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July 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-165

News & views related to the conflict in Ukraine …

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“Strategically, over time, this tactical reality favors the defender Ukraine. The front has locked for two years and the weaker nation (404) has stopped the stronger invader.”
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 13 2024 8:17 utc | 293
Can you do me a favour?
Can you kindly please let me know what type of powerful drugs you took to become so seriously deluded?
I’d like to try some.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 13 2024 9:33 utc | 301

Black Mountain talks with Mike Mihajlovic.
Today’s topics:
– NATO and China
– Long range missiles in Germany
– Strikes on Zagres and Cremean beach
– How Air Defence works
– Is it possible to hit a Kinzhal missile
– Alloys that make difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k59E22ihq9I

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 13 2024 9:42 utc | 302

About defeating drones: what is needed is a defensive drone equivalent of a bat. That detects objects within a few hundred meters acoustically. Then crashes into them detonating a small charge. Have a few of these flying overhead a vehicle or company of soldiers, programmed, perhaps with some AI, to identify incoming drone threats and neutralise them.
It’s notable that among Russian leaning telegram channels, there is an increasing number of videos of Ukrainian drones being destroyed by Russian drones.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 13 2024 9:59 utc | 303

@Andrew Sarchus | Jul 13 2024 9:59 utc | 303

It’s notable that among Russian leaning telegram channels, there is an increasing number of videos of Ukrainian drones being destroyed by Russian drones.

Here is one:

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Sky hunting: a Russian drone disabled a Ukrainian one using a net launching device.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/25742

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 13 2024 10:17 utc | 304

So as I joked yesterday about how the Aussies are turning into the stereotypical ‘dumb pollacks’ of the Pacific ‘North Atlantic Alliance’ against the Multipolar emerging world …
The Poles come straight back with a ‘hold my beer’ bid to retain their title!
‘‘– GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 —
@GeromanAT
MIC won.’
‘Mario Nawfal
@MarioNawfal
48m
🚨🇵🇱BREAKING: POLAND TO SPEND 5% OF GDP ON DEFENSE IN 2025
Foreign Minister Sikorski announced Poland will allocate 5% of GDP to defense in 2025, up from 4% this year, in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Sikorski:
“We are number one in NATO, including the US, in proportion. We are no longer in eternal post-Cold War peace.”
Deputy Defense Minister Tomczyk confirmed a 10% budget increase in 2025 to a record high.
Army chief General Kukula emphasized the need to prepare for an all-out conflict.
Source: Reuters “
——————-
To the Last Pole now – not happy with 10k no So secretly already fed into the ukrop mincer when they weren’t even supposed to be there!
So what happens next – first the rest of Europe will regain their cheap plumbers and builders , the U.K. will see much more illegal migrants from there – they will join many who have already settled here over the last 30 years. Good for us!
I’ll be able to get hold of their hard working abilities and get the major repairs done around the house.
Second they will be forced into Galicia and beyond to ‘reclaim their ancient imperial lands’ as some glorified debt collector bailiffs, on behalf of the Collective Wastes Bankers and Agro Industrialists to ‘claim’ the Lands they ‘bought’ from ‘Flash Harry’ Shelensky, the shyster war time spiv!
Third – the dumbest pollacks will go with their Banderite Pole murdering neighbours (yup they are really that dumb!) against the anti Nazis- and lose tens of thousands of more of them in the black soil there. On behalf of the Zionazis line Sikorsky and Applebum – the latest modern day Macbeth’s.
The demnted “thank you USA” and his spiv real life psycho wife, will be the New, ‘Greatest Wartime Leaders’ as Shelensky is ‘retired’. His little flabby cocaine stained nose preserved like Lenin ,as some mummified trophy to inspire future generations of dumb ukropians into believing that Bandera was their Father and Shelenski their trans human ’mother’ …
When was there a “eternal post-Cold War peace.”?
We really deserve all we are going to get if we carry on believing all such nonsensical , russophobic anti-Putin propaganda. I await Brace Sir Herr Starmztrooper announcing similar nonsense – as he starts climbing into tanks and airplanes in his new uniform.
Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 13 2024 10:22 utc | 305

Posted by: canuck | Jul 13 2024 9:33 utc | 301
More likely the logical conclusion drawn by a neophyte military analyst whose understanding of warfare is largely shaped by exposure to popular portrayals of combat. Tactical victories, therefore, logically lead to operational and strategic success, the ‘Wehrmacht fallacy’. A rule of thumb, for assessing the importance of each level on eventual victory is, whilst tactical helps and operational reinforces, strategic ensures. The problem with understanding this maxim is partly based on the understanding of victory being based on temporal metrics, seeing daily victories blinds one to the realities beyond the immediate battlefield.
Historical example. Kursk
Tactical: romping German victory with lop-sided kill ratios on both land and in the air.
Operational :Northern Front stalemated, Southern Front tactical gains cemented
Strategic: Russia held on long enough to launch Operation Kutuzov, deception operations disguised Russian intent and true force ratios, invasion of Sicily forced a final halt to Citadel.
Result: Complete Russian strategic victory, precipitating more strategic victories, that included many operational setbacks and countless tactical defeats. It’s strategic, not tactical considerations that determine ultimate victory. Pick up a book about the Punic Wars to see why Putin will eventually win, and Rome’s armies were far more brutalised than the Russian’s currently are.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 10:36 utc | 306

Reposting here from the Palestine thread as OT.
Given the wide spread spy networks of nation-states, especially the USA. I hope this is useful to other barflies.
Microsoft banning Palestinians in the US for using Skype to contact relatives in the Gaza.
I have never wanted to scream more in my life… wth!
Yesterday Meta and now MS
https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1811443189309690066
Posted by: Menz | Jul 12 2024 7:51 utc | 33
Depressing, but not surprising.
Sorry, below is a little OT…
All the USA technology/ad companies (i.e. Microsoft, Google, Apple, Shitter, Fakebook, etc) are integrated and active participants of the deep-state / permanent bureaucracy of USA imperialism. Naturally, they love the juicy contracts $$$.
We know this thanks to Assange, Snowden, and countless brave truth seekers.
The opponents or victims of capitalism/imperialism are silenced or oppressed by these companies. For example by defunding of Wikileaks (https://wikileaks.org/Banking-Blockade.html) or the Grayzone (https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/28/gofundme-freezes-grayzone-fundraiser/) or de-platforming/demonetizated of left-wing activists on social media (https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-political-account-ban-us-mid-term-elections/)
in the guise of fighting “mis-information”. Although the only “news” the public heard was that they deplatformed far-right types.
We the working-class should boycott such organisations and encourage family, friends and brothers/sisters fighting the blob to do the same.
There are many alternative software/platforms that the working class can control instead of the capitalist overlords.
Here are a number of free/libre open source replacements for proprietary (spy-friendly) software:
Replace video conference apps (Skype, Zoom, MS Teams) with:
Jitsi https://jitsi.org/ (conference software)
Replace messaging apps (e.g. Whatsapp, Telegram, sms )
Jami https://jami.net/ (distributed, no central servers, but flaky, it’s improving though)
Signal https://signal.org (proprietary central server, but open-source mobile and desktop apps)
Element https://element.io/ (uses Matrix protocol https://matrix.org/)
Replace social networks (X-twitter, Fakebook, linkdin):
Mastodon https://joinmastodon.org/
References :
https://github.com/tycrek/degoogle
https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/
It’s (usually) inconvenient to move to free/libre open source software that humanity can control,
but it’s worth it to loosen the power of the tech-fascists have over us.

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jul 13 2024 10:46 utc | 307

a bat. That detects objects within a few hundred meters acoustically. Then crashes into them
Andrew Sarchus | Jul 13 2024 9:59 utc | 303
I don’t know if you can detect audio with a flying drone, its own noise is very high. But the audio detection idea I’ve seen mentioned before and should work if you plant many audio detectors around or inside a city and link them. Identifying drone engines from birds or normal sounds is trivial.
“Penicillin” uses audio, infrared and seismic sensors for artillery and mlrs ( en.topwar.ru/148924-kompleks-zvukoteplovoj-artillerijskoj-razvedki-1b75-penicillin.html ). So nothing really new under the sun.

