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August 6, 2024
Gaza As A New(?) Western Method To Wage War

We have seen a myriad of reports about systematic torture and murder in Israeli concentration camps, aka prisons, for Palestinians.

These reports come even from prime media which generally serve as outlets of the ruling class. There are by now so many of these reports that there is no doubt that they are real.

However there have been no political consequences from those reports. I have also not seen or heard any western politician or any editorials condemning the Israel over these reports. To my best knowledge no western country has punished the Zionist government over such behavior.

This even as it is obvious who the main people responsible for this are. Everyone knows and talks about them:

Musa ‘Aasi, a 58-year-old painter-decorator and father of four, said he heard guards beat 38-year-old Tha’er Abu ‘Asab to death in a neighbouring cell at Ketziot in November. One guard told 50-year-old Firas Hassan, from Bethlehem: “We are livestreaming this for Ben-Gvir”.

Ben Gvir’s spokesperson said the minister was “proud” of his prison policy, and that it was in line with international law. “The conditions of the terrorists imprisoned in Israeli prisons have been tightened to the minimum required by law. In accordance with the minister’s policy, the terrorists do not receive the improved conditions they received in the past,” they said.

The Guardian fails to refute those lies from Ben Gvir's spokesperson.

The Palestinians will continue to be tortured and killed. And all their families – in fact – every Palestinian in Gaza shall be killed:

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich implies he believes that blocking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip is “justified and moral” even if it causes 2 million civilians to die of hunger, adding however that the international community won’t allow this to happen.

“We are bringing in aid because there is no choice,” Smotrich says at a conference in Yad Binyamin hosted by the Israel Hayom outlet. “We can’t, in the current global reality, manage a war. Nobody will let us cause 2 million civilians to die of hunger even though it might be justified and moral until our hostages are returned. Humanitarian in exchange for humanitarian is morally justified, but what can we do? We live today in a certain reality, we need international legitimacy for this war.”

As no one, Smotrich claims, will let the Zionist kill 2 million civilians by hunger at once, it must be done slowly. By now some 10% of the once 2.3 million people in Gaza are likely already dead – killed by bombs or by the consequences of the war the Zionist are waging against them.

Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon, a former Chief of Staff of the IDF, who also served as Israel’s Defence Minister, is quoted by Alastair Crooke as saying this.

“When you talk about Smotrich and Ben Gvir: They have a Rabbi. His name is Dov Lior. He is the Rabbi of the Jewish Underground, who intended to blow up the Dome of the Rock – and before that the buses in Jerusalem. Why? In order to hurry up the ‘Last War’. Do you [not] hear them talking in terms of the Last War; or of Smotrich’s concept of ‘subjugation’? Read the article he published in Shiloh in 2017. First of all, this concept rests on Jewish supremacy: Mein Kampf in reverse”.

Smotrich and Ben Gvir are sitting right in the cabinet. But has any western country even blocked their travel or entry or sanctioned them?

Why is this allowed to happen?

Back in February Tarik Cyril Amar found this explanation.

The Gaza Method
The West’s evolving blueprint for controlling a poly-crisis world by mass-murdering and subjugating the poor, the rebellious, and those deemed “superfluous.”

The non-paywalled full text is available here.

The West is in decline and it has only one method left to delay it – brute force.

All of the above means that the West is left with one option: the hardest of powers, if the dumbest, too: military force. And that is where the Gaza Genocide precedent fulfills its most important function as method-setting and method-“normalizing.” In a very concrete way, too: For since the 1990s (at the latest), Western militaries – with the US in the lead, obviously – have been thinking intensely about fighting in cities.

You see where this has been going, right? To Gaza. Gaza is not the first but, for now, the worst instance of a doctrinal body of pseudo-technical and rationally vicious thought coming into practice: How to subdue the cities of the Global South (and the poor in general, make no mistake, Northerners), by all and any means. And for this type of very-near/present future warfare everywhere, humanitarian law as we know it – with all its immense flaws – is still too “soft,” too restraining. The same holds, of course, for our notions of crimes against humanity, including genocide.

He concludes:

Gaza is a method. A Western method. Fascist, Zionist, apartheid, sadistic Israel is a pioneer, a trailblazer into yet more evil to be done from those above to those below. That is why those above will shield Israel. They are shielding themselves and their future deeds.

I was in doubt about this theory when I first read it. But by now I think that the elite are really planing like this. It is the only explanation that makes sense and it also consistent and fits with their increasing endorsement of pure fascism be it in Israel or in Ukraine.

Comments

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 10:02 utc | 295
Jaqcues Baud’s interview on Dialogue Works said it is apparent that Israel will keep poking, and attacking until they get a response they think will throw US in a war with Iran.
That said, I do think when Israel talks about pre-emptive strike, they are scared at the rate Russia is beefing up Iran with all sort of equipment. Most likely it means US will attack Iran. Israel itself has very limited ability or force projection to attack Iran, even with US indirect support like refueling. They could lob some missiles, of which high percentage are taken down. And after they do that, it’s Iran’s turn.
So, Iran is beefing up, and they will eventually have enough firepower to take out all US bases and potentially Jordan and anyone shielding Israel, plus Israel itself, all at one go. If that’s where this is going eventually, Israel says they will make pre-emptive attack.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 10:15 utc | 301

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Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 18:54 utc | 142
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Posted by: Michael A | Aug 7 2024 6:51 utc | 273
Thank you for the relity check, Michael.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 7 2024 10:18 utc | 302

And mediate what? a two state solution? lmao. That train left the station a long, long ago,
regardless of what the Russian and Chinese like to say, and they do like to talk a lot.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 7 2024 10:11 utc | 300
Hence my conclusion. Unless Asia Times (another Ziocon rag) is actually lying outright, any offer by Russia to mediate is simply an admission that they hold the interests of Israhell higher than the lives of the entire Palestinian people.
That it support of genocide. That is support of Jewish supremacy. That cannot be morally justified.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 10:20 utc | 303

I would think that Iran et. al. would not want to be waiting for these additional 2 aircraft carriers, their planes and missiles etc to arrive in the general Middle East area.
https://t.me/medmannews/7537
🇺🇸 USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) with its Strike Group is now enroute to the Middle East.
The USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) & subsequent Strike Group are enroute to the Middle East, after refueling at Naval Base Pearl Harbor.
This will make a grand total of 3 American Carrier Groups operating in the U.S Central Command district, along with 2 Amphibious Ready Groups (USS Wasp, LHD-1 & USS Bataan, LHD-5) in the region, something not seen since Operation Desert Shield & Desert Storm in the 1990s.
@MedManNews t.me/medmannews

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 7 2024 10:24 utc | 304

It looks like the psychopathic rulers of the capitalist world are finally shedding even surface decorum.

Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 7 2024 11:09 utc | 305

Given the fate of the USS Eisenhower, perhaps the Yemenis and Iranians want all those juicy targets concentrated close by.

Posted by: exile | Aug 7 2024 11:33 utc | 306

@Exile | Aug 7 2024 8:43 utc | 280

What happened in Norway re: the events of 22. July 2011

See the image in this newspaper website from the day before (21. July 2011).
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/0PAaB/stoere-palestinerne-er-i-stand-til-aa-styre-egen-stat
Location: Utøya summer camp, i.e. the traditional summer camp for the Norwegian Labour party, attended every year by young labour party members as well as labour party big shots, such as e.g. Jens Stoltenberg. In the image you see then Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre (current Prime Minister) and then leader of labour party youth organization AUF in front of the “Boikott Israel” (translation not required) banner by some of the youth members.
What happened the day after, Friday afternoon 22. July 2011?
The building containing the Prime Ministers office (then PM Jens Stoltenberg) was bombed using a car bomb, killing some people. The story goes that the bomber then walked to a nearby parking lot and drove a different car to Utøya (~45 minute drive), took the ferry to the Utøya Island and killed 69 Labour party youths all by himself. No more “Boikott Israel”.
The police action was a total disaster, even though the police the days before had trained for exactly the same scenario (sounds familiar?). The news articles discussing the police exercise have since been deleted.
There is much more to say, but in this context I have answered the question.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 11:35 utc | 307

Israel’s “elite” are heading for their bunkers – would it be wrong for their empty houses to be targeted?

