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August 15, 2024
FT Reports A Ukrainian Warcrime

The willful killing of unarmed soldiers, especially when there is a good chance of taking them prisoners, is certainly a war crime.

It is astonishing that Christopher Miller of the Financial Times reports of it without further comment.

How Ukraine pulled off its biggest gamble: invading Russia (archived) – Financial Times, Aug 12, 2024

As Volodymyr prepared to enter Russian territory, adrenaline ran through his veins. It was not lost on him that 81 years ago, another battle in Russia’s Kursk region marked a turning point for Europe.

“We entered Russian territory for the first time at 1pm on Tuesday [August 6],” Volodymyr said. “We were among the first to enter there.”

To his astonishment, his unit faced no resistance as their eight-wheeled, 20 tonne US Stryker fighting vehicle stormed across the border in broad daylight.

They soon encountered a Russian unit “sitting in the forest, drinking coffee at a table”, Volodymyr recalled. “Then our Stryker drives right into their table.

“We killed many of them on the first day,” he said. “Because they were unarmed and didn’t expect us.”

Not wanting to end up like their comrades, he added, “dozens” of stunned Russian soldiers simply laid down their weapons and surrendered.


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"81 years ago, another battle in Russia’s Kursk region marked a turning point for Europe," writes Miller. He and others should consider what that really means. If I remember correctly, the German fascists and their Ukrainian allies also committed war crimes – and lost the fight.

Comments

Posted by: Sonar | Aug 15 2024 10:12 utc | 2
Russia is so incompetent as an army they couldnt even prepare adequate defences for Kursk border. If Ukraine can achieve so little so quickly advancing imagine what a real Nato force would do. Putin needs to seek terms and end this fiasco its clear he cant win this war.
Fool. First, if you know anything of Geography, Russia is a vast country with a vast border. Its impossible to have soldiers at the ready on every inch of that border at all times. Secondly, the AFU is/was the best army in Europe, outside of Russia. At full strength two years ago, the Azovs would lay waist to any of the other armies of Europe. So this last remnant of this once great army, which Russia has all but destroyed is now falling apart, not Rissians. So far, of the invaders, more than 3,000 have been eliminated. Watch, as over the next few weeks the rest get flushed out and either surrender or be destroyed. Meanwhile, Russia is close to completing the job of securing Donbass. Next, Kharkov, Kiev, and Odessa.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Aug 15 2024 15:10 utc | 101

“It isn’t a crime if we do it.” is the motto of Western civilization.
Correction: The motto of the parasitical class that controls and is hollowing out its Western host as it attempts to do the same to the rest of the planet.
Posted by: Benzanatto | Aug 15 2024 12:31 utc | 43
Thank you, Benza. Please come around more often.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 15 2024 15:14 utc | 102

Anonymous | Aug 15 2024 14:48 utc | 89
Stop trying to justify what is “legal” or isn’t. You’re just twisting words to try and make your point. It’s all about common decency and empathy for fellow combatants but you and your ilk don’t have any.
It’s ALL about killing as many Russians as possible. This is the Western (tiny hat) way…

Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 15 2024 15:15 utc | 103

History Legends has a very good video of Kursk timeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPs6V5Nv_A

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 15 2024 15:19 utc | 104

Zelensky asks Syrsky to find more people for the offensive on Kursk region
“I understand that it is not easy, but maybe we can somehow strengthen our troops in these areas,” he said.

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1824014314262470657
Video at the link with English subtitles.
The comedian’s war is about the optics like war is a tv show. Bakhmut 2.0. More and more cannon fodder will be fed in there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 15:19 utc | 105

Meanwhile it appears that Zelensky gave up on the Donbas and Russian forces will soon take everything from Ugledar up to Kramatorsk. This is likely going to enrage the coke head and induce him to throw more precious reserves and material into Kursk direction.
So while it ain’t over by a long stretch, I’m increasingly inclined to think that the slow attritional phase of the war has ended and we may be approaching a climax. Perhaps even before November which would be bad news for the US regime.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 15 2024 14:42 utc | 87
Zelly lost interest once the Ukies lost the Avdiivka Coke Plant. Who knew?

Posted by: Zippy the Pinhead | Aug 15 2024 15:20 utc | 106

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I am completely shocked and amazed at how many NAFO types are trying hard in this bar to disrupt and sow doubt with the regulars. The highlighting and targeting of MOA with some recent articles condemning this great site are what’s bringing all the shrooms out.

Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 15 2024 15:20 utc | 107

Kursk 1943- “Death ride of the panzers”
(mini) Kursk 2024- “Death ride of the Strykers”

Posted by: Dakota Rog | Aug 15 2024 15:25 utc | 108

Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 15 2024 15:20 utc | 109
I’m honestly not too bothered. I just chuckle at the idiots and poke at them now and then if I feel bored. Maybe that’s wrong. By the way, I’m not sure if killing enemy soldiers by surprise “technically” constitutes a war crime (don’t sue me,) but I’m pretty damn sure we’ll have our fill of clear cut Nazi war crimes from this offensive. We’ve already heard many rumors and I’m not sure if there is already direct photo and video evidence.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 15:27 utc | 109

But the biggest charm is that the Ukies are bogged down on the Kursk Bulge to the fullest – you can’t go out, since PR does not allow it, it hurts to stay, because they kill all the time. However, it is necessary, otherwise the West will not give money, and Zelensky’s wife will be left without a new Bugatti. So we have to drive more and more new units.
And even Syrsky understands that this is all we are waiting for – the more ukrops are driven into Kursk, the more difficult the ukrop disaster will be on the main front. That is, Kursk is such a global trap for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, into which the fool Zelensky himself drove his army.
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Soon, the belt of small villages attached to small cites will be left behind in the East as Russian troops enter the far less inhabited region to the West of that belt where very few natural obstacles or fortifiable points exist. The main aim is clear when a map’s consulted and that’s to clear the Donetsk region and then work on Zaporozhe and Kherson; Lugansk is almost 100% liberated. And those operations will last until the end of 2024. What will become of the newer fronts in Kharkov and Kursk is also predictable–they will continue to be the meat grinders they already are–the lengthening of the FEBA by the Ukies was a very big strategic mistake all done for PR and Zelensky’s ego.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 15 2024 15:04 utc | 98
It’s clear now:
1. No matter how far the AFU goes into Kursk, there’s nowhere to go after that. Not even taking the nuclear power station will help them – pretty sure the RF will do a Beslan on it if it comes to it. Besides, the AFU cannot hold the KNPS – supply lines too long.
2. Long supply lines will be cut within a day or two (if not already), then the AFU is bottled up in Kursk while Russian reserves keep pouring in. Reserves. Paramilitary. Police. Armed Civilians (Angry Russians).
3. In the meantime the AFU lines and fortifications in Donbas are crumbling at warp speed.
4. Belgorod is a side show, and the AFU will get the same treatment there as in every previous other attempt. Unless they go in with a much stronger force … which will end up in the same predicament as that unfolding in Kursk.
If the Russians keep an eye out for NATO on the periphery and continue cutting off the AFU in Kursk and Belgorod, while proceeding in Donbas, they will take the entire Donbas shortly and the AFU will be left as a hollowed out shell within a week.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 15 2024 15:30 utc | 110

