Ukraine Open Thread 2024-178
News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...
Posted by b on July 28, 2024 at 16:36 UTC | Permalink
next page »Posted by: robjira | Jul 28 2024 17:05 utc | 1
It's this kind of self delusion that will get the US into serious trouble a lot sooner than it expects.
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This is why Black-Asian American Kamala Harris will be a better President than Trump. She may be able to stop it after getting rid of Blinken and Sullivan.
Posted by: AI | Jul 28 2024 17:21 utc | 2
Drone Warfare
Russian Armed Forces began intercepting images from APU drones
The Russian military has begun intercepting video signals from AFU drones, which allows them to identify enemy routes and the location of drone operators.
This was announced by the former commander of the communications unit in the special operation zone with the call sign Kalina, who is now engaged in the design of drones, reports TASS.
"They really intercept video signals and use them for their own purposes: they identify enemy routes, track the movement of drones and can determine the location of the operator," he said.
Earlier it was reported that in an hour over the Bryansk region, the Russian Armed Forces destroyed 12 UAVs.
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/07/nima-and-scott.html#comment-6514423760
Posted by: larchpost | Jul 28 2024 17:23 utc | 3
robjira-
You can't possibly be serious? I find it very difficult to believe that any functional adult would actually believe that kackling kamala would in any way, shape, or form actually be anything other than another puppet of the deep state cabal which actually runs the empire.
Posted by: Robert Hope | Jul 28 2024 17:38 utc | 4
Unprepared Ukrainian conscript don't want to fight, they are tired and want to go home.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 28 2024 17:46 utc | 5
Looks like the Donbass front is really starting to collapse, with Russian troops making excellent progress towards the transport hub Pokrovsk (now less than 10km away), finishing off Krasnohorivka, making more progress in Toretsk, and crossing the waterway at Chasov Yar to begin the final assault. Each day there are more and more updates of Russian advances.
Within a month we could see the assault start on Pokrovsk and Ugledar, the fall of New York/Toretsk and Chasov Yar. September and October before the rains set in could then be very eventful.
Thanks for the Hudson interview, psycho. There are many astute posters here and at other truth friendly sites, but they always seem to neglect the global economic overview. Hudson is the cure to that problem. Should be taught in every high school.
This bit is important. He also puts emphasis on history, which is also lacking in many intelligent western's posts:
"If you look back to the late 19th century’s flowing of classical political economy, not only by Marx but by political parties across the political spectrum, we can see that there was going to be socialism of one kind or another.
What kind of socialism is it going to be? There was Christian socialism, libertarian socialism, Marxian socialism and other kinds of socialism. This classical literature and political debate was rich, but it came to an end with World War I. That was a disastrous turning point in Western civilization."
Ultimately, he concludes that ROW is being forced to develop it's own alternative system. He says this a lot, but I always wonder: what does the western worker do in this scenario? Just accept the oligarchical dominance that is ruining their lives just as surely as it it's the lives of the ROW? That can't be the implication. Ultimately, the complement to this analysis is for the western majority of working people to struggle, to death if needed, to oust the Imperialist government with a class based civil war.
This will be cheered by the workers of the ROW because of it were successful it would establish the basis for a new economic perspective that focuses the power of the commanding heights on resolving the social needs to its work force, not the billionaire oligarchs.
I like Hudson, but there needs to be more focus on building such a movement within the west. Otherwise, his analysis suggests nothing to western workers, but sitting around and rooting for China/Russia to come save us. I support Brics as a more sane alternative to the west, but the wage slaves of the west need their own plan for liberation too.
And again the time is right. Western governments have never been less popular, as Hudson points out.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 28 2024 18:20 utc | 7
Within a month we could see the assault start on Pokrovsk and Ugledar
Posted by: Roger | Jul 28 2024 18:18 utc | 6
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I think things are moving faster. Ukraine is hanging by a thread.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 28 2024 18:25 utc | 8
Posted by: Robert Hope | Jul 28 2024 17:38 utc | 4
I fully agree with you. It is just stupid pre-election posturing. Kamala Devi Harris is pure Indian-Caribbean.
Her father's family was a slave trader, and he walked out soon after her Indian mother gave birth to her (not much different from Barrack Hussain Obama).
So bullshit! She will make Asia pivot even bigger than the biggest warmonger obummer. There is only one hindrance in Russia-China relations, and that is India.
She will most definitely sabotage that relationship. Remember she is Indian first, raised by an Indian mother.
Peace and sanity to everyone.
Posted by: victor | Jul 28 2024 18:59 utc | 9
Robert Hope | Jul 28 2024 17:38 utc | 4
I think you've mistaken the #2 comment for mine.
Posted by: robjira | Jul 28 2024 19:15 utc | 10
Posted by: victor | Jul 28 2024 18:59 utc | 9
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The issue that half-breeds face (I am one), is that we don't truly belong to either community.
Indians no more regard Kamala as Indian than Blacks regard her as African.
The biggest mistake anyone can me when appealing to the public is to pretend to be something that they are not. Sincerity is compelling. For all of Trump's voluminous character flaws, he's played who he is. He hasn't tried to be intellectual or refined. He hasn't tried to play the sophisticate. He's a boor, and that is a lot of his attraction to laymen. They see a boor who is unashamed to be a boor and while they may not love it, they know what they can expect from him. So they feel safe with the boor they know than the person they suspect is trying to pull a fast one (Romney is a good example of this).
They are going to put on an impressive media gaslighting push where we're supposed to ignore how incompetent Kamala is, and that she failed as Border Czar, that there is nothing the Biden admin did that she played a substantial role in. We will be told how smart she is, how Indian she is, how black she is, how Jewish she is, how noble she is.
And it probably will work because the Democrats have an unassailable ballot machine that could elect a ham sandwich as President of the United States, and the media will laud certify it through relentless acclimation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 19:27 utc | 11
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 19:27 utc | 11
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The biggest mistake anyone can make when appealing to the public ...
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 19:29 utc | 12
Why is it that whenever you try to discuss anything online Americans hijack the discussion to Trump vs whoever. It's for the most part irrelevant ... Trump isn't your savior and neither is Harris ... China won. Don't feel downhearted though ... did you really think the 250 year old anglo-american empire could get the best of the country that's dominated the worlds economy for over 2000 years? While the USA was trying to get rich as the worlds banker the Chinese bought control of the worlds supply chains so even if you tariff the fuck out of China and build factories in the USA China's going to be the ones making money because they control the supply chains.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 28 2024 19:32 utc | 13
Sladkov (his connection in Kharkov, in fact) is summarizing the Kharkov oblast events for us:
“Adequate Kharkovite”, Belgorod region and Kharkov region, July 28, 2024:1. Unprecedented activity of our Air Force, namely front-line and army aviation, the sky is crowded, explosions in Liptsy and Volchansk.
2. The enemy is attacking the Belgorod region, we shoot down up to ten aircraft-type drones every day.
3. Today at 14:05 the missile warning signal went off in Belgorod. They beat him "khimarchmi" / himars. From a forest area east of Kharkov. We shot down two missiles.
4. Liptsy. Even the Ukrainian Armed Forces recognize our attacking activity.
The enemy continues to transfer reserves there, we hit them with artillery.5. Fierce fighting is taking place in Volchansk. The city is destroyed. We have not captured the city, the enemy is holding out, transferring reserves to Volchansk.
6. Kupyansk. There are battles going on. We cut the enemy's bridgehead into two parts. This is a classic.
7. Conclusion within a week. Counterattacks will continue. We are considering the option of aggravation, under our initiative.
