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August 6, 2024
Gaza As A New(?) Western Method To Wage War

We have seen a myriad of reports about systematic torture and murder in Israeli concentration camps, aka prisons, for Palestinians.

These reports come even from prime media which generally serve as outlets of the ruling class. There are by now so many of these reports that there is no doubt that they are real.

However there have been no political consequences from those reports. I have also not seen or heard any western politician or any editorials condemning the Israel over these reports. To my best knowledge no western country has punished the Zionist government over such behavior.

This even as it is obvious who the main people responsible for this are. Everyone knows and talks about them:

Musa ‘Aasi, a 58-year-old painter-decorator and father of four, said he heard guards beat 38-year-old Tha’er Abu ‘Asab to death in a neighbouring cell at Ketziot in November. One guard told 50-year-old Firas Hassan, from Bethlehem: “We are livestreaming this for Ben-Gvir”.

Ben Gvir’s spokesperson said the minister was “proud” of his prison policy, and that it was in line with international law. “The conditions of the terrorists imprisoned in Israeli prisons have been tightened to the minimum required by law. In accordance with the minister’s policy, the terrorists do not receive the improved conditions they received in the past,” they said.

The Guardian fails to refute those lies from Ben Gvir's spokesperson.

The Palestinians will continue to be tortured and killed. And all their families – in fact – every Palestinian in Gaza shall be killed:

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich implies he believes that blocking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip is “justified and moral” even if it causes 2 million civilians to die of hunger, adding however that the international community won’t allow this to happen.

“We are bringing in aid because there is no choice,” Smotrich says at a conference in Yad Binyamin hosted by the Israel Hayom outlet. “We can’t, in the current global reality, manage a war. Nobody will let us cause 2 million civilians to die of hunger even though it might be justified and moral until our hostages are returned. Humanitarian in exchange for humanitarian is morally justified, but what can we do? We live today in a certain reality, we need international legitimacy for this war.”

As no one, Smotrich claims, will let the Zionist kill 2 million civilians by hunger at once, it must be done slowly. By now some 10% of the once 2.3 million people in Gaza are likely already dead – killed by bombs or by the consequences of the war the Zionist are waging against them.

Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon, a former Chief of Staff of the IDF, who also served as Israel’s Defence Minister, is quoted by Alastair Crooke as saying this.

“When you talk about Smotrich and Ben Gvir: They have a Rabbi. His name is Dov Lior. He is the Rabbi of the Jewish Underground, who intended to blow up the Dome of the Rock – and before that the buses in Jerusalem. Why? In order to hurry up the ‘Last War’. Do you [not] hear them talking in terms of the Last War; or of Smotrich’s concept of ‘subjugation’? Read the article he published in Shiloh in 2017. First of all, this concept rests on Jewish supremacy: Mein Kampf in reverse”.

Smotrich and Ben Gvir are sitting right in the cabinet. But has any western country even blocked their travel or entry or sanctioned them?

Why is this allowed to happen?

Back in February Tarik Cyril Amar found this explanation.

The Gaza Method
The West’s evolving blueprint for controlling a poly-crisis world by mass-murdering and subjugating the poor, the rebellious, and those deemed “superfluous.”

The non-paywalled full text is available here.

The West is in decline and it has only one method left to delay it – brute force.

All of the above means that the West is left with one option: the hardest of powers, if the dumbest, too: military force. And that is where the Gaza Genocide precedent fulfills its most important function as method-setting and method-“normalizing.” In a very concrete way, too: For since the 1990s (at the latest), Western militaries – with the US in the lead, obviously – have been thinking intensely about fighting in cities.

You see where this has been going, right? To Gaza. Gaza is not the first but, for now, the worst instance of a doctrinal body of pseudo-technical and rationally vicious thought coming into practice: How to subdue the cities of the Global South (and the poor in general, make no mistake, Northerners), by all and any means. And for this type of very-near/present future warfare everywhere, humanitarian law as we know it – with all its immense flaws – is still too “soft,” too restraining. The same holds, of course, for our notions of crimes against humanity, including genocide.

He concludes:

Gaza is a method. A Western method. Fascist, Zionist, apartheid, sadistic Israel is a pioneer, a trailblazer into yet more evil to be done from those above to those below. That is why those above will shield Israel. They are shielding themselves and their future deeds.

I was in doubt about this theory when I first read it. But by now I think that the elite are really planing like this. It is the only explanation that makes sense and it also consistent and fits with their increasing endorsement of pure fascism be it in Israel or in Ukraine.

Comments

The elites of the West have almost complete power in their countries because the “experiment” (by historical standards) of democracy as an ideal has failed.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 6 2024 16:12 utc | 64
The experiment of ‘democracy’ as defined by the west has succeeded. The whole business was psyop from the beginning run by the Masons on behalf of the emerging bourgeoisie to free THEM of the ‘oppression’ of feudal constraints on commerce. It was the invention of a new religion to get the masses to worship their masters. The Heaven On Earth of ‘Freedom’ and ‘Equality’ by the mechanism of voting for one’s rulers. Americans and Europeans adhere to this religion with fanatical zeal, although it does nothing but amplify and consolidate the power of their oppressors. There’s an entirely different kind of democracy at work in some other parts of the world, which doesn’t define ‘Freedom’ as the sacred right of an individual to do anything he wants in his own interest. China, for example, has parallel hierarchical ‘voting’ that includes local elections, elections of higher officials by lower level officials, and vetting of candidates by a ‘people’s Party’ that has proven its dedication to the welfare of its people. Iran shares the attribute of having a parallel MORAL hierarchy- in that case religious- that keeps the elected hierarchy within certain bounds. The west has lost its centers of moral leadership, they have been fragmented, penetrated and suborned by the bourgeoisie.
I’m not enthusiastic about an American Theocracy to restore some kind of moral center- I’m pretty sure it would be just another form of particularly ugly fascism- but America and the west have to find some kind of shared moral/ethical framework that is fundamentally grounded in the protection of the working class and the stability of society. Whatever that turns out to be, it won’t allow the continuation of unbridled capitalism, and unbridled capitalism will therefore do everything in its power to prevent it arising.
Personally, I favor Confucianism with American Characteristics, that is, an ethically coherent meritocracy grounded in social, rather than individual, well-being. USA has long claimed to be a meritocracy, but the measure of merit has always been wealth. Maybe we can make ethical merit the primary consideration.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 6 2024 17:27 utc | 101

Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2024 17:19 utc | 96
‘Civilization’ up to WWII and the advent of nuclear weapons was the age of empires. Since then, much of the world has changed. The underlying premise of communism that all are equal vs the nuclear weapon. RoW understands this fact. The elite of this Westphalian world do not. This fading dying empire of lies that most here live within…. The last empire from the age of empires.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 17:30 utc | 102

Can there be any useful resistance on the internet? The big moves with social media over the past 10-15 years have all been to turn it more and more directly, into an arm of US government and its minions.
We use it now as a semi-public forum to discuss the issue of oppression, but will it do any good? Are we just drawing targets on our backs? The aliases and tags aren’t going to fool big brother. It is definitely a global problem, but how does one frame a global solution?

