ) are at odds with nation state control over trade, production, information and propaganda. Why should, and how should, a global multi-national structure maintain its loyalty to a particular nation state when its audience, its customer base, its very livelihood comes from outputs provided by or produced in specific nation states? The inputs required to deliver a international product to the global audience and global customer transcends the capacity of, and violates the legal and political interest of some nation at nearly all times. All nations want to control outputs that end up as inputs to the international structure but the customers and audiences of all nations demand and clamor for the international product.
Trans-nationalism, is aterritorial. It transcends legal, social and capacity boundaries locally because its operations challenge local authority and national interest. States insist on controlling production, trade, propaganda and protecting the secrecy of their activities, especially true in communications (social media)..adherence to these local and national needs require loyalty (patriotism) but internationalist cannot be loyal to ~256 different nations at the same time.
Humanity is the only truly internationalle! Humans are everywhere; nation states are here and there, and everywhere the nations exist, they are different. Humans need an international government to govern the activities of those who create or manage any governing structure: corporation, partnership, military, industry or government. Human rights are bundled into a single package. International audit powers focused on adherence to human rights and sufficient in scope, reach and authority to protect the rights of humans from the powers invented and enforced by those who create or who operate governing structures are needed to prevent structural and functional violation of human rights.
When a person is elected, appointed or assumes by force a position in any organized and managed structure; how it is that person yesterday had no power but today that same person is all powerful?
People have been conditioned, from birth to death, to automatically recognize, endow, empower and authorize the occupant of a position within any organized structure to direct and to use the resources available to the structure as a force (a weapon) to accomplish goals or to maintain intentions of the person in charge. So executive position inside organized structures is a source of power often used to violate human rights (As prime minister, I can order the nations army to kill a million people who live on the moon because the people are in my way).
International law does not give humans any rights to find or punish a person who used his or her position in a way that violated someone's human rights. This is so, I think, because humanity is never represented when international or national rights are negotiated.
In other words, position within powerful organizations allow human rights to be negated.
This is the wrong that must be remedied. Its a wrong so strongly embedded into our societies that it will take all of humanity to fix it. What happened with the arrest of Telegrams's Durov is not just about Telegram, its about the conflict between human rights and the power individuals with positions inside of individual member nations of the nation state system.
I believe the Arrest of Durov and the Israeli actions against the Palestinains are related not in facts but in circumstance. Human rights vs nationalism.
Posted by: snake | Aug 28 2024 11:30 utc | 5
My view is that the crux of the difficulty is that Arabian peninsula and levant are not for an Iran/Russia reality in Palestine. That is to say the older Sunni / Defense fault line.
Hence the persuasion towards "Israel" encountered by the leadership of those countries, and hegemony by US.
Iran can defend Palestine until it no longer exists as a possibility. It can then defend Hezballah until that no longer exists as a possibility. Then Syria might face an altered Lebanese front against it, combined with Turkish , Iraqi and Jordanian.
So these projects are decades long, and what politicians say now is often about staying seated comfortably.
Iran knows its limitations, it could engage in a long costly direct war with "Israel" , but the price is way too high to. Instead of galvanising opinion in Arabian peninsula in its favour the opposite might occur, it might be seen as attempt at regional hegemony and conquest of a Sunni state.
The West has calculated this out, which is why it is playing its strengths by fully supporting "Israel".
So Iran is reduced to increasing its defenses and supporting resistance movement to "Israel" and wider western hegemony. That is an unknown quantity of a reply , given the above - it depends on appraisal of the integrity, the future integrity of the western orientated Sunni block.
The tit-for-tat reprisals of Hezballah are not defining . "Israel" will fully open that front when it wants to or is able to.
The silence of the Sunni block on the extermination of Palestinians underlines their 'tolerance' of that vs their lack of will to coordinate with Iran.
That is how it looks to me , or we have a regional and possible world war.
Though many are disgusted that our own nations are supplying and so fully facilitating the genocide , like the public in the Sunni block we are not in a position to contest that reality, as we would be faced with a related merciless application of force of one kind or another.
People trade off what they have for what they stand to gain, and by protesting or acting in defense of Palestine, in day to day reality they stand to gain nothing but to lose much. That is why they are quiet, and worse still choose to believe propaganda that justifies their own choices.
Then there are those with conscience, who are more sentient. They tend to be peaceful people , not antagonistic towards others. The pro-genocide forces do not mind a million people having a quiet protest walk, if that 'keeps everyone happy'.
What I think is that there will be unexpected turns to this overall direction, decisive or otherwise.
That is no solace to those watching their country and people being continuously destroyed, and it is not a 'plan' that could be relied upon.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2024 11:35 utc | 6
Russia bombed all of Ukraine in retaliation for the Kursk invasion. Can Hezbollah do the same?
Posted by: CIROC | Aug 28 2024 11:38 utc | 7
Just to set the record straight: The UK did NOT support the creation of Israel in 1948. They abstained from the UN vote under pressure from the US. Had the foreign office had its way, I think they would have voted against it, because they could see the trouble it would cause.
Posted by: David Pollard | Aug 28 2024 11:50 utc | 8
There is little support the Palestinians can count on. The 'western' world is supporting the Zionist entity with all it has. The U.S., Germany and others provide it with a steady stream of weapons and ammunition. The Arab world is mostly silent. Turkey provides the Zionist entity with oil stolen from the Kurdish regions in Iraq. Egypt has expanded its economic ties with Israel by becoming a way station for imports to that country.
The dog that didn't bark; The 800-lb gorilla in the room. Pretty much what everyone seems to ignore. The Arab countries don't give a sh*t about the Palestinians either. They only pay lip service and support to the Palestinians to use as proxies in the same way the U.S. and the EU uses Ukraine as a proxie against Russia.
Posted by: Phil R | Aug 28 2024 11:53 utc | 9
The Israelis are not limiting themselves to Palestinians (Muslims) but are also expelling Christians from their homes, churches and areas that they have lived in for centuries.
https://x.com/snarwani/status/1827851030509302002
Why then do "christians" continue to supply bombs and other means of mass murder?
It's ok. Israel will do what Israel does and the world will look the other war. This is a fact so don't react butthurt.
Posted by: Surferket | Aug 28 2024 12:01 utc | 11
"Journalist Youssef Fares
Israeli Foreign Minister: The threat in the West Bank must be treated like Gaza and a temporary evacuation of the population must be implemented. This is a war on everything."
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"Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalmeh, specialist and translator in the Hebrew media
Jenin Governor Kamal Abu Al-Rub:
The occupation forces close all entrances and exits to the city and camp of Jenin and prevent entry and exit to and from the city and the camp.
This is the twelfth invasion in a row, but what is different this time is that it is the first time that all exits and entrances to the city and its camp have been closed and entry and exit from them has been prevented.
