Britain Claims To Have Helped With The Ukrainian Invasion Of Russia
Yves Smith is discussing the Washington Post report on Russia-Ukraine negotiation to end the infrastructure attacks:
An Admission of Russian Long-Term Weakness or More Complex Calculation?
I had previously discussed the WaPo piece here.
Yves suggests that the negotiations, if they really have happened as described, were an Ukrainian ruse to distract Russia from the Ukrainian preparation of the Kursk oblast incursion. The talks were useless for Russia, she says. She doubts that Russia would favor to stop the attacks on the Ukrainian electricity generating and network capabilities. She suggests that the Ukrainian attacks on Russia create little damage. It disagree with that view.
The winter will already become very difficult for Ukrainian civilians. There is no need to increase the damage on Ukrainian infrastructure beyond the already achieved level.
The Ukrainian attacks have so far created repairable damage in Russia. But that may not be the case forever. One day one of such attacks could in fact create some real catastrophe. The attacks are also binding lots of Russian resources. One needs a huge number of soldiers and equipment to give at least some protection to the most exposed sites. The Russian economy is currently short on men. Not diverting some 100,000 men for local air defense purposes can make a difference.
I believe that Russia was genuinely interested in making such deal. But the Ukrainian attack on Kursk oblast blew it apart.
There are new suggestion on how the Ukrainian incursion into Russia was prepared for.
The Times in London claims that it largely followed a British plan (archived):
When footage of British Challenger 2 battle tanks being used by the Ukrainian army for its counterinvasion of Russia emerged on Tuesday, Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence were ready.For the previous 48 hours, officials and political aides working for Sir Keir Starmer and John Healey, the defence secretary, had been in talks about how far to go to confirm growing British involvement in the incursion towards Kursk.
The stakes were high. Unseen by the world, British equipment, including drones, have played a central role in Ukraine’s new offensive and British personnel have been closely advising the Ukrainian military for two years, on a scale matched by no other country.
The U.S., in contrast, has claimed not to have known about the Ukrainian plans and there purpose. This leads Kit Klarenberg to develop a theory:
Kit Klarenberg @KitKlarenberg - 15:02 UTC · Aug 18, 2024"🧵: I speculated earlier was probably Britain behind Kursk suicide op. Lo and behold, a Times article confirms this. More broadly, contents amply underline Kursk latest effort by London to keep the US in the proxy war - and it appears Washington has finally had enough of this.
Times reveals up top heavily promoted footage of British Challenger 2 tanks in Kursk was a conscious, deliberate decision made by new PM Keir Starmer and his defence secretary John Healey. British equipment is said to have "played a central role" in the "counterinvasion".
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Starmer and Healey reportedly made the decision to advertise London's involvement "to be more open about Britain’s role in a bid to persuade key allies to do more to help." In other words, to encourage/pressure the US et al to double down on this unwinnable, nightmare quagmire.
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However, US reportedly unhappy with Kursk incursion, because it scuppered peace talks. Kiev's purported culpability for Nord Stream bombing is, it seems, being used to justify ending German aid to Ukraine. And the US is blocking Kiev from firing British-made missiles at Russia.
Kit's theory is that the Washington Post story about the blown negotiations as well as the latest "Nord Stream done by Ukraine" rumor reporting by the WSJ are expressions of U.S. anger over the Ukrainian government and its Kursk invasion.
The Times also reports that Britain is pushing its allies to provide more weapons and to allow their use against targets deep inside of Russia:
In the coming weeks Healey will attend a new meeting of the Ukraine Defence Co-ordination Group, where Britain will press European allies to send more equipment and give Kyiv more leeway to use them in Russia. Healey spoke last week to Lloyd Austin, the US defence secretary, and has been wooing Boris Pistorius, his German opposite number.Germany, whose Taurus missiles have a similar 155-mile range to Storm Shadow but a more powerful warhead, has been the country under the most pressure to move. However, it was revealed yesterday that Germany has actually frozen military aid to Ukraine because of a domestic budgetary crisis. Pistorius had asked for £3.4 billion of additional supplies but that was rejected by the finance ministry.
A previous leak provided that the long range Taurus missiles are complicate and have to be programmed just-in-time by German officers. There is no support in Germany for allowing such a deep involvement in attacks on Russia.
To me it seems that Britain has promised to Ukraine that it would get its allies to agree to the usage of longer range weapons against Russia in exchange for Ukraine to launch the attack on Russia.
Only that can explain this Zelenski complain about Starmer:
The Ukrainian president complained that British aid to Kyiv had begun to wane as his forces continued their unprecedented incursion into Russian territory in the Kursk region.“Unfortunately, the situation has slowed down recently,” Mr Zelensky said, referring to UK military assistance.
Sir Keir has upheld a Conservative ban on using UK-made Storm Shadows to strike targets deep inside Russia, amid concerns it could lead to escalation with nuclear-armed Moscow.
“We will discuss how to fix this because long-range capabilities are vital for us. The whole world sees how effective Ukrainians are – how our entire nation defends its independence,” said Mr Zelensky.
It came as four former Conservative defence secretaries called on No 10 to do more to support Ukraine, with some demanding Kyiv be allowed to use Storm Shadows in the Russian offensive.
But it is not Starmer who is blocking the missiles, it is the U.S. of A. (archived):
Washington is in effect blocking Britain from allowing Kyiv to fire Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia, amid fears in the Biden administration of an escalation in the Ukraine war.
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It is understood that although the UK wants to give Ukraine the freedom to do what they want with the long-range weapon, it requires consensus from allies, including the US, France and a third undisclosed Nato country. A government source stressed that the UK was not blaming the US for any delay, adding that such policy changes took time.
Combining all the above one can (re-)construct this story.
Britain, in a bipartisan move, wants to prolong the war in Ukraine. It suggested to and helped Ukraine to invade Russia even as it knew that this would interrupt peace talks in Qatar. It also promised to press its allies for long range attack permission against Russia. But the U.S. and Germany are still blocking such attacks. Zelensky now complains that Britain failed to deliver on its promise.
The U.S., miffed about the British involvement in a likely useless Ukrainian attack on Russia, is leaking about the Ukrainian/Russian negotiations in Qatar.