Posted by: rk | Jul 13 2024 10:47 utc | 308

As for runways, Soviet russian aircraft can just use compacted crushed rock for fast repair. The Americans will use fast curing high strength concrete. Good to go in 24 hours or less.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:14 utc | 169

Two easy counters for fast concrete. The Russians can bomb every 12 hours, never letting the runway set. Also they can target any construction trucks that come near the runways.

Posted by: spindz | Jul 13 2024 11:11 utc | 309

FYI—FYI—
RT has published a short notice about the publication of a new book, “‘Miracle in the East’: New WWII history book hits the shelves,” and provides this direct link, PDF Version, to the book based on Western war correspondent reports from the Eastern Front that were published in the West.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2024 11:23 utc | 310

Posted by: spindz | Jul 13 2024 11:11 utc | 309
Kill the repair crews, more permanent and the reason runway denial missions were staggered to catch them after the first raid and used a percentage of delayed munitions. The best solution would be pre-placed drones acting as acoustic/motion triggered mines, a variation on, ‘the definition of air-superiority is a tank at the end of the runway!’
Remotely controlled anti-material rifles would be a pain, with modern IFCS’s and optics a first-round hit on an F-16’s front landing gear, just as its just about to reach V1 velocity, would be more than possible. The subsequent wreckage would then act as an ad-hoc denial munition.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 11:31 utc | 311

The tide has turned as Russian assaults are creamed on the battlefields by non stop cheap drones.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing
Even Chinese media showed it.
https://i.imgur.com/nQYkisp.jpeg
Posted by: Surferket | Jul 12 2024 14:33 utc | 174

The assumption of yourself and simplicius is that the United States has an edge in AI. However it is Russia’s ally, China that has the edge in AI, based on number of papers and researchers. China was playing catch up in the AI field, but the crossover point was back in 2019, since then the Chinese have been increasing their lead.
Attempts to warn the US have always been met with blank stares. Basic racism prevents the US from even imagining non-whites could be technologically ahead of the US.
Can you prove that China is not now or in the future transferring software to Russia? Its a reasonable guess that knowledge transfers between Russia and China are ongoing, in areas such as manufacturing processes and hypersonic missiles. AI is likely to be another such.
What this boils down to is that Russia and China are more likely now to surprise the US technologically than the reverse.

Posted by: spindz | Jul 13 2024 11:45 utc | 312

Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 13 2024 7:27 utc | 279
Thus, a classic quagmire, stalemate, which favors the defender, Ukraine.
A stalemate by definition doesn’t favour anyone and this isn’t a “stalemate”. The pace of the conflict favours the Russians because they have overwhelming fire power that can reach into the operational / strategic depths while the Ukrainians have to keep bringing in fresh forces to hold the line as their numbers get reduced by Russian fires.
Movement in modern warfare invites casualties and Russian soldiers are government employees who cost money to train, get rehab and pensions if they are injured, or survivor benefits if they die during combat. Russians don’t want their soldiers getting maimed or killed any more than a factory owner wants employees to get maimed or killed on the job because it costs them money and makes the workplace suffer from poor moral
Like the Americans Russian soldiers are much happier killing from a distance with a cozy bunker and hot meals 20 km from the LOC. In all but a few urban hot spots they hold the line with drones and artillery spotters.
It appears Putin has stumbled into WW1 style trench warfare.
Appearances can be deceiving.
He must dream of his one chance in 2022, when he had fast access to Kyiv and elsewhere.
That I seriously doubt. The last time a Russian army stormed Kiev it took 700,000 men and cost 120,000 casualties. back they it was a city 1/3 the size. That’s more of a nightmare than a dream.
I don’t pretend to know the mind of Putin but I’ll speculate that if he dreams of taking Kiev, Zelensky is hanging from a lamp post and Ukrainians are greeting the Russians with offerings of bread salt and flowers.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 13 2024 11:46 utc | 313

@comrade simba | 264
Thanks comrade, for the summary and the interesting insights.

Posted by: Roland | Jul 13 2024 11:50 utc | 314

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 13:51 utc | 157
“They cant be based in the Ukraine, because all the major airfields have been cratered by the RF”
THe RF has not cratered or come close to createring all the major airfields in Ukraine. A look at the video’s were Russia shows them hitting Ukraine aircraft flying out of various airfields in Ukraine shows that isn’t true.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:14 utc | 169
Posted by: spindz | Jul 13 2024 11:11 utc | 309
Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 11:31 utc | 311
Ukraine is still flying ex-Soviet aircraft a thousand days after the three day war began. If they could have, why hasn’t Russia been doing this already?
Overall I agree with your’all overall view on the F-16s. Not enough to make a difference. It will be interesting to see what stand off weapons they will have as that is their ‘strength’. No need to jury rig up anything to fire lots of different NATO weapons.

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 11:52 utc | 315

Looks like the Ukrainian end of the Antonovskiy Bridge, fans of thought experiments will note that there is almost no structural damage to the bridge itself. What might have been if guided ODAB had been available early on, rather than destroying the bridge just to clear out a hundred guys, who still keeps popping up even after that.
https://t.me/dva_majors/47185

Kherson direction
The reconnaissance units of the 18th OA revealed the calculation of the UAV. Transferred to the fire defeat of ODAB-1500 With UPMK

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 13 2024 11:57 utc | 316

https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/10192

Interesting 🤔
Right in the middle of 2 highways on the edge of Kiev, the Ukrainians are busy building a new highway that seems to disappear underground.
This while all the other highways are filled with potholes.
Here’s my sneaky suspicion…F16’s.
They are literally working 24/7 on this project, I’ve watched them for the last few days. I’ve never seen this urgency anywhere else.
And this is literally a stones throw from Zhulyany airport.
👆👉Masno

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 13 2024 11:59 utc | 317

Concerned Citizen
@BGatesIsaPyscho
Interviewer:- “Zelensky says that Russia plan to use tactical Nuclear Weapons”
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov:- “he says many things – depends on what he drinks or what he smokes”
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1811697991373185220

Posted by: Menz | Jul 13 2024 12:00 utc | 318

The question of AI and whether NATO has (as Simplicius thinks) some Skynet-style tech available to Ukrainian troops is a pretty damn important and concerning one. My only comfort is that previous NATO Wunderwaffen have brought forth effective counters, and hopefully this will be no exception.
But we should bear in mind that, while Ukraine may be short of troops, with modern tech, military analysts and intelligence people in all the NATO countries – or even AI processing in all the NATO countries – can sit there doing analysis, target selection, for all I know drone piloting in total safety.
Russia has bright people, but I imagine they are all working pretty hard right now. NATO has spare bodies and brains, who otherwise might be working on strategy simulations but now can get trained in real time action, but sans risk of a 155mm shell or a FAB500 landing on them.
Tricky ….