Posted by: Boo | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 14
Congratulations barflies. It looks like Russia might take Nui York by summer's end!
"Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don't mind the maggots." ~ Mick Jagger
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 15
“Blah blah blah muh territory.”
Please, barflies, don’t bother. It’s been discussed. You have better things to do.
Posted by: despondent | Jul 28 2024 19:41 utc | 16
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 15
Moron, you think things are only happening in new york? Is that even that important at the moment?
Posted by: Boo | Jul 28 2024 19:41 utc | 17
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 28 2024 18:20 utc | 7
"...the complement to this analysis is for the western majority of working people to struggle, to death if needed, to oust the Imperialist government with a class based civil war."
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And a majority of working-class people would or should drop everything, sacrifice their homes and livelihoods, endanger themselves, their children, and all other relatives because...they suddenly see The Bright Light of Class Struggle and recognize The Evil of the Imperialist Government which is also the government that provides a lot of tangible benefits and protection to those who live there???
I don't think so. I don't believe people seek more chaos and disruption in their lives. I believe they want as much stability and security as they can get. And I believe that revolutions do not happen unless social conditions become so terrible that civil war is no worse than the status quo. And I don't believe that is something that normal people will wish to fall upon their own heads.
If a revolution comes, and it may, it will come on its own. At the time when things fall by their own weight.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Jul 28 2024 19:43 utc | 18
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 28 2024 18:20 utc | 7
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Well said.
Russia, Iran and China are helping to shape the US narrative by prevailing in Ukraine and Gaza.
The US is spending billions on these wars to support its predatory elitest based capitalism while many domestic problems fester.
As these domestic problems intensify due to loss of US military and economic dominance more people should be able to see the benefits of spending this money more productively on social programs to benefit the majority.
Posted by: financial matters | Jul 28 2024 19:52 utc | 19
napoleon is not the same since he lost profoundly against the russians.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 28 2024 19:58 utc | 20
@6 roger
Re: within a month...
It's all quite possible. I think toretsk will still be getting ground down in a month, by ukraine is clearly preparing to dig in around povrosk, they've built fortifications all around it, not just the east. They're planning a fight to the death like mariuopal.
Chasiv yar will be in the middle in a month, with tendrils poking forward to artillery and drone range for kramatorak/sloviansk.
Also kupyiansk will be properly seiged with the now typical targeting of individual buildings as targets are spotted. It's a slow methodical process so don't get hung up on "momentum" being maintained. It's not part of the program.
Demilitarization = killing everyone who will fight. But it takes time people are hard to kill.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 28 2024 20:03 utc | 21
@Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 28 2024 20:03 utc | 21
The difference with Mariupol is that all of the hardened and committed Ukrainian fighters have been killed, severely wounded or are just suffering from 2.5 years of continuous engagement. Most of the troops are now of the press-ganged and hastily trained variety. With little more than light weapons, drones and "technicals" (trucks with machine guns on the back) and a rapidly diminishing artillery. Also, doesn't look like Pokrovsk has the same heavy industrial plants that Mariupol and Avdeevka had.
Pokrovsk is also much smaller than Mariupol, a population of only 60,000 vs 450,000 for Mariupol. Plus, the Russians are so much stronger than in 2022, it was actually more the LPR/DPR troops that took Mariupol. There are also a lot of the reports that much of the defensive line money ended up in foreign bank accounts.
So I think that things may happen pretty quickly with respect to Pokrovsk, which sits in the lowlands so it is the Russians attacking from higher elevations into the foothills and lowlands.
I think things are moving faster. Ukraine is hanging by a thread.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 28 2024 18:25 utc | 8
Yes, while the AFU still has elite units willing to fight to the death, the situation now is devolving into one where they will wonder if Ukraine would better be served by their surviving so they can guard the integrity of the nation's traditions as it transitions towards negotiating with Russia, and then later reorganizing after a peace treaty is signed.
And given the Neo-Nazi nature of some of the elite units, they could be thinking in terms along the lines imagined in novels like the The Odessa File.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 28 2024 20:20 utc | 23
@22 Roger
Yeah that sounds correct. I just meant that they wouldn't leave the town that they would dig in and refuse to withdraw. It does sound harder to defend than mariuopal. To be honest I haven't really studied that area to calculate how that battle would progress. A lot depends on how other fronts progress I think.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 28 2024 20:24 utc | 24
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 28 2024 18:20 utc | 7
Western governments have never been less popular, as Hudson points out.
<=its not government that controls the thinking of the working man in the Western nations, but media instituted and maintained monopolistic ideology (the few are entitled to own and control all things; the masses must be obedient slaves to the few).. Most Western sheep see government as the hit man hired by the privately owned and operated oligarch-owned monopoly-power-driven mafia composed of global-corporations (the media expresses the wishes of that mafia, not the wishes of governments).
Unless the ideology is defeated, little will happen to change the media controlled dog eat dog environment in which western sheep are forced to live.
My observation is that it is much more difficult for controlled, regulated and abused populations to overpower and dispense with an ideology subscribed to by private corporate powers, than it is to toss out a tyrant government.
In the west, Governments are looked at as if they were sheep dogs helping the Shepherd (named "ideology") to tend to the herds. Everyone knows the owners of the herds of sheep are the corporations that make up the global mafia.
Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2024 20:27 utc | 25
victor | Jul 28 2024 18:59 utc | 9
She is not capable of doing any of what you suggest. She will be following the orders given her. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by: circumspect | Jul 28 2024 20:30 utc | 26
LoveDonBass@11 The claim that the real Americans love Trump because he is a boor and thus one of them is the politely phrased version of the "basket of deplorables." I say millions of ordinary Americans don't even like Trump, and that's why he never won the popular vote. All factions of the MSM have turned against Biden since Afghanistan, which favors Trump. But even that may not be enough to win him a plurality win of the vote.
The claim there is a ballot machine is shameless nonsense, somewhere between idiotic and insane. The Republican Party has control of vote counting in many states and influence in all of them plus backup in the corrupt judiciary.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc | 27
Dima:
-RU clearing Kherson islands, capturing handful of soldiers
-AFU recon attack between Rabotyne and Novopokrovka achieves nothing, AFU is trying to gather intel what RU plans in Zaporozhye direction are with large corps
-RU drone attacks on road north of Rabotyne
-RU bomb AFU 102th brigade HQ in Gulyaipole with large aerial bombs, responsible for this direction. Also second strike destroyed some AFU troops in aftermath
-SE corner on Konstanyivka relatively static, but RU bomb AFU in the village
-RUAF bomb AFU in final NW Krasnogorovka sector
-RUAF control Progress, Yevhenivka and potentially Vovche
-RU moved to north of Zhelanne along tree line
-RU control Zhelanne from the hill north
-RU also potentially has opportunity to take Vesele, W of Progress and N of Zhelanne
-Slice-and-dice could lead to RU also capturing Mezhove and Skuchne as part of the forming of the Pokrovsk front
-It would be surprising if AFU can protect towns S of Zhelanne, Zavitne, Ptyche and Kalynove as RU can easily protect their flank west using the elevated rail hill
-Some AFU are still trapped in the field/forest SE of New York, RU bomb with TOS
-RU crossed Seversky-Donets river and control some blocs eastern part of central Chasov Yar (first line of houses)
-RU have decent foothold for further move west in Chasov Yar
-RU moved west of Zaliznianske, toward Seversk, another large gap treeline
-RU attacked the forest north of Zaliznianske during AFU rotation process and bombed them
-RU expand foothold NW of Pischane
-There is basically nothing but fields for the next 15km west/NW of Pischane, mostly all the way to Seversk river so they are probably hard to hold for AFU
-RU try clearing road between Stemakhivka and Berestove
-Little change in Vovchansk
-AFU send more infantry to border village Solnytskyi Kozachok, RU keeps bombing them, supposedly AFU have lost a battalion in the last several days here
-AFU may try to hold this village to reduce potential media damage
-Ukrainians keep burning TCC cars
-F-16 arrived in Ukraine but failed to influence any event according to Washington Post
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 28 2024 20:54 utc | 28
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 28 2024 20:20 utc | 23
There are other factors at play, namely the increased professionalism of the RuAF due to the extended nature of the conflict. Two years seems to be a key time period that allows the previously disparate elements of an armed force to start to generate a powerful synchronicity that in itself is a force-multiplier. The Red Army of June 41’ was not the same creature as the one in June ‘43, and although it suffered painful setbacks it went from strength to strength.
