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July 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-175

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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BMT Episode 24 – not very Military Update with Mike Mihajlovic and me

Topics discussed:
– Kamala Harris “Unburdened but what has been”
– NATO wanted the Sea of Azov
– Irina Farion
– Possible problems for EU (additional to those already present)
– Situation in Bangladesh
– Friday joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eYPnyaWsAE

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 20:05 utc | 301

@Paranaense – and even then : Mother Teresa was a fraud, gathering money supposedly for the suffering and sick, and handing it over to the Vatican !

Posted by: Featherless | Jul 26 2024 20:10 utc | 302

“Radical new” idea from Zhivoff:

Multi-domain warfare and methods of counteraction.
I am writing this again so that all decision-makers on the architecture of army command and control will have no illusions.
The same story is being told in different sectors of the front. The enemy uses his firepower very flexibly and doses it well depending on the complexity of the target and its ability to defend itself.
Our enemy replaced the physical front line with a virtual one , creating a seamless battle space through the use of multi-layer reconnaissance and predictive and analytical fire distribution systems.
The latter allowed him, among other things, to abandon continuous lines of trenches, i.e. classic front line. Before us is a full-fledged combat machine of a multi-domain war . Which, unlike us, work not from the entrusted sector of the front, but from the goal.
Superiority in drones and reconnaissance equipment is not the reason for what is happening, but a consequence of the application of the troop command and control model I described.
I would rate the likelihood that we can quickly deploy such a control system as extremely low. Therefore, if you cannot catch up with your opponent in development, you need to return him to your technological and managerial level. But we are up to this task.
It is necessary to cut down the basic communication and control nodes that ensure the operation of this NATO system in Ukraine: generation, Internet, data processing servers. In a zone of 25 km from the LBS, the enemy should not have a single wire, generator or telephone tower left.
This is a doable task. Our advantage is that by returning the enemy to our level of control, we will be stronger than him.
If you can’t destroy the enemy’s network supports, just burn them with napalm. The lives of our soldiers are more important than humanism.

Posted by: Boo | Jul 26 2024 20:26 utc | 303

@Paranaense | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 19:25:00 GMT | 301

Doesn’t that describe most of us here? Including yourself? If you read the forum you’ll realize that you’re not talking to a room full of Mother Teresa.

Are any of us running for the highest public office in the US, wherein service to others is the paramount qualification? No? So false analogy then.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 22:03 utc | 304

303 – Mother Theresa devoted her entire life to caring for the poor, sick and destitute in India.
She was completely and utterly selfless in every single way. Get a grip……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 27 2024 2:46 utc | 305

“He doesn’t care about anything other than himself.”
Doesn’t that describe most of us here? Including yourself?
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 26 2024 19:25 utc | 301
Only speak for yourself on that one and don’t project your own motivations onto others.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 3:29 utc | 306

Interesting watching the progression of the Russian peacetime army as it transforms into a combat hardened lean mean fighting machine.
Developing tactics and fine tuning weapons, officers with successful combat experience being promoted ect.
I see another logistics officer at the top end has just been arrested for corruption. And that is where the lean comes in. Russia is developing a fighting machine that can run on the smell of an oily rag. Very economical to run yet without sacrificing power.
The very opposite of the utterly corrupt US war industry.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 3:43 utc | 307

Posted by: Ново З | Jul 26 2024 9:57 utc | 263
“That should be a warning to you and others here that Milites’s posts are not worth wasting much time on.”
I’m not sure I understand your logic. Where someone has lived renders them unable to grasp military concepts? Milites appears to have a much more extensive understanding of military tactics, theory, history and technological developments than anything I’ve read in your posts. What does his past residency have to do with anything?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2024 4:10 utc | 308

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2024 4:10 utc | 309
Sounds like Milites might be a zionist.
He jas raised my ire a few times with statements that had shades of disingenuousness.
But no proof he is here under fake pretense, and overall, his analysis is worth the read. I have suspected he might even be pro Ukraine, but even then, it doesn’t matter to me, because he does at least seem to bring down the chorus of NATO weapons are shit. They aren’t. They have problems, but they also are deadly.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 27 2024 4:24 utc | 309

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/us/politics/austin-russia-ukraine-defense-plot.html
New York Times story says Russia told Austin to tell ukraine to call off a terrorist attack.
If its true, (which is unlikely, since it is NYT), it reminds me of a meme i saw that said, “Putin should call the red phone, just to see who answers”.
It would not surprise me if that is exactly what they did.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 27 2024 5:12 utc | 310

Anyone remember this? The poster perhaps seeing this?
Posted by: High Speed Idiot | Aug 29 2023 3:47 utc | 212
It was all about Kiev Ukraine land and assets being sold off and international buyers profiting hugely from it.
I wonder if this is/was true? Still is the case?
Russia’s rep at the UN recently made a speech suggesting large parts of Kiev Ukraine belonged to foreigners. Certain people deny this and claim Kiev Ukraine law prohibits it. (Yes, famously most corrupt place in the world and yet they claim their ‘law’ prohibits things and therefore they cannot be).
Anyone happen to know anything?

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 27 2024 5:31 utc | 311

abrogard | Jul 27 2024 5:31 utc | 312
Early on there was the crap about Russia starving he wold because it was blocking Ukrainian grain exports.
Putin just said no, it is American grain.
Owning lad? It is about owning rights to land and what it can produce. In Ukraine, Americans own those rights.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 5:48 utc | 312

My 313?
typos again.
I seem to tire very quickly now, and no longer any remissions. Downfall of this ugly empire is something I want to see before I go.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 6:07 utc | 313

Looks like I’m not the only one saying there must be at most 15m in Ukr
youtube.com/watch?v=FsHWC9OFytc&t=1239s

Posted by: rk | Jul 27 2024 8:13 utc | 314

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 6:07 utc | 314
Well whatever the problem I hope you overcome it. Soon. And thank you for the post. Have you any links or references to back up the claim that Americans own those rights? That’d be what I’m looking for, the ‘ammunition’ I want. Sober a few Kiev Ukrainians up a bit.
🙂

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 27 2024 9:07 utc | 315

303 – Mother Theresa devoted her entire life to caring for the poor, sick and destitute in India.
She was completely and utterly selfless in every single way. Get a grip……
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 27 2024 2:46 utc | 306
She forbade contraception and abortion and caused much, much pain and grief. She was no saint.

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 27 2024 9:10 utc | 316

I may be looking in the wrong place or maybe just missed them but haven’t seen any posts by bevin for some time.
I welcome james’s posts amongst many others but miss bevin’s scholarly input. Hope he’s well.

Posted by: Vragtes | Jul 27 2024 9:39 utc | 317

@Boo | Jul 26 2024 20:26 utc | 304

Our enemy replaced the physical front line with a virtual one , creating a seamless battle space through the use of multi-layer reconnaissance and predictive and analytical fire distribution systems.

Russia can duplicate such a system, Russia has the IT and technological skills to do that. The problem comes in with the parquet generals and corrupt generals who stifle initiative. Russia can very easily put in a system to identify, track, anticipate and kill every human being within 500km of the front line. Worse part is that its not shells killing Russian soldiers, but drones, Russia can deal with artillery. Why no small anti-drone automatic shotgun system mounted on every armoured vehicle yet? All it takes is one mechanical engineer, one electronic engineer and one IT hacker, using off the shelf components, and one laptop to control the system.
But Russia is already killing 5 Nato irregulars for every Russian soldier lost, so Russia is winning anyway.

Posted by: gT | Jul 27 2024 10:46 utc | 318

Peter AU1@313….I doubt the US has any rights in 404 as far as land goes, unless they take and hold it, or, fuck, heaven forbid, Russia gives it up. But the grain growing on those fields, like here, belongs to the Patent owner.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 27 2024 12:47 utc | 319

>> “He doesn’t care about anything other than himself.”
> Doesn’t that describe most of us here? Including yourself? If you read the forum you’ll realize that you’re not talking to a room full of Mother Teresa.
The people here chose to familiarize themselves with issues affecting the lives and livelihoods of billions of strangers, over spending time learning about college sports, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, or some other way to advance their careers in a hierarchy run by evil people. The people here have probably spent decades trying to share their knowledge. Unless you define “care” or “altruism” or “selfishness” in ways that negate them (e.g., “even altruism is borne of selfishness!”), then the people here probably care, to a greater extent than most, about more than themselves.