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 13 2024 12:04 utc | 319

@ anon2020 | Jul 13 2024 11:57 utc | 316
An interesting example of force disparity there. When banderites discover Russian UAV crew positions, they tend to send some FPV drones after them, rarer an artillery strike. When Russians discover enemy UAV crew now, they drop a truck-full of explosives.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 13 2024 12:16 utc | 320

Ukraine is still flying ex-Soviet aircraft a thousand days after the three day war began.
Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 11:52 utc | 315
Retarded propaganda.
Ukr’s planes found in Ukr were shot in the first months, the rest flew to nato bases and were mixed will all planes nato could find on the planet.
All planes come from Poland, maybe Romania, one-two each week or so. Shoot and run. If they stay, they always get hit on the airport or in flight. Russia can bomb all airports in Ukr, they will still be repaired and planes will still come from nato bases

Posted by: rk | Jul 13 2024 12:16 utc | 321

Semi-OT, but the information war is very much a part of this war:
https://nypost.com/2024/07/11/us-news/bombshell-report-details-how-a-little-known-corporate-cartel-targets-outlets-including-the-post-claimed-to-be-spreading-misinformation/
WASHINGTON — A damning new congressional report shows how a little-known advertising cartel that controls 90% of global marketing spending supported efforts to defund news outlets and platforms including The Post — at points urging members to use a blacklist compiled by a shadowy government-funded group that purports to guard news consumers against “misinformation.”
The World Federation of Advertisers (WFA), which reps 150 of the world’s top companies — including ExxonMobil, GM, General Mills, McDonald’s, Visa, SC Johnson and Walmart — and 60 ad associations sought to squelch online free speech through its Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM) initiative, the House Judiciary Committee found in an interim report released Wednesday.
“The extent to which GARM has organized its trade association and coordinates actions that rob consumers of choices is likely illegal under the antitrust laws and threatens fundamental American freedoms,” the Republican-led panel said in its 39-page report based on internal organizational records.
The new report establishes links between the WFA’s “responsible media” initiative and the taxpayer-funded Global Disinformation Index (GDI), a London-based group that in 2022 unveiled an ad blacklist of 10 news outlets whose opinion sections tilted conservative or libertarian, including The Post, RealClearPolitics and Reason magazine.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 13 2024 12:18 utc | 322

Difficult not to interpret this as the Shoigu-Ivanov network covering their tracks, while the criminal justice system fails to protect witnesses, even those in custody. Time will tell.
https://t.me/milinfolive/125965

The story of the arrest of the now former Deputy Minister, also former Defense Minister Timur Ivanov and other persons involved, continues to develop in an interesting way.
So, by coincidence, worthy of the best synchronized wivers, on one day on July 8, two people close to ex-Deputy Minister Ivanov died at once: 52-year-old businessman Igor Kotelnikov and 61-year-old head of the state examination department of the Ministry of Defense, Colonel-General Magomed Khandayev.
Kotelnikov died in the Moscow pre-trial detention center №4 of “heart problems” and was a suspect in the case of Ivanov’s bribes. According to the investigation, the businessman was an intermediary who guaranteed profitable contracts to entrepreneurs cooperating with the Ministry of Defense for “kckbacks”.
Colonel-General Khandayev, who previously held the post of General Director of the Main Directorate of Special Construction and was directly subordinate to former Deputy Defense Minister Timur Ivanov, was interrogated by the investigation as a witness in the case and was not in jail. His cause of death is not called.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 13 2024 12:22 utc | 323

Ukraine is still flying ex-Soviet aircraft a thousand days after the three day war began.
Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 11:52 utc | 315
Retarded propaganda.
Posted by: rk | Jul 13 2024 12:16 utc | 321

Gay clown retarded propaganda. Anyone still mouthing the lie about the three day war is officially a gay clown.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 13 2024 12:54 utc | 324

How to explain that small protestant or pedominantly protestant countries like Denmark or The Netherlands, are so fanatical in oreparing the war against Russia.
Such small countries can totally be destroyed in a nuclear war. Is that politics not strande?

Posted by: vargas | Jul 13 2024 13:06 utc | 325

The question of AI and whether NATO has (as Simplicius thinks) some Skynet-style tech available to Ukrainian troops is a pretty damn important and concerning one. NATO has spare bodies and brains, who otherwise might be working on strategy simulations but now can get trained in real time action, but sans risk of a 155mm shell or a FAB500 landing on them.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 13 2024 12:04 utc | 319
Be careful with the logic. Your logic uses as absolute truth the weed infused thoughts from a US propaganda website.
Why not real life as input? If nato is so good with drones’n’shit, why they can’t win against an unprepared badly managed little smo with a small number of RF soldiers on the front line, even when using millions of Ukr zombie soldiers and all the “high-tech” ever invented from the “superiors”?

Posted by: rk | Jul 13 2024 13:08 utc | 326

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jul 13 2024 10:46 utc | 307
Excellent information…Basically Linux is the way to go…Big thanks…

Posted by: notlurking | Jul 13 2024 13:08 utc | 327

Posted by: SIr_Keef | Jul 12 2024 21:15 utc | 252
Addressed in earlier posts. AI, like all computer programs, is subject to GIGO & no smarter than its programmers (& their assumptions).
Also probably subject to jamming.
Also (Nightvision & early Simplicius) were great at economical, substantive writing, but lately is slipping as his focus has shifted to self-promotion & trying to be a great writer via style, obsession with word count & raising fud. Personally I’m about 1 more strained alliteration away from ending my subscription.

Posted by: Mary | Jul 13 2024 13:08 utc | 328

Ok, Pepe just made me lol.
https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/12061

Posted by: Mary | Jul 13 2024 13:10 utc | 329

Stopped reading after this.
‘The author cites the new system as being responsible for Russia’s ‘stagnant’ Kharkov campaign’
NATO’s increased focus on this has little to do with Ukraine (though it’s a useful test bed) but the realisation that their armed forces are shrinking to dangerously low levels, in both funding and personnel, for a conventional force. The MIC have given politicians a technological way to publicly square the circle between increased social spending and maintaining expensive military commitments, by pretending the forces effectiveness is maintained, even increased, as they hollow out the structures that support those capabilities. Commercial logistical ‘efficiencies’ replaced large stockpiles, and units were kept up to strength only by including reservists in their number. The MIC’s reward, in maintaining this dangerous fiction, was government procurement of high-tech weapons, in smaller and smaller numbers but with greater and greater hype. A strategy that has come completely unstuck in the proxy support operation in Ukraine, hence the massive propaganda effort launched, and sometimes swallowed by SM bloggers.
What I find fascinating is that the West is now trying, in part, to replicate the command structure of the conscript dominated Red Army, where a junior commanders individual skill qas irrelevant, just as long as they stuck to the proscribed actions, generated from a centralised hub. Just as then, this approach only works if all those echelons guiding the ground forces are themselves fit for purpose. A Soviet Division was therefore only as good as its senior commanders, with no real backstop provided by its constituent units, as in a comparative Western formation. This then led to the ‘parquet generals’ who obsessed with superficialities, paying lip-service to training, whilst focusing instead on obedience to centralised doctrine. Initiative became transformed from using one’s own solutions to becoming the quality of carrying out the proscribed orders in a timely manner (a concept still echoed in the language of communiques from the front, today).
If the drive is to regard humans as just an increasingly inferior part of a relationship with technology then the stage is being set, in the near-future, for a monumental disaster of epic proportions. All you would need to do is compromise the algorithms that drive the relatively simplistic AI routines (speed of operation creates an illusion .of complexity), by AI maskirovka tactics and then watch, as the structure collapsed. Human intervention would be remote, whilst those on the ground had neither the skill sets or the experience to rectify the situation. Again a fascinating glimpse into the self-hating, anti-humanist policies being actively pursued by the elite. Skyfall, not Skynet!

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 13:15 utc | 330

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 11:52 utc | 315

Are these spurious posts repeating inane Ukranian propaganda comforting to you? I doubt they comfort the Ukrainians being blown to bits while Maerica refuses to let her proxy surrender. Equivalent to watching a kid getting destroyed by a prize fighter while continually being pushed back into the ring by the greedy and cowardly promoter.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 13 2024 13:33 utc | 331

Posted by: boneless | Jul 13 2024 12:16 utc | 320
Same with most situations facing them. Just as the German VG soldier, clutching his MP44, had to tackle tanks with his Panzerfaust, whilst being provided fire support by rocket artillery, due to crippling shortages of the platforms they substituted, the Ukrainian response to virtually any situation is, ‘send a drone’. Not because it’s the most effective, but because it’s all they have.
Over reliance on any one system is, and historically has been, a precursor to disaster. Just imagine the impact on the SMO if the Ukrainian drones CE (Combat Effectiveness) was reduced by 20-40%, during the first days of a Russian, armour heavy offensive? All your eggs in one basket risks making an impromptu, and inedible omelette!