Similarly, the rapid advances these past two weeks, establishing multiple potential axes of advance were because of a series of factors, that though present before did not happen with the same fluidity, or as the medieval commander would have said, maintenance of purpose. So, enemy armoured reinforcements are detected and destroyed before they’ve had a chance to de-train, deception operations are carefully coordinated and the real assault axis is established by effective reconnaissance. The attacking units close rapidly and continue the momentum, even after losses, ISR coordination allow opportunities for rapid exploitation and more effective fire-support.
For the Ukrainians it’s the exact opposite, the two-year rule bites in the opposite direction, and the UAF is now beginning to show the impact of two years of attrition warfare. Again, think of the German Army in June 41’ and in June 43’, it wasn’t a pushover but it had lost a lot of its abilities and it was downhill from there. Ukrainian Territorial units, that previously would delay attacks sufficiently long to establish a second defence line are swept away in days. Elite units, who consistently frustrated Russian operational breakthroughs are now, ‘in the shit’ (soldiers in the 47th brigade) after being pushed back 6km in a week, near Pokrovsk.
Things will only get better for Russia, worse for Ukraine, hence the leaks about secret talks to salvage something before the front collapses. Something both Putin and the West want to avoid.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 21:15 utc | 29
This is why Black-Asian American Kamala Harris will be a better President than Trump. She may be able to stop it after getting rid of Blinken and Sullivan.
Posted by: AI | Jul 28 2024 17:21 utc | 2
What? If she gets in, it will be more of the same old, same old - nothing will change, only will get worse.
Same if Trump gets in; same old, same old. The decisions have already been made, die is cast; West is in it to win it, of course until they lose which they will.
Posted by: drsmith | Jul 28 2024 21:15 utc | 30
Looks like RUAF bagged another M270 Himars near Toretsk.
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1817661323221623118
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 28 2024 21:36 utc | 31
I wouldnt be so optimistic.
US economx is still strong and Ukros still ready to die for weestern values.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 28 2024 21:53 utc | 32
All factions of the MSM have turned against Biden since Afghanistan,
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc | 27
Stupid.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2024 22:14 utc | 33
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc | 27
Seems like you’re trying to convince yourself, and using words like ‘idiotic’ and ‘insane’ suggests agenda pushing. Question is, which pinch hitter is Obama going to select next, when the Brat Harris campaign flames out, as it did in 2019?
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 22:19 utc | 34
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc | 27
I have to react although I refrain from non-informational discussions. But in this case if there is no pushback people (and you) will think you are correct.
I must ask you: in which alternate reality do you live? It must be “bizaro world”.
MSM favors Trump over Biden? The republicans dominate vote counting? After the orchestrated BLM riots to hide the massive money transfer, enough to sustain global inflation for a couple of years, that was needed to harvest enough ballots to tip the scales? They bought that election, you can smell the illegitimacy from far away.
Posted by: alek_a | Jul 28 2024 22:21 utc | 35
Posted by: alek_a | Jul 28 2024 22:21 utc | 35
Who becomes president is not important, because at the end it is always the jewish neocons who win.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2024 22:29 utc | 36
unimperator | Jul 28 2024 20:54 utc | 28
Re Kherson islands. 404 marines there voluntarily surrendered. I assume they were not amused at being used for cannon fodder. Even at this stage they were/are still considered an elite fighting force. It is perhaps a sign of the times.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 22:33 utc | 37
Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2024 22:29 utc | 36
I stay away from the zionist vs arab conflict because I am too far away to discern reality from fiction.
But I know that if Trump was still president, buffoon or not, things would have been different in the mid east.
Posted by: alek_a | Jul 28 2024 22:34 utc | 38
Posted by: alek_a | Jul 28 2024 22:21 utc | 35
It’s the typical tactic of projection, what they fail to realise is that it simply signals the weakness of their case. They’re so used to being supported in this behaviour by the ‘Trump-supporting media’ who are busily rewriting Harris’ resume, that resistance to their fictions comes as a bit of a shock.
I think the UXB in this election is the growing evidence that the SS were either complicit or wilfully negligent in the attempted assassination of Trump which, if proved, will have seismic repercussions around the world.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 22:40 utc | 39
Re those marine on the Kherson island that surrendered. Most prisoners after being captured have heads down and so forth. They look beaten. Those marines did not. The one I saw stood straight when speaking as did the others. It was very much a contrast to previous videos I had seen. These were still very much fighting men.
My guess is, decent men who would no longer fight for a very corrupt leadership.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 22:41 utc | 40
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 22:41 utc | 40
Marines behave like marines, whatever nationality, same as paratroops. I hope the Russians treat them well and explain how they were sacrificed for a PR stunt.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 22:49 utc | 41
Russia's Battlegroup Center liberates two communitiesin DPR over past day.
The facist coup is fast slipping under the waves...
Posted by: donten | Jul 28 2024 22:49 utc | 42
I hope the Russians treat them well and explain how they were sacrificed for a PR stunt.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 22:49 utc | 41
From what I have seen in the past, I assume that will be the case.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 22:55 utc | 43
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc | 27
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The popular vote may have meant something once. Now with the sheer volume of ballots the Democrats flood the system with, it is impossible to measure popularity by ballot counts.
Obama set a popular vote record in '08. Trump beat it in '16. Obama and Trump had genuine grassroots enthusiasm during their campaigns.
Biden beat that in '20 by barely campaigning, and without any popular support even online. His live streams wouldn't have 200 viewers when he had a campaign event. A few months before the election 300 people wouldn't watch a Biden livestream during COVID when they couldn't leave their homes.
Because people don't know who she is, and she has accomplished so little, I think it is safe to say that Harris will beat Biden's record in '24.
The idea of democracy is stupid anyway. Everything stupid eventually collapses under the exploitation of its weaknesses. Humans are great at breaking things.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 23:02 utc | 44
LoveDonbass writes: “ The issue that half-breeds face (I am one), is that we don't truly belong to either community. Indians no more regard Kamala as Indian than Blacks regard her as African.”
Blacks had no problem with the half-blackness of Barack Obama. They’ll probably go for Kamala as well; she’s “high yellow” enough.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 28 2024 23:11 utc | 45
OK folks! OK!
The SMO is going so well that tonight drinks are free at the bar folks!
ENJOY!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2024 23:37 utc | 46
So now we have Mali. Seems Ukraine is training militants to fight Wagner. A full proxy war with head to head battles there. Who knew special forces from Ukraine had the reach to go to Gaza and other places around the world
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 28 2024 23:44 utc | 47
But I know that if Trump was still president, buffoon or not, things would have been different in the mid east.