Posted by: despondent | Jul 27 2024 12:48 utc | 320

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 6:07 utc | 314
Crazy ideas for you to consider. I’m trying them, because I researched them, but can’t vouch for since I honestly can’t tell the difference. Perhaps because I’m “okay” healthwise.
red/infrared light therapy (helps power mitochondria, by directly energizing a chromophore) (buy cheap flexible pad with LED’s…or sunbathe?)
Niacinamide (body turns it into something that helps power mitochondria)
high D, plus k2 and zinc (seek Dr. Berg video on subject)
Higher doses of all vitamins, because absorption declines as we age
ozonated water (supposedly kills off unhealthy cells)
fasting (ditto)
resveratrol, Quercetin

Posted by: despondent | Jul 27 2024 13:04 utc | 321

❗️A large number of mercenaries from France have arrived in the Kharkov region. Foreign contingents from Britain, Poland and the USA have also arrived, according to the head of the region’s military-civil administration, Vitaliy Ganchev.
According to him, Russian forces are slowly but steadily advancing in the direction of Kupyansk in the Kharkov region, with several settlements along the road between the towns of Kupyansk and Svatovo under control. https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1816850035604152397

Looks like the last ‘great offensive will kick off soon. Looks like the Nato troops are still using the figleaf of mercenaries.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 13:04 utc | 322

Has anyone linked to this article yet?
Why’d A Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Just Kill Their Country’s Top “Linguistic Nationalist”?
https://korybko.substack.com/p/whyd-a-ukrainian-neo-nazi-just-kill
Gives a perspective I wasn’t aware of.
Ethnic Russians that have converted to “Ukrainian” are some of the most fanatic of those fighting against Russia.
(Is there something above 10 on the fanatic scale? Azov Battalion is a 10).
A Nazi women opened the closet door and outed these ethnic Russian. She pissed some people off and so they assassinated her.

Posted by: librul | Jul 27 2024 13:50 utc | 323

abrogard | Jul 27 2024 9:07 utc | 316
No documents. Some Ukrainian soldiers earlier on were complaining they were at the front fighting but couldn’t by land as foreigners owned. I’ve seen various things on Ukraine government changing laws on selling land to foreigners and then there was that comment by Putin.
I saw a documentary on a large farm in Ukraine a couple of years ago where they were using the worlds largest harvester. That seemed to be a dutch owned farm, but who actually owned it is anyone’s guess as the company that owns it likely to be a subsidiary of another company.
But I not even sure what is the state of land ownership in Ukraine since the collapse of the SU. Is it all still government owned or was it privatized? From what was going on with Ukraine changing laws to allow land sales to foreigners, it sounded like the farming land was still government owned and leased out to farmers for something like a yearly lease payment.
But Putin did just say it belonged to the Americans when there was the rubbish about Russia blocking grain shipments so it could be just the grain as sean about suggests rather than the land.
Though those times soldiers fighting at the front and Ukrainian’s couldn’t buy land because foreigners owned it needs to be kept in mind.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 13:55 utc | 324

@ abrogard | Jul 27 2024 9:07 utc | 316
@ Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 13:55 utc | 325
Good luck finding documents. Likely held by shells.
Like this guy:
https://landreport.com/farmer-bill-gates
Only the paper trails into Ukraine will be harder to follow, probably.

Posted by: despondent | Jul 27 2024 15:31 utc | 325

Even *if* we were to discover that farmland title remains largely in the hands of actual Ukrainians, given their weak bargaining position I bet Natostan logistics companies make all the money. “We can’t ship grain for free! Think you can find another company to ship it out of a war zone for you? Go ahead and try!” Would Natostan oligopolists compete with each other on price for Ukrainian business?

Posted by: despondent | Jul 27 2024 15:38 utc | 326

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2024 4:10 utc | 309
He also admits his mistakes, 79th brigade, not 47th (sorry was watching the Trump charity golf match and 47 stuck in my head!). I don’t hide my political allegiances, but I don’t bring them into my analysis either Ideology warps your central premises leading inevitably to conclusions that are simply fodder for fellow ideologues, making the whole process a pointless exercise.
As for the drone issue a couple of points.
1. Soviets expected lead assault units to lose up to 60% of their units, with tanks, for example, lasting approximately 11 minutes from first contact. The Russian assault I mentioned suffered nowhere near this, as it is confirmed that the Russians were able to land their infantry and gain a foothold.
2. Usually an attacking force is engaged at long range using artillery/CAS, medium range, cannon fire (tanks and IFV’s) and ATGMs, short range LAW’s, which is why linear extrapolation of casualties is misleading. As a rule of thumb they increase as the range decreases. A reliance on drones means that although all three range bands can be targeted the casualties generated are linear, (certainly not 20% per 1000m) therefore not increasing as range decreases, meaning they can never generate the mass of fire a conventional defence requires to halt an assault.
3. Drones, due to their method of attack, loose their effectiveness rapidly if the target has any sort of effective protection, because an assault v defence is a matter of time v distance. The faster an attacking force can cover the danger area the greater the likelihood of its success, so any drone target that requires 2-3 drones to halt it is gaining more ground and reducing the chances of friendly units being hit*, as the available drones are depleted. This is the function of the turtle tanks, which also cleverly exploit the psychology of target prioritisation, due to proximity, and target fixation. Two factors that are greatly increased if the drone ‘pilots’ are non combatants.
4. The hours of drone footage also create a misleading impression about their effectiveness, only effective strikes are shown, similar to the majority of WW2 camera gun film (both aerial and ground attack), where pilots miss their targets, remains unseen. This also is true of the footage itself, often the target of the drone has quite obviously been abandoned or is still operational afterwards. Drones are very good propaganda devices in themselves, but their efficacy cannot be determined by open source materials. The Russians created amazing picto-graphics of the vulnerability zones of their MBT’s after the Chechen debacle, which lead to various programmes, I’d think the same is happening, but with the urgency of it being conducted whilst a conflict is on-going.
Put all this together and you have a situation where even a slight drop in drone effectiveness will cause operational issues for the Ukrainian’s that threaten their entire scheme of defence. If I was a betting man, I’d wager that there will be more successful armoured assaults and rates of advance will increase as a result.
*This was the basis of the Soviets using reactive armour, and up armouring the frontal arc of their MBT’s, they knew they’d be destroyed, but each 10 seconds it survived was another 50 metres closer to the objective.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 27 2024 17:06 utc | 328

Just read through the latest S article, doing some math on the MOD report, had to take my socks of, phew, lucky for the extra digits, a plus here, a carry there and holy crap, Russians are saying they killed or injured 13k plus Ukrainians and vacationing foreigners over the past few weeks. Lots of new NATO kit already in theatre. The hardware clobber list alone is fairly impressive…..almost FABulous.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 27 2024 18:53 utc | 329

The simple way to determine shit from shinola in regards to the question of FPV drones vs traditional firepower is mass and energy. Explosives charges and rocket engines can generate far more energy, in a faster, more concentrated form than the stored energy in a drones battery. And those charges can deliver more mass at an order of magnitude higher velocity.
On a macro scale whoever is able to get the most mass downrange on target is going to be able to do the most damage despite any way you spin it.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 19:04 utc | 330

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 19:04 utc | 331
Drones give better accuracy. Exactly why they are deployed massively now, and more befitting a “smo” than a genocidal war. If it were genocidal war, your axiom would hold true.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 27 2024 19:12 utc | 331

Drones give better accuracy. Exactly why they are deployed massively now, and more befitting a “smo” than a genocidal war. If it were genocidal war, your axiom would hold true.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 27 2024 19:12 utc | 332
Sniping: noun the action of shooting at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range.
The only difference between sniping with a drone as opposed to a rifle or ATGM is you don’t need a direct line of sight with a drone. Either way your choosing individual targets from a hidden location.
I think you’re trying to say that drones are less indiscriminate than artillery however you should look up the definition of “genocide” because that is a very specific type of killing where you target a race, tribe or nation as opposed to just mass civilian casualties.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 20:06 utc | 332

The only difference between sniping with a drone as opposed to a rifle or ATGM is you don’t need a direct line of sight with a drone.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 20:06 utc | 333
That’s a big difference.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 27 2024 20:13 utc | 333

abrogard | Jul 27 2024 9:10 utc | 317
*** 303 – Mother Theresa devoted her entire life to caring for the poor, sick and destitute in India.
She was completely and utterly selfless in every single way. Get a grip……
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 27 2024 2:46 utc | 306
She forbade contraception and abortion and caused much, much pain and grief. She was no saint.***
I’d read she did not provide or allow pain-killers even to those near death, because she reckoned that maximised suffering was morally good for people.
So was that her being selfless — or theologically self-indulgent?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 27 2024 20:57 utc | 334