The above is largely based on the U.S. claims that it was not really involved in the planing of the Kursk incursion.
There are of course good reason to doubt those claims:
As the Ukraine war enters its most perilous phase, with Kiev’s forces fighting inside Russia, the United States is operating a formal “sensitive activities” detachment that is active in providing direct military support to the beleaguered country. The detachment, never before disclosed, is run by U.S. special operations forces, and with its Ukrainian counterparts, provides on-the-battlefield support, including near-real time targeting intelligence, operators say.
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An operator formerly deployed to the Army’s 10th Special Forces Group assigned to a sensitive activities detachment told me their work included the creation of clandestine human networks for intelligence gathering, as well as identifying Russian military weaknesses for targeting.
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A second operator also described having been tasked with providing near up-to-the-minute intelligence support to Ukrainian forces.
Those U.S. operators in Ukraine certainly did not miss the preparations the Ukrainians were making for their attack.
P.S. Bonus from The Times piece:
“It’s not just about the military support, but it’s about the industrial, economic, and diplomatic support,” the defence source said. “If Putin succeeds in Ukraine he’s not going to stop there. But also the economic implications of that are massive, because we all saw how heavily Britain got hit when he first invaded.”
Yes, the sanctions, intended to hurt Russia, were quite damaging to those who issued them. Nice to see that finally acknowledged.
Posted by b on August 19, 2024 at 15:58 UTC | Permalink
next page »It’s no secret that NATO commands Kiev’s military. There are also tens of thousands of sheep dipped NATO military in-country plus tens of thousands of additional mercs
Posted by: Exile | Aug 19 2024 16:16 utc | 2
I hope that England is taken out. And perhaps the homosexual capital of the world: West Europe!
Posted by: Victor | Aug 19 2024 16:16 utc | 3
Trying to pull these threads together from news snippets is an interesting exercise. I would be cautious about assigning a motive or conscious plan to Washington as a singular entity because there are multiple power centers at play that are not working together in tandem. There is no longer any consensus about on how to approach Ukraine and Russia within the American policy apparatus.
Posted by: a stone | Aug 19 2024 16:17 utc | 4
Interesting. A split in the NATO fold would benefit Russia but I remain skeptical of the whole thing. Maria Z. denied the Qatar story and I’m inclined to trust her. As a mere observer I can say anything is possible.
The organ grinders behind Biden (he’s a zombie with no agency) do want to keep the escalation scenario on hold until after the election. At least conventional wisdom would agree..
Posted by: Ghost | Aug 19 2024 16:18 utc | 6
Salute friends. First, to the article. Yes, The U.K. was involved, along with the military and intelligence services of 43 nations, who are and will be involved every day. I wonder when the RF and their soon to be owners the PRC will figure out this simple fact. (Don't worry, the PRC is not long for this world. It has been a rough few years, but life will g on, at least for the living. So 19th century, don't you agree. In the age of quantum science and nanotech, a gas land grab. Ah, old folk. Anywho, Russia, cultural, great Russia, will be better off with modern educated leadership, and better off without all those subjected lands to the east and south. Just focus on the real core of Russian identity, the land of Dostoyevski and Gogol Bakunin and Tolstoy. Yes. Brighter days to come, just sweep out the trash for a fresh start and the warm embrace of the world. Now, from my perch in the five sided building in beautiful Virginia, I know something frightful that has happened. Israel got the impression that RF and PRC are planning to set off a radiologic device in Tel Aviv. It is intended to be unattributable, like the old plan for the UN headquarters, but too late for all that. The frightful element is that over the last six weeks Israel has moved in big pigs six devices to RF and PRC each, to be lit in case of any unpleasantness. I am not for this. Of course, I am not for any of this primitive bloody mess! We are in the space age, for God's sake. Let's all live in the glory of our collective achievement, and put away this silly old thinking and horror. Good luck to us all!
Posted by: Ayholioho | Aug 19 2024 16:21 utc | 7
The British media seems far more rabid than the American press in reporting minor Ukronazi ‘wins’ so I assume they are cheerleading for their own masters - the likely organisers and motivators of these provocations - the UK deep state.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2024 16:30 utc | 8
So ? What would Vladimir Putin do ? Even if Royal Navy seized Russian tankers, he wouldn't do anything about this.
Posted by: Pâte | Aug 19 2024 16:32 utc | 9
There’s a new troll in town
Everybody’s talkin bout the new troll in town
Pay no mind, just keep walkin’
Past the new troll in town!
🎶
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 19 2024 16:39 utc | 10
Britain [...] suggested to and helped Ukraine to invade Russia even as it knew that this would interrupt peace talks in Qatar. It also promised to press its allies for long range attack permission against Russia.
For once I will disagree with B.
The only source for the "Qatar talks" which were not "peace talks" (but about energy targets) is one western merdia, while Zakharova denied such talks.
By the way about the stupidity of those supposed talks is the fact that the ZNPP was targeted. Qatar I after Minsk I and II and Istanbul I... Who could believe?
The CIA and the MI6 are on it since 2014 and even earlier: suggesting and helping the ukronazis. They will not stop as long as there are Ukrainians to sacrifice.
The Kursk incursion is a diversion. There is no bunker. They are in the open. They will be eliminated sooner or later.
Meanwhile in Donbass...
Once Krasnoarmeisk (red army) will fall, it is flat country until Dniepropetrovsk.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2024 16:43 utc | 11
Referring me as troll isn't an answer. Y'all knew Russia couldn't do anything.
Posted by: Pâte | Aug 19 2024 16:45 utc | 12
Talking about trolling: do you think Kadyrov was trolling Musk regarding the Cybertruck. Sorry I don't have a link.
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 19 2024 16:48 utc | 13
From the report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation dated 19.08.2024.
The enemy's losses for yesterday were:
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⏺ 2265 military personnel
⏺ 47 units of armored vehicles, including 9 tanks
⏺ 25 artillery systems, including 6 self-propelled guns
⏺ Grad multiple launch rocket system
⏺ 33 units of special vehicles
⏺ 49 UAVs
⏺ three electronic warfare stations "Bukovel-AD"
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❗️ Units of the "Southern" group liberated the Vyemka railway station of the Donetsk People's Republic .
