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July 31, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-181

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Lev Davidovich | Aug 1 2024 9:24 utc | 99
Not even political cals in Ukraine Lev. US/UK installed pure organised crime as the Government and empowered the very much in the minority nazi faction.
The ordinary people, instead of rebelling against this, just put their heads in the sand like ostridges. Well now they are paying the price. I cannot feel empathy knowing what they are fighting for, just sadness that people are so foolish.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 9:38 utc | 101

Another bad typo –
Not even political class in Ukraine Lev …

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 9:42 utc | 102

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 1 2024 9:24 utc | 99
Looking at the numbers of Ukr refugees found in natostan now, I’d say many from the western parts did not want to be a part of it either but still hated Russia enough to not go there. Now their little brains will have to process that nato wants them on the front line and no more free money. Oops
Also looks like Putin is fixing, as usual, ( t.me/DDGeopolitics/118003 ) the Duma geniuses ( tass.com/society/1823375 )

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 9:49 utc | 103

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2024 7:12 utc | 91
Again, another article that says little. Russian radars, on their interceptors were normally very powerful, Mig-25 radars literally burned through ECCM, and Su-27 pilots were instructed to switch off their radars during taxing to reduced chances of frying friendly electronics and personnel. NATO platforms have signs warning about radiation, everyone who deals with radars has, or has been told about the dangers of standing in front of radars. The Soviets favoured powerful radars because their collector technology (analysing the radar reflections) was not as sensitive, so, to get the same level of returns meant generating and emitting more powerful beams, a feature that stealth technology was designed to exploit. So powerful does not always translate to being the best.
As for Russian expertise in what they call, ‘radio-electronic warfare’ has always been a known quantity, hence NATO’s development and introduction of new communications equipment and weapons, in the 80’s, to try and counter their dominance in that field. Comments about admitting technological backwardness in this field are therefore misleading, whilst it’s true not enough investment has been made in the field, the experience in Ukraine has shown it can rapidly catch up and exceed Russian capabilities. The real issue is will the supply chain and hard skills vulnerabilities, that have been allowed to accumulate for decades, allow that capability to be fully realised.
Overall, a typical article using open source material drafted for the inter webs, i.e. hyperbolic summary of known knowns and known unknowns, pretending their have been unknown unknowns until now. Russia always invested heavily in electronic warfare seeing it, like AD systems, as an economical way to collectively counter the significant weaknesses she’d encounter in an East-West conflict. It also fitted well with an emphasis on deception operations, allowing them the edge of uncertainty, a doctrine that has had to be rethought now that Russia has confronted Western ISR capabilities in a wartime environment. An often over-looked consequence of the SMO, and probably worth conducting the operation alone, as previously guesstimated capabilities are now increasingly revealed.
Posted by: Boo | Aug 1 2024 8:45 utc | 98
If true, big if, then the SMO conflict will truly have had a strategic game-changer deployed. I’ve always said, the moment Ukraine’s over-reliance on drones is effectively exploited the conflicts as good as finished. Drones will be relegated from being seen as uber-weapons to simply being viewed as useful tools in a commanders kit box.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 1 2024 9:54 utc | 104

@61
Not sure that Anonymous’s belief that anything (let alone war) will just progress in a linear manner is incredibly naïve or incredibly stupid. I guess its just trolling but I think based on available information , it’s the latter.

Posted by: yarpos | Aug 1 2024 10:08 utc | 105

Milites | Aug 1 2024 9:54 utc | 104
The electronic warfare. Hard to get a handle on at times as neither side wants to overly show their hand, but Russia does seem to have a good edge in this. Something that is constantly evolving on both sides I would assume.
But I look at America, long gone are the days of the likes of Larry Johnson. Now many expensive boondoggles. Musk’s companies are a bit of an outlier as they produce things that work, but that is about it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 10:16 utc | 106

Ilya Ponomarev, one of the chief Ukrainian propagandists, have been struck with a drone.

Ukrainian media write that today a UAV flew into the house of rooster Ilya Ponomarev near Kiev.
For those who don’t know, he is a former Russian deputy who is recognized as a foreign agent and included in the list of terrorists and extremists; he has been living in Ukraine for several years and strongly supports the current regime and the fight against the Russian Federation.
The building itself was badly damaged; Ponomarev and his wife received shrapnel wounds.
– ISZ reports
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1818949807433462147

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2024 10:23 utc | 107

currently an article on the 0hedge:

Zelensky Suspends Ukraine’s Foreign Debt Payments Starting Aug 1st
Who could have seen this coming? Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has signed a new law which defers public debt payments until October if necessary, Reuters has confirmed. The bill was signed by Zelensky and returned to parliament on Wednesday.
The government now has the authority to postpone payments on external public debt until restructuring negotiations are seen through, which could then see a moratorium held that would formally mark a sovereign default.
“It is necessary to introduce, for the period of transactions to change the terms of borrowing, temporary measures related to the servicing and repayment of debt obligations and a moratorium on satisfaction of creditors’ claims,” the bill released by the president’s office said.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 1 2024 10:45 utc | 108

Ru MOD announced today that 3 Patriot Launchers + another HIMARS were hit. If we go with what they announced in recent weeks, they should’ve destroyed quite a few HIMARS already. But if there is any truth regarding those Patriots, then it’s very big deal.
Hope some footage will be released at some point.

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 11:00 utc | 109

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 9:49 utc | 103
can someone explain what
– visa —> t.me/DDGeopolitics/118003
has to do with
– compulsory military service for new citizens —> tass.com/society/1823375
???

Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 1 2024 11:13 utc | 110

@110,
What is so unusual about the law? If you want to be a Russian citizen, you need to do military service for the state as any other Russian native. It’s only relevant for foreigners that want to be RU citizens not all foreigners.

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 11:19 utc | 111

Re: Posted by: yarpos | Aug 1 2024 10:08 utc | 105

Not sure that Anonymous’s belief that anything (let alone war) will just progress in a linear manner is incredibly naïve or incredibly stupid. I guess its just trolling but I think based on available information , it’s the latter.

I don’t believe he is claiming the war will progress in a linear manner – he is merely pointing out that at the current rate of progress the dreams of Russians marching into Lviv are in fact several decades away – at the current rate of progress.
As it is so far – there is no indication that Russia is at all accelerating to any meaningful degree in their rate i of progress.
I maintain this war will be over in March Quarter 2025.
If I am right – time is running short for Russia to achieve its stated war aims.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 1 2024 11:27 utc | 112

as any other Russian native.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 11:19 utc | 111

I’d add “male” to that, male citizens only, unlike some other country.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 1 2024 11:28 utc | 113

Posted by: Julian | Aug 1 2024 11:27 utc | 112
Why on earth do you think Russia EVER wanted to march on Lviv. All it ever wanted was to have no NATO missiles and army there. Russia has no interest at all in acquiring Lviv, and would be foolish to try. It is hostile territory and would only cause it pain.
Russia I am sure would have loved to get Kharkov and I feel sure still wants Odessa, at least as a neutral zone, but never, ever the Polish provinces.
Moreover while Russia may love to have Kiev on a voluntary basis, Putin in particular as a history and conservation nerd, would never be in favour of bombing Kiev – at least not the old parts. An airport of military barracks perhaps but not the old buildings. However should any NATO/Ukrainian destroy Russian heritage eg Moscow or St Petersburg, then all bets are off.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 1 2024 11:38 utc | 114

RU MOD claims three Patriot PAC-3 launchers destroyed in Ukraine over the past day.
This is no more affecting only Ukraine, it must be having impact on US defending all its bases world wide, and even the US homeland. This must also contribute to Iran’s counter strike in Israel.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 1 2024 12:19 utc | 115

@ Anonymous
“The “full on” steam of gains is not happening. The math shows that. Russians are averaging between .01% and .02% per month.”
This is spurious and you should know better, the .01 and .02% you mention are some of the most fortified and determinedly defended places on earth. As in the Battle of the Somme, the defender makes a maximum effort and almost breaks their army doing it. That’s what led to the retreat to the Siegfriedstellung, I can’t wait for the disintegration of the US-Ukronazi army to accelerate so that I can say that I told you so. ;O)