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 19:04 utc | 331
Yup, I wonder how many drones equal the destructive power of an FAB 1,500, or even a 152mm round? Don’t also forget rates of fire (rof), even the relative sluggardly T-x, with their auto-loaders can fire one round every six seconds, meaning a target has only travelled some 30m before another 1km per sec round is heading down range. This was my point about drones, they might have an accuracy edge (though most modern FCS’s are very accurate) but they cannot reach the fire density, or weight, required to stop a determined assault.
Reliance on only one weapon system is never a good idea, ask Harold II, because not only does it restrict the tactical solutions available to a commander, it also means those solutions become predictable and prone to counters. Those counters go through a series of evolutionary changes, whose effectiveness can reach a critical point of nullification unless its target also adapts. The drone as a platform is severely limited in this ability, any increase in size or weight significantly reduces its effectiveness and, bar radical new technologies or tactics, it becomes a known commodity.
As for usage, drones are used by the Russians because it is a force multiplier and helps address traditional weaknesses in the Soviet DNA that still resided in Russian doctrine, that other technologies had not fully addressed. It’s not because of the nature of the conflict, given the massively destructive systems they’ve already liberally employed. Ukrainians used them initially to give an edge over the Russians, but now it’s because it’s increasingly all they have to effectively counter the Russian attacks. One might summarise the situation simply, Russia uses drones because she chooses to, Ukraine uses them because she has no choice, compelling or compelled, acting, reacting, increasing, decreasing, all component parts of the incline/decline cycle.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 27 2024 21:10 utc | 335

Yup, I wonder how many drones equal the destructive power of an FAB 1,500, or even a 152mm round? Don’t also forget rates of fire (rof), even the relative sluggardly T-x, with their auto-loaders can fire one round every six seconds, meaning a target has only travelled some 30m before another 1km per sec round is heading down range. This was my point about drones, they might have an accuracy edge (though most modern FCS’s are very accurate) but they cannot reach the fire density, or weight, required to stop a determined assault.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 27 2024 21:10 utc | 336
Agreed , magnitudes apart but a .22 to the head is more effective than a spray of .50 that don’t hit.
The most important point where I agree with you is whether it’s , let’s call it, SCALABLE
Apart from improvements in cages and EW, there is the question of being deployable in scale if there is a major attack. And whether they can be controlled without problem within the frequencies used.
As mentioned in other contexts, quantity has a quality on itself.
As a last caveat, pit-bikes seem to be a superb counter to FPV drones as well.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2024 21:35 utc | 336

That’s a big difference.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 27 2024 20:13 utc | 334
Yep … we’ve come a long way from the days of the smooth bore musket. If you want to take it back even further the sniper was the guy hiding in the tree throwing coconuts. Modern optics, ammunition and high powered rifles took us from 100M with a musket out to around 2K and now drones increase that range to 10k – 20k.
Tools and weapons change over time but the tactics themselves are timeless. What’s a “turtle tank” escorting a handful of APC’s if not a fast moving mini siege tower?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 21:45 utc | 337

Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 6:07 utc | 314
*** I seem to tire very quickly now, and no longer any remissions. ***
You ok for folic acid?

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 27 2024 22:37 utc | 338

@Milites | Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:06:00 GMT | 329

I don’t hide my political allegiances, but I don’t bring them into my analysis either

Are you sure about that? Most biases are done subconsciously, and I’ve read enough of your “analysis” on China to know where your biases are without you ever declaring your political allegiance. Everyone has biases, so that’s the issue.
As long as you admit to them, and how it colors your analysis, so people know where you are coming from. But spare us the holier than thou attitude in saying you don’t bring them into your analysis. I’ve read enough of your posts to know that’s not true.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 27 2024 22:42 utc | 339

I’d read she did not provide or allow pain-killers even to those near death, because she reckoned that maximised suffering was morally good for people.
So was that her being selfless — or theologically self-indulgent?
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 27 2024 20:57 utc | 335
Yes. I do believe that’s exactly right. She said it. Spoke it out. Sorry I can’t come up with links but I think it’s probably fairly easy to find nowadays.
She has been ‘exposed’ as so, so many have now. Too many for anyone to take any cognisance of.
There was a video: ‘Mother Theresa: The Dark Truth’. I think my first awakening came from that journalist – Hitchens – Christopher? I saw an interview where he railed against her quite vehemently as was his wont, remember?
It’s a commonplace really. She made her name and career on the backs of the poorest and most in need. I call it bandwagon riding. It is prevalent everywhere isn’t it? Make out you’re caring for others and accept status, money, position, authority on that basis, without necessarily having to produce anything of worth. In Australia we’re well versed in it. Our whole Canberra Blue Rinse set and our national broadcaster virtually live on it: we had bigger scam than even the centrelink online thing with ATSIC. Ours is the ‘natives’ thing. That one you can find everywhere, too and it has the noticeable feature that it creates it’s own ‘clients’ by simple matter of definition. Then segues into creating history etc.
All good fun. Compared to what Israel, Kiev and Washington do.

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 27 2024 23:09 utc | 340

As long as you admit to them, and how it colors your analysis, so people know where you are coming from. But spare us the holier than thou attitude in saying you don’t bring them into your analysis. I’ve read enough of your posts to know that’s not true.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 27 2024 22:42 utc | 340
We can all read and make up our mind, Milites does his Milites stuff in a very consistent way.
I don’t think any signaling about him is needed.
How about discussing this interesting one
“Place: #Sadove
🕰 Date: ~25.07.2024
📌 Coordinates: 46.695658,32.824700
👩‍🚀 Squad:
📝 Description: Russian airstrike blows up Ukrainian UAV control center in Sadove.
🖥 id: 26072024.0646
✉️source: https://t.me/HersonEnot/2114
Haven’t seen too many UAV control centers before, humint + Mr. FAB?

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2024 23:14 utc | 341

10 years ago: Madonna of Gorlovka
On 27 July 2014, during the shelling of Gorlovka by Ukrainian Grads; 23 year old Kristina Zhuk, and her 10 month old daughter Kira were killed.
A mural near the city square depicts the Madonna of Gorlovka. Photo | Eva Bartlett

Posted by: scanalyse | Jul 27 2024 23:22 utc | 342

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 6:07 utc | 314
Crazy ideas for you to consider. I’m trying them, because I researched them, but can’t vouch for since I honestly can’t tell the difference. Perhaps because I’m “okay” healthwise.
red/infrared light therapy (helps power mitochondria, by directly energizing a chromophore) (buy cheap flexible pad with LED’s…or sunbathe?)
Niacinamide (body turns it into something that helps power mitochondria)
high D, plus k2 and zinc (seek Dr. Berg video on subject)
Higher doses of all vitamins, because absorption declines as we age
ozonated water (supposedly kills off unhealthy cells)
fasting (ditto)
resveratrol, Quercetin
Posted by: despondent | Jul 27 2024 13:04 utc | 322
I will add one to that list, one which largely obviates the need for the list: just eat beef and nothing else. In the main.
I can vouch for it in my own case.
Is all.
Perhaps add the aspirin cancer thing. Something about one aspirin a day being a preventative I think. Not sure. I take one when I remember just for the hell of it.
Bottom line we gotta go when we gotta go and the good news is the NDE accounts. check fairdinkchurch.com for instance.

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 27 2024 23:35 utc | 343

Just noticed I posted on the wrong thread
Just read that Rf has hit “facilities of the Ukrainian military industrial enterprises for the manufacture of gunpowder”, strange as it may seem there aren’t a lot in each country and it’s critical for a lot of ammo
On the other hand would someone explain why iskanders would be used in an industrial (normally no bunker to breach) facility being used as a staging ground at apparent FAB range? Waste not, want not…

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2024 23:42 utc | 344

Posted by: despondent | Jul 27 2024 15:31 utc | 326
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 27 2024 13:55 utc | 325
Thank you for each of those.
Anyone else with any knowledge/references to foreign ownership of late of Ukrainian land please tell what you can.