Posted by: Tara | Aug 7 2024 11:36 utc | 308

Nasrallah provides some insights into Hezbollah’s low tech encryption methods:
https://youtu.be/quVIAJGn-cs?si=rcfxfFwNzM4FeVru
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange releases an interview with Hezbollah Chief Hassan Nasrullah. Assange asks Nasrullah about the ongoing war with Israel and how they bypass Israel’s hi-tech surveillance.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 11:39 utc | 309

Breaking:
Israel claims Iran is intending to assassinate American officials in the Middle East. Sounds like another Israeli false flag is brewing. They want America in and won’t back down.
Bring those juicy carriers closer…. closer… a bit closer… yeah, you got the drift.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 11:40 utc | 310

aristodemos 251
Can you actually connect Stoltenberg to Quisling

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 7 2024 11:59 utc | 311

Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a personal letter to Iran’s leaders asking them to refrain from military action against Israel while he attempts to mediate between the two countries
Re: Menz | Aug 7 2024 9:18 utc | 283

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 7 2024 10:11 utc | 300
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Yeah, what’s to mediate?
Could this be diplomatic window-dressing for the domestic audience of Russian Jews?
IMO Russia’s pledge to protect Russians everywhere has landed them in an impossible situation. Israeli citizens of Russian ethnicity are not “Russians.” They made their choice decades ago to leave the USSR when other Soviet citizens could not do so. Obviously they considered themselves Jews, not Russians.
But there is still are Jewish Russians within Russia. And quite a few Russian Israelis have returned to Russia. And they have dual citizenship. My Moscow friend wrote a few weeks ago (when I asked him about this):

“Some Russian Jews are returning from Israel to Russia without hindrance because they have the citizenship of Russia. Some of them fiercely criticized Putin for “beginning the war against the neighboring state”, whereas later they fiercely supported Israel in its military actions in Gaza: “This is different”.

Sounds to me like Russia really does not need these people. . . .
How much domestic power/leverage do they have? At what point does the government and do the Russian people say: OK, which side are you on?
Of course the same goes for the USA but we know the extent of the problem here.
But back to Putin, it does seem possible that he has to make some sort of statement. Actions speak louder than words . . .

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 12:06 utc | 312

the one thing you need to watch and listen to:
https://odysee.com/@CJBbooks.com:8/Kabbalah-of-the-Holy-Grail-Jesus-Boiling-in-Excrement:3

Posted by: duckman | Aug 7 2024 12:16 utc | 313

NAME ONE WAR WHERE BOTH SIDES DID NOT COMMIT WAR CRIMES. This would all end peacefully if the extremist terrorist muslims and the countries they come from like Iran would agree to take in the Palestinians and give Isreal the small piece of land they ask for. Hamas and Hezbollah will not be on the negotiating table until the pressure is on them with their people starving and being treated badly unfortunately. It is the ugliness of war. America committed a grave war crime when we bombed Hiroshima, but it brought down Hitler and the fascist government in Japan. If anyone has any ideas of how this conflict could end peacefully I would love to hear it. If our legit president Trump was in charge this war and the war in Ukraine never would have happened. Brandon follows the orders of the deep state to get the US into endless wars to make money for the military industrial complex. I don’t know how any of these horrible people can look themselves in the mirror when they gladly trade human life for profit.

Posted by: fortuna | Aug 7 2024 12:27 utc | 314

I would think that Iran et. al. would not want to be waiting for these additional 2 aircraft carriers, their planes and missiles etc to arrive in the general Middle East area.
https://t.me/medmannews/7537
🇺🇸 USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) with its Strike Group is now enroute to the Middle East.
The USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) & subsequent Strike Group are enroute to the Middle East, after refueling at Naval Base Pearl Harbor.
This will make a grand total of 3 American Carrier Groups operating in the U.S Central Command district, along with 2 Amphibious Ready Groups (USS Wasp, LHD-1 & USS Bataan, LHD-5) in the region, something not seen since Operation Desert Shield & Desert Storm in the 1990s.
@MedManNews t.me/medmannews
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 7 2024 10:24 utc | 304
One is leaving Virginia,the other Havai.
That would be some time

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 12:35 utc | 315

I do believe the elites described here have such destructive plans for us all and I am frustrated that there is rarely any real group named. or the other destructive processes going on. The reduction of Europe, the attacks on agriculture, and, of course the support of wars to reduce populations. All are related to stated goals and policies and these are those of the WEF or globalists..

Posted by: Laurence johnson | Aug 7 2024 12:38 utc | 316

Posted by: fortuna | Aug 7 2024 12:27 utc | 314
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Interesting idea!
So I guess you would vacate your house if I asked for it and you would go to live with your mother-in-law!

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 12:40 utc | 317

Syrian tribal forces have encircled the al-Omar oil refinery. US also has a base in al-Omar, so that has effectively been encircled.
Most likely RU and Iran let the Syria/Iraq forces loose to attack US forces, after the attempt on Putin and the Nato attack in Rostov air base.
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1821156851594989790

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 12:40 utc | 318

NAME ONE WAR WHERE BOTH SIDES DID NOT COMMIT WAR CRIMES.
Posted by: fortuna | Aug 7 2024 12:27 utc | 314
The Palestinian side has never committed war crimes. Not once.
The Iranian side has never committed war crimes. Not once.
The Hezbollah side has never committed war crimes. Not once.
All the evidence points to the fact that these sides have operated within the framework of the Geneva conventions, specifically the right to resistance to occupation.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 12:42 utc | 319

” Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a personal letter to Iran’s leaders asking them to refrain from military action against Israel while he attempts to mediate between the two countries. ”
Re: Menz | Aug 7 2024 9:18 utc | 283
The likud Nazis would clearly like to start WW3, as announced by Nutjob to rhe UN , and Vladimir Putin understands that. He is after all having to fight the same Nazi proxies in Ukraine where they are publicly backed by NATO.
President Putin cannot get the dog turd of the Atlantacist yapdogs off his shoes because European political dogturd still commands universal respect.
But he might be able to get the dog turd of the Likud Ukrainian Nazis off one foot because of the horror of the Israeli genocide which European Atlantacist politicians pretend to oppose, while encouraging Zelensky to destroy all his population with relish.
President Putin , if able to mediate over the Israeli ongoing genocide, would not only save Arab lives, but also Russian and Ukrainian lives, and ultimately the whole world, if the Nazis were to go totally apeshit.
That includes our lives. We should give him total, unwavering , 1000 % support, not nit pick over his motives as some are doing on this thread.
Sanity is scarce in politics.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 12:54 utc | 320

/tosses bottlecap onto a mini hopscotch drawn on the bar floor
/hop hop hop, spread legged hop, hop, spread legged hop, big hop
What do you do with a rabid chihuahua Israel protected by power couple granola girl + bible belt bubba USA? Let it infect them & others, spreading a 99.9% fatal virus? “Nuke them from orbit; it’s the only way to be sure,” (“Aliens”
movie reference)?
=) It is a conundrum, no? Same old song of empire, perhaps new emperor’s clothes: this time its blood and gore covered garments you have to ignore.
/picks up bottlecap with beak and hops on back

Posted by: titmouse | Aug 7 2024 13:05 utc | 321

Right on cue, US Lügenpresse giddy with the news that FBI tracked down and DoJ will prosecute a Pakistani national “with ties to Iran” who attempted to hire assassins to kill “someone in US government.”
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pakistani-man-ties-iran-charged-foiled-assassination-plot-potentially-targeting-trump-doj-says

“U.S. Attorney Breon Peace for the Eastern District of New York. “This prosecution demonstrates that this Office and the entire U.S. Department of Justice will take swift and decisive action to protect our nation’s security, our government officials and our citizens from foreign threats.”