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❗️ The units of the "Center" group of forces liberated the village of Artemovo in the Donetsk People's Republic .
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In the Kupyansk, South Donetsk and Kherson directions , 11 field ammunition depots were destroyed. In the Kharkov direction , a depot of unmanned aerial vehicles was destroyed.
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Air defense systems shot down 26 HIMARS rockets and a Hammer guided bomb .
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 16:53 utc | 14
I would suggest the pantomime regarding western support to Ukraine, especially over being in or out of the loop on certain operations, is literally a pantomime (“a ridiculous or confused situation or event”). Regardless of limited diversions, Russian momentum in the field is the real story and if it can’t be covered up ion Donetsk then it will be covered up (for western publics) in the headlines.
Posted by: jayc | Aug 19 2024 16:53 utc | 15
'Starmer and Healey reportedly made the decision to advertise London's involvement "to be more open about Britain’s role in a bid to persuade key allies to do more to help."'
One recalls Boris Johnson's notorious visit to Kiev in April 2022 to scupper peace talks and egg on the Ukies to fight.
Perfidious Albion is playing a truly noxious role in Ukraine. After the West howled for 2-1/2 years about Putin 'not respecting sovereign borders,' Ukraine just scored a massive own goal with its Kursk invasion, which puts paid to the 'sovereign borders' plaint.
Perhaps our Russian comrades have taken note of Britain's insidious meddling. Should the Russians regrettably be forced to resort to tactical nukes, one hopes they will pre-emptively vaporize London before turning their missiles on neocon America -- not that they owe us anything!
Posted by: Jim H | Aug 19 2024 16:54 utc | 16
@Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 19 2024 16:48 utc | 13
Yes
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2024 16:55 utc | 17
Not sure what the “news” is. From 2014 on, UK has been arm-in-arm with planning, and executing every “Ukrainian” exploit.
The “Qatar” garbage us just that… trash talk, US never, and still doesn’t want “Peace”… weapons & money talk louder than these “reports”, same as Gaza.
The West wants what it always wants everywhere, death, destruction, destabilization, regime change… and not to have a single hair on their own head singed.
If anyone here believes for a second the West cares about “their global image” or “soft power” or other “sentiments” that are human in nature, forget about it. These mass murderers don’t have a human aspect left of their character. They’re above all that. They are 21st Gods… beyond the reach of harm.
So far, so good. Winning….
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2024 16:57 utc | 18
I will offer "good cop-bad cop" because of the US elections.
Posted by: juliania | Aug 19 2024 16:57 utc | 19
Not surprising.
The five eyes are all on it too no doubt including Canada.
All five eyes countries have been folded into the rise of the rules based order.
It became evident in 2020 that none of them have sovereignty. They are all 'occupied' and all decisions are ideologically based.
The rise of the rules based order is the enemy of humanity
Posted by: simon crow | Aug 19 2024 16:59 utc | 20
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 16:53 utc | 14
Excellent!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2024 17:08 utc | 21
@b
Disagree mightily on your premise that Ukraine would be able to inflict serious grid damage to Russia.
Among the many reasons why this belief is false:
1) Russia's grid is far larger than Ukraine's, and it is spread out over a far, far larger area. Yes, any one spot would be "easier" to attack, but the effect of this attack would be little different than a squirrel attack.
2) Russia actually makes its own electrical grid machinery, unlike Ukraine.
3) The area of Russia that is easily attackable from Ukraine is very low population.
4) Russia does not have the corruption, incompetence and lack of resources that Ukraine has.
Yes, Ukraine can do damage.
No, this damage would not be strategic - it is not even likely to be tactical above normal maintenance/wear and tear damage.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 19 2024 17:12 utc | 22
This article underlines another failure of Putin’s SMO. One of the goals of the SMO was to keep Ukraine out of NATO. Yet now Ukraine is effectively a NATO super-state, integrated with NATO command and control, and receiving more weapons and cash than any regular member of NATO could dream of.
Ukraine is more than a member of NATO, they have become its purpose. Sweet lemons aside, Russia has been invaded, the Crimea fleet was attacked again this week and drone / missile strikes within Russia are now commonplace. An oil depot was hit in the Rostov Oblast a few days ago. Attrition goes both ways:
“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
Mike Tyson
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 19 2024 17:20 utc | 23
Posted by: Ayholioho | Aug 19 2024 16:21 utc | 7
You have obviously stopped taking your medication. Better start back on it right away, before you become attracted to jumping of a bridge. (The Crimean one will probably be high enough, if you really want to do it).
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 17:20 utc | 24
The english's lesson today is : charge of a light brigade. It didn't changed since Balaclava : "C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre: c'est de la folie."
I was listening to Alaoudilov the other day, and he qualified his mission as "a safari". Exactly like hunting wild beasts in the bush.
So, I'm not surprise by Kamerton & Akhmat involvement. Some ex-Wagner members some with African experience paired with some Chechen mountain hunters, specialist in mop-up operation and rear-guard cleansing : seems like the most appropriate team for the job.
"In the forest, the Russian forest , the Jackals will die FABed tonight".
Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 19 2024 17:25 utc | 25
Footage Shows British Challenger 2 Tank’s Destruction By Russian Ka-52 Helicopter in Kursk
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/challenger2-destruction-ka52-kursk
British weapons tried again! - Fail!
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 17:27 utc | 26
As for US weapons:
Footage Shows Ukraine’s Patriot Air Defence Batteries Destroyed By Iskander Missile’s Cluster Warheads
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/patriot-ukraine-iskander-cluster-warhead
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 17:29 utc | 27
Imperial strategists know that Russia might be getting close to releasing the atomic Kraken, so they want to pretend America isn’t involved so only Germany and Britain get glassed. Uncle Scam can whistle and feign ignorance while those two get erased from existence.
