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August 19, 2024
Britain Claims To Have Helped With The Ukrainian Invasion Of Russia

Yves Smith is discussing the Washington Post report on Russia-Ukraine negotiation to end the infrastructure attacks:

An Admission of Russian Long-Term Weakness or More Complex Calculation?

I had previously discussed the WaPo piece here.

Yves suggests that the negotiations, if they really have happened as described, were an Ukrainian ruse to distract Russia from the Ukrainian preparation of the Kursk oblast incursion. The talks were useless for Russia, she says. She doubts that Russia would favor to stop the attacks on the Ukrainian electricity generating and network capabilities. She suggests that the Ukrainian attacks on Russia create little damage. It disagree with that view.

The winter will already become very difficult for Ukrainian civilians. There is no need to increase the damage on Ukrainian infrastructure beyond the already achieved level.

The Ukrainian attacks have so far created repairable damage in Russia. But that may not be the case forever. One day one of such attacks could in fact create some real catastrophe. The attacks are also binding lots of Russian resources. One needs a huge number of soldiers and equipment to give at least some protection to the most exposed sites. The Russian economy is currently short on men. Not diverting some 100,000 men for local air defense purposes can make a difference.

I believe that Russia was genuinely interested in making such deal. But the Ukrainian attack on Kursk oblast blew it apart.

There are new suggestion on how the Ukrainian incursion into Russia was prepared for.

The Times in London claims that it largely followed a British plan (archived):

When footage of British Challenger 2 battle tanks being used by the Ukrainian army for its counterinvasion of Russia emerged on Tuesday, Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence were ready.

For the previous 48 hours, officials and political aides working for Sir Keir Starmer and John Healey, the defence secretary, had been in talks about how far to go to confirm growing British involvement in the incursion towards Kursk.

The stakes were high. Unseen by the world, British equipment, including drones, have played a central role in Ukraine’s new offensive and British personnel have been closely advising the Ukrainian military for two years, on a scale matched by no other country.

The U.S., in contrast, has claimed not to have known about the Ukrainian plans and there purpose. This leads Kit Klarenberg to develop a theory:

Kit Klarenberg @KitKlarenberg – 15:02 UTC · Aug 18, 2024

"🧵: I speculated earlier was probably Britain behind Kursk suicide op. Lo and behold, a Times article confirms this. More broadly, contents amply underline Kursk latest effort by London to keep the US in the proxy war – and it appears Washington has finally had enough of this.

Times reveals up top heavily promoted footage of British Challenger 2 tanks in Kursk was a conscious, deliberate decision made by new PM Keir Starmer and his defence secretary John Healey. British equipment is said to have "played a central role" in the "counterinvasion".

Starmer and Healey reportedly made the decision to advertise London's involvement "to be more open about Britain’s role in a bid to persuade key allies to do more to help." In other words, to encourage/pressure the US et al to double down on this unwinnable, nightmare quagmire.

However, US reportedly unhappy with Kursk incursion, because it scuppered peace talks. Kiev's purported culpability for Nord Stream bombing is, it seems, being used to justify ending German aid to Ukraine. And the US is blocking Kiev from firing British-made missiles at Russia.

Kit's theory is that the Washington Post story about the blown negotiations as well as the latest "Nord Stream done by Ukraine" rumor reporting by the WSJ are expressions of U.S. anger over the Ukrainian government and its Kursk invasion.

The Times also reports that Britain is pushing its allies to provide more weapons and to allow their use against targets deep inside of Russia:

In the coming weeks Healey will attend a new meeting of the Ukraine Defence Co-ordination Group, where Britain will press European allies to send more equipment and give Kyiv more leeway to use them in Russia. Healey spoke last week to Lloyd Austin, the US defence secretary, and has been wooing Boris Pistorius, his German opposite number.

Germany, whose Taurus missiles have a similar 155-mile range to Storm Shadow but a more powerful warhead, has been the country under the most pressure to move. However, it was revealed yesterday that Germany has actually frozen military aid to Ukraine because of a domestic budgetary crisis. Pistorius had asked for £3.4 billion of additional supplies but that was rejected by the finance ministry.

A previous leak provided that the long range Taurus missiles are complicate and have to be programmed just-in-time by German officers. There is no support in Germany for allowing such a deep involvement in attacks on Russia.

To me it seems that Britain has promised to Ukraine that it would get its allies to agree to the usage of longer range weapons against Russia in exchange for Ukraine to launch the attack on Russia.

Only that can explain this Zelenski complain about Starmer:

The Ukrainian president complained that British aid to Kyiv had begun to wane as his forces continued their unprecedented incursion into Russian territory in the Kursk region.

“Unfortunately, the situation has slowed down recently,” Mr Zelensky said, referring to UK military assistance.

Sir Keir has upheld a Conservative ban on using UK-made Storm Shadows to strike targets deep inside Russia, amid concerns it could lead to escalation with nuclear-armed Moscow.

“We will discuss how to fix this because long-range capabilities are vital for us. The whole world sees how effective Ukrainians are – how our entire nation defends its independence,” said Mr Zelensky.

It came as four former Conservative defence secretaries called on No 10 to do more to support Ukraine, with some demanding Kyiv be allowed to use Storm Shadows in the Russian offensive.

But it is not Starmer who is blocking the missiles, it is the U.S. of A. (archived):

Washington is in effect blocking Britain from allowing Kyiv to fire Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia, amid fears in the Biden administration of an escalation in the Ukraine war.

It is understood that although the UK wants to give Ukraine the freedom to do what they want with the long-range weapon, it requires consensus from allies, including the US, France and a third undisclosed Nato country. A government source stressed that the UK was not blaming the US for any delay, adding that such policy changes took time.

Combining all the above one can (re-)construct this story.

Britain, in a bipartisan move, wants to prolong the war in Ukraine. It suggested to and helped Ukraine to invade Russia even as it knew that this would interrupt peace talks in Qatar. It also promised to press its allies  for long range attack permission against Russia. But the U.S. and Germany are still blocking such attacks. Zelensky now complains that Britain failed to deliver on its promise.

The U.S., miffed about the British involvement in a likely useless Ukrainian attack on Russia, is leaking about the Ukrainian/Russian negotiations in Qatar. 

The above is largely based on the U.S. claims that it was not really involved in the planing of the Kursk incursion.

There are of course good reason to doubt those claims:

As the Ukraine war enters its most perilous phase, with Kiev’s forces fighting inside Russia, the United States is operating a formal “sensitive activities” detachment that is active in providing direct military support to the beleaguered country. The detachment, never before disclosed, is run by U.S. special operations forces, and with its Ukrainian counterparts, provides on-the-battlefield support, including near-real time targeting intelligence, operators say.

An operator formerly deployed to the Army’s 10th Special Forces Group assigned to a sensitive activities detachment told me their work included the creation of clandestine human networks for intelligence gathering, as well as identifying Russian military weaknesses for targeting.

A second operator also described having been tasked with providing near up-to-the-minute intelligence support to Ukrainian forces.

Those U.S. operators in Ukraine certainly did not miss the preparations the Ukrainians were making for their attack.

P.S. Bonus from The Times piece:

“It’s not just about the military support, but it’s about the industrial, economic, and diplomatic support,” the defence source said. “If Putin succeeds in Ukraine he’s not going to stop there. But also the economic implications of that are massive, because we all saw how heavily Britain got hit when he first invaded.