Posted by: alek_a | Jul 28 2024 22:34 utc | 38
Yes, I agree, the judeonazis would have received full support for their genocide.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 29 2024 0:02 utc | 48
OK folks! OK!
The SMO is going so well that tonight drinks are free at the bar folks!
ENJOY!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2024 23:37 utc | 46
Drambuie for me, iskander for the gentlemen with a nato leaning.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 29 2024 0:12 utc | 49
OK folks! OK!
The SMO is going so well that tonight drinks are free at the bar folks!
ENJOY!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 28 2024 23:37 utc | 46
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Thanks, but I’ll stick to sparkling water until the election results in Venezuela are more or less final!
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 0:44 utc | 50
How many hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian women have been made widows, even more hundreds of thousands of children (and older parents) have lost their sons??!!Insane massive mess in Ukraine, thanks to the Zionist controlled western MIC - who apparently use endless wars & big lies to keep the people of the world divided, disturbed & distracted from the presence of the Zionist ruling elite & their chief servants of AIPAC & US/Israeli government. What a mess!! And what about all those biolabs? Biden's regime, like Hitler's regime, seems to imagine that they are above the law & will never be prosecuted for their big lies & massive crimes against humanity.
..."The Euro puppets are are absolutely scared because Trump is going to come and deprive them of everything that they've counted on uh throughout their political careers which is basically being able to hide behind Uncle Sam's back, doing exactly what the Americans tell them to do and not worry about anything... it's a zombie policy...a Zombie Nation they've been so brainwashed that on the on the one hand something like two-thirds of uh ukrainians want peace... on the other hand approximately two thirds ofthem want on all of their territory back... these poor ukrainians who have been brainwashed by by this this Anglo-Saxon brainwashing machine ... they'll need a lot of medical treatment a lot of Psychiatry in order to overcome these faulty ideas implanted in their brains. It'll take a long time and some of them will never recover....but but it has nothing to do with the progress of the special military operation from the Russian point.......
Ukraine would be the largest country in in the EU um not necessarily by population but by territory and by the number of problems. It is a an absolutely devastated landscape. If it joins the EU then the borders are suddenly open and uh the ukrainians will flood into the rest of [19:57] Europe.. Demanding satisfaction.They will say you sent us to the slaughter in the East knowing full well that we couldn't possibly win with your Obsolete and and useless weapons uh you uh you caused a huge number of our people to Die For No Good Reason.... ou did all that... Now it's payback time we're not going to work we're just going to Freeload. So how good is that going to be for the European Union?....-Dmitry Orlov
Israel's Bold Gamble: America's Middle East Dilemma, Ukraine's Fall & EU Desperate! //39 minutes// (7/28/2024)
Dialogue works: https://youtu.be/I-nqw0xo9Aw?si=a-Og7ejDSHZr8R3c===
"The first task is for Russia to win on the battlefield — then will come the punishment. War crimes have no jurisdictional boundaries & no statutes of limitations. Each war crime has a name, a rank & a serial number.
--Dmitry Orlov "War & Punishment" 6/20/24
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 23:02 utc | 44
"The idea of democracy is stupid anyway. Everything stupid eventually collapses under the exploitation of its weaknesses. Humans are great at breaking things."
It is a scam that not many have figured out yet. The simplest description of democracy is, "rule by crooks who would never get to rule otherwise"!
Democracy is a way to rule people by mechanized. They are too chicken to take any responsibility. They rule the stupid steeple through manipulation. Have you noticed that unlike other professions there are no retirement age for these chickenhawks? Have you noticed that all their friends and family live on people's money? Have you noticed that they never take responsibility for anything? It is a game of abstraction: a lot of people lived off scamming other people. Everyone is in cahoots! The politicians, the judges, the media. the Civil servents. I am surprised that we had only 3 networks and a few newspapers who lived off other people. The actors were getting 10s of millions of dollars for doing crappy jobs. These same fuckers are now working for 50K instead of 20M.
Also, in the name of evil democracy: the Israeli goons were "the only democracy in the Middle East", the biggest democracy in the world "India" is doing targeted assainations in the world.
These mechination, can be only done by manipulators, who would never get a chance to run a city, let alone a country.
Democracy is pure evil!
I hope People wake up, while there is still some hope. Russia will do well to stay away from democracy. And it's marketers. And the Western oligarchs, like the dorkburg, the moronic X owner, the Google, and all the stupid owners of marketing, who were beaten as kids for being lame in school.
I am heartened to see at least questioning it, otherwise we are going to end up like stupid French olympics opening.
Posted by: Victor | Jul 29 2024 1:07 utc | 52
I must ask you: in which alternate reality do you live? It must be “bizaro world”.
MSM favors Trump over Biden? The republicans dominate vote counting? After the orchestrated BLM riots to hide the massive money transfer, enough to sustain global inflation for a couple of years, that was needed to harvest enough ballots to tip the scales? They bought that election, you can smell the illegitimacy from far away.
Posted by: alek_a | Jul 28 2024 22:21 utc | 35
Nice reference to Sealab 2021 - I see what you did there.
Posted by: drsmith | Jul 29 2024 1:24 utc | 53
A bit off topic, but not really. AM was recently righteously bashing Boeing's epic failure in trying to reproduce an upsized version of a 1960s era Apollo capsule, leaving two test pilots stranded at the ISS for over 7 weeks. Then AM gloated about how Boeing had no option other than begging for a ride on a Soyuz. For some reason SpaceX and their huge success in making reusable orbital launch boosters routine is unmentionable on his blog ...
Anyway, SpaceX just had a 16 day stand down due to a rare upper stage failure. The problem was isolated and dealt with. This weekend saw THREE Falcon 9 launches, all successful.
"Sunday's first launch occurred at 1:09 a.m. EDT (0509), when a Falcon 9 topped with 23 Starlink satellites lifted off from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. It was the 14th mission for this Falcon 9 first stage and the 300th reflight of a SpaceX booster overall"
No one else has flown a used booster even once, much less 300 times. Much of the ex-industrial US has become a DEI rust belt, but in space lift capacity an unmatched capability has been developed, seemingly unnoticed by the public and the rest of the world. Military applications? Nah, no worries mate.
Posted by: Drifter | Jul 29 2024 1:33 utc | 54
Drifter | Jul 29 2024 1:33 utc | 54
I suspect the 300 launches is not on a single booster. There will be a number of them. No doubt there world be some extent of rebuilding after every launch so there will be whatever number used in a cycle. And like an aircraft frame has a certain life measured in flying hours and signs of fatigue cracking, so to will the booster unit. It would be interesting to know if the is a designated life span measured in launches for those boosters.
Still it is a very good achievement. Another thing I do wonder about though. His tesla cars are sold basically at cost. The profits come from selling the carbon credits. It makes me wonder if there is a perk like that for the boosters or is it purely on its own merits?
I take nothing away from Musk though because he builds stuff that actually works, the only entity in the US to do so now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 1:49 utc | 55
Posted by: Drifter | Jul 29 2024 1:33 utc | 54
So why hasn't Musk rescued the astronauts from the space station?
Posted by: Honzo | Jul 29 2024 1:59 utc | 56
Yes, while the AFU still has elite units willing to fight to the death, the situation now is devolving into one where they will wonder if Ukraine would better be served by their surviving so they can guard the integrity of the nation's traditions as it transitions towards negotiating with Russia, and then later reorganizing after a peace treaty is signed.