The occupation army placed dirt barriers and military vehicles near the hospitals and on the roads leading to them, which led to all hospitals and the Red Crescent being out of service.
- There is an Israeli threat to storm Jenin Governmental Hospital, according to what the liaison informed us of, where there are 180 patients and 75 medical staff in addition to those accompanying them, and any storming of the hospital will endanger the lives of hundreds."
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"HereIsTheTruth
Israeli Army Radio reported, quoting the security establishment, that “previous campaigns did not achieve results, and we decided to do something to change the reality in the West Bank, and we do not want the West Bank to become a front that hinders us from fighting in Gaza and Lebanon."
Security officials in the Israeli occupation stressed that the issue of explosive devices was the main driver for launching the operation currently underway, and they specifically mentioned the Tel Aviv operation, and the danger of the explosive devices that constitute a threat, according to the occupation’s claim"
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2024 12:05 utc | 12
40% of ethnic Palestinians are Christians.
30% of the Levantine Arabs are Christian
Posted by: Exile | Aug 28 2024 12:07 utc | 13
Repeating the set of local Palestine links...
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2024 12:08 utc | 14
You are all fooling yourselves if you think Hezbollah hit anything important inside israel. Only thing hit was a chicken coop. Hezbollah will have to try a lot harder if they want to build deterrence. And deterrence against what? They started the current conflict with Israel. And they are completely outmatched. Meanwhile, Hamas is getting crushed in Gaza. They almost never fire any rockets at Israel anymore. They used to fire thousands. Massacring Israelis on October 7th was great fun, I’m sure. But they may not survive to do it again. If they do survive, they will need a generation at least to rebuild. Their supporters, like here on this site, will be very disappointed at the pathetic terrorist activity coming out of Gaza for the next 20 years.
Posted by: Calvin | Aug 28 2024 12:10 utc | 15
The US has supplied weapons and money to Israel to genocide the West Bank as well as Gaza; the bombs don't have an address on them and Israel can use them wherever they so desire.
I can't believe I share a planet with such gruesome creatures. It is truly difficult for me to understand how humanity can continue to exist as a whole when there are so many willing to maim, slaughter, starve, torture their fellow humans for money or property theft. It's beyond comprehension.
Israel, true to form, has already tried to prevent ambulances from getting into the Palestinian areas they are attacking today:
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Israeli forces raided an ambulance station in the al-Far'a refugee camp near Tubas and briefly held paramedics outside, an ambulance officer from the city told Middle East Eye.
Adnan Ghoneimi said Israeli soldiers forced medical teams to leave the station and lined them up against a wall as they searched the facility.
Paramedics in the city had been blocked from reaching the camp since the raid began at midnight, he added.
Ghoneimi confirmed that an Israeli drone bombed the camp at dawn, killing four people.
Ambulance crews managed to reach the area hours later and were shocked by the strike's impact.
“One of the martyrs was without a skull, shoulders or brain as if he had melted during the bombing," Ghoneimi told MEE.
"This is the most violent aerial bombardment on the city."
Due to the closure of roads leading to the camp, paramedics have been forced to take a bumpy road to transport the dead and wounded.
Some residents were forced to cut trees near their homes to allow ambulances to drive through the narrow alleyways.
Whenever medical teams tried to reach the entrances to the camp, they were threatened with being shot by soldiers, Ghoneimi said.
“If we receive any call regarding emergency cases inside the camp, the paramedics try to deal with them on the field, and if they require transportation to the hospital, the ambulance tries to reach it via rugged dirt roads that take longer to pass.”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-forces-raid-tubas-ambulance-station?nid=386961&topic=Israel%2527s%2520war%2520on%2520Gaza&fid=528256
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Posted by: teri | Aug 28 2024 12:29 utc | 16
Calvin | Aug 28 2024 12:10 utc | 15
I have not heard of heavy losses of Apaches yet, so seems the ones having fun killing on Oct 7th are fine. As fine as people who mass murdered their own countrymen can be at least. Do not worry though, their day will come.
Why fire rockets long range and poor accuracy where they are likely to miss the military targets, when you can fire them at short range with accuracy and blow up a tank and some goons instead of a field?
Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 28 2024 12:32 utc | 17
What is baffling is that the Likud Gov’t keeps doubling down on failure. It’s a all or nothing gambit.
The Likud seems to believe that the (plausible) genocide,legal definition of Apartheid, reparations, and immediate evacuation of all pre-1949 territories will simply go away.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 28 2024 12:34 utc | 18
Human rights vs nationalism.
Posted by: snake | Aug 28 2024 11:30 utc | 5
Yes.
Posted by: lindaj | Aug 28 2024 12:36 utc | 19
»Any building beyond has ben raised.«
Would is be true that buildings are being raised.
Unfortunately, everything is being razed.
Posted by: webej | Aug 28 2024 12:39 utc | 20
My view is that the crux of the difficulty is that Arabian peninsula and levant are not for an Iran/Russia reality in Palestine. That is to say the older Sunni / Defense fault line.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2024 11:35 utc | 6
That's because your view is out of date. The Sunni/ Shi'a split disappeared on October 7th, and will dissolve further the further the Israeli crimes progress, which they will do. I can't imagine what to think if Ben Gvir goes ahead with his threat to demolish al-Aqsa (quite likely). I would think Jordan will be overwhelmed with jihadis flooding through the country, and the Hashemite regime collapse, but how much further than that I'm not sure. 360 km of exposed frontier will not be easy to protect.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 12:45 utc | 21
Posted by: Calvin | Aug 28 2024 12:10 utc | 15
These copy-paste repeats from the Hasbara central web-site get boring.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 12:48 utc | 22
Hezbollah is limited, Iran will not act directly, the US continues to back Israel to the hilt, the world looks the other way. Israel now has a free hand to expand its genocide.
Posted by: Bob | Aug 28 2024 13:00 utc | 23
They, Israel, won't stop. Who is going to stop them? They are fully backed by the world's lone superpower (don't kid yourselves Russia isn't, and China isn't there yet). Whatever they need in terms of money and weapons, the US will provide for as long as it takes.
Posted by: bored | Aug 28 2024 13:03 utc | 24
the US will provide for as long as it takes.
Posted by: bored | Aug 28 2024 13:03 utc | 24
The problem is that there is no end to be the "as long as it takes". You're falsely presuming there's an end. The US will get bored some time, they always do.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 13:11 utc | 25
Without the Palestinians to fear Israel will descend into civil war.
The external threat is the unifying force of the country.Then add in the 'free money for race war' incentives from the overseas support.
Secular school year looks like it will be disrupted as funds are sent to the crazies.
Highly skilled are leaving, unemployed rising, civic institutions disappear.