Notice that the headline declares:
Pakistani man with ties to Iran charged in foiled assassination plot potentially targeting Trump, DOJ says
but later paragraphs state: “we have found no evidence of any link between the defendant [who was arrested on July 12] charged in the complaint unsealed today and the attempted assassination of the former President in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13.”

Posted by: anonymous | Aug 7 2024 13:20 utc | 322

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When trying to negotiate with a person having a nervous breakdown , standing on a small ledge of a tall building , you don’t start with
” look , I know you’ve been found in compromising sexual and financial circumstances, but …” The person’s going to jump.
Brian Berletic I notice is taking Putin’s position and trying to win Likud’s confidence, by not mentioning the insanity of the Oct 7 Hannibal directive. Putin doesn’t want Likud to Hannibal or Masada the world in its incurable Babylonian neurosis at rejection by God.
Sometimes the psychotic patient has been driven mad by their own family.
In Israel’s case by the Neocons , Aipac lobby and grifter Atlantacists.
Putin , as I see it, wants to let Israel be itself, instead if being constantly used by the Colonial empires of the US and UK to trash West Asia for their mutual benefit.
Just who does Israel think USUK are trying to help by sending planes and bombs and ships to this crisis?
They’re not helping Israel, they’re serving their own shitty little colonial agendas at Israel’s expense.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 13:21 utc | 323

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 13:21 utc | 323
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Certainly a worthwhile point of view to consider.
And continues the pattern that the Jews get all the forbearance and attention that their eternal victim status makes them feel entitled to.
Maybe Putin sees the Israelis still in Israel as being hostages to Netanyahu.
If Putin can stop the Gaza genocide, more power to him . . .

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 13:33 utc | 324

Giyane 123
“Sometimes the psychotic patient has been driven mad by their own family.
In Israel’s case by the Neocons , Aipac lobby and grifter Atlantacists.”
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I have to say that my reading of history does not support this POV.
It is the Zionists who have driven the USA mad. That started at the very latest in the years that went into the rollout of Balfour.
The political Zionists were mad from the get-go. AIPAC didn’t exist when the Irgun and Betar were formed.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 13:41 utc | 325

In response to Peter Aus’s remark about polio leg, I recall a couple of kids around 1969- 72) my grades, 1-3 who had these diamond shaped contraptions between their legs and they hobbled around on crutches. These were older kids. I remember watching one of them play soccer. He would rise up on his crutches and boot the ball with both feet that seemed to be tied together. Was that polio or rickets or hip dysplasia? This was in Canada.

Posted by: Absurdio | Aug 7 2024 14:13 utc | 326

Jane 325
Thanks for your reply.
Speaking as somebody who a mental breakdown , I clearly remember the feeling that a struggle was going on inside me between what I wanted to be myself and what I wanted to please my family or society by being.
I wanted to be , and shortly became an active worshipper of God, a Muslim, but that’s not ehy my parents had sent me to an expensive school.
The motives of the early British Zionists were, I think , political but emigres to Israel may have been religious. Likud is still doing the bidding of the US and UK against the wishes of the Israelis.
If our souls call us to worship God , no amount of insistent pressure from society or parents can force us to act against our own souls.
That is what Likud is doing to the Israeli people as proxies of USUK empire. Result : madness. US and UK should allow Israel to do its soul thing , and befriend Islam which want to do their soul thing.
All US and UK can think about is better way of Islam and Judaism to do business. BACK OFF. Bith Jews and Muslims absolutely reject the authority of the grifting Heathens to tell them how to live.
That’s my two cents.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 14:35 utc | 327

Cabe @ 215
I count myself as a fan of Gabor and Aaron Maté.
In past I have known ultraorthodox Jews who think as you paint them. Not currently in touch with that community.
Where I am, mentioning the name Norman Finkelstein will trigger prompt violence. Lots of once innocuous chatter will prompt violence. So being a fly on the wall is the only way to know anything.
I attended some demos way last October. They were cop conventions. Plenty of Jewish cops taking notes, taking video. Not for me.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 7 2024 14:39 utc | 328

It is the Zionists who have driven the USA mad. That started at the very latest in the years that went into the rollout of Balfour.
The political Zionists were mad from the get-go. AIPAC didn’t exist when the Irgun and Betar were formed.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 13:41 utc | 325
US policy makers have always been mad. The Manifest Destiny and Monroe Doctrine were pillars of US policy long before AIPAC came and screwed things up even more. The US has been at war for over 90% of its existence. The US and the zionist entity were both founded on genocide and land theft, and both have always lived by the sword… karma will be a bitch.

Posted by: jure | Aug 7 2024 14:39 utc | 329

Giyane @327
What a thought. All the things they are doing over there are being done to foment hatred. It’s just too easy to hate a bunch of people who are committing genocide on innocent folks, but we have to be careful: https://folkpotpourri.com/guard-against-the-enemys-flanking-maneuver/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Aug 7 2024 14:43 utc | 330

PCR’s reaction to Iran’s holding back:

The Road to War
Paul Craig Roberts
It is OK for Israel and Washington to escalate the situation, but not for Iran or Russia. Here is the way it works. Israel assassinates a Muslim leader on Iranian territory, and then the media goes into action calling on Iran not to escalate the situation. Iran doesn’t, and from Iran not “escalating the situation” another leader is assassinated. Iran is again called on not to escalate the situation.
The reason we are headed to war is that Russia, Iran, and China are provoked time and again, and their response is to wait, and wait, and wait some more while Washington and Israel get prepared, thus reducing the effectiveness of any action taken by Russia, Iran, and China.
Iran has now waited so long before responding to Israel’s assassinations that Israel has had time to prepare an underground bunker for Netanyahu and his war party. Iran had a chance to catch them in the open and blew it. Now Iran says it wants to punish Israel but avoid all-out war. No meaningful action will be forthcoming from Iran.
Putin waited eight years from 2014 to 2022 before he accepted the obvious fact that he had to act in Donbas. If he had acted in 2014 there would have been no war.
Like Russia and Iran China issues endless “warnings.” But as the warnings never are backed by action, no one pays any attention to the warnings.
Russia, Iran, and China are right not to want war. But they have failed to understand that it is not their choice and that they are bringing on war by failing to stand up to Washington and Israel.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/08/06/the-road-to-war/

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2024 14:54 utc | 331

Ahenobarbus | Aug 6 2024 14:45 utc | 17
My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: lindaj | Aug 7 2024 15:15 utc | 332

Russia, Iran, and China are right not to want war. But they have failed to understand that it is not their choice and that they are bringing on war by failing to stand up to Washington and Israel.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/08/06/the-road-to-war/
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2024 14:54 utc | 331
He’s certainly not wrong.

Peace only breaks out under one of two conditions:

a) One side gets annihilated (spiritually or physically).
b) Both sides reach military parity (one way or another).
For b) the monopoly on violence any one side has must be broken by the other side.
Iran has not done enough to do that. Neither has Russia.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 15:35 utc | 333

Nope Israel is not a pioneer, unless to remember the fake accounts of Jesus troops killing everyone in Jericho, Ai, etc. and… Gaza, yes, already.
This “western method” is applied now for more than 500 years: looting, massacring and genociding. Only ask people from the other continents.
Those are the western values made into an ideology by Nietzsche: der Uebermensch und der Wille zur Macht. Total racism.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2024 20:20 utc | 177