Posted by: Monos | Aug 15 2024 13:43 utc | 65
Thanks for the misinformation bit.
“Article 3, Section 1 states that killing unarmed and/or surrendering soldiers is a war crime.”
I’ve included a link to a pdf version of the appropriate Convention. As anyone who looks will discover, Article 3 pertains to conflicts NOT of an international character. The current conflict between two sovereign nations and Article 3 clearly does not apply. In addition even if it did it provides protection to civilians.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.32_GC-III-EN.pdf

Posted by: Zargo | Aug 15 2024 15:32 utc | 111

Taking territory is a political and morale victory right now, one that reinforces the expansion of the war on Russia yet again. The arguments that the long run results are likely to be on balance net negative in a purely military sense, seem to me to be correct barring further expansion of the war, That’s the difficulty. The semblance of victory helps the politics of expanding the war.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 15 2024 15:36 utc | 112

Millions Dead After God Accidentally Drops AC Unit Out Of Heaven
The Onion, PublishedJune 7, 2024
THE HEAVENS—Despite the deity swearing He had secured “that piece of shit” properly, millions were confirmed dead Friday after God, Our Heavenly Father, accidentally dropped His air-conditioning unit out of heaven. “Oh fuck, I don’t know what happened—one minute I’m trying to prop up the AC, and the next it’s hurdling towards earth,” said the Lord our God, Divine Creator and Ruler of the Universe, adding that He had wedged a two-by-four under the AC unit, but it nonetheless tumbled out of His hands and plummeted from His third floor walk-up, which is located approximately 300 light-years above the planet. “Oof, that cannot be good. I yelled ‘Watch out,’ but I’m not sure anyone in North America heard. Why didn’t I just hire a Taskrabbit for this shit? Ugh, this is exactly how the dinosaurs died!” At press time, the Supreme Being could be overheard crying and begging to keep His security deposit after His landlord learned He had damaged the AC unit.
https://www.theonion.com/millions-dead-after-god-accidentally-drops-ac-unit-out-1851514219

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 15:44 utc | 113

Arch Bungle | Aug 15 2024 15:30 utc | 112–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, it will take longer than a week, but your sentiments correct–the reeling backwards will continue and accelerate. When looking at the battle maps, it’s interesting to note all the places where Russian forces have stopped to preserve the flanks and to rotate their formations. The islands where Ukies remain like Ugledar are actually fire bags that will consume those that refuse to retreat. The PR point of Ukie “strategy” has done more to decimate the Ukie army than any Russian weapon. Yet, it appears NATO is blind to that reality because of its own hubris, particularly that of the Brits and Americans.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 15 2024 15:45 utc | 114

Kursk is a game of chicken between Russia and Ukraine.
Ukraine are trying to make Russia divert forces from the Donbas front; but Russia are refusing to do so.
Russia by going full steam ahead in Donbas and not diverting anyone, are trying to get Ukraine to divert forces from Kursk; but Ukraine are also refusing and doubling down in their Russia incursion.
The contest is which side will lose the most by not diverting troops; it seems increasingly the clear winner there is Ukraine. Regular Russian conscripts plus a few Wagner are doing a reasonable job containing Ukraine’s incursion, enjoying the mother of all turkey-shoots in the process. Russia meanwhile are running rampant in Donbas and are in sight of Pokrovsk, soon of course to be pokruita krovviyu.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 15:56 utc | 115

USA planners’ calculus in the Kursk region is about to fireback very badly and for the Russian West Battleground’s trap to finally unravel. This proposed plan will lead to the destruction of the Z regime and the breaking up of country 404 into three pieces: east (the rich), west (the poor) and ‘little’ kiev (the insignificant). Netanyahoo is losing two wars but few seem to notice it.

Posted by: AI | Aug 15 2024 15:57 utc | 116

@ Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 15:44 utc | 115
I admit I’m the kind of guy who gets a kick out of stories like this, but couldn’t it have waited for the next Open Thread?

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 15 2024 16:00 utc | 117

malenkov 119
You’re right – my bad 😐

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 16:05 utc | 118

thanks for pointing this out b!
@ naive – what is ”moons law”? thanks…
@ Ahenobarbus | Aug 15 2024 15:14 utc | 104
ditto.. thanks benza…
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juliania recommended a video of pepe… thanks juliania!
pepe is saying this is no longer an smo, but a counter terrorist operation.. putin has declared keiv a terrorist… it’s a valid switch that is going unreported in the west… pepe is insightful and i think he has a clear read on how this is developing – we are in the early chapters of a nato -russia war.. the west is using terrorist tactics, because they can’t win on the battlefield.. i agree with pepe..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4fHaQbhEsc

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2024 16:06 utc | 119

Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) defense was a disaster stretched for 7 months. So-called-ukrainian government still refused to pull out after it lost all military sense.
Summer 2023 offensive was a disaster stretched for 5 months. So-called-ukrainian government still refused to pull out after it lost all military sense.
Krinki bridgehead was a disaster stretched for 8 months. So-called-ukrainian government still refused to pull out after it lost all military sense.
Volchansk defense is ongoing. It turned into a grind that AFU is forced to feed to not lose image.
Kursk. We are here.
Some maintain to call AFU soldiers brave for continuing to fight for so long. Whatever else they might be, but boy are they stupid.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 15 2024 16:06 utc | 120

I see Z as trying to manipulate things on the ground for negotiation purposes and if this Kursk thing is part of his hand of cards, he better play them soon or they might just end up a busted flush.
What is the next gambit?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2024 16:08 utc | 121

Russian strategic bomber just crashed. Biden is set to send long range missiles to Kiev. What fools the Yanks are!
Remember, nobody would dare try to invade America – Nobody. Russia could pay some cartels to cause chaos on the US border. They have a massive network of tunnels that could be used for daring raids. Do they do this? Not a chance. They, like Russia, know that you do not mess with Mother Liberty. Mock it because you fear it.
Just a reminder. The Saker and his sidekick fled to America for a reason. That is right – Your biggest Russian patriots sacrificed everything to become American. The mental gymnastics you trolls do.

Posted by: Sentient | Aug 15 2024 16:08 utc | 122

Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 15:56 utc | 117
Look again. Russia has a good number of elite infantry units in the Kursk operation. It seems to consist of mainly hunting down DRG units until now.
Russia is clearly winning as far as diverting forces go. As the Ukroid Nazi’s are killed off in Kursk, the comedian of Kiev has to divert more and more forces to that sector.
On top off that, the nazi’s being killed off are Ukraine’s elite units

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:08 utc | 123

The coming US collapse gives hope to the long-suffering Russians
Dmitry Orlov discussed the Ukraine war with Nima Alkhorshid, who asked why the Russians are so calm about the tense situation there. Orlov simply said the US is collapsing and they’re just waiting.