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Aug 6 2024 17:33 utc | 103

motorslug@1556
Oldhippie lives in Chicagwa…one of the several bellies of the Beast. That mess is currently ruled by no fewer than TWO Talmudist Crime Clans. Lesser of the pair includes the current Gubernator of Ill-Noise. That Clan also has Rahm Emanuel as one of its prime minions. Remember that guy? I still possess a front-page photo of Obaminable standing at a lectern, flanked by some of his cabinet flunkies. Standing arms akimbo in front of the whole shebang is none other than Obaminable and Big Mike’s monitor…Rahm Emanuel.
On the other hand this probably even older hippie lives in the Northwoods of ManySnowta, a scene where the majority of local “criminals” are drunk drivers slowly tooling home from bar-hopping on late-night quiet country roads where their greatest probable danger is missing a curve and landing in a ditch…or running into one of those bam-bam-bambis striding slowly across the road.
Gotta give O.H. some sweet-cred for his ongoing courage of dwelling in that probable MadMax scenario…takes more guts than I got.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:37 utc | 104

Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 6 2024 17:26 utc | 100
I saw something earlier about china being ready to weigh in physically if the US and their proxies attacked Iran. I’m not up to tracking that down and verifying it, but that is very much where the world is at now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 17:37 utc | 105

The soul of the west is at stake in Gaza.
Posted by: Mike Price | Aug 6 2024 17:12 utc | 94
The soul of the West has been exposed by its hypocrisy over Gaza, and revealed to be decayed and wasted by Zionism’s promotion of endless consumerism, debt slavery and media manipulation of the non-Zionists.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 6 2024 17:40 utc | 106

peterAU@1612
Gotta hand it to you. For a self-convicted homophobe (an Aussie fixation?) sometimes you make real sense.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:41 utc | 107

oldhippie@1535
True dat. Some folks still believe that the opposite of love is hatred. Not so. Hatred is a mere derivative. FEAR is the means by which those “elites” rule. So of course they select probable psychopaths and sadists to control the people.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:24 utc | 97
Right on.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 6 2024 17:42 utc | 108

re: China
I also read/heard rumours that they are sending warships to the Med/Red seas ‘to protect shipping’ but can’t recall where. Let’s hope they have several thousand hypersonic missiles they can drop off in Iran or Yemen.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 6 2024 17:44 utc | 109

…. the elite are really planning like this. It is the only explanation that makes sense and it also consistent and fits with their increasing endorsement of pure fascism be it in Israel or in Ukraine.” (b)
Palestine is a glimpse of the dystopic future that awaits us
AI-powered human extermination is no longer science fiction. It is the reality.
[…] For many people in the world, the genocide in Gaza may seem like a faraway tragedy – one that cannot happen to them. But these killing and surveillance technologies Israel is testing on the Palestinians are up for sale. And many governments and non-state actors have their eyes on them. […]
As I lay next to my two sleeping girls, I fear for their future. I fear that not enough of us are willing to see reality for what it is and take a stance now before it is too late, before the whole world slips down the path towards Gaza.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/6/palestine-is-a-glimpse-of-the-dystopic-future-that-awaits-us

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 6 2024 17:47 utc | 110

aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:41 utc | 107
Self convicted?
I don’t much care if in your private life you shag a consenting jack donkey…. though it would be best to keep your working gear out of the firing line if the jack donkey decides he does not consent.
What you do and say publicly… well that’s another matter.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 17:49 utc | 111

Peter AU1 ( Aug 6 2024 17:30 utc | 102):
It would certainly be nice if it was the last empire.
However once upon a time the first world war was named (among other things) “the last war” (some would have meant “most recent” and some would have meant “final”) or “the war to end all wars”…
Humans are stubborn 🙂 (and everyone secretly enjoys ideas of empire as long as it’s their own?).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2024 17:53 utc | 112

Canuck@1628
Thanks for sharing that superb analysis and conceptualization of Moscow as the Third Rome. This concept fits in quite well with prophecies of both Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce…that Russia as a spiritualized nation would ultimately become the “savior of the world”.
That also segues well with my current proposition is that the “Second Coming” would NOT be individually actualized; rather by means of a heightened spiritual and dimensional growing awareness by millions of individuals. That concept is based upon a 1906 book titled “Cosmic Consciousness”.
Ultimately we arrive at the gnosis by seers and the insightful from over the ages…where the Sages are also star and planet watchers to the point where they millennia ago conceptualized astrology as a means of scrying out deeper levels of consciousness and reality. Here we arrive at the last stages of the corrupted Age of Pisces as we are now at the cusp of the Aquarian Age…but perhaps more plangently, we are now beyond the Mayan 2012 realizations that uplifting changes would occur due to that year’s initiation of the full collapse of the Kali Yuga…the Epoch of debilitation, devastation, destruction, devolution…AND the rule from self-appointed elites.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:55 utc | 113

@ Don Firineach | Aug 6 2024 17:47 utc | 110
Excellent Al Jazeera essay — thanks for sharing it!

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2024 17:56 utc | 114

My view is that the US empire became more willing to use brute force after the USSR went round the U-bend of history. The revival of Russian sovereignty and military power is bringing this period to an end but American Caesar is accelerating Operation Bloodbath to get as much out of it as possible before the decent people of the world end it.

Posted by: Squeeth | Aug 6 2024 17:57 utc | 115

js@1630
Insightful take on Covid and the why-for of that assault on humanity. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:58 utc | 116

Why is this allowed to happen?
Complete and total success by the Zionists in building their networks in the Region and the West. Its not a conspiracy, its a long term plan. The goal is the Third Temple. The ultimate goal of Masonry is building that Third Temple as well. There are many other occult societies on that road and in that web. Skull and Bones to name just one. Its an endless list tying together many power structures in the Region and the West.
The Palestinians are in the way. The regional players will do just enough to save face with their populations and no more. It is all quite obvious if anyone cares to look. If it goes to print then that person is in big trouble if it gains traction.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 6 2024 17:59 utc | 117

Excellent Al Jazeera essay — thanks for sharing it!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2024 17:56 utc | 114
There’s a reason ALJz is banned in zionaziland, they have proven themselves to be one of the only international news orgs to speak the truth.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 6 2024 17:59 utc | 118

Can there be any useful resistance on the internet?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Aug 6 2024 17:33 utc | 103
no
internet is not real world.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 6 2024 18:00 utc | 119

Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2024 17:53 utc | 112
I’ve read a lot of history. The visions for the future that Russia and China put up are quite different. The multi-polar world rather than a world of empires. And they both very much walk the talk. As great powers though, they can and will face down the westphalian empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 18:01 utc | 120

arch bungle@1638
Thanks for sharing those insights by Calgachus regarding the horrors of Imperialist Rome.
Ironically, the greatest of all Roman Emperors was their ultimate peacemaker, Hadrian. That far-seeing man called a halt to imperial expansion after his predecessors forces had overextended to the point where the Persians defeated them massively.
Some years later, Hadrian…who in the minds of deracinated Westerners would be described as a “Pedophile”…actually a Pederast, as Antinous was well into his teens, definitely not a child…built that famous wall which still bears his name.
The fortified stone-wall, much, much shorter than the Chinese one, delineated the outermost limits of the Empire by keeping the Empire limited to the southern half of Britain and the Scots finally free to be themselves…until the time of the Normans, whose Viking ancestors would probably have blanched at the very thought of their adhesion to the then latest iteration of Rome…that being “Holy” Mother Church.
Yes, the driving force behind the Viking incursions was precipitated by the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne’s destruction of the previously pagan and free Old Saxons. The cultural war was on for a couple hundred years, when the Longships raided both Crosstian and Imperialistic entities.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 18:10 utc | 121

To add to what Peter AU1 posted @105, the Chinese know war with the Empire of Delusions is inevitable. They’ve been trying for decades to find a way out of the impending collision, but there is none. Also note that China is densely populated. It wouldn’t take much to inflict horrific casualties on their population. The Empire has no qualms about slaughtering millions (nothing personal, it’s just business), so the Chinese are desperate to arrange for the inevitable war to happen somewhere else. One possible battlefield that the Chinese have prepared is the South China Sea, but the Persian Gulf or the Red Sea would work too.
Basically, the chances of the Chinese navy engaging the Empire in the Middle East is almost certainly higher than it might otherwise appear.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 6 2024 18:16 utc | 122

I’ve said it a thousand times – and I’ll say it again, the Zionists genocide of the Palestinians will only be stopped by force – all the talking in the world won’t change Netanyahu’s mind he has the backing of the USA the UK and German governments to continue.
One possible solution is for the half- decent Israeli’s (if there are any) is to storm the Knesset and take control back before its too late – but they’d better get a move on as time is running out to stop a regional war – where Israel will surely be destroyed.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 6 2024 18:16 utc | 123

Why is this allowed to happen?
<=The answer is obvious. It is because the oil and gas beneath the seas and the lands of the Ottoman empire are worth more to those who currently hold the reins of power than are the lives anyone.. Its all 100% about money. The Levantine Reserve and the successful elimination Russia from the Western energy markets have energized those who expect to profit to make a full go of it, they own and control the media and the governments so the governed of these nations remain in the dark or they are summarily eliminated. BTW, the oil and gas industry imposed WWI and WWII on the world because they wanted the oil and gas beneath the Ottoman empire.

Posted by: snake | Aug 6 2024 18:16 utc | 124

Honzo@1727
“Confucianism with American Characteristics”. Liking that.
Meritocracy at the national level was the political essence of the Celestial Kingdom throughout its infusion throughout Chinese cultural reality. We could sure use that here, rather than the Talmudist Bank$ters and the Ivy League “Legacy” types like Bu$h the Lesser and even his father Daddy WarBu$h…both of the Skull n’ Bones at Yale.
FUCK the Ivy League types. They make up most of the administrative bureaucracy in the Di$trict of Corruption as well as in other corrupted institutions.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 18:16 utc | 125

About “the soul of the west” talk I disagree.
It is about the soul of all of humanity, not just this or that group.
Russia, China, Iran, and the rest of any power that exists can not just simply point at the US and/or the EU, the UK, and so on and say it’s all on them because those are somehow closer and more directly involved (which is true in some ways).
It is not a valid argument. No, instead it is a poor excuse, and still invalid as an excuse.
The invalid argument/excuse is no different from that of a bystander with a loaded gun pointing to and blaming someone who gave a psychopath a knife while the same psychopath is repeatedly stabbing the victim right in front of them.
I’m tired of hearing this shit seeing as how it has been repeated for ten months now.
Intervene!
Not only is it an invalid argument but it also reeks of the slapdash Soviet-style manipulation of past times where everything is extremely conveniently the fault of the same things over and over and over and never with any kind of provided insight or nuance or any hint of sincerity.
Exactly the same kind of thing that one repeatedly sees from US/”western” propaganda only with replaced/inverted culprits (usually “Russia”, “China”, “Iran”, and “North Korea”).
It’s the worst joke and it falls into the “Cold War 2” bucket of bullshit.
Not good enough! No sale! Not interested in that shit!
The powers that be can (finally) use the power they have to stop “Israel” or condemn themselves into the irrelevant impotence and worthlessness they proudly proclaim!
Someone will eventually be willing to replace such deliberate ineptitude and then they will be forgotten. Doesn’t matter if it takes thousands of years.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2024 18:17 utc | 126

(1) We could argue that if the Arab Revolt against the already shambolic and soon to collapse Ottoman Empire hadn’t happened to assist British operations in the Middle East, Zionist immigration to Palestine and the creation of the state of Israel might never have happened.
(2) What motivated the Arab Revolt? British gold, and self serving double dealing between the Arabs themselves.. . .
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 6 2024 16:21 utc | 68
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We could argue all kinds of things, but I am not going there.
The premise of my comment was that the growth of Arab nationalism (as I read the chapter on this subject in Mansfield, The Arabs) in numerous quarters of the Ottoman Empire in the latter half of the 19th C had as an underlying theme getting/keeping Europe out of Middle Eastern affairs.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 18:18 utc | 127

For the next two thousand years the European Jews will be hunted to extinction as they were for the last two thousand years.
Except that in the coming two millenia there will be no empathy remaining, no lifeline and tolerance for another “Zionism”.
(I do not wish this upon them, but this is the natural consequence of their actions and the consequence will be borne by the innocent and guilty alike.)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 6 2024 14:07 utc | 2
“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”
“Kill them. The Lord knows those that are his own”
Applied to adherents of Catharism, The Cathars. 12th century to the 14th century when the last Cathar was burned at the stake by the Roman church.
I did not like that bit of history at all. Catharism was a Christian sect or an idea. Not a nationality.
Zionism is an idea that is the negative as opposed to the positivity of Cathar agnostics.
Lets do it to the Zionists. Start with the Rothschilds and Soros.
Get the dickheads in Israel next, the european and the american zionists Work down from there until the last Zionist is burned at the stake made out of broom handles.
Save Anthony Housefather for the final one.

Posted by: Angelo | Aug 6 2024 18:19 utc | 128

Gerry Bell @1733
Fear not. There are Faaaar more of us than there are of them. Awakeners are the emerging majority…right across the planet. Because of deliberate dumbing down of the populace via the edjumacasional system and Boobtoob Idiocy…most particularly the evening Noose…the American public are the slowest to awaken. However, the politicization of human liberty is the precious heritage of We The People. Mind you, the ruling “elite” are becoming extremely nervous lately. Wonder why.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 18:21 utc | 129

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 6 2024 14:07 utc | 2
I will make this prophecy:
For the next two thousand years the European Jews will be hunted to extinction as they were for the last two thousand years.
Except that in the coming two millenia there will be no empathy remaining, no lifeline and tolerance for another “Zionism”.
(I do not wish this upon them, but this is the natural consequence of their actions and the consequence will be borne by the innocent and guilty alike.)