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 27 2024 23:43 utc | 345

Newbie@345…..as of late Russia uses the Iskander on a more regular basis, the new one with the cluster munitions is devastating, covers large area not just one spot. Not for subsurface targets, but anything on the surface gets fubar’d.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 27 2024 23:59 utc | 346

abrogard | Jul 27 2024 23:35 utc | 344
Main thing I need is prescription anti inflammatory type drugs/ immune regulators suitable for the autoimmune conditions I have. The one thing that does help is quinine bark extract but that is a chemical cocktail along with the quinine which is a known noninflammatory, the synthetic version even being prescribed for one autoimmune condition.
The side effects are near as bad as what its supposed to suppress.
Vitamin D3 is supposed help regulate the immune system and that may help marginally. I take it from time to time. Vitamins only help though if your body is low in them. Main thing I should take regularly is a balanced multi mineral supplement.
You can go to and hardware store or garden center and find a balanced fertilizer mix with the full range of minerals a plant needs in balanced proportion.
Same with livestock supplements.
Finding the same for humans? I look on the shelves and there’s just faggot yuppy cocktails of snake oils and frogs feet or whatever they put in them and happens to be the fashion.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 0:19 utc | 347

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 0:19 utc | 348 with the OT but what the heck personal stuff
For inflammation I am having good success with CBG
Check out this quote from a Pub Med article about CBG

CBG is not present only in this plant; beyond its discovery in C. sativa, it has also been found in the phytochemical profile of an extract from Helichrysum umbraculigerum, considered to be the most abundant source of CBG

The Helichrysum umbraculigerum is found mostly in South Africa, as I recall reading, but maybe you have it as well or can get it.
The Pub Med article about CBG link
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9666035/

Pre-clinical findings show that CBG reduces intraocular pressure, possesses antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-tumoral activities, and has anti-anxiety, neuroprotective, dermatological, and appetite-stimulating effects.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 28 2024 0:41 utc | 348

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 27 2024 21:45 utc | 338
What’s fascinating about modern Fire Control Systems (FCS) is, firstly how prevalent they are now, especially in NATO equipment, secondly how they reduce the impact of experienced troops. The US were surprised when they found that M1 tank gunners, using the new IFCS, regularly shot better than average (‘the so-called ‘snipers’ who were tasked with opening engagements first) only benefited by a 5% increase in accuracy, whereas the average gunners saw a 10-20% increase. Their conclusion was that better sighting systems made overall accuracy a far more consistent quantity. Ukraine therefore benefits more from such mitigating systems, given its troops have far less training, and far more access to them.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 27 2024 22:42 utc | 340
You mistake my political posts for my ones on Ukraine, which are based on my knowledge and experience, but you also took my comment out of context, as I was responding to posters who seemed to suggest a comment about my living in Israel affected my analysis of the SMO. If it soothes your ruffled brow, I’ll add the obligatory intellectual caveat, ‘I try not to bring my biases….’. As for China, they have a theoretical military capability, not a practical or proven one, where’s the bias in that?
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2024 23:14 utc | 342
‘Milites does his Milites stuff’, I like that, thanks.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 0:55 utc | 349

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 28 2024 0:41 utc | 349
I found it impressive! Thanks!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 28 2024 1:01 utc | 350

@Milites | Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:55:00 GMT | 350

As for China, they have a theoretical military capability, not a practical or proven one, where’s the bias in that?

Well that doesn’t say much. The last war China fought was over forty years ago, so it’s kind of hard to “prove” their military capability. The only nation-states that have a “proven” military capability currently, wherein they can fight a sustained interstate war with a peer competitor are Russia and Ukraine.
All other conflicts ongoing are intrastate, insurgency or civil war, which China doesn’t face. For its part, the US has not fought a peer since WWII, and the wars it has fought in since then it has fared poorly in. So in “theory” the Chinese military might be superior to the US, but it’s probably something that will, hopefully, never be “proven.”
As for your analysis of the SMO – I agree with you on a macro-level, that Russia will win, but that’s never been hard to figure out. On the micro-level, analysis, yours or anyone else’s, is mostly useless and reactive, since the war, and its tactics and strategy are constantly changing. And you’ve been plenty wrong, as have I and many other posters here. It doesn’t help that Russia and Ukraine both keep everything shrouded in secrecy, and propagandize military losses.
As for where you live, it does impact and influence one’s thinking, to the point that you said you won’t comment on Israel matters, because you lived there. An admission of bias. It may not impact your thinking on Ukraine, or it might, how are we to know? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt there, and take you at your word that it doesn’t influence you.
Even still no one is immune to biases, and your flippant remark on “…trying not to bring my biases in” is leagues better from your prior “I don’t bring them into my analysis either” as in never. I don’t care what you believe in, but I just found your latter comment arrogant, annoying, and fake. As I’ve said before I don’t pretend to be unbiased, but you apparently do… pretend that is.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2024 1:30 utc | 351

As for China, they have a theoretical military capability, not a practical or proven one, where’s the bias in that?
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2024 23:14 utc | 342
‘Milites does his Milites stuff’, I like that, thanks.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2024 0:55 utc | 350
As I’ve said before I don’t pretend to be unbiased, but you apparently do… pretend that is.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2024 1:30 utc | 352
@james, given that as you well mentioned, we work with limited info (and probably get a lot wrong) i would say that more than any bias we will have a drift from whatever data we chose and experience and intuition we have.
A part of me still thinks that the kill ratio between RF and AFU is unlikely to be lower than 6.5 but that (and no collapse ) would force me to take a population no smaller than 28 million ( or an ability to endure beyond normal ratios).
You’ll have your a priori, milites his. Bias is different, trying to interpreter for the best (of our preferred result) or worse plain lies.
Let’s take your caveat on milites on china, I have followed china’s rise (mainly PLAN) from the early 2000s when there was a nice blog called information dissemination (and after it stoped wherever I could find info )from a guy in the us navy. In numbers it’s amazing but there are a couple of elephants in the room.
There is little to no experience in the Chinese armed forces , high level generals (even chosen by xi) were compromised amd only recently purged (in areas as sensitive as rockets to boost). Finally the belt and road is not finished and even if A2/AD will probably keep the us out of the islands chain, there is still a good probability that the us can choke china at a longer distance. RF helps reducing the damage that can come from that but not nullify it (that’s why in the open topic I wanted feedback on the plenum).do I have a bias?
Personally yes, I’d rather see the us be forced to leave the rest of the world alone, but if push comes to shove (and bar WWIII that nobody here wants , Shadowban exempted) things might be trickier than we’d like.
Disclaimer, I don’t have particular military knowledge and even less experience. I’m more of a numbers /scenarios/mechanisms kind of guy, give me numbers and scenarios and I try to project… and share, with the usual caveat that it is a best effort with too many unknowns (I think it was on this thread that I mentioned the way I (once again) estimate RF kia.
@milites, let him say his peace, he doesn’t seem dishonest to me and saying you are biased is a way of letting you know he doesn’t like some things you think, and openly avow. Let clean analysis and sharing show that disagreement on or even preference bias is not an obstacle to clean exchanges.
@both we need the information (however fallible ) that the others can give, afterwards each can sieve it as he sees fit.
@all (or almost all) thank you for your contribution when given in this spirit, regardless of any disagreements

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 28 2024 2:28 utc | 352

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 28 2024 2:28 utc | 353
James M has bias towards mainstream narratives. He also tends to be naive, because he greatly underestimates the power of the underground world, (as in criminal and corruption), and of the millennia old arts of intrigue, conspiracy and deception. Overall, he trusts the authorities.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2024 4:47 utc | 353

Well, nevermind, James M. We all have our biases.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 28 2024 4:47 utc | 354

@ Peter Au
Perhaps the last thing you need is some internet stranger pitching health info. But, if nothing else, think of it as a mental break from the “fun” topics we always discuss here…. 😉
Sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_C3RIudfFw
Ignore the click-baity title/intro. It’s atypical for this guy. This video content is still good.
Other videos that perhaps provide pertinent info:
https://yandex.com/video/search?text=dr+berg+autoimmune
Also, ait might be worth trying “carnivore”, as suggested by @ abrogard | Jul 27 2024 23:35 utc | 344.