Still no military victory in Aza, maybe better luck in Judea and Samaria.
And anyone who thinks Israel didn't get hit over the weekend should maybe call someone in Israel and ask about how long the sirens went and traffic jams at Tsommet Glilot.
Posted by: Polli | Aug 28 2024 13:12 utc | 26
The Israelis are not limiting themselves to Palestinians (Muslims) but are also expelling Christians from their homes, churches and areas that they have lived in for centuries.
https://x.com/snarwani/status/1827851030509302002
Why then do "christians" continue to supply bombs and other means of mass murder?
Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 28 2024 11:58 utc | 10
Not sure you got the memo, but "christians" don't run the US government. Read that Baud book.
Yes, there are still many working class voters that take democracy and/or Christianity seriously, but they have no impact on policy and are de facto disenfranchised by a two party system in which both parties respond only to the wishes of finance capital oligarchs who are almost all blood soaked Zionists.
Oddly enough this ruling class seems to have a similar, although less explicable, irrational religious commitment to Ukraine.
Point is the American workers don't have any influence on foreign policy and increasingly, almost no influence on domestic policy either. The country is democratic in name only. In reality it is a class dictatorship dressed up as a democracy, just like your country, changing what needs to be changed.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 28 2024 13:24 utc | 28
That ABBA song applies here : "the winner takes it all the loser has to fall" " the gods may throw a dice their mind as cold as ice...spectators of the show always staying low". in this world doesn't matter who is right or wrong, only who has and who hasn't. Why would Arab nations risk their wealth over Palestine ? even if you do nasty stuff, if you win with your culture, tech/wealth and media, you're looked at in awe, if you lose, even if you do good, that will soon be forgotten once you're not needed anymore "no good deed goes unpunished". Russia freed Europe from nazism, helped decolonization movement, repayed by itself all the debt of the former USSR, looked how it's being repayed. While the US, in its cool movies,music,tech and financial connections, orders Europe around, while being thanked for abusing it. Palestine will disappear soon anyway, if the west managed to keep power, people would soon cheer for Israel our hero again.
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 13:24 utc | 29
I do not see anyone intervening on their behalf...............totally correct.
Who will intervene to save the West Bank Palestinians from the same fate that is being visited on the Gaza Palestinians as we speak?
Ethnic cleansing is now underway in the West Bank, and has been for years, but its now rising to a new level. Hospital access denied, food deliveries denied, emergency access denied, Idf d9 bulldozers destroying homes and businesses, farmland and pasture lands and olive and fruit orchards seized and destroyed, young males executed by snipers in the streets....all war crimes of course.
But who will intervene?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 28 2024 13:28 utc | 30
I’m not seeing the West Bank Palestinians putting up much of a fight frankly. Even in a “civil disobedience” kind of way.
They will have sometimes a whole “one day strike”. Pockets of a few groups of “resistance fighters “, but overall, a corrupt administration and “police force”, doing Israeli’s bidding.
That million or 2 population could easily thwart and overrun the 800k settlers and go on offensive, invading “area C”.
But they don’t, they have no leader and no organized opposition, thanks to decades of Abbas rule.
They’re not like Gazan’s in any way, they’ve no desire to fight for their own cause. Jenin has been the only city bent on fighting. In many ways, West Bank Palestinians are like their Arab neighbors, they’re content being ruled over and subjugated. It’s the reason a unified Palestine has never come to pass.
Sorry to say, but the West Bank Al Aqsa Mosque & the many provocations are a testament to the lukewarm support, if even that, West Bankers have for their own cause. Hard to jump in to “save” West Bankers, that don’t care about saving themselves.
Israel is trying to create a “new reality on the ground”. A situation that when, not if, but when Palestine becomes a global nationally recognized Nation State, that can squat in all occupied areas still for years, as there will likely not be “immediate” evacuation orders, or honestly, what “force” will be applied to make Israel remove themselves?
This ends well for Palestine in only 2 ways that I see:
1) A unified people’s of over 2 million pick up arms and resist, disrupt, take over Israeli “tax collection”, refuse “check points” and other measures that would need to involve the entire population. With 40-50k collectively entering house to house all Israeli settler homes and dislodging them physically. Maybe set fire to mass housing & apartment complexes. Start blowing up Israeli businesses. Secure some AD systems from somewhere and make it an all out on the ground civilian to civilian bloody war.
2) An outside ground invasion group that routs out all Israeli’s from their settlements & sends them packing, like Hezbollah has in Israel’s Northern occupation territories.
Other than the above, no amount of “Legalities” will lead to anything but preserving Israel while the Palestinians may come away with a “Title” of a “Palestinian State”, all the nation rights, their own army, navy ect, would be decades away from being realized, their land would be restored “incrementally” if ever at all.
Force and reoccupation of their land is all that will restore Palestine. All those “refugees” in Jordan, Egypt & Lebanon, need to force their way back to Palestine and fight under a unified Palestinian banner.
At this point, I’m pretty doubtful even blowing up Al Aqsa will do more than elicit a bunch of outcry’s, hand wringing and chest beating. Guessing Israel is gauging the Arab world and neighbors the same, so we can expect further Al Aqsa incursions and nonsense while West Bank Palestinians & all the Muslim World, do nothing for the West Bank or Al Aqsa, apparently the “third” most Holy Site, is a low priority for Muslims as Israelis freely wander in, pray, disrupt, kill and everything else, in and around this supposed “Third mostly Holy Site in all of Islam “. This wouldn’t be the first or only “religious” cause (Al Aqsa) that turned out to be unimportant and was all “religious talk” more than any actual Islamic sentiment or “worship” value. Obviously, Saudi Arabia, Qatar couldn’t care a less about the 3rd Holiest Site.
Again, hardly the only “religion” whose “holy fakery” when put to the secular test, failed.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 13:29 utc | 31
@David Pollard
In 1840 the British consul in Jerusalem wrote a letter to the Sultan. (Palestine was part of the Ottoman empire.)
He suggested to invite Jews from Britain to settle in Palestine. They were rich and would develop the country.
From their on over the Balfour declaration and later a part of the British establishment has always aspired to extend the (former) empire's influence in the Middle East through Jews in Palestine. Other parts of the establishment were always against such plans but lost out.
We see how the liberals managed to control hundreds of millions of Arabs. The consumer society turns to be much stronger then Islam.
Israel is much stronger then anybody, just by having a strong will to use its nuclear weapons.
Iran and Palestinians are defeated, deeply sorry I am, to conclude that.
The West just loves this genocide.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 28 2024 13:51 utc | 33
"Since the beginning of the war, the occupation has not published a single photo of one of its dead, charred or disfigured. Rather, in mourning its soldiers - who are vampire killers - it deliberately circulates their sweetest pictures, smiling, praying, and loving life. This is how it makes sure to imprint their pictures in the minds of the whole world...