Posted by: Squeeth | Aug 1 2024 12:25 utc | 116

https://t.me/rybar/62303

🇷🇺✈️”What’s the FPV Drone Trend?” – On the Problem of Chasing UAV Production Figures Many different events have taken place
in the six months since our publication on the problems of domestic unmanned aerial vehicle manufacturing. And yesterday, Defense Minister Andrei Belousov reported an increase in drone production and daily deliveries of about four thousand UAVs to the troops.
The figure is really large – more than a million units per year. However, today it is not so much the bare figures for the production of UAVs that are important, but the efficiency of their use. Which is largely ensured by the speed of adaptation to new realities and reactions to changes.
▪️Thus, over the course of a year, the front has become saturated with portable electronic warfare systems, but the army continues to receive FPV drones mainly from one supplier on the same frequencies long known to the enemy. The volume of deliveries does not matter here: what difference does it make how many UAVs arrived if this entire batch is lost due to interference?
▪️In conditions of the frontline being saturated with “trench EW”, new technical solutions are emerging, which may lead to an increase in the cost of the product and a reduction in production. But this is compensated by an increase in efficiency: an operator with only ten interference-resistant drones will be much more effective than an operator with two hundred unstable ones .
▪️Finally, FPV drones must be delivered to the right people, which requires changes in the organizational structure — this is what the enemy is currently doing with its unmanned aircraft battalions. What is the point of producing 4,000 units a day if drone operators are not supposed to have them, and they have to be obtained in a roundabout way?
Today, the industry is at a stage where quantity must turn into quality. Mindless pursuit of drone production figures for the sake of a beautiful report will lead to the supply of a mass of non-functioning products and complete chaos in their use. Which will lead to a lag behind the enemy, fraught with failures on the battlefield.
#UAV #Russia
@rybar

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 1 2024 12:40 utc | 117

Problem with electronic warfare (and radar too) is transmitter location is broadcast to the whole world, so obvious way to counter EW and radar is just swarm transmitter with missiles and attack drones. I’ve long predicted radar would fade in importance in the future in favor of passive visual/infrared/audio sensors arranged as a dense mesh, like 5km spacing 15km high x 100km thick, so 60000 sensors to cover 1000km front. Sensor technology is dirt cheap as is computing power to detect patterns amidst noise and not easy to spot passive sensors and very expensive to shoot down 80000 sensors other than with equally cheap drones. Only problem is positioning sensors in the air, especially in high wind conditions, because using a powerful engine to fight wind would make these sensor drones expensive. Maybe some way to use drones that are allowed to follow the wind, then land drone and use a truck to haul them back in the upwind direction and relaunch.
As for EW to defeat drones, won’t work against autonomous. They need to up those 12gauge shotguns with kelvar between balls to 4 gauge and have an automated drone do the detection, aiming and firing. Put the whole system on the back of an ATV for easy mobility and position several systems around every grouping of soldiers.

Posted by: anonposter | Aug 1 2024 12:43 utc | 118

There seems to be a major prisoner swap happening today, reports mention something like 20-30 people involved which is huge. It remains to be seen who RU actually let’s go besides those 2 Americans and who they get in return.

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 12:49 utc | 119

What is so unusual about the law?
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 11:19 utc | 111
Please enlighten us. Which other country on the planet sends people applying for citizenship, of age 20, 30 or 50 (the age limit is not in the text, only that it’s higher than the one for citizens. Can you find it? Please share the original) into military service for two years as precondition for citizenship? I assume you’re Russian and you want to avoid going to any front line in the forever smo, which is understandable, but no one on the planet will apply for citizenship if the law remains as is, so you’ll still end there by being the only available citizen.

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 12:53 utc | 120

https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16708

A couple of days ago I witnessed the confident work of our drone on the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, at a distance of about 25 km. The “Northerners” launched 5 FPV, of which 4 confidently overcame this distance and hit the target, one fell a little short.
The enemy also flies at such distances, here the question is how soon the tactics and technical solutions will be developed that will turn the 20 km strip (20 km from the LBS) into a zone of continuous destruction. At the moment, these are still sporadic strikes, and not constant patrolling in the air. But the time is not far off when artillery will be constantly under attack from drones and the countermeasure tactics will include calculations of ultra-low air defense, which will operate as part of both artillery batteries and individual guns.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 1 2024 12:56 utc | 121

Russia I am sure would have loved to get Kharkov and I feel sure still wants Odessa, at least as a neutral zone, but never, ever the Polish provinces.
Moreover while Russia may love to have Kiev on a voluntary basis, Putin in particular as a history and conservation nerd, would never be in favour of bombing Kiev – at least not the old parts. An airport of military barracks perhaps but not the old buildings. However should any NATO/Ukrainian destroy Russian heritage eg Moscow or St Petersburg, then all bets are off.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 1 2024 11:38 utc | 114
I am not so sure about Odessa. It’s a Russian city, sure. But I think at least parts of the Russian government would prefer that Odessa stay with Ukraine.
Russia doesn’t want a failed state at its borders. And a land-locked Ukrainian rump state would probably never amount to anything but that.
In addition, I suspect that Russia would prefer to avoid extending its NATO borders. The Kharkov and Kiev regions don’t have borders with NATO countries.
Odessa does. I think they’d prefer for Odessa to remain part of a buffer zone.
Some people then always feel compelled to point out that Russia already has borders with NATO countries, like Finnland and Poland.
So what? What does that have to do with the situation in Ukraine?
As long as Ukraine exists between Russia and NATO, it provides a buffer zone – if it stays neutral in that conflict. And if it doesn’t stay neutral, it will become a battle ground in the NATO Russia fight. Again. Which is a lot less painful for Russia if that battle ground is not part of the Russian Federation.
That is why Russia will not tolerate Ukraine becoming a NATO member.

Posted by: Martina | Aug 1 2024 13:01 utc | 122

@120,
I’m not Russian. You can look at Israel as an example, if you want to get Jewish citizenship, you need to do military service. I think this is pretty what this bill is all about. And of course, it’s not the only case. Again, the article only mentions people that want to get the citizenship, not all foreigners in RU. Calm down.
And I am sorry to break it to you (if you are Russian) but you have a lot of enemies around you that (also) want to reintroduce military conscription in their countries as well. Why do you think they do it?
If you don’t care about your nation, that’s fine .. I think you still have the option to leave RU now (maybe later it will be like Ukr where the chance to leave now is close to 0).

Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 13:04 utc | 123

What is so unusual about the law? If you want to be a Russian citizen, you need to do military service for the state as any other Russian native. It’s only relevant for foreigners that want to be RU citizens not all foreigners.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 11:19 utc | 111
_____
Indeed. Compare that to the USA, where registration for the draft is required of any male applying for a Green Card.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 13:07 utc | 124

As for EW to defeat drones, won’t work against autonomous.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 1 2024 12:43 utc | 118
Sure it works. They have to “see”, get location, maintain path. You don’t understand what autonomous means. You can mess a fighter jet with EW and it’s more autonomous than a drone since it has its own pilot. I’m sure Russia does not use all EW they have on the smo, many things are reserved for nato. The smo is as its name says, a police action, very far from a war.

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 13:08 utc | 125

Martina | Aug 1 2024 13:01 utc | 122
“Russia doesn’t want a failed state at its borders. And a land-locked Ukrainian rump state would probably never amount to anything but that.”
Russia’s only options are to secure control of the land bridge and the littoral, or to leave the same NATOfied attack dog. (Obviously there never can be a true “failed state” here. Any such vacuum would instantly be re-filled by the US.)

Posted by: flying dutchman | Aug 1 2024 13:11 utc | 126

The smo is as its name says, a police action, very far from a war.
Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 13:08 utc | 125

See, you know it, and still in

No one will be soldier for two years for the privilege to be blown up by cluster bombs on a Russian beach
Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 5:45 utc | 86

you posit that conscripts can somehow end up in the SMO zone, which is forbidden.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 1 2024 13:53 utc | 127

Colonel Douglas MacGregor says in a July 29th interview (below) that presumably Ukrainian drones flew over presumably the Finnish air space and destroyed at least one supersonic Russian bomber on a Russian airfield on the Arctic circle.
Look at about 12 min in the video,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6vq8WncVk
This is to be correlater with the ambush of Wagner troops by forces related to Ukraine in Sahel/Mali.
Question. What is the contribution of US/UK/NATO/FR?