Posted by: despondent | Jul 28 2024 4:57 utc | 355

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 27 2024 20:57 utc | 335

While neglecting the needs of the sick, Mother Teresa was also called out for rubbing elbows with several wealthy — and corrupt — world leaders.
This included Haitian dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, who was eventually charged with crimes against humanity for his abuse of his fellow Haitians.
At one point, 60 Minutes released footage that showed Mother Teresa praising Duvalier’s wife Michele. In the footage, Mother Teresa said that she had “never seen the poor people being so familiar with their head of state as they were with her. It was a beautiful lesson for me”.
That wasn’t the only friendship that raised eyebrows. Mother Teresa also received US$1.25 million from her friend Charles Keating.

‘Mother’ Teresa – the real person behind the saintly facade

Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 28 2024 6:23 utc | 356

306:

“Mother Theresa devoted her entire life to caring for the poor, sick and destitute in India.
She was completely and utterly selfless in every single way. Get a grip……”

The truth is vastly different to the myth –
Mother Teresa believed the “suffering of the poor was good for the world” (her words) so she gathered terminally ill poor people in a House of the Dying and made them suffer with NO medical care (they were dying, so didn’t need it!)
Her sadistic failure of care killed people – being looked after by nuns with no medical training – including e.g. one child who could have been saved by sending to hospital, said a visiting nurse –“If we send him, we have to send them all”. So he just died. Needlessly, deliberately. Like many of her poor victims.
Faced with one inmate screaming in pain from terminal cancer (with no pain relief of course) she blissfully answered that was “just Jesus hugging you” ! Really ? Which Christian doctrine says a hug from Jesus brings indescribable pain ?
She was a thief and fraud as well – 100s of millions of $ of donations given to help the poor went dishonestly to the church. Less than 10% for her suffering victims. Donated medical equipment sat unused.
She visited London and went on a big shop at Harrods then upon reaching the register refused to pay because she was so famous ! “Don’t you know who I am ?”
Mother Teresa was a sadistic killer, and a thief, and a fraud.

Posted by: Kapyong | Jul 28 2024 7:33 utc | 357

Vitamin D3 is supposed help regulate the immune system and that may help marginally. I take it from time to time. Vitamins only help though if your body is low in them
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 0:19 utc | 348
You don’t take D3 like like that, “from time to time”. Vitamin D can be easily measured with a blood test called 25(OH)D. Even without a test, if you don’t have sun exposure you probably are on low levels anyway.
The dosage in pills will take months of daily use to raise the levels. Fish oil has about the same speed. The injectable version works quickly but you need a doctor for it.
There is a formula you can search online to calculate how much sun you need to have normal levels for at least a week. It mostly depends on skin color and the UV level that day, can be as low as 15-20 minutes for a really white skin. But you need to be dressed like for the beach, a simple walk in the park in short pants won’t work.

Posted by: rk | Jul 28 2024 8:38 utc | 358

despondent | Jul 28 2024 4:57 utc | 356 ad others offerring some thoughts – much apreacheated.
Very off topic for this thread now but anyway –
Ankylosing Spondylitis. A defenate diagnoses on that as the causes change to the spine and pelvis. Not severe,the three sections of the pelvis calcified/fused together, lower vertebrae fused to the pelvis, changes to the bone in the upper spine.
People with ankylosing spondylitis are also likely to have 1) juvenile spondylitis which inflammation of knees ankles ect in early teens. I had that but never ‘officially’ diagnosed as at the time it was not described in the medical literature.
2) at a later age, many develop Crohns disease -inflammation of the large intestine sometime to the point of bleeding. I 100% have that but diagnosed.
3)The Australian arthritis foundation say many with AS cannot eat citrus or it should be avoided – why don’t the dumb fcks just say citric acid intolerance and be done with it.
I now know I have had citric acid intolerance all my life but it has become more severe as I aged. A/S is hereditary, citric acid intolerance is hereditary.
That puts virtually all fruit and veg out.
Just to make thing a little worse to understate it – back about 2007 I developed mammal allergy from tick bite. unknown at the time by medical literature But know well described and although first described by an Australian medical researcher, now US medical has a far better understanding of it than Australian medical.
That puts all mammal products out. A mammal is any animal whatsoever that raises its young with milk.
On top of that is E471. made synthetically as an emulsifier, it occurs naturally and at times high amounts in seed and nut oils. All nuts and oil seeds are out.
That leaves just poultry, fish, reptiles ect plus some cereal grains.
But a problem there also. I have to be very careful of fat and oil intake as that can trigger histamine headache which is similar to migraine headache but possible more severe.
Oily fish,baked or grilled is enough to trigger it, so form me it is basically boiled or steamed fish and boiled/steamed skin chicken cooked long enough to leach most of the oils out.
I never get colds or flues but various normal chemical compounds in normal foods do cause my immune system to run amok and the only thing that will help is chemical compounds that help regulate or moderate the immune system.
I do need a good well balanced mineral and vitamin supplement to make up for my limited diet and just functioning digestive system but that is near impossible to find. With animal husbandry and gardening that sort of thing is everywhere but for humans ??
Due to the way our metabolism works, it is far better to have a full and balanced supplement of every mineral and vitamin that we must obtain from food rather than just trying find the correct dose of this and that single items. That is both my experience with animal husbandry and also by using myself as a guinea pig for testing various doses of various supplements.
There is just so much in medical science yet it is as degraded like every other institution here in the west.
Herbal medicine can be good, but its a very hit and miss affair, to be to correctly identify a disease and then a plant or whatever containing chemical compounds require to mitigate ore cure the condition… Medical science can, not that it always does, correctly identified the problem then match the chemical compound in correct amounts to that condition.
The quackery that masquerades as GPs and whatever other useless creds Pfizer ‘science’ I hate it with a passion like the rest of this rotten collapsing system called the west – the recent family event debauchery in Paris very much a showcase of the pinnacle of western ‘values’.
Those programmed monkeys that are now the face of the medical profession, the tattoed punks strutting around with guns on their hips now now pass as police officers – just part of this whole rotten and crumbling system we watch and comment on here every day.
It gets to me a bit at times watching all this crap and being able to do nothing more than just sit here when I had always led an active life.
Best to leave my health stuff at this as its a long way of topic, so thanks again for offering various thoughts/tips ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 12:10 utc | 359

The thread looks calm, let’s see if we can discuss some older stuff (almost 2 weeks ago)
We all know that Seymour Hersh is lately a way to know what SOME of the CIA want to convey.
“Yes, Putin initiated the war in Ukraine, but there are many in the foreign policy world here and in Europe who believed that he might not have done so had the White House earlier authorized Blinken to assure Putin that Ukraine would not become a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. NATO begins a seventy-fifth anniversary meeting today in Washington and, according to a predictable announcement to the press, it “will focus on ways to reassure Ukraine of NATO’s enduring support.”
Despite some early losses, Russia, with its advantage in air and ground forces, is now dominating the war and, despite scant interest in Washington, there are serious peace talks going on. A senior American official told me that Putin “has what he wants” in Ukraine and delayed an all-out assault on Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city, while a possible settlement is being negotiated, with no known direct involvement of the crisis-ridden White House. ”
So yes, the narrative is beginning to change and two things seem clear, TPTB know they lost a war they started and are eager to drop ukraine from nato and let RF take what it has gained.
They also seem to think, or try to convey, that Putin might be willing to play ball.
I’m not really sure if this should be on this thread, as US trying to discard ukraine , or in the open thread as a psyop trying to scare china with a possible defection by the RF.
Please present critics and comments for and against each argument (or any other you might have)

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 28 2024 12:24 utc | 360

Newbie | Jul 28 2024 12:24 utc | 361
The SMO gives Putin time. He doesn’t need to negotiate yet. What is he “waiting” for? The collapse or retreat of the US monetary hold on the world. The budgetary collapse of the EU or American support for NATO.
Who pays in the end, and can they really afford it? (See Orban’s comments, among others)
The BRICS have now agreed and have apparently launched their alternative to SWIFT, to a loud silence from the outside world. Saudi Arabia is going all in towards that side of the world, as even South America tries to join a more stable political future. So the Middle East will follow the Saudi’s, not the “waste”.
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New physical movements of ships and planes by Russia and China combined, (deliberately so) are opening up the prospect that the US will find itself “surrounded”! The delocalization of US forces to Australia (New and improved bases in Darwin) shows that they are now having to stretch their forces across the world to retain influence. (or simply to keep them out of range of drones?) That cannot really be sustainable, even if the Pentagon lies all the time (You do know that they are officially “allowed” to lie about anything, whatever)
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One main point against a “truce” is what Blackrock, Vanguard, Cargill etc, expect to get out of it. Either, they sell rehypothecated “shares” to “suckers”, (read the EU, UN nations, etc.) or try to get some longer term form of profit from their “rights” to land and assets. Which they would want if they manage to be bailed out by the belligerents or onlookers.
Probably a non-starter. Particularly if they had thought of getting their hands on the Russian billions (300), or the later “reconstruction” business. (Too many takers and hands outstretched, methinks)
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Putin is probably having a lot of “fun” just saying nothing and appreciating the mounting confusion in the unserried ranks of the waste.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 28 2024 13:07 utc | 361

Re: Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 28 2024 13:07 utc | 362

The SMO gives Putin time. He doesn’t need to negotiate yet. What is he “waiting” for? The collapse or retreat of the US monetary hold on the world. The budgetary collapse of the EU or American support for NATO.

