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July 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-165
News & views related to the conflict in Ukraine …
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Why is the Western politics so brave and suicidal? Posted by: vargas | Jul 12 2024 9:41 utc | 101 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:38 utc | 100 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 9:42 utc | 102 So that could mean someone has changed the words on the teleprompter? Why would that be? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 10:11 utc | 103 Dima: Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:13 utc | 104 Re US missiles in Germany. I think that is were the US unit that were to take delivery of the US boost glide missiles were stationed. US was to have two versions – ground launched and air launched. Air launched was a failure as they couldn’t get the repurposed booster to launch from the B-52 as far as I know. The unit in Germany was to have the ground launched version and were practicing with missiles with dummy war heads. As they had had a couple of successful tests with lab built glide vehicles was was just a matter of successful production glide vehicles. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 10:19 utc | 105 Posted by: Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:05 utc | 50 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 12 2024 10:21 utc | 106 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 10:19 utc | 105 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:25 utc | 107 unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:25 utc | 107 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 10:55 utc | 108 How far behind can RF be on this? Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 10:55 utc | 109 “Like liverwurst Scholz trying to buy gas from Canada and Qatar. Both wanted long term contracts at set price to set up the infrastructure.” “Theres gonna be no F16s for Ukraine. Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15 Posted by: Lex | Jul 12 2024 11:43 utc | 112 BREAKING
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 11:45 utc | 113 How far behind can RF be on this? Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 11:47 utc | 114 Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85 Posted by: snake | Jul 12 2024 11:49 utc | 115 paddy Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 11:50 utc | 116 canuck | Jul 12 2024 11:36 utc | 111 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 11:52 utc | 117 Even Australia is sending some token troops along with a new batch of weapons for the Nato force in Ukraine. That was in todays government tabloid. Not a training mission in UK or Europe, but a Nato force in Ukraine. Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 12:00 utc | 118 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 11:52 utc | 117 Some good ol’ dakka.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 12:01 utc | 120 snake Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 121 What makes you think they’re “behind”? Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 122 Thanks, NATO turds:
Posted by: Boo | Jul 12 2024 12:04 utc | 123 rk Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:07 utc | 124 According to Alexander Mercouris the US will send many Hawk AA missiles. These were designed in the 1950’s and are beyond useless. Except maybe as decoys. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:10 utc | 125 China to take part in 11 day military exercises in Belarus. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 12:11 utc | 126 Even Australia is sending some token troops Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 12:12 utc | 127 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:13 utc | 104 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 12 2024 12:15 utc | 128 Abused Ol’ Criminal Joe introducing “Putin” is not only comedy gold, but also a riddle Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 12 2024 12:20 utc | 129 Regarding the F16’s to Ukraine, either: Posted by: jared | Jul 12 2024 12:22 utc | 130 Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 122 Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 12:28 utc | 131 Are the west Ukrainians really aware that … they’ve already lost their former country to US-based foreign corporate vultures? Posted by: Passerby | Jul 12 2024 12:32 utc | 132 Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 12:28 utc | 131 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 12:33 utc | 133 craven media will gaslight the public that all its problems have to do with Russia/China/Iran/North Korea et al and so will continue onto marching towards WW3. Posted by: jpc | Jul 12 2024 12:34 utc | 134
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:43 utc | 135 Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85 Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 12:48 utc | 136 Somebody the other day mentioned Russia digging defensive positions behind the frontlines in the new Kharkov front. It seems Russian intel has very good information on what Nato/Ukraine plan.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:49 utc | 137 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 121 Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 138 The English propaganda machine the BBC going big on the bombing of the “Cancer Hospital” firmly blaming Russia for the deaths of children in the hospital. The English broadcaster plays its part in spinning multiples lies against Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 139 From history legends youtube channel, it seems Ukraine now has enough troops for rotations. That would mean half the force at any given time would be in back areas and half on the frontline. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 140 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:07 utc | 124 Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2024 13:05 utc | 141 The reason these ‘laser air defenses’ aren’t being fielded is because they require very large and bulky electric generators and are for all intents and purposes immobile to be used on a mobile front. That, and perhaps they are not as efficient and useful as advertised against drone, let alone missile targets. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 142 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 140 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 143 Just some thoughts on war-gaming, it was being said that the goal before this conflict started wasn’t so much to win but to make Russia fight. In this light Russia lost by fighting, aka unprovoked invasion. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 144 watcher | Jul 12 2024 13:05 utc | 141 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 145 We are watching, but everyone is actively preparing for the future battle, which, according to our data, will be the largest in the entire history of the conflict. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 146 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:49 utc | 137 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 12 2024 13:21 utc | 147 unimperator | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 143 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:24 utc | 148 “… they think pumping more money to MIC will solve all their problems. It won’t, it increases cost per unit and waste and decreases the time the west is going bankrupt.” Posted by: Tom Paine | Jul 12 2024 13:26 utc | 149 Or to rephrase, the value of cash is proportional to the distance from the inflationary epicentre. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 13:36 utc | 150 Some chaos in London – yesterday vs. today:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/keir-starmer-approves-british-storm-062312218.html Posted by: smuks | Jul 12 2024 13:38 utc | 151 Mid July now. Much of Europe will be deporting male Ukraine refugees to Poland and perhaps given some basic training as cannon fodder. From there sent to die on the frontlines. I guess Europe gets to keep the women. Might help to balance the large influx of young Muslim men that entered Europe as refugees. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:39 utc | 152 Elegant adaptation of two e-hoverboards into a single-use landmine carrier.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 12 2024 13:41 utc | 153 guest from franconia@85….no offence dear guest, but by pointing out the obvious Russophiles will leek in their pants. How dare you point out what many here have pointed out for over two years and then been shit on for being NAFO Troll, and on someone’s payroll. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:42 utc | 154 Not directly ukraine but with significant impact and I would like some comments on an article I found. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:43 utc | 155 reply to 147 Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 12 2024 13:45 utc | 156 The F16 addition is a fig leaf…. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 13:51 utc | 157 Anybody got a synopsis on Simplicius latest on AI drones? Yes, re-trying to cut off Crimea looks idiotic but I do wonder about the new ‘one more year and Ukraine can win’ idea. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:53 utc | 158 @unimperator Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 12 2024 13:55 utc | 159 HB_Norica@144….let’s play a game of chicken…..we know no matter how many air fields Russia destroys 404 can still put birds in the air loaded with a pile of nasty shit. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:57 utc | 160 If you were Russia who would you strike first, Germany or Poland? Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 12 2024 13:58 utc | 161 Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 12 2024 13:58 utc | 161 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 12 2024 14:00 utc | 162 No one wins the SMO while NATO Colonizers roam 404 freely on untouched rail lines that bring death to the LOCC…..have you heard the ‘attrition’ joke…..Russia will demilitarize the West. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:04 utc | 163 No one wins the SMO while NATO Colonizers roam 404 freely on untouched rail lines that bring death to the LOCC…..have you heard the ‘attrition’ joke…..Russia will demilitarize the West. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:06 utc | 164 If you were Russia who would you strike first, Germany or Poland? Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 14:06 utc | 165 unimperator | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 143 Posted by: smuks | Jul 12 2024 14:10 utc | 166 @Elmagnostic Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 12 2024 14:13 utc | 167 For the rest, I’m afraid it’s mostly going according to US/UK plan. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 12 2024 14:14 utc | 168 The F16 addition is a fig leaf…. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:14 utc | 169 Simplicius article Posted by: ld | Jul 12 2024 14:15 utc | 170 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:39 utc | 152 Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 14:20 utc | 171 Nothing feels like wrong in your head when you write about deporting people to Poland ? Just asking :p Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 14:26 utc | 172 Re the Rubbish about Russia being defeated due to escalation. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:33 utc | 173 The tide has turned as Russian assaults are creamed on the battlefields by non stop cheap drones. Posted by: Surferket | Jul 12 2024 14:33 utc | 174 Ukraine Weekly Update, 12th July 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-766 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 12 2024 14:35 utc | 175 Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 14:20 utc | 171 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:37 utc | 176 Elmagnostic @ 161
Obviously Poland, it’s a pawn, Germany is a rook. I don’t mean strategically or tactically which is changing and evolving, I mean in terms of the USA and Brussels giving a shit. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 14:38 utc | 177 @ vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 12 2024 14:39 utc | 179 The only way to disrupt the operation of the automated control system is to destroy the enemy’s communications equipment … Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 14:45 utc | 180 Bloody fools. If they had of escaped to Russia early instead of Europe, they would all be safe. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 12 2024 14:47 utc | 181 stop cheap drones. Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 14:48 utc | 182 Peter AU1 @ 176 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 14:49 utc | 183 reply to 174 Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 12 2024 14:50 utc | 184 No. The US is not remotely close to developing hypersonic missiles. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 14:50 utc | 185 LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 14:49 utc | 183 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:57 utc | 186 In Ukraine so long as there is a pulse they pass the medical…. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 15:01 utc | 187 @184 Posted by: paddy | Jul 12 2024 15:10 utc | 189 @ ryanggg | Jul 12 2024 6:04 utc | 80 Posted by: james | Jul 12 2024 15:14 utc | 190 I read some time ago Nato/ukie in Ukraine was all computerized through starlink. all information from drones sats everything goes into a central computer including unit positions. Something is spotted at a certain position, relevant unit instantly gets that intel. Drone launcher and pilot, artillery, whatever. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:18 utc | 191 The operator has to teach the model!!! Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 15:22 utc | 192 Dear pilots “get as close as possible to LOCC, fire your Shadow Scalps, if enemy locks on and fires at you, release your pay load and eject.” My pilots are firing two nuclear weapons each, got 10 in the air, preceded by a drone and missile swarm. Peace be with you. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 12 2024 15:35 utc | 193 I’m surprised the quad can carry these guys given the weight of their brass balls: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 15:39 utc | 194 all computerized through starlink.
Google says
A single Starlink dish is not sufficient for more than a few video uplinks. Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 15:44 utc | 195 we have one ukrainian refugee family down the road here in bavaria. their son is 17 currently. i had a chat with the father, and he was visibly nervous about the news that uk, poland, the baltics, and now germany here are thinking about basically deporting his son into a military conflict zone. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 15:44 utc | 196 too scents | Jul 12 2024 15:44 utc | 195 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:54 utc | 197 Russian students on one occasion and Chinese students on another setting up and operating drone swarms. Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 16:03 utc | 198 Peter AU1, Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 16:06 utc | 199 |
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