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July 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-175
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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“confirm the figure of 400 thousand dead and wounded military personnel. It turns out we spent twice as much money on payments to the dead than on providing the living military!” Posted by: rk | Jul 25 2024 22:26 utc | 201 There is no way 400k are “dead AND wounded”, that is simply very retarded propaganda, so dumb it may be written from UK. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 25 2024 22:43 utc | 202 It would be wonderful for Russia to link up with Hungary and the Balkans for trade but how? It looks like a restatement of linking up with Transnistria and cutting off Odessa. Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 25 2024 22:48 utc | 203 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 25 2024 22:26 utc | 201 Posted by: Milites | Jul 25 2024 23:40 utc | 204 @LoveDonbass | Thu, 25 Jul 2024 22:26:00 GMT | 201
That’s because Trump doesn’t care about the bureaucracy, aka the “deep state”. It makes for a good talking point amongst the slack-jawed who don’t understand how bureaucracies work, but no president will ever do anything about it. Trump is only good at one thing – self-promotion, which he’s very good at. He’s a slick, smooth-talking real estate agent, a jacked-up salesman, a con man. Posted by: James M. | Jul 25 2024 23:46 utc | 205 Eighthman | Jul 25 2024 22:48 utc | 204 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 23:56 utc | 206 @Newbie | Thu, 25 Jul 2024 22:43:00 GMT | 203
I don’t know about that. The number Putin quotes is already incredibly high. Given that the two sides are at parity in terms of forces, I don’t know how Ukraine could sustain five or six times the losses of Russia without their lines completely collapsing. A 2:1 disparity would be significant enough. Posted by: James M. | Jul 25 2024 23:58 utc | 207 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 25 2024 22:26 utc | 201 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 26 2024 0:07 utc | 208 James M. | Jul 25 2024 23:58 utc | 208 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 0:09 utc | 209 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 0:09 utc | 210 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 26 2024 0:17 utc | 210 Posted by: James M. | Jul 25 2024 23:46 utc | 206 Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2024 0:21 utc | 211 Milites | Jul 25 2024 23:40 utc | 205 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 0:22 utc | 212 @Peter AU1 | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 00:09:00 GMT | 210
Parity: the quality or state of being equal or equivalent. Ukraine has roughly 500,000-550,000 troops on the frontline. Russia has roughly the same number. That’s called parity. Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 0:27 utc | 213 @Peter AU1 | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 00:09:00 GMT | 210
I said nothing about firepower. I said parity of forces. Force (military): a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose. Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 0:29 utc | 214 @Milites | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 00:21:00 GMT | 212
Can you name seven bureaucrats in the US bureaucracy without looking them up? Not political appointees at the upper echelons, but actual bureaucrats? Can you name five? Can you name one? There are over five million employees of the federal government, double that for state and local. Are they all “deep state”? Or are they just normal folk who dedicate their lives to public service? True government jobs are stable, and sometimes less stressful than the private sector, but there are many in the government who do enjoy public service.