That would be good for the American economy, so it is plausible. I would just wonder if the Russians would be fooled.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2024 17:31 utc | 28
@Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 19 2024 16:48 utc | 13
😁🇷🇺👉🇺🇸 Kadyrov commented on Musk's post refuting the information about the Cybertruck electric pickup truck he had given him.https://t.me/ZandVchannel/124611
This time, the head of Chechnya thanked him for Starlink."Special thanks for Starlink. The connection speed in the SMO zone is absolutely fantastic. Special respect from the fighters," he wrote on the Telegram channel.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2024 17:36 utc | 29
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2024 17:31 utc | 28
The Russian government have become 'Who' fans. They are all singing "Won't Get Fooled Again".
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 17:39 utc | 30
In any case, the Kursk intrusion will have devastating, if not annihilating, consequences for Ukraine. Of course, it is also suffering from a shortage of soldiers on the Kursk front, which is getting worse every day. However, should it nevertheless achieve “successes” in the short term, which Russia perceives as a threat, the war could reach an unprecedented escalation. The pressure on Putin to use nuclear weapons is already increasing, as this open letter from a physics professor suggests. Interestingly, it is about destroying the tunnel connections in western Ukraine - something that I have always considered to be the most realistic.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-nuclear-weapons-ukraine-nato-aid-kursk-1939594
This may even be the USA's intention, because if nuclear bombs become socially acceptable, it will suddenly have a much better hand against the relative nuclear dwarf China - perhaps that is why Russia is hesitating. Another point could be that they don't want to give Kamala an advantage in the election.
However - if Kamala looks likely to win anyway - the latter argument falls flat. And the former could also be settled with a Russian-Chinese nuclear umbrella - China would probably even approach Russia proactively here.
All in all, the world has never been closer to nuclear war and the next few weeks will reveal a lot more.
Posted by: xblob | Aug 19 2024 17:40 utc | 31
Everyone in the world with a grain of salt know that US is behind every conflict in the world after WWII.
Think about it, cut the money and the weapons from US and Ukraine will be gone in days (also Israel, by the way).
Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2024 17:41 utc | 32
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 19 2024 17:20 utc | 23
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Still no sign of the F-16s?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 17:42 utc | 33
Potential Russian targets during a war escalation:
1. Take out undersea internet cables, cutting 90% of internet traffic to/from the UK, and US to Europe.
2. Sabotage UK's large offshore wind turbines, taking them out 1 at a time until the UK cries UNCLE.
3. Attack Diego Garcia, a rock in the Indian Ocean that the UK and US use as Navy refueling station.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Aug 19 2024 17:46 utc | 34
Am I the only one looking ahead to the war with Finland? The Arctic is an area the Americans want to contest, and the Russians have passed domestic laws limiting passage for ANYONE through waters they claim, including submersibles.
This Ukraine stuff is only the appetizer. Russia will be in a kinetic war with the West for a long time yet to come, IMO.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 17:47 utc | 35
Scotland, Ireland and Wales have have no beef with Russia. Britain's obsession with Russia is an English obsession. Donetz was founded by a Welshman and Sevastopol by a Scotsman. Scots gravitated to Russia in droves. Many of the Jacobites and anti Unionists left Scotland in the 18th Century to forge a new like in Russia. The British army has a brigade and hasn't exactly fought convincingly in about two centuries so im struggling to see how Britain could plan a successful military operation?
Posted by: C Avery | Aug 19 2024 17:48 utc | 36
Do you have radiation cleansing iodine pills?
Posted by: librul | Aug 19 2024 16:18 utc | 5
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Yes.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 19 2024 17:57 utc | 37
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 17:47 utc | 35
Just to elucidate:
"On 1 December 2022, the President of Russian Federation Vladimir Putin signed the new law pertinent to the internal seas of the Russian Federation, which in practice limits the freedom of navigation and even forbids foreign military and civil ships from entering and seafaring in the Northern Sea route."
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 17:58 utc | 38
[email protected] mention grids, as in electric? We are not talking grids, most of Russia's oil and gas processing facilities are in the west not the depopulated, out in the middle of nowhere east of the country. Gas and oil being Russia's main exports surely you can see as the SloMo slogs along more and more of Russia's processing capacity will be reduced, might take a few years NATO has the time it's not like they are being bombed by Russia.
Cheers M
....wait till NATO and US sign off on the long range 900k type weapons, more Russian processing facilities will go poof .....and it still won't hurt USNatoUK except for side splitting pain from laughter.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2024 17:59 utc | 39
Victor@1616
Your ongoing homophobic remarks indicates some loose screws.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 18:00 utc | 40
hat would be good for the American economy, so it is plausible. I would just wonder if the Russians would be fooled.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2024 17:31 utc | 28
Interesting thought. I have noticed that the Russians tend to attack European nations (verbally) more than they attack the US, which seems odd.
Don't they know that it is the US, the Empire of Chaos, which is behind most of the coups and wars on this planet? Are they really going to pretend otherwise and only nuke Europe?
I think that the US was definitely involved in the planning and the carrying out of the Kursk invasion, and I hope that this time Putin doesn't quietly return US soldiers involved, like he did in 2014-15, when they participated in the invasion and occupation of the Donbass. Or as it is rumored in Mariupol.
I also believe Maria more than any US propaganda rag. If she says the story is bullocks, I believe her.
And what about the logistics? Qatar was holding talks between Russia and the Ukraine at the same time it was holding talks between Hamas and Israel?
Same building, different rooms? Cocktail parties for all after the day's work?
Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 19 2024 18:01 utc | 41
Posted by: C Avery | Aug 19 2024 17:48 utc | 36
Well, of course, you are right - the 'British' (English) couldn't plan a successful military operation, and they have just proved that.
As for the rest of us who are not English, we will have to keep working for de-Imperialisation.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 18:02 utc | 42
hey b - thanks....
i tend to agree with @ Naive | Aug 19 2024 16:43 utc | 11
fact is @ simon crow | Aug 19 2024 16:59 utc | 20 is onto it too...
the usa-uk have been into this thick and heavy since the get go... the idea of usa getting cold feet for the election - nah... these warmongers won't be held back..
@ William Gruff | Aug 19 2024 17:31 utc | 28
i hope you are wrong about that, but i can't rule it out.. the level of insanity and stupidity is off the charts here.. i think it was pepe escobar that said in a video juliania shared in the past week - russia will have to give some decisive message to stop this madness.. it might be coming sooner then we realize..