That is not justice for the victims of crimes against humanity in Israeli prisons. That is also not natural. No sane person seeked the extermination of all German and Japanese people after World War II.

Posted by: Inka | Aug 6 2024 18:22 utc | 130

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 15:59 utc | 58
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well, one of the fat vaccine fellers (maybe a Swiss) stated clearly on video taken at some conference that the mRNA “vaccines” were gene therapy, but if the public had been told this they never would have accepted the jabs as “vaccines.”
I have the link on my hard drive but I don’t have time to look for it as I have hundreds of links related to covid-19.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 18:24 utc | 131

vargas@1800
Do you resent or resemble the $enile One for wearing Depends?

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 18:26 utc | 132

B’Tselem.org is a reliable source, because n some ways Israel is much more free than the west.

Posted by: Polli | Aug 6 2024 18:28 utc | 133

Why is this allowed to happen?
Because Hitler left a pile of shoes

Posted by: My Comment | Aug 6 2024 18:35 utc | 134

All of the above means that the West is left with one option […] Western militaries – with the US in the lead, obviously – have been thinking intensely about fighting in cities.
Gaza is a method. A Western method. Fascist, Zionist, apartheid, sadistic Israel is a pioneer, a trailblazer into yet more evil to be done from those above to those below. That is why those above will shield Israel. They are shielding themselves and their future deeds.

Don’t doubt that this IS the method. The Final Solution has grown up: now all-encompassing, it’s the Hobbesian war of all against all, though the aggressors are a tiny parasitic group that nonetheless controls all levers of power. This is the aristocracy’s only solution for biosphere collapse and all that follows from it: famine, unsurvivable weather, breakdown of everything. They believe they can hide in their posh bunkers and just wait it out. I don’t think so, but they’ll cause a lot of damage first.

Posted by: D | Aug 6 2024 18:39 utc | 135

Constantine @1652
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the British installed Hashemite regime in Jordan is in the crosshairs.
Could be that a popular uprising by the Palestinian majority in that tortured land would be supported by Iraqi militias and perhaps even airlifted Yemeni fighters. . .
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 17:06 utc | 91
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To me that seems to be the lowest-hanging fruit in terms of a regime change that could change the whole board.
Queen Rania is Palestinian, and a very effective advocate for Palestinians, at least in speeches that I have seen.
I wonder what she would do if her husband’s govt came under serious pressure from local Palestinians.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 18:41 utc | 136

This thread is about tyranny in general. I resisted getting distracted by Musk in the Palestine thread.
I worked for six months in an office, and it showed me how corrupt even a tiny, Muslim pseudo Halal business thinks.
In the name of food security , cheap chicken is flown from Thailand, even tho’ England can grow chickens. Cheap Polish produce is driven 4000 Mike’s round-trip from Poland even tho’ England makes veg cheese.
The purpose is to increase the capital value of land bought dirt cheap in cheap in Central Europe and Ukraine risks being the same.
So Musk and his dangerous electric vehicles with dangerous Lithium batteries is NOT saving the planet, because England in particular steals Kurdish Oil andcwastes it unnecessarily on fleets of planes and lorries because it’s FREE.
Allen the name of food security , energy security and political security. That is why the rich hate free speech , because their schemes and ideas are purely for their own pockets, with sickening quantities of specious lies.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 6 2024 18:45 utc | 137

No sane person seeked the extermination of all German and Japanese people after World War II.
Posted by: Inka | Aug 6 2024 18:22 utc | 130
While that is mostly true, a good portion of those responsible were punished for their crimes – instead of given thunderous applause and billions of dollars to continue.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 6 2024 18:48 utc | 138

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/06/israels-barbarism-is-grossly-minimised/
The fatality figures started to stall in the spring, around the time Israel completed its destruction of Gaza’s hospitals and kidnapped much of the enclave’s medical personnel, writes Jonathan Cook.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 6 2024 18:50 utc | 139

motorslug @ 56 / oldhippie #42

It sound like you live in a real-life version of Clockwork Orange!

oldhippie gets cops. We all live in a real-life version of Clockwork Orange you’re just not tuned in enough to see it. The cops are there to keep the poor from killing the rich, except the effete elites can’t do the job themselves and they must recruit from the poor and working class, you need a certain type of dullard to do the job, one who gains personal satisfaction through others’ pain – it’s the actual bond that unites the thugs and elites.
Look at the cops as the territorial defense force aligned against the people, if breeched then comes the national guard, and then the army with bombers and tanks lays waste. It’s all one force and it’s not there to protect you.
Here’s one for oldhippie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwkVMT6m7zg

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 6 2024 18:50 utc | 140

Or in the US. So proud to be an American. /S

Posted by: So | Aug 6 2024 18:51 utc | 141

Jane@131 Changes in genes are absolutely essential to the normal operation of the cells of the immune system. Somatic hypermutation is how the B cells create a wide variety of proteins to detect foreign antigens. The differentiation of T cells requires alteration of gene expression in response to antigens. Alteration of gene expression is one aspect of gene therapy. (There is also introduction of a novel gene into the nucleus, but that’s not what mRNA vaccines do!) On a genetic level, mechanically, what mRNA does is no different from what any foreign antigen does when it modifies the gene expression of B and T cells.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 18:54 utc | 142

63, 16:12 utc
“Erdogan, Modi…. they are both wild cards. Wiley players playing both sides. When push comes to shove, what side of the fence they land on is anyones guess.”
Whatever they do decide will be ephemeral. They are unreliable and untrustworthy. It is the nature of ‘sitting on the fence’. Another word is opportunist; again, unreliable, a changeling, totally fluid morals and situational ethics.