It offends .
Scenes of body parts and piles of flesh of the martyrs and their families, they do not have any real effect in the context of influence and awareness:
Publish the martyrs with their most beautiful pictures, their sweetest smiles. Show them in all their elegance, smiling as they were, happy, kissing the mouth of life. This is what remains, this is what is imprinted on them. Heart, soul and memory...
Do this for us more than anyone else.
Journalist Youssef Fares - Gaza"
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2024 13:53 utc | 34
Not sure you got the memo, but "christians" don't run the US government. Read that Baud book.
Yes, there are still many working class voters that take democracy and/or Christianity seriously
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 28 2024 13:24 utc | 28
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Let's not forget that when professional Christians accede to the halls of power (typically in Republican administrations), they show no sympathy for the “wrong kind of Christian”. The same can be said for blue-collar “values voters”.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 28 2024 14:10 utc | 35
a part of the British establishment has always aspired to extend the (former) empire's influence in the Middle East through Jews in Palestine. Other parts of the establishment were always against such plans but lost out.
Posted by: b | Aug 28 2024 13:46 utc | 32
You're quite wrong about this, b. You're right that the British establishment was split. But the enthusiasts for Jewish settlement were what we would call Christian Zionists today, and had nothing to do with colonial policy. The colonial people were the ones opposed, but they were overruled. The hopes for colonies in the Middle East were more or less dashed under the Mandates in the 20s and 30s. Arabs didn't behave like Indians; they were too uppity. In the end the policy transmuted into indirect control - the kingdoms in Iraq, Jordan and Egypt. In Palestine they'd given up by 1939 (after the 1936 revolt), and had decided to stop Jewish immigration. But then came the war, and the consequences we known so well.
Colonial policy and Jewish settlement had no connection, settlement was of no benefit to Britain, much the same as Israel support is of zero benefit to the US today.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 14:22 utc | 36
Re.
The British have a continuous background of regional interests in the middle-east. I like to consider that the predominant public attitude in recent history is moderate, offset by geopolitical and economic involvements.
That is to say that lines of influence, sometimes indirect (via other nations), at higher levels have existed throughout the post war period, between UK and "Israel".
I find the theological concepts are more a social propaganda format, except for the more extreme religious factions.
I find the history of jewish persecution during the second world war being used as a "carte blanche" .
I find post world war German submission being a front, as it is presented as a correct moderation of moral to be taken as example. That includes recognition of "Israel" , which has to be accepted as 'payment' for any wrong, even by those who have nothing to do with any possible wrongs. To say otherwise would be to say Germany was right, something which is incalculable in the western conscience.
The articles below just touch on some of the influence at political levels, the last exemplifies the effect of the jewish vote in British politics.
Note that "Traitor Heath" was the only politician to walk a more moderate line, as he was continentalist and so I think viewed europe as the eventual hegemon as opposed to US, and so fitted with europe's own presentation and ambitions.
https://fathomjournal.org/the-yom-kippur-war-and-british-politics/
These are just a small example of the influences at play. It is noteworthy that the influences are often reverse, being jewish or "Israeli" influence on UK.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2024 14:39 utc | 37
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
This is what the west wants to teach ya
Keep off our green green grass
Or we’m a kick y’all’s ass
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Pull up a ringside seat, yeah
We want you to hear all the crying
We want you to smell all the dying
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Sit down and listen to teacher
Trust not your ears or your eyes
Trust in our beautiful lies
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
We’ve always used this procedure
Learn you what’s wrong and what’s right
In the glare of our big gas light
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Deep in your mind we defeat ya
Fret not what’s right or what’s wrong
Just bend the knee to the strong
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
This is just rinse and repeat yeah
Korea Iraq Vietnam
Who’s our next Passover lamb?
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
You’re not like us? We delete ya
Agent Smith’s hand in your chest
Now you’re a Smith like the rest
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 28 2024 14:52 utc | 38
‘International Law Obligations’ – Namibia Blocks Ship Carrying ‘Explosive Material’ to Israel
Posted by: Exile | Aug 28 2024 15:20 utc | 40
Andrew Sarchus | Aug 28 2024 14:52 utc | 38
I put those lyrics into AI and was surprised it was not censored.
https://loudme.ai/m/cm0dzzwxl01ykofv14of2repd
Posted by: andy | Aug 28 2024 15:25 utc | 41
This shocking development in the West Bank appears designed to instigate the wider war with Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Iran which Israel is now so desperate to start. Opponents of Israel's wars and genocide must assume the US also seeks these wars to end resistance to the colonization of Palestine and secure this gateway in West Asia.
Posted by: Keme | Aug 28 2024 15:28 utc | 42
Ahenobarbus, American Christians are under sway of the Schofield Bible, which says Christians must support Israel, and they mean the state of Israel, and believe Jesus is coming any minute. The Al Aqsa Mosque has to be destroyed and a new Temple built. Then all the Jews have to convert of be cast in to hell, praise Israel!
Posted by: Scottindallas | Aug 28 2024 15:29 utc | 43
Hey Andy, pretty sweet. Is there a way to dictate the musical style there?
Maybe set it to industrial EBM, along the lines of Combichrist or Noisuf-X?
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 28 2024 15:31 utc | 44
Posted by: andy | Aug 28 2024 15:25 utc | 41
Excellent work! And Andrew @38 as well for the lyrics. That was quite catchy.
(I don't think the censorship technology has caught up with AI just yet; they're still struggling to keep the wrong people from blogging such as Big Serge, Simplicius, and Taibbi.)
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 28 2024 15:34 utc | 45
Any country that supplies Israel with weapons - aid or fuel to continue its genocide - is complicit in genocide - and its leaders must face prosecution.
Of course the above will never happen - the West controls the ICC, ICJ etc - so when the time comes - maybe one, or two patsies will serve some time in prison - whilst the real perpetrators will remain free - Bush and Blair springs to mind.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 28 2024 15:36 utc | 46
Posted by: Trubind1
A lot of you, including b need to learn about the MBH. Learn the history going back a 100yrs. Then you will understand why no Arab country will ever help Palestinian. Isreal is doing them a favor in their opinion.
Posted by: Feck | Aug 28 2024 15:37 utc | 47
The Arab countries don't give a sh*t about the Palestinians either. They only pay lip service and support to the Palestinians to use as proxies .
