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July 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-165

News & views related to the conflict in Ukraine …

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Why is the Western politics so brave and suicidal?
It is not normal for capitalists to eisc so much. This os more a kind of gambling with Russia.

Posted by: vargas | Jul 12 2024 9:41 utc | 101

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:38 utc | 100
even if… why did the whole nato audience applaud when biden was about to present president of ukraine, putin? is this an early premature aknowledgment of nato that russia will win ukraine?
this whole “big boi press conference” was hillarious and sad at the same time.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 9:42 utc | 102

So that could mean someone has changed the words on the teleprompter? Why would that be?
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:38 utc | 100

They figured if he was going to reinforce his political suicide they might as well give him plenty of rope! The DNC knows he’s a huge albatross on their collective necks.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 10:11 utc | 103

Dima:
-AFU has retreated from Hlubove, perhaps related to the end of NATO summit
-RU expanded their bridgehead over Vovcha river and the AFU hold in central part/citadel and eastern part is weakening
-The bridgehead around Burguvatka is still maintained
-Urozhaine abandoned by AFU, in large part
-RUAF finally captured the main stronghold north of Novoselivka-Pershy, and made an unexpected movement into the middle of the village itself.
Dima also had an interesting chart from Wall Street Journal showing the reliance of US primary missile contractors and their reliance on Chinese suppliers in every aspect of missile production. Data links, electronics, general, propulsion, seeker, software, structure, testing and fuze and detonators categories for US companies Lockheed, Northtrop Grumman, Boeing, Kaiman, General Dynamics, Leonardo and Raytheon are all produced by Chinese companies.
https://t.me/MilSumArchive/3925

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:13 utc | 104

Re US missiles in Germany. I think that is were the US unit that were to take delivery of the US boost glide missiles were stationed. US was to have two versions – ground launched and air launched. Air launched was a failure as they couldn’t get the repurposed booster to launch from the B-52 as far as I know. The unit in Germany was to have the ground launched version and were practicing with missiles with dummy war heads. As they had had a couple of successful tests with lab built glide vehicles was was just a matter of successful production glide vehicles.
I don’t know if it was just the air launched they gave up on or the ground launched as well.
If both versions failed, during the trump reign, production of ballistic intermediate range nuclear missiles was started it will be these going to Germany.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 10:19 utc | 105

Posted by: Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:05 utc | 50
IMHO, Western politicians will order the army to send soldiers to Ukraine and “do something”.
Not enough soldiers to change the course of the war.
But enough soldiers so the politicians are able to say “We sent our best men.”
Like when you call a customer service department.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 12 2024 10:21 utc | 106

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 10:19 utc | 105
The missiles in Germany are going to be the Tomahawk-on-VLS launchers placed on some mobile platform. Can’t remember what was the official name. Martyanov analyzed them on his video a week or two ago saying they are just Tomahawk missiles on a pickup truck. Is this any different than fielded by the US navy in the Baltic sea, for example?
US doesn’t have an intra-atmospheric hypersonic cruise missile, nor it will be having one anytime soon, either. So sub-sonic Tomahawk is still the main weapon of US in everything including what they plan in Germany.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:25 utc | 107

unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:25 utc | 107
Thanks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 10:55 utc | 108

How far behind can RF be on this?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/12/star-wars-south-korea-touts-lasers-to-shoot-down-norths-drones

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 10:55 utc | 109

“Like liverwurst Scholz trying to buy gas from Canada and Qatar. Both wanted long term contracts at set price to set up the infrastructure.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 29
‘Expensive infrastructure” -that was Trudeau’s excuse but it is up to private companies to build the infrastructure-what he really is doing, IMO, is keeping his WEF flag waving as those cult fuckers feel any fossil fuel is ‘evil’-as Trudeau tries to sell Hydrogen tech. to Scholz when the tech is not even there yet.
“Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his German counterpart, Chancellor Olaf Scholz, appeared to pour cold water on the idea of shipping Canadian natural gas to Europe when asked about the proposal Monday.
At a news conference in Montreal, the two leaders instead suggested that their priority is developing cleaner energy sources, like green hydrogen, in Canada for export to Europe to help solve the continent’s energy crunch.
While not ruling out a role for Canadian natural gas in alleviating Europe’s energy shortage, Trudeau said there isn’t a clear business case yet for building a liquefied natural gas (LNG) export terminal in Saint John or elsewhere.” (1)
1. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-scholz-canadian-natural-gas-europe-1.6558542

Posted by: canuck | Jul 12 2024 11:23 utc | 110

“Theres gonna be no F16s for Ukraine.
It’s empty talk intended to strengthen the weakened morale of the Kiev troops stationed on the frontline. The western countries are aware that the end of the war is imminent. There are clear indications. The west are still anticipating a potential internal strife in Russia that might result in the overthrow of the Kremlin administration. This has been the primary reason for the acts of the west from the beginning. However, they have underestimated the cohesion inside Russia about the problem of Ukraine.
One last throw of the dice to try and keep the troops fighting.”
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 11 2024 22:34 utc | 36
Excellent post!
One thing I just don’t get: the West going after the Russian expat oligarchs. Instead of persecuting them and trying to steal their assets a much better policy would have been to embrace them and turn them against Putin and promise them more power in Russia once it is ‘put down’ so to speak.
But no the Oligarchs, understandably, have fled back to Russia with their capital and expertise making Russia and its regime stringer.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 12 2024 11:36 utc | 111

Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15
LOL, very soon the US will finish developing hypersonic weapons. The failed tests and the cancelled programs are proof. American cope is the cringiest. Maybe DoD should focus on not paying $50k for an airplane trash can and not relying on Chinese components to build everything and then it go hypersonic.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 12 2024 11:43 utc | 112

BREAKING

The Romanian airbase Fetesti will likely be used for Ukrainian F-16s, their refueling, rearmament, repair and covered storage.
Ukrainians F-16 pilots were trained to take off and land on Fetesti.
This gives Russia the chance to attack a NATO base without repercussions.
“>https://x.com/AlternatNews/status/1811712931890934035

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 11:45 utc | 113

How far behind can RF be on this?
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 10:55 utc | 109
What makes you think they’re “behind”?

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 11:47 utc | 114

Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85
Western AI and Chinese-made Ukrainian drones are successfully countering the Russian advance. Russia can only win if it takes the gloves off and, among other things, completely destroys Ukraine’s electrical infrastructure and stops all supplies of oil and gas and diesel fuel to the West. Always remember, all actions of Russia’s enemies by land, air and sea are only possible because Russia supplies them with the fuel. Let everyone make up their own mind about the seriousness of Russia’s efforts to win this war.
My humble opinion.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 10:55 utc | 109
How far behind can RF be on this?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/12/star-wars-south-korea-touts-lasers-to-shoot-down-norths-drones
<=A South Korean invasion into North Korea, right this minute..would change the private corporation owned, NATO game plan for suppressing, conquering, and controlling the nation state organized world? Likely NK would destroy western manufacturing happening in South Korea, just my speculation? I predict China and Russia are organized to cut the collective west off from Russian and Chinese goods.. Expanded BRICS makes withdrawal of the Eastern nations and global south into SCO and BRICS organized nation states feasible; if that were to happen, many things in the west would soon grind to a halt.. seems to me if Russia cuts its ties with Israel, helps Syria and Turkey to buddy up, and helps Turkey exit NATO in favor of BRICS and SCO, the balance of power would shift from the West far to the East.. and the new trade exchange system (designed to replace transactions in USD currency) being developed by BRICS is likely to ease the pain that such a scenario might otherwise cause the Eastern nations. AS I see it now, such a shift is very close to happening, it is waiting on the completion of the BRICS international exchange system and the transfer of goodies to North Korea.. both of which are now in progress. It is likely that India will become a BRICS member in time? The fulcrum for such a shift is North Korea.. as I see?

Posted by: snake | Jul 12 2024 11:49 utc | 115

paddy
26
“I have no idea what US will give in place of patriot!”
According to Alexander Mercouris the US will send many Hawk AA missiles. These were designed in the 1950’s and are beyond useless. Except maybe as decoys.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 11:50 utc | 116

canuck | Jul 12 2024 11:36 utc | 111
Remember the scorn at the talk of a southern offensive? Looked ridiculous. Russia knew it was coming and prepared for it. I felt sure with the Russian defenses in depth all the way back into Crimea, that Nato would attack on a different front. But no, The US/UK desperately wanted Crimea and threw the cannon fodder against those defenses.
Now instead of saying something wont happen because its ridiculous, I look at what Russia is doing and saying. They are training to take down F-16s and preparing for war with Europe so I think it is very likely both those will happen.
Even Australia is sending some token troops along with a new batch of weapons for the Nato force in Ukraine. That was in todays government tabloid. Not a training mission in UK or Europe, but a Nato force in Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 11:52 utc | 117

Even Australia is sending some token troops along with a new batch of weapons for the Nato force in Ukraine. That was in todays government tabloid. Not a training mission in UK or Europe, but a Nato force in Ukraine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 11:52 utc | 117
I see you have big difficulties with Ingles.
“operational partner to a new NATO command for Ukraine” is not in Ukr, it’s in Germany and will start with 700 “trainers”.

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 12:00 utc | 118

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 11:52 utc | 117
The big problem I see is that as the western economies going into a death spiral: they all suffer from indebtedness, domestic political schisms, sanctions boomerang costs such that the West and their craven media will gaslight the public that all its problems have to do with Russia/China/Iran/North Korea et al and so will continue onto marching towards WW3.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 12 2024 12:00 utc | 119

Some good ol’ dakka.