That conversation is linked here [link].
Even the most prestigious media agencies are openly talking about the collapse of the US, though many elites think it won’t happen for many years.
The reasons are known. $35 trillion debt and growing like a cancer, wars we don’t win, total loss of trust in the world. Israel and our wholehearted support of its atrocities is trashing us faster than anything else. Meanwhile, the BRICS organization is systematically de-dollarizing their mutual international trade, using local currencies. The goal is to unseat the dollar as the dominant trade and reserve currency.
In this dire scenario, the US hopes to somehow compete with industrialized vibrant economies, armed with nothing but a printing press.
In short, we’re stuck on stupid.
But it’s actually worse than that. The US regime is imbued with a hybrid ideology that is part Malthusianism (population reduction), part wokeness and part Nazi (wholehearted support for the Ukronazis and the Zionazis. You can’t support Nazism so wholeheartedly unless you believe in it). That bizarre combination is not conducive to strength, quite the opposite.
https://donhank.substack.com/p/the-coming-us-collapse-gives-hope

I also think this is Putin’s strategy: facilitate collapse of the Empire of Lies. The further along this process goes, the less ability the Empire has to project force or influence far afield until at some point all that is left will be internal dissent wherein the Beast will finally have only itself to feed upon. This process will probably accelerate once it gets going – which is clearly already the case. It will be a different world by 2030 – which of course some will say is by design, the Great Reset etc.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 15 2024 16:09 utc | 124

When do we see one or more F16s in Ukraine?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2024 16:09 utc | 125

@ Sentient | Aug 15 2024 16:08 utc | 124
There is no better compliment to a nation or a country, than to say they refuse to do what USA does/would do.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 15 2024 16:11 utc | 126

Some maintain to call AFU soldiers brave for continuing to fight for so long.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 15 2024 16:06 utc | 122
As the saying goes – Fools go where angels fear to tread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:13 utc | 127

Is our frontier better guarded than the Russian frontier?
Arrivals in the UK in small boats:
2022: 45,774
2023: 29,437
2024: 18,342 so far

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 15 2024 16:13 utc | 128

“TWO THOUSAND+ Russian soldiers captured by Ukraine!
Posted by: bored | Aug 15 2024 11:31 utc | 27”
What a coincidence. Russia said, a couple days ago, that 2,000 *civilians* are trapped by the Ukes.
Maybe Ukrainians think like Israelis. There are no civilian Palestinians– or Russians.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 15 2024 16:13 utc | 129

I’ve been reading, hearing, and viewing miriad reports for months now about how Russia is defeating Ukraine continuously. That Ukraine has no chance. That Ukraine armies and its unprepared, untrained soldiers are being slaughted by the hundreds of thousands. That the war is already over and that Russia has won. That Russia has unequalled air superiority and a sensor leviathan that can see everything everywhere. That Russia is unbeatable.
What happened? Ukraine just rides into Kursk like there are no Russian defenses and Russia didn’t notice the large groups of soldiers with all the military vehicles preparing for and then advancing on Kursk until the Ukrainians got there. This surprise incursion is now labeled a Russian emergency and tens of thousands of Russians must be evacuated. AND THE UKRAINIANS ARE STILL THERE!
What am I missing? The Russians didn’t see this coming? The Russians are unaware of NATO plans of attack? The Russians are not, in fact, the powerful army we’ve been led to believe? If the Russian military is so strong that it can roll over Ukraine whenever it wishes to, why has it not done so?
The longer this war goes on, the closer we get to Armageddon. Why can’t Russia finish this? Is it because Russia is not as powerful as the propaganda tells us it is? That it does not, in fact, have the power to withstand the combined Ukraine/NATO/US/UK/Mercenary military might?
Anybody else sensing this?

Posted by: DenisSaintDenis | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc | 130

@steven t johnson | Aug 15 2024 15:36 utc
Political and morale victory? What about events on the ground? Ukronazis have wasted ~2600 of their best fighters with many more in the cross-hairs of an anti-terrorist operation that’ll show no mercy. Also, it’s not a strategically important area. If their objective was to reach the KNPP, they failed, miserably. The Russians are advancing, along the whole front, especially the Donbas. How can it be considered a political or moral victory? I’m more considerate of Alaudinov’s argument – the war could be finished this fall. For Russia’s sake, and the ethnic-Russians in Ukraine, I hope he’s correct.

Posted by: zeke2u | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc | 131

I guess it will depend a bit on how much cannon fodder is thrown into Kursk, but I believe the F16’s are being saved for the mighty southern offensive.
Nato/Ukraine threw 75,000 into Bakhmut, then over 100,000 into the vaunted southern offensive. They are obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel now, but as the F16s have not been used, I suspect nato does have a sizable force to throw into the southern offensive.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:18 utc | 132

Sentient 124
You forgot to mention all those F16s darkening the skies over the Ukraine and Kursk battlefields.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 16:21 utc | 133

DenisSaintDenis | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc | 132
Piss off clown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:21 utc | 134

@ DenisSaintDenis | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc | 132
what you are missing – believing you are open minded…
this is a nato – russia war… ukraine is just a handy tool… we are in the very early chapters of the war… consider reading and studying on this more and with less input from the western msm.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2024 16:22 utc | 135

I get the feeling we are approaching the end game, possibly by the end of the year – and unfortunately I sense it isnt going to end in the way we barflies hoped.
The talk of Russia slowly catching the monkey has been blown apart in the last few days.
There is no way Ukraine can waltz into Kursk if they are on their last legs, unless Russia is either incapable of ejecting them, or potentially worse, party to this ruse.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 15 2024 16:23 utc | 136

My 134 should have been addressed to – psychohistorian | Aug 15 2024 16:09 utc | 127

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:23 utc | 137

Night Tripper | Aug 15 2024 16:23 utc | 138
You trolls are certainly thick – in more ways than one. A few optics and you clowns are like a magpie looking at the other bird in a mirror.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:26 utc | 138

@ Night Tripper | Aug 15 2024 16:23 utc | 138
i recommend you watch the video that juliania shared last night and which i have linked @ 121… i think you have it very wrong.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2024 16:26 utc | 139

The trolls have taken residence at the bar …

Posted by: crone | Aug 15 2024 16:27 utc | 140

@ Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:26 utc | 140
you and i are a hell of a 1 2 punch, lol! cheers buddy..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2024 16:27 utc | 141

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2024 16:09 utc | 127
I’m increasingly thinking we won’t see them, simply because nobody on the NATO/Ukraine side has any idea what to actually use them for.
There aren’t sufficient numbers to do close air support of Ukie lines all along the front, and it’s far too late for that already.
I honestly can’t see a use case for them at this stage, they are probably 18 months to 2 years too late.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 15 2024 16:27 utc | 142

Posted by: DenisSaintDenis | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc | 132
The longer this war goes on, the closer we get to Armageddon. Why can’t Russia finish this? Is it because Russia is not as powerful as the propaganda tells us it is? That it does not, in fact, have the power to withstand the combined Ukraine/NATO/US/UK/Mercenary military might?
Anybody else sensing this?