Jury’s still out on the election. With Biden out of the race, and Harris energizing the black vote, Trump’s chances are real slim. Trump is who he is – an undisciplined self-promoter, who leaves a wake of destruction wherever he goes. Many Americans see that. Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 0:40 utc | 215 Posted by: James M. | Jul 25 2024 23:46 utc | 206 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 26 2024 0:42 utc | 216 I said nothing about firepower. I said parity of forces. Force (military): a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 0:46 utc | 217 Russian Gas
https://caliber.az/en/post/256505/ Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 26 2024 0:51 utc | 218 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 25 2024 20:07 utc | 183 “None unless they’re suicidal :D” Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 26 2024 1:42 utc | 219 I guess they are suicidal. Videos out there now of them doing it. It is a one time deal or will they keep it up. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 1:47 utc | 220 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 0:09 utc | 210 Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 26 2024 1:48 utc | 221 Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 26 2024 1:48 utc | 222 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 26 2024 2:15 utc | 222 Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 0:40 utc | 216 Posted by: snake | Jul 26 2024 2:33 utc | 223 @Newbie | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 00:46:00 GMT | 218
It’s quite possible to have blind firing. Why keep firing artillery if you do have a high kill ratio? And if there is such a high kill ratio why do Russian infantry and armor still run into resistance from the UAF when they try to advance? There should be gaping holes in the Ukrainian defense. Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 2:39 utc | 224 @snake | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:33:00 GMT | 224
It’s helpful if you can write in clearer English, but this point is probably the most salient thing you wrote. That’s just it, Trump isn’t a leader, not a real leader anyway. He’s similar to a cult leader. He loves himself, and craves the adulation of the Trumpers, so he tells them what they want to hear. But he’s not going to lead them anywhere. Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 2:53 utc | 225 @ James M. | Jul 26 2024 2:39 utc | 225
This is a high intensity low density attrition conflict. The country is gigantic, allowing reserve troops the luxury to spread out. Few troops are stationed near contact line spread in smaller pockets still. Despite medium and long range strike advantage, it takes time to kill soldiers so dispersed. Posted by: boneless | Jul 26 2024 2:59 utc | 226 Sometime I am not sure why the knuckled dragging lesser primate impersonations of humans address something to me, but whatever rocks their boat and tickles their goolies I guess. Everyone to their own. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 2:59 utc | 227 I am curious to knowif the Hungarian population suppports the slaughter in Ukr? They have a 100,000 Hungarian minority, fully incorporated in the army too, there. Posted by: Minaa | Jul 26 2024 3:04 utc | 228 Melaleuca | Jul 26 2024 0:51 utc | 219 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 3:14 utc | 229 My above post 230. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 3:25 utc | 230 And if not why doesnt Orban exit the EU? Posted by: Passerby | Jul 26 2024 4:03 utc | 231 @boneless | Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:59:00 GMT | 227
So troops that are dispersed are more difficult to kill, meaning the kill ratios are not that great between Ukraine and Russia. That backs up my point that a 5:1 or higher ratio of KIA between them is difficult to believe. Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 4:05 utc | 232 @ James M. | Jul 26 2024 4:05 utc | 233 Posted by: boneless | Jul 26 2024 4:31 utc | 233 In 1942, the US did a bombing raid on Tokyo. U.S. propaganda victory; U.S. and Allies’ morale improved, Japanese industries and morale damaged. Total loss of U.S. strike force. Posted by: Passerby | Jul 26 2024 4:32 utc | 234 Harris energizing the black vote, Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 4:45 utc | 235 Are they all “deep state”? Or are they just normal folk who dedicate their lives to public service? Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 4:54 utc | 236 Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 24 2024 17:38 utc | 35 Posted by: varnel | Jul 26 2024 5:08 utc | 237 Shawarma from the Armed Forces of Ukraine: finely chopped and baked!
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 5:18 utc | 238 Budapest has announced that it will block EU aid funds to Kiev until the neo-Nazi regime resumes the transit of Russian oil to Hungary and Slovakia. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 5:22 utc | 239 Doing a good business.