You are absolutely right. There is no point Putin negotiating anything at the moment with the clownshow in Washington DC – Biden, Harris, Blinken & Sullivan!
These jokers are worthless and useless idiots.
There is no chance he would even bother negotiating with them.
Assuming President Trump is elected in November and comes back to power in January (or even if it ends up being Vance if they manage “to get” Trump) – that is when negotiations will actually start.
Time is running short on this conflict which will be over by Jan/Feb/Mar 2025.
President Trump is due to re-take office on January 20, 2025 –
January 20 is 175 days away – under 6 months and exactly 25 weeks.
Not much longer to go in this conflict and it won’t spin out of control between now and then.
Whatever territory Russia wants it better get a move on and take it. Time is running short.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 28 2024 13:42 utc | 362

Pokrovskoye direction: the liberation of most of Novoselovka Pervaya and the aggravation of the defense crisis of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
The situation as of 16:00 on July 28, 2024
The defense crisis of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Pokrovsky direction continues to worsen: over the past days, Russian troops have advanced significantly on both the northern and southern flanks. While passions are boiling in the enemy’s information space and the search for those responsible for the loss of new positions, the attack aircraft of the RF Armed Forces are gradually approaching the liberation of several more settlements.
At the Tymofeevka-Zhelanne line, Russian troops liberated Lozovatskoye and are now advancing in the vicinity of settlements. To the south, a section of the C050913 highway between Lozovatskoye and Progress and several forest belts to the west of it came under the control of the RF Armed Forces. Recently, a video was circulated on the Web in which attack aircraft captured a stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the northern part of this section of the road, which confirms our information about its occupation by Russian troops.
Southwest of Progress, the RF Armed Forces, after several days of fighting, captured Volchy and are now developing an offensive along the railway towards the Zhelannoye station. According to some information, the assault groups have already reached the eastern outskirts of Vesele, as well as the extreme forest belts in front of Zhelanne, which is about one kilometer away. Enemy positions in both villages are actively processed by Russian aviation and artillery, while Russian UAV crews are hunting for the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
So far, Russian troops are moving around the main defensive lines of the enemy, gradually enveloping them from the north. After the liberation of Zhelanny, several large enemy strongholds east of the village will be under the threat of encirclement, which, in the event of a frontal assault, could cause a lot of inconvenience to the RF Armed Forces. On the section from Vesely to Sergeevka, the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are also equipped, in front of which the fields of “dragon’s teeth” are lined up. In the future, for a further offensive to the west, Russian troops will have to overcome this line.
The battles for Novoselivka Pervaya, which began more than a week ago, are coming to an end. On July 24, soldiers of the 114th brigade of the RF Armed Forces published a video with the Victory banner waving in the southwestern part of the settlement, which indicates the occupation of most of it. However, according to preliminary data, the village has already been completely liberated by Russian troops, along with a wide section of the front to the south, up to the Umanskoye-Yasnobrodovka line.
The trend towards the deterioration of the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Pokrovsky direction continues: the enemy, even despite active counterattacks, is unable to stabilize the situation. Ukrainian formations also complain about the increased activity of Russian drones in the vicinity of Pokrovsk, which leads to serious losses in vehicles and armored vehicles.
In several key areas at once, the RF Armed Forces achieve success and bypass the enemy’s powerful defensive positions, creating a threat of their encirclement. So far, the further actions of the command of the RF Armed Forces and their strategic goal remain unclear to us and, probably, to the enemy. Whether it will be Pokrovsk or a turn to the south in the direction of Selidovo – Ukrainsk, we will find out in the near future.
https://t.me/rybar/62178

Posted by: guest | Jul 28 2024 14:05 utc | 363

Vitamin D
Well, Peter thinks I am in general an idiot but I’ll throw this out anyway.
In spite of buckets of propaganda it is really hard to overdose on D. When discovered in 1920s they had no idea what dosage was so they tried a small amount, an avoirdupois grain daily. Which comes to 2.5 million international units on curent measure. That caused problems in a matter of months. So they tried half a grain, about 1.25 million units and it would take two or three years for that to cause problems. There are any number of unintentional experiments where the tech fortifying the milk could not do arithmetic and dosed all the customers with a hundred times what was intended – and nothing bad happens.
Amount of D from sun exposure is variable with latitude, time of day, time of year. In tropics and living out of doors it would be possible to get hundreds of thousands of units a day. At northern European latitudes you will get little or nothing most of year.
Many random factors limit how much D is absorbed. One of the very bad ones is glyphosate in your food, which scavenges and blocks D. You can attempt to limit uptake of glyphosate, won’t eliminate it. Only way to cope is to just take a lot of D.
The only people who should not be supplementing with D are those with granulomas and sarcomas. They may be producing millions of units all on their own metabolism. In that case the 5 or 10 thousand a day being used as a supplement is a drop in the bucket and doesn’t cause much harm but is unnecessary. Everyone else should either be outdoors, a lot, or should supplement with D. Or both.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 28 2024 14:59 utc | 364

Well, Peter thinks I am in general an idiot but I’ll throw this out anyway.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 28 2024 14:59 utc | 365
You also post a lot of good stuff. Depends on subject.
Wrong thread so I won’t but on this subject I could throw in a few thoughts and get more of yours.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 15:09 utc | 365

The SMO gives Putin time. He doesn’t need to negotiate yet. What is he “waiting” for?
Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 28 2024 13:07 utc | 362
Putin’s been ready to negotiate from day 1 of the SMO. He already came to one agreement in April 2022 which was scuttled by BoJO. Putin laid out his opening position a couple of months ago butm he got no response from the other side. In fact he’s been trying to negotiate a settlement to this with Minsk I and II as well as a letter to NATO laying out his terms just prior to the SMO … its Zelensky under the council of the Anglo-Americans who are refusing to talk … he even made it illegal for a Ukrainian to even talk the the Russian government.
What you see as “Putin going slow” is in fact the Russian army working a plan. The Russians set out a 2 phase plan in Feb 2023 with the first phase being to reduce the Russian military’s potential while preserving their men which could last for up to 2.5 years followed by an “exploitation phase” which is what the buildup of those massive reserve armies that Russia has sitting in Belarus, Kharkov and Zaparozhia regions is all about.
The Russians are busy on the front with probing attacks and recon in force looking for weak points in the line. When they have the Ukrainians sufficiently reduced they can use their ‘exploitation force” however the Russians aren’t stupid … if they can meet their objectives by negotiation they’ll do that rather than send they youth to the slaughter.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 28 2024 15:19 utc | 366

Stonebird | Jul 28 2024 13:07 utc | 362
Lavrov accepting the challenge of hybrid war. And that is what you write about in that comment.
Ukraine is the centerpiece, the catalyst, to the formation of the multi-polar world and so I watch it. The building of the new world order is a little slower that I hoped at first, but as I watch, it is being built to last.
The post WWII order was built anglo/european centric, but the new is truly multi-polar.
In Ukraine, Russia has demonstrated the emperor is naked. The bear just sits there frontlines hardly moving as it knows the enemy will come to it, and whatever US/Nato throws at it, the just swats it down and does not react to bee stings.
Considering the internet is a very recent thing, being able to watch this in real time….
I’ve read a lot of history and the history of the western world is the history of war, but this is something else, being played out under the shadow of the thermonuke.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 15:25 utc | 367

Posted by: Julian | Jul 28 2024 13:42 utc | 363
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I may be wrong but my feeling is that Putin and Xi will put Trump in his place.
Leader of a degenerate and failing civilization.
I do not understand why so many seemingly intelligent Americans think Trump has the election sewn up. Trump’s record vs the Deep State has been very one-sided, and not in his favor.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 15:38 utc | 368