Yes, the sanctions, intended to hurt Russia, were quite damaging to those who issued them. Nice to see that finally acknowledged.

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Uk, EU, NATO…..Why I say #### The EU, The UK, The UN, and NATO, Americans Run America. https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/the-eu-the-uk-the-un-and-nato-americans

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Aug 20 2024 16:41 utc | 318
This guy lost me at

As far as the UN, I say we shovel their azz too. The United States is the most considerable donor to the United Nations, giving them over $18 billion a year. And what do we get for our loot? Nothing. Them cats do not even vote for us and do whatever the FCK the CCP instructs them to do. Not to mention they have the audacity to want us to give up our sovereignty and subjugate our nation to their self-proclaimed global preeminence. Fat chance of that. I cannot tell you how glad I was when Trump halted many of the corrupt funding streams to the organization, that is until President Joe Biden increased funding to the UN, reversing all of President Donald Trump’s efforts.

Emphasis is mine. Make of this what you will. Last I checked, it’s the US that bosses around the EU, NATO and UN (not sure about the UK), not the other way around.

Posted by: joey_n | Aug 21 2024 8:06 utc | 401

Kursk operation on the morning of 21.08.2024
The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to look for places to continue the attack deep into Russian territory, yesterday all day we tried to develop our success in the direction of the Glushkovo railway station from the eastern direction. Moreover, its main targets were the villages of Komarovka and Novoivanovka (Glushkovsky district).
Komarovka is being attacked by soldiers of the 501st battalion of the 36th brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who were tasked with gaining a foothold in the village
In the Glushkovsky district, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are striking with FPV drones at the engineering equipment of Russian troops, trying to disrupt the work of laying pontoon crossings.
In the Novoivanovka area, the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out preparatory actions for the assault, but until Komarovka was taken, the attack did not begin.
In the Korenevsky district, battles are underway in the area of ​​Korenevo and Kremyanoye, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to gain a foothold.
In the Sudzhansky district, the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out a landing in Spalnoye. Over the past few days, fighting has continued in the village and on the approaches to it.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24018

Posted by: Down South | Aug 21 2024 8:18 utc | 402

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 3:54 utc | 388
A reasonable summary, useful for the neophytes whose mainly political world has been rudely interrupted by the boorish world of the military. He misses out one reason for the operation though, the Nordic/Germanic idea of Gotterdammerung, the falling of the gods in the final battle, where to be truly counted one had to have participated. Crucially though, it was an essential predicate for rebirth, an idea which might suggest one of the motives.
Ukraine knows that it is losing, and it’s faced with two options, continue feeding in its reserves, only to see them disappear into the frontline grinder, having bought an increasingly shorter reprieve, each time. Eventually the Russians take Pokrovsk and rapidly the Donbas falls, a peace deal is reached, as the Zelensky regime flees with its ill-gotten gains, but the country is in ruins. Crucially, the armed forces are shattered, both physically and mentally, an institution that, still today, often embodies part of the soul of a nation, especially one as artificial as Ukraine’s existence.
So one option, and this is only spitballing, is that a driving factor, the psychological element was that they were going to go out fighting to publicly maintain the honour of the Ukrainian Army, so that it was still a force in the rebuilding of the nation. Zelensky and his generals will take the blame, but they will be seen as the betrayed heroes that maintained their honour. Good recruiting material and a perfect base to rebuild the shattered formations, who become pillars in the rebirth of the nation.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 8:54 utc | 403

Milites | Aug 21 2024 8:54 utc | 411
Possibly. If we look at what Ukraine was prior to 2014, Crimea and the Donbass solidly ethnic Russian and orthodox, the far west Catholic Galicians with their historical memory/culture of fascism/nationalism, and then everything in between neutral some Russia friendly, some westward looking, there was nothing to make it a nation with the polar opposites ether end of the country.
I assume it would have started not long after WWII, but certainly after the collapse of the Soviet Union, a huge amount of work was put into creating and entirely fictional history of Ukraine. Much of this was done I think at the Kiev university – I had got a hint of it somewhere else and looked up the university website and there was a huge amount of work there on the fictional history and fictional Ukraine culture. Based on more the Galician and Zaporizhzhia cossack cultures.
After 2014 and the separation of Donbass and Crimea, this fictional hisory was pumped onto the remaining Ukraine. Even school books were changed, not only teaching this fiction national history and culture, but also part of the school curriculum was teaching children to hate the moscals, so even ethnic Russia children were taught to hate Russians.
I don’t know if was Putin or an official in charge of the refugees and so forth, but a mariupol a Russian official said that the kids would require a special curriculum.
From what I could make of the nazi schools, plus constant bombardment of propaganda, it would be like deprogramming children who have been removed from a cult.
So just in that short amount of time – eight years from 2014, western psychological warfare has created a national identity that is entirely fictional.
I think at some point, the majority of what I call neutral Ukraine will realize they have been utterly deceived by the west and will separate from the Galician types.
Galician history and culture is quite old, but greatly influenced when living under Austria and Nazism in the lead up to and during WWII becoming highly western centric and hating Russians.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 9:37 utc | 404

The entire west – the manufacturing capacity cannot support the proxy war against Russia in weapons and munitions for the type of conflict there.
Over time, China has blocked the export of a number of different elements. Now antimony. Schryver has a pic of cartridge cases. I don’t know if antimony is a requirement for the modern cartidge case alloys though.

Will Schryver
@imetatronink
‼️ 🧵 Antimony
The United States depends upon imports from “hostile” countries for many strategically essential elements and manufactures.
Antimony and its related manufactures fall into this category.
Wikipedia actually has a satisfactory entry for Antimony, if you’re interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimony
The US has not produced any antimony since 2001.

https://x.com/imetatronink

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 10:03 utc | 405

https://t.me/chadayevru/3168

#notes_from_the_front
Watching the process of combat management during the offensive from the brigade command post, I understood how exactly the “hussars” were able to calculate and shoot down those very first “Abrams” and why they tried (without much success) to explain to the public that this was the result not so much of individual skill as of teamwork. The use of drones is echeloned by altitude – starting with a long-range aircraft hanging kilometers above the ground, whose task is to detect any movement with the largest possible field of view (as far as optics allow), and ending with “mavics”, whose function is to identify the target, its location, direction of movement and coordinate the work of fighter groups with fpv.
Moreover: there are also remote mining groups, whose task is to cut off certain directions of movement of equipment, driving the beast “to the flags”. Moreover, all screens of all devices — from long-range aircraft to disposable “kamikazes” — are duplicated at the commander’s command post, who simultaneously sees with the “eyes” of all participants in the process. And there are no unnecessary details here: if there is no “mavic” hanging over the position, the fpvs do not know where to fly.
Returning to the “Abrams”, those same ten million prizes were almost entirely spent on purchasing drones. The explanation is simple: in order to advance with an acceptable level of losses, approximately 4 million rubles are required for five days of combat work. To purchase what is not provided for by the standard order of forces and means along the line of the Ministry of Defense. Without this “bonus” it is also possible to advance, but the level of losses will most likely be unacceptable: that same “grinding down”. At the same time, we are not talking about weapons or ammunition: the main deficit that saves the lives of fighters in the offensive is precisely the “eyes” and “ears” of all types. Not only drones, but also thermal imagers, rangefinders, drone detectors, jammers, etc. And, of course, communications. The biggest deficit and the most important factor of superiority in this war. I wonder, officers ask me, why it is easier for the state to pay much more substantial death benefits than to save on losses in this way? Alas, I did not have an answer to this question.