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2024 18:03 utc | 43
[email protected] will let us all know when it escalates, yes, please and thanks.....
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2024 18:05 utc | 44
"Special thanks for Starlink. The connection speed in the SMO zone is absolutely fantastic. Special respect from the fighters," he wrote on the Telegram channel.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/124611
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2024 17:36 utc | 29
Yes - that's what made me think he was trolling. Doubtless more information will come through in due course - or maybe it will be forgotten.
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 19 2024 18:08 utc | 45
naive@1643
Yes, the liberation of the mostly hilly and partially forested coal-mining towns in the Donbas has reached its latter stages of their end-point. Once those geographic and urbanized barriers are pierced there is little but undependable steppe country clear to the Dnieper. Perhaps Russian armored units, closely given massive air-support in the field and on Ukie supply routes well behind the front; will actually begin with a heavy thrust through the first "opening". More likely the strategy will hinge on no fewer than two "aperturas"; enabling both a series of pincer movements and a draw back of some units to attack the remaining "Schwerpunkts" from the flanks and behind.
Massive surrenders of entire units may well come into play. After all, who wants to die for a lost cause.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 18:11 utc | 46
Zelensky would not have dared to attack the Kursk region if the U.S. had not ordered him to.Claims that Kiev disobeyed someone and launched an attack on the Kursk region are childish babble.
Sergei Lavrov
Why the serial repeating distractions of Nord Stream culpability. USA is the orchestrator of the Nord Stream attack, end of line. And Germany like a pliant vassal stays quiet.
Posted by: xor | Aug 19 2024 18:11 utc | 47
If NATO attacks do seriously threaten Russia, I hope they just take out DC
Posted by: Sentient | Aug 19 2024 16:08 utc | 1
They should probably take out Wall Street and the City first
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Aug 19 2024 18:14 utc | 48
And as Putin and Gerasimov fail to protect their borders and infrastructure 41 Firemen in Rostov were injured, 18 critically following a second and third drone strike on the oil storage facility.
If Putin does not get a grip of this soon Russia will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by allowing NATO to tear it apart one cut and one strike and one escalation at a time.
If Putin and Gerasimov cannot declare War and end this soon then Russia really will end up being strategicly defeated
Not NFO, just the truth
Posted by: Truthfully told | Aug 19 2024 18:17 utc | 49
Billygoat Gruff@1731
Why the obsession with nukes? Russian spokesmen are generally men of their words...women as well as in Zakharova. They have iterated and reiterated that they will not exercise the nuclear option UNTIL and unless they are so assaulted FIRST. Should that scenario come to pass you can kiss your ass goodbye.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 18:19 utc | 50
Posted by: Truthfully told | Aug 19 2024 18:17 utc | 49
What are you on? Magic Mushrooms?
It is very clear that Russia has already won this war. What we are seeing now is the start of the mopping up operation. Of course there may be the odd step back, but that will be the exception. To paraphrase Lenin "Fiftyfive steps forward, one step back"
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 18:25 utc | 51
Mario@1741
Please try to get it outta your head that the puppet regime in the Di$trict of Corruption has ANY agency. Have you yet to absorb the total Clown Show when the alien Genocider in Chief received over 50 cheers for his rants and lies by a totally corrupted Congre$$, bowing down to the rep of their AIPAC owners? Even Nuts n' Yahoos does not possess actual AGENCY. He gets his orders from the same bank in City of London as does AIPAC.
Take a look at the ass-end of the $1 Fed-note. Check out the symbology of the Great Pyramid Scheme. Rule in this passing phase of Kali Yuga ALWAYS comes from the top down.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 18:26 utc | 52
Kadyrov *has* to be trolling about actually getting & using Musk's Cybertrucks as technicals. Almost assuredly they call home with their GPS coordinates constantly, as do most high end GM or Ford products. They these were actually used as technicals, they wouldn't last the time it takes a fast crow to fly directly to their coordinates...
Posted by: Simpleton | Aug 19 2024 18:26 utc | 53
BroncoBilly@1746.
Congrats: You do think strategically.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 18:27 utc | 54
the idea of usa getting cold feet for the election - nah... these warmongers won't be held back..
@ William Gruff | Aug 19 2024 17:31 utc | 28
this is actually the worst of both worlds, as I see it. The typical US president is more dangerous in his last term. Not just in short term measures, but in order to set up/influence situations for the next administration to face/address.
We are accustomed to this, even if we dont acknowledge it.
Assuming any sort of free and fair election considerations apply after just the last few months is far past ludicrous.
Britain has never been alone in this, and we have never held the reins loosely.
only jokers would suggest otherwise.
Nobody is really that stupid, and if they were, what they think or say is hardly weighty.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 19 2024 18:29 utc | 55
Posted by: xor | Aug 19 2024 18:11 utc | 47
Lavrov also disputed the notion that energy-security negotiations were occurring in Qatar (not quite the same as the question of whether Russia would be hypothetically interested in such).
Posted by: Call it what u will | Aug 19 2024 18:34 utc | 56
"Special thanks for Starlink. The connection speed in the SMO zone is absolutely fantastic.
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 19 2024 18:08 utc | 45
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Starlink is shit. Warlink delivers the goods. ™®©
Posted by: too scents | Aug 19 2024 18:41 utc | 57
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 19 2024 18:26 utc | 52
You can call or believe anything but all is orchestrated from within the US.
I don't give shit if behind the puppets there is the devil itself.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2024 18:47 utc | 58
Could I plaintively request folks to remember that it’s the English elites doing this, and not us plebs in tents under the motorway flyovers. Still, the traffic noise is strangely soothing, helps with sleep...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:48 utc | 59
so much fog of war! the following is my take. ... pre-Kursk Putin was looking forwards to meetings with heads of state, first Niger, Burkina Faso, Mali; then traveling to Azerbaijan. A lot is at stake: BRICS, the multi-polar world. when was that, 10 days ago? Since, these meetings have taken place. but there was an interruption in the planning.