Partisans find such questioning disloyal and call it ‘concern trolling’ but you make good points. That said, I also found Simplicius’ put-down rings true, calling the Kurst offensive a ‘flaccid bulge’. Yes hundreds of square kilometers of territory and yes 100,000 or more evacuated and yes it’s an attack on long-established Russian Federation territory. All true.
But now what? What do they do with this? Can they use this as a base and flood in more troops with which to advance further towards Moscow or St. Petersburg? Where do those troops come from? If they come from the Donbass front, which is already in dire straits according to many about to buckle considerably, will that not accelerate the loss of Donbass entire? In which case, of what value is this Kurst bulge and how long can they keep it up (pun intended)?
Am not a military person and don’t follow this campaign closely, but it is very hard to see how this Kurst operation is going to have legs. I see it as a last gasp desperate move to gain something for negotiation and publicity (influencing) purposes to counterbalance the upcoming rout on the Eastern front.
I also don’t believe that Z is running the show and the fact that apparently most of the 12,000 troops were foreign mercenaries tends to indicate this was a Neocon operation driven by their Beyond the Pale anti-Russian animus. They are mistaking their own ability to manipulate narrative reality for facts on the ground. Flaccid bulge indeed.
But we shall soon see how it transpires: will the invading forces in Kurst stiffen up and penetrate further, joyfully and manfully thrusting? Or is it going to stall and peter out?

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 15 2024 16:28 utc | 143

DenisSaintDenis 132
Russian military and commenters like Rogozhin have been saying consistently that talk of Ukraine being on their last legs, having no ammo, being unmotivated conscripts, etc., is BS and false.
As have the most informed commenters, consistently.
And the “Ukrainian” forces are of course no more Ukrainian than a pantomime horse is a horse.
Russia is taking on the whole west in what is essentially a race war, Barbarossa 2.0., waged by the Holy Roman Empire against infidel Slavs. And Russia are not losing. Tag team China is not far away. Just saying.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 16:29 utc | 144

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krWuBtdETDE
McGregor being very dismissive of the Ukrainian Kursk operation. (I’m not a big fan of him but there you are.)

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 16:30 utc | 145

So, in my humble assessment, this is a key part of the propaganda being played by NATO:
“Lubinets underscored that message, saying during the telethon that humanitarian corridors would allow international organizations to monitor the situation on the ground in Ukrainian-controlled parts of Russia. Kyiv’s forces are already providing humanitarian aid to civilians in territories they control and act in accordance with international law, Lubinets added.
“Ukraine is also now preparing to accept refugees from Russia’s Kursk region, Iryna Vereshchuk, deputy prime minister of Ukraine, said in a statement announced on Telegram Thursday.”
In other words, NATO is essaying at establishing beachheads within Russia proper, as it previously did, obviously, in Ukraine. That means, in no small part, NATO is openly anchoring itself propaganda-wise and ideologically within Russia and directly and effectively openly interacting with the Russian people. This ideological comportment may be more or less benign, not counting the actual shooting and bombing of the border villages, but at the same time experimental, or it may be experimental and Machiavellian. Imagine NATO openly operating within a swath of the Chinese or North Korean border, utterly unthinkable: not only does it represent loss of face, and obvious loss of sovereignty, but also harkens back to the Western colonization of China, and thereby the demonstration of the “backwardness” of its civilization. I would imagine that Xi must be viscerally astounded by what is happening in Kursk, because the whole of the Western neoliberal military security establishment has effectively declared that for the foreseeable future Kursk is their psyop fairground.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-russia-offensive-prisoners-of-war-invasion-kursk-zelenskyy-putin/

Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 15 2024 16:35 utc | 146

@ Ludovic | Aug 15 2024 16:35 utc | 148
more white helmets bullshit from the west.. thanks for the update..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2024 16:39 utc | 147

Ludovic | Aug 15 2024 16:35 utc | 148
Optics for the western audience. Perception management…..
The property I lived on outside Charleville in Queensland was approx 800 square kilometers. Depending on source, Nato holds about half or just over half of the one average to small size cattle/sheep property. That puts it a bit more in perspective.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:41 utc | 148

I smell NATO and the EU all over this.Just my two cents.
BTW, ran across these below:
Ukraine’s Ombudsman explains purpose of establishing military commandants’ offices in Russia’s Kursk Oblast https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/08/14/7470433/
Zelensky Doubles Down as His Front Collapses https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-81424-zelensky-doubles-down

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Aug 15 2024 16:45 utc | 149

NATO is essaying at establishing beachheads within Russia proper
Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 15 2024 16:35 utc | 148

Wake me up when the NATO beachhead is in Kaliningrad or on the Finland boarder.
Until then NATO is just losing a game of wack-a-mole.
The diffuse lineless Kursk incursion will wither on the vine without supporting logistics.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 15 2024 16:47 utc | 150

Kursk Salient 2.0. Fascinating that the Western generals who helped engineer this growing debacle chanced to create a novel twist to the ultimate turning-point in WWII. In the summer of ’43 Hitler overrode the cautions of his general staff and attempted to slow or perhaps even turn around the steady Russian advance by concocting two major army groups tasked with pinching off that Russian Kursk salient into the German lines…one from the north and the other from the south.
Leading the charge were the latest in massive Tiger tanks. Due to a crypto-Communist, Richard Sorge, embedded within the German embassy in Tokyo managing to access German war-plans for Kursk; Stalin and his marshals and generals were able to access both siting and timing intel. To buttress Sorge’s information; the USSR intel people added the latest revelations from the “Rotte Kapelle”, a group of mostly Communist Germans who were so positioned as to access Wehrmacht intentions.
Acting on those intel sources, as well as aircraft reconnaissance; the Russian general staff developed what was likely the most heavily developed defense in depth in modern military history. “Schwerpunkts” as the Germans labeled them, were spread all across the landscape. These pockets included 76 mm anti-tank guns, supported by machine-gun nests, mortars and sappers armed with explosive-laden canvas bags…satchel-charges. Those sappers were perhaps the forerunner of Hamas tactics against Izzy Merkava main battle tanks. Without direct on the ground infantry support; tanks are essentially death-traps when faced with sapper tactics…as they happen to be blind in nearly a 270 degree radius calculated from their rear ends.
Russian tanks and aerial supremacy, the latter focused primarily on the lethal Shtormovik armored low-level attack planes, backed up by fighter planes at higher altitudes which prevented German fighters from attacking those black-painted tank killers from above.
Thus, a carefully calculated, multidimensional defense in depth was enabled to turn the tables on the invaders. When the Krauts were still in offensive mode…one of their key strategies was to create what they called “Kesselschlachts” (slaughter of enemy forces trapped within a kettle). This time around, the well informed and fully prepared Red Army broke numerous Panzer divisions as well as infantry.
The Wehrmacht never recovered from their humongous losses.
History may or may not repeat. However, it amazes me no end that the NATO led and infused Ukie forces, actually chose to make their move on the Kursk Oblast instead of a less haunting locus.
With massive air supremacy, along with near total artillery dominance; the R.U. military is systematically grinding up some of the best trained equipped elements remaining in Kiev’s bag of tricks. Those once advancing Ukie troops are trapped within that “Kesselschlacht”. Retreat has been rendered essentially impossible, due to Russian artillery supremacy at the inner flanks of the bulge. At the same time, the essence of military success, logistics, have been rendered impossible to re-supply their forces.
The Western mercenaries who make up a not insignificant proportion of the invading troops will see no mercy. A generalized surrender of ethnic Ukrainians is also a dead end, as command and control headquarters have been largely decimated; along with the fact that most of their units are hardly a unified force, rather are isolated in pockets.
Kursk Salient 2.0 signals the impending collapse of the entire Kiev and NATO war effort. This ongoing battle was their “Hail Mary” incursion. Mop-up actions there and on the main Eastern Front are looming. Industrialized cities, towns and villages in defendable terrain have been mostly captured by the R.U. forces. Beyond them to the West is open steppe country which cannot be successfully defended by a frequently defeated, outnumbered and battle weary Ukrainian army.
The Fat Lady has yet to belt out her Aria…but the writing Is on the wall and is quite legible.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 15 2024 16:47 utc | 151