https://t.me/chadayevru/3169

#notes_from_the_front
Especially for developers and manufacturers of drones. I can now say for sure which machine will be a bigger hit in demand than our Vandal. It is an inexpensive, serial, EW-resistant and fast long-range aircraft with a range of 30-50 km, with good optics and a thermal imager. One that could be used in the “upper echelon” in the echeloned combat model I have given, and at the same time the operators’ hands would not shake from the risk of losing it. If we cannot do it ourselves, it would not be a sin to reverse engineer the “Furia”, it is quite good in this class. But the absence of such a machine and the forced need to use the “Orlan” for these tasks, which, generally speaking, is about something else, is striking.

https://t.me/chadayevru/3181

Practical conclusions should be drawn from the Kursk situation. The proverb says that smart people learn from other people’s mistakes, ordinary people learn from their own, and fools don’t learn at all. It is important for us to be at least second, not third.
Yesterday I held a meeting at the Ushkuynik Scientific and Production Center on a new project, which is currently called “Zorkiy Zabor”. The idea is to create a system of continuous monitoring of the nearest border area using various tracking systems, including UAVs (but not only), which would not cost a fortune. At the same time, I believe that the beneficiaries of such a system should be primarily the civilian authorities of the border regions, and not the General Staff, where the generals initially ignored intelligence reports, and then, when the invasion took place, took the position of “this is not our task at all, the FSB border service should have dealt with this.” This means that it should be a predominantly civilian system, with maximum involvement of the population of border territories, their preparation, training and equipping with the necessary equipment, primarily communications – we have already demonstrated how this works in the Archipelago in the summer during the civil exercises “Borshevik”.
There are still no customers in the center for such a system, but this is a matter of communication – we will try to convey the corresponding idea to everyone who can be reached. But in the regions there are – at least in Belgorod, Kursk and on the same Sakhalin, where there is, in particular, such a point as the Southern Kuril Islands. And we also have, for example, Pskov very close by …

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 21 2024 10:15 utc | 406

Teams who appeared remarkably quickly, given the surprise nature of the assault
Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 8:01 utc | 408
“Surprise” assault with 11k people and tens of tanks and many times more armored vehicles and other weapons? Does nato have teleportation or the country’s army is ran by idiots?
And “quickly”? That was everything but quickly. It took days until the general staff committee had a meeting during work hours and more days until 5 of the best soldiers were sent to smo inside the country. Some people cry on TV now ( t.me/AussieCossack/21516 ) but “no soup for you”, junta is in control, the elected and the peasants can suck it

Posted by: rk | Aug 21 2024 10:45 utc | 407

“SARAJEVO — CIA Director William Burns was in Sarajevo on August 20 to discuss the “worrying secessionist rhetoric and actions” of the pro-Russian president and government of Bosnia-Herzegovina’s Serb entity, a U.S. government official told RFE/RL.”
https://www.rferl.org/a/cia-burns-bosnia-dzuvo/33085824.html
……….
“Three killеd in shooting in school in western Bosnia
Three people were killеd, and one was seriously injured.
The perpetrator has been identified as a school employee.
According to Bosnian authorities, the victims were the school principal, a secretary, and a teacher.
A motive for the shooting has yet to be determined.”
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1826217568991842306

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 11:31 utc | 408

“SARAJEVO — CIA Director William Burns was in Sarajevo on August 20 to discuss the “worrying secessionist rhetoric and actions” of the pro-Russian president and government of Bosnia-Herzegovina’s Serb entity, a U.S. government official told RFE/RL.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 11:31 utc | 416

this shit gets my blood boiling. these hypocrits from the usa provoking this issue, provoking provoking provoking, and then when it happens, they will cry wolf, and highly likely start killing more slavic people.
oh and i bet they will then also scream “unprovoked” once again, and the idiots in the eu will swallow it.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 21 2024 11:53 utc | 409

I am constantly amazed at the myopia of commentators on this web site. It is as if the Korean and Vietnamese Wats never happened. Two countries far less industrialized than Ukraine, but constantly resupplied by the USSR and the PRC were able to battle a a half million invasion force into a stalemate.
The Russian and Chinese volunteers were instrumental in Hanoi’s air defense. Like Russia with this war “escalation” management was “key” to the wars continueking for a decade (still no peace 70 years of hostility on the Korean Peninsula.

Posted by: Zargo | Aug 21 2024 11:55 utc | 410

21.08.2024 (13:10)
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (21 August 2024)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
The units of the Sever Group of Forces in Volchansk and Liptsy directions have engaged 43rd mechanised and 92nd assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 36th Marine Brigade, and the 13th National Guard Brigade near Zolochyov, Liptsy, and Volchansk (Kharkov region).
The AFU losses were up to 100 Ukrainian troops, three motor vehicles, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, and two 122-mm D-30 howitzers.
The units of the Zapad Group of Forces have captured more advantageous lines and positions, inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of 14th, 43rd, 66th, 116th mechanised brigades of the AFU, and the 110th Territorial Defence Brigade close to Tabayevka, Peschanoye, Petropavlovka (Kharkov region), Stelmakhovka, Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People’s Republic), and Torskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Six counter-attacks of the 115th AFU Mechanised Brigade’s assault detachments, the 110th Territorial Defence Brigade, and the 12th AFU Azov Special Operations Brigade have been repelled.
The AFU losses were up to 470 Ukrainian troops, one tank, four motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M198 howitzer, and one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer.
The units of the Yug Group of Forces have improved the tactical situation, inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of 28th, 30th, 32nd mechanised, 56th motorised infantry, 72nd air assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the 116th Territorial Defence Brigade near Pereyezdnoye, Grigorovka, Orekhovo-Vasilyevka, Chasov Yar, Kurdyumovka, and Konstantinovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
The AFU losses were more than 700 Ukrainian troops, three motor vehicles, one U.S.-made M777 howitzer, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, two 152-mm D-20 howitzers, one 122-mm D-30 howitzer, two U.S.-made 105-mm M119 guns, one Croatian-made 122-mm RAK-SA-12 MLRS launcher, and two electronic warfare stations.
One ammunition depot has been destroyed.
As a result of active actions, the units of the Tsentr Group of Forces have liberated Zhelannoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
In addition, Russian troops have launched strikes on formations of 23rd, 53rd, and 151st mechanised brigades of the AFU, and the 15th Brigade of the National Guard close to Shcherbinovka, Tarasovka, Zhuravka, Kalinovo, Dzerzhinsk, and Grodovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Six counter-attacks by 47th and 150th mechanised brigades of the AFU, the 14th Brigade of the National Guard, and the Lyut Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian National Police have been repelled.
The enemy losses were more than 630 Ukrainian troops, 12 Kazak armoured fighting vehicles, U.S.-made 155-mm M777 and M198 howitzers, one 152-mm Giatsint-B gun, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, and four 122-mm D-30 howitzers.
The units of the Vostok Group of Forces have delivered strikes at manpower and hardware of the AFU 58th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 106th and 125th territorial defence brigades near Vodyanoye, Ugledar, Prechistovka, and Velikaya Novosyolka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Four counter-attacks of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade and the 125th Territorial Defence Brigade have been repelled.
The AFU losses were up to 130 Ukrainian troops, one infantry fighting vehicle, five motor vehicles, one 155-mm Braveheart self-propelled artillery system, and one UK-made 155-mm FH-70 howitzer as well as one 122-mm D-30 howitzer.
The units of the Dnepr Group of Forces have inflicted fire damage on the 65th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and the 39th Coastal Defence Brigades close to Malye Shcherbaki and Novodanilovka (Zaporozhye region).
The AFU losses were up to 30 Ukrainian troops, five motor vehicles, and two 152-mm D-20 howitzers.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have destroyed one POL depot as well as clusters of AFU manpower and hardware in 131 areas.
Air defence systems have shot down seven French-made Hammer guided aerial bombs, one Neptune-MD anti-ship missile, 15 U.S.-made HIMARS projectiles, and 63 unmanned aerial vehicles.
In total, 639 airplanes and 282 helicopters, 30,255 unmanned aerial vehicles, 575 air defence missile systems, 17,348 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,416 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 13,470 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 24,977 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 21 2024 11:58 utc | 411