Agreed. The Gaza Genocide is not a “new” method of Western warfare.
The Gaza Genocide is the same old method of Western warfare that has been going on for a very long time.
America’s Indian Wars from the 17th to 19th centuries are an example of this type of ethnic cleansing war.
In fact, you could say that the Israelis are merely imitating their genocidal Anglo-American cousins, as Palestinians are Israel’s Native Indians. And Native Indians are America’s “Amalek.” Evil minds think alike.
Hell, what is the Anglo-American “War on Terrorism” that has been raging for the past generation since the US Reichstag Fire (aka, 9-11)? It is nothing more than the broader world war of which the Gaza Genocide is one battle.
This War on Terrorism was instigated and is led by the preeminent war criminal nations on this planet: the Americans, the British, and now the Israelis. In short, the Anglo-American Zionist Empire. It’s not a coincidence that both America and Israel were historically spawned as nations from the womb of the British Evil Empire. And today the Anglos, the Americans, and Zionists are genocidal Best Friends Forever.
Even a US think-tank, Brown University’s Watson Institute, has estimated that nearly 1 million people have died directly from America’s post-9/11 wars, with several million dead from indirect causes of these wars.
The crimes that Israel commits in Gaza, the Americans and their allies perpetrate on a planetary scale….
US post-9/11 wars caused 4.5 million deaths, displaced 38-60 million people, study shows
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/05/18/us-911-wars-million-deaths-displace/

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 7 2024 15:37 utc | 334

@ oldhippie | Aug 7 2024 14:39 utc | 328
Yes, the Zionists are mostly as you have experienced them. That is, they fly into an utter rage if any part of their project or agenda is questioned, let alone opposed.
I have experienced their rage too, indeed, since the 1960s. For example, when I was in Jerusalem in 1971 with my Palestinian friend who was working on the house of an Israeli woman, she came out, and on finding I was a foreign hippie (yes, I was too), she started trying to justify Israel, and when I said, “Why don’t you just let the refugees come back,” she went bonkers. After that, my Palestinian friend said he had told this other Israeli couple from South America about me, so they wanted to meet me and invite me over for dinner. I told him, in view of the first incident, “You first have to get them to promise they won’t talk politics.” So he did, and I went, and they had to bring up justifying Israel, and, although I didn’t argue back strongly, I refused to agree with them, so they got mad. Etc., many times more after that, in different countries, including, obviously, back here in the US.
What this illustrates to me is a great insecurity and doubt about the legitimacy of the whole Zionist project, compensated for by rage. Think how you would feel if you put all this effort and expense into something, only to find out it was the wrong thing to do. Zionism is filled with self-loathing and self-hate that is projected onto others. In fact, all of the charges they spew at others better apply to themselves and their own project: anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, full of Jew hatred, hate-filled, Nazi-like, and, when directed at Jews, self-hating. They are the self-hating Jews, not the anti-Zionists. They hate Jews just practicing Judaism; they insist that Jews are no good unless they kiss the idol of Zionism. The problem is, they have trapped themselves; they have no way out of their snit, and now they are on a self-destructive binge, one that unfortunately could lead to the death of us all.

Posted by: Cabe | Aug 7 2024 15:37 utc | 335

US, UK, followed by G7 and EU, pull representatives from event commemorating civilian deaths from the Nagasaki atom bomb attack after Israel reps were not invited (Russia and Belarus also not invited). UK ambassador to Japan lays out the thinking:
“Longbottom, who attended the Hiroshima peace ceremony, told reporters on Aug. 6 that unlike Russia, which invaded Ukraine, and Belarus, which cooperated in the invasion, Israel is exercising its right to self-defense. So, treating Israel in the same manner would be misleading, she said.”
This is after Israel representatives were invited to the Hiroshima commemoration, an event which has disinvited Russia and Belarus since 2022. The Hiroshima Prefectural Confederation of A-bomb Sufferers Organization stated: “all nations should be invited regardless of whether or not there is a conflict.”
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15379321

Posted by: jayc | Aug 7 2024 15:37 utc | 336

@Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 7 2024 14:54 utc | 331
How much of this call for “waiting” by Russia is simply to buy time.
Russia is vying for time to bolster Iran’s defenses?

Posted by: librul | Aug 7 2024 15:38 utc | 337

Syrian tribal forces have encircled the al-Omar oil refinery. US also has a base in al-Omar, so that has effectively been encircled.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 12:40 utc | 318
I hope these guys showed up with the right weapons this time …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 15:43 utc | 338

Don’t get too exited, @Menz | Aug 7 2024 9:18 utc

Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a personal letter to Iran’s leaders asking them to refrain from military action against Israel while he attempts to mediate between the two countries, according to sources with knowledge of the matter.
The letter was hand-delivered by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, who arrived in Tehran on Monday.
Shoigu is slated to meet the Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran, Ali Akbar Ahmadian, and the Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Mohammad Bagheri.
He also will meet new Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian, the news agency Interfax reported.
MORE…
https://asiatimes.com/2024/08/putin-asks-iran-to-postpone-israel-strike-offers-to-mediate/

Read again:
The letter was hand-delivered by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, who arrived in Tehran on Monday. (Aug 5, 2024)
Since May 13, 2024, Russian Defense Minister is Andrei Belousov.
Lazy lying propagandist, that Asia Times journo.

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 339

The letter was hand-delivered by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, who arrived in Tehran on Monday. (Aug 5, 2024)
Since May 13, 2024, Russian Defense Minister is Andrei Belousov.
Lazy lying propagandist, that Asia Times journo.
Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 339
I should have known. AT has been a wellspring of Zionist propaganda since I laid eyes on it in 2008.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 15:55 utc | 340

@scanalyse | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc |
Not *exited*, excited, of course.

Posted by: scanalyse | Aug 7 2024 15:58 utc | 341

Whilst open Genocide is going on in Palestine, and the Ukraine, and has happened before, on numerous occasions, with far greater numbers in other countries (even John Lennon was aware of this, and publicised it, before he was Assassinated) in 1980
The current genocide, is happening in even greater numbers, across the world, but largely unseen and unsaid, because people naturally trust their Governments to look after them, like Parents should.
The psychological aspects about the current genocide – affecting both you and me, cannot be discussed, because it divides both families and friends jabbed and unjabbed.
I am personally convinced that the “Pandemic” was a Psychological Operation, involving 24×7 Fear Propaganda, but at the time, probably no release of a Bio-Weapon. The real Bio-Weapon was the Covid Jabs, but I am not allowed to say so, in pleasant company, of those I know who are still alive, and relatively unaffected, except a lot of people, seem to have suddenly aged, slowed down, or have stopped making sense.
The response in the UK to 3 beautiful little girls being assassinated -is almost unmeasurable, without film crews going round to pre-designated places, encouraged by the Government accusing them of being hard right wing…which is totally daft.
So far as I remember Dungroanin lives in East London, just North of Thames, not far from the City. I actually rather like him, even though I never actually met him. Compared to Oldham, where he lives is Posh.

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 7 2024 16:01 utc | 342

The latest presentation by The Anti-Empire Project (YouTube) notes that as much intelligence as Iran gained through it’s strike on Israhell earlier this year, the USA and it’s vassals in the region also gained about Iran’s capabilities.
This underscores the point that if Iran keeps up the habit of making token non-lethal strikes it will end up giving up valuable information it’s enemies are better placed to exploit, while gaining intelligence it can only use at great risk.
i.e Iran has to decide whether it’s going to go for the jugular and “finish the job” or simply watch it’s military capabilities slowly become nullified over time as the enemy adapts and prepares.
If it’s not the former option, better for Iran to do nothing at all and simply take the blows as they come.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 16:10 utc | 343

Arch Bungle @1543
The U$$A invasion forces in eastern Syria are there for two basic reasons. Number first is to steal all the oil and wheat they can for their I$raeli overlords. Second concept has to be as a tripwire force, serving as a goat on a rope in lion country. Russians would call that “provocatsia”. Provocation in order to have an excuse for further inroads into a nation which the Izzies desperately want to destroy and ultimately seize.
However, that invasion force is small and militarily weak…an instance of gross overreach. Should major combat come to the region, that bunch of designated sacrificial lambs would be rightfully slaughtered…unless they immediately raise white flags. As an old-fashioned American; I detest the Zionist Occupied Regime in the Di$trict of Corruption. Military inanity at its ultimate level of stupidity.
Question: Are there any adults in the room in D.C.?