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 28 2024 15:19 utc | 367
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We know Putin wants to constitutionally prohibit Naziism in Ukraine and that Ukraine never becomes a forward NATO base.
Let’s say he gets the Donbass (now Russia proper) liberated.
What do you think that he does about Finland, Sweden, and Norway becoming new NATO vectors?
The Nazi problem may be the easiest to solve. The NATO problem is much bigger.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 15:43 utc | 369

https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16676

Quite routinely, according to the laws of development of military equipment, science and military art, FPV drones confidently crossed the 15-kilometer line of operation. This refers to the average distance to which drones fly en masse, although for now this concerns the enemy. Plus to this are attacks by pseudo-swarms, but in six months this will already be a full-fledged swarm, with elements of artificial intelligence.
In fact, the range of FPV drones has already been compared with artillery, and given the fact that the artillery has to be placed quite far from the LBS for operation, in some cases drones already surpass the gods of war in range. This allows them to conduct quite effective counter-battery combat, terrorizing the positions of both barrel and self-propelled artillery.
I repeat once again, all this concerns the enemy to a greater extent, we are still lagging behind the hohol in the component of FPV drones and tactics of their use, and for him now this is the main type of weapon. The enemy’s unmanned battalions and regiments are quite well thought out and are used within the framework of a common plan, with all other branches of the military becoming auxiliary, the entire task of which is to ensure the most effective use of drones.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 28 2024 15:56 utc | 370

What do you think that he does about Finland, Sweden, and Norway becoming new NATO vectors?
The Nazi problem may be the easiest to solve. The NATO problem is much bigger.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 15:43 utc | 370
All that means is were back to 1986 again … Pershing II’s vs SS-20’s. One day soon, when all the hysteria over the Russians invading Europe is over, the Fins are going to wake up to find that hosting US nuclear weapons doesn’t make them more secure … it makes them ground zero.
It’s the same situation as 1986 except this time China is on the side of the Russians and the USA is not the power it was in 1986, in fact Germans are already expressing their displeasure over the plan to base US missiles in Germany. We’re 2.5 years into the SMO and we’re already seeing cracks in EU solidarity against Russia. Hopefully those cracks widen as governments get turfed out and if not then we all get smoked.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 28 2024 16:42 utc | 371

I may be wrong but my feeling is that Putin and Xi will put Trump in his place.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2024 15:38 utc | 369
China just came out of a century and a half dark age. They’re treated by the west like an emerging nation but that’s a mistake … they have thousands of years of statecraft to draw upon. It’s the Anglo-Americans who are new to this game and I think the Chinese are about to show the USA how it’s done.
Russia is in a similar situation. They finally dusted themselves off from the lost century due to throwing off the Tsar and are finding their feet as a state.
Trump is an excellent pitchman. The problem is he can’t deliver what he’s selling. He can’t bring manufacturing back to the USA simply because in most cases China controls the base supply chains of just about everything they make. Over the last 30 years they’ve been quietly buying up mines, ore refineries and transportation infrastructure all over the world.
This is the difference between a 300 year old empire and a 3000 year old empire. The Chinese have done this before or had it done to them. They know that controlling things of real value trumps fiat.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 28 2024 17:19 utc | 372

Peter AU and Vit D folks
The American Endocrinology Society has be recommending blood levels of vitamin D for children and adults to be between 40 and 60 ng/mL since around 2010/2011. This is because they understand that Vit D effects the immunological system and cerebral functioning
and not just bone development. The minimum limits I have heard are around 40 ng/mL for basic immunological functioning and 50 To 60 for cerebral functioning.
One of the major promoters of higher standards for Vitamin D is Dr Lesile Matthew’s. He was chief of trauma surgery at Grady Hospital in Atlanta for years. His involvement with Vitamin D began when he tried to find out why his black American patients didn’t respond as well to trauma treatments as his white American patients. Being a black American himself he ruled out disparity of treatment. Then one day an Endocrinologist was called to assess one of his black patients. The Endocrinologist took one look at the blood work and said thus guys Vit D level is almost zero. Dr Mathews was puzzled and asked why that was important. The Endocrinologist explained that aside from bones Vit D was important for immunological and cerebral functioning. The light came on for Dr Matthew’s and he understood why his black stroke patients weren’t responding as well to treatment. Essentially darker skin color absorb less sunlight and make less Vitamin D so their blood levels were typically lower. Another thing he observed was that you can have normal blood levels before an infection and near zero after it takes hold.
Below is a website link for Dr Matthew’s. There is more information there than can be reasonably summarized. During Covid Dr Matthew’s was going all around with his message on Vitamin D ( Radio, TV, podcasts, talks to FDA and CDC, etc). Not much official or main stream media chatter on it.
Let me know if this link is functional. Just copied didn’t test.
https://vitamindwiki.com/Vitamin+D,+trauma,+and+blacks+-+Dr.+Matthews+interview+with+transcript+-+Jan+2019

Posted by: Jerr | Jul 28 2024 23:46 utc | 373

@UWDude | Sun, 28 Jul 2024 04:47:00 GMT | 354

James M has bias towards mainstream narratives.

No, I have a bias toward evidence, empirical specifically. Every single conspiracy will eventually be exposed. Someone will always, always talk. You mention the “underground.” Look how many criminal gangs, cartels, and mafia families have been undone by rats. Show me hard evidence of this big, bad deep state conspiracy and I may rethink my position.
But in my research and experience with these issues- the bigger the conspiracy, the harder it will fall, and fail. This is why political assassins are almost always lone wolves and novices.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 7:44 utc | 374

@Newbie | Sun, 28 Jul 2024 02:28:00 GMT | 353

Disclaimer, I don’t have particular military knowledge and even less experience.

That’s evident. You should understand what A2/AD really means. One thing you also failed to mention is political will. Any war fought between China and the US will be over Taiwan. China sees Taiwan as part of it. They will go to great lengths to keep Taiwan a part of China. The US doesn’t care one way or the other about Taiwan.
Oh, American policy-makers talk a good game, and maybe they will send a token force – some Marines from Okinawa and Guam, a naval task force maybe, some bombers. But their hearts aren’t going to be in it. If necessary, China can throw an eight million man army against the renegade island, and overwhelm it by sheer force of numbers.
The US will eventually back off rather than escalate, and Taiwan will be China’s once again. Simply because China has more will to take Taiwan than the US has to protect it. This is a fundamental aspect of warfare.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 7:58 utc | 375

@HB_Norica | Sun, 28 Jul 2024 17:19:00 GMT | 373

Trump is an excellent pitchman. The problem is he can’t deliver what he’s selling.

This is absolutely correct, with the one caveat that Trump simply doesn’t care if he delivers or not. The real sell is himself being President (once again) so he can do deals that benefit himself. He could care less about his followers, once he’s elected.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 8:00 utc | 376

Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 7:44 utc | 375
I think that is just wrong. Look how long it took for the world to know of the UK intelligence centre at (forgotten name B*** Park) where enigma was carried out and other things. Those people kept the secret for 50+ years.
Moreover anyone who has the slightest hint of a slip up may find themselves in a fatal accident.
Also any competent conspiracy will use many people who have no idea what is going on and won’t know it is a conspiracy.
You really do not need too many in the know, especially if it can be re-badged as a stuff up.
Let’s look at how many would need to know if there really was a conspiracy to kill trump.
1. the patsy – dead men cannot talk
2. Someone who made sure there was no security on the patsy roof – could be just one person who cave an order and a lot of fools who followed it.
2. Same person who ensured no security on some other place that the real shot came from
3. The actual shooter
So actually only three people with at least one dead. There may have been others but like Henry II they only had to say “can someone rid me of the terrible man” and the job is done. But total deniability – wishing someone dead doesn’t make you guilty in a court anyway.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 29 2024 8:08 utc | 377

@watcher | Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:08:00 GMT | 378

I think that is just wrong. Look how long it took for the world to know of the UK intelligence centre at (forgotten name B*** Park) where enigma was carried out and other things. Those people kept the secret for 50+ years.