At least the Russians only have a few thousand invaders on their soil.
That many arrive in England every day.
And the Russians have a good chance of driving theirs out; in England the government welcomes them and sticks them in hotels at the expense of the taxpayer.

Posted by: Truthsayer | Aug 15 2024 16:51 utc | 152

Nato holds about half or just over half of the one average to small size cattle/sheep property. That puts it a bit more in perspective.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:41 utc | 150
Although the 100,000+ Russian refugees in Krusk are human being, not sheep. Nice fantasy.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 16:55 utc | 153

Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 16:55 utc | 155
Fuck off troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:55 utc | 154

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 16:26 utc | 140
Fuck off you boozed up Aussie cunt and get back to your outback shithole.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 15 2024 16:56 utc | 155

Ritter is back with a new video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q9Gfkp4Wp0

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 16:56 utc | 156

“the German fascists and their Ukrainian allies also committed war crimes – and lost the fight.”
Truly a moment of “History repeats itself”.
Of course the second time as farce.
Russia would get less pain to remove Nazi this time, And as farce, this time Nazi are commanded by real comedian.

Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 15 2024 16:56 utc | 157

It’s not stabilised yet. Good job Donbass is doing well.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 15 2024 15:05 utc | 99

It’s not stablized simply because there’s tiny AFU groups racing madly around the countryside raising hell. They don’t control much but they do cover a lot of ground. Kinda like a Nazi version of “The Rat Patrol”.
There’s very little that Ukraine actually controls, and anywhere where they have a substantial presence they’re suffering horrific losses.
The AFU isn’t accomplishing anything other than generating NAFO-friendly headlines before dying.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 15 2024 16:59 utc | 158

Denis etc@1615
Is any poster more senseless than this?

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 15 2024 16:59 utc | 159

Posted by: Truthsayer | Aug 15 2024 16:51 utc | 154
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Invaders? Did Anglos think they could conduct the slave trade, the Opium War, and steal India’s jewels and that the bill would never come due?
Those “invaders” are karma.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2024 16:59 utc | 160

Although the 100,000+ Russian refugees in Krusk are human being, not sheep. Nice fantasy.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 16:55 utc | 155
Just for your information: They aren’t refugees. Though, some are held by the Ukrainian Nazis awaiting torture, execution or human shield service.
https://www.unhcr.org/refugees#:~:text=A%20refugee%20is%20someone%20who,that%20refugees%20are%20entitled%20to.
“A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee conflict or persecution and has crossed an international border to seek safety.”

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 17:00 utc | 161

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 16:55 utc | 155
Don’t forget to donate…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 15 2024 17:00 utc | 162

As a side note there are a lot>/i> more than 100,000 Ukrainian refugees…

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 17:01 utc | 163

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 16:55 utc | 155
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Where are the F-16s?
Is the Ghost of Kiev going to be leading their attacks?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2024 17:02 utc | 164

Yep. Last count was 7 million in Russia and 10 million scattered throughout Europe. No doubt higher than that now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:03 utc | 165

From what I can glean, it seems the Niu York front is collapsing and the Ukrainian situation in the east in general is about to follow suit. The attack in the Kursk area failed its objective in re: nuclear blackmail, and was likely launched either because the imminent collapse of the Donetsk front was seen in Kiev, and this was their hail-Mary; or that collapse became imminent as the result of a gambit organized with higher-level goals- like US elections, maintaining NATO/EU support, or buying time for some other gambit elsewhere on the globe. In either case, it looks like Kiev has considerably shortened the war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 15 2024 17:03 utc | 166

It’s rather entertaining to watch the troll’s attempts to get the best of PeterAU1. I happen to have the perfect analogy for those efforts as they’re well represented in this video put up by RT, “WATCH soldier headbutt incoming kamikaze drone”. I just hope this link functions properly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 15 2024 17:03 utc | 167

@DenisSaintDenis | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc
If anyone finishes the war, it will be Russia. The only reason it is pro-longed is the US. The US spent billions just to have a regime-change in Ukraine. We’ve spent many more billions for promoting the war. The motive all along was for Crimea and the Donbas. Beyond that, Russia is a huge country, rich in natural resources, like titainium, urainium and oil. The US (Wall St & Chevron) thinks that it has a right to those riches, hence the drive to break up Russia, it’s Balkanization. But money won’t buy a win in the war vs. Russia. The US couldn’t buy a win in Vietnam, Iraq, nor Afghanistan. And Russia is in a completely different weight class than those countries….not to mention they’re morally on the right side.

Posted by: zeke2u | Aug 15 2024 17:03 utc | 168

The thing to ask is–did the Ukrainians stop shooting Russians when Russians put their hands up to surrender or not? If they did, no war crime. If they killed Russians after clearly indicating their desire to surrender–war crime. I would be interested to know the relative number of war crimes perpetrated by both sides–I am guessing the Russians win the prize for most war crimes by weight…
As for the incursion–I am guessing that the aim is NOT to take territory. My guess is that Ukraine is looking at history, specifically American history to see how to defeat a bigger rival, as say Vietnam did half a century ago. The Tet Offensive was a tactical failure, but a strategic success. The balloon of America’s belief, backed by official pronouncements that “we were winning the war” got punctured. Without public support or acquiescence, prosecuting the war becomes harder and America finally gave it away. Losing Walter Cronkite was entre to losing the American public. Whether the same thing would happen in Russia is less likely I think, but still on the table, given the advantages of an authoritarian regime that has a lot more control of the media space then is the case in the US.