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:10 utc | 344

Palestine Chronicle Live Feed Reports:
AL-QUDS BRIGADES: Al-Quds Brigades announces control of a “Zionist drone while carrying out intelligence missions in the skies of Khan Yunis.”
Comment – this happens a couple of time every week.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 7 2024 16:17 utc | 345

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 7 2024 15:37 utc | 334
Largely agree with that, even “from the womb of the British Evil Empire”, but I was pretty much unaware of it, until they started bombing Serbia – where my Ex’s Family came from in 1999.
Until then, we had done soppy love songs like The Beatles, and Feed The World, and Led Zeppelin and the Rolling stones copying Black Americans Blues songs (sometimes with credits)

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 7 2024 16:19 utc | 346

Paul from Norway@1159
Such a silly question. Of course there would be no direct connexion between Stoltenberg and Quisling. However, one thing is clear. Quisling was a stooge for the 3rd Reich. Stoltenberg is a stooge for the Talmudist agenda via their attack-dog, the military forces of the U$$A and NATO. Currently, the land of my ancestors is in bad hands, in some ways far worse than during the Quisling Hird regime.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:19 utc | 347

I don’t believe opinion polls coming from Israel that 90 % of the Israelis, fully informed of the deaths on Oct 7 by Likud’s Hannibal directive, support Likud.
I concede if they haven’t been given the full information they might leap to the wrong conclusion. There is zero value in democracy, public consultation , when the people consulting them are lying through their teeth. Garbage in , garbage out.
Nazis always control the narrative , and these particular Nazis in Likud are no different. Not much different imo to the sudden appearance under Keir Starmer of the EDL , last seen in the days of Gordon Brown who was blaming the Afghans for 9/11.
The absence of government honesty will lead to WW3. Cui bono? Who benefits from a shuffling of the global cards ? The Globalists who buy up war-torn land and property cheap .
This is a strategy as old as the hills, not a new way to control the peeps.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 16:21 utc | 348

Newbie@1235
ONE carrier group dispatched into the danger zone would be considered as a potential false-flag provocation, much desired by the financier elite and their prime minions, the NeoCons. THREE carrier groups out of a total of six viable and one back in the U.$ being refitted after their bad experience vs the Houthis in the Red Sea.
So a full half of those floating coffins entering the field of screams means that the puppet regime in the Di$trict of Corruption, currently led by Talmudists acting on behalf of the $enile One…are going ALL IN.
Not good news if you think about it. Hezbollah has stashed thousands upon thousands of missiles and rockets literally underground in Lebanon. Amongst that array are a number of Iranian built hypersonic anti-ship missiles. A total of 15,000 American sailors on those flat-tops alone, stand to be designated victims by the orders of the financier elite, headquartered in City of London.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:27 utc | 349

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 11:35 utc | 307

Thank you very much! This is highly appreciated.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 7 2024 16:28 utc | 350

358
If any opinion polls have taken place in Israel under this Nazi government, their sole purpose is to identify Jews who recognise in their waters the stench of Nazism, so that the Nazis can eliminate them, and the purpose of blocking flights is to prevent those of them who urgently wish to leave a Nazi State, from leaving so that they can be purged, killed or punished.
This Nazi Likud is equally opposed to Judaism, Christianity , Socialism and Islam. Anything that benefits humanity morally or spiritually.
The war that follows must be targeted against the sponsors of war, Global Capitalism , and against their useful idiots in Likud.
Their sponsors are Global Capitalism.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 16:40 utc | 351

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:27 utc | 349
“Amongst that array are a number of Iranian built hypersonic anti-ship missiles. A total of 15,000 American sailors on those flat-tops alone, stand to be designated victims by the orders of the financier elite, headquartered in City of London.”
There have been very few Americans working in the City of London, or anywhere in England since 9/11, and most of them are Musicians.
Most people who live in London are from the rest of the World now. They are not up their own arseholes like most Americans. I have appreciated the improvement.

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 7 2024 16:40 utc | 352

Cabe@1537
Psychologically, most contemporary Jews are a mess. There are not enough Gabor Mate’s to go around.
Projection, for real. No doubt. They got sucked in by the “Chosen” myth initially and when the “Promised Land” myth came into 1948 reality, the majority of the world’s Jews tumbled into the depths of the well…a dry one, but very deep.
This whole web of insanity began with the Septuagint creating the Old Testicles from bits and pieces of ancient lore from numerous far more advanced cultures. It is highly probable that the Hebiru emanated from southwestern Arabia, close to today’s Yemen and never lived and slaved in Egypt. Concocted mythologies have infested Judaism ever since those Hebrew scholars in Alexandria accessed the marvelous library and created that locus of preternatural paternalism.
David, Solomon and even Moses are almost unquestionably mythological concoctions, with no historical evidence of their existence. But so many people want to BELIEVE…with the most deluded and demented believers being Evangelicals and “Christian” Zionists here in the Ruptured Republic. They done swallowed the treble-barbed hook along with the bait. Fissures of men, indeed.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:44 utc | 353

I can’t tell if this is an over-dramatisation:

Arab forces have seized control of the Al-Omar oil fields from US-backed SDF in Deir ez-Zor, capturing 81.2 square km, including a key water station in Dhiban. The US coalition has responded with airstrikes, revealing signs of panic as territorial losses mount. The escalating conflict underscores the strategic importance of regional oil fields.

Visuals and drama:
Arab Forces Take Over Key Oil Fields from US Control
It’s on, like donkey kong …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 16:45 utc | 354

some of the latest news:
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Israeli protesters interrupted a high court hearing on the notorious Sde Teiman detention camp where Palestinians are tortured and held in poor conditions, shouting “we will rape them now,” according to Israeli newspaper Maariv.
The hearing was paused for 30 minutes due the commotion created from the protest, which was organised by right-wing groups. 
The activists interrupted the hearing when the attorney for the petitioner, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), began speaking. The ACRI is asking for the facility to be closed. 
The protesters shouted “disgrace” and “we are the sovereign” as they demanded the facility remain open. 
After being taken out of the court room, they shouted for the death penalty to be enacted against “terrorists”. 
-Middleeasteye live-feed
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Two of the five reservists still under arrest for suspected aggravated abuse of a Palestinian arrested in the Gaza Strip were found to be lying when asked during a polygraph test whether they had committed an “act of sodomy” on the detainee and answered that they did not.
Additionally, it was revealed in the investigation that the victim is not the commander of Hamas’ Jabaliya battalion, as was previously claimed, but a Hamas police officer.[…]
https://archive.ph/exULh#selection-909.0-917.172
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Israel preventing entry of over one million polio vaccines into Gaza
The Palestinian Health Ministry accused Israel on 7 August of preventing the entry of over a million desperately needed polio vaccines into the Gaza Strip. 
“The Gaza Strip needs 1.3 million doses of polio vaccine … Israel is still refusing to allow vaccines into the Strip,” said Musa Abed, Director of Health Care at the ministry. […]
https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-preventing-entry-of-over-one-million-polio-vaccines-into-gaza
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Yemen’s Ansarallah, Lebanon’s Hezbollah, and others have congratulated Yahya Sinwar on his election to the leadership of the Hamas movement’s political bureau, after Israel’s assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran at the end of last month. 
[…] The Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) movement and other Palestinian resistance groups congratulated Sinwar on Tuesday.
After Hamas’ announcement, Israeli officials renewed their vow to kill the newly appointed chief of the resistance group’s political bureau – who they call the “mastermind” of the Operation Al-Aqsa Flood that launched on 7 October. 
Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz said the decision was “yet another compelling reason to swiftly eliminate him and wipe this vile organization off the face of the earth.” 
The spokesman for the Israeli army, Daniel Hagari, said “there is only one place for Yahya Sinwar and that is next to Muhammad Deif and all the terrorists who are responsible for October 7. This is the only place we are preparing and designating for him,” adding that “the hunt for Sinwar will not stop until we catch him, dead or alive.” […]
resistance-axis-praises-choice-of-yahya-sinwar-as-new-hamas-leader
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USUK are bombing Yemen pretty hard. (I don’t get it. Why are the Houthis and all them so against our offers of democracy and freedom? We wrote the offers in plain English right there on the fucking bombs before we dropped them. Jeez.)
https://news.antiwar.com/2024/08/06/us-airstrikes-pound-yemen-as-region-is-on-brink-of-major-war/
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Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich ordered the seizure of 100 million shekels ($26 million) of tax funds intended for the Palestinian Authority (PA), saying the funds would instead support Israeli victims of “terrorism”.
It is the latest withholding of duties for the PA, which exercises limited autonomy in parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, since Israel’s war on Gaza began in October.[…]
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-orders-seizure-26-million-palestinian-tax-funds
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Kellyanne Conway Registers as Foreign Agent of Ukraine
State of the Union: The former Trump advisor will lobby for U.S. politicians to attend a conference hosted by a Clinton-connected Ukrainian oligarch.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/kellyanne-conway-registers-as-foreign-agent-of-ukraine/

