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July 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-175
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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The statistics on destroyed Ukrainian artillery are in the range of 20-30 a day. This looks to be unsustainable. No matter how many FPVs Ukraine has, without artillery they will not be able to conduct offensive operations. Once the Russians deploy more effective anti-drone measures, the defeat of Ukraine will follow quickly. The noises Ukraine is now making about negotiations reflect the military realities sinking in. Posted by: HH | Jul 24 2024 14:33 utc | 1 With byedum gone, the Kiev pianist is left twisting in the wind. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2024 14:44 utc | 2 With byedum gone, the Kiev pianist is left twisting in the wind. Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 14:49 utc | 3 Posted by: HH | Jul 24 2024 14:33 utc | 1 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2024 14:52 utc | 4 It will make no difference who wins the November election. Both Trump and Harris will go on with the war. Harris, it means, the puppeteers of Harris, will pressure the EU in order to get some discharge for the US. Trump’s will do exactly the same thing. Trump is promising a lot of shit, but the chances he can end the war one way or another are the same chances he has to fix the descomposition of Boeing: none at all. In fact, Vance is far more aggressive against Iran than the Biden’s botchers, I cannot understand why are so many people thinking he is a good pick. I am afraid, if Trump wins, he will be “retired” some way. This guy, Vance, has to me a dejà vu like Truman or LBJ. Posted by: Worried one | Jul 24 2024 14:59 utc | 5 Back in 2022 I was reading that Russia was continuing to fulfil its gas supply contracts and continuing to supply gas via Ukraine. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 6 Ukraine folding before the election deprives him of that sale. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 24 2024 15:12 utc | 7 If Ukraine folds before the election that would knock a huge plank out of Trump’s platform… Posted by: Elber | Jul 24 2024 15:14 utc | 8 Posted by: Elber | Jul 24 2024 15:14 utc | 8 Posted by: Elber | Jul 24 2024 15:18 utc | 9 https://t.me/boris_rozhin/131108
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/131109
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 24 2024 15:24 utc | 10 Now the real problem is going to be money. Europe will not have any. Germany cut funding in half, but its economy is heading for the ditch and it was the money bags for the WHOLE EU. France is no better. UK has left. So where is the cash coming from? Posted by: Elber | Jul 24 2024 15:40 utc | 11 “Rheinmetall received an order for the construction of a ammunition plant in Ukraine from the government of Ukraine. It is expected that the production of ammunition at this enterprise in Ukraine will begin within 24 months. The cost will be betwen 100 to 500 million euros” Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2024 15:45 utc | 12 Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 24 2024 15:24 utc | 10 Posted by: Elber | Jul 24 2024 15:47 utc | 13 The person who committed a car bombing in Moscow was arrested by Turkish police. Negotiations of extradition are ongoing. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 15:49 utc | 14 From Twitter Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 24 2024 15:50 utc | 15 Chinese scientists reporting they’ve found a way to track stealth aircraft. If so there’s goes the West’s last major ace card. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2024 15:53 utc | 16
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 15:59 utc | 17
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1816142071968719341 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 16:12 utc | 18 https://berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/geopolitik/emmanuel-todd-deutschland-wird-entscheiden-ob-in-der-ukraine-frieden-einkehrt-li.2236539 Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 16:17 utc | 19 Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 14:49 utc | 3 Posted by: Milites | Jul 24 2024 16:26 utc | 20
At the rate Ukraine is losing cannon fodder – approx 60,000 per month, plus the heavy weapons being destroyed, the Ukies cannot wait too long before starting their mighty offensive. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 16:32 utc | 21 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 16:32 utc | 21 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 16:37 utc | 22 Unimperator@1612 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 24 2024 16:46 utc | 23 unimperator | Jul 24 2024 16:37 utc | 22 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 16:56 utc | 24 aristodemos | Jul 24 2024 16:46 utc | 23 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 17:09 utc | 25 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 16:56 utc | 24 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2024 17:16 utc | 26 Russian forces should seek these jets out and destroy them before they can be used in earnest. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2024 17:18 utc | 27 Has anyone seen anything about extending or renewing or negotiating news contracts? Posted by: Passerby | Jul 24 2024 17:22 utc | 28 Why are European citizens allowing the EU bigwigs to steal their children’s futures by sending billions of Euro’s to prop up a Neo-Nazi regime, who gave these EU leaders permission to steal these vast amounts of cash from their citizens. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2024 17:26 utc | 29 HB_Norica | Jul 24 2024 17:16 utc | 26 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 17:26 utc | 30 Knowing this and the Poles are still propping up a Neo-Nazi regime. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2024 17:29 utc | 31 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 16:12 utc | 18 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 24 2024 17:30 utc | 32 RF now needs to destroy in detail all oil storage and distribution facilities – no oil no logistical transportation and resupply of oil, food and ammo. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 24 2024 17:30 utc | 33 We’re not out of the woods on this NATO/Russia escalation in Ukraine – not even headed that way. It looks like the French and SAS are taking their turn poking the bear – at some point Mr. Putin’s going to get enough and then the buttons are going to get pushed: https://folkpotpourri.com/nuclear-war-hiroshima-taught-us-nothing/ Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jul 24 2024 17:34 utc | 34 “Ukraine has already lost in the current military conflict. Moreover, Russia will receive even more territories.” Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 24 2024 17:38 utc | 35 Putin made nany steategic mistakes. A. Merkel fooled hom with Minsk I and Minsk II. Posted by: vargas | Jul 24 2024 17:58 utc | 36