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 13:43 utc | 332

@notlurking | Jul 13 2024 13:08 utc | 327

Excellent information…Basically Linux is the way to go…Big thanks…

The most significant thing to be aware of on Windows 11 is the new “Microsoft Recall” which is a total surveillance system of everything you do on your PC, it is completely Orwellian. It is not on all PCs yet, but that is what they want. So yes, Linux is the way to go.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 13 2024 13:48 utc | 333

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 13 2024 12:22 utc | 323
Smells like Ezhovshchina. Smaller fish are being hanged mostly not to upset the power structure. Shoigu is practicing atonement through work. However, in a post–Putin world there should not be a place for him. Politics is a dirty business and power corrupts.
The good tsar watches over his people. Will he be able to secure his legacy by a well picked and timed succession? This would be a feat, that actually no Russian leader accomplished since times immemorial, and it would round up his reign.

Posted by: Arminius | Jul 13 2024 13:57 utc | 334

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 13:15 utc | 330
>If the drive is to regard humans as just an increasingly inferior part of a relationship with technology then the stage is being set, in the near-future, for a monumental disaster of epic proportions. All you would need to do is compromise the algorithms that drive the relatively simplistic AI routines (speed of operation creates an illusion .of complexity), by AI maskirovka tactics and then watch, as the structure collapsed. Human intervention would be remote, whilst those on the ground had neither the skill sets or the experience to rectify the situation. Again a fascinating glimpse into the self-hating, anti-humanist policies being actively pursued by the elite. Skyfall, not Skynet!
You obviously have no understanding of back propagation AI, which is as robust as the programming induced by Mother Nature. There are no algorithms. There is merely pattern matching. The only difficulty is training by use of multiple examples of the pattern. Training AI to change a truck tire under challenging conditions is impossible at present, because there are too possibly complications. But training AI to recognize the difference between real human and inflatable doll human is trivial. So maskirova won’t work more than a few days after installing mass numbers of these inflatable human dolls with infrared signature and enough movement not to be obvious dolls (and that movement adds lots of expense). Training to overcome this maskirova is trivial and then a few minutes to update software in all the drones.
Now the idea in Simplicius that AI can replace the officer corps is dubious. But nothing dubious AI can create a 10-100km kill zone on land and in air where no human can survive. This is 10yo old technology, and back propagation AI goes back many decades. Of course, system engineering to make these drones work is no small task. But that Simplicius article does bring all the critical ideas. Autonomous drones will soon make electronic warfare to defeat drones obsolete. Autonomous drones will soon make humans on line of contact obsolete. There are two main ways to defeat autonomous drones: automated shotguns, flak guns or other projectile weapons on the ground, drones that kill other drones.
In another post, you mentioned drones that lurk near landing strips and attack aircraft. These can be autonomous. And similar autonomous lurking drones can be place themselves all over the ground in that 10-100km kill zone, and attack humans. Drone maintainence techs and sappers then become the bulk of infantry.

Posted by: anonposter | Jul 13 2024 14:06 utc | 335

anon2020@323…..cause of death not called…..sure. I’ll bite, suicide!
Seems the graft runs deep.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 13 2024 14:14 utc | 336

@ notlurking | Jul 13 2024 13:08 utc | 327
Consider smaller kernels that change slowly, like OpenBSD.
Hope to run it one day on OrangePi or Huawei chips.

Posted by: not a number | Jul 13 2024 14:18 utc | 337

the three day war
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 11:52 utc | 315

you fell for gen. milleys propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 13 2024 14:24 utc | 338

THe RF has not cratered or come close to createring all the major airfields in Ukraine. A look at the video’s were Russia shows them hitting Ukraine aircraft flying out of various airfields in Ukraine shows that isn’t true.
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 11:52 utc | 315
That’s proof of nothing.
Engineers can repair a cratered airfield in hours … they have specialized materials and equipment for this purpose. I’m sure the NATO has supplied repair kits to Ukrainian engineers. They’ve had time to rebuild entire airports destroyed in early 2022 complete with luggage carousel.
Timing is everything. There is no point in cratering runways unless you either want to keep aircraft using that particular runway from taking off or landing on that day. For example an attack on an airport would begin by taking out air defences and cratering runways in the first wave to trap the aircraft on the ground then destroying the aircraft in the second wave. They could extend the down time by mining the runway as well or cluster bombing the engineers while they work.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 13 2024 14:32 utc | 339

“Canuck: Can you kindly please let me know what type of powerful drugs …”
I have evidently been taking drugs that still allow me to read maps. Try it sometime.
The front hasn’t moved in two years …. after Ukrainian victories in Kherson, Kharkiv and Vlad’s failed attempt to take Kyiv.
I suspect vodka is the culprit in your case. Although maps, and static fronts, may seem to move on LSD. Stare long enough, and I’m sure you will be able to see denazification, whatever that is.

Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 13 2024 14:33 utc | 340

Zelensky wants 128 F-16s says 60 is too few.
He must know how much they break and need huge technical support with long down time for each aircraft.
Harder to fix than runways are the “turnaround” sites where F-16 is rearmed fueled and fixed.
These are more complex than the pits at formula one races and the support tail is huge.
The comedian is correct 60 aircraft do not mean every many sorties.
Only US can give that stuff.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 13 2024 14:50 utc | 341

The question of AI and whether NATO has (as Simplicius thinks) some Skynet-style tech available to Ukrainian troops is a pretty damn important and concerning one. My only comfort is that previous NATO Wunderwaffen have brought forth effective counters, and hopefully this will be no exception.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 13 2024 12:04 utc | 319
I would be much more concerned about what the Chinese and Russians are dreaming up deep in the heart of Asia.
We know they the two of them signed a whole whack of military/commercial contracts just prior to the SMO and there is reportedly a lot of military traffic between both countries since. You would have to be an idiot to believe that the Chinese haven’t noticed that once Russia is defeated they’re next and they aren’t doing something about it.
Russia has shown that they can jam western guidance systems while their precision weapons hit the target. Now imaging what they can do when they match their guidance systems with Chinese manufacturing, and technology.
We’ve already seen that Russia alone can outproduce the west in tanks, missiles and artillery shells now imagine that only with Chinese networking and automation. You get a deadly combination of mass, precision and AI.
I don’t think you’ll see any of what they’ve dreamed up until a major escalation … they aren’t going to give NATO any time to react.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 13 2024 14:52 utc | 342

Posted by: anonposter | Jul 13 2024 14:06 utc | 335
Strange, I seem to remember attending an AI/robotics exhibition a decade-ish ago where that’s what nearly everyone was talking about, and after the hype about clouds of nano-drones clogging air filters and AC units, the limitations to such programmes. It also incorporates algorithmic optimisation and other stem programmes, so technically I was correct, but I’m not going to pretend I have anymore than a limited-working knowledge of the subject. I do know however that being hunted down by a drone using facial recognition software, was quite Terminatoresque! If changing a truck tyre, or for that matter painting nails, is beyond an AI routine, imagine dealing with humans whose survival instinct is reinforced by specific counter-measures to your largely triggered and thus predictable attack routines. You also make the mistake of assuming deception methods are simply replications of historical precedent, forgetting that novelty is also a key element in such practices. The British DPM camo pattern was, after all created by an artist, armed with a 4” brush and a simple tonal range of paints. Things still worn today, whereas many computer generated patterns are now retired, similar to the superiority of painted movie backdrops v’s CGI created affairs, but that’s another topic. As for your relegation of future front-line infantry to merely supporting technicians I think you are being as premature as those who have already dug the grave, and had the headstone carved, for the MBT, after the Yom Kippur War, a half-century ago! Now I feel old, time to pick up Mr Kurtzweil.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 14:53 utc | 343

YetAnotherAnon | Jul 13 2024 12:18 utc | 322
Semi-OT, but the information war is very much a part of this war:
https://nypost.com/2024/07/11/us-news/bombshell-report-details-how-a-little-known-corporate-cartel-targets-outlets-including-the-post-claimed-to-be-spreading-misinformation/
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Actually, this is definitely on-topic. The Post links to the following:
Interim Staff Report of the Committee on the Judiciary
U.S. House of Representatives, July 10, 2024
https://t.ly/9UEAz
The report states:

In an email to all GARM members providing best brand safety advertising practices related to the Ukraine war, Mr. Rakowitz wrote, “Also ensure you’re working with an inclusion and exclusion list that is informed by trusted partners such as NewsGuard and GDI – both partners to GARM and many of our members.” (p. 26)

Mr. Rakowitz is the leader and co-founder of GARM — Global Alliance for Responsible Media, another Orwellian organization that stifles free speech. According to the report:

GARM members colluded to cut Twitter’s revenue after Elon Musk’s acquisition.
GARM went beyond brand safety to silence disfavored voices like Joe Rogan.
GARM attacked disfavored news sites to limit consumer choice.
GARM focused on political ads and alleged misinformation to influence elections.