Posted by: Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:06 utc | 169

Of course the second time as farce.
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 15 2024 16:56 utc | 159
“Second time as comedy, third as farce.” 😉

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 17:08 utc | 170

Incidentally both the Ritter and the McGregor new analyses are qualitatively better than usual.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 17:11 utc | 171

The longer this war goes on, the closer we get to Armageddon. Why can’t Russia finish this? Is it because Russia is not as powerful as the propaganda tells us it is? That it does not, in fact, have the power to withstand the combined Ukraine/NATO/US/UK/Mercenary military might?
Anybody else sensing this?
Posted by: DenisSaintDenis | Aug 15 2024 16:15 utc | 132
Russia is not powerful enough to ‘prevent’ the US/NATO/Israel from launching a nuclear war- ie, touching off Armageddon. Nobody is. They have a significant deterrent to the saner heads in the west because they also can touch of Armageddon, but saner heads seem to be in short supply in western leadership circles.
The situation is like a hostage situation in which a bunch of psychopaths have trapped a huge number of people in a place wired with explosives. The SWAT team outside can pick off individual psychopaths, but not without the others set off their bombs. You seem to want the SWAT team to just start blasting away, which shows you don’t understand that you, like everyone else on the planet, are one of the hostages. As a fellow hostage, I encourage you to keep calm and give the hostage negotiators a chance to talk the psychos down and let everyone walk out of the building.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 15 2024 17:14 utc | 172

given the advantages of an authoritarian regime that has a lot more control of the media space then is the case in the US.

Posted by: Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:06 utc | 171
Looking at the state of the Western MSM generally, I’m surprised you can say that and keep a straight face at the same time.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 15 2024 17:15 utc | 173

Tichy | Aug 15 2024 17:11 utc | 173
I don’t bother with Macgregor anymore. He may have learned a bit more now, but he only understands the American way of war and was completely misleading in the first year or so of the SMO.
Also his recent tweets on Venezuela. To him the Venzuelan government are commies that need to be ousted.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:15 utc | 174

I think Zelensky and his top aides are about to be sacrificed by the Western power. Because it’s curious that the Western propaganda machines have been reporting on the misdeeds of Zelensky and his illegal regime. Just a few days ago the same FT or some other rag wrote that Zaluzhnyi ordered the bombing of Nord Stream pipeline.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 15 2024 17:17 utc | 175

Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:06 utc | 171
They have posted a number of videos of their war crimes. I watched one video of a Ukraine armoured unit driving up a main road leading through a town that the lead units had already been through. All civilian cars that had been driving on that road were shot up and off the side of the road.
Another video I watched was a Ukraine/Nato drone targeting a civilian car.
There will be much more and this is why Russia has declared it and anti terrorist operation.
I’m a bit surprised they are taking prisoners but hopefully those prisoners will spend the rest of their lives in a Siberian penal colony building roads.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:22 utc | 176

Hi Jeremy,
“In total, 638 airplanes and 279 helicopters, 30,005 unmanned aerial vehicles, 569 air defence missile systems, 17,064 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,400 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 13,247 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 24,738 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.”
Ukraine has lost 17064 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles? I know you say these are unconfirmed, but don’t you think that the numbers are a tad, just a tad exaggerated? And if the exaggerate at this level, why believe anything they offer you?

Posted by: Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:23 utc | 177

@aristodemos | Aug 15 2024 16:47 utc
Kursk 1.0: Soviet military might was formidable because Soviet heavy industry was fully mobilized for war: manufacturing a custom-built range of reliable, proven hardware and weapons in huge numbers.
Yes, the II-2 “Shturmovik” proved to be an outstanding ground attack aircraft, far more versatile than German planes. The Soviet T- 34 medium tank and KV heavy tank had admirable streamlined design and rolled off assembly lines at up to 2,000 a month; whereas German Panzer tanks were often beset with mechanical problems and experienced huge spare parts problems. Monthly production of the German tank Pzkw IV (itself inferior to the T-34 in every respect except in the gun-power of its latest version) only topped 100 in October 1942.
The German attack began on 5 July; by 12 July it had been ground down and halted in the north of the salient; in the south, by 23 July. Soviet counter offensives began and continued until early November. The Red Army broke out of the salient, retook Kiev and crossed the River Dniepr. German losses at Kursk were greater than at Stalingrad.
Almost a year before the allied landings in France, the Soviet victory at Kursk sealed the outcome of WWII. After defeats at Moscow (its first, ever) and Stalingrad, Germany had managed to rally and inflict some reverses; after Kursk, Hitler’s armies were forced into an almost continuous retreat. At Kursk, on ground of Germany’s choosing, the Red Army beat and hurled back the Wehrmacht in high summer, hitherto Germany’s best campaigning season. The superiority of socialism was confirmed in that most exacting test. And for that, Germany and the US never forgave the Russians.

Posted by: zeke2u | Aug 15 2024 17:23 utc | 178

Mary 131
<"TWO THOUSAND+ Russian soldiers captured by Ukraine! Posted by: bored | Aug 15 2024 11:31 utc | 27" What a coincidence. Russia said, a couple days ago, that 2,000 *civilians* are trapped by the Ukes.>
Good observation!

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 17:25 utc | 179

Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:23 utc | 179
Piss off troll. The entirety of Nato, of the so called west, has run out of weapons and ammo.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:25 utc | 180

Although the point isn’t made here often, Belousov’s speech at the Army Tech Forum a few days ago reminded all that the top tier of Russian leaders have all said the same thing: Russia is at war with NATO and most particularly the Outlaw US Empire which is struggling to keep its global hegemony alive. That’s the strategic, Big Picture aspect of this conflict. And when the Ukraine chapter is over, or perhaps is almost finished, the one in Moldova will commence–I’ll be publishing Maria Zakharova’s update on the Moldova situation later this morning at my substack.
I see NATO’s position as quite similar to that of a gambler with extremely deep pockets on a losing streak yet utterly convinced his luck will change, while the Casino lets him continue while keeping an eye on the level of losses. The gambler meanwhile tells his valet to call his banker friends and ask for a few more millions he can use once his luck changes.
There’s also a set of lines from “Life in the Fast Lane” that’re applicable:
“Call the doctor; I think I’m going to crash;
The doctor says he’s coming; but you’ve got to pay in cash.”
And that metaphorically sums up where the Outlaw US Empire stands as it tries to roll a series of sevens instead of the twos, threes, and twelves it and other high rollers continue to toss. The problem of course is that the dice are made in China and the table felt is from Iran.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 15 2024 17:29 utc | 181

A response to rk’s post toward the end of the last Ukraine thread:

Other people are far from this stupidity level: “We don’t want escalation, and we don’t want war against NATO (…) But if they do, and it’ll start, well… we won’t have another choice. There will be no red lines. The line is the state border. As soon as they step on it, I say as a border guard, the answer will be instantaneous” Lukashenko said. More than 20 brigades are ready to prevent a border breakthrough from Ukraine ( topcor.ru/50582-belarus-gotova-zadejstvovat-bolee-20-brigad-u-granicy-s-ukrainoj-lukashenko.html )