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 1 2024 13:57 utc | 128

The barflies are way up the river de Nile. The SMO wasn’t conceived as a war of attrition, it was a blitzkreig to quickly seize Kyiv.
The plan failed for obvious reasons.
Now Russia is stopped cold along a static front. Ukraine, the defenders are holding. Dreaming about a future where Russia breaks out of their quagmire is fine, but it is speculative fiction at this point.
The Putin fanboys have been staring at a pet rock for years, imaging motion or fantasizing about future motion. On this thread, the four Oblasts are already taken, F16s have all been shot down, and the Ukrainian front has collapsed — and those are the rational barflies!
It is as if the Russia fans are all sitting on Santa’s lap while they post here, simply rattling off their wish list for the future — because Santa knows which nations have been naughty or nice.
The slog deniers should start off their posts with: “I know the front has been locked for years, but …”
How can anyone take what they post seriously, when they deny the past? Russia failed to take Kyiv in 2022. Ukraine has gained land since. Russia’s invasion was an abject failure. Now they are locked in a quagmire.
You can fantasize that Martians will land and help Putin out of his Vietnam, but please acknowledge the past instead of rewriting it.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 14:43 utc | 129

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 13:08 utc | 125
>>As for EW to defeat drones, won’t work against autonomous.
>Sure it works. They have to “see”, get location, maintain path. You don’t understand what autonomous means. You can mess a fighter jet with EW and it’s more autonomous than a drone
You don’t understand what autonomous means.
Fighter jet with no transmitter/receiver electronics is not susceptible to ordinary EW. Sure, there is EMP and directed energy, but directed energy falls off at square of distance from transmitter and so requires enormous energy, far more than is practical for every infantry squad to have an EW directed energy gun, much less EMP.
A truly autonomous drone similarly has no need for transmitter/receiver electronics, other than camera use of visible/infrared spectrum, which is beyond EW capabilities. Drone might have optional transmission/reception of radio frequency to provide feedback to and receive updated instructions from operators, but autonomous means it doesn’t need such communication. Such drones are coming. Kinetic weapons are the only solid defense.

Posted by: anonposter | Aug 1 2024 15:01 utc | 130

Colonel Douglas MacGregor says in a July 29th interview (below) that presumably Ukrainian drones flew over presumably the Finnish air space and destroyed at least one supersonic Russian bomber on a Russian airfield on the Arctic circle.
Question. What is the contribution of US/UK/NATO/FR?
Posted by: Richard L | Aug 1 2024 13:57 utc | 128
Already discussed, unconfirmed and if it happened it would render poland, the baltics and finland either co-belligerents or liable to be asked to prove they are not by punishing ukraine.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 1 2024 15:35 utc | 131

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 14:43 utc | 129

no

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 1 2024 15:40 utc | 132

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 14:43 utc | 129
I’ll add another indicator to the incline, decline cycle. Cautious optimism v’s hyperbole, I appreciate your contribution.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 1 2024 15:42 utc | 133

Posted by: anonposter | Aug 1 2024 15:01 utc | 130
Depends on the criteria used for the autonomous attack routine. The dangers of hypothetical future scenarios, regarding a particular platform, is that its proponents often do not extend its target to the same level of upgrading. Autonomous drones will eventually arrive (quite a few false dawns) but so will active camouflage, full spectrum blocking agents, advanced optical sensors, lightweight composite armour’s, ( Chobham & Dorchester II) thermal shielding, counter-drones etc, etc.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 1 2024 15:52 utc | 134

Napolean 129
You are emotionally wedded to your Russophobic Barbarossa 2.0 NAZO position –
fine, most of the west is with you there.
That doesn’t make it any less pathetic though.
Russia expected Blitzkrieg victory?
Pure fantasy, all the evidence is against that.
Modern war technology greatly favours defenders so its WW1 again,
Russia realised that first with their advances in Severodonesk and Lyzychansk.
Seeing how slowly the front moves now,
does that not make it more remarkable how Russia gained so much of Ukraine (Lugansk, Donetsk, Zapo, Kherson) in their initial inflationary phase of the war?
In a war where progress is measured in tree-lines and half-fields,
that doesn’t look like failure to me.
Russian industry is outperforming the entire NAZO – did that happen just by accident?
Russia have been preparing for EXACTLY THIS SCENATIO since 1991.
Since Yeltsin appointed Putin as successor.
Yeltsin told Putin to prepare for WW1 style war in 30 years time.
When it became clear to Yeltsin – even through his alcohol befuddlement –
that NAZO would settle for nothing less than a final solution to the Russian untermenschen.
So let NAZO waste time in the middle east, 911, Iraq 1+2 – that worked excellently.
Think that beating small second world ragtag armies means they’re a superpower LOL!
The result of west sanctions is that Russia’s economy overtakes both Germany and Japan,
Russia richer and stronger than ever before,
which side did poor planning?
NAZO have their trousers round their ankles in front of Russia,
sacrificed all their hardware stockpiles and technology “secrets”, for nothing, they are still losing.
Not to mention half a million Ukrainians killed who no-one ever mentions – why should they?
And quite a lot of their own people as well,
a dozen or so NAZO specialists killed per month in little Russia.
So the line is static you say? Ukies doing just fine?
Why then are they bringing Himars launchers dangerously up to the front line which they never did before,
like in desperation, three more destroyed just today:
https://youtu.be/vJJalfeMFmA?si=L5HpO41RLQu4tHis
That NAZO storyline doesn’t really add up.
Probably because nothing whatsoever in western media “adds up” any more to anything
other than deliberate lying antidemocratic crowd-control propaganda.
Kamala Harris never had anything to do with the Mexico border!
She’s not Indian but Afro black as black can be!
Did someone really try to assassinate Trump?
Do you still believe that?
Didn’t a bird just crap on his ear?

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 1 2024 16:20 utc | 135

Ukraine lost more than 60,000 servicemen in the area of the special military operation in July, data from the Russian Defense Ministry show.
Posted by: guest | Aug 1 2024 8:06 utc | 95
You are imagining battles that were never fought. These are ludicrous numbers. I can’t imagine any sentient being not laughing them off.
It’s amazing how barflies animate their pet rock, Putin’s slog. What else do you see? Has Putin captured the One Ring from orcs?

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 16:29 utc | 136

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 14:43 utc
“Now Russia is stopped cold along a static front. Ukraine, the defenders are holding.”
Can we agree to disagree on this point? If this were the case Ukraine would still hold Krasnahorovka and Avdeevka, New York and Toretsk wouldn’t be in the process of being gobbled up and they wouldn’t be fighting on the western side of the canal in Chasov Yar.
That said, there absolutely are areas that remain static or semi static and that’s not for lack of trying on the part of the Russians (Sinkovka, Ugledar, Seversk) but to say that the entire front is locked up and unmoving is not something that can be supported by what’s going on mostly in Donetsk right now.
“How can anyone take what they post seriously, when they deny the past? Russia failed to take Kyiv in 2022. Ukraine has gained land since. Russia’s invasion was an abject failure. Now they are locked in a quagmire.”
I guess it depends on how you look at it. One could argue that Russia has “won” in that the DPR and LPR weren’t overrun by a Ukrainian offensive in March of 2022, and their territory has only grown compared to what they had pre Feb 2022.
But you are right about the rose colored glasses, the initial invasion was a failure for the Russians in that the Ukrainian Gov and Army did not melt away as they thought they would, and Russia went in with FAR too few troops in far too many areas all at once (most folks are agreeing it was around 100K, one of the few times where the attacker was significantly outnumbered by the defender)
I would counter that the bigger failure wasn’t around Kiev but rather failing to take or neutralize Kharkov. I believe the Russians thought it would be similar to Crimea but with a bit more violence, a few die-hards here and there they would need to take out piecemeal. They weren’t expecting to get seriously stopped and bogged down only 30-40 km from the border and when the Kharkov domino didn’t fall that sealed the deal for any quick end to all this. Nobody likes to openly admit their mistakes, especially in front of their adversaries in the heat of the moment- but it’s my hope when this all over more objective voices will be able to speak to just how big of a problem Kharkov was for the Russians and how much not taking it really hurt them. Example, most of the territory that Ukraine has managed to retake was thanks to the Russians not taking Kharkov seriously enough, a mistake the Ukrainians rightly exploited to their credit.
Who knows, maybe the Russians will even see the light and admit (grudgingly, likely on the back pages of the paper) that Strelkov wasn’t entirely wrong with his supposed crazy defeatest hand-waving early on. Without getting into all of the nitpicky details around his case, a lot of what he was saying turned out to be largely correct but instead the Russians chose to vilify and silence him. Here we are a couple years later and they’re largely doing what he said they’d have to do, throwing much greater resources into the effort which are (slowly) bearing fruit.