The Great Western Fantasy of “Ukraine’s democracy” no doubt is underpinned by GARM and kindred forces.

Posted by: HeyHeyHey | Jul 13 2024 15:01 utc | 344

Ukrainian losses for July 13th, as reported by the Russian defence ministry:
– Sever Group (Kharkov): 205 troops, 1 tank, 2 motor vehicles, 4 artillery pieces, 3 EW stations
– Zapad Group (Luhansk area): 590 troops, 3 AFV/APC, 14 motor vehicles, 7 artillery piece, 2 EW system
– Yug Group (Donetsk north): 680 troops, 15 motor vehicles, 12 artillery pieces.
– Tsetr Group (Donetsk south): 355 troops, 1 APC, 3 motor vehicles, 3 artillery pieces, 1 Counter Battery Radar
– Vostok Group (southern front): 140 troops, 2 AFV/APC, 3 motor vehicles, 3 artillery piece
– Dnepr Group: 105 troops, 3 motor vehicles, 3 artillery pieces, 1 EW systems.
In total: 2,075 troops (about 2,500-3,000 with undercounting: 75,000 to 90,000 a month). We seem to have hit a new normal of 2,000 to 2,500 reported losses.
1 tank, 6 AFV/IFV/APC, 40 motor vehicles; an intensification of the transformation of the Ukrainian army into infantry plus “technicals” (pickup trucks with mounted weapons).
32 artillery pieces, close to the maximum level of daily losses – a rate of 1000 per month. 1 Counter Battery Radar systems and 6 EW systems in a single day is an escalation of this trend, such destruction makes it easier for Russian drone operators and artillery. The Russians are getting much better at hunting and destroying such high value and hard to replace targets.
In addition the Russians are becoming adept at shooting down HIMARS missiles, as well as hunting down and destroying HIMARS systems.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 13 2024 15:03 utc | 345

The front hasn’t moved in two years …. after Ukrainian victories in Kherson, Kharkiv and Vlad’s failed attempt to take Kyiv.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 13 2024 14:33 utc | 340
And there’s the problem. You can indeed read maps but you fail to understand that to the Russians Ukrainian territory is a battlefield to be exploited not territory to be conquered.
Take kherson for example. To you it’s a great Ukrainian victory because they took back territory but the way I see it the Russians set a rearguard trap for the Ukrainians and tore them to pieces as the main force retreated across the Dnieper untouched to prepared defences on the east bank.
Yea, Ukraine took Kherson but after taking Kherson and the Kharkov area they had to completely rebuilt and rearmed with NATO weapons because all the available Soviet weapons in the world had been destroyed by the Russians.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 13 2024 15:05 utc | 346

If all this is true, and I’m beginning to think it is, whoever chose the target or even entertained the idea of bombing a building right next to a big children’s hospital, is a moron and didn’t serve his country well this time around.
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 12 2024 21:10 utc | 249

I’ll say it’s very bad behaviour to place military installations right next to a hospital. I even think it’s illegal. I do think the Ukr may have done it just to prevent attacks.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 13 2024 15:10 utc | 347

@ Avtonom | Jul 13 2024 15:10 utc | 347
i remember early in this war, seeing some military vehicles parked next to a big shopping center… russia destroyed them late at night… leaving your anti missile defense capabilities inside the city of kiev is wacko but in keeping with everything else they are doing.. the rot goes right to the top..

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 15:34 utc | 348

The front hasn’t moved in two years …. after Ukrainian victories in Kherson, Kharkiv and Vlad’s failed attempt to take Kyiv.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 13 2024 14:33 utc | 340

That’s the Ukrainian spin.
The Kiev bluff almost succeeded all the way around. They had the tentative Istanbul Agreement, plus they pinned the AFU down in the north while they destroyed all the Nazis at Azovstal.
Lewinsky then demanded the RF withdraw from Kiev as a show of good faith and then (at BJ’s insistence) scuttled the agreement entirely and attacked.
Since the RF knew they really weren’t in a position to engage in a full-on fight they chose a strategic withdrawal to shorten defensive lines and shore up logistics. Yes, those so-called “Ukrainian victories” were not pushing the RF back so much as chasing after them. Big whoop.
The NATO & AFU clowns then mistakenly assumed the RF would run from any fight hence the doomed-to-fail “counteroffensive”.
All of this has been confirmed several times over, sometimes inadvertently and always grudgingly, by multiple Western sources.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 13 2024 15:40 utc | 349

Posted by: spindz | Jul 13 2024 11:45 utc | 312
As a sidenote:
“In China, the number of drone companies has grown to more than 14 thousand amid rising demand for drones.
The growing demand for unmanned aerial vehicles in the modern world has led to large-scale development of production drones in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). As you know, China is currently one of the main manufacturers and suppliers of drones to the world market.
According to sources, the number of producers Drones companies in China increased to more than 14 thousand. In addition, the number of drone operators has also increased. Only operators with licenses to operate UAVs in China now number more than 225 thousand people.
In the first half of 2024 alone, about 608 thousand unmanned aerial vehicles were registered in China. This is 48 percent more than was recorded at the end of 2023. That is, in the last six months alone there has been a large-scale increase in the number of unmanned aerial vehicles in China.
Note that Chinese drones are supplied to many countries around the world. They are used for both civilian and military purposes. In particular, Chinese-made drones are involved in many armed conflicts in different parts of the world, including a special military operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation against the Kyiv regime.
Given market conditions, Chinese companies are purposefully increasing the scale of drone production. After all, the demand for unmanned aerial vehicles in other countries is constantly growing, and this only contributes to a further increase in the income of Chinese companies producing drones.”
https://en.topwar.ru/246208-v-kitae-kolichestvo-proizvodjaschih-bespilotniki-kompanij-vyroslo-do-bolee-chem-14-tysjach-na-fone-rosta-sprosa-na-drony.html

Posted by: horseguards | Jul 13 2024 15:43 utc | 351

“All of this has been confirmed several times over, sometimes inadvertently and always grudgingly, by multiple Western sources”
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 13 2024 15:40 utc | 349
Thank you for the reality check

Posted by: canuck | Jul 13 2024 15:47 utc | 352

Here we go again with the famous Moon of Alabama circular logic.
Simplicius articles in the past: Great geo-politically analytical pieces of genius written by a military strategy master.
Simplicius article about how Ukrainian drones are causing havoc to Russian forces:
Panicked, over the top misreading of Ukranian capabilities and Russian problems. Simplicius doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I love this place and its consistency 😉

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 13 2024 16:04 utc | 353

I doubt the MIC lost money on any of it…..
Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:13 utc | 30
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You really need to have a detailed understanding of US Government procurement and its well experienced supplier base. Here it goes:
‘We delivered what was in the contract.’
“How come you let me make this mistake.”
‘You need to amend the contract or cut a new contract!’
DRs and CRs make up the business: Deficiency Reports and Change Requests, all of them in need of funding and contracts mods.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 13 2024 16:06 utc | 354

And NATO shares the same fantasies.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2024 23:17 utc | 42
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Probably not worth the candle to construct a psych profile of Zelensky. Comedian, coke head, drinking his own bathwater, dictator – off with their heads.
The US/UK/Natostan started a meme from which they cannot depart. Sanity is not optional, self-destruction of something will be assured in the due course of time.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 13 2024 16:12 utc | 355