Posted by: teri | Aug 7 2024 16:46 utc | 355

Tony 252
Trump told his followers that London is an Islamist city. Islamism serves the Global Elite, destroying nations and changing them over to the ownership of Global Capitalists.
You must be living outside the nest of spies in Central London where the Islamists live.
You must also be living outside North London where all the Zionists live.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 16:56 utc | 356

Jane @942
The goings-on in Sami country relate to major U.$. air-bases and such being developed in Norway’s far north, very close to the Russian border. Those babies are totally capable of carrying nukes. Major provocation against a nation which has been invaded by Westerners for Centuries. Very disquieting. The current regime in Oslo are not Norsk nationalists. They are tools of the financier elite and take their orders like good servants.
Though several female relatives, both here in the Ruptured Republic and back in Norway have married Sami men. It must be those flashing dark eyes connecting with searching blue ones. That said, I’ve never been north of More/Nord Romsdalen in Norway and am quite ignorant of Kautokeino.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:58 utc | 357

” Katz “yet another compelling reason to swiftly eliminate him and wipe this vile organization which we in Likud sponsored for many years off …” 
The Globalists need enemies in order to instigate wars and buy up property cheap. Without enemies they would be broke. How many millions of dollars did Soros sink into teaching Ukrainians to hate Russia?

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 17:06 utc | 358

@Konami | Aug 7 2024 16:28 utc | 350

Thank you very much! This is highly appreciated.

You can find a lot more details here (in Norwegian language).

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 17:06 utc | 359

ZH has a posting up with a title show empire hubris
White House Believes Iran Backing Down From Israel Strike After Diplomatic ‘Blitz’
The quote

“It’s urgent that everyone in the region take stock of the situation, understand the risk of miscalculation, and make decisions that will calm tensions, not exacerbate them,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said following a meeting with Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong and Defense Minister Richard Marles.
“We’ve been engaged in intense diplomacy with allies and partners, communicating that message directly to Iran. We’ve communicated that message directly to Israel,” he described.

Washington’s willingness to flex its military muscles in the region may also be causing Iran to think twice, according to one senior Biden administration official, who told the Post that Iran “understands clearly that the United States is unwavering in its defense of our interests, our partners and our people.”

On Wednesday, in a fresh call with France’s Macron new Iranian President Pezeshkian has said that if Western countries are truly desirous of preventing war, they must force Israel to halt the “genocide” in Gaza and accept a ceasefire, state media reported.

There is a song written by Tom Petty titled I Won’t Back Down and it says you can line me up at the gates of hell but I won’t back down. Somebody should play that song to Blinken and tell him its a message from Iran

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2024 17:21 utc | 361

posted by Scorpion #331 “Russia, Iran, and China are right not to want war. But they have failed to understand that it is not their choice and that they are bringing on war by failing to stand up to Washington and Israel.”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2024/08/06/the-road-to-war/
Putin and Iran should heed the proverb, “He who hesitates is lost.”
But on the other hand, Iran is inflicting punishment without firing a shot because the anticipation alone is wreaking havoc on the global financial markets and the blame is directed at the US and Israel.

Posted by: Willow | Aug 7 2024 17:24 utc | 362

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2024 17:21 utc | 361
I think Tom Petty’s Won’t Back Down is one of the songs Blilnken played at his gig when he was in Keeeeeev a few weeks past.

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 7 2024 17:28 utc | 363

Giyane | Aug 7 2024 16:56 utc | 356
“Trump told his followers that London is an Islamist city. Islamism serves the Global Elite, destroying nations and changing them over to the ownership of Global Capitalists.”
wtf does Trump know about London???
Has he ever been here?
I have only been on one Protest March in London, 18 months after I sussed that Islamists did not do 9/11. I was protesting mainly about Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, and the fact that he wanted to, bomb Iraq to sh1t and (with the help of the American neocons)
To her credit, my Daughter was the next member of our Family, who skipped school, to go to the next major protest march in London, when Obama turned up. She did not dress like a hippie flower girl, She dressed like a Professional Photographer with her slightly modified Ben & Jerry’s ice cream badge – and got right to the front of the protest march..spinning round taking photographs of the riot police and the peaceful protestors…
Both sides were looking at her, as she more courage and embarrassed them..We cant beat the shit out of each other cos she looks like our little sister, and she might get hurt.
Basically she wanted top marks for her “A” Level in Photography with the Theme Discord. She had tried to fake it with her friends, but they coudn’t stop laughing

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 7 2024 17:51 utc | 364

The motives of the early British Zionists were, I think , political but emigres to Israel may have been religious. Likud is still doing the bidding of the US and UK against the wishes of the Israelis.. . .
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 14:35 utc | 327
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I have started reading Jeffries, Palestine: The Reality.
I believe it is available on the Internet Archive (not that I find this resource very easy to use . . . ). I am reading a paperback that i ordered from Amazon. It is called by many the best source on the subject—published in 1939, so the German-Jewish-genocide issue is just part of hte landscape—not THE WHOLE landscape. The exteme injustice and perfidy of the situation are easier to see clearly without having to peer through the “Holocaust” filter.
The Balfour Declaration was the product of two years of trans-Atlantic discussions, guided by Chaim Weizmann. There were lots of motives, and the Americans were also deeply involved (the American govt was already deeply “zionized”). The aim was always for a state.
The Zionists/Israelis never had any right whatsoever to Palestine, and they still don’t.
So what the Israelis or Israel “is meant to be” is totally irrelevant IMHO. And even thinking this way is a huge offense to Palestinians and also to Justice in the abstract. Because Israel was not meant to be. It is a highly artificial construct, cannot survive on its own, and should be either left to die of its own poison, or euthanized.
Personally I wish to see the Israelis driven out of that land and a reconquista by Pals from Gaza, Jordan, and the diaspora. Pre-Balfour Jewish Pals would be allowed back in.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 18:02 utc | 365

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 16:58 utc | 357
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Interesting info re marriages to Sami. It sounds as though this is very rare. I have read that the Samis are under a lot of pressure regarding their ability to continue their traditional lifestyle.
I know that in years past they used to have a big gathering around Easter in Kautokeino. An acquaintance from earlier times lives there, in the middle of the tundra. I have “traveled” there via Google Street View and it looks quite unappealing (to me)!!
BTW what does “ruptured republic” refer to?

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 18:12 utc | 366

In response to

I think Tom Petty’s Won’t Back Down is one of the songs Blilnken played at his gig when he was in Keeeeeev a few weeks past.
Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 7 2024 17:28 utc | 363

Nope…..Blinken played the Neil Young song Rockin in the free world

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2024 18:24 utc | 367

Blinken is definitely a example of the limits of ethnic nepotism.
By now everyone knows his step father was a self confessed – smuggler, pimp, and worse.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 7 2024 18:34 utc | 368

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 17:06 utc | 358
“The Globalists need enemies in order to instigate wars and buy up property cheap. Without enemies they would be broke. How many millions of dollars did Soros sink into teaching Ukrainians to hate Russia?”
Craig Murray likes Soros. I can’t get my head around that.
Meanwhile I have experienced the highest levels of Professionalism from Engineers who actually do a Real Job for a living.. I have never seen a team work so fast, even refuse a cup of coffee…
I had a very brief training as a spark and plumber, as I think you have.
Its the Sparks who said I can smell Gas.
Top Quality British Engineers 3 with a good sun tan.
Compare these guys with the water board – oh you got a leak mate?