Putin gathered the operational heads of the various ministries & regions and with gritted teeth told them to organize and cooperate with each other regarding Kursk. Gerasimov was there of course - my guess is everyone in the room knows his limitations.
a month ago news came, Russia was forming what the military call an 'army'. around ~100,000 new soldiers. they have had a lot of new recruits. They are naming it '51st army' - a symbolic name. Supposedly the 51st was to be assigned to the Kharkov direction.
over the same period, supposedly, the Russian MOD has been undergoing another reorganization, a shuffling of brigades. These two extensive logistics tasks were possibly what Gerasimov had been working on.
post-Kursk 2, new commands have been assigned. For the new front that is the Sumy direction, and for the command of 51st.
I am not sure it matters how good Gerasimov is at operations. because he won't be the one 'moving the pins on the maps' in those places. And the other areas of the front are doing fine for Russia.
Some of the dramatic stuff talked about here, like nukes, I do not think will come into play in the next few months. Not counting the Middle East, the dramatic thing that might matter is if Kursk is fully retaken right before American election, with video of the border that CNN has been preening in front of. The math kind of works out that way. if one counts the Ukrainian casualties/week and multiply by #weeks and subtract from #forces they allegedly have nearby in Sumy It comes to mid-October. Maybe
Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Aug 19 2024 18:49 utc | 60
it’s the English elites doing this
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:48 utc | 59
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the English speaking elites
Posted by: too scents | Aug 19 2024 18:51 utc | 61
Scotland, Ireland and Wales have have no beef with Russia. Britain's obsession with Russia is an English obsession.
Posted by: C Avery | Aug 19 2024 17:48 utc | 36
We could probably define it further as an English Esthabliment obsession.
I dont see any street level support for Ukraine. The pro-Palestine movement continues to grow (and is ignored by the MSM) but no-one is marching in support of Ukraine, and never have.
Starmer's support was underlined by a recent vote on removing the two child cap (without going into details, a Tory austerity move which, unsuprisingly pushed many more families into the poverty zone).
Starmer's big majority in parliament ensured that it was not removed because of the cost.
Estimated cost of removing cap = £3.4bn per year. Unafordable.
Starmer's promise of funding to Ukraine = £3bn per year. Affordable, even desireable.
Scrap the funding to Ukraine, scrap the funding to Israel, and you've more than enough to lift many Brits out of poverty.
Starmer and the rest of the Esthablishment are far more focused on continuing other peoples wars than internal improvements.
Posted by: Red Star | Aug 19 2024 18:52 utc | 62
And actually the Scots don’t get off ‘scot-free’ so to speak. Who the heck kept voting for Nicola Sturgeon?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:53 utc | 63
The detachment, never before disclosed, is run by U.S. special operations forces, and with its Ukrainian counterparts, provides on-the-battlefield support, including near-real time targeting intelligence, operators say.
If this is true, it is an admission that the US is effectively at war with Russia. Especially if such “real-time” operations, codeword for direct involvement, were for the Kursk raid on pre-SMO Russian territory.
Difficult to prove of course so it will probably not elicit any diplomatic movement but nevertheless. It is the closest that we have been to actual war between Russia and the US in history.
As I mentioned in another thread, the Kursk raid was indeed to derail talks. And it seems again that the British are involved, just like the first time.
Difficult times for Russia as after the collapse of the previous talks they had a series of military setbacks due to the doubling down of NATO involvement. Now they will double down again with missile strikes on pre-SMO Russian territory. Just as last time, Russia will need to increase its own forces but that will take time, 6 months or so I think. Many many losses will happen in between unfortunately. Difficult times, I wish them strength, they are fighting for all of us.
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 19 2024 18:59 utc | 64
Russia won so much to the point of its internationally recognized territories are getting invaded.
By the way, crimes peaked.
Posted by: Mysha | Aug 19 2024 19:03 utc | 65
Kursk incursion is type of attack with limited support which got British Eight army in North Africa and the U.S. Army at Kasserine Pass smacked around in 1942 and 1943.
Montgomery and Ike figured out you had to control flanks……
The Ukraine nub is in a kessel, the execution of which, fast or slow is entirely up to how much priority Russia puts on eliminating the formation.
As to Russian manpower, North Korean forces could certainly use some live fire training, as well as exercise their mobile AMD on Russian territory. Or Iranians or Syrians.
Posted by: paddy | Aug 19 2024 19:07 utc | 66
It is interessssting to see the Nato fraction infigthing. You have the Askenazi Americans against the Sefardic Hanseateic Briton, Scandinavia, French, Holland, Belgium, Luxemburg- with mix heritage Poland/Germany to execute the debacle.
Cameron will secure the russian assets, Macron will send soldiers, the German political elite (controlled by the USA) will not send rockets- the German military wants to send Taurus (siding with England)
What we are seeing is probably a figth between the two leading bankiers about how to secure/ divide their part of the loot.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 19 2024 19:22 utc | 68
Judge Napolitano / Judging freedom can be found at judgenap.com.
I had to use Yandex search engine to find him, google clones have disappeared everything in the last 4 years.
He may be back on u tube , (probably briefly) from Wednesday.
I used a vpn to access his site which has current interviews with his customary sources, do not know if access without a vpn is possible.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Aug 19 2024 19:24 utc | 69
I wonder why Russia would deny that such negotiations were under way?
Would that really be politically sensitive for Russia?
Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2024 19:25 utc | 70
Posted by: too scents | Aug 19 2024 18:51 utc | 61
Yes, thanks for the correction.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 19:27 utc | 71
LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2024 16:53 utc | 14
With the Kursk front, total Ukie/Nato casualties per day look to be sitting around the 2200/2300 mark. Less casualties on the other fronts but very high casualties in the Kursk sector.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 19 2024 19:31 utc | 72
England is the inveterate gambler: off at the racetrack blowing what remains of its wealth on ridiculous long shots while its family starve and wither on the vine. Talk about strange priorities. You'd think the domestic situation in Britain would be enough to occupy them without madcap adventurism and Crimean War 2.0.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 19 2024 19:43 utc | 73
So the Brits want to use Storm Shadow's in UAF hands to attack targets deep inside the Russian Federation?
Has Kier gone stark raving mad?
Any such attack would lead to immediate and devastating RF retaliation on UK targets and bases including bases in the Orkney's, Gibraltar, Bermuda and Cyprus......and more than likely a huge cyber attack on the UK power grid.