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Aug 6 2024 18:57 utc | 143

Qassam Ambushes Destroys Two Troop Carriers, Tanks in Rafah, Khan Yunis – DETAILS

(excerpt)… The Al-Qassam Brigades announced on Monday that it detonated two anti-personnel and anti-vehicle devices in an Israeli engineering force in the area of Zalata and that it had killed and wounded a number of Israeli soldiers.
It also announced two similar operations east of Khan Yunis and in the neighborhood of Tel Al-Hawa southwest of Gaza City.
For its part, Israeli media reported a “difficult security incident” in Rafah, while Army Radio said seven soldiers were wounded in an explosion in the southern Gaza Strip, 4 of them in serious condition.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/qassam-ambushes-destroys-two-troop-carriers-tanks-in-rafah-khan-yunis-details/
Comment – video embedded
Merkava tally remains at 208 “destroyed”

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2024 18:58 utc | 144

Live feed from Palestine Chronicle suggests (perhaps) a significant escalation has started today….scroll through the incidents and judge for yourself. tBD
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gaza-live-blog-major-ambush-in-rafah-flying-object-over-israel-russia-steps-in-day-305/

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2024 19:03 utc | 145

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 6 2024 16:23 utc | 70
The third Rome is Moscow:
“The idea of “Moscow – Third Rome” is a unique phenomenon in Russian religious culture. It is the idea that the Russian state, represented by Moscow, is the “Third Rome” that succeeded Rome and Constantinople and has a mission to save the world. Although this idea was initially a religious doctrine, the consciousness of Russian nationalism and the universalist mission of salvation extended from this idea have been deeply embedded in the Russian national character and way of thinking through the efforts of Russian intellectuals. Since the 21st century, the thought of “Moscow – Third Rome” has been closely integrated with politics and gradually became one of the primary ideological sources of contemporary Russian geopolitical theory. The purpose of this study is to investigate the concept of “Moscow – the Third Rome” in relation to the genesis of Russian civilization. Because of that, traditional methods of historical research were used along with the theory of civilizations, the development of systems, and national archetypes. The article reconstructs the main components of the theory “Moscow—the Third Rome” and its contextualization is carried out within the framework of various periods of Russian and world history. The author concludes that the special messianic role and significance of Russia in world history may be seen as the archetype of Russian national identity.” (1)
1.https://advance.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.31124/advance.24306514.v1
Posted by: canuck | Aug 6 2024 16:28 utc | 72
Really hope not, some of my indicators do point out to late holders of the western empire, but sharing the cycle with great britain and doomed to end before the end of the century.
In that case I would be less tempted to place the US as a Constantinople and more as the active descendants of the vandals (after they neutered the real ones in two world wars) invading at will since 1991 (a bit like the vandals from the 380’s onward)
I still have some indicators that they might have more hun/siberian than roman in them and it’s their time.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 6 2024 19:05 utc | 146

Excellent Al Jazeera essay — thanks for sharing it!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2024 17:56 utc | 114
You are welcome. It is very appropriate for this post.
The level of surveillance noted of the Palestinians is the highest in human history.
“Don’t fancy that Palestinian Bibi? – “Will I hit the ‘delete’ button?”
Sums it up.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 6 2024 19:08 utc | 147

@ steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 14:48 utc | 19
“The uprising in Gaza was similar to the ghetto uprising by Jews (which was not supported by the Home Army in any way I know of, because pre-war Poland was anti-Semitic as well as anti-Communist).
Try reading a book or two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto_Action
Start here.

Posted by: Squeeth | Aug 6 2024 19:12 utc | 148

That is not justice for the victims of crimes against humanity in Israeli prisons. That is also not natural. No sane person seeked the extermination of all German and Japanese people after World War II.
Posted by: Inka | Aug 6 2024 18:22 utc | 130
As I said, it’s a prophecy, not a curse.
Gaza is not just and yet, here we are.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 6 2024 19:14 utc | 149

The premise of my comment was that the growth of Arab nationalism (as I read the chapter on this subject in Mansfield, The Arabs) in numerous quarters of the Ottoman Empire in the latter half of the 19th C had as an underlying theme getting/keeping Europe out of Middle Eastern affairs.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 18:18 utc | 127
The central involvement of TE Lawrence “of Arabia” in the Arab Revolt means the Hashemite leaders replaced Turkish tyranny with British, and was motivated more by what the British promised them personally (gold and kingship) rather than a grassroots desire for independence, which would have resisted British involvement.
The eventual British supported invasion by Ibn Saud of the Hejaz completed their betrayal of their former ally of the Revolt, the Hashemites.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 6 2024 19:15 utc | 150

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 6 2024 18:50 utc | 140
Oh, I’m definitely tuned in, so much so it’s depressing. Most weeks Jeffrey St Clair does a column at counterpunch.org and a frequent feature is a recap of the previous week’s murders by badge. The beginning for cops in the US were to hunt down slaves, sad their mission is still the same. Protect private property and serve the elite.
I have yet to see any with mohawks, facial tattoos and/or piercings though.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 6 2024 19:15 utc | 151

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 18:54 utc | 142
===============
These were not vaccines.
They were experimental gene therapy.
They were imposed on the public via a series of lies, misrepresentations, propaganda, and threats.
No informed consent was possible because RCTs were discontinued and results of actual tests were suppressed.
I followed this whole thing very closely, so you can save yourself the trouble of kicking up a dust cloud of beside-the-point explanations.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 19:25 utc | 152


I saw something earlier about china being ready to weigh in physically if the US and their proxies attacked Iran. I’m not up to tracking that down and verifying it, but that is very much where the world is at now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 17:37 utc | 105

China has a “Never Again” policy with respect to being raped and plundered by Christian Colonial Assholes. John Pilger(?) referred to it in his doco The Coming War With China.
If you like a good laugh, go to abc.net.au/4corners and watch the August 5 edition. It’s called The New Trade War. It focuses on China’s emergence as a Trade & Industrial Superpower and explains how and why it got there so fast (the Christians have been so busy congratulating themselves that they didn’t notice China’s diligent pursuit of a prosperous future for China and the world).
And now it’s too late.
Near the end, Xi is addressing his General Assembly and reiterating his Never Again vow to the Chinese People.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 6 2024 19:25 utc | 153

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 6 2024 19:15 utc | 150
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Still not getting it.
I guess T E Lawrence and the Arab revole is all you know about.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 19:29 utc | 154

Were the Opium pushing Sassoon‘s Christians ?

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2024 19:33 utc | 155

Depopulation is a major component of the neofeudal plan.

Posted by: norecovery | Aug 6 2024 19:35 utc | 156

From day one of the Gaza genocide there was no question that the west was normalizing the Atrocity Exhibition, no attempt was made to obfuscate or hide it in the least, no cold war era hearts and minds media campaign even attempted, not a tepid one, not a failed one, just nothing. If the message wasn’t clear enough the delivery was stark, this is the new normal. The missile attacks against civilians in pre 2014 Russian cities is part of the same, displaced refugee population or nuclear superpower the Atrocity Exhibition and what’s coming will have no limits. Hopefully it’s a bluff.
There was a retired Israeli general, or intelligence, or ex-defense minister that came out and stated that Israel is informed that WW3 is underway and they are getting their atrocities in early, at the very start, as once WW3 is over what happened to the Palestinians will seem remote and inconsequential compared to what followed and no one will even remember it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 6 2024 19:37 utc | 157

Thanks B but take your time in the recovery stakes. From personal experience recovery is longer than your brain tells you.
best wishes
B

Posted by: Butties | Aug 6 2024 19:39 utc | 158

Jane@152 tries to kick up a dust cloud, consisting largely of panic over the phrase “gene therapy.” The point that altering gene expression, which B cells do in their perfectly normal development, means you have to be precise. And all “explanations” like Jane’s that don’t clarify this are the beside-the-point. All vaccines are experimental, and have been since the days the Turks invented variolation, on to Jenner and the milkmaids, on to now. So that doesn’t do either. Given the notoriety of anti-vaxxers refusing vaccination, it is a stretch to say they were imposed. As is, this all sounds like a Bircher ranting about fluoridation. See Gen. Jack D. Ripper in Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 19:40 utc | 159

Hamas announces the selection of Yahya Sinwar as head of the movement’s political bureau, succeeding Ismail Haniyeh

Posted by: teri | Aug 6 2024 19:46 utc | 160

motorslug @ 151

I have yet to see any with mohawks, facial tattoos and/or piercings though.