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 1 2024 16:47 utc | 137

Napoleon,
Go troll somewhere else. Very juvenile.
Your incoherent ramblings would be more appropriate for Tic Tok.

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 1 2024 16:55 utc | 138

I don’t expect linearity. We could have a breakthrough on either side. I can’t predict the future. My main point is that “you people” (trademark Ross Perot) are consuming too much hopium copium clickbait from Dima and the like. If you scan out, CURRENT rate of advance is very small. Of course it might change. But it hasn’t yet. So when you cluck around about villages taken, you’re being silly.
Do you capisce? Now…go and sin no more!

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2024 16:57 utc | 139

Oh…and I would rip NAFO types the inverse asshole, if this were a UFA aligned site. It’s amazing to me how mirror image the stupidity and wishcasting is on both sides. Then again, there are a lot of stupid people..

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2024 16:59 utc | 140

Go troll somewhere else. Very juvenile.
Your incoherent ramblings would be more appropriate for Tic Tok.
Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 1 2024 16:55 utc | 138
I am trolling, but out of love. I hate to see barflies turn into delusional warmongers that call their enemy Nazis — it’s so cliched.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 17:01 utc | 141

Then again, there are a lot of stupid people..
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2024 16:59 utc | 140
Ok, thanks. We understand your point now. All of us, everyone apart from you, are stupid.
Thanks we get your point, which is somewhat at odds with reality and the scores of rebuttals that sensible people have posted to illustrate the flaws in your argument.
But hail your super brain, we get it. Maybe you can stop posting now that we realise that we aren’t as bright.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 1 2024 17:10 utc | 142

Some more economic stuff.
From: https://ukranews.com/en/news/1023564-deficit-of-current-account-of-balance-of-payments-amounts-to-usd-2-2-billion-in-june

In June, the deficit of the current account of the balance of payments amounted to USD 2.2 billion (in June 2023 – USD 109 million).
This follows from a statement by the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU), the Ukrainian News agency reports.
The formation of the deficit is due to the expansion of the negative balance of trade in goods due primarily to higher volumes of imports and the lack of grant assistance from international partners.
Excluding reinvested income and grants from international partners, the current account deficit amounted to USD 2.1 billion (in June 2023 – USD 1.0 billion).
In the first six months of 2024, the current account deficit amounted to USD 8.7 billion (in H1, 2023 – USD 1.8 billion).
Excluding reinvested income and grants from international partners, the deficit amounted to USD 8.2 billion (in H1, 2023 – USD 7.1 billion).
The export of goods decreased by 4.3% (in May 2024, it increased by 13.1%), and their import increased by 5.5% (in May 2024, it increased by 12.5%).
Compared to the previous month, the exports of goods decreased by 19.7%, while their imports decreased by 1.7%.
The volume of exports of goods amounted to USD 2.7 billion.
Exports decreased primarily at the expense of machine-building products (by 36.1%, compared to May it decreased by 23.6%).
The volume of imports of goods amounted to USD 5.4 billion.
Energy imports increased by 16.3% (in May – increased by 5.6%), mainly due to the increase in imports of electricity and oil products.
In turn, non-energy imports increased by 3.8% (in May – decreased by 2.9%).
In June, the balance of payments was reduced to a deficit of USD 0.9 billion (in June 2023, the surplus was USD 1.0 billion).
Net repayment of loans to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) amounted to USD 248 million, and net receipts in June 2023 amounted to USD 719 million.
As of June 1, 2024, the volume of international reserves amounted to USD 37.9 billion, which provides financing for imports for the future period of 4.9 months.
As the Ukrainian News agency earlier reported, the current account deficit of the balance of payments in 2023 amounted to USD 9.8 billion (5.5% of GDP) compared to a surplus of USD 8.0 billion (5.0% of GDP) in 2022.
In 2023, the consolidated balance of payments was formed with a surplus of USD 9.5 billion (in 2022, the deficit was USD 2.9 billion).
The balance of payments current account surplus was USD 8.6 billion (5.8% of GDP) in 2022, compared with a deficit of USD 3.9 billion (1.9% of GDP) in 2021.
In general, for 2022, the consolidated balance of payments was formed with a deficit of USD 2.9 billion (in 2021, the surplus was USD 487 million).

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https://ukranews.com/en/news/1023708-ukrtelecom-cuts-income-by-8-to-uah-2-3-billion-in-h1-2024

In January-June 2024, the Ukrtelecom telecommunications company reduced its income by 8% to UAH 2.3 billion compared to the same period last year.
The Ukrtelecom has said this in a statement, the Ukrainian News agency reports.
Also, in the first half of the year, the company reduced its EBITDA (Earnings before Taxes, Interest, and Depreciation) by 11.4% to UAH 620 million.
Capital investments during this period amounted to over UAH 585 million.
During the first half of 2024, revenues from commercial real estate leases freed up due to network modernization increased by 39% compared to the previous year and amounted to over UAH 210 million.
Also, in January-June, about 4,000 kilometers of fiber-optic lines were built, and in general, the optical network of Ukrtelecom has more than 84,000 kilometers.
“Connections are increasing, correspondingly, the total income from the provision of optical Internet services is increasing. In the first half of this year, compared to last year, 16% more new subscribers of the mass segment, small and medium-sized enterprises were connected to the high-speed optical Internet. As a result, the income from the provision of optical Internet services for the specified category of users increased by 15.5% year over year. Among large enterprises, the connection of new optical subscribers in the first half of the year increased by 37.5%, and the corresponding income – by 34%,” the report said.
As the Ukrainian News agency earlier reported, in 2023, compared to 2022, Ukrtelecom reduced revenues by 10% to UAH 5 billion and EBITDA by 16% to UAH 1 billion.
JSC Ukrtelecom is one of the largest telecommunications companies in Ukraine.
The company is part of the SCM group of companies.

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https://ukranews.com/en/news/1023737-cabinet-introduces-moratorium-on-eurobond-payments

The Cabinet of Ministers has introduced a temporary moratorium on payments for Eurobonds of Ukraine.
This is stated in government resolution No. 865 of July 31 “On the execution of transactions with state debt and state-guaranteed debt in 2024,” the Ukrainian News agency reports.
“In connection with the implementation of transactions with the state debt under the bonds of external state loans of 2018 of the first series, from August 1, 2024, payments on the state’s debt obligations will be temporarily suspended… for the period established by Article 1 of the Law of Ukraine “On peculiarities of the execution of transactions with state, state-guaranteed debt and local debt and state derivatives,” the resolution reads.
The government also transferred the state-guaranteed debt of the former Ukravtodor to the perimeter of the state debt and instructed to carry out its restructuring.
It concerns Eurobonds of 2021 for the total amount of USD 700 million + interest.
At the same time, the Ministry of Finance has been instructed to place bonds of external state loans of Ukraine in 2024 in accordance with the agreed terms, which provide for payments to creditors for consent in the amount of up to USD 246 million.
As the Ukrainian News agency earlier reported, the Verkhovna Rada previously allowed the Cabinet of Ministers to suspend payments on the external state debt until October 2024.