Posted by: rk | Aug 15 2024 14:49 utc | 1063
I’ve long thought that a real union* between Belarus and Russia would be a great thing, as long as it would be Belarus absorbing Russia, and not the other way around. (Sort of like the reverse take-over of Boeing by McDonnell-Douglas, only once again in reverse, because it would be the incompetent and corrupt being thrown out, instead of the other way around.) Lukashenko is not the only example, it seems to go for the whole state apparatus and society: From the military, the heavy industry, the culture, everything seems to have retained the best from the old USSR while moving forward where required.
While Belarus is obviously not the military power Russia is, there’s more reason to believe that what’s supposed to be there is actually there, and that the general staff isn’t just composed of grifters like Shoigu and Gerasimov. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that China has shown a consistent preference for investing in Belarus over Russia, and relations with Iran haven’t been regularly interrupted by sudden outbursts of philo-Semitism and (comically extreme and maudlin, at times) pro-Israel sentiment as with Putin.
Now Belarus obviously avoided much of the privatization and the emergence of an oligarch class, but most importantly, there seems to be a lot of truth to the old Western trope that the Kremlin, in particular since Putin took power, has been a sort of theatre state (with many similarities with the garbage Berlusconi brought to Italian TV). Constant, repeated announcements of projects (how many times has the MiG-41 been annonced and re-announced, or the izdeliye 30 engine for the Su-57, the resumption of Il-96 production, the PAK DA, the “Slon” all-Russian successor the An-124, the Il-276, the Moscow-Kazan and other high-speed railways, the revival of the Energia rocket, and years and decades go without even an explanation of the delays), parades and military drills, but all just for show and to keep up the pretense that things are happening behind the scenes.
The Aurus Senat limousine for Putin himself was brought to fruition but the development of an actual indigenous Russian automotive industry – regular cars for regular people – has gone absolutely nowhere since sanctions were introduced in 2014 (and before). Even Iran, under much heavier sanctions for much longer and with much more limited resources, has finally reached the goal of a fully domestic automobile platform, while Russia is light-years away from that.
Lukashenko, although bombastic in style, is a real leader with real red lines. He seems to be more similar to Erdogan in that he (pre-2021, when the West attempted its color revolution) used to try to play both sides, in the (at least perceived) interest of his own country, but just like Erdogan, he does not seem to crave the acceptance and love of the West’s elites and does not seem to have looked back at all since the West showed their true intentions toward his government.
I have never seen him bluff (as in make a promise or threat he then pretends he never made), while over the last 10 years I’ve probably seen/heard Putin and his government bluff literally hundreds of times. (Even though, bizarrely, I’ve seen the literal phrase “Putin doesn’t bluff” recur as a kind of meme.)
With all this said, I don’t believe for a second that Putin is a bought traitor, even if he was hand-picked by Yeltsin. To be honest, I don’t think Yeltsin was a paid agent of influence (that would give him far too much credit – Gorbachev is another matter though), just a subhuman, pathetic, moronic drunk. (Clinton was right to laugh at his expensive in public.) Putin is, in my estimation, just an extremely flawed, naive, misguided and weak leader, who, unfortunately like Merkel (there as many parallels, including their personalities and approaches to government) has cleared the field of promising successors (aka. rivals).
Like I’ve heard someone (it might have been Eric Striker) point out already, I think the best cause for optimism in Russia’s future is the many hundreds of thousands of young veterans who will one day return from the war and who will have zero tolerance for the corruption, incompetence and sheer laziness in the Russian state. I hope they will be as ruthless in exterminating it and those who were responsible for it as the Bolsheviks once were.
*Instead of Putin’s “Union State”, that, like everything else he says, he announces two or three times a year as a done deal and then 10 years later it still hasn’t happened. The thought just struck me that he might not just from autism but from some form of amnesia. It would be one of the less ominous explanations for behavior, to be honest.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 15 2024 17:29 utc | 182

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 15 2024 17:29 utc | 183
Best post I have read today-nice metaphor and indeed, accurate.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 15 2024 17:31 utc | 183

karlof1 | Aug 15 2024 17:29 utc | 183
I suspect we will see a change when the F16s come into play. That’s about when any pretense of a figleaf will be thrown away. Perhaps US will still lead from behind but we are moving toward direct Brit and European Nato publicly going to war with Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:33 utc | 184

*Instead of Putin’s “Union State”, that, like everything else he says, he announces two or three times a year as a done deal and then 10 years later it still hasn’t happened. The thought just struck me that he might not just from autism but from some form of amnesia. It would be one of the less ominous explanations for behavior, to be honest.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 15 2024 17:29 utc | 184
You are certainly an unread and unresearched trashbag.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:36 utc | 185

but don’t you think that the numbers are a tad, just a tad exaggerated? And if the exaggerate at this level, why believe anything they offer you?
Posted by: Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:23 utc | 179

you can do yourself a favour and check “ukraines” pre-“war” inventory, and then check the armour the west has sent them, stripping/buying from third-party nations older soviet gear (to of course replace with “better western” ones later down the road) and all the other reports of “donations”.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 15 2024 17:41 utc | 186

Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:23 utc | 179
“Piss off troll. The entirety of Nato, of the so called west, has run out of weapons and ammo.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:25 utc | 182
I think Cas asked a sincere question, your reaction is a ‘tad’ over the top.
With your intellect why not answer his idea with an opposing argument-he may be a troll but he might not be-let’s give newbies-and I am not talking about MOAs official “newbie” (TM)-just new guys.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 15 2024 17:41 utc | 187

The reason why barflies have trouble wrapping their heads around the Krusk incursion is that they have been duped by war propaganda.
Ukraine is not losing 50,000 troops a month. Millions of Ukrainians have not died in battle. That’s happy talk based on Russian propaganda.
If these nonsense causality numbers were true, I would also wonder how Ukraine is now able to invade Russia, after slowing the Russian advance, on all fronts, for years.
The fact is that Ukraine is not losing nearly the number of troops Russian propaganda claims, nor has Russia lost the number of troops Ukrainian propaganda claims. The barflies are imagining a gutted Ukrainian army that has lost a million men. This is why their fantasies of future victories seem so obtuse to the average person.
I would bet Russia has lost more men in the last few months. Russian troops are pressured to take land, to save face for Putin. They need to expose themselves on the front, engage, since Putin craves any good news regarding his stalled offensive.
If anything, Russia is showing signs of attrition. They’re assembling a hodgepodge of units to respond to Krusk. Leaders are also talking about introducing conscription. Convict armies are being pressed into action. Yet like ostriches, the barflies stick their heads in the sand and imagine an SMO that has no basis in reality.
Vladimir should give his propagandists a pay raise.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 17:44 utc | 188

canuck | Aug 15 2024 17:41 utc | 189
They stick their head in the door when trolls and replies to trolls are swamping the place, they will likely get hit.
I have watched too much killing to be worried about their precious ‘feelings’.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:45 utc | 189

Posted by: Cas | Aug 15 2024 17:23 utc | 179
What? Those aren’t “my” figures, they from the Russian Defence Ministry. If you have any substantive evidence that disproves their accuracy I am sure many here would be very interested in seeing it.
Just because the West habitually lies, there is no need to project the same mindset onto Russia.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 15 2024 17:47 utc | 190