Visible tattoos which were never allowed in USA police are all over now jutting out from sleeves, cuffs, and collars, I’m sure full on Mauri is just around the corner. Shaved heads, fat necks, and obvious steroid abuse are wall to wall however, the goon squad look seems to be end stage capitalism requirement. To Protect And To Serve – themselves and their elite bosses.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 6 2024 19:46 utc | 161

Jane@1841
Truly. I wondered about Queen Rania as well. She may favor her own people…but she is married to a friggen kink and likely has birthed his offspring. She MIGHT be thinking with her heart, but when people are privileged they too often elide such emotional understanding in order to retain their privileges. She could be somewhat similar to Jens Stoltenberg, who though as a native of my primary familial ancestry pool; I consider that man as a Quisling.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 19:53 utc | 162

Newport Beach California recruitment commercial:,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_rKA6ROAVk
What sort of applicants are they trying to attract ?
Note – Anerucan police are trained by Israeli security consultants. That’s why U.S. cops treat citizens like a occupation army

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2024 19:55 utc | 163

MAARIV POLL: 48% of Israelis support launching a preemptive strike against Iran and Hezbollah, while 34% of the participants expressed their belief that Israel should wait and respond only if it is attacked.
Palestine Chronicle live
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gaza-live-blog-major-ambush-in-rafah-flying-object-over-israel-russia-steps-in-day-305/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 6 2024 19:59 utc | 164

“These were not vaccines.
They were experimental gene therapy.
They were imposed on the public via a series of lies, misrepresentations, propaganda, and threats.
No informed consent was possible because RCTs were discontinued and results of actual tests were suppressed.
I followed this whole thing very closely, so you can save yourself the trouble of kicking up a dust cloud of beside-the-point explanations.”
Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 19:25 utc | 152
!00% correct; Steven MSM Johnson is either : (a) Off his meds or, (b) On too many meds

Posted by: canuck | Aug 6 2024 19:59 utc | 165

@aristodemos | Aug 6 2024 19:53 utc | 162

She could be somewhat similar to Jens Stoltenberg, who though as a native of my primary familial ancestry pool; I consider that man as a Quisling.

Confirmed, he is a Quisling.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2024 20:02 utc | 166

@steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 19:40 utc | 159
“All vaccines are experimental”
At one early stage of course… but then they get tested and it can take a decade or longer before they are released to the wider public. With the covid vaccines this was not years… it was months, if you don’t see a risk in that I have nothing more to say to you.
“Given the notoriety of anti-vaxxers refusing vaccination”
It’s easy for you to diminish others it seems. In Switzerland about 30% of the population didn’t get vaccinated with the Covid vaccines. A lot of them are not “anti vaxxer” as you call them. They just refused to take the Covid vaccines and there were a lot of good reasons for that. I could list a couple of them but somehow I think it would be useless in doing that, because you would refuse to think about it from the start if they have some credibility.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 6 2024 20:04 utc | 167

Arch @ 14
“So, what you’re saying is that the death of 6 million (?) Jews during the Holocaust is the fault of the Warsaw Ghetto resistance leaders?”..
your above comment and Zargo’s comment are talking about two (2) different uprsings – the one in Ghetto and one in 1944 by Polish underground army. Please, do not confuse these.

Posted by: fanto | Aug 6 2024 20:04 utc | 168

Exile @ 98
I will guess you are referring to posts in which my neighbors support Israel. If the reference is to those making a display of supporting the Ukraine war, have to say there is some softening on that score.
I live a few blocks from a Jewish Reconstructionist synagogue. I know some of the congregation. Reconstructionists are a fairly small splinter. They believe there is no literal God, it is a cultural narrative. Thus, the Torah is merely a cultural document. They have no use for the Talmud at all. If you get one of them momentarily in their rational intellectual mind they might tell you Israel is a state like other states, not a religion or a deity, and its should be judged as other states. Of course these are people who kibbitz constantly and say all sorts of things.
But Israel ranks above any apochryphal Deity. The national organization unequivocally is supporting Israel in the current conflict. My exchanges with local congregants show they are unanimous in supporting every iota of what the IDF is up to. Any who would question the IDF are antisemites.
I also know some wholly secular Jews. To include those who have played roles in various antiwar political activity. They all support Israel. The only place I encounter Jews who do not support Israel is in accounts posted here. Which I disbelieve.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 6 2024 20:05 utc | 169

“Depopulation is a major component of the neo-feudal plan.”
Posted by: norecovery | Aug 6 2024 19:35 utc | 156
The irony is that after the Great Plague around 1350 depopulation actually aided the Serfs as there was a scarcity of labour (1) and their lifestyle improved .
That same labour over the centuries built the modern machines which has led the Elite to consider depopulation…
1. “Because of illness and death workers became exceedingly scarce, so even peasants felt the effects of the new rise in wages. The demand for people to work the land was so high that it threatened the manorial holdings. Serfs were no longer tied to one master; if one left the land, another lord would instantly hire them.”

Posted by: canuck | Aug 6 2024 20:05 utc | 170

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 14:32 utc | 12
The US put over half its scientists to work developing financial instruments for the last three decades. It is were the best and brightest go to work for ten times what they would make as a rocket scientist. Bioweapons we just outsource and as for Israel. Well they are just copying the Axis on the eastern front. Nothing new there.

Posted by: badjoke | Aug 6 2024 20:06 utc | 171

Exile @ 163
“Do you love dogs? Do you dream of unleashing a dog to rip a human apart? Then the Newport Beach Police is looking for you!”

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 6 2024 20:08 utc | 172

I don’t have the links to hand, but within the last 2 days I have seen posted on X, a video where an Israeli medical professional, although he is not at liberty to state it himself, confirms that the Palestinian victim of rape at the center of the recent rioting, was attacked so greivously that his lung was punctured, understandably leading to his death.
In another post it was revealed that, just as in the past for Israeli bombing of Gaza, these proceedings were/are taking place with an audience of Israeli civilians, who treat this as an entertainment.
There isn’t a sentiment regarding the demise of Israel and Israelis that would at this point be excessive. They have lost their right to exist.