Are the Brits prepared to go full on with the RF in order to protect a neo Nazi corrupt regime in Kieve led by a pornagraphic comedian?
Is the British public Ok with a direct war with RF?
No doubt the message will be delivered clearly to 10 Downing Street by the Russian Ambassador to London....you are juggling hand grenades here and pins are out....your choice Keir!!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 19 2024 19:54 utc | 74
CitizenSmith @ 69
Nap's Rumble channel. He needs to get to Russia before they take his passport like Ritter. In 5 years they'll all be in the Santiago Stadium Giant Stadium awaiting "trial".
https://rumble.com/c/JudgingFreedom/livestreams
Rumble's just a fake democracy face saver, corral troublemakers with high viewership to an intentionally limited and poor functioning platform (it never gets any better) to isolate and marginalize and take away revenue. Unless they keep it as a honey trap my guess at some point Theil just declares it a money loser and shuts it down and poof, all the dissents gone in one shot.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2024 19:57 utc | 75
Tobias Cole @ 74
Are the Brits prepared to go full on with the RF in order to protect a neo Nazi corrupt regime in Kieve led by a pornagraphic comedian?
Are the Brits prepared to go full on with the RF in order to protect a Nazi corrupt regime in London led by a centuries old pornographic aristocracy?
There, fixed it for you, now the question answers itself.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2024 20:03 utc | 76
check the tab podcast on his own (new) website
judgenap.com
Posted by: Tom | Aug 19 2024 20:03 utc | 77
Apparently there's a lot of models of vehicles,in small numbers being used in Kursk. Some of it feels like use it or lose it mentality. The Ukrainian soldiers look pretty young compared to other fronts as well, so I'm thinking they're going to use them up too, from their 25-27 mobilization cohort.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 19 2024 20:06 utc | 78
Tobias Cole | Aug 19 2024 19:54 utc | 74
*** Are the Brits prepared to go full on with the RF in order to protect a neo Nazi corrupt regime in Kieve led by a pornagraphic comedian? ***
The Establishment, NATO-sycophantic politician certainly are. Meanwhile, the public will mostly think what it is programmed to think it thinks.
Don't ignore the fact that Zelensky regime is basically Zionist-Jewish, and most UK Establishment politicians are in the (initial label varies) "Friends of Israel".
*** Is the British public Ok with a direct war with RF? ***
Well, since the agenda and supporting opinion of the Establishment mass-media is regarded by the rulers as all that matters of the alleged public ....
Posted by: Cynic | Aug 19 2024 20:07 utc | 79
Let me repost my last one :
Quite a few people think that the OPEX in the Kursk Oblast is a NATO order... and they have some good arguments.
The kokhols just had the will to piss off; they spread themselves like pork fat on a toast and instantly went into guerrilla mode and population harassment while feeding the NAFO with “digital artworks” of the kind that makes you miss the entrance exam to the fine arts school in Vienna. The "CNN" communication has been massive since the beginning in the “they humiliated Putin" mode ... except that VVP has already won his elections.
My little finger tells me that we sent there all the most banderists of the bunch: demonstration of future widows in Ivano Frankivsk (high place of the UAP), plus no videos of forced conscription since, UAF withdrawn from the Donbass front who curiously retreat without practicing the usual defense ”to the last" also since (wouldn't there have mobilized the barrier battalions?), all with the NATO gear of the Belorussian border stash. A good test for armament.
The plan is so irrational and irresponsible that we feel that those who ordered the thing are hastening the downfall of 404. Lindsay pointed his sucker mouth in Kiev ... the neocons are fixing the thing "pronto". They will hand over the defeat to ”genocide Joe“ so as not to drag this on top of the November elections.
We come back to one of my previous predictions, the end of the project: "between the European and American elections.”
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Aug 19 2024 20:15 utc | 80
And actually the Scots don’t get off ‘scot-free’ so to speak. Who the heck kept voting for Nicola Sturgeon?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 18:53 utc | 63
Well, "We know better NOY!" as Ian Paisley was wont to say. Sorry about that.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 20:18 utc | 81
The only thing the Ukrainian attack on Russia proper is going to accomplish is to make Russian reluctant to ease up any pressure on Ukrainian lines or even consider cease-fire negotiations. When the dust settles and Ukrainian forces- or what's left of them- are tossed back onto their side of the street, it would not surprise me if Russia doesn't warm up the TU-95's for a little payback of the carpet-bombing kind. If I were a Ukrainian citizen in Kiev, I'd be scoping out the nearest bomb shelter and/or a way to get out before the Russians roll again.
Posted by: John S | Aug 19 2024 20:20 utc | 82
Paul from [email protected]'s not infighting, that's open debate....all those you mentioned Paul are all in on this assault on Russia. This thing is just getting started, no one is (weird shit talks aside) backing down, not in public, not on the battle field. And what a glorious battlefield it is....the dead hang from trees, die on their knees, blood flows, on the warm Summer's breeze, the sweet smell of glory hangs in the air, brown eyes look back, in lifeless stare.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2024 20:22 utc | 83
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 19 2024 19:15 utc | 67
"That cunt, Starmer, is worse than Chamberlain."
Strictly speaking, you should compare him with Blair, but then it's hard to tell which is worst. Starmer hasn't had time yet to fuck up so bad.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 20:22 utc | 84
Posted by: Red Star | Aug 19 2024 18:52 utc | 62
Interesting you miss out the big ticket items. £18 billion to pay off the unions with their pay claims (£81K for a 4 day week driving trains, for example), £11 billion in overseas aid and climate assistance, £8 billion on Green energy. They’ve inherited the fastest growing economy in the G7, but still need to punish perceived class-enemies. They reward state approved citizens by wealth transfer from state enemies and declare any opposition hate speech, terrorism and try and restrict centuries old freedoms.
They are an incompetent authoritarian puppet government whose aim is not re-election but to initiate a 5 year project to transform the UK into a bureaucratic state. Exactly the role of Biden, Trudeau, Arden etc, etc. Putin’s in the way, Trump’s potentially going to be in the way, use Ukraine to take out Putin, use a weaponised justice system, then an assassins bullets to remove Trump. Both have failed.