It is unsurprising that dealers are willing to take advantage of trade with Russia. Increasing the risk premium with sanctions will only make the trade more profitable. Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2024 5:36 utc | 240 It is unsurprising that dealers are willing to take advantage of trade with Russia. Increasing the risk premium with sanctions will only make the trade more profitable. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 5:39 utc | 241
Pursuit of such propaganda ‘victories’ has lost Ukraine the war. Seems Western strategists are high on their own shit, theyve decided they can imagineer their way to victory. Truly imbecilic plan given circumstances. I call this a ‘Sullivan special’ for the dipshit who uses these regularly. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2024 6:04 utc | 242 The guy who made the car bomb attack in Moscow was extradited to Russia from Turkey, where he fled and was arrested. They will find a new batch of information from this one for sure. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 6:09 utc | 243 At some point the goofballs, war criminals, yes men and grasping cowards are going to have to admit defeat in Ukraine, or blow up the world. These fucking schmucks really don’t know when theyre beaten, do they? The Russian Federation will happily continue to drive inflation through the recycling of Western military technology right until everyone in the West is living in cardboard boxes. So time to get real you insipid fuckheads. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2024 6:10 utc | 244 until everyone in the West is living in cardboard boxes. So time to get real you insipid fuckheads. Posted by: jpc | Jul 26 2024 6:59 utc | 245 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 26 2024 4:32 utc | 235 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 26 2024 7:31 utc | 246 Posted by: Naive | Jul 25 2024 20:48 utc | 192 Posted by: joey_n | Jul 26 2024 7:40 utc | 247 badjoke | Jul 26 2024 7:31 utc | 247 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 7:42 utc | 248 From the quote at 241 “facilitating the illicit trade of Western technology” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 7:49 utc | 249 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 7:42 utc | 249 Posted by: jpc | Jul 26 2024 7:50 utc | 250 jpc | Jul 26 2024 7:50 utc | 251 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 7:55 utc | 251
In Russia they are called “frog-eaters” and the disdain is based upon Russia’s own experience. Well-known historical exemptions are respected though. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 26 2024 8:04 utc | 252 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 5:18 utc | 239 Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2024 8:08 utc | 253 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 5:18 utc | 239 Posted by: jpc | Jul 26 2024 8:30 utc | 254 … Truly imbecilic plan given circumstances. I call this a ‘Sullivan special’ for the dipshit who uses these regularly. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 26 2024 8:39 utc | 255 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 26 2024 7:31 utc | 247 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 26 2024 8:44 utc | 256 southfront.press/hungary-and-slovakia-react-to-ukrainian-hostility/ Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2024 9:01 utc | 258 Legitimny on the Progress encirclement. Seems the AFU command wanted them to stay to the death, but they retreated out of it anyway.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 9:14 utc | 259 unimperator | Jul 26 2024 9:14 utc | 260 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 9:30 utc | 260 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 4:45 utc Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 9:54 utc | 261 Peter AU1, Milites replied to you “.. I’ll not talk about Israel as my views, having lived in the country, are diametrically opposed to yours. ..” : Milites | Jul 25 2024 19:54 utc | 180 Posted by: Ново З | Jul 26 2024 9:57 utc | 262 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 4:54 utc | 237 Posted by: James M. | Jul 26 2024 9:57 utc | 263 Ново З | Jul 26 2024 9:57 utc | 263 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 10:05 utc | 264 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 7:42 utc | 249 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 26 2024 10:07 utc | 265 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 26 2024 5:22 utc | 240
Why don’t you find out more about a specific topic — like the EPF ???
EPF = e.g. in extreme cases such as compensation for unusable strela missles form germany Posted by: ghiwen | Jul 26 2024 10:09 utc | 266 ” He confirmed that the money blocked by the country was intended to fund the modernisation of Poland’s armed forces.” Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2024 10:37 utc | 267 youtube, Scott Ritter and Andrei Martyanov.