But those fine fellows @Anonymous and @Napoleon will doubtless deny that financial and economic attrition is even a concept, never mind a reality. They really shouldn’t have bought all that Ukrainian government debt for their investment portfolios; now they’re desperately trying to “talk their book”.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 1 2024 17:27 utc | 143

This doesn’t inspire confidence either: https://ukranews.com/en/news/1023718-volume-of-private-remittances-falls-by-record-high-18-6-to-usd-0-8-billion-in-june

The volume of private remittances in June decreased by 18.6% and amounted to USD 0.8 billion. This is a record reduction since the beginning of the war.
This follows from a statement by the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU), the Ukrainian News agency reports.
Wages received by Ukrainians from abroad decreased by 26.4%, while other private remittances received through official channels decreased by 4.1%.
In general, transfers through official channels were 15.6% less than in June last year, while the flow through informal channels decreased by 22.0% compared to June last year.
In total, from January to June 2024, the volume of remittances decreased by 14.4%: net wages decreased by 26.3%, while private transfers increased by 11.8%.
As the Ukrainian News agency earlier reported, the volume of private remittances in 2023 decreased by 7.8% compared to 2022 and amounted to USD 11.6 billion.
In 2021, the volume of remittances to Ukraine increased by 25.4% year over year to USD 15.026 billion.
In 2020, the volume of remittances increased by 1.7% to a record USD 12.1 billion.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 1 2024 17:35 utc | 144

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 1 2024 16:47 utc | 137
The military failure was two-fold. Putin went in light when he raced for Kyiv. He believed the 404 crap that is still gospel among the barflies.
The second failure was geographic. Russia should have ignored Kherson and pushed up the Dnieper on the East bank. Troops that took Kyiv should have instead bypassed the city and moved south on the East side of the river to meet up with Southern group.
This would have cut Ukraine in half. Kyiv would be facing the Russian army, just across the river. The East would be isolated, only another Maginot Line withering away. Instead Vlad went for the shiny objects — cities and wallowed in the East. Hitler made the same mistake, he could have bypassed Stalingrad.
This is not hindsight. I assumed this was the plan before Russia invaded. But no — they had a natural pincer, like in 1914, and blew it. Now the front is so bogged down, it makes World War I look like a Marvel Comics action movie.
Ukraine has held the line for two years. That’s why barflies cling to imagined futures — the invasion has failed. The defense is holding. Good morning Vietnam!

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 17:39 utc | 145

Attrition reaches Ukrainian mobile network operators: https://ukranews.com/en/news/1023672-it-is-extremely-difficult-to-ensure-autonomy-of-mobile-communications-and-internet-for-10-hours

Mobile operators note that it is extremely difficult to ensure 100% autonomy of mobile communications and the Internet for 10 hours during power outages.
This is stated in a joint statement by Kyivstar, Vodafone Ukraine and lifecell, Ukrainian News Agency reports.
The message reminds that recently the National Center for Operational and Technical Management of Telecommunications Networks, which manages electronic communication networks during martial law, adopted an order obliging telecommunications operators to ensure 100% autonomy of mobile communications and the Internet for 10 hours during power outages in an extremely short period of time.
At the same time, in order to fulfill these requirements, it is important to supply electricity during the time required to fully charge the backup power equipment.
In particular, it requires permission from electricity suppliers (regional power distribution companies) to increase the power of the electric current feeding the base stations, since the increase in the number of batteries creates a double load on the power system.
“According to approximate calculations, in order to ensure the charging of batteries that will power the base stations of mobile operators for 10 hours in the event of a blackout, the power of about 2.8 GWh of electricity per day will be needed. For this, the power of essentially one nuclear power unit must be used. In connection with this, on July 19, the National Commission for State Regulation of Energy and Public Utilities (Energy Commission) approved the changes aimed at implementing the optimal procedure for consideration by regional power distribution companies of communications operators’ applications to increase the power supply for base stations. Operators have already begun to take the first steps together with energy companies within the framework of simplified rules,” the statement said.
In addition to the above, operators indicate other factors that affect the fulfillment of the requirements of the National Center for Operational and Technical Management of Telecommunications Networks, such as:
– lack of personnel of operators and subcontractors, sufficient for the maintenance of reserve equipment, and the search for the possibility of reservation of technical workers (according to approximate estimates, the need for additional hiring of specialists amounts to tens of thousands of workers);
– the impossibility of installing and maintaining generators on the roofs of buildings where the majority of base stations are located (especially in large cities with a significant population density, where there is an increased load on the networks), as this is prohibited by the relevant building and sanitary regulations;
– the lack of the required number of rechargeable batteries and stationary generators on the Ukrainian market, the need to purchase them abroad, complicated logistics and long delivery times by foreign suppliers;
– insufficient speed and balance of legislative procedures regarding the change of lease contracts of state and communal property to expand the area occupied by additional cabinets with batteries, etc. So today, the expansion of leased space on state/municipal property requires participation in the auction procedure on Prozorro and takes an average of 6 months;
– the critically unstable situation in the energy sector and long-term power outages lead to deterioration of mobile coverage and quality of services;
“Taking into account the mentioned factors, mobile operators are forced to inform their users that even with the maximum efforts that we certainly make every day, it is extremely difficult to ensure 100% autonomy of mobile communication and the Internet for 10 hours during power outages. All three operators continue to work on strengthening the energy stability of their networks, focusing on the real terms and scope of work, which are determined by objective external factors,” the statement reads.
As Ukrainian News Agency earlier reported, mobile operators were required to ensure 10 hours of network operation during power outages.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 1 2024 17:45 utc | 146

The actual news this week was about Ukraine bonds in default, the West lost the ability to finance the war against debt. Any new deliveries have to be paid in full by the supporting nations. This takes budgets where promises did not.
Together with Israel competition replacements go to zero.
Area captured doesn’t matter. There will be a phase of verbal but no material support before collapse.
US elections, then crickets.

Posted by: SOS | Aug 1 2024 18:07 utc | 147

Over the past 24 hours, Russian Armed Forces groups have destroyed three Patriot air defense missile launchers, a UAV control center, railway trains with personnel and ammunition, and concentrations of enemy manpower and military equipment in 147 areas.
The total losses of Ukrainian troops over the past 24 hours amounted to 1,965 servicemen. In addition, eight field ammunition depots of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been destroyed.
Air defense systems have shot down the following over the past 24 hours: an ATACMS operational-tactical missile, 14 HIMARS rockets, and 61 unmanned aerial vehicles.
“>https://t.me/vicktop55/25623

From Google:
Domestic cost: About US$1.09 billion (FY 2022) for a battery; US$4 million for a single PAC-3 MSE missile Export cost: About US$2.37–2.5 billion for a battery; US$6–10 million (FY 2018) for a single missile
Lotta money made, lotta money lost, probably lost by Germany, certainly by Ukraine. Big Bada Boom for Russia.
If you send all your shit weapon systems to Ukraine to have the Russians destroy them you’ll never have to account for how much they sucked and how much they cost.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 1 2024 18:12 utc | 148

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/73773
“There is an apocalypse in the Pokrovsky direction, a darkness of Russians is coming to all the timber regiments and massively burning Bradleys, tanks and other equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”
Today, the media militant of the national battalion “Aidar” writes panicked messages about the powerful offensive of the “Brave”.
“There is an apocalypse in the Pokrovsky direction today… The Russians have climbed into almost all forest belts, there are just a lot of them…
“It’s hard for the guys, so if you want to help, donate to the Scout, his guys are also there now, he collects drones for them.”
Later, he added that there are losses of equipment
“The Pokrov direction is now, without exaggeration, one of the most active. The Russians burn a lot of our equipment, among them Bradleys, tanks, cars… In short, it’s sad.”

Posted by: Pokrovsk Apocalypse | Aug 1 2024 18:26 utc | 149

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 17:39 utc | 145
Napoleon criticising Hitler’s military mistakes and offering ‘non hindsight’ advice to ‘Vlad’ two years after the event is comedy gold.
Sadly, as well as the billions of dollars of burned equipment, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed. Still, idiots keep cheerleading the carnage.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 1 2024 18:49 utc | 150

Patrick Lancaster embedded himself with an Akhmat special forces training group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtfgxKFC4CA

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 1 2024 20:47 utc | 151

Zelensky’s joke is comedic gold if people weren’t dying in droves.
“Most of the world wants him to talk to Russia”.RT
Who wrtes this material?

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 1 2024 21:42 utc | 152

An interesting look at how individual brigades are building their own internal special forces unit in the Russian military
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/russian-special-forces-the-remedy

For example, this week, our troops quickly broke through to Konstantinovka (on the Marinka-Ugledar highway) and took a bridgehead on the outskirts. This was preceded by powerful artillery preparation. At the same time, DRGs entered behind enemy lines (near the highway) and began actively assaulting the AFU. This caused real panic!
In some cases, our saboteurs work at a depth of up to 10 kilometers, and we see this, for example, in the Slavyansk direction, where our people regularly attack the AFU at the border between Rai-Alexandrovka and Nikiforovka.
The use of special reconnaissance groups is becoming a widespread practice. There’s an interesting backstory here. Starting in the summer of 2022, the AFU actively used this tactic – the near rear was literally swarming with enemy DRGs. This was a serious problem, the front was just being formed, and it was openly leaking, since ours had not yet added sufficient numbers of troops.
At the junction of the zones of responsibility of different units, gaps in the defense regularly formed, and the enemy actively took advantage of this. Now the situation, we see, has swung in the opposite direction. This means that the enemy is in serious trouble.
To make it clear, the entire more than thousand-kilometer front line is a very serious fortification structure. Rows of barbed wire, continuous minefields, trenches, strongholds – both on their side and on ours. And if we switched to the tactics of actively using DRGs, this clearly shows that gaps have formed in these continuous lines of enemy defense. There were no longer enough forces to contain the entire front.
And, among other things, there is one more interesting detail (I say this from personal observations). In the summer of 2023, in addition to the formation of special Storm units, each brigade began to form its own elite units. This was, as I understand it, a special program – the best fighters of suitable age were collected into a special detachment, subordinate directly to the brigade commander. They were trained according to a special program by special GRU instructors.
I still thought then that it was such a fashion for brigade commanders to start their own special forces units, but today, it becomes clear why this whole strategy was needed.
The army is primarily about long-term planning. That is, when preparations were underway for the future big offensive last summer, our strategists even thought through such a thing in advance – the mass training of special forces. So that when the time comes, put them into action. Our guys are now increasing pressure on the enemy by all possible means, and we see the results along the entire front line.