“The front hasn’t moved in two years …. after Ukrainian victories in Kherson, Kharkiv and Vlad’s failed attempt to take Kyiv.”
Big picture yes, small picture(s) no. Biggest change by far is that Donetsk is no longer under active threat from mortar and tube artillery. I find it interesting how little this is discussed as it’s a huge deal. Yes, of course the UA can and always will continue to lob things at the city “to make a point” but those are much more expensive and boutique, HIMARS, ATACMS, storm shadow etc. Using these big ticket systems on Donetsk doesn’t make much sense as they get way more bang for their buck targeting Sevastopol or Kerch or Belgorod. So the The days of cheaply threatening the city- someone throwing open the doors of a basement cellar, rolling out a D20 and firing off a few rounds in anger then rolling it back in are over. And again, that’s a very big deal for the people of Donetsk and a big benefit to RF.
Other “not so big, but still kinda big” thing is that Bakhmut is pretty much secure now and it would take a massive effort to put it under any kind of serious threat. Considering for the longest time the UA was beating their chests about how it was all a big exposed trap to get as much RF into a future encirclement (which they tried and failed to pull off last year) that’s also a pretty big deal.
And yes, the line in the Kharkov direction hasn’t moved tremendously, but it has moved enough such that a lot of possibilities for the UA are now out of reach. At one point they were threatening Svatove which if they took and held could have led to much worse things- now it’s safely behind the front with lots of space in-between.
So again, you’re not wrong. At the strategic big picture level the line hasn’t moved with any great significance. At the operational level, it’s only moved in significant favor of the RF.

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Jul 13 2024 16:14 utc | 356

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Jul 13 2024 16:14 utc | 356
Unprecedented and brilliant analysis!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 13 2024 16:24 utc | 357

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 14:53 utc | 343
>Strange, I seem to remember attending an AI/robotics exhibition a decade-ish ago where that’s what nearly everyone was talking about
And Dick Tracy cartoon was talking about wristwatch video telephone in the 1950’s but it wasn’t until recently that the electronics was ready to support this concept. Back propagation AI takes enormous computing power that wasn’t available until just recently. Such AI itself has no algorithms, just as the brains of animals (including humans) programmed by Mother Nature have no algorithms, however the training process used in AI necessarily requires some trial and error to get it right. Electronics is still massive compared to animal brains and has other limitations, so using crude Mother Nature techniques to learn would be excessively slow with current electronics. And there are all sorts of other engineering challenges. So while the theory of back propagation AI and drones is old, making it all work is a slow process.
But surely you recognize that small drones simply weren’t an issue until very recently and that evolution since 2022 has been extraordinary. When the transition to that 10-100km kill zone empty of humans will occur, I can’t predict, any more than I can predict when this war ends with Russian victory over most of Ukraine (Galicia may be kept active as permanent proving ground to test NATO versus Russian weapons). But I can assert with confidence that both outcomes are inevitable within 10 years.

Posted by: anonposter | Jul 13 2024 16:41 utc | 358

james | Jul 13 2024 15:40 utc | 350
Hi james, any thoughts on this?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 13 2024 16:51 utc | 359

Ukraine can’t use F-16’s to launch a nuke without the USA’s knowledge and input. The Russians know this.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 12 2024 17:08 utc | 215
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And so all of us, at least we should.
For gravity bombs or plane launched missiles, the armorer, near the flight line in the armoring station, is the last human in line to fuze the ordnance. Hands in the air for pilots for all to see. Armorer, when done, shows the red banners removed from each weapons station or hardpoint. At that point the pilot counts the banners and if correct touch the flight controls.
I am assuming the same for nuclear bombs. Anyone know?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 13 2024 17:03 utc | 360

RT has published a short notice about the publication of a new book, “‘Miracle in the East’: New WWII history book hits the shelves,” and provides this direct link, PDF Version, to the book based on Western war correspondent reports from the Eastern Front that were published in the West.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2024 11:23 utc | 310
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Downloaded for weekend read in between East Coast Thunderstorms.
Thank you, Karl!

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 13 2024 17:20 utc | 361

@ Scotch Bingeington | Jul 13 2024 16:51 utc | 359
i am not sure… i think the idea of hitting the substations makes sense and it is dangerously close to the hospital… this fellow Ivan Katchanovski seems legit, but he does qualify it at the end with this statement – “Research-based analysis is preliminary and based on publicly available evidence at this time.”
fog of war… it is hard to know, but the west will use it as a propaganda tool regardless… it seems 11 out of the 13 missiles were successful in hitting their intended targets..

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 17:32 utc | 362

@ @ Scotch Bingeington | Jul 13 2024 16:51 utc | 359
this seems legit and must have been one of the russians objectives.. as helmer notes – “The smallness of the substations that were hit indicates that the Russians are now focusing on targeting distribution as well as transmission and generation. This takes the risk of negatively impacting the nuclear power plants out of the equation. It also stretches Ukrainian utility resources thinner. With this in mind, targeting the hospital substation makes sense. It forces the Ukrainians to deploy scarce manpower and materiel (technicians, portable substations and generators) to keep the hospital going. It forces prioritization on a more local level with all of the system stresses that will cause.”
i essentially agree with ivan katchanovski in this line from helmers article – “Missile strike in daylight in densely populated area, especially in children hospital area can be classified as indiscriminate and violation of international law.” it seems this substations were the target..
Three temporary transformer substations to be installed on territory of Okhmatdyt

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 17:44 utc | 363

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 17:44 utc | 363
I don’t think Ukraine deploys its AD to defend any sort of electrical infrastructure.
Mike Mihajlovic said there’s a high probability they only deploy to protect some sort of military targets, and they have orders to shoot anything they see on their radar. Ukraine also never shoots down more than 20% of cruise missiles, and while PAC-3 can theoretically shoot down a Kinzhal, practically it can’t as they will never get optimal trajectory of Kinzhal and PAC-3 interceptor.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 13 2024 17:57 utc | 364

@ unimperator | Jul 13 2024 17:57 utc | 364
first off – thanks for all your posts at moa.. they are typically informative and educational and i appreciate it..
what wmike mijajlovic says makes sense…. what do you think happened with regard to the hospital and area right next to it??

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 17:59 utc | 365

Over western and central Ukraine , an abnormal heat wave has been observed for a long time – in the afternoon up to 42 degrees Celsius. degrees of heat in the shade. The power system is increasingly showing signs of a cumulative effect with the failure of backup substations as throughout the country, they include air conditioners and refrigerators.
In Kiev, the supermarket chain “Auchan” stopped selling meat and dairy products. Because of the energy shortage, retail outlets have to turn off their refrigerators. Next week, a more record-breaking heat wave of up to 44 is expected degrees.
In Ukrainian society, tensions are growing due to the lack of electricity, some cities numbering from 200 thousand people are without electricity for many days.

https://voenhronika.ru/ via machine translation.
I can’t escape the idea that civic/financial collapse of Ukraine will occur before military collapse, precipitating complete capitulation, possibly with some oblasts striking out for independence at the same time.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2024 18:06 utc | 366

Posted by: rk | Jul 13 2024 12:16 utc | 321 “Ukr’s planes found in Ukr were shot in the first months, the rest flew to nato bases.”
Any evidence of that?
I agree with the rest of your claim that there was a world wide search that moved a lot of other ex-Soviet aircraft in later.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 13 2024 12:54 utc | 324
3 day war Gay clown retarded propaganda from people still appearing regularly on Russian TV.
https://x.com/francis_scarr/status/1697553040071430306

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 18:13 utc | 367

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 13 2024 13:33 utc | 331
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 13 2024 14:24 utc | 338
Nah, I listened to these people on Russian TV.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1697553040071430306

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 13 2024 18:16 utc | 368

https://t.me/rybar/61789

🇺🇦Against the backdrop of a large outflow of population from the territory controlled by the Kiev regime over the past two years, the question often arises: how many people are left there? And now an interesting statement has appeared from the director of the local center for demography and social research.
According to her, under the most optimistic scenario, by 2033 the population of the so-called Ukraine (excluding territorial losses) will be a maximum of 35 million people. At the same time, to maintain a level of even 30 million, at least 300 thousand migrants will have to be imported there annually.
At the same time, with a certain probability, even Kiev does not know the exact figure of the remaining population. According to some estimates, by the end of 2022, there were a maximum of 30 million people in the areas controlled by the Kiev regime, and over the past year and a half, this number has clearly decreased due to losses at the front and emigration.
📌And here we must remember that the demographic indicators of the so-called Ukraine were depressing before — in 1991-2014 its population decreased by 20% even without any war. The birth rate before the SVO was one of the worst in Europe, and now it is the lowest in the last 300 years.
In light of these factors and the announced figures, as well as the ongoing “war to the last Ukrainian”, the outflow of population and the sad economic prospects, we can state that the so-called Ukraine (as a state entity) has no future in the long term.
#Ukraine