Posted by: tspoon | Aug 6 2024 20:09 utc | 173

Reinforcing Failure in Israel & Ukraine
Col Lawrence Wilkerson (former chief of staff to Sec of State Colin Powell), Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen @The Duran

First of all, Bibi’s trip here was an embarrassment for every American … and his appearance before congress … was everything he wanted it to be … I’ve just checked the polls and he has stabilised and is coming back up. He wanted that bump in the polls … and that was the primary reason for his coming.
The most powerful thing that Bibi wields is the United States of America … I have no doubt that in my mind that with Lyndsey Graham, Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley and other more bellicose members of the senate … he got assurances that he could do all of this. The most important thing for him right now is to broaden the war. 2:48 @mins
… They just killed a man that was consequencial to the peace process, to the cease fire process, to the exchange of hostages process … its preposterous to do that unless you have an ulterior motive and of course Bibi has an ulterior motive. @6:55
… the most powerful foreign agent operating on American soil is not China or Russia … or a domestic agency like the NRA … they pale beside AIPAC … AIPAC eliminates Senetors eliminates Congressmen puts Senetors Congressmen into office, eliminate Priseidents when they want … @27:13

https://rumble.com/v59x931-reinforcing-failure-in-israel-and-ukraine-col-lawrence-wilkerson-alexander-.html

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Aug 6 2024 20:09 utc | 174

Israel will be ‘gone’ in 20 years– says Wilkerson, former State Dept aide (article dated September 22, 2021)
Retired Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson is the former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell who emerged as a leading critic of the neoconservatives. In remarks to Mass Peace Action last June, he made some bracing assertions about Israel that I just saw the other day:

I said the other day Israel would not be a state in 20 years, it would be gone. It certainly will not be a democracy. It will be an apartheid state and the world will just reject it as they did South Africa. I’m now saying it won’t be a state, it will be gone.
Go back and read the report of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when Truman was trying to decide whether to recognize Israel in 1947-48 and what to do about U.S. policy. Completely No came from the Joints of Chiefs of Staff, based on the fact that there were 400 some odd million Arabs and about that time 3 million Israelis and other things too.
God, how prescient that report was. Well, it has come true. They are a strategic liability now.

https://mondoweiss.net/2021/09/israel-will-be-gone-in-20-years-wilkerson/

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Aug 6 2024 20:12 utc | 175

MEMORANDUM FOR THE STATE-WAR-NAVY COORDINATING COMMITTEE:
subject: British Proposals in Connection With the report of Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry in Palestine
Dated: 21st June 1946
… we urge that no U.S. armed forces be involved in carrying out the Committee’s recommendations. We recommend that in implementing the report, the guiding principle should be no action should be taken which will cause repercussions in Palestine which are beyond the capabilities of the British to control …
… we believe that the political shock attending the reappearance of U.S. armed forces in the Middle East would unnecessarily risk such serious consequences throughout the area as to dwarf any local Palestine difficulties … further, the Middle East could well fall into anarchy and become a breeding ground for World War …
… The USSR might replace the United States and Britain in influence and power through the Middle East.
… Also, for very serious consideration from a military point of view is the control of the oil of the Middle East … a great part of our Military strength as well as our standard of living is based on oil.
https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/research-files/joint-chiefs-staff-state-war-navy-coordinating-committee?documentid=NA&pagenumber=2

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Aug 6 2024 20:17 utc | 176

Gaza is a method. A Western method. Fascist, Zionist, apartheid, sadistic Israel is a pioneer, a trailblazer into yet more evil to be done from those above to those below. That is why those above will shield Israel. They are shielding themselves and their future deeds.
Gaza is a method. A Western method. Fascist, Zionist, apartheid, sadistic Israel is a pioneer
(…)
Nope Israel is not a pioneer, unless to remember the fake accounts of Jesus troops killing everyone in Jericho, Ai, etc. and… Gaza, yes, already.
This “western method” is applied now for more than 500 years: looting, massacring and genociding. Only ask people from the other continents.
Those are the western values made into an ideology by Nietzsche: der Uebermensch und der Wille zur Macht. Total racism.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2024 20:20 utc | 177

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 19:40 utc | 159
Except that the covid “vaccine” did not convey immunity nor did it prevent transmission. In fact you had to change the definition of vaccine in order to call it one. All for a disease that was harmless unless you were elderly or immune compromised. You retards destroyed the economy and children’s lives over a cold.

Posted by: anon | Aug 6 2024 20:22 utc | 178

“58 standing ovations for a Mass Murderer” bought and paid for by their AIPAC handlers. So thrilled and proud how well trained their pets are, so obedient.
Still haven’t heard how Thomas Massie’s wife died.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 6 2024 20:29 utc | 179

Important news, reposting from the Palestine open thread:
Yahya Sinwar has been chosen political leader to replace the assassinated Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas has announced.
The decision was unanimous, according to reports.
Sinwar is the Hamas head in Gaza.He will from now on be the chief negotiator.
It has not been announced who will replace Sinwar as the Hamas political chief in Gaza.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/sinwar-elected-as-hamas-new-top-leader-who-he-is-and-what-it-means/
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/hamas-announces-yahya-al-sinwar-new-politburo-chief
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/who-is-yahya-al-sinwar-the-artist-behind-operation-al-aqsa-f

Posted by: JB | Aug 6 2024 20:42 utc | 180

Typical human behavior : racial or “religious” puritanism alowing the massacre of a population to grab some land or some fame i very common… also works with apes minus the religious part.

Posted by: WhyNotZoidberg | Aug 6 2024 20:46 utc | 181

Hamas announces the selection of Yahya Sinwar as head of the movement’s political bureau, succeeding Ismail Haniyeh
Posted by: teri | Aug 6 2024 19:46 utc | 160
JB @ 180
This is Hamas at its finest hour. All resistance and defiance.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 6 2024 20:47 utc | 182

Jane@152 tries to kick up a dust cloud …
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 19:40 utc | 159

Actually … every word of the post by Jane (Aug 6 2024 19:25 utc | 152) is correct.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Aug 6 2024 20:47 utc | 183

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 6 2024 19:15 utc | 150
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Still not getting it.
I guess T E Lawrence and the Arab revole is all you know about.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 19:29 utc | 154
My point was that Arab Nationalism then as ever since, has been merely a rhetorical device and has always been superseded by parochial and tribal ambition.
In the Arab Revolt, The Sharif was motivated to revolt against the Ottomans by British promises to defend an Arab Empire, which they betrayed after the war by supporting a Saudi invasion of Hejaz, division of the rest of the territory between themselves and the French by the Sykes Picot agreement, and promising Palestine to the Jews under the Balfour Declaration.
Since that time the Hashemite monarchy have relied on Israel and the West to keep themselves in power, the Egyptian military has agreed to protect Israel in return for political, military and financial support, as have the Persian Gulf Kingdoms.
Can you point to a single instance when Arab Nationalism motivated substantial action by the Arab nations and not national self interest on the part of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi and the Gulf Kingdoms?
My point was the closest one gets to Arab Nationalism was the Revolt, which was motivated more by tribal loyalties and self interest of the Hashemite rulers.
Yom Kippur and the subsequent Camp David settlement was motivated primarily by Egyptian desire to recover Sinai and receive military and financial aid in return for protecting Israel, in the process betraying the Palestinians and even their YK allies the Syrians. I can’t think of anything else.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 6 2024 20:54 utc | 184

Could we take the vaccine discussion to the not Ukraine or gaza forum please?