Posted by: Phil R | Aug 28 2024 11:53 utc | 9
Yet another round of straightforward Israeli propaganda. You believe what they want you to believe.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 15:42 utc | 48
motorslug | Aug 28 2024 15:31 utc | 44
Not sure if this is the style you want but it seems to work, I put your prompts in and got this, it needs to be a bit heavier to my mind.
https://loudme.ai/m/cm0e0qmnv02c9opc5o8wu5u7u
Posted by: Andy | Aug 28 2024 15:44 utc | 49
Then you will understand why no Arab country will ever help Palestinian. Isreal is doing them a favor in their opinion.
Posted by: Feck | Aug 28 2024 15:37 utc | 47
And yet another round of the same boring old hasbara.
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 28 2024 15:44 utc | 50
Feck, Hamas IS the MBH, they're banned in Egypt, our Intel connection Sisi runs that portfolio now. Fatah is "secular" and betraying their people, Egypt's Sisi and Fateh/Abbas are aligned in keeping their people in line
Posted by: Scottindallas | Aug 28 2024 15:45 utc | 51
Hate it when people say, "told you so" (TYS)
But seeing as I have tolerated so much from the naysayers I get to
remind you that I posted here last year that this was coming.
It was always part of the Zionist's L I H O P treacherous scheme.
Posted by: librul | Aug 28 2024 15:50 utc | 52
Palestine does not stand alone. Full Stop. Well versed predictions suggest that Israel will not last through 2026. They not prepared for a long term war of attrition - either economically, politically or as a part of a sophisticated military strategy. Their primary supporters do not have inexhaustible monies or armaments. The UK, Germany are already moving toward bankruptcy and the US and France are not far behind. All have spent billions on this war as well as on the Ukraine. Netanyahu is fully aware that Iran is now under the nuclear umbrella of Russia. BRICS, GCC, ASEAN and many of the Caucasus states are loosely associated, and share considerable animus toward Israel. Look for a more organized and targeted approach after the upcoming BRICS meeting in Kazan to which the Palestine Authority (enhanced re agreement with China bringing together all factions) is not only invited to attend but also to join. Irrespective of Israeli actions, this gives the Palestine State not only added legitimacy but also secures all rights of statehood enshrined in UN/Hague/ICC actions in the eyes of the majority of world population. Putin is the head of BRICS this year. While Israel is immune to political pressure, it is most certainly not immune to financial pressure as Ansarallah has shown the world. Sanctions, refusal of trade relations, and of course dedollarization are on the agenda, moves that will undercut both the US and Israel. The choice is all out war (the preferred choice of US/IS) or a slow strangulation of Israel economically with heavy, heavy war expense and the heavy cost of supporting displaced populations GDP is plummeting with the many bankruptcies. As many here have opined, the death by a thousand cuts is taking hold. To say nothing of the outward migration of the brightest and best of Israelites.
It would be surprising if Netanyahu, Gallant and others are not aware of this. Their rage at a situation wherein up to October Israel was regarded as all powerful with the strongest army and armaments in the middle east,
backed by the invincible US/UK/EU, to essentially being unable to pacify Gaza even with genocidal action and to quell the ever restive West Bank. Furthermore, in the case of regional war, they face a multiple fronts - Hamas, PFLP and others in Gaza and the West Bank, Hezbollah, Syrian and Iraqi well armed non state actors and the redoubtable Ansarallah, All under the umbrella of a variety of state actors who will be less than supportive although not overtly seeking to engage. In this context, it is not surprising that in the spirit of revanche, genocidal action moves to the West Bank, a second population who are boxed in, poorly armed and represent no real threat to Israel who acts as though genocide is their one and only strong card. Look for even greater atrocities from Netanyahu's war clique, if the country is not able to find a pathway and will to elect more rational leaders. Unfortunately, a crucial core of the more moderate Israelis have more probably than not taken their high levels of skill with them and emigrated to more stable countries.
Posted by: abierno |
Posted by: abierno | Aug 28 2024 15:57 utc | 53
Andy 41
Great effort, thanks!
https://loudme.ai/m/cm0dzzwxl01ykofv14of2repd
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 28 2024 16:03 utc | 54
Still trying to find out what the CIA and MI6 knew beforehand about October 7th.
The Israelis and CIA and MI6 share intelligence. The Israelis had Hamas' detailed
plan for October 7th a year beforehand, where to find the CIA and/or MI6 admitting
that they also read Hamas' plan.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/hamas-october-7-attack-tactics-targets-and-strategy-terrorists
Mr. Leiter: Can I build on that, Dan? Because I’ve been out of government for some time now, but we in the U.S. intelligence community and counterterrorism community, of course, thought about Hamas, thought about Hezbollah, watched Hezbollah much more so than Hamas and one of the reasons – probably two basic reasons we didn’t look at Hamas that much, one, it wasn’t really a threat to the United States; it was a threat to Israel. The second was, though, that the Israeli understanding of Hamas was eye watering.There was simply very little, if any, that the U.S. could add. Whereas we were trying to track individuals, the Israelis knew the individuals; they knew families. They knew Hamas as an organization vastly better than we ever understood al-Qaeda or the like, which did – to me, with the tragedy of October 7th was just that much more shocking. I couldn’t imagine how they had gone from such a deep, thorough, nuanced understanding of the group to having this happen.
Posted by: librul | Aug 28 2024 16:10 utc | 55
Andrew Sarchus | Aug 28 2024 16:03 utc | 54
The effort was all yours. Mine consisted of copy/paste, 2 clicks, wait for 3 minutes, done.
AI is fascinating and worrying at the same time but feeding the algorithms at least some decent lyrics probably can't hurt.
Posted by: andy | Aug 28 2024 16:10 utc | 56
osted by: b | Aug 28 2024 13:46 utc | 32
Yes, but David is right, the Brits did not support the establishment of the state of Israel in 48. They had been bitten in the ass by the Irgun and other settlers, and they decided the zionists were unmanageable.
Just finished reading about it in "The Hundred Years' War on Palestine," an excellent book.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 28 2024 16:18 utc | 57
Making my way through "The Hundred Years' War on Palestine," an excellent book.
One of the most striking things about the story is the extent to which imperialism and class war has, so far, favored Israel.
I think that story will change, but I highly recommend this book. By Rashid Khalidi.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 28 2024 16:22 utc | 58
@Andy this is addictive. There goes any chance of me getting any work done today.