Much cheaper and speed compatible than an f-16
And EW is not everything
It’s been a while that I remembered the spitfires tipping the wings of v1s.
Hope that for smaller ones they also add a trawling net
Of course it can only be used in the rear, beyond enemy AD
For bigger coverage and swarms I’m afraid the RF doesn’t have fixed wings gunships (and rotary have been downed by drones)
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240821/modernized-russian-yak-52-aircraft-to-be-upgraded-to-fight-drones-1119853566.html

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 12:08 utc | 412

KYIV, Aug 21 (Reuters) – Ukraine’s parliament voted on Wednesday to ratify the Rome Statute, officials said, allowing the country to join the International Criminal Court (ICC) in a step Ukrainian leaders have cast as central to Kyiv’s European aspirations.
Ukraine has recognised the ICC’s jurisdiction in the past, but full membership of the court is a key part of Ukraine’s quest to eventually join the European Union.
It would also allow authorities “to more effectively punish” suspected Russian war criminals amid Moscow’s war on Ukraine, according to lawmaker Oleksiy Honcharenko. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ratifies-rome-statute-paving-way-icc-membership-2024-08-21/

To say that the hypocrisy of the Empire of Lies has no limits would be a massive understatement.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 12:11 utc | 413

An article in today’s NY Times about the Kursk incursion that is almost balanced journalism:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/world/europe/russian-response-ukraine-incursion.html
I note it here because the tone of NYT coverage says more than the content, and the tone of this piece is that Russia will dominate a war of attrition with Ukraine. Not exactly news to anyone here, but to most NYT readers it is like getting a cold shower of political reality.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 21 2024 12:13 utc | 414

Another report from the front. B in a decisive trap baited all the trolls in with analysis of nonsense of a political reality TV show. Reports are that the trolls are drowning in their own BS and the Ukrainian threads have been liberated.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 21 2024 12:14 utc | 415

Justpassinby | Aug 21 2024 11:53 utc | 417
Yeah. It is sickening to watch this stuff. To these bastards, killing innocents is just another day at the office.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 12:16 utc | 416

Clever Dog | Aug 21 2024 12:13 utc | 422
There is still a core of fanatics there, but in general the US power structure have decided to dump the Ukraine project as they are not getting good enough returns on their investment.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 12:20 utc | 417

“Two countries far less industrialized than Ukraine, but constantly resupplied by the USSR and the PRC were able to battle a a half million invasion force into a stalemate.”
Posted by: Zargo | Aug 21 2024 11:55 utc | 418
Korea was a stalemate, still is; but Vietnam was a undeniable loss for US, not a stalemate.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 21 2024 12:23 utc | 418

21.08.2024 (14:30)
Russian Defence Ministry report on repelling an invasion attempt of the AFU on the territory of the Russian Federation (21 August 2024)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to repel the AFU attempt to invade the territory of the Russian Federation.
The units of the Sever Group of Forces supported by Army Aviation and artillery have thwarted attacks launched by enemy assault detachments in the direction of Komarovka, Korenevo, Malaya Loknya, and Russkaya Konopelka.
As a result, the Armed Forces of Ukraine losses were more than 45 Ukrainian troops killed and wounded, two of them captured, two tanks, one U.S.-made M113 armoured personnel carrier, and six armoured fighting vehicles.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue reconnaissance and search operations to locate and eliminated the enemy small sabotage and reconnaissance groups attempting to get to the depth of the Russian territory.
n addition, air strikes, artillery fire, and actions of the defending troops have engaged manpower and hardware of the AFU the 22nd Brigade, the 115th Mechanised Brigade, the 82nd Air Assault Brigade close to Apanasovka, Borki, Vishnyovka, Kositsa, Nizhniy Klin, Snagost, Sverdlikovo, and Kazachya Loknya.
Operational-Tactical Aviation have attacked the concentration areas of AFU reserves in Sumy region: 22nd and 41st mechanised brigades, the 82nd Air Assault Brigade, the 92nd Assault Brigade, 103rd, 106th, and 129th territorial defence brigades as well as the 69th Rifle Battalion in the areas of Belopolye, Boyaro-Lezhachi, Glukhov, Krasnopolye, Novye Virki, Pokrovka, Pisarevka, Mogritsa, and Yunakovka.
The AFU lost up to 300 Ukrainian troops and 26 armoured vehicles, including six tanks, three armoured personnel carriers, 17 armoured fighting vehicles as well as two motor vehicles, four artillery guns, and two MLRS launchers.
??Since the beginning of hostilities in Kursk region, the AFU losses amounted to up to 4,400 Ukrainian troops, 65 tanks, 27 infantry fighting vehicles, 27 infantry fighting vehicles, 53 armoured personnel carriers, 316 armoured fighting vehicles, 133 motor vehicles, 31 artillery guns, five SAM launchers, nine MLRS launchers, including three of HIMARS system and one MLRS system, six electronic warfare stations, as well as four units of engineering vehicles, including two counterobstacle vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearing vehicle.
The operation to neutralise the AFU units is in progress.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Aug 21 2024 12:33 utc | 419

Speaking of the Brits, is there any chance that they might wake up from their stupor?
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/25-of-Brits-Consider-Turning-Off-the-Heat-in-Winter.html
Or maybe they just go on, pontificating and pretending that they are a world power?

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 21 2024 12:35 utc | 420

@ Posted by: Zargo | Aug 21 2024 11:55 utc | 418
I think most visitors to MoA are well aware that the US is trying to wear down Russia. The US was hoping to drag Russia into a swamp like what the US experienced in Afghanistan: deadly, expensive, and ultimately a political liability at home. Russia, mocked as a ‘gas station with nukes’, was expected to fail both militarily and economically in short order. But the Russians saw what was coming back in 2014 and planned accordingly. While the US was so over-confident, it made no allowance for any different outcome. And it’s now the US that is mired.
This will not be a 10-year war, unless the US/UK/NATO gang decides to send a mass of troops into Ukraine. And because if they did, we’d be in WW3 on the following day.
I think it’s Zargo who is naïve.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 21 2024 12:37 utc | 421

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 21 2024 12:37 utc | 429

The US was hoping to drag Russia into a swamp like what the US experienced in Afghanistan: deadly, expensive, and ultimately a political liability at home.