DRG typically means “Diversion Reconnaissance Group”. A long-range reconnaissance/infiltrator/sabotage unit.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 1 2024 21:44 utc | 153

Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 1 2024 11:13 utc | 110
As the law stands on receiving Russian citizenship, males in the age range for military service have to register. Many don’t and it’s proposed to amend the law to revoke citizenship for those who do not register. There is another proposal that new citizens serve two years of conscription rather than the current one year.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 1 2024 11:19 utc | 111
It doesn’t cover temporary residents or permanent residents (who have the same rights as citizens except for voting and military service).
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 1 2024 11:28 utc | 113
No, female citizens in the medical and dental professions, certain IT professionals, all have to register and receive their military tickets.
Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2024 12:53 utc | 120
Registration will be the precondition for citizenship, and a further proposal is if conscripted it will be for two years and not the current one.

Posted by: Peter Williams | Aug 1 2024 21:45 utc | 154

If I am right – time is running short for Russia to achieve its stated war aims.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 1 2024 11:27 utc | 112
You are wrong.
So that your conclusion is worth nothing.
Of course the supporters of the ukronazis are glued to the territory when people defending that territory are killed at an accelerated rate. Until the last Ukrainian. And what will happen next?
By the way, I know someone who predicted that the Russian Army will have to leave after October. Main reason: no more tank available. Let us wait October. LOL.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 1 2024 22:17 utc | 155

Lev Davidovich | Aug 1 2024 18:49 utc | 150
I have to laugh a bit at the username the clown chose. When it comes to war with Russia, he/she/it chose the name of a loser.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 22:28 utc | 156

If I am right – time is running short for Russia to achieve its stated war aims.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 1 2024 11:27 utc | 112
How so? Seems to me you’re talking fookin bullshit.
NO FREE DRINKS AT THE BAR FOR JULIAN.
Serves ya right!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 1 2024 22:55 utc | 157

Napoleon
“ call their enemy Nazis — it’s so cliched.”
Yes we know all about Godwin’s law, whoever casts the first Hitler Ricky Mayal / goosestepping Fawlty Towers analogy loses the argument. Chortle chortle chuff chuff.
Except that’s decades past its sell by date, may have been true in the 1970s but now the Nazis are back and are for real. Never went away. Ever read the history of Klaus Barbie? Eponymous dolls probably named after him.
-most notorious Nazi child torturer of WW2 hunting down Resistance in south of France
-Recruited by CIA, shielded from prosecution, becomes almost head of CIA, by 1970s is installed as practical ruler of Bolivia by CIA in collaboration with drug barons, USA’s problems with S America cartels all trace back to uncle Klaus. SantaKlaus never renounced his Nazi belief and even tried to revive it in S America, CIA quite happy with that.
I could go on about Werner Von Braun who worked to death (how do you even do that???) tens of thousands of Slavic slaves (ever wondered why those two words are similar?) building the Nazis V1/V2 rockets. He is rewarded with even more stratospheric status by the USA, could have become US president. Thousands of other WW2 Nazis were given safe haven in the USA.
Not to mention the entire surviving Ukrainian Galicia division of the SS who were settled in Britain – maybe some in Canada. Britain hushed it up. Why be ashamed of their dear Ukrainian guests? Even just a decade ago a documentary on the Galicia SS division In Britain was cancelled just before airing by the BBC or channel4.
If the west (US and following conga) are not Nazi, why are they irresistibly attracted to Nazis wherever they appear? Ukraine and Israel and the two most extreme supremacist right wing regimes on earth, the west is in bed with both. Coincidence?
https://youtu.be/hY80x1e7Ekw?si=OqmFa1EXHSwsJAXf

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 1 2024 23:15 utc | 158

Winter is coming.
With the damage to the Ukr power grid, they’re already having issues trying to keep refrigerated foods. Many (if not all) of the TTPs that have been damaged used to supply steam for district heating. All of those formerly supplied buildings are going to need heating from another source. Easiest to implement would be electric heat. Hard decisions will have to be made on how to distribute what precious little supplies remain while adding all of that extra heating demand. Even if the war stopped today, I would not want to be in what remains of Ukr in 4-5 months.
Ukr officials are on record it’s going to take year+ to repair the damage that has been inflicted since Apr 1st. Even trying to build more transmission lines to import from neighbors is going to take time. And it seems that Ukr wants to deny oil transit from RU to countries supplying them electricity. In the end they only harm themselves.
Put yourself in the shoes of one of the unfortunate souls on the front line. Sure, you’re trying to defend your homeland. But when the .gov fails to provide the basic necessities (heat) to your loved ones, are you going to stand your post? Or are you going to find a way to go and protect/provide for those that you love directly?
This whole, “oh they only took 0.02%” and trying to project that same rate into the future is BS. Conditions are going to change. Surely as day turns into night.
Winter is coming.

Posted by: varnel | Aug 1 2024 23:32 utc | 159

OTOH, should RU shut the lights off completely, even if none of the strikes landed anywhere near Ukr’s nuke plants, it would be interpreted by the west as an attack on the safety of those.
Rock meet hard place.

Posted by: varnel | Aug 1 2024 23:35 utc | 160

War mapper, on X, says that July was a .03% month for Russia. Better than I expected.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2024 23:43 utc | 161

varnel | Aug 1 2024 23:32 utc | 159
From what I understand, much of the central heating is coal fired and I thought separate to power stations. But it needs electric pumps going to circulate the hot water. Not the sort of thing that can be fired up and then shut down each day.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 23:54 utc | 162

Trolls are stupid per definition. But here we have the emperor of the trolls!
So many stupidities like cutting Ukraine in two with a few thousands soldiers, or blathering about the numbers of kia when mobilisation is currently 30’000/month and ukronazis officials whining that it is not enough to hold.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 1 2024 23:59 utc | 163

Posted by: varnel | Aug 1 2024 23:35 utc | 160
##############
Do you really believe that the NATO powers needs a casus belli before they will escalate further?
This will be hard for the secular materialists in the bar to understand. Putin (as with several Islamic nations) is constrained morally. A concept that is alien to the degenerate West. What moral absolutes do the Americans, British, or Germans follow? What one thing will they ABSOLUTELY not do? Is there anyone they won’t kill, is there any method of death and destruction they will not commit?
We already know the Yankees will nuke. We know all of the West has been working aggressively on biowarfare.
The idea that they follow rules or fear divine judgment is naive and delusional.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 0:00 utc | 164

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 1 2024 23:15 utc | 158
Laurent Brayart published a list of 170 nazi bataillons (azov, aidar, donbas, kraken, carpathian sich, c15, etc.). But is is cliché, of course. Like their war crimes, of course.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 2 2024 0:06 utc | 165

Winter is coming.
Posted by: varnel | Aug 1 2024 23:32 utc | 159
Well, it will easier to keep refrigerated food.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 2 2024 0:06 utc | 166

Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 17:39 utc | 145
Russian Federation is doing so badly in Ukraine that USistan had to have Israel recreate Reagan killing Qaddafi’s 7 year old daughter on the hostage negotiator in Tehran! And leak it was done by F-35s!
Russian Federation is doing so badly in Ukraine that USistan accused Venezuela of running an election with cheating like put Biden in the deep swamp seat!
Next the USistan economy will crater to change the subject of Russian Federation is doing so badly in Ukraine.