Dedicated to Antony Blinken:
https://loudme.ai/m/cm0e24brg02a5ofuuxs446sue
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 28 2024 16:22 utc | 59
The powers that be must have had it in mind to use the oil and gas offshore from Gaza as substitute energy before they decided to blow up Nordstream. That means they were already intending the Gaza war and genocide.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 28 2024 16:25 utc | 60
@ andy and ghost
I tried to use it with a cooler style but it requires google subscription so that's not happening.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 28 2024 16:32 utc | 62
JAB @57-8--
Thanks very much for noting that book. Here's a book review blurb:
In 1899, Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi, mayor of Jerusalem, alarmed by the Zionist call to create a Jewish national home in Palestine, wrote a letter aimed at Theodore Herzl: the country had an indigenous people who would not easily accept their own displacement. He warned of the perils ahead, ending his note, “in the name of God, let Palestine be left alone.” Thus Rashid Khalidi, al-Khalidi’s great-great-nephew, begins this sweeping history, the first general account of the conflict told from an explicitly Palestinian perspective.Drawing on a wealth of untapped archival materials and the reports of generations of family members—mayors, judges, scholars, diplomats, and journalists—The Hundred Years' War on Palestine upends accepted interpretations of the conflict, which tend, at best, to describe a tragic clash between two peoples with claims to the same territory. Instead, Khalidi traces a hundred years of colonial war on the Palestinians, waged first by the Zionist movement and then Israel, but backed by Britain and the United States, the great powers of the age. He highlights the key episodes in this colonial campaign, from the 1917 Balfour Declaration to the destruction of Palestine in 1948, from Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon to the endless and futile peace process.
Original, authoritative, and important, The Hundred Years' War on Palestine is not a chronicle of victimization, nor does it whitewash the mistakes of Palestinian leaders or deny the emergence of national movements on both sides. In reevaluating the forces arrayed against the Palestinians, it offers an illuminating new view of a conflict that continues to this day.
"The Hundred Years War On Palestine: A History Of Settler Colonial Conquest And Resistance" can be freely downloaded at the link.
RE: That means they were already intending the Gaza war and genocide.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 28 2024 16:25 utc | 60
I’m seeing more and more evidence of that myself. The real war is Russia/China. In that order. This appears to be a distraction war. Genocide is irrelevant to West.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 16:38 utc | 64
Ghost of Zanon | Aug 28 2024 16:22 utc | 59
Haha puurrrfidy
Like it.
Gonna stop going off topic now, even though your lyrics are not. :-)
Posted by: andy | Aug 28 2024 16:42 utc | 65
I hope the Arabs finally wake up:
Today it is just the Palestinians.
Tomorrow ...it will be all of you.
Except a few for the reservations.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 28 2024 16:42 utc | 66
Joint statement press release from France, Germany and the UK on the 12th August 2024
"We, the leaders of France, Germany and the United Kingdom, welcome the tireless work of our partners in Qatar, Egypt and the United States towards an agreement on a ceasefire and the release of hostages. We endorse the joint statement of HH Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al Thani, President Sisi and President Biden calling for the immediate resumption of negotiations. We agree that there can be no further delay. We have been working with all parties to prevent escalation and will spare no effort to reduce tensions and find a path to stability. The fighting must end now, and all hostages still detained by Hamas must be released. The people of Gaza need urgent and unfettered delivery and distribution of aid.
We are deeply concerned by the heightened tensions in the region, and united in our commitment to de-escalation and regional stability. In this context, and in particular, we call on Iran and its allies to refrain from attacks that would further escalate regional tensions and jeopardise the opportunity to agree a ceasefire and the release of hostages. They will bear responsibility for actions that jeopardise this opportunity for peace and stability. No country or nation stands to gain from a further escalation in the Middle East.
President Emmanuel Macron of France
Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany
Prime Minister Keir Starmer of the United Kingdom
They are concerned but seem to have no intention to reign in the aggressor.
Posted by: anon | Aug 28 2024 16:44 utc | 67
RE: Isreal is doing them a favor in their opinion.
Posted by: Feck | Aug 28 2024 15:37 utc | 47
I really wasn’t thinking about Israel per se, just simply that the religious facade about their 3rd most Holy site (AlAqsa) in the Islamic world, and all the religious masks of Arab leaders are falling off their faces. It’s something their populaces are bearing witness too, and will react to… or not.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 16:45 utc | 68
I have no idea why people here think the Israelis are "failing" in Gaza.
If they "succeeded" - ie, destroyed Hamas - they'd be obliged to stop leveling the place.
As long as they can credibly claim Hamas have not been destroyed, the West will keep providing them with the tools of genocide. And eventually there will literally be nowhere there to live.
Even if the don't kill all the Palestinians, they can make the place unlivable and traumatise them to such an extent that they'll be clamouring to be let out to live in peace in tents in Sinai.
I wish it weren't so. But disliking the truth shouldn't stop you seeing it.
Posted by: observer | Aug 28 2024 16:45 utc | 69
Israel had Hamas' detailed plan a year before Oct 7th, it was revealed last November 2023.
Now (June 2024) an Israeli intelligence document (not Hamas) has "surfaced". Though everything Israeli
must be treated as suspect this document is interesting nonetheless.
A newly surfaced document reveals that Israel Defense Forces and Israeli intelligence systems had detailed knowledge of Hamas' plan to raid Israel, including the number of hostages to be taken and specific instructions for their treatment while in captivity.According to a Monday night report presented by Israel's public broadcaster, Kan, the document, which is based on information from military intelligence's 8200 Unit, began circulating on September 19, less than three weeks before the October 7 massacre.
The unnamed sources who provided Kan with the document, also claim its contents were brought to the attention of at least some senior intelligence officials but apparently ignored. The memo highlights the extent to which the IDF's Gaza Division was aware of a potential attack on Israel's southern border communities.
The document, titled "Detailed End-to-End Raid Training," goes into startling detail, beginning with a description of a series of exercises conducted by Hamas' elite Nukhba units in the weeks prior to its publication.
Posted by: librul | Aug 28 2024 16:45 utc | 70
@63 Cont'd--
Rashid Khalidi was the Edward Said Professor of Modern Arab Studies at Columbia
University in New York when the book was published in 2020. I wonder if he still has his position there given the anti-Palestinian Pogroms there and elsewhere in Ivy League academia.
@ anon #67
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that just days after the zionazi assassinations in Beirut and Tehran?
I link again to the best article explaining that:
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/12/caitlin-johnstone-us-to-iran-only-israel-may-escalate/
The imperial spin machine operates by reversing victim and victimizer, aggressor and defender — claiming to act in self-defense while existing in a continuous state of attack, writes Caitlin Johnstone.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 28 2024 16:59 utc | 72
I hope the Arabs finally wake up
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 28 2024 16:42 utc | 66
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I’m sure you’ll agree that they’re wide awake—and angry. It’s just that their “leaders” are asleep on their piles of dollars.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 28 2024 16:59 utc | 73
Just to set the record straight: The UK did NOT support the creation of Israel in 1948. They abstained from the UN vote under pressure from the US. Had the foreign office had its way, I think they would have voted against it, because they could see the trouble it would cause.