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 7 2024 18:41 utc | 369

Western Ambassadors Boycott Nagasaki Memorial Event – Israel Not Invited
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjujqslcc

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 7 2024 18:43 utc | 370

Western Ambassadors Boycott Nagasaki Memorial Event – Israel Not Invited
Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 7 2024 18:43 utc | 370
What’s not to like?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 18:45 utc | 371

“Tommy Robinson” Is an sraeli Asset, Not an “English Patriot” video Richard Medhurst 4 minutes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rxhUb0bzchQ

Posted by: Exile | Aug 7 2024 18:49 utc | 372

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 18:12 utc | 366
The traditional lifestyle of the Sami, like indigenous peoples everywhere, is indeed
under pressure. I takes a huge area to raise reindeer and civilization creep is hacking
away at their ways.
I live in Tromsø. Every summer I go on a 200 kilometer hike across that tundra. It’s a lot of rock
walking and crossing fields of boulders but there’s an attraction that is probably similar to falling
in love with desert life.
Try this:norgeibilder which is like Google Earth. There’s
a click for English next to the log in top right(no log in required,btw). Try the 3D on the top menu.
The tilt/rotate/zooom tools top left are a little awkward but learnable. Check out Furuflaten and the Lyngsdalen valley. The entire Lyngen peninsula is gorgeous. The plateau(tundra) begins just east of there and extends all the way to Siberia.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 7 2024 18:53 utc | 373

Iran hesitated and lost. Egypt issued an advisory that airlines avoid flying in Iran airspace on Thursday. Does Egypt have intel Israel is about to launch a preemptive strike?

Posted by: Willow | Aug 7 2024 19:01 utc | 374

Cannot keep up with all, thoughts for this thread are not coherent enough to write down, a few clips on the region:
“Smotrich:
We have dozens of nuclear warheads spread throughout the country…”
Quoted as from MEObserver but cannot source.
“Saudi Foreign Ministry statement: The Deputy Foreign Minister confirms that the assassination of Haniyeh during his visit to Tehran is a flagrant violation of Iran’s sovereignty”
Egypt orders airline out of Iran 4a.m. to 7a.m
Long list of countries running evacuation flights from occupied territories … not large number of flights but as with much else, they don’t go to this level unless they feel sure of events.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 7 2024 19:08 utc | 375

…… “Smotrich: We have dozens of nuclear warheads spread throughout the country…”……
Comment – they really do fantasize about Masada 2.0

Posted by: Exile | Aug 7 2024 19:16 utc | 376

….. Iran hesitated and lost……
That’s not how a slow burn war of attrition works

Posted by: Exile | Aug 7 2024 19:18 utc | 377

So that confirms it then: The Zionist fifth column pulls the strings of Russia.
The Russian “Federation” is then merely a mirror image of the American Empire.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 7 2024 9:28 utc | 288
Putin’s current priority is a ceasefire and eventual peace treaty securing his territorial gains in Ukraine, and an end to international sanctions.
He is unlikely to do anything to alienate the West while he believes that outcome is possible.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 7 2024 19:22 utc | 378

George Galloway just said on his Mother of all Talk Shows that Scott Ritter’s home has been raided by the FBI and is sealed off.

Posted by: Lysias | Aug 7 2024 19:28 utc | 379

I am not sexist or racist, and if they have any sense, the next lot will send a pretty girl round on Friday Afternoon, cos my wife is away at some Sunflower Meet…
Yes, Sir, I can Strip Down your rather old British Boiler, and Clean it and make it like new – for £90 + VAT…
..But wouldn’t you Prefer a New Chinese Boiler, and I can come round whenever it fails (every few months) to Service it for You…
I said we have lived here since 1993, and our British Boiler, has never failed yet…It just needs a good clean
I will probably get a man as old as the Boiler who stripped it down and cleaned it last time.. You Still here – same Wife?
Yeh – Just need you here to test Everything and Sign it Off as Safe.
I have bought a new CO1 (Carbon Monoxide detector), cos my wife wants Double Glazing fitted All Round, and we do need lots of Air – Ventilation
CO2 – Carbon Dioxide not a Problem, nor the cats farts. but try explaining that to a Politician.

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Aug 7 2024 19:29 utc | 380

What this illustrates to me is a great insecurity and doubt about the legitimacy of the whole Zionist project, compensated for by rage. Think how you would feel if you put all this effort and expense into something, only to find out it was the wrong thing to do. Zionism is filled with self-loathing and self-hate that is projected onto others. . . .
Posted by: Cabe | Aug 7 2024 15:37 utc | 335
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Excellent observations!
Maybe the best arguing position is quite simple:
You know that you are in the wrong. You know that stealing is not right. You know that your excuses for stealing Palestine, extracted from some religious books, are absurd. You know that the whole Zionist project is based on lies, distortion, misrepresentations, perfidy, manipulation, and violence. You know that only some well-timed atrocities enabled you to play the victim and assert the “right” to inflict a horror on the Palestinian people.
Just admit it! You know this. Suppressing your knowledge of your guilt is killing you, sucking up your energy, creating genuine Jew-hatred—but the truth can no longer be concealed.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 7 2024 19:50 utc | 381

@381
Jane, but you look like just one more angry hateful ignorant goy.
It is possible that being hated brings a sense of security, because there is no question of having to trust those who hate you.
It also brings a sense of superiority, because those who hate can be said to have given in to base emotions.
It also provides justification, because those who hate can be labelled as a threat.
I am not sure zionists hate, or hate themselves. It is possible that they see themselves as historically or religiously justified and so have no need to hate to carry out their actions. It is possible they purposefully stir hatred in others as a form of management.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 7 2024 20:21 utc | 382

Nasrallah :

🇱🇧⚡️🏴‍☠️ Today, this Israeli who is threatening, roaring, and foaming..
In the north alone, there are chemical plants worth $31 billion, technology plants worth $76 billion, electricity plants worth $9 billion, food processing plants worth $12 billion…
It took 34 years to establish all this, all of this could be gone in one hour.. in one hour!

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/29846

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 20:35 utc | 383

“Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalmeh:
British aviation decides to stop all its activity over Lebanon and Iran”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 7 2024 20:47 utc | 384

🇮🇱 Israel’s Channel 12 in a poll:
Do you agree that a soldier is allowed to r**e a ‘terrorist’?
47% Yes
43% No
10% No answer
—> So roughly half of Israelis agree with sodomizing prisoners?

Screenshots can be found in this post.
Before you try the “not all Jews” nonsense, I argued in another comment thread recently that Israel is a Jewish state, and so the crimes against humanity of Israel are clearly crimes originating from Jews who claim to be practicing Judaism. To argue otherwise is to argue that Israel is NOT a Jewish state or that Judaism doesn’t see non-Jews as less non-human.
On another note, has anyone seen Bevin around? He seemed to be very reliable in defense of these rapists.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2024 21:18 utc | 385

Correction:
To argue otherwise is to argue that Israel is NOT a Jewish state.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2024 21:25 utc | 386

“Germany’s Lufthansa said Aug. 7 that it is suspending all flights to Tehran, Beirut, Amman, and Erbil, until Aug. 13.”
Correction Egypt 1am to 4pm 8th.
“Unusual Israeli flights over Lebanon” now reported (unusual meaning very unusual).
Will not guess that retaliation would be tonight… no point posting more similar either, which there is much of.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 7 2024 21:28 utc | 387

From Reuters
Egypt asks its airlines to avoid Iran airspace for three hours on Thursday
Stay tuned!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2024 21:28 utc | 388

Why doesn’t Russia sell Iran an S400 air defence system. The data they collect would be valuable for use against NATO weaponry.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 7 2024 21:33 utc | 389

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 7 2024 15:37 utc | 334
Thanks for your comment!