And given the Neo-Nazi nature of some of the elite units, they could be thinking in terms along the lines imagined in novels like the The Odessa File.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 28 2024 20:20 utc | 23
Yes, this is a theoretical escape hatch for the lost cause of Ukrainian Nationalism, but I doubt that the Azov & kin in the thick of things have such strategic foresight in guarding the "nation's traditions." They cannot simply surrender on their own due to their nature. Preservation of the hard core nationalist identity will need to come from abroad after all is lost - and the question is how many will be remaining.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 29 2024 2:11 utc | 57
@ Peter AU1 - Yes, of course the 300 flights of used boosters have been with several boosters. B1062 holds the record for an individual booster at 22 flights. The first Sunday booster was on its 14th flight. But 67 years into the 'Space Age' we have an industrial operation that is working more like an early airline company than the prior tradition of making very expensive disposable rockets and launching one every few months.
So why hasn't Musk rescued the astronauts from the space station?Posted by: Honzo | Jul 29 2024 1:59 utc | 56
Musk offered, but the DEI Boeing management is dithering. On one hand, having to ask for a rescue would be an epic humiliation. On the other hand, trying to re-enter with a service module with 30 helium leaks and killing both test pilots would be the end for Boeing as an aerospace contractor.
There are Dragon capsules on standby all of the time, 42 missions to ISS (cargo and crewed) and 25 missions have been with reused capsules - yes the capsules are reusable too. The Boeing test pilots are in no danger unless Boeing orders them to try to go home on faulty equipment. Nothing wrong with Soyuz capsules either, but the political humiliation would be unbearable, and not just for Boeing.
Posted by: Drifter | Jul 29 2024 2:26 utc | 58
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 15
Moron, you think things are only happening in new york? Is that even that important at the moment?
Posted by: Boo | Jul 28 2024 19:41 utc | 17
Don't waste your time responding. Napoleon is still butt hurt over losing 500,000 soldiers trying to conquer Russia, as if Russia was Italy or something. Russia benefits from the strategic imbecility of its opponents.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 29 2024 2:28 utc | 59
Reports are that the USAF has now temporarily stationed two B-52's in Romania, for operations over the Black Sea.
This a clear provocation of RU forces as the final collapse of AFU land forces begins.
The collapse period will be very dangerous for nations not committed to the NATO agenda, specifically Hungary, Slovakia, and non NATO member Serbia.
Expect extreme NATO retaliation from them on these nations including a potential strangulation of petroleum supplies................
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 29 2024 2:45 utc | 60
His tesla cars are sold basically at cost. The profits come from selling the carbon credits. It makes me wonder if there is a perk like that for the boosters or is it purely on its own merits?Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 1:49 utc | 55
I don't know all the answers here, the finances are quite dark, same as Facebook, Google, Amazon ...
However, the lion's share of SpaceX launches are for their own Starlink satellites, which in itself is a business with an income stream. When SpaceX launches for the NRO, NOAA, or NASA, the govt pays for new boosters - because they can! That leaves SpaceX with used boosters they basically get for free to launch Starlink. As for who pays for Starlink, I suspect military users pay much if not most of the bills.
Posted by: Drifter | Jul 29 2024 2:45 utc | 61
Drifter | Jul 29 2024 2:45 utc | 61
From what I read a year or two back, Pentagon have a thirty percent share in starlink.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 2:54 utc | 63
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 29 2024 2:45 utc | 60
With a Radar Cross Section (RCS) of 100m2 they should be pretty easy to track.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2024 3:06 utc | 64
Moron, you think things are only happening in new york? Is that even that important at the moment?
Posted by: Boo | Jul 28 2024 19:41 utc | 17
You don't get credit for Nui York until your team takes it. I'll put a quarter in the barfly jukebox...
"If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere.
It's up to you, New York, New York!"
~ Frank Sinatra
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 29 2024 3:53 utc | 65
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc | 27
I say millions of ordinary Americans don't even like Trump, and that's why he never won the popular vote."
As an American who supports Trump I think it's his identity as an outsider who is game to go against the system (both sides of it) to accomplish his agenda that draws support from normal Americans. He was seriously undermined by the people he chose, but I hope he learned and won't be so gullible. The fact that they tried to assassinate him is the best evidence that he threatens the status quo. That earns my vote.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2024 4:11 utc | 66
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 22:19 utc | 34
Question is, which pinch hitter is Obama going to select next, when the Brat Harris campaign flames out, as it did in 2019?"
I'm not sure Obama has time to pull off a switcheroo. We have already crossed into uncharted territory and throwing Kamala out the window might be like overturning the card table mid-game. The disruption might simply strengthen Trump's momentum. Also, Obama's not the only power broker in the Democrat Party; the Clintons still have their assets and they don't play nice with the Obama's.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2024 4:26 utc | 67
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 28 2024 20:41 utc
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 23:02 utc | 44
"The popular vote may have meant something once."
The popular vote has never counted for anything more than sour grapes in America's elections. The Founding Fathers feared that the populous states would run roughshod over the less populous states and came up with the Electoral College to balance the tables between large and small states.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2024 4:36 utc | 68
@Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2024 4:11 utc | 66
Trump was born with a billion dollar platinum spoon up his ass and is part of the oligarchy, what we are seeing is a fight between different oligarchic sub-groups. He doesn't threaten the overall oligarchic status quo, just some interests of the specific oligarchic grouping currently in power. He would never threaten the overall oligarchic status quo that supports his own wealth. Inter-elite squabbles can be quite brutal, look at what happened to JFK when he threatened the embedded oligarchic group. Absolutely nothing to do with helping the common people.
Posted by: Roger | Jul 29 2024 4:37 utc | 69
"Absolutely nothing to do with helping the common people."
You sure about that? Under Trump black unemployment reached it lowest level in history (4%), gas was under $2 a gallon, mortgage rates were ridiculously low (I got a 3.5% rate) and inflation was below 2%. Under Biden almost everyone is struggling and the only people doing well are government employees and those heavily invested in the stock market. I don't think your common people have that much in the market; they are too busy just trying to survive.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2024 4:49 utc | 70
Re: Posted by: AI | Jul 28 2024 17:21 utc | 2
This is why Black-Asian American Kamala Harris will be a better President than Trump. She may be able to stop it after getting rid of Blinken and Sullivan.
Hahahahaha - AI indeed. Only AI could believe an idiot like Kamala Harris has any agency whatsoever.
Kamala is a cipher and will do as she’s told - as she’s ordered.
She certainly has ZERO idea about anything related to foreign policy!! She was dumb enough to read out that the US is allied to North Korea for god’s sake!
She ain’t getting rid of ANY of the current foreign policy crew.
Posted by: Julian | Jul 29 2024 4:49 utc | 71
@Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2024 4:49 utc | 70
Mortgage rates were low well before Trump got in, and then were slashed because of the 2019 repo meltdown and the COVID lockdowns. Interest rates had to rise because so many years of ultra-low rates plus supply chain disruptions caused a big spike in inflation. Inflation was actually lower under Obama than Trump. African American unemployment is lower under Biden than Trump. Sources provided below, now stop embarrassing yourself by making shit up - especially shit that can be checked so easily.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US
https://www.investopedia.com/inflation-rate-by-year-7253832
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194151/unemployment-rate-of-african-americans-in-the-us-since-1990/
Please do move USA politics talk to the other thread. Conversation has already drifted away.
Posted by: boneless | Jul 29 2024 6:12 utc | 73
Posted by: boneless | Jul 29 2024 6:12 utc | 73
Why, as long as posters can link it to Ukraine, US political outcomes will be a significant determinant in Ukraine’s eventual fate. I’d suggest that Putin will want to deal with a known quantity, instead of a series of string-pullers behind the Democratic candidate.