Posted by: paddy | Aug 2 2024 0:11 utc | 167

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 23:54 utc | 162
I highly doubt that. Even here in the US there is instances of district heating (tho much more rare), but it’s always a byproduct of something else. Never have I heard of facilities being built solely for this purpose.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 0:00 utc | 164
I agree, but they need a good reason to sell it to their populace. The reason may be 100% contrived, but there has to be something to spin in the first place.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 2 2024 0:06 utc | 166
Frozen foods perhaps. Not everything that needs refrigeration can be frozen.

Posted by: varnel | Aug 2 2024 0:13 utc | 168

I have to laugh a bit at the username the clown chose. When it comes to war with Russia, he/she/it chose the name of a loser.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 22:28 utc | 156
Yep. Explanation:
But why did this choice to be Napoleon impose itself on psychotics?
The acute Napoleonite
[..] It is obvious that sinking into the skin of a normal person has no interest in itself. However, the journey of this self-made man, a small captain born into a poor family who achieves absolute power and holds the whole of Europe under his boot, is fascinating: his hybris allows the newcomer to access this same madness of grandeur. It is tempting to impersonate a usurper. The one who assumes the character of Napoleon can thus exempt himself from any social control and becomes invulnerable.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 2 2024 0:18 utc | 169

Posted by: varnel | Aug 2 2024 0:13 utc | 168
Actually, I’m wrong. They used to do these things (building steam distributed heat plants), but it was all 100ish years ago, all coal fired.
With the Green New Deal and the war on coal, any that survived the modernization of the grid back in the 50s are gone by now.

Posted by: varnel | Aug 2 2024 0:19 utc | 170

It looks as if the difference between Napoleon I of France and our Napoleon is that our Napoleon just can’t get enough of whatever punishment was dished out to his eponymous hero at Waterloo.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 2 2024 0:22 utc | 171

🇫🇷👉🇲🇱🏴‍☠️ Malian terrorists were trained in Ukraine, writes the French newspaper Le Monde.
The publication notes, citing sources, that we are talking about representatives of the CSP-DPA alliance of armed groups. According to them, the Ukrainian special services trained the Malians in handling small homemade UAVs equipped with explosives.
A senior member of the movement told the newspaper that the militants exchanged information with the Ukrainian side about “the capabilities and methods of operation of the 🇷🇺🎻Wagner PMC.” At the same time, some of the CSP-DPA did not like the fact that the GUR spoke openly about their cooperation, Le Monde points out.
▪️Earlier it turned out that the photo of Tuaregs with the Ukrainian flag published by the Kyiv Post is very similar to footage from an old video. And it was presented as having been made immediately after the attack on the Wagner PMC.
“>https://t.me/ZandVchannel/122725?single

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 2 2024 1:02 utc | 172

@ Richard L | Aug 2 2024 1:02 utc | 172
The ironic part of the whole “Touaregs’ were trained to use drones by ukrops” narrative push is, of course, that there is no evidence the Touaregs used those in those battles or even have any drones at all throughout all videos they’ve released. Not to mention the order of media coverage, with SBU “taking credit” only some time after the event perforated through most media. After all, it is hard to take credit for something before knowing it has happened in the first place from Russian media, like everybody else.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 2 2024 1:13 utc | 173

Winter is coming on the heals of the Russian White Walkers………..note to Volo as he vacations in Haifa or Miami Beach is his palatial waterfront estates……….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 2 2024 1:20 utc | 174

What happened to the guy who used to post good info from Telegram? Seemed mildly Russpophilic, but very even toned and mostly just contributing content (which I value). I forget his name, Deepsouth maybe? They were pretty long posts with bulleted information. Did we lose him, during the bartender interregnum?

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 2 2024 1:26 utc | 175

Unimperator –
‘What actually could be going on is there are two ‘peace talks’. The real peace talk is between US and Russia intelligence heads like Naryshkin and Burns, who make the real conditions.’
Russia is in the position to accept unconditional surrender, ie a ‘my way or the highway’ agreement.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Aug 2 2024 3:48 utc | 176

Did we lose him, during the bartender interregnum?
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 2 2024 1:26 utc | 175

Why does he matter if he is only a 0.001 of the bar readership?

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 2 2024 4:17 utc | 177

I agree, but they need a good reason to sell it to their populace. The reason may be 100% contrived, but there has to be something to spin in the first place.
Posted by: varnel | Aug 2 2024 0:13 utc | 168
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They don’t care. The masses are so dumbed-down and gullible.
They just tried to kill Trump and forced a sitting President to drop out of re-election in the space of 14 days and people just eat it up. Like the Germans bent over and dropped their lederhosen over Nordstream.
The delusion that they care what you think and that you can do anything about any decision they make means you’re in prison and won’t acknowledge that you’re surrounded by steel bars. “Thank you, sir, may I have another?”
Hey, if that is what gets you through the day, more power to you. But it is not reality, and it is NOT what is happening. These people will kill anyone, blow up anything, commit any atrocity, and know that blowback will peter out in weeks if not days.
Thankfully, most of us are dilettantes on the internet and it is unlikely that many of us will be black-bagged or black-balled anytime soon. We can avert our eyes and pretend that laws matter, that good guys will arrive to save the day, etc. Whatever cope we can dream of.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 4:27 utc | 178

Why does he matter if he is only a 0.001 of the bar readership?
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 2 2024 4:17 utc | 177
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Unlike meny, he contributed information, that many at the bar do not.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 4:32 utc | 179

…he contributed information, that many at the bar do not.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 4:32 utc | 179

It’s obvious, sorry, I was just teasing Anonimous who measures everything in decimal points.
Should have used /s

Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 2 2024 4:52 utc | 180

It’s obvious, sorry, I was just teasing Anonimous who measures everything in decimal points.
Should have used /s
Posted by: Poslan1 | Aug 2 2024 4:52 utc | 180
It was obvious to me and quite funny.

Posted by: Bearish Panda | Aug 2 2024 5:34 utc | 181

The greatest warrior and “all around great guy” lasted about a month
prinevillereview.com/former-oregon-guardsman-from-central-oregon-killed-in-ukraine/

Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2024 6:48 utc | 182

We already know the Yankees will nuke. We know all of the West has been working aggressively on biowarfare.
The idea that they follow rules or fear divine judgment is naive and delusional.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 0:00 utc | 164
I agree. But, is it clever to be morally restrained in war wiith psychopaths?
The west will nuke, the west has no restraints, that is so obvious.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 2 2024 7:20 utc | 183

The RF Armed Forces knocked the enemy out of Vesele and advanced around Progress
map:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/132065

Posted by: guest | Aug 2 2024 8:37 utc | 184

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 2 2024 1:26 utc | 175
I’m still here. Never left. Just been reading the threads.
Didn’t contribute because the front hasn’t moved much and the information was often times contradictory. Then a town was “taken“ and then it wasn’t . Then it was “taken” but only 20% or just the outskirts. Fog of war I guess. But things seem to have cleared up and I think a lot is going to happen before year end.
Will start posting updates on a new thread.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 8:45 utc | 185

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2024 6:16 utc | 88
Why do you not OCD on total UKrain electrical energy supply? Or levels of national debt? Allotted training time for soldiers? UKrain GDP? Declining manpower pool? NATO countries public sentiment polls? EU economic forecasts? Possible USA November election results? Percentage of remaining planes, tanks, APC, artillery vs. what UKrain had originally plus supplied? Natural gas/petroleum usage and storage levels? Ratio of UKrain vs. Russian soldiers on LOC? Drone production? Improvements or declines in ISR? Tonnage of explosives?
Any single metric listed above, and others I can not presently think of, are more indicative of how the NATO/UKrain vs. China/Russia war is proceeding than territorial gain. Nothing personal, but your obsession seems trollish or doltish.
The USa has hurt Russia, but their intention was to overthrow PUtin admin, and that has been a neocon failure (so far). The war has been one means to that end.
The Russians have been careful not to overextend their necks, or their reach (territory metaphor). Prudent considering the consequences of a mistake, in line with a geo-chess mentality.