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 13 2024 18:22 utc | 369

About defeating drones: what is needed is a defensive drone equivalent of a bat. That detects objects within a few hundred meters acoustically. Then crashes into them detonating a small charge. Have a few of these flying overhead a vehicle or company of soldiers, programmed, perhaps with some AI, to identify incoming drone threats and neutralise them.
It’s notable that among Russian leaning telegram channels, there is an increasing number of videos of Ukrainian drones being destroyed by Russian drones.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 13 2024 9:59 utc | 303

A tennis racket might be better, but how to do that? I was thinking of a ground drone, a remotely controlled mini 4×4 that travels with a platoon, with acoustic ‘ears’ that can lock on to the FPV, along with whatever other detection systems that would be helpful, that launches a small RPG at the drone, detonating within a few meters of it. Course I have no background in military technology, but seems to me that the technology to develop small weapons that can destroy these drones shouldn’t be that daunting to develop, considering all the high tech weapons systems in use already. Maybe its as simple as equipping every unit with a couple trained soldiers with big shotguns and some kind of acoustic sensors to point them in the right direction. If Russia comes up with a counter to FPV that consistently destroys or disables them, than all bets are off. It could change the battlefield overnight.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 13 2024 18:58 utc | 370

Re Chinese drones. Who is to say that there is no ‘back door’ burnt into their chipsets? And if so, who has been given access to the keys?

Posted by: Waymad | Jul 13 2024 19:08 utc | 371

Posted by: Waymad | Jul 13 2024 19:08 utc | 371
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People who talk about “backdoors” in hardware have been watching too much Hollywood and listening to too many floor speeches by Tom Cotton.
The way to do a backdoor is with software. Code is easier to obfuscate and hide than physical circuitry.
It is very American to imagine the Chinese would have to alter the quality of the stuff they make rather than use a high-tech solution. The paradox is that the Chinese make junk, and yet the West is addicted to consuming it. Like the paradox that Putin is crazy and dumb, and yet he’s a threat to the entire planet.
The only backdoor the US needs to worry about is the backdoors of all of the sodomite military leaders in the Pentagon (interesting symbol, innit?).

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2024 19:35 utc | 372

” Re Chinese drones. Who is to say that there is no ‘back door’ burnt into their chipsets? And if so, who has been given access to the keys?
Posted by: Waymad | Jul 13 2024 19:08 utc | 371 ”
Thats just silly, The Chinese government is too moral to do that. Also, the massive surveillance system in China is for its citizens protection as they might start having the wrong type of thoughts.

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 13 2024 19:41 utc | 373

” The way to do a backdoor is with software. Code is easier to obfuscate and hide than physical circuitry.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2024 19:35 utc | 372 ”
So true, thats why the US government doesnt have physical backdoors built into the hardware code, such as firmware or the Instruction Set Architecture of CPU’s. They’re just too dumb to think of such things and this kind of spying has never been suspected by the IT community over the last several decades. So unthinkable.

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 13 2024 19:48 utc | 374

I can’t escape the idea that civic/financial collapse of Ukraine will occur before military collapse, precipitating complete capitulation, possibly with some oblasts striking out for independence at the same time.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2024 18:06 utc | 366
It is not that easy. In Korea 2-3 million Koreans had to die until the USA withdrew to the 38th parallel demanded by China and in Vietnam 2.5 million in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia had to die until the Americans disappeared again – so there is still a bit of room for maneuver Ukraine…

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jul 13 2024 19:48 utc | 375

It is not that easy. In Korea … in Vietnam …
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jul 13 2024 19:48 utc | 375

Back then, the aggressor USA had a positive balance of trade and a healthy capital account.
The US last had a trade surplus in 1975.
The conditions for a financial collapse have changed.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 13 2024 19:52 utc | 376

john helmer from 2 days ago..
THE KIEV CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL, THE RUSSIAN X-101 MISSILE, AND THE UKRAINE NASAMS MISSILE — THE WARHEAD EVIDENCE, MEDICAL AND AUTOPSY REPORTS ARE MISSING
Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 15:40 utc | 350
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Posted by: unimperator | Jul 13 2024 17:57 utc | 364
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first off – thanks for all your posts at moa.. they are typically informative and educational and i appreciate it..
what wmike mijajlovic says makes sense…. what do you think happened with regard to the hospital and area right next to it??
Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 17:59 utc | 365
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Much obliged for many of both your postings.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 13 2024 20:10 utc | 377

ZH has a posting up with the title
Russia Initiates Call With Pentagon After NATO Offered Ukraine ‘Irreversible’ Membership Path
the quote

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Friday spoke by phone Russian Minister of Defense Andrey Belousov for the second time in less than a month. The call was initiated by Moscow just after the close of the NATO summit hosted by Biden in Washington this week.
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The two sides had been quiet since a call in March 2023, but communications have been picking up, after a June 25th call which reestablished communications.
But Russia likely registered its anger at the NATO summit committing to an “irreversible path” for Ukraine’s NATO membership. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg still admitted in will be a very long path, as much as ten years or more.
He said in a CBS News interview days ago: “Well, no one has said exactly 10 years but- but- but it’s obvious that it is a very serious issue to bring in Ukraine. Because Ukraine is now a country at war.”
“Ukraine has been attacked by- by Russia. So the most important thing we should do is to step up our support to Ukraine to ensure that Ukraine prevails,” he continued. “That’s a precondition for any future membership for Ukraine.”
According to The Hill, another recent issue which has roiled Russia and was likely conveyed by Belousov to Austin, is seen in the following:

What’s more, NATO has backed Ukraine’s push for more latitude in its use of Western-supplied weapons to strike inside Russia, with the United Kingdom announcing it would allow Kyiv to hit targets over Russian borders with British-provided long-range missiles.

There’s also the US decision to deploy long-range missiles to Europe in violation of the previously in place INF treaty, which the US pulled out of in 2019. The missiles are expected to be deployed to Germany soon.

So, when do we see the first long range missiles heading toward Russia? I would guess fairly soon give the state of things in Ukraine.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2024 20:19 utc | 378

” The US last had a trade surplus in 1975.
The conditions for a financial collapse have changed.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 13 2024 19:52 utc | 376 ”
Really? In what currency is China, India, Saudi Arabia and others paid in by the US? Additionally, why dont they demand payment in other currencies besides the one they get paid in currently?

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 13 2024 20:24 utc | 379

” So, when do we see the first long range missiles heading toward Russia? I would guess fairly soon give the state of things in Ukraine.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2024 20:19 utc | 378 ”
Good question but heres a better one. When will we see Russian missiles heading to Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico or other nations close to the US?