Dmitry Orlov “War & Punishment” 6/20/24

“War and Punishment” is not just a great novel by a great Russian author Tolstoyevsky; it is also Russia’s foreign policy. Suppose you ignite a war on Russia’s border with the hopes of destroying Russia — and lose it. What do you suppose will happen to you next? Peace?
No, you will be punished. Your punishment, for didactic purposes, could be separated into five categories: financial, economic, political, social and cultural:
• Financially — your banking institutions will be shunned and your currencies will be excluded from international circulation, depriving you of banking profits, the benefits of seignorage and the continued ability to run structural trade and fiscal deficits and to run up debts.
• Economically — you will pay double or quadruple for key resources without which your industry will be unable to function — resources such as natural gas, enriched uranium, titanium for aircraft manufacturing, rare earths and noble gases for semiconductor manufacturing and much else. This will cause your industry to shrivel up, in turn making it impossible to maintain your civilian and military infrastructure.
• Politically — your politicians will become so vastly unpopular that they will get voted out of office. The entire political elite will crumble and be replaced by random people off the street who will proceed to make things worse — much worse. With each next iteration, demagogues will be replaced by charlatans, charlatans by mafiosi and mafiosi by monsters.
• Socially — your societies will splinter into those who can’t stop lying and those who can’t stand listening to any more lies, resulting in social strife and conflict. A constant low-intensity civil war will periodically flare up to a conflagration, engulfing this or that once great city until only ruins and ashes will remain of it.
• Culturally — your culture will come to be regarded as based on lies and therefore degenerate and toxic and will be excluded by much of the rest of the world as a dangerous, contagious disease. Your cultural scene will come to be dominated by freaks, from morbidly obese beauty queens to “musicians” whose art consists of shouting out streams of obscenities. Your very language will become so vulgar that the rest of the world will bleep out your every attempt to communicate.
Shifting from the general to the specific, let us talk about the former Ukraine in light of Putin’s recent speech before the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The full text of it is available here [http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/74285%5D and I very much recommend that you read it in its entirety. In this speech, Putin gave specific instructions to his colleagues at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, detailing what it is that they are authorized to communicate to their counterparts in other nations.
What these MFA officials have been tasked with is to break through a chorus of lies endlessly repeated by Western media and officials. The staggeringly huge lie at the center of it all is the assertion, endlessly repeated, that Russia’s Special Military Operation (SMO) to demilitarize and denazify the former Ukraine is “an unprovoked act of aggression.” As Putin explained, it is, in fact, a police action to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe.
In February of 2022, Ukrainian troops were massed on the border of Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, shelling civilian districts and getting ready to invade. Russia’s timely response prevented a full-blown humanitarian disaster. Since Donetsk and Lugansk are inhabited by Russians who are scarcely different from those living across the border in Rostov, Belgorod and Voronezh regions, Russia was saving the lives of its own people.
Please don’t confuse SMO with the Washingtonians’ favorite ploy which they call “responsibility to protect” or R2P, championed by the world-class hypocrite Samantha Power. This ploy generally involves using a fake humanitarian crisis to unleash unprovoked aggression such as against Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Syria. Also note that the Ukraine had lost its sovereignty in the violent government overthrow of 2014 and its military was operating under remote control from Washington, so that the over 6000 civilians murdered and the over 13500 civilians wounded in the Donbass by the Ukrainian military since 2014 are America’s genocide.
The first task is for Russia to win on the battlefield — then will come the punishment. War crimes have no jurisdictional boundaries and no statutes of limitations. Each war crime has a name, a rank and a serial number. Each war crime is punishable by life in prison or (local legislation allowing) execution. There is at the moment a moratorium on capital punishment in Russia, but in the future, by popular demand, it may be lifted for war criminals.
Execution by firing squad is considered the honorable way to die. A simple pistol shot to the head (what the Russians call a “control shot”) is relatively quick and painless. Public hanging was the fate of convicted war criminals after World War II. But what, pray tell, is to be done to the murderers of this young woman, Christina, who’s been called the Madonna of Gorlovka, killed using artillery or mortar fire? Why not be just a bit more creative?

=== Dmitry Orlov “War & Punishment” 6/20/24 (above is the first approx 3rd of this article):
Full article: https://boosty.to/cluborlov/posts/07a82414-207f-4316-9207-a7f773e44fd3?isFromFeed=true

Posted by: WillSeymour | Aug 15 2024 17:49 utc | 191

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 15 2024 17:44 utc | 190
Have you donated yet?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 15 2024 17:49 utc | 192

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 15 2024 17:49 utc | 194
all he can do is shill for his nazi-friends, he fell for every single propaganda lie and is now projecting.
“its easy to fool someone, but near impossible to convince them that they have been fooled!”

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 15 2024 17:51 utc | 193

“Lukashenko, although bombastic in style, is a real leader with real red lines.”
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 15 2024 17:29 utc | 184
like ususual you are abut 5-10 years out of date; this is from 2018:
“Belarus between East and
West: The Art of the Deal
Disputes over border management, gas prices, and the recognition of
Crimea: Belarus is increasingly at odds with its closest ally Russia.
President Lukashenko’s regime emphasizes its independent foreign
policy as a country between Russia and the West. There are signs of
Belarus strategically reorienting, but the actions taken also mirror
tactics used to extort lucrative concessions from both East and West.”
Lukashenko tried to do an Erdogan but he just didn’t have the geopolitical ummphh the Dardenelles straits have.
After being an idiot, embarrassing himself-Putin took him back ; I think like kingdoms in Eurasia once the King died in their will they left their country to Rome-same with Lukashenko-once he dies -Russia will once again be the Sovereign of Belarus

Posted by: canuck | Aug 15 2024 17:54 utc | 194

Also his recent tweets on Venezuela. To him the Venzuelan government are commies that need to be ousted.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:15 utc | 176
Yeah, there’s a reason I’m not too fond of him.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 15 2024 17:57 utc | 195

canuck | Aug 15 2024 17:54 utc | 196
The union deal was originally signed with Yeltsin, but then it just sat dormant right up to the Brit attempt at a colour revolution. Belarus tried to stay neutral, but as Bush said “You are either for or against”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 17:58 utc | 196

Here is my problem with this story. I believe there ought to be such a thing as a war crime and I believe international law can be a good thing. However, in reality, international law and the Geneva Conventions no longer hold sway. Israel and the USA/UK don’t follow any of this stuff. International law is notional not real. If the Empire pays no attention to those notional “laws” they don’t matter and are generally ignored by most countries. As we all know we are now under a “rules-based” order where Washington arbitrarily makes some “rule” and then changes it and so on and so on.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 15 2024 18:03 utc | 197

Napolean 190
If the assembled military of 40 countries cannot defeat the corrupt, incompetent, dysfunctional Russian army, then, one despairs entirely of hominid symbolic language to adequately compass the utter dereliction of the military offering of those 40 states. Are there limits to bad and useless?
Alternatively, your argument is missing a fact or two, or took a wrong turn somewhere.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 18:04 utc | 198

canuck | Aug 15 2024 17:41 utc | 189
We are now well into a changing of an era, a historical change. When everything is just chugging along business as usual, many abstract discussions take place, but that changed with both the Russia China joint statement and the announcement of the SMO. Both of those formally denotes the changing of historical eras.
I watch the people about me, still living in the past era and thinking it will go on forever. The rest of the world is now well educated and becoming prosperous. Much change.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 15 2024 18:07 utc | 199

If the assembled military of 40 countries…
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 15 2024 18:04 utc | 200

Nice.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 15 2024 18:07 utc | 200