Posted by: jopalolive | Aug 2 2024 9:05 utc | 186

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2024 4:27 utc | 178
I don’t think they are ‘just eating it up’, they are aware that reacting to obvious provocations just advances the agenda of their occupational government and its jackboot presses down on their neck a few more millimetres. People are waiting for the right moment, timing their strike, so to speak. Is it the majority, no, is it a growing minority, yes. Revolutions are largely driven by the minority of the pro-active population, who then drag the others along. The pool of those pro-active citizens is small, but if it grows the tipping point, between action and in-action, is more likely to be reached.
In the US, an administrative coup, on the sitting President (himself installed by a soft coup) and a government sponsored assassination attempt of its political rival and existential threat, following a corrupt series of legal assaults, are driving the two politically pro-active sections of citizenry together. They aren’t in an official alliance, though Democrat crossovers are increasing, but both their end games are merging. Both Democrats and Republicans feel betrayed, both see Nov 2024 as a way of wresting back, even partially, their parties and dealing the enablers of the current situation a good kick in the balls.
The situation here in the UK is beginning to follow the same dynamic, with an incompetent puppet government trying to blame all its recent woes on, extreme right-wing thugs’, sounds familiar?

Posted by: Milites | Aug 2 2024 10:02 utc | 187

Another interesting development, Hungary/Slovakia have been fighting Ukraine over Lukoil crude deliveries for their refineries. So far Ukraine is denying transfers. If Hungary stops delivering electrical energy in return expect some more rifts in the EU and a cold winter in Ukraine. Hungary also delivers diesel fuel from those refineries so not exactly win/win. Lastly, Hungary probably expects to be paid in real money too.

Posted by: SOS | Aug 2 2024 10:06 utc | 188

that call their enemy Nazis — it’s so cliched.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 1 2024 17:01 utc | 141
Yes but it’s so much quicker to spell that “Ukrainian nationalist”, “glorified football hooligan” or “fascist twat”

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 2 2024 11:02 utc | 189

I’m still here. Never left. Just been reading the threads.
Didn’t contribute because the front hasn’t moved much and the information was often times contradictory. Then a town was “taken“ and then it wasn’t . Then it was “taken” but only 20% or just the outskirts. Fog of war I guess. But things seem to have cleared up and I think a lot is going to happen before year end.
Will start posting updates on a new thread.
Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 8:45 utc | 185
Glad to see you back. Taking the occasion to also say I’m glad B seems better (as he’s opening more threads and I assume he is getting back to his old self), B, heal well and fully
One thing you mention is a reduced/confused situation on towns, but what I find more interesting are the tendrils extending beyond that, some examples.
1. When Advivka fell I thought the AFU would try to stop the RF advance in an almost vertical line in Prohres, but the advance has already passed that particular town and can extend strongly
2. From Solodke RF is already controlling some major logistic lines and seems to be on the move for more
3. It’s bizarre how after retaking Robotyne things seem so calm there, no tendrils to speak of
I know it’s a bit fluid but your comments would be most welcome

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 11:55 utc | 190

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 11:55 utc | 190

The latest offensive at the expense of the Ukrainians or an attempt by the Office of the President to save the situation at the cost of thousands of lives of ordinary military personnel.
On Bankova they decided to use manpower to carry out an autumn counter-offensive and try to return the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to sign a peace treaty on this wave.
For Zelensky, the offensive is the last chance to stay in power, and this requires a strong trigger, which is why Donbass is not the main direction now.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/23738

Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 13:10 utc | 191

From what I understand, much of the central heating is coal fired and I thought separate to power stations. But it needs electric pumps going to circulate the hot water. Not the sort of thing that can be fired up and then shut down each day.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 1 2024 23:54 utc | 162
Thermal generation produces ‘waste’ heat. Some cities, including where I used to live, pipe that steam underground to heat buildings in the area around the plant.

Posted by: Mike R | Aug 2 2024 13:20 utc | 192

Another interesting development, Hungary/Slovakia have been fighting Ukraine over Lukoil crude deliveries for their refineries. So far Ukraine is denying transfers. If Hungary stops delivering electrical energy in return expect some more rifts in the EU and a cold winter in Ukraine. Hungary also delivers diesel fuel from those refineries so not exactly win/win.
Posted by: SOS | Aug 2 2024 10:06 utc | 188
Exactly. And EC simply said that they should find other oil sources, the Ukr oil transit block is ok to them, it fits the sanctions for Russia. It’ll be even funnier with the next package of sanctions where EU wants to block fish trade.
Now the result of this depends on how much Hungary and Slovakia need the diesel and electricity money. I assume they get paid, but it’s not impossible they give it for free if Ursula says so. Also if they stop diesel, EU might punish them and take some of their EU money. So they will probably do nothing, they will have to buy oil from an approved seller at an EU approved price, they can’t simply buy what they want. And they can’t escape EU either, they have no access

Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2024 13:29 utc | 193

The latest offensive at the expense of the Ukrainians or an attempt by the Office of the President to save the situation at the cost of thousands of lives of ordinary military personnel.
On Bankova they decided to use manpower to carry out an autumn counter-offensive and try to return the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to sign a peace treaty on this wave.
For Zelensky, the offensive is the last chance to stay in power, and this requires a strong trigger, which is why Donbass is not the main direction now.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/23738
Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 13:10 utc | 191
Thanks, think that its best to clarify for others that Bankova is the presidential palace aka Z.
But how could they go for the Zaporozhye nuclear plant?
Landwise it would be much deeper than they achieved in their full offensive.
Riverwise thought they had learned their lesson in Krynky…
Operation Overlor… overboard? 😀
Not mocking you, nor your source, but I don’t see how Z could pull anything like that. Any ideas?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:30 utc | 194

“On Bankova they decided to use manpower to carry out an autumn counter-offensive and try to return the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in order to sign a peace treaty on this wave.”
Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 13:10 utc | 191
So rezident_ua thinks Russia will lose ZNPP, for sure, and then Russia will either surrender or start bombing Ukr and/or nato, and that will attract more nato in Ukr.
It’s fascinating the level of retard found in these people. If they do it, there are so many options other than those two, it won’t be in their interest to discover.
rezident_ua should be called rezident_uk to match the iq level. But I do hope Zeli tries something big, if you know what I mean. Last night he dropped cluster atacms again on Crimea but this time it was intercepted and did not explode, the balls still need to be collected

Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2024 13:43 utc | 195

Not mocking you, nor your source, but I don’t see how Z could pull anything like that. Any ideas?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2024 13:30 utc | 194

Our source in the General Staff confirmed the information that Syrsky agreed to carry out the main counter-offensive on Energodar in order to return the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant under control.
The main blow will be concentrated on Belozerka in order to force the Russian army to leave Energodar. An additional attack is being prepared on Kamyanka-Dneprovskaya through a dried-up reservoir in order to stretch the enemy’s forces.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/23716

Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 13:48 utc | 196

But I do hope Zeli tries something big, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2024 13:43 utc | 195

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky is preparing the last counter-offensive, which should allow Ukraine to enter the negotiation track as the winner. For this purpose, new brigades and reserves with Western military equipment are being formed.
Now the General Staff, together with NATO military advisers, is preparing two operations, one diversionary in the Kharkov direction and the main one at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
Eight brigades have already been formed, which are undergoing training in Western Ukraine and are waiting for F-16 fighters to launch the autumn counter-offensive.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/23713

Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 13:52 utc | 197

Colleagues, the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Energodar is one of the 2024 offensive plans developed at Zelensky’s headquarters.
Our source provided information about this back on June 8th.
Of course, Bankovaya will try to gain control of nuclear power at the time of the energy crisis, but this will not be easy.
The Russians will be able to defend the nuclear power plant with a force of two thousand, of course, this will cause a huge noise in the world, since the risk of an accident will be high and each side will begin to blame the other.
The next 100 days will most likely be decisive in many ways.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18444

Posted by: Down South | Aug 2 2024 13:58 utc | 198

rybar map upates
Pokrovsky direction: the liberation of most of Timofeevka and the successes of the RF Armed Forces on the southern flank of the “Pokrovsky salient”
The situation as of 13.00 on August 2, 2024
https://t.me/rybar/62369
South Donetsk direction: capture by the RF Armed Forces of a section of the T-05-24 highway southwest of Konstantinovka
The situation as of 15:00 on August 2, 2024
https://t.me/rybar/62373

Posted by: updates | Aug 2 2024 14:18 utc | 199

Eight brigades have already been formed, which are undergoing training in Western Ukraine and are waiting for F-16 fighters to launch the autumn counter-offensive.

That’s just military malpractice … Surely they know the Russians have a reserve of 90,000 just sitting there waiting to go into action in that direction.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 2 2024 14:35 utc | 200