I’m not so sure there was that much planning on the part of the USA.
The fact that when Russia invaded our Great Leaders seemed lost and didn’t know how to react, as demonstrated by the offer that the Jewish comedian set up a government in exile in London, makes me think that they expected to just absorve Ukraine in NATO and the EU and that Russia would have to accept that as fait accompli.
My guess is they expected that the threat of sanctions from hell, especially the much touted ‘nuclear option’ exclusion from SWIFT (lol!), would deter Putin from reacting in the manner that he did.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 21 2024 12:57 utc | 422

Posted by: rk | Aug 21 2024 10:45 utc | 415
The Ukrainians were unable to stick to their operational timetable from the very beginning, failing to take D and D+1 objectives in a week, this failure has to be accounted for. I also remember reading about DRG interdictions well before D+5, which might account for the highly accurate support fire being called down on the lead elements.
We have, I think, far too little information at the moment to do anything more than draw tentative conclusions; however, what we can do is focus on those elements that don’t seem to fit the narrative and generate a list of possible reasons for their misalignment.
Analysis of past events, to determine any ‘truth’, normally follows the detective’s principle of focusing on asking why, and that’s all we really can do, until somebody tells us the answers, and even then they are likely to only be partially true.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 12:58 utc | 423

Clever Dog | Aug 21 2024 12:37 utc | 429
I agree totally, the West has got high on it’s own supply, reality has hit and they are floundering.
For all of their bluster the West did nothing but the Russians looked at how the fine words did not lead to fine deeds and hedged their bets. As the Western words increasingly differed from Western deeds they made the appropriate assessments and continued to build up their armaments and here we are.
I agree that it won’t go on for years and that we are very close to a Ukrainian collapse, and a Western collapse for that matter.
The scales are starting to fall from the eyes of the citizens of the West and when they realise the total perfidy of their governments and their lack of care for them, it is going to get very ugly.

Posted by: ZimZum | Aug 21 2024 13:11 utc | 424

Zargo @418
The comparison fails. Viet Nam was a small country at the other end of the world. Korea bordered China at a time they were a military dwarf.
The Ukraine is literally the backyard of a military superpower.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 13:15 utc | 425

Milites | Aug 21 2024 12:58 utc | 431
It’s not that hard, they still think the Russians are weak and will run away. Total racist thinking. Anyone who has war-gamed Russians in any era would know that running away is the last thing that Russians do.
The whole Ukrainian fiasco has been built on racist tropes and wishful thinking.

Posted by: ZimZum | Aug 21 2024 13:21 utc | 426

Suresh@399…. I never wrote MOA is propaganda, it was open ended, one can read into it whatever one wants.
Can you prove what b posted was fake, every Russophile here rebuked it, without proof.
Do you follow the destruction of Russia’s sensitive sites currently being destroyed by Britkrainiana? Pin pricks, here to us, but so secretive Russians can’t talk about it.
Btw, Pepe is in Russia talking to Russians. That’s where his info, right or wrong, make your own judgement, comes from. You are not there, nor anyone here talking to Russians.
Cheers M
…..as for Pepe and his sources, far more credible than any of the hacks posting here…..people fear the truth, best to hide it…..scary stuff this talk of nuclear exchange…..
As a non Russia why? Because of the empathy and compassion I hold for all life. People are dying, fathers brothers mothers sisters children, all dying.
And the major force behind the SloSlog is good old Britkrainiana, which the Russians have no answer for except to kill more Ukrainians….you do hear the laughter in Whitehall?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2024 13:22 utc | 427

Watched the daily Willy and DPA video updates:
1. Neither seemed to cover every point of the DS update. (Just a little slack, I guess. I don’t see it as bias.) In particular, lacking discussion of the southern advance from the bloom in the Ptyche et al. direction. (Where I suspect DS is underestimating RFA advance, and most enthusiastic Russophile Twitters are overestimating it…but still better than DS shows.)
2. On the strange NY shape, Willy noted it, but didn’t scoff. Still maybe a little understatement, not sure. Not like he endorsed it either. But perhaps keeping open mind on it being contested. DPA thought it was a joke. And that DS is holding back. Thinks that both the strange donut inside NY as well as the huge gray zone salient to the east are copes. That DS is holding back for political reasons. Will acknowledge it on a good Kursk day or if geolocation forces it or in the fullness of time.
3. Kursk remains an area where the Ukrops have the initiative and are threatening taking a very large piece of land, 700 kmsq, by destroying bridges to an isolated sector. So far with success (on the bridges, at least).
4. Willy made the interesting point that even if the RFA keeps up the recent rate of advance, it still looks like six months to get to Pokrosk. Has taken them six months to get from Avdiivka to where they are now.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 21 2024 13:29 utc | 428

The Ukraine is literally the backyard of a military superpower.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 13:15 utc | 433

[emphasis added]
Don’t be a millennial. The term you want is “figuratively”.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 21 2024 13:33 utc | 429

Anonymous @437
The Swedish term is “bokstavligen” which translates to “literally”.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 13:42 utc | 430

1) USA’s regime (deep state, MIC, etc) have planned this proxy war since the 1990s. As Zbigniew Brezinsky stated, it’s about advancing to Russian borders and make a war with western money and weapons, but only eastern men/cannon fodder;
2) the successive enlargments of NATO all go in that direction. It’s not about the safety of a single European. Ir was only about threatening Russia and get ready for this proxy war;
3) the CIA coups (+USAid, NED, Fulbright, Adenauer, and all other NGO’s interference and corruption, and all western MSM lies and propaganda), aome soft (the “orange” coup in Kiev in 2004), some hard (the “maidan” coup with nazis in Kiev in 2014) are all part of this plan. The coups in Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, as well as the total corruption of politicians and military in Moldova, Finland, Estonia, etc;
4) The “Expanding Russia” report by RAND Corporation in 2019, explains all of this. USA’s genocidal imperialist is ready to destroy millions of lives and entire countris just for its advantage. This report explains the proxy war in Ukraine, the chaos in southern Caucasus, the coup attempt in Belarus, the cut of NordStream, the sanctions, everything is there. This Pentagon’s think tank is what decides the policies in the entire west. The elections are now a total farce;
5) we can see clearly how USA works in the support for the naZionist genocide in occupied Palestine. The diplomacy pretends to want peace, while the deepstate/pentagon/cia deliver more weapons and plan assassinations and terrorism. USA blocked all peace proposals in the UN-SC, and is now bonbarding Yemeni civilians and Iraqi resistance as we speak;
1+2+3+4+5=6) USA is still the same regime as it was when it completely destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq, Serbia and Libya, Syria and those 3 countries in southeast asia: Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
USA’s regime has solely evil intentions. As Nazi Germany, it even has “justifications” for genocide and nazi glorification. Since 1944 USA’s regime has assassinated more than 20 million humans and the number can go as high as 30 mullion, directly or indirectly.
USA did the NordStream terrorism and the “news” about Ukrainian saboteurs are just FakeNews to divert our attentions.
USA is the main guilty for genociee in Palestine and its “peace proposals” are just fake news to fool the naive people.
USA is the regime that planned, provoked, started, restarted, and now prolongs and excalates the wproxy war in Ukraine against Russia.
This is USA’s nature. USA’s regime, an authoritarian racist fascist colonial genocidal empire, is “the only indispensable nation on earth” in the words of that nazi called Obama. It doesn’t matter what puppet you chose in the elections, a white old conservative man, or a young black woke woman, the regime’s nature doesn’t change. It’s doesn’t matter what any of the western MSM press writes and says, it’s all fake news or manipulative propaganda and PsyOps.
Someone in the Pentagon and in the State Department, green lit the Kursk offensive, and is now already planning the next stage of escalation. And this will only stop in 3 ways:
1) Russia wins in a clear and indisputable way with the total defeat of the UkraiNazi dictatorship;
2) the propaganda against Russia loses its effectiveness and the MSM start creating consent for the next proxy war (vs Venezuela, vs Iran, vs China, etc) and that forces the USA’s deep state to do another “2021 exit from Afghanistan” in order to prepare its means for that next war;
3) USA’s evil genocidal empire escalates non stop until the nuclear weapons start flying and we all die in the name of USA’s ambition of being the only “indispensable” nation on earth that doesn’t accept anyone else to develop enough to even be a rival, be it economically, monetarily, or militarily.
This is the analysis you should have done, ‘b’, instead of wasting your time and ours reading any garbage that the Washington’s (and vassals’) press writes about any of this.
People in USA that still have any trace of decency and use their own brain, people like Aaron Bushnell, Edward Snowden, Julien Assange, the university students and teachers protesting against genocide and being arrested by USA political police, etc. Please get together and do something for mankind’s sake. No, it’s not about forming a 3rd steong party, because that would only matter is USA was a democracy. It’s about thinking very seriously and start planning a regime change that “burn” the current regime to the ground, that imprisons the current lunaric corrupt genocidal imperialist war criminals in a gulag for the rest of their lives. It’s about making USA decent again. In the name of the memory of JFKennedy and MLKing and FDRoosevelt.
USA is still the same rotten evil regime that classified Nelson Mandela as a “terrorist”, supported death squads all over the Americas, and dropped chemical weapons to assassinate Vietnamese children by disease and starvation. Worse, this time USA is on the side of Nazis, Al-Qaeda, and is accomplice in an ongoing live streamed genocide. This sh*t has to end!!!