Posted by: David Pollard | Aug 28 2024 11:50 utc | 8
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Mr. Pollard, the UK connived with the Zionist since WW1 to create the conditions for a "Jewish State." If the UK abstained, that was only due to politics. On May 14, 1948, in Tel Aviv, when Jewish Agency Chairman David Ben-Gurion proclaims the State of Israel, the British Prime Minister was Clement Richard Attlee, who was only the second Labour Party PM in the History of the UK. Attlee was PM from 1945 to1951: Labour Party politics were different from Conservative Party politics.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 28 2024 17:04 utc | 74
RE: “I wish it weren't so. But disliking the truth shouldn't stop you seeing it.”
Posted by: observer | Aug 28 2024 16:45 utc | 69
I’m if the mindset that there are plenty of places the Palestinians could go live in. Tel Aviv, Golan Heights, all over their own territory. They simply need to match on it. In one unified armed force. Pick a city, and all million or 2, march in it.
I’m not of the Israeli inflicted mindset “here’s your choice”.
At some point, maybe a lightbulb will go off with some Palestinian group leader somewhere and they’ll come out of their hidey holes & march on with the populace where their is food, water, fuel and electricity. Take days to genocide a couple million people, forcing Israel to bomb their own occupied lands.
Anyways, they want to play victim forever, fine. If not, start heading uniformly en masses where there is food.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 17:04 utc | 75
@71 Cont'd--
One last note on books. British Policy Towards Syria and Palestine, 1906–1914 published in 1980 is another of Khalidi's works, and the Forward by Albert Hourani shows it's a powerful, important work. Unfortunately, it's only available to read at The Archive and not downloadable. And I found no used copies for sale, not even from Amazon.
Those AI songs are brilliant - barflies pass them on please
Posted by: Exile | Aug 28 2024 17:15 utc | 77
"they’ll come out of their hidey holes & march on with the populace where their is food, water, fuel and electricity. Take days to genocide a couple million people, forcing Israel to bomb their own occupied lands." Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 17:04 utc | 75
Walking without water, sleep or food for 2 days(while constantly attacked) would kill half of them anyway. All they would do is create a humanitarian crisis of biblical proportions, while Israel claimed them to be a meat wave attack from hamas.
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 17:31 utc | 79
Since there is no hope anymore, at this point Palestinians would be better off following the old principle of "if you can't beat em join em" either assimilate into Israeli society, or, find a weaker group to steal land from.
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 17:39 utc | 80
According to Wikipedia, Rashid Khalidi is still a professor at Columbia University, where he coedits a journal.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 28 2024 17:41 utc | 81
According to Wikipedia, Rashid Khalidi is still a professor at Columbia University, where he coedits a journal.
Posted by: Lysias | Aug 28 2024 17:41 utc | 82
Patrick Lawrence on good/evil absolutism driving events:
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/28/patrick-lawrence-the-end-of-days/
Note also Israel has in fact "normalized" assaults on hospitals and medical providers as a tactic of war with its deliberate moves right at the start of its West Bank actions.
Posted by: jayc | Aug 28 2024 17:49 utc | 83
And what are Russia and China doing? Nothing.
And what are the arab/muslim countries, that recently entered BRICS+, doing?
Nothing.
There will be no Multipolar world in this way.
Either the non-westerns grow a lair of balls like the Soviets did, or this will end up with another total victory for the naZionist genocidal empire of USA/UK/NATO/Israel.
Also, people in Egypt and Jordan should start seriously thinking about regime change in their countries. They are led by corrupt vassals of the naZionist, total traitors of the Arab/Muslim world.
Egypt and China, and Hamas, should make a military intervention in Gaza (until they reach the 1947 borders.
Jordan and Saudis, and Fatah, should do a military intervention in the West Bank until they reach the 1947, including the liberation of all of Jerusalem.
Syria and Russia, and Iraqui resistance, should make a military intervention to liberate the entire Golan Heights.
Lebanon and Iran, and Hezbollah, should make a military intervention to liberate all of Galilee up to the 1947 borders.
And an armada of Russia and China, as well as other non-Western countries, like Algeria and Turkey and Yemen (Houthis), and preferably with the help of Brazil and South Africa and India, should make a maritime blockade to stop the USA/Uk/NATO ships from entering the Mediterranean and Red Seas (in the case of USA's and UK's imperialist pigs) and to not allow any NATO warship get near the coast of Palestine.
This would be historical.
This would be just.
This is justified.
This ks logical.
This will be remembered forever as the actual birth of Multipolarity and the end of the genocidal naZionist western empire.
The alternative is what we see everyday: a genocide made by the western naZionists, China only cares about its own trade, and Russia living of the last drops of the old Soviet influence in Africa and MiddleEast. This is the sure path to the abortion of Multipolarity and to the prolongation of USA's evil hegemony.
What "death by a thousand cuts"?! That's just wishful thinking, propaganda. The ones being killed by a thousand cuts are the Palestinians and Israel is getting bigger and closer to its final goal of completely occupying Palestine. Wake up!
Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 28 2024 18:05 utc | 84
@ carlos
Not sure why you added India to your list, aside from the BRICS equation. Modi and nuttyahoo are 2 peas in a pod. They're both racist against muslims and supremacists of their respective ideologies - zionism and hindu.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 28 2024 18:13 utc | 85
Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 28 2024 18:05 utc | 84 🎬 🍿 nice fantasy you have there, and then Luke blew up the deathstar, and everyone lived happily ever after 🎊 THE END
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 18:17 utc | 86
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aipac-100-million
'Very Bad Sign for Democracy': AIPAC Has Spent Over $100 Million on 2024 Elections
AIPAC's billionaire-funded super PAC has helped defeat two of the most vocal opponents of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 28 2024 18:18 utc | 87
RE: Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 17:39 utc | 80
No, for decades they’ve been slaughtered, beaten down, trodded down, developed “victim” mindset of helplessness & a somebody “rescue” us, poor to treasonous leaders. None of it mentally or emotionally is easy to overcome, let alone, rise above. There’s no Ghandi or Martin Luther King, or others less known that are a unifying beacon of light and resistance, competent in the strength of their unity.
Fatah & Hamas leaders fell for the split and only now, less than half heartedly are seeing a United power. But the Palestinian people are still left with nothing but their willingness to die for their land.
It’s not their fault. I’m simply hoping they see their own strength in numbers. And march on a City of their choosing, and take it. Their not “fated” to the Sinai.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 18:18 utc | 88
It’s not their fault. I’m simply hoping they see their own strength in numbers. And march on a City of their choosing, and take it. Their not “fated” to the Sinai.Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 18:18 utc | 88
If history teaches us anything, it's that the vast majority of people would rather die tomorrow than today.