As to the article, there’s no love lost between the Biden/Harris regime and the UK, that’s from the horses mouth, so seems both are trying to take credit whilst blaming each other, if it all blows up.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:24 utc | 85
Map of Ukraine once the SMO will be over:
https://t.me/vladi_the_gr8/56806
That is: 6 oblasts (in violet on the map):
Ivano-Frankivsk
Lvov
Rivne
Ternopil
Khmelnytskyi
Volyn
Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2024 20:33 utc | 86
Posted by: paddy | Aug 19 2024 19:07 utc | 66
In both those campaigns the Germans either had air dominance, or contested it, Ukraine cannot do so and she has no answer to the Russians increasing use of SRBM’s, whereas Russian AD has an ever-increasing success rate v the Ukrainian equivalent. I’d say the Ardennes in ‘44 better reflects the operational impact, created by the disparity of the relative airpower available. There is a case for arguing it’s even worse, because although the accuracy and range of arial weapons was worse, the Germans had far more effective AD v’s CAS than the Ukrainians do.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:34 utc | 87
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 19 2024 19:54 utc | 74
"bases in the Orkney's"
I have to tell you, Scapa Flow has not been a naval base since WWII, and the Shetland Bus is long gone. Where are you getting this stuff?
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 19 2024 20:39 utc | 88
85 - I live there. It already is a bureaucratic state.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 19 2024 20:42 utc | 89
Yes I had already independently speculated that the Kursk (“Ardennes II”) offensive was the result of a deranged fit of rage by the hapless Brits after a crowd of their best SAS / SBS special forces were wiped out in Odessa in a Russian missile strike a couple of months ago. Rage fuelled denial of inevitable defeat and humiliation are driving the multi headed US-Ukraine-UK ( “ USUUK! “ ) to ever more desperate hail Mary flails.
Meanwhile reality continues to impose itself at the battle lines. Hitler’s 1945 rants have nothing on what’s going on behind a whole squadron of mahogany bombers right now. Shame to damage such nice furniture 🪑
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 19 2024 20:49 utc | 90
Germany will continue to support Ukraine, in particular with a €50 billion loan — Olaf Scholz
A pregnant woman was killed in a Ukrainian airstrike on Donetsk. Ukrainian Nazis shelled the Petrovsky district with artillery. One of the shells hit a public transport stop.
In total, at least ten civilians were wounded in the shelling of the DPR capital. Two of them are children.
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 19 2024 20:50 utc | 91
Putin's zero reaction to the events in the Kursk region proves that there is no reason not to give us permission to strike the Russian Federation with long-range weapons. - Zelensky
Shadowbanned was right.
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 19 2024 20:58 utc | 92
They reward state approved citizens by wealth transfer from state enemies
Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:24 utc | 85
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All States do this. Wealth transfer is the principle power of State.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 19 2024 21:00 utc | 93
£81K for a 4 day week driving trains, for example
Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:24 utc | 85
I apologise to to others for thread drift, but this smacks of the “politics of envy”. I failed a drivers training course: I knew all the General Rules, the Rules Of The Route, the Sectional Appendices, but I could not get past the reaction times on the simulator. In my training intake there was a high-flying City lawyer who was fed up with the demands his then bosses were making; during a break he volunteered to me “This is harder than I thought it would be”.
Those people earn their just rewards, as things should be in a free market where a particular set of skills, attributes, mindset and basic talent are required and are in limited supply. Don’t get suckered in by Daily Express type stuff on this issue; remember how they cover the SMO.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2024 21:00 utc | 94
"As to the article, there’s no love lost between the Biden/Harris regime and the UK, that’s from the horses mouth, so seems both are trying to take credit whilst blaming each other, if it all blows up."
Posted by: Milites | Aug 19 2024 20:24 utc | 85
Amen
So the purpose of the made-in-Britain Kursk offensive was to e courage all and sundry to pony up more support for Ukraine?
Well Germany’s prompt announcement of an end to financial support of Ukraine shows just how well that succeeded.
Now they’ll just make BRICS dreams come true by burying their fists in the stolen Russian assets and leaving the U.S. dollar and the west’s financial system as a headless chicken.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 19 2024 21:04 utc | 96
Nuclear or conventional war with NATO is not the way forward. Instead a proxy biological war serves them right. Middle Eastern groups should be supplied with substances for the purpose and let them figure out the rest. The Americas are isolated geographically which makes them a selected target.
Russia should also have tens of thousands of land launched nuclear missiles in the intermediate range for Europe.
Posted by: Jason | Aug 19 2024 21:04 utc | 97
Map of Ukraine once the SMO will be over:https://t.me/vladi_the_gr8/56806
That is: 6 oblasts (in violet on the map):
Ivano-Frankivsk
Lvov
Rivne
Ternopil
Khmelnytskyi
VolynPosted by: Naive | Aug 19 2024 20:33 utc | 86
There are two problems with that. There are nuclear power plants in Rivne and Khmelnytskyi. The area would have to be occupied and the nuclear power plants utterly demolished before allowing a rump state with those borders in the far west. Either that or shift the population out of Rivne and Khmelnytskyi. We have seen for years that the Bandera people are obsessed with nuclear terrorism.
Posted by: Drifter | Aug 19 2024 21:10 utc | 98
Minimo
“Putin’s zero reaction”
“Shadow banned was right”
Reacting is what USUUK do.
The Russians meanwhile just get on with inexorably winning at the front lines.
Russia is doing everything with a view to the global audience. The west meanwhile address no audience but themselves - their Russia loathing is self-justifying, self sustaining, all absorbing and masturbatory.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 19 2024 21:13 utc | 99
wait till NATO and US sign off on the long range 900k type weapons, more Russian processing facilities will go poof .....and it still won't hurt USNatoUK except for side splitting pain from laughter.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2024 17:59 utc | 39
It's probably, definitely going to be a lethal assessment to make.
Posted by: jpc | Aug 19 2024 21:18 utc | 100
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If NATO attacks do seriously threaten Russia, I hope they just take out DC
Posted by: Sentient | Aug 19 2024 16:08 utc | 1