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 21 2024 13:48 utc | 431

Do you follow the destruction of Russia’s sensitive sites currently being destroyed by Britkrainiana? Pin pricks, here to us, but so secretive Russians can’t talk about it.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2024 13:22 utc | 435
When in the history of warfare did a country at war ever publically and honestly divulge the effects of an attack by an enemy?
The way the information war game is played you always tell the world about the success of YOUR attacks and never tell the world about the success of the enemies attacks.
Ukraine and the USA are playing the same game. Ukraine claims to shoot down more missiles than Russia shoots at them while Russia claims are but one or two got through and all targets are destroyed. The US media posted a few accounts of “accidents” at their weapons factories if there’s a visible fire that the public can see but they never follow up with any kind of damage report … these incidents get memory holed.
We won’t know the true story of this war until all the people with reputations to uphold are dead and all the archives are opened in maybe 60 or 70 years. There are still state secrets about WW2 on both sides that haven’t been revealed.
The Russians … who not only have their own archives but all the diaries of the units they defeated on the eastern front as well as what they found in Berlin … partially allowed westerners to study their archives from the mid 1990’s until around 2000 when the got upset at the tagline in David M. Glanz’s book on the Mars Offensive “Zukov’s greatest defeat” … which they saw as sensationalist and a misrepresentation of the facts and shut the door on the west.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 21 2024 13:49 utc | 432

WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
@WarMonitor3
Belarus is drawing more and more troops, air defense forces and aircraft to the border with Ukraine

he amount of troops on Bellorussia’s Ukie border and what Lukashenko has been saying makes me wonder if Nato/the Brits are panning an attack there.
Russia also beefing up the defence in Belarus whith Iskanders tactical nukes ect – they must have some intel on intentions to have done that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 13:53 utc | 433

Messed up the blockquote again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 13:54 utc | 434

sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2024 13:22 utc | 435
I’m with you there. I can’t get my head around why 6 million Jews are more important than 27 million Russians. Many of the Jews were Russian as well.

Posted by: ZimZum | Aug 21 2024 14:03 utc | 435

Milites | Aug 21 2024 8:01 utc | 408

“Guess the Russians were just lucky they had so many units in the area that are ideal to deal with the initial stages of a mechanised blitz.

Is it luck? What about the fast response of the Russian Federation Armed Forces to the attempted colour revolution in Kazakhstan in December 2021? It looks to me like the outcome of Sergei Shoigu’s work in reforming the Russian Federation Armed Forces and creating an well-trained, well-equipped army which is held at constant readiness. He was moved to head the Ministry of Defence in 2012 after his work of turning the incompetent state emergency response agency into a model of efficiency and agility. His task was to effect the same transformation on the armed forces.

Posted by: cirsium | Aug 21 2024 14:20 utc | 436

What about the American JASSM missiles that I see discussed on Telegram as possibly the next present for Ukraine?

Posted by: Wim | Aug 21 2024 14:20 utc | 437

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/61258

Footage of a Ukrainian drone being destroyed by small arms fire.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 21 2024 14:38 utc | 438

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 21 2024 10:15 utc | 414
Apart from Germany and to some extent Russia, most countries have not afforded their tank commanders the title ace, for multiple kills. Partly because any kill is normally the function of the entire crew, rarely a sole effort, but also because most kills are the end process of a joint effort, often between different branches of service.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 14:44 utc | 439

We have, I think, far too little information at the moment to do anything more than draw tentative conclusions; however, what we can do is focus on those elements that don’t seem to fit the narrative and generate a list of possible reasons for their misalignment.
Analysis of past events, to determine any ‘truth’, normally follows the detective’s principle of focusing on asking why, and that’s all we really can do, until somebody tells us the answers, and even then they are likely to only be partially true.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 12:58 utc | 431
Yes, but the truth is that day D+15 there is still a yo-yo, by today’s AFU attacks we’re talking about taking or trying to take villages almost at a 30 km radius (that circle is strongly flattened, roughly by a third, in the R200 road axis where i assume most of the RF’s effort is being made)
We’re still talking of a stable 20k+ radius, 100km front, when “A total of more than 4,400 Ukrainian servicemen have been destroyed during the hostilities”… from out of 8.000?
Don’t “not destroyed” WIA usually outnumber 2 to 1 those that were destroyed? Aren’t some, maybe half, of those “not destroyed” liable for some weeks in hospital?
You’re the one with military knowledge, I just do the numbers and they don’t add up.
my 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 14:48 utc | 440

Wim | Aug 21 2024 14:20 utc | 445
JASSM.
Ah, yes. That’s what the Kursk op is lacking. A brand new shiny wunderwaffle.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 21 2024 14:53 utc | 441

Thanks B and best wishes for your further fast recovery!
“Rule Britannia” – For sure there are still some Brits who are longing for ruling the globe by all means even if it´s a glassed one.
Concerning the “frozen German help” for USkraine there are doubts about the real freezing. This one (in German) by Thomas Röper explains them:
https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/was-die-angebliche-senkung-der-deutschen-ukraine-hilfen-tatsaechlich-bedeutet/