Posted by: Roger | Jul 29 2024 5:06 utc | 72
Cute that you still believe official statistics, guess you also believe the Russians have lost up to 100K casualties last month, given their origins (institutionally created info/data) are from the same sources you quoted. You cant’t pick and choose, if you accept the official figures about the economy, you must accept the DoD’s analysis of the Ukraine conflict and its attendant intelligence estimates.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2024 7:22 utc | 74
#ChasovYar reports on a broad probing/recon attack on the other side of the "canal' including using various underground infrastructure and tunnels
https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1817668131143225825
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2024 7:35 utc | 75
Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2024 22:29 utc | 36
Good thing you don't hate Jews, just zionists, amirite, you disgusting turd, naive?
Posted by: jimbojames | Jul 29 2024 8:12 utc | 76
‼️🔥🇺🇦A group of Odessa residents burned 15 military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the TsK - RVvoenkorhttps://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1817851659151704272
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2024 9:22 utc | 77
However, the lion's share of SpaceX launches are for their own Starlink satellites, which in itself is a business with an income stream.
Posted by: Drifter | Jul 29 2024 2:45 utc | 61
Tesla cars aren't sold at cost, there is nothing there for that price. EU put sanctions on Chinese electric cars to artificially preserve his market in EU. His profits came from crypto trade and the green credits he sells. Don't forget a large source of free money from investments in impossible projects, like the vacuum train tube or useless overpriced junk.
For the space thing he has a record number of explosions, even these days he blows them up like no one else. For each, his church followers (or bots) write hundreds of comments on youtube that he does it for their entertainment, "he's so great!".
I suspect there is a scheme for that too, like when Hollywood fakes an insane budget for something that looks like a TV movie, then declares $100m as losses for accounting purposes. Or simply it's all government money. They've destroyed NASA and replaced it with a clown pretending to be great inventor-genius-real-life-Iron-Man and his "private" company.
Posted by: rk | Jul 29 2024 9:44 utc | 78
Roger @69:”He doesn't threaten the overall oligarchic status quo, just some interests of the specific oligarchic grouping currently in power. He would never threaten the overall oligarchic status quo that supports his own wealth.”
Of course. Only a moron thinks Trump intends to bring the oligarchy down. Likewise, only morons think everyone who prefers Trump over the “woke” Establishment imagines Trump isn’t part of the oligarchy.
I would go so far as to say that everyonee whose automatic reaction to a non-hysterical comment about Trump is to assert the poster worships Trump or believes Trump to be a saint is a paid marketing representative for the DNC, or has serious mental disorders, or both.
And I do mean seriously mentally ill. TDS people are borderline homicidally insane, at the very least. I thought they would eventually burn out the ”Russian collusion!!!!” hysteria and recover their whits, but they have only gotten worse and more unhinged.
Person with mental illness: ”You worship Trump because you don’t have an emotional meltdown every time his name is mentions like I do!!!!!” (should be in ALL CAPS, but you get the idea).
Sure only about 20% of the population has TDS to the point of serious disorder, but that 20% includes most people with any influence in mass media and many in academia and business management positions.
Lunacy among a society’s ”leaders” is to be expected when that society is terminal.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 29 2024 10:38 utc | 79
"I wouldnt be so optimistic.
US economx is still strong and Ukros still ready to die for weestern values."
Posted by: vargas | Jul 28 2024 21:53 utc | 32
The US debt grows by a trillion dollars every 100 days.
You are nothing but a vacant mind.
If the Ukros are 'ready to die for Western values' then why does Ukraine have to kidnap conscripts for the army?
Fuck you are stupid.
Posted by: rk | Jul 29 2024 9:44 utc | 78
Your criticism of Elon only illustrates your own envy of the man ; he is wealthy, charismatic and prophetic and you have none of those traits.
Apologies if this has been highlighted before.
There's a photo (or rather screenshot) from today's 'Kyiv Independent' of Zelensky being filmed in front of the entrance to the city of Pokrovsk in Donetsk on the 26th June 2024.
Given the recent Russian advances towards Pokrovsk, it seems the Zelensky jinx may soon strike again!
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Jul 29 2024 11:22 utc | 82
According to Dima, Ukro army is giving less resistance on certain directions.
Is that a trap or the Russian attrition strategy is showing first signs of success?
Posted by: vargas | Jul 29 2024 11:32 utc | 83
Posted by: jimbojames | Jul 29 2024 8:12 utc | 76
Strawman fallacy + ad personam fallacy.
You lost.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 29 2024 12:22 utc | 84
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 29 2024 10:38 utc | 79
Righto Gruff. TDS is a thing.
Get ready for KDS. KDS will trigger in defense of kamala. Cases already being manufactured on the MSM.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 12:24 utc | 85
Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 11:10 utc | 81
Lol. Havin a good one eh?
I gotta say. Your defense of musk is a little like an anti vaxer i used to know who got the mrna one during covid because it wasn't the same thing. The simple and undeniable proof about musk lies in empire providing his EV enterprise a captive market as well as resouces and investment.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 12:41 utc | 86
Posted by: vargas | Jul 29 2024 11:32 utc | 83
Why the first suggestion? You can’t conduct any ‘Backhand Blows’ of old, thanks to ISR, you have to play a shell game, only revealing the direction when your opponent has committed his reserves to a feint. The Ukrainian Army’s increasing lack of armoured capability makes this tactic even more effective, because once they’ve moved into position they are essentially fixed in place.
From frontline reports the Territorial fillers are not lasting long enough, or offering enough resistance to act as speed-bumps anymore. Meaning the Russians can exploit any breakthrough far quicker and far longer than before. The tank, as ever, has the last laugh again, over those who came to bury it with the headstone inscribed ‘1916-2024, killed by the drone’.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2024 13:36 utc | 87
Re devastated Ukraine landscape....going to to take a lot f bulldozers to fill in those shell holes.....lots of forestry hedges destroyed need replacement trees.....
Posted by: Jo | Jul 29 2024 13:58 utc | 88
https://t.me/llordofwar/365296
📣 The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine supported the draft Law on the creation of private military companies in the countryAccording to media reports, this could become a cover for the entry of NATO troops into Ukraine under the guise of PMCs.
https://t.me/llordofwar/365238
🇲🇱🇺🇦 The media published photographs of Ukrainian mercenaries from Africa helping the TuaregsThe administrator of one of the Telegram channels associated with the Wagnerites, known under the call signs Bely and Five Hundred, was going to publish these shots, but did not have time. Presumably, he died during a Tuareg attack in Mali.
✖️ According to some reports, Bely also knew that separatists were being taken to Ukraine for instruction to learn how to operate FPV drones.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2024 14:06 utc | 89
@ Canuck
@ Milites
Guys, especially you, Canuck. Why bother with those two? You know they’ll “drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”. …. Heh, maybe you’re trying to gain experience at their level…? /s
I might disagree with you two on a few things here and there. But, you both regularly contribute intelligent comments and I rather not see you blow a gasket.
Posted by: despondent | Jul 29 2024 15:11 utc | 90
Reply to: Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 11:10 utc | 81
I have just listened to Tom Luongo's latest podcast. It seems that a substantial group of Tech Billionaires, of which Musk is at the center, has joined the fight against the 'Globalists' (British Empire Elites) and in support of Trump. They thus join the group of large N.Y. banks, and the FED, who have been fighting against the 'Globalists' for the past several years.
Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 29 2024 15:25 utc | 91
Dima reported some pretty substantial gains in Toretsk, with RUAF capturing the Pivnichne citadel and some other areas around it. They also control the main road connecting Toretsk and New York, AFU apparently for a long time didn't know about RU controlling the road and they managed to ambush some stuff moving south along it. They most likely know about it at this point.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2024 15:42 utc | 92
@ dh-mtl | Jul 29 2024 15:25 utc | 91
Me loved Luongo and Robert Barnes. But, my, my, they really got a blind spot for pro-war, pro-jab, pro-surveillance Trump. As though “an asshole from a different camp of assholes, promoting the same policies” is supposed to matter to us. Luongo was already a bit too smug. I gave up listening to both of them.
Posted by: despondent | Jul 29 2024 16:03 utc | 93
I gotta say. Your defense of musk is a little like an anti vaxer i used to know who got the mrna one during covid because it wasn't the same thing. The simple and undeniable proof about musk lies in empire providing his EV enterprise a captive market as well as resouces and investment.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 12:41 utc | 86
So I guess when the Duponts of Deleware-who control the state a have command of Biden-went after Musk through the courts as a 'ruse de guerre' and is just 'Kabuki theatre'.
And Musk buying Twitter at double the price of what its worth to illustrate the censorship the US government enforces on Big tech-another Kabuki theatre moment?
Sorry you are so misinformed it is laughable-Musk is on our side you dope!! 5 years ago you were probably right but not now.
https://t.me/voenkorkhayrullin/3012
Trading the Motherland is strictly prohibited.Perhaps, a few words should be said about the situation with the arrest of yet another former deputy of the already former Deputy Minister of Defense Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu. One can argue for a long time about what is behind this, delve into the details, savor the details. But, as is known, experience is the criterion of truth, and, if we proceed from this, then the processes around Shoigu are increasingly reminiscent of a scenario of a total purge of a certain group of influence.
This happens when Vladimir Putin is not just personally hurt or offended - this is categorically unsuitable. And, say, someone did not justify the Supreme's credit of trust.
This, by the way, does not necessarily mean, as we will see below, that VVP began to personally treat the person negatively, but rules are rules. And in this case, the rule is this - the closer you are to the Supreme, the greater the demand (from personal observations).
Thus, Putin, as I understand it, is fighting servility in his entourage - so that not sycophants, but smart people break through to the center of power.
However, what is behind these total purges of a key department, especially during a war? To understand this, we need to look back to the recent past and recall the case of the former governor of Dagestan Ramazan Abdulatipov and the case of the former Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev.
The former, having forced his way into a lucrative position, built a very dishonest system - on the one hand, following Kadyrov's example, he declared himself Putin's personal henchman and was not shy about praising the head of state at every turn.But if Kadyrov really showed the results of his work, then Abdulatipov, hiding behind the Portrait, dragged everything he could from the unfortunate republic, gobbled up, as they say, not even three, but ten snouts. Abdulatipov's brother and his son-in-law especially distinguished themselves.
At the same time, the governor himself was not shy about positioning himself as an independent player in the foreign policy arena - he began making his own "state" visits to Turkey and Saudi Arabia. He promised all sorts of nonsense and was instantly recruited through his own eldest daughter, whose personal life had not worked out very well.
As a result, several signals were sent to the entire Russian elite through the Abdulatipov case.
First: personal integrity. You can be a complete sybarite, like German Gref, but the result is the main thing.
Second: you can kiss the boss's ass as much as you like, but the result is still the main thing.
And third: trading the Motherland is strictly prohibited under any circumstances. With or without results - it is forbidden and that's it.Abdulatipov was saved from his favorite boss's prison in Karelia only by the fact that he did not have time to actually hand over anything to our sworn foreign partners, although they got very close to him.
That is the only reason Abdulatipov did not go to jail for the full term, but was sent into shameful eternal exile, and neither he nor his relatives, who retained their freedom, will ever escape from it again.Now, as for the purges of Dmitry Medvedev's entourage - the "chess mafia" case, the Magomedov case and a number of other high-profile cases.
Dmitry Anatolyevich himself retained his personal integrity and loyalty to the Motherland, so he was only transferred to a velvet position in the Security Council - under the supervision (read re-education) of the great and terrible Nikolai Patrushev (for those who do not know, Nikolai Platonovich is considered a consensus figure for the Russian elite - the second echelon of stability in our system of power, which is specially shown to everyone).
And, what is important, Medvedev's key state managers (Tkachev, Dvorkovich) also retained their personal freedom and assets.
Shoigu was obviously sent according to this second option. Why is this important? Personally, both Dmitry Anatolyevich and Sergey Kuzhugetovich not only maintained their loyalty to the state, but also showed themselves to be very good state managers who have accumulated colossal experience. Apparently, their transfer to the Security Council means that in the future they have every chance of returning to active state management, having undergone some kind of "cleansing" in the penates of Nikolai Platonovich.
This is especially relevant for Dmitry Anatolyevich. Kuzhugetych is already quite an old politician.
https://t.me/voenkorkhayrullin/3013
But Sergei Shoigu's managers will suffer because (unlike Tkachev and Dvorkovich) they have not preserved their personal integrity.Obviously, the most publicly offensive factor for them was the severe Brezhnev syndrome - the rear services began to pin military orders and medals on themselves, and, worst of all, to hand them out to anyone.
It must be understood that Putin treats this human trait as a kind of key character marker. Remember the police general, whom he personally gave the opportunity to engage in science (let me remind you, the general became a corresponding member of the Academy of Sciences for some reason).
Many may think that I am drawing too complex a construction here. But the corridors of Russian power are Byzantium cubed, which is controlled mainly by signals.
Putin does not speak words, but sends these very signals - whoever did not understand, or tried to slip past, can blame himself. Because, in the realities of the modern, very complex structure of power, they have power that is at least equivalent to the power of law.
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/38002
Former Russian Deputy Defense Minister Ivanov has asked to be released from custody on the grounds of his participation in military operations.
Forwarded from ROGOZINThe news that Timur has the status of a combatant has caused such an angry reaction among the front-line soldiers that, apparently, it will be necessary to explain how this could have happened, who signed this decision, in what combat actions he took part (the joke about "Kolchak's fronts" is not accepted, it is no longer funny), when did this happen? Equally interesting are the biographies of other "commanders" who, without leaving their offices, received military orders. All this should fall under the article on discrediting the Armed Forces, since it is extremely negatively perceived in the active army. I hope that Minister Belousov will find grounds for reviewing the most odious previous decisions on awarding those not involved.
Today I would like to talk about something unpleasant. As you know, yesterday was Navy Day. Naturally, journalists are present at such events, and what struck me most was Channel One!They interviewed those present, including participants and veterans of the SVO. I was also caught on camera. I didn’t see any SVO front-line soldiers in the finished report. Moreover, they didn’t even mention them. Instead, they showed some half-drunk Marimans. Isn’t that discrediting?
At the moment, a lot of sailors and marines are fighting at the front, but not a word about them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this post-war story happens again, when all the cripples and invalids are hidden away so that they don’t get in the way and don’t remind us that there were any consequences of military action.
Yesterday, it was hard to watch how the “men” drank and beat their chests, what men they are. How they served a year of their compulsory military service. But not a single toast was raised for those who are now at the front.