this is something i simply do not understand. the eu(rotards) do know that fossil fuels are needed for more then just the automotive industry etc? Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 24 2024 18:16 utc | 37 Thank you Tobias Cole @33 for your enlightened advices, it’s a good thing I’m on MoA tonight, otherwise I’d have missed the solution my staff was still looking for. Posted by: Vladimir V. Putin | Jul 24 2024 18:26 utc | 38 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 24 2024 18:16 utc | 37 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 24 2024 18:31 utc | 39 The NATO countries have no intention of leaving fossil fuels in the ground. The Guardian have a story today highlighting that. Posted by: SB | Jul 24 2024 18:40 utc | 40
thanks for that. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 24 2024 18:52 utc | 41 This is a rather good interview for the opinions it exposes. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jul 24 2024 19:15 utc | 42
https://x.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1816117955228221497 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 19:22 utc | 43 Posted by: SB | Jul 24 2024 18:40 utc | 40 Posted by: Milites | Jul 24 2024 19:22 utc | 44 Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 24 2024 17:38 utc | 35 Posted by: RandomLurker | Jul 24 2024 19:36 utc | 45 Posted by: RandomLurker | Jul 24 2024 19:36 utc | 45 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 24 2024 19:41 utc | 46 Summertime and the livin’ is easy.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 19:46 utc | 47 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 24 2024 19:41 utc | 46 Posted by: RandomLurker | Jul 24 2024 19:48 utc | 48 There has been a friendly-fire shooting incident in AFU military unit in Kharkov, 3 dead and 4 wounded. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 19:53 utc | 49 A good video of a couple of ‘mobilization’ goons getting dropped. They are trying to snatch a smaller man then a bigger bloke comes in from behind and downs both. The communities are certainly starting to look after each other and fight back. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 19:56 utc | 50 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 19:56 utc | 50 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 24 2024 20:12 utc | 51 Does not look like Putin will be done by election day or this year Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 24 2024 20:35 utc | 52 Peter AU1 @50: Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 24 2024 20:36 utc | 53 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 24 2024 20:35 utc | 52 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 20:47 utc | 54 “At the rate Ukraine is losing cannon fodder – approx 60,000 per month” Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 24 2024 21:07 utc | 55 Melaleuca | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 6 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 24 2024 21:17 utc | 56 Complete morons and liars are appearing here when it is obvious that the situation of the ukronazis is desperate. They need to propagate their lies. Thanks to some new weapons and the complete control of the sky, between 2000 and 3000 ukrainian soldiers are killed every day. Many surrender. Many do not want to be mobilised. Many are becoming partisans helping actively the Russians. Posted by: Naive | Jul 24 2024 21:19 utc | 57 William Gruff | Jul 24 2024 20:36 utc | 53 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 21:30 utc | 58 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 24 2024 21:17 utc | 56 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 21:35 utc | 59 A post by Napo Leon followed immediately by a post by Varg Ass. Coincidence? Posted by: Mike R | Jul 24 2024 21:41 utc | 60 Haye to agree with the troll, but he’s right. Ukr loss numbers are grossly inflated by RuMoD. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 21:42 utc | 61 UWDude | Jul 24 2024 21:42 utc | 61 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 22:00 utc | 62 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 24 2024 16:12 utc | 18 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 24 2024 22:06 utc | 63 It is likely Ukraine will surrender by or before the Trump inauguration. With the rolling blackouts of about ten hours and no way of restoring it, the Ukrainians are heading into a somewhat cold and dark winter. Posted by: vargas | Jul 24 2024 22:07 utc | 64 a ukie politician said they needed 30,000 new recruits per month, the head general at the time, in an interview to the economist, said they needed 20,000 new recruits per month. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:10 utc | 65 @unimperator | Jul 24 2024 16:12 utc | 18 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 24 2024 22:12 utc | 66 UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:10 utc | 65 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 22:13 utc | 67 Retire? There isn’t any demobilization after a certain time period. They are in it for the duration. It is literally a death sentence. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:16 utc | 68 Posted by: RandomLurker | Jul 24 2024 19:48 utc | 48 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 24 2024 22:22 utc | 69 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 21:42 utc | 61 Posted by: Milites | Jul 24 2024 22:26 utc | 70 UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:16 utc | 68 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 22:32 utc | 71 8. The RuMoD, like many similar organisations, don’t lie, but they also don’t correct any misconceptions they have deliberately created, are all losses counted or only those caused by direct Russian actions? If the former far more believable. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:35 utc | 72 The Berlin Wall Falls Again… Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 24 2024 22:37 utc | 73 My impression: if rumod says: five tanks then it’s five tanks exactly. If rumod says 1350 soldiers then their best guess is 1500 soldiers, and the number in the press release is their best guess minus 10%. Posted by: Passerby | Jul 24 2024 22:38 utc | 74 Also, of course the RuMoD lies. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:40 utc | 75 I hate to burst bubbles, but how can anyone take these numbers seriously? Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 24 2024 22:43 utc | 76 And another point, if RuMoD were to “never lie”, that would only mean they report what lower level officers report. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:46 utc | 77 Since the guy who outlawed making peace with Putin is now talking a lot about peace and negotiations, you know it’s bad. How far the cascading failure breaking point is for Ukraine is still up in the air. But it’s getting there. Everyday the battlefield updates are another kilometer or two in lots of places, another village taken, more videos of Russian drones targeting Ukrainians and their assets and them getting blown up. Posted by: Lex | Jul 24 2024 22:49 utc | 78 Bombs, missiles and Artillery have only gotten more accurate since then. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:50 utc | 79 UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:50 utc | 79 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 23:00 utc | 80 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 22:35 utc | 72 Posted by: Milites | Jul 24 2024 23:03 utc | 81 Today there was cause for celebration within the liberated “historic” regions of Russia that I turned into “The Socio-Economic Development of Russia’s “historical subjects””. And when the damage done is considered and the amounts at reconstruction guessed at by the West, Russia has spent less and done far more than anyone imagined. I wish there’d been more photos to show readers, while some of the projects being rededicated today are visible in the video. The motto appears to be akin to Build-Back Better and is a nationwide effort that’s been seen via earlier reports. We read and see the SMO’s destruction on a daily basis, but we seldom hear about the reconstruction. Here’s an opportunity. A post by Napo Leon followed immediately by a post by Varg Ass. Coincidence? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 24 2024 23:27 utc | 83 The motto appears to be akin to Build-Back Better and is a nationwide effort that’s been seen via earlier reports. We read and see the SMO’s destruction on a daily basis, but we seldom hear about the reconstruction. Here’s an opportunity. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 24 2024 23:29 utc | 84 Peter AU1 | Jul 24 2024 23:00 utc | 80– A post by Napo Leon followed immediately by a post by Varg Ass. Coincidence? Posted by: Newbie | Jul 25 2024 0:02 utc | 86 Ukraine being seen as defeated before November 5 would indicate that hundreds of billions of dollars of aid had been wasted, hundreds of thousands of deaths and maiming had been for naught, and as a bonus China and Russia were inclined to being on better terms, and to share military technology. Iran and North Korea also saw some benefits. That won’t get spun by the media as good for the Biden/Harris administration because the MIC will want them to promote it as a disaster necessitating a huge increase in defense spending. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 25 2024 0:12 utc | 87 “Has he learned his lesson or still trusts EU politicians?” Posted by: someone | Jul 25 2024 0:19 utc | 88 Excellent question. You have a talent for cutting to the core of the problem. But you probably won’t get the answer on MOA. Have you tried QUORA? There are many experts there who will be happy to help you. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 0:23 utc | 89 Vargas isn’t here to get questions answered, 41 1307. Posted by: someone | Jul 25 2024 0:33 utc | 90 That’s obvious. Glad you appreciate sarcasm. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 0:39 utc | 91 karlof1 | Jul 24 2024 23:31 utc | 85 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 0:39 utc | 92 The bad news with such low numbers is that there would still be room for meat unless the population is under 22 million Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 0:50 utc | 93 A good video of a couple of ‘mobilization’ goons getting dropped. They are trying to snatch a smaller man then a bigger bloke comes in from behind and downs both. The communities are certainly starting to look after each other and fight back. Posted by: Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:43 utc | 94 VV Putin 38 – You are very welcome. Will keep the advice coming, and thanks for your support of Serbia and the financial help in rebuilding the Cathedral of St. Sava in Belgrade…….Dobria!! Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 25 2024 1:48 utc | 95 Two of the most critical factors in making war are logistics and morale. Having over the months developed the most lean, mean fighting machine in decades; the R.U. forces have succeeded in targeting and then demolishing a growing proportion of Kiev’s military infrastructure. It is amazing that the Ukies have held out this long, what with their logistical system being constantly degraded. Supplies, reinforcements and medical attention for the wounded have been systematically reduced into frenetic improvisation. Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 25 2024 2:39 utc | 96 Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:43 utc | 94 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 25 2024 2:47 utc | 97 – Daniel Davis & Larry Johnson: “Ukraine is FINALLY crumbling” (?????) Posted by: WMG | Jul 25 2024 3:30 utc | 98 Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 14:49 utc | 3 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 25 2024 3:49 utc | 99 Ukrainians are in trouble near Progres:
According to Deepstate UA:
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