My transcript is imperfect; but I hope it gets the essence of what is being said. Posted by: Passerby | Jul 26 2024 10:44 utc | 268 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 10:05 utc | 265 Posted by: Milites | Jul 26 2024 11:13 utc | 269 57 vehicles attacked, less than a quarter were destroyed/damaged, Evan after an approach over open ground of over 1000 metres. Either the Russian point defence ECM is improving, or they are limiting the number of drones able to operate. Either way, if this is the case, then everything changes in the SMO. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 11:21 utc | 270 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 26 2024 8:44 utc | 257 Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 26 2024 11:26 utc | 271 in todays nazi-outlet welt.de , we get the news that the eu is “finally” giving stolen i mean frozen russian interest to the ukraine. and in finest axel springer speak, i present you the headline, untranslated:
i did that because “impartial translators” like deepl etc would give you this as the translation:
there direct translation from the german part would not be “russian runds”, but rather a more derogatory “money from russians”. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 26 2024 11:28 utc | 272 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 11:21 utc | 271 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 11:38 utc | 273 Just commented on milites numbers not being in the good news category. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 11:49 utc | 274 I read how the Russian imperator Alexander I decuded not to destroy Paris, as a revenge fir Moscow, in 1814, after Napoleon was defeated. Posted by: vargas | Jul 26 2024 11:59 utc | 275 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 11:49 utc | 275 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 11:59 utc | 276 Decent sabotage in France today. Hopefully there is plenty more of that where that came from over the next few days/weeks. Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 26 2024 12:10 utc | 277
This linear calculation makes all your previous estimates of Russian losses rather dubious. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 26 2024 12:52 utc | 278 If RUAF can locate AFU drone operators and fire support and can use long range fires to destroy them, then it won’t be available for the next 10km, etc. I don’t know what sort of solutions they have for locating FPV operators, but supposedly there is some new sort of radio locating devices coming that will be able to pinpoint their location. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 12:56 utc | 279 The duct taped DJI off the shelf drones with RPG rounds are not a panacea, and are only a bandaid on a gaping chest wound. UAF is done, stick a fork in ’em. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2024 13:23 utc | 280 Or I mean you can keep sending scarce specialist forces secretly into Ukraine to be blown to bits alongside your disappointedly shitty hardware, I am sure Russia is fine with that too. It’s called ‘know when to fold em‘ and Maerica and her retard poodles don’t seem to get it. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2024 13:28 utc | 281 unimperator@260….they left, they could have been mauled by the Russians…..they were not. Sounds like someone reached an attainable agreement at the LOCC. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 26 2024 13:43 utc | 282 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 26 2024 13:43 utc | 283 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 26 2024 13:58 utc | 283 Look a couple of points to be made here regarding some recent posts: Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 26 2024 14:07 utc | 284 Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2024 10:37 utc | 268 Posted by: ghiwen | Jul 26 2024 14:09 utc | 285 Russian militaries mistakes and inconsistent performance, sometimes on display. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 26 2024 14:19 utc | 286 Posted by: Minaa | Jul 26 2024 3:04 utc | 229
Have you never looked at a map?!? Posted by: Julian | Jul 26 2024 14:50 utc | 287 Have you never looked at a map?!? Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2024 15:02 utc | 288 This linear calculation makes all your previous estimates of Russian losses rather dubious. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 15:24 utc | 289
Assume the numbers are right, with your simple multiplication method you might as well calculate by the hour – if during the first hour of Feb 24 2022 advance, the losses were 1 per cent, that means that in 100 hours since the beginning of the SMO all the troops should be lost. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 26 2024 15:38 utc | 290 Assume the numbers are right, with your simple multiplication method you might as well calculate by the hour – if during the first hour of Feb 24 2022 advance, the losses were 1 per cent, that means that in 100 hours since the beginning of the SMO all the troops should be lost. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 16:01 utc | 291 Ukraine Weekly Update, 26th July 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-32b Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 26 2024 16:16 utc | 292
And my question is: do you calculate the overall Russian losses by simply multiplying these first week numbers by overall 120 weeks tat passed since? Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 26 2024 17:07 utc | 293 Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 26 2024 17:07 utc | 294 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 17:25 utc | 294 “This linear calculation makes all your previous estimates of Russian losses rather dubious. Posted by: Tim | Jul 26 2024 17:36 utc | 295
And I repeat my question: do you calculate the overall Russian losses by simply multiplying the first week SMO numbers by overall 120 weeks that passed since? Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 26 2024 18:28 utc | 296 And I repeat my question: do you calculate the overall Russian losses by simply multiplying the first week SMO numbers by overall 120 weeks that passed since? Posted by: Newbie | Jul 26 2024 18:56 utc | 297 It seems to be whistling past the extensive graveyards to pretend that Ukranian losses are anything other than an order of magnitude or two higher than those of the Russian Federation and that the trend is in the wrong direction for Ukraine. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 26 2024 19:15 utc | 298 Posted by: Milites | Jul 25 2024 17:31 utc | 165 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 26 2024 19:21 utc | 299 Posted by: too scents | Jul 25 2024 17:37 utc | 166 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 26 2024 19:25 utc | 300 |
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