Posted by: Blue Angel | Aug 21 2024 15:00 utc | 442

What about the American JASSM missiles that I see discussed on Telegram as possibly the next present for Ukraine?
Posted by: Wim | Aug 21 2024 14:20 utc | 445
The regular one I’d put almost at the same level of the unrestricted (non export) Scalp/StormShaadow , the difference being the much better fuse ( layer/void count similar to the Taurus) and better stealth.
The ER (extended range) could be more of a problem, 900+ Kms could be a pain…
But if anyone wants to correct me, feel free.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 15:03 utc | 443

ZH has a posting up with the title
Ukraine Sends One Of Largest Ever Drone Attacks On Russian Capital
the quotes

Russia on Wednesday says its anti-air defenses have successfully thwarted a major Ukrainian drone attack against the capital of Moscow, having shot down eleven inbound drones in total.
“The echeloned defense of Moscow against enemy UAVs made it possible to repel all attacks. This was one of the largest attempts to attack Moscow with the help of drones of all time,” Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said in a Telegram post early Wednesday morning.
Russia’s defense ministry said the effort to target the capital was part of a broader cross-border attack which included 45 drones total sent by Ukraine across different regions overnight, including:
11 shot down over the Moscow region
23 intercepted over the Bryansk region
6 over Belgorod,
3 over the Kaluga region
2 over Kursk
….
Meanwhile, former president Dmitry Medvedev, who serves as deputy head of Russia’s Security Council, has reiterated that the ongoing Kursk incursion means peace talks are impossible until Ukraine is completely defeated. “The empty chatter of intermediaries that no one had appointed about the wonderful peace is over. Everyone understands everything now, even though they do not say it out loud,” Medvedev wrote on Telegram.
He concluded his message in caps with: “There will be NO MORE NEGOTIATIONS UNTIL THE COMPLETE DEFEAT OF THE ENEMY!”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 21 2024 15:13 utc | 444

“sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2024 13:22 utc | 435
I’m with you there. I can’t get my head around why 6 million Jews are more important than 27 million Russians. Many of the Jews were Russian as well.”
Posted by: ZimZum | Aug 21 2024 14:03 utc | 443
Well to begin with six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis; Encylopedia Britannica did a census of all European ethnic populations in 1938 and again in 1948.
In 1938 there were 15.1 MM Jews in Europe; in 1948 there were 15.2 MM Jews in Europe.
There is no way one can jam 6 MM deaths in this equation-Jews lost maybe around 300K to 600k in the war-not gassed by Nazis mostly from overwork in the camps and malnutrition leading to disease and death.
Still abominable but about 10% of what is claimed.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 21 2024 15:15 utc | 445

Again, I will make the point I believe the Russians were aware of the Kursk plan and allowed it to happen, rightfully pouncing on the logistics lines once the expeditionary force was over the border. The Ukranazis are having a hell of a time reinforcing and resupplying now, the fact they don’t really have any plan following failure of their main objective is almost an afterthought as they are killed wholesale.
Call it myopic if you will, tell me Putin and Russia would never risk an invasion of mostly unoccupied lands to strike at the nazi flower of the Ukrainian army. I disagree. The signs of forewarning are there. As Milites said previously it’s conspicuous just how closely positioned the ideal units for repelling such a gambit are. Must be luck. Sun Tzu called it the ‘mandate of heaven’. Whatever ‘it’ is, it’s on the Russian side.
The fact is this incursion was blunted and is being beaten to shit leaving the rest of the front exposed. Take a bow NATO peacocks, you sure know how to make a bad situation infinitely worse. Maybe that was the goal, for who among us can understand your demented calculus?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 21 2024 15:17 utc | 446

Have yet to see but one calculation of a percentage of the Ukies conqwered land in Russia. He lllloved such calculations before, why not now?
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 21 2024 3:52 utc | 387
Land is only conquered once it’s fortified and held.
Covering a lot of territory in “small mobile units” is not conquering territory, it’s just a very violent field trip.
And it just sets the AFU up to be hunted down and disposed of because every one of those small mobile units is going to be outnumbered by the Rosgvardia units sent to go after them …
And of course, if the AFU did bring in enough troops to “hold” a fortification or city in Kursk they’re going to get a very quick visit from Mr. Iskander.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2024 15:18 utc | 447

1. The NATOKraine forces in Kursk are using small mobile unit tactics to penetrate quickly into Russian territory.
2. This give the appearance of controlling a large amount of territory very quickly.
3. However it is hollow: The units, due to size, are fast enough to move but not big enough to hold territory if opposed by a serious Russian force.
4. It is easy to cut these AFU units off from supply lines and reinforcements – because they’re small and they don’t consolidate territory as they go.
However:
5. Being small and mobile they can evade Russian forces in Kursk for a long time. It’s like a bear fighting off an ant attack.
7. Therefore the Russians can only used specialised forces for hunting these units (so called “counter terrorist” units) , or the specific military wing dedicated to this kind of work: The Rosgvardia. They cannot through large accumulations of forces against them even though the Russians have these forces.
Hence Putin’s visit to Chechnya to meet Ramzan Khadirov.
As prophecied by Sheikh Imran Hossein: Muslim forces will unite in war against the forces of the Anti-Christ. The prophecy unfolds before our very eyes …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 21 2024 15:30 utc | 448

Again, I will make the point I believe the Russians were aware of the Kursk plan and allowed it to happen, rightfully pouncing on the logistics lines once the expeditionary force was over the border. The Ukranazis are having a hell of a time reinforcing and resupplying now, the fact they don’t really have any plan following failure of their main objective is almost an afterthought as they are killed wholesale.
Call it myopic if you will, tell me Putin and Russia would never risk an invasion of mostly unoccupied lands to strike at the nazi flower of the Ukrainian army. I disagree. The signs of forewarning are there. As Milites said previously it’s conspicuous just how closely positioned the ideal units for repelling such a gambit are. Must be luck. Sun Tzu called it the ‘mandate of heaven’. Whatever ‘it’ is, it’s on the Russian side.
The fact is this incursion was blunted and is being beaten to shit leaving the rest of the front exposed. Take a bow NATO peacocks, you sure know how to make a bad situation infinitely worse. Maybe that was the goal, for who among us can understand your demented calculus?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 21 2024 15:17 utc | 454
I second your idea.
The Russian intelligence has too many assets not to have had an inkling that was developing. And what better way then let them overextend their supply line which has limited roads, a chance to ‘neutralize’ their best troops- and let them take more territory to suck more troops in-the same tactics the Golden Horde used on the Russians 800 years ago-Russians learned that lesson.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 21 2024 15:39 utc | 449

Doctor Eleven@454…..Doc, you make sound like you have first hand reports from the ground….twas but a Russian ruse. I’m sure the thousands of civilians that were formerly residents of Russia, who are now citizens of the Ukraine will fully understand.
Simple Martynov math. The amount of time required by Russia, last time took over one year, to reclaim ground they gave up, times the distance to the Polish border, I’m thinking ten maybe 11 years at that rate.
Meanwhile fake talks, nudge nudge, don’t take place all the while the bodies pile up. For God and Country.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2024 15:43 utc | 450

Well to begin with six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis; Encylopedia Britannica did a census of all European ethnic populations in 1938 and again in 1948.
Posted by: canuck | Aug 21 2024 15:15 utc | 453
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I can’t imagine the Encyclopaedia Britannica actually conducting a Europe-wide census, especially in the USSR or countries allied with it.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2024 16:21 utc | 451