Posted by: Naive | Aug 7 2024 21:37 utc | 390

NOW HEAR THIS.
Update on planned ziofascist riot in Walthamstow London for today.
I have posted about the fake news that has been circulated and fear mongering by the starmztroopers government. This is what has happened so far today.
3 pm
About dozen
Or so police vans and TSG protectors
Shop windows being boarded up.
Macdonalds open doing great trade with double parked police vans.
Scaremongering.
Will be out with thousands of locals seeing if anyone stupid enough to threaten us or our properties.
8.30 pm. You should be able to see pictures of the turnout of locals. Beautiful.
It meant that even the riled up youth were unable to get into a froth. Majority reflected demographic. Many non Asian non Afro English.
Some Palestinian flags, good to see.
All beautiful and calm, carnival atmosphere at sunset.
Me in flip flops Ann shorts. 🙂
The fascists? Unless they were hiding and crawl out at midnight- didn’t have a chance. Didn’t see any groups or individuals protesting. There were some odd ones wandering around for couple days. Doing a recce I suppose.
We are not ready to be a fascist nation and this particular example proves it.
Their passage of more extreme policing laws is going to be a lot more challenged now.
We are not distracted from the zionazi Holocaust upon the Palestinians.
From the River to the Sea

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 7 2024 21:39 utc | 391

Posted by: Premind | Aug 7 2024 0:21 utc | 228
BTW, you are a liar. Nietzsche never did that.

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt.
You are just showing that you did not read Nietzsche.
LIAR.
Ad personam fallacy. You lost your temper. You lost.
Show us the texts.
You forgot the key word: “please”. You behave as if I am under your orders. I am not.
Typical lout behaviour.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 7 2024 22:05 utc | 392

It’s clear from speaker of Johnsons comments that any meaningful attack on Israel will evoke a declaration of war on Israel by the USA Congress. The first in a long time perhaps since the recent wars declared by executive branch a executive branch decision might be questioned considering the diminished capacity of Biden.
THis has a lot of implications. Let’s consider the macro. The war on Iran will begin with launching of tomahawks out of the two ohio class subs that happen to be in the area. They will attempt to negate the threat of anti ship missiles so the carrier groups can operate in some capacity.
The macro is the strait of Hormuz will close and stay closed. This will have a immediate and dramatic effect on all world economies. All energy inputs from Iraq Iran and say half of Saudi will cease to enter world economies.
The west is ready to do this now. That means they seek to transition their domestic societies to wartime basis now.
It appears that Russia and China dont want this just yet. We dont know. I’m just guessing that Irans response will be reserved.
If it doesn’t start now it will accelerate preparations for the world war. My guess is that Russia and China dont want Iran isolated and significant damage inflicted. Nor do I think they are ready to team without reserve with Iran. The mind boggling thing is the west is ready now.
If the west really wants it I dont see how it can be stopped. It will just take more overt action.
I’m sure Russia and China are weighing their actions carefully. Perhaps they are even in a bit of a period of acceptance like I am that rapid and dramatic change seems certain in the near future.
The closing of Hormuz will have incredible consequences. Preparing for those is a very hard task. IMO understanding the consequences is near impossible. It seems that those with the power to do so in have decided to institute this unprecedented period of change.
One could regard the horrific events in Gaza as the same as depopulation and resettlement events of the past. IMO as bizaare and disturbing as trying to accept that is what we are observing is even more disturbing. Europe has been cut off from Russian energy. Pandemic and “remedies”. What exactly these events spell for the future is beyond my capacity but it seems to me that they are fundamental violations of the period we have enjoyed where things like the magna carta created the possiblity of a world where human needs were valued. I’m afraid I must agree with the “dark future” analysis in the overall if not in specifics. My analysis would be very very very dark future and it it is desired to start the process now by powers that are murky at best. A hail Mary by a west incompetent to see outcomes? Perhaps. Perhaps not. These are very complex events we witness. IMO they may exceed definition by our understandings.

Posted by: bye | Aug 7 2024 22:06 utc | 393

LoveDonbass 386
Jews lie and Jewish propaganda breaks the Lieometers. Is this tripe not an fake appeal to democracy, that half of Jews think it’s OK.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel for Nazis to appeal to democracy. Hang on . I think Hitler did that.
For myself , I don’t believe a word of this poll. Just blag.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 22:10 utc | 394

bye 393
Johnson calls on Biden to release weapons to Israel following rocket attack on US base
BY EMILY BROOKS AND LAURA KELLY 08/06/24 10:00 AM ET
Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is seen during a post-meeting press conference at the Capitol on Tuesday, July 23, 2024.
Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) called on President Biden to release weapons to Israel after a suspected rocket attack injured several U.S. service members on the Al-Asad Airbase in Iraq.
“After repeated attacks on American troops in the region, and while Israel is under threat from Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran, the U.S. cannot hesitate to defend our servicemembers and our ally,” Johnson said in a Tuesday statement. 
He added that any attack by Iran against Israel or the U.S. should be “met with decisive force,” with the U.S. and its allies in the region working to “strongly counter Iran and its terror proxies to send a clear message against these malign activities.”
That’s hilarious, whose country do these clowns think they are living in, that they call an attack on a US base in Iraq an attack on the US?
At least he can speak, so I suppose he is fulfilling one aspect of his job.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 22:30 utc | 395

On another note, has anyone seen Bevin around? He seemed to be very reliable in defense of these rapists.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2024 21:18 utc | 385
———-
I don’t remember Bevin defending rapists.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 7 2024 22:44 utc | 396

@393
“These are very complex events we witness. IMO they may exceed definition by our understandings.”
Although various forms of management are visible, it is not possible to say if they are shared, hierarchical in some way, and to what ends they work, whether seperately or combined.
If we came to the modern world from the 15th century it would seem a strange place. Similarly, the ideas being implemented now are ‘from’ hundreds of years into the future, by people who do not view the world the way most people do. Some will not even view mankind as worthy, while others will see global governance by whatever means as essential to direct and save mankind. Others might picture a world for themselves only. These are just examples of the kinds of forces or influences that might actually be at play, and so we are helpless to understand them properly, as usually they are not clearly declared or appear tentative.
For those who might think of that as far fetched, would they not also think that even events of the last hundred years would have been unimaginable the century before that ?
People tend to think that everything happens ‘out there’ , is managed by ‘up there’ , but the reality is that what goes on in the world also will find its way to their lives, and sometimes will demand that they act in return.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 7 2024 22:52 utc | 397

Though I said I would not post more on retaliation, excuse …
“GazaNewsNow
Iranian media:
Because of the large military maneuver; We advise airlines to avoid our airspace in the coming hours.”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 7 2024 23:10 utc | 398

Ornot 397
One big mistake of our unspiritual age is the concept that AI can mimic the logical side of human communication , when the intelligence of the heart, the seat of the soul, of faith of conscience , of humanity itself, is by far the largest part of Human intercourse.
Politicians now parrot cyber-speak , completely void of any relevance, except to justify their financial remuneration because they have opened an orifice and spoke tripe.
Mock AI is now understood to be highest wisdom. Like your electric consumes no diesel, your modern politician consumes no humane intelligence. Because as we all know humanity is a dwindling resource.
Humanity security can only be secured by eliminating consumers of the scarce resource of Faith. Then there will be more Faith to share around the rest of us . Don’t worry, in the
15th century belief in the Oneness of God was punishable by death in Britain. We’re making progress.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 7 2024 23:25 utc | 399

Couple of people have asked about the red heifers – I’ve been wondering what happened with that, too.
Turns out the Israeli magicians are practicing the Dread Ritual currently. (“Where’s the eye of newt, Reb Schmalzy?”)
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-practise-red-heifer-ritual-al-aqsa

Posted by: teri | Aug 7 2024 23:36 utc | 400