They can't be sure what their risk of death is tomorrow if they stay put, whereas they know their risk of death is pretty high if i) they try to take up arms, and ii) they try to confront the IGF with them
You can see it everywhere. Throughout the West, our prosperity is being eaten away by termites like the banking cartel, the MIC, social welfare, large scale illegal immigration. But we'd rather plump up the cushions and watch the latest NetFlix series than actually risk inconvenience, discomfort, imprisonment or death doing something about it.
Posted by: observer | Aug 28 2024 18:38 utc | 89
This attack on the West Bank to specifically target the defense of Palestinians aided by Iran should be a warning to China. The rationale aiding the defense of a helpless people is a battle against terrorism repeats America's reasons for the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq as well as its overthrow of Libya and attempted overthrow of Syria. The Palestinians of the West Bank are beset by state sponsored terrorists intent on stealing their land and ethnically cleansing them to aggrandize the Israeli state. Despite the illegal occupation of the West Bank, any resistance against the terrorist colonizers or the IDF is regarded as terrorism. The real terrorism is the unleashing of horrors of an industrialized military against a civilian population. The alliances Iran is developing with China and Iran open them up to the same war making rationale the American backed Israelis are using to destroy the population of Gaza and now the West Bank. When the US and Israel respond to Iran's defense of these people with direct aggression, any help Iran receives will also be used as a rationale to justify increased aggression against China.
Posted by: Keme | Aug 28 2024 18:41 utc | 90
A must read.
“Vrba was hugely critical of the Zionist movement for collaborating with the Nazis, and had no love for the Jewish state it spawned.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/28/hiding-an-ugly-truth-about-israel/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 28 2024 18:55 utc | 91
Posted by: abierno | Aug 28 2024 15:57 utc | 53 ". Well versed predictions suggest that Israel will not last through 2026. They not prepared for a long term war of attrition - either economically, politically or as a part of a sophisticated military strategy"
How does this comment above stack up with putting "Russia" in where you have "Israel"? What are the differences?
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 28 2024 19:20 utc | 92
Inspired by andy I’ve made my own LoudMe account
Here’s my first try
Collective Punishment
https://loudme.ai/m/cm0e8ft8303k0ofuvchyo93dj
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 28 2024 19:23 utc | 93
Funny how German state TV calls Israel's West Bank campaign simply "Einsatz": Israel startet größten Einsatz seit 22 Jahren. Out of so many alternatives they chose this one term, probably thinking it would be inconspicuous, masking the severity and lawlessness of this most recent Israeli transgression. But most people here will know about Nazi "Einsatzgruppen" and what their job was. Doesn't Jan-Christoph Kitzler, the author of the report? This guy holds a PhD in history. Smart, but stupid.
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 28 2024 19:34 utc | 94
Just to set the record straight: The UK did NOT support the creation of Israel in 1948. They abstained from the UN vote under pressure from the US. Had the foreign office had its way, I think they would have voted against it, because they could see the trouble it would cause.
Posted by: David Pollard | Aug 28 2024 11:50 utc | 8
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It doesn't really matter what Britain did in 1948, what kind of fig leaf they decided to don at the last minute, because they had spent the previous 50 years undermining---actually, betraying---the Arabs, with whom they had treaty-level agreements, and helping the Zionists oust/cleanse/massacre enough Arabs to take control of Palestine.
It's all there in black and white, with relevant documents, in Jeffries, Palestine: The Reality, chapter 7.
https://archive.org/details/PalestineTheReality
Posted by: Jane | Aug 28 2024 19:36 utc | 95
Posted by: b | Aug 28 2024 13:46 utc | 32
And this was Sultan Abdülhamid’s response:
The sultan declined this offer with the famous saying: "I won't sell anything, not even an inch of this territory because this country does not belong to me but to all Ottomans. My people won these lands with their blood. We give what we have the way we got it in the first place." Herzl repeated his offer once again the following year, but the answer was the same.
Yet we are led to believe this had nothing to do with the Young Turks and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 28 2024 19:52 utc | 96
The only way to stop this is to stop the funding of genocide by the US.
And the only way to do that is to stop funding the US deficit by the same countries that are victims of the US war machine which is funded by the deficit which is funded by the same victims...
If this is not stopped it will result in a (AngloZio) white vs non white world war.
Posted by: cafe_con_leche5 | Aug 28 2024 19:54 utc | 97
RE: . But we'd rather plump up the cushions and watch the latest NetFlix series than actually risk inconvenience, discomfort, imprisonment or death doing something about it.
Posted by: observer | Aug 28 2024 18:38 utc | 89
I think many Americans have been subjected in an accelerated rampage of colonial power as well. Late 90s was a purview of the Corporate/State power merge, combined with Tech, moving to the 9/11 FF to over ride Judicial rights, the last of the branches to fall into whole corruption. Since, a series of defeats, imprisonment, austerity measures, censorship, “right think”, topped off with released Bioweapon COV for the final touches of a confused, oppressed, beaten down populace. The final jackboot of tyranny of this fascist uniparty governance.
Trump was picked as the controlled opposition leader that was going to “free the masses”, was and still is, the “victum” going to save America, while controlled completely by Zios and monied interest. All political genocidal fascist are supporting him.
In any event, the same fork in the road the Palestinians are now facing, use your numbers, take what’s yours. Americans are playing the “helpless victims” as well… hoping Russia or China will free them from the tyranny of the ever exposed colonial fascist governance. “Colonial mindset & power bases” have no “Country”. The whole planet is for their strip mining, all peoples are for subjugation. The “National” ideology replaced with “Global” citizenry.
The siege of the Western colonial powers must be broken and thrown off, by all peoples everywhere. But acutely, right now, Palestine.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 19:55 utc | 98
Russia has a cash flow positive economy with little debt and produces highly sought after engineered capital goods, nil debt. Gov’t sector is relatively small at ~35% of GDP. Tiny military budget of ~$100 billion
Israel is, on the other hand, a service and trading economy. Something like 30% of Israel’s economy is tourism. Israel also is cash flow negative, requiring constant infusions of foreign capital. Israel runs hefty trade deficits approaching 15% of GDP.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 28 2024 19:55 utc | 99
RE: “Also, people in Egypt and Jordan should start seriously thinking about regime change in their countries. They are led by corrupt vassals of the naZionist, total traitors of the Arab/Muslim world.”
Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 28 2024 18:05 utc | 84
Well frankly, if people in the US/UK actually “regime” changed their governances, the the corrupt Arab/Muslim vassals, as well as Zios would end.
I could see a host of Nations benefiting.
Certainly would be simpler, more direct resolution & easier.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 28 2024 20:04 utc | 100
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Some days ago I wrote a prediction here, that (unless iran/hezbollah intervened) in 1 year Palestine would be "just a bunch of camps" it looks like that's where it's going.
Posted by: Phariah | Aug 28 2024 10:30 utc | 1