There’s a difference between declassifying specific information, and keeping it super-secret so no one ever knows about it. Bletchley Park was an open secret even during the war. All the details about it were not declassified until the 1970s – so only forty, not fifty years, after. Also, intelligence is compartmentalized, only certain people know certain things – this along with classifying information protects what is called sources and methods, the tradecraft of intelligence.
But you and others here seem to infer that intelligence agencies grow beyond their purported mission statement and launch vast conspiracies to, do what exactly is unclear – control the populace, keep power, keep Trump away from power, whatever. This despite the fact that there is Congressional oversight of the US Intelligence Community. And also the fact that the IC has a hard time keeping anything secret – Bay of Pigs, Iran-contra, Surveillance, Air America, etc.
The job of an (American) intelligence agency is to observe and report, not to control. They usually muck things up when they try to control.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 23:02 utc | 378

@watcher | Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:08:00 GMT | 378

You really do not need too many in the know, especially if it can be re-badged as a stuff up.
Let’s look at how many would need to know if there really was a conspiracy to kill trump.
1. the patsy – dead men cannot talk
2. Someone who made sure there was no security on the patsy roof – could be just one person who cave an order and a lot of fools who followed it.
2. Same person who ensured no security on some other place that the real shot came from
3. The actual shooter
So actually only three people with at least one dead. There may have been others but like Henry II they only had to say “can someone rid me of the terrible man” and the job is done. But total deniability – wishing someone dead doesn’t make you guilty in a court anyway.

I always like looking at Occam’s Razor to see if there is a simpler explanation to a problem or issue. So we have two competing scenarios on the Trump assassination attempt:
1. A disturbed, isolated loner, who wanted to make a name for himself, with easy access to weapons and basic understanding of how to operate them, who exploited a security loophole, and got off some shots before being terminated.
2. A conspiracy of three or more individuals, some with intimate knowledge of Trump’s security arrangements, and with fanatical hatred of Trump, who would have to expend man-hours in searching for the right “patsy”, to make sure whoever they recruited did not flip on them, or get cold feet.
It would have to be someone local, with access to guns, young, unattached, no kids, no wife, and be willing to sacrifice their life to do that, all without speaking to anyone else about it. How many people fit that profile within a hundred square miles of that town in PA? Maybe not that many. But it takes time to recruit someone in that fashion – several months at least. How long was the Butler, PA event planned for, when was it announced? Probably not for as long as it would take to enlist the “patsy.”
Finally, there would be a paper trail – phone logs, emails, snippets of conversation, government vehicle mileage logged. If these were government officials, as you infer, then everything they do is scrutinized. Could they slip through the cracks? Maybe, for a short time, but eventually they will be caught. Someone will remember something, they won’t remember to wipe a certain hard drive, or who they talked to. And even if they did, forensics can find out.
You can believe whatever you want, but there’s no evidence of a vast, or any, conspiracy on the Trump assassination attempt. You infer, without evidence, that because Trump says (but doesn’t follow up on in policy) certain things that make segments of the populace and government angry, certain members of the government plotted his assassination to prevent his return to the presidency. It’s farfetched to be sure.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 23:29 utc | 379

@Newbie | Sun, 28 Jul 2024 02:28:00 GMT | 353
Disclaimer, I don’t have particular military knowledge and even less experience.
That’s evident. You should understand what A2/AD really means. One thing you also failed to mention is political will. Any war fought between China and the US will be over Taiwan. China sees Taiwan as part of it. They will go to great lengths to keep Taiwan a part of China. The US doesn’t care one way or the other about Taiwan.
Oh, American policy-makers talk a good game, and maybe they will send a token force – some Marines from Okinawa and Guam, a naval task force maybe, some bombers. But their hearts aren’t going to be in it. If necessary, China can throw an eight million man army against the renegade island, and overwhelm it by sheer force of numbers.
The US will eventually back off rather than escalate, and Taiwan will be China’s once again. Simply because China has more will to take Taiwan than the US has to protect it. This is a fundamental aspect of warfare.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 7:58 utc | 376
You mentioned “Simply because China has more will to take Taiwan than the US has to protect it. This is a fundamental aspect of warfare.” I believe the US cannot enter a full blown war (and china’s A2AD seems to be enough to keep them at bay and even hit them farther depending on the particular Dongfeng, submarines and planes are a secondary element ) but US can try to choke china, a blockade at a distance might be too much for china at the current stage.
P.S. Talking of political will, Okinawa is currently under US rule and as the population is mainly (genetically) Han… that can become an issue sooner or later.
They usually muck things up when they try to control.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2024 23:02 utc | 379
That they do, but might i remind you Hoover’s FBI?

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 29 2024 23:44 utc | 380

@Newbie | Mon, 29 Jul 2024 23:44:00 GMT | 381

That they do, but might i remind you Hoover’s FBI?

And what happened there? Lots of reforms to rein in the FBI and prevent the re-rise of a megalomaniac like Hoover. And the FBI under Hoover hardly had carte blanche to do whatever it wanted.

but US can try to choke china, a blockade at a distance might be too much for china at the current stage.

Yes, because a naval blockade at a distance against a land power, with access to markets by land (Russia, SE Asia, Central Asia) is going to work. What do you think the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is designed to do? Or BRICS for that matter? To circumvent US control. A blockade against China will have about as much success as sanctions against Russia.

Talking of political will, Okinawa is currently under US rule and as the population is mainly (genetically) Han… that can become an issue sooner or later.

I know Okinawa intimately well. It isn’t under US rule, it reverted back to Japan in the 1970s. There are a lot of American military personnel there, although within a few years about half the Marines are going to be rotated out to Guam, Hawaii, Australia, and the Philippines. The main issue for China is the Kadena air base where bombers can fly from.
As for the Okinawan people, yes there’s no love lost between them and the Tokyo government. Their indigenous language was stamped out (or at least attempted) by the Japanese imperialists. The older generations still preserve it and speak it, and hand it down to the younger generations as they can. They celebrate Shimi which is similar to the Chinese Qingming, and not prevalent on the mainland. So while, ethnically and politically they aren’t really aligned with the rest of Japan (sort of like how Hawaii is not related to the mainland US), they are also incredibly pacifist.
The only way for them to affect any real change, such as unilaterally declare independence, is through armed revolution, or the backing of a powerful patron. But I don’t see either scenario happening in the near future. Going back to will, the Okinawans lack it. The war, WWII, impacted the people profoundly. Every year they commemorate the end of the Battle of Okinawa with solemn ceremonies. They don’t want to see a return to that, so they meekly accept what the Tokyo government tells them, which is to host American military bases – despite the rapes (another one recently) the murders, and all the other bad behavior.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 30 2024 1:35 utc | 381

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 28 2024 14:59 utc | 365
Concerning Vit D. It was much in the news in Covid days and I followed it a lot.
Mysterious anomalies in findings: no one with sufficient vit D got covid yet giving Vit D did not fix it?
Why?
Turns out you need I think it is Vit K to enable Vit D to work properly.
Vit D from sunlight you also get Vit K (if that’s the right one). Vit D from pills you don’t.
Hence utterly important, really, to get out in the sun at best times ( 10:00 a.m to 3pm. I think, when sun has altitude).
Hence govt deliberately killed people by keeping them out of the sun, telling them to stay home, keeping patients inside.
I suggest Vit D + K AND sun. Mainly sun.
And I suggest strip the diet down to only beef. Definitely shun carbohydrates, our modern wheat particularly and sugar.
And avoid alcohol. And coffee etc. Just water. Beef (chicken etc. all high on introduced hormones and antibiotics), grass fed for preference.
And see how you go. If you start to improve it was a diet problem. Add things back in as you wish slowly and find the culprit/s.
You will (normally, i.e. normal physiology without special susceptibilities) come to no harm whatever on simple Beef diet. You can flourish on it. A good plain, simple platform from which to experiment, look around and see what in your environment, your foods, is doing you harm.

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 30 2024 3:19 utc | 382

This is the difference between a 300 year old empire and a 3000 year old empire. The Chinese have done this before or had it done to them. They know that controlling things of real value trumps fiat.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 28 2024 17:19 utc | 373
not disputing but just wondering. Where/when did China practice thousands or even hundreds of years of statecraft? When you’re a settled hegemonic empire within your own sphere as China is surely the years roll by and you’ve no need to do anything but crush enemies as they pop up, if they pop up? Isn’t it little places like, say, Hungary, that need to practice statecraft? Or maybe Russia with many ethnicities of some important giving the relative population sizes and considering religion, too. Where China can crush any minority within itself at any time as sees no threat from any religion despite he alarm the westerners keep trying to raise.

Posted by: abrogard | Jul 30 2024 3:26 utc | 383