Posted by: Moonie | Jul 13 2024 20:26 utc | 380

Really?
Posted by: Moonie | Jul 13 2024 20:24 utc | 379

Yes. Prices don’t lie.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 13 2024 20:27 utc | 381

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 13 2024 15:05 utc | 346
That is the French way to see victories and defeats. They know a lot about defeats by experience (1812, 1870, 1914, 1940, 1954, 1962, etc.), but have the habit to turn them into victories. Their only victories are when they are able to commit genocides.
For instance, they call the Berezina a great victory. The Russian army destroyed the so call Great Army and will be soon in Paris and the French empire was destroyed. Some French people will never learn and we have several examples here of such stupidity.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2024 20:34 utc | 382

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jul 13 2024 19:48 utc | 375
I’m not sure I understand your comparisons with Korea or Vietnam. My view remains that the conditions are ripening for a wholesale financial/economic collapse in Ukraine. This will either be preceded by or, more likely, followed by wholesale civil upheaval within the country. In such circumstances trying to maintain a military campaign against a foreign adversary becomes a meaningless concept.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2024 20:42 utc | 383

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2024 20:19 utc | 378
I do not understant why you are posting such crap.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2024 20:46 utc | 384

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 15:40 utc | 350
Someone already posted that link before. Russian does not target civilians.
Here is another link:
https://reseauinternational.net/fact-checking-de-lattaque-de-lhopital-pediatrique-de-kiev-du-08-07-2024/
The visul evidence says it all.
The western hypocrisy at its best considering the fate of the Palestinian hospitals. Especially when newborns are let to die in incubators when electricity was cut. Remember the Koweiti incubators of the empire of lies…

Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2024 21:05 utc | 385

Posted by: james | Jul 13 2024 15:40 utc | 350
Helmer is interesting most of the times, but sometimes he seems not to understand what is going on. Especially about the Skripal.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2024 21:06 utc | 386

Vargas ref Dk and Nl
Easy answer: they aŕe kingdoms who got rid very early of any workers movement (no 1st May demos, to start with). They fed the populace with ‘the reds are comin’ mottos for a century and it works perfect…

Posted by: Minaa | Jul 13 2024 21:11 utc | 387

Vargas ref Dk and Nl
Easy answer: they aŕe kingdoms who got rid very early of any workers movement (no 1st May demos, to start with). They fed the populace with ‘the reds are comin’ mottos for a century and it works perfect…
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 13 2024 21:11 utc | 387
How is that possible?
These countries had strong social democratic movements in the past.
Also, the ruling class was rational in their greedy ways.

Posted by: vargas | Jul 13 2024 21:29 utc | 388

US adopts German WW2 strategy. Loses repeatedly in every war, winning only with absurd scenarios like Desert Shield/Storm, but never questions the gotta go fast and capture capital method. Sad, really. But it reflects the mindset of the West as a whole. Only the State matters, only cities, only technology.

Posted by: Skarnkai | Jul 13 2024 21:36 utc | 389

Posted by: anonposter | Jul 13 2024 16:41 utc | 358
‘But surely you recognize that small drones simply weren’t an issue until very recently’. Yes they were, to those who could see, but the internal-politics of the military (irrespective of country) made sure that the implications of their wide-spread use were not fully realised, given that they threatened so many vested interests. They also failed to appreciate the synergies that would be created between the civilian drone market and all the attendant technologies, or that ever-more capable machines could be bought on a budget, massively expanding the market. This expansion was then capitalised on by the Chinese, with obvious implications for their use as substitutes for conventional military platforms.
The unpreparedness by the world’s militaries to the small drone threat, is a testament to those organisations Achilles heel when it comes to anticipating the impact of future trends, especially those that disrupt their natural order. Their response, and lack of urgency, was reflected in articles like this.
https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/41/2/7/12140/Separating-Fact-from-Fiction-in-the-Debate-over
https://warontherocks.com/2020/12/how-the-army-out-innovated-the-islamic-states-drones/
True it’s easy to have 20/20 hindsight, and ignore the fact that the military were caught between two divergent schools of thought; however, it’s also fair to say that the optimists bromides were listened to far too readily, whilst the pessimists arguments, based on precedence, were dismissed too easily.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 21:39 utc | 390

New “weekly report from Maria”, an interview with Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Galuzin”, and a long article posted by Marat Khairullen at his substack, “Weapons Are The New Oil” and more are ready for barflies to read. Oh, and don’t miss “What Kind of Ideology Does Russia Need?” from the most recent issue of the Journal of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service by Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation, People’s Artist of the Russian Federation, director, author and presenter of the program “BesogonTV,” Nikita Sergeevich Mikhalkov.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 13 2024 22:04 utc | 391

My view remains that the conditions are ripening for a wholesale financial/economic collapse in Ukraine.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2024 20:42 utc | 383

Agreed, IMHO precipitated by the shutdown of the Ukraine power grid.

Regarding anti-drone drones… I’ve always thought that those small, superfast “race drones” could be employed utilizing their HD cameras and minimal AI to recognize and attack larger enemy drones. They could be launch & forget, programmed to loiter and scan until they find a target. Given the small size, high speed & extreme maneuverability they’d be almost impossible — and certainly not economic — to try and bring down. Such mini drones could deny a battlespace to larger FPVs that threaten troops & light armor.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 13 2024 22:05 utc | 392

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Friday spoke by phone with his Russian counterpart for the second time in less than a month and one day after the NATO summit wrapped up in Washington with a focus on countering Moscow, according to the Pentagon.
During the call with Russian Minister of Defense Andrey Belousov, which was initiated by Moscow, Austin “emphasized the importance of maintaining lines of communication amid Russia’s ongoing war against Ukraine,” deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters.

What does Russia have form talking with US government?

Posted by: vargas | Jul 13 2024 22:19 utc | 393

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2024 18:06 utc | 366
It’s the same discussion in every war: With living conditions deteriorating, how long until the population revolts/ refuses to follow orders? Similar questions wrt economic sanctions.
Empirically, I can think of few examples when it has ever “worked”. Yugoslavia 1999 is a rare case where military pressure + destruction of civilian infrastructure made a government reverse course.
Ukraine has, unfortunately, enough fanatics who actually believe the anti-Russian (fascist) propaganda, and who will force others to keep going. Germany 1945 was the same.
Maybe more importantly, there’s still enough Western money flowing into the pockets of Kiev elites.
Why would they want to end this?
Moonie | Jul 13 2024 20:24 utc | 379/380
In what currency are China, India, Saudi Arabia and others paid by the US?
When will we see Russian missiles heading to Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico or other nations close to the US?

India has a chronic CA deficit, China stopped accumulating $ 10 years ago. Of the three, only Saudi Arabia has a CA surplus (at current oil prices) and still accepts $.
There were rumours surrounding the recent Russian fleet visit to the Caribbean. For now, I’d assume they were unfounded, but…wait & see.

Posted by: smuks | Jul 13 2024 22:19 utc | 394

Posted by: smuks | Jul 13 2024 22:19 utc | 394
Found this while researching (sorry on wikipedia)
Moonie my very young friend I suggest you follow up
• According to the Atlantic Council’s Thomas Hill in December 2023, the de-dollarization efforts within BRICS, particularly in North Africa, present a significant challenge to US interests. The inclusion of Egypt and the enthusiasm in Algiers and Tunis suggest that North African states may actively support BRICS’s priority of de-dollarization. This poses a threat to the US, as a coordinated de-dollarization effort in the region could diminish American influence and impact existing trade agreements. The expansion of BRICS raises concerns for US policymakers, given the group’s commitment to global de-dollarization, which aims to replace the dollar with the “R5” or “the renminbi, ruble, rupee, real, and rand”, or with other multilateral central bank digital currency (CBDC) as the new global currency. This shift could limit the US ability to run deficits and maintain low interest rates. Moreover, de-dollarization would undermine the effectiveness of US sanctions, relying on the SWIFT system, as BRICS seeks alternative financial systems, potentially making SWIFT obsolete.[147]

Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2024 23:06 utc | 395

Trump shot at Pa. rally live updates: Attempted Trump assassin, attendee killed: sources
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/trump-shot-at-pa-rally-live-updates-reactions-photos-more/

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jul 13 2024 23:54 utc | 396

Sorry, wrong thread.

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jul 13 2024 23:54 utc | 397

Posted by: Skarnkai | Jul 13 2024 21:36 utc | 389
I have a suspicion that you don’t know much about either country’s military strategy.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 13 2024 23:56 utc | 398

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jul 13 2024 23:54 utc | 396
There’s nothing to apologize for! I was going to break the news, and I saw your poster. This attack will have unimaginable repercussions!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 14 2024 0:07 utc | 399

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jul 13 2024 23:54 utc | 396
The bullet grazed Trump’s head, injuring his ear. Trump heard the buzzing sound, reached for it, saw the blood, and ducked. The alleged shooter was already dead.

Posted by: Elber | Jul 14 2024 0:26 utc | 400