I don't need all these interviews, it's important to me that they don't forget. And there's some strange news on Channel One.Just yesterday, while the holiday was going on, 6 guys from the unit were helping died at the front. Six snipers! While the "men" with a bottle of vodka stood and told Channel One's camera how cool they were.
https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16595
Much has been said about military duty, if you got to the front line with so many drones, then you definitely have character and deserve respect. But still, there are cases that go beyond the usual understanding of the word duty.A young guy, Roman Sergeevich Knaub, began his service in the Strategic Missile Forces, after the start of the Air Defense Forces, he did not want to sit in the rear and achieved a transfer to the legendary 138th Brigade. His unit carried out some of the most difficult tasks and each time it was associated with the maximum risk to life. On February 20, 2024, during a combat mission in the Kharkov region, the enemy discovered a group under the command of Knaub and launched an artillery strike. Roman was seriously wounded, lost an arm, two legs, the rest of the scouts died.
Roman Knaub is undoubtedly a hero and has fully fulfilled his duty to his homeland. But even after such a serious injury, he is eager to return to the unit again. Now he is waiting for a prosthesis to be installed and asking the command to return to the front line. He says that he is able to lead groups to the front line and he is no worse than other fighters.
There are dozens of heroes like Roman. And if ten years ago it was difficult for them to find a place on the front line, now it is quite easy to do. The development of unmanned systems levels out the physical development of the pilot. The most effective, often, are not the big guys, but the young guys of a slender build.
In addition to controlling UAVs, wounded heroes can perform hundreds of different useful functions for our army. We are becoming more and more digital and a keyboard and mouse sometimes mean more than a frontline bomber. I think that heroes like Roman should be given preference when filling these positions, because their motivation is many times greater than that of people who simply came from civilian life.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2024 16:30 utc | 95
"@ Canuck
@ Milites
Guys, especially you, Canuck. Why bother with those two? You know they’ll “drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”. …. Heh, maybe you’re trying to gain experience at their level…? /s
I might disagree with you two on a few things here and there. But, you both regularly contribute intelligent comments and I rather not see you blow a gasket."
Posted by: despondent | Jul 29 2024 15:11 utc | 90
Thank you, despondent-I am taking your counsel.
Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 11:10 utc | 81
Lol. Havin a good one eh?
"I gotta say. Your defense of musk is a little like an anti vaxer i used to know.."
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 12:41 utc | 86
I never took the mRNA vax; buddy of mine died of a blood clot because of his second shot; an acquaintance had to have a lung transplant because of the vax; two of my buddies have uncontrollable itching since they got the vax-I could go on.
Such that your 'vax' anecdote only confirms you are a silly Fool.
canuck | Jul 29 2024 11:10 utc | 81
Musk is part of the realist faction in the US. However he goes about it, Musk runs successful companies. However he is also the same US exceptionalist mindset, and it shows very strongly in his tweets about South America.
The realist/nationalist faction (fronted by the republicans) are likely far more dangerous than the globalist faction (fronted by the dems) because they are far smarter.
Under the realists, its continued wars in the middle east (unanimous with the globalists on that front), war against China, and war, be it hybrid or whatever on south america.
The difference between the two groups is Russia. The globalists/loyalists have a fanatical hatred of Russia whereas the realists do not. They realize Russia has only grown stronger and so what to drop that project and focus on China.
To think that Musk is different regarding geo-politics and attacks on other countries is a mistake. His tweets on the recent Venezuelan elections are no different to the rest of the US deep state.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 16:53 utc | 98
UWDude, Milites, alek_a spout nothing or nonsense. I've already forgotten which one managed to claim enough votes were bought to fake the 2020 election without Republicans managing to produce the evidence in front of Republican judges. The old advice, follow the money, has been replaced with, follow the invisible and intangible money...aka imaginary money. All should be simply dismissed.
Paranaense@66 writes "As an American who supports Trump I think it's his identity as an outsider who is game to go against the system (both sides of it) to accomplish his agenda that draws support from normal Americans. He was seriously undermined by the people he chose, but I hope he learned and won't be so gullible. The fact that they tried to assassinate him is the best evidence that he threatens the status quo. That earns my vote." This is apparently somehow supposed to be a response to one of my comments? But when you trumpet Trump's "identity" you are doing the right-wing version of identity politics, which is no wiser nor more decent than fake left identity politics. Identity politics does not do policy. It is obvious that Trump's agenda was mostly not clear, ineffective even when he got his way, empty verbiage. The common sense alternative to this nonsense is to regard his appointments as revealing his true agenda, not some mysterious reversal. Lastly of course, there is no more evidence "they" tried to assassinate Trump than there is that Trump faked it.
But to my eyes, it is the fact that millions of ordinary Americans do not like Trump that has inspired the denunciations of democracy by the likes of LoveDonbass and Victor, on the grounds most normal people are scum. At least Clinton actually claimed the infamous deplorables were a minority, not the majority. A rancid contempt for humanity in general historically has been a symptom of reaction.
Milites@74 is simply incorrect that all statistics emanating from official sources are equally unreliable. Economic statistics are used by businessmen and they cannot tolerate simple falsification. That's the old famous distinction between the stories in the Wall Street Journal being relatively reliable vs. the Op-Ed page being a steaming pile. DoD claims are not something that matters to the bottom line, not directly. In practice, you have to pick and choose the best information available. Rejecting everything just leaves you prey to imagination.
William Gruff@79 attacks Roger@69 "Of course. Only a moron thinks Trump intends to bring the oligarchy down. Likewise, only morons think everyone who prefers Trump over the “woke” Establishment imagines Trump isn’t part of the oligarchy." Paranaense is the moron, according to Gruff. Why Gruff nevertheless supports another oligarch, to the point of pathologizing millions of people, should provoke questions about the combined sense and sincerity of Gruff. Trumpers do support an oligarch, and when Gruff says otherwise, it's a lie. (At this point, I would like to say to American voters, learn how to write in a real choice. My current favorite alternative to vote "NO!" is de la Cruz.)
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 29 2024 16:54 utc | 99
Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 29 2024 15:25 utc | 91
I guess he reads his science fiction, recognising the globalist future world government will not improve his chances of ‘getting to Mars’. For their part the globalists recognise he is a threat, especially true now, as he has publicly declared war on the woke ‘mind virus’, a critical component in their divide and conquer strategy. It makes strategic sense for him to ally with Trump, who recognises this will be the last election when a President is more than simply a figurehead to give the regime respectability.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 29 2024 15:42 utc | 92
Success breeds success, and given the reason for that success is not a statistical outlier, but driven by strategic decisions made over a year ago, it will only gain in momentum. Conversely, because Ukraine has been forced into a reactive decision making cycle, or one that is opportunistic, their long-term decline is unstoppable. Object that is increasingly taking on the qualities of irresistibility meet object that is increasingly becoming mobile, wonder what will happen next?
Final point, the more this disparity in operational performance continues opportunities, that were previously beyond Russian capabilities, become serious options that will increase the speed of the incline, decline cycle.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2024 17:12 utc | 100
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I posted this on the pentagon thread per aristodemos's inspired comment on wordsmith trickery:
Putin warns US of Cold War style crisis
This is one of the most obvious pieces of imperialist rationalization, that frankly borders on the pathological. No mention that it was the US that first withdrew from the INF treaty, or the numerous other treaties the US withdrew from under Shrub, the Nobel laureate's NDAA of 2015-16 which called for a $3 trillion modernization of the US nuclear arsenal, etc. Nor is there any mention of the statements made by the sponsors of the Minsk agreements that there was never any intention of following though on their commitments, Z's explicit demand to restart nuclear weapons development in UKR...
It's this kind of self delusion that will get the US into serious trouble a lot sooner than it expects.
Posted by: robjira | Jul 28 2024 17:05 utc | 1