Posted by: morongobill | Aug 6 2024 21:02 utc | 185

LightYears @ 140
Thanks for that. That was a tough situation. Cop is not going to like that cyclist in his face or dodging around back of him. Stopping short the cyclist would have no ability to maneuver. Keeping in motion is always best. Second cop makes it very hard to exit stage right. Yep, that’s a situation where cop goes nuts.
I did Critical Mass jusr once, in San Fran, with a Cuban stunt rider (Ringling Brothers vet) who could make cops laugh. And was also a veteran of the Angola war and could take on any ten cops if they were dumb enough. One of the few times I’ve felt safe on a bike.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 6 2024 21:09 utc | 186

Posted by: NoName | Aug 6 2024 20:04 utc | 167
A mRNA is not a vaccine, because the mRNA is not an antigene. It is supposed to produce the antigene, in that case the Spike protein. With replacement of uridine by Methyl-N-pseudo-uridine you get transcriptions mistakes. Further the Spike protein is toxic. There is a vaccine: the Spike protein itself. And the vaccine was commercialised, but who knows about it? Very few people as I understood. The virus had several antigenic proteins, especially those of the envelope, which were even more antigenic than the Spike protein and not toxic. But they do not choose them. Because everything was planned in advance and the target was that toxic Spike protein.
Data showed that before the mRNA injections over-mortality stroke only people above 70 yo with co-morbidities. Most of those people in western countries are pensioners and could avoid contacts. We could speak also about the manipulated data: when someone died from cancer with covid, it was counted as a covid victim.
Russian people massively refused the vaccines because they understood that this virus was not dangerous.
Meanwhile according to several studies, the mRNA injections continue to trigger health problems and deaths.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2024 21:15 utc | 187

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 6 2024 15:08 utc | 27
“Stick your head back in the sand and imagine all is well.”
Almost precisely the same advice from Norman Finkelstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCqQhobrnC0

“it’s very Grim. The only thing you could do is bury your head in the ground and just continue working on what you’re working on and hope they’ll have some meaning because it may not because it’s out of our control it’s what my friend s said nothing can stop them they are a lunatic State on the Rampage”

Posted by: anonymous | Aug 6 2024 21:17 utc | 188

See Gen. Jack D. Ripper in Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2024 19:40 utc | 159
The more we find out everyday about the pollution unleashed in our world and the contamination of our food and water shows Ripper was 100% correct in his views related to those things.
I want pure water, pure whiskey, pure food and clean air myself.

Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 6 2024 21:18 utc | 189

Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2024 20:20 utc | 177
This “western method” is applied now for more than 500 years: looting, massacring and genociding. Only ask people from the other continents.

When people consider what happens in Gaza to be a new level, they mean that previous genocides weren’t televised. I also don’t think it’s useful to distinguish between “bad Westerners” and “good others” — ask the Irish or the victims of the Third Reich killing machines. It is true that Western values, including good old humanitarianism, were always hypocritical when voiced by politicians although not by “all Westerners”. Even now many are disgusted — you can arrive there from many angles, including religion and socialism.

Those are the western values made into an ideology by Nietzsche: der Uebermensch und der Wille zur Macht. Total racism.

This is a cartoon-style misrepresention of Nietzsche. In particular, Nietzsche did not stand on racial grounds and he certainly didn’t think of Germans (let alone “aryans”) are the Übermensch. That came later.

Posted by: konami | Aug 6 2024 21:21 utc | 190

Posted by: tspoon | Aug 6 2024 20:09 utc | 173
There isn’t a sentiment regarding the demise of Israel and Israelis that would at this point be excessive. They have lost their right to exist.

The last sentence is wrong on any scale, as it calls for the extinction of a whole population, i.e. genocide.
I don’t need to tell you people why this is wrong. My question to the MOA kommentariat as a lurker: is it worth to fight obvious fascist statements like this or is it better to treat it as trolling, and just ignore?

Posted by: konami | Aug 6 2024 21:27 utc | 191

“Newport Beach California recruitment commercial:,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_rKA6ROAVk
Dealt with these pigs for over 20 years.
Select your resistance.
They are cowards when you get them alone.

Posted by: hightrekker | Aug 6 2024 21:28 utc | 192

USA embassy in Lebanon- a medival type castle on the top of a hill- in a small country of 2,5 mill poor people
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230512162422-mime-us-embassy-beirut.jpg?c=16×9&q=h_833,w_1480,c_fill

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 6 2024 21:31 utc | 193

@karlof1 #26
“I see Pepe Escobar and b are helping to provide further exposure to Crooke’s SCF essay and my article, “Jewish Supremacy: Mein Kampf in Reverse”
Zionism is not Nazism in Reverse, Nazism was Zionism in reverse.
Hitler got his inspiration from the Old Testament and the Zionist ideology. He just replaced “God’s chosen people” with “die deutsche Herrenrasse, von der Vorsehung auserwählt” (the German master race, chosen by providence).
The Zionist leader Max Nordau coined the term “Entartung” (Degeneration) in the 1890s, the Nazis called modern art “entartete Kunst” (degenerated art) in the 1920s. The German Jew Viktor Klemperer, who converted to Protestantism, pointed out the similarities between Zionism and Nazism.

Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 6 2024 21:36 utc | 194

@Paul from Norway | Aug 6 2024 21:31 utc | 193
Wow, that is grotesque! A cancer tumor.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2024 21:37 utc | 195

@konami #191
Saying israel has no right to exist is not advocating genocide. It is neither a race nor ethnicity, religion, caste or a peoples. It is an invention of racist psychopaths for the convenience of a centuries old fairy tale.

Posted by: motorslug | Aug 6 2024 21:40 utc | 196

Were the Opium pushing Sassoon‘s Christians ?
Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2024 19:33 utc | 155
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The Sassoons were Baghdadi Jews settled I believe in Calcutta.
I think it was the British who pushed opium on the Chinese, but the Sassoons produced its and controlled the supply.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2024 21:43 utc | 197

@hightrekker
“Dealt with these pigs for over 20 years.
Select your resistance.
They are cowards when you get them alone.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llpHcXBwmfk

Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 6 2024 21:43 utc | 198

Posted by: Archetypex | Aug 6 2024 21:18 utc | 189
Precious bodily fluids.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 6 2024 21:48 utc | 199

@ kupkee | Aug 6 2024 20:29 utc | 179
Still haven’t heard how Thomas Massie’s wife died
all I could find is this from Lew Rockwell. you gotta admit, it smells just a tad
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/07/no_author/the-body-count-of-the-state/

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 6 2024 21:50 utc | 200