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 14:48 utc | 448
Part answer to your question part targeted ramble, apologies for the length, hopefully it will help some posters with their self-assessment of the relative state of the two combatants across the front.
The factors needed to calculate the likelihood of an operational success or failure (advancing without achieving stated objectives is still a failure ) are quite straightforward. The tricky part is assessing the values of those factors, which can fluctuate sometimes on a daily basis. Open source analysis founders if it tries to over-extend past an assessment that includes which factors predominate and a general extrapolation of what is already known. In essence anyone using open sources (like myself) can approximate the known knowns and speculate on the known unknowns, military intelligence officers go up one level, approximating the known unknowns. Factors to consider
Logistics: determined by road net, (numerous factors type, construction, number etc) proficiency of staff involved, force multipliers (automated systems, level of mechanisation, computer assisted programmes etc). Level of effective interdiction.
Units involved: Linked to above, mechanised units consume far more than leg infantry and artillery consume not only a large weight of munitions, but they are bulky, ditto AD, ATGW’s. Then there’s POL (Petrol Oil Lubricants). Both categories are consumed at rates dependent on the intensity of any combat. Then everything else needed to supply men (think of what you’d need on an extended hiking trip in the wilderness) and don’t forget all the batteries! Mechanised units can live off their wagon for extended periods, or expend more in a normal supply cycle, but if they loose their transport they are relegated to inferior leg infantry (typically smaller squad size, living off their belt kits, or what they could grasp in the 2-3 seconds after emergency debussing). The list is literally endless, surface to say anything that shoots moves, communicates, operates, exists, needs regular supply.
Troop-capabilities both friendly & enemy
Time available
Terrain
Instead of listing all these factors readily available online (joys of the inter-webs the instant expertise function) you can look at a mechanised Marder company supporting 95th Air Assault in their attempt to slide along the front.
Have they trained or fought together in a combined arms team. If not they will be substantially less effective than a unit who does?
What is the overall unit combat proficiency, especially NCO’s
What is their current supply?
What is their replenishment rate?
What casualties have they suffered, what is their casualty evac like?
What is their replacement cycle for personnel and equipment?
Do they have advantages/deficiencies in combat capabilities v’s the opponents?
What fire support to they have?
What engineering capability?
What AD capability?
This is by no means an exhaustive list, and has to be applied to the ‘enemy’.
So, to finally answer your question obliquely, the current situation in Kursk is unsustainable for the Ukrainian forces, unless they make a major breakthrough, and even then that might compound their long term problems. Key factors, tenuous supply, effective interdiction, excessive casualty rate, burn-out of units from combat exhaustion low replacement rate,(men and machines) variable troop quality and morale, remote command, that’s just for starters.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 16:22 utc | 452

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 21 2024 12:57 utc | 430
I’m not so sure there was that much planning on the part of the USA.
The fact that when Russia invaded our Great Leaders seemed lost and didn’t know how to react,
That is my take on this as well. NATO and the west had been coming closer and closer to Russia for decades with no actual resistance. I think they operated on auto because they had been getting away with it for so long and they were also sure of their mightiness. Should anything actually pop up they would deal with it.

Posted by: arby | Aug 21 2024 16:33 utc | 453

In the past, doing what loudmouthed American do, they talked about coming offensives. As if everything is the spectacle of the build up for Iraq. This time, it seems the Americans were not told. The Brits know how to keep their traps hut on this sort of thing so I assume it was Just the Brits and a very small circle in Kiev that knew. Ensuring Russia had no HUMIT. SBU and MI6 no doubt trying to remove any Russian asset
A very small handfull of battlefield commanders knew only a few days before hand and no forces were concentrated. Kept very widely dispersed and only brought in via starlink after the attack had commenced with a very small force.
“Arestovich outlines Kiev’s master plan for the Kursk region”
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1825711108646133883
Video at the link.
With what Aresstovich says there – ingnore the crap about it only being Zelensky and Syrsky, but it was likely just them plus a very small circle and the Brits up until several days before hand and and even then, only a very small group of commanders up until only hours before the attack commenced.
The initial Rus MoD report was of a force of 300 that had been stopped. Similar size to the groups that had attacked into Belgorod some time ago.
By ensuring Russia received no information from human sources and by keeping forces well dispersed, I think it did catch Russia by surprise.
The Ukie tg channels, – Resident is apparently affiliated with Poroshenko, Legitimate likely the same. They did predict and offensive to the north, but to push Russia out of Kharkov rather than attack into Kursk. Red herring deliberatly put out?
Likely some complacency on the part of Rus MoD, but the Brits also managed to pull it off without giving any warning.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 16:46 utc | 454

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 21 2024 13:48 utc | 439
Carlos, you are a very wise man. Good to see you in the bar.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 21 2024 16:48 utc | 455

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 16:46 utc | 462
There’s always a downside though to any strategy, the downside was opsec might have been better, but the units never had time to train together or rehearse. Russian units are constantly saying Ukrainian units are advancing I column formation (easiest to maintain C&C) separately, as though trying to reach a set of coordinates, before digging in. This allows the Russian units, although technically outnumbered, to ambush these uncoordinated advances and destroy them in detail. Very similar to how the Panzerwaffe destroyed Russian armour, especially in meeting engagements or hasty attacks.
Also, the second phase, the supposed advance eastwards is not so much of a surprise, as the first phase took their operational timetable and pissed all over it. So now, ironically, they might be facing the same problem they had in ‘23 non-sequential offensives, with the second attempting to achieve what the first failed to do, get Kursk with bombardment range, forcing a Russian response. Lots of open ground to cover though, with very little night time AD capability, and Russian Attack helos with stand off AT ranges of 10+km.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 20:19 utc | 456

459 – Yes, no way they would be allowed behind the Iron Curtain in 1948, as the Cold War began to freeze up. And encyclopaedias do not do such things, anyway. A census is a fairly major governmental operation.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 21 2024 20:34 utc | 457

I’m sure the thousands of civilians that were formerly residents of Russia, who are now citizens of the Ukraine will fully understand.

First, the apparent dismissal of hostages being taken as ‘citizens’ considering videos I have seen..is sort of disgusting. I get you Brits love your terrorism, but fuck off. They’re Russian civilians who have been taken hostage. Let’s get that basic fact straight, right?
Why would it ever be admitted to? You assume the Russians are as pure as driven snow? It’s perhaps time to check your assumptions. I also never represented anything about having access to anything other than public domain information. That it allows me to draw conclusions like the Kursk incursion is a fucking fools errand that will do nothing good for Ukraine or that the offensive has been mauled and is now just more or less sitting there is honestly elementary analysis. I’ve noticed despite your supposed animus for Granbretan that you always throw shade on posts highlighting Russian capacities. I’m struggling to come up with any fucking scenario where this bullshit works out for the West and I simply cannot find it. I must be dumb.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 22 2024 12:37 utc | 458

Russia is looking more and more like an amateur at realpolitik.
They keep creating new red line each time their previous ones are trampled by Nato.
Some “rebels” find some hypers0nics lying around to sink a career or two. That’s the only kind of message Nato will understand. “Protests” at the UNSC will just get mocked and bigger provocations will follow.

Posted by: cafe_con_leche5 | Aug 22 2024 19:20 utc | 459