NATO Lend Lease not as it seems:
⚡️😂⚡️🇩🇰🇺🇦Denmark was going to transfer all its air defence to Ukraine, but it turned out to be junk to be dismantled
The fact is that all of Denmark’s air defences consist of 36 old 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft guns and around 400 out-of-service Stinger missiles and 85 launchers for them.
Moreover, Denmark had previously, in 2022, refused to supply them to the Ukrainian armed forces, citing the obsolescence of the weapons: they had been produced in the 1980s and 1990s.
In 2018, Latvia bought some missiles and launchers and then transferred them to the Ukrainian armed forces.
And the Danes sent the remaining 400 Stingers for storage and would have disposed of them, but never got around to it. According to the Danish army, these MANPADS no longer meet modern requirements: they are deflected by heat traps and are not targeted at UAVs.
The L-60 anti-aircraft gun was generally developed in the 1930s in Sweden, the L-70 was created after the Second World War; these weapons were also in storage.
The need to transfer all Danish air defence to Ukraine was announced by the country’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen⚡️😂⚡️
“>https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1811714369002123689

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 12:01 utc | 120

snake
115
I think the reverse, North Korea invasion of the South, is more likely. Tie up the U.S. in an unwinnable war of industrial production to dilute Ukraine and other efforts. With those vulnerable shipping routes as well.
India to join BRICS? What does the “I” in BRICS stand for? Israel?

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 121

What makes you think they’re “behind”?
Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 11:47 utc | 114
The news (propaganda or not) mentions mass production still this year.
Last summer there was talk about a new RF IR laser but have heard nothing since about it being mass produced, let alone reaching the front. And it seems it would be a critical game-changer so no reason for not being used.
Small correction on that last phrase, there is one possible reason, although with a heavy toll on RF forces until then, a decision could be made to produce a huge quantity and only deploy with enough numbers to basically nullify all AFU drones at the same time (which added to no artillery, no AD and no significant artillery would leave AFU completely naked against a massive RF attack)

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 122

Thanks, NATO turds:

Russia needs new territorial acquisitions
Even solely to maintain strategic nuclear parity with the United States. There should be a fairly wide zone along the Russian borders under varying degrees of our control. An urgent need is to increase the flight time of Western missiles to our territory.
All of Ukraine is needed. Because even one square meter of it that remains under Western control will have representation in the UN, membership of NATO and the EU. And also be used for a hybrid war against Russia.
On the former Ukrainian territory, in response to the deployment of the United States and its NATO allies in Europe, our INF missiles should be equipped with nuclear weapons. In addition to those that will be deployed in Belarus and the Kaliningrad region.
To create a security belt along the Russian borders, it is necessary to return the Baltic states, all of them. And also equip it with INF. Finland needs to be turned into a territory dependent on Russia under our military control: our common border is too long – 1324 km.
The urgent need is the disarmament of Poland, or better yet, disarmament + cutting it off from the Baltic Sea. Moldova should be under our military control, and the PMR should be recognized as an independent state or incorporated into Russia. Romania and Bulgaria will also have to be disarmed or… make sure that they don’t have time for war for a long time, and that NATO doesn’t exist there.
With access to the borders of Hungary and Slovakia, there will be a chance to wrest these countries from the Western military-political space. We need Hungary as a land corridor to Serbia.
By countering the threat of a preventive disarming NATO strike on Russia, we will also resolve a large number of other pressing issues. But this, of course, is the main thing – maintaining nuclear parity with the United States. And without a wide security zone along the Russian borders, it cannot be solved.

Posted by: Boo | Jul 12 2024 12:04 utc | 123

rk
Had another look and you are likely right.
” It will now also sign on as an “operational partner” to a new NATO command for Ukraine,”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:07 utc | 124

According to Alexander Mercouris the US will send many Hawk AA missiles. These were designed in the 1950’s and are beyond useless. Except maybe as decoys.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 11:50 utc | 116
I had noticed lately that some showed up in the RF kill list, not patriots, not iris-t, but hawks
They might not be good but still worth destroying (and that spends resources that could be used elsewhere)

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:10 utc | 125

China to take part in 11 day military exercises in Belarus.
China’s coming.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 12:11 utc | 126

Even Australia is sending some token troops
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 11:52 utc | 117

Hopefully they’ll get token troops from most NATO countries, that way when they’re all sent back to their countries in bodybags everyone will get the message loud & clear. I just feel bad for the the poor men they’re sacrificing… unless they’re enthusiastically volunteering for the duty.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 12:12 utc | 127

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 10:13 utc | 104
Thanks for saving me 20 minutes of watching Dima.
Lately, I have been checking out Theti Maps YT channel, he makes longer but less frequent videos with more detailed frontal updates. He also stays away from politics and focuses on the facts.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 12 2024 12:15 utc | 128

Abused Ol’ Criminal Joe introducing “Putin” is not only comedy gold, but also a riddle
is the Ol Sniffer committing sepeku?
Posted by: PubliusFlavius | Jul 11 2024 23:53 utc | 48
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Technically it’s accurate, Putin is de-jure the president of some territory of the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
Russia is also the legal continuation of the Soviet Union as a whole, so he arguably is president -claimant to all of it. Given the inherent illegality of the U.S.S.R’s dissolution.
It’s a funny ole when Joe Biden commits truth.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 12 2024 12:20 utc | 129

Regarding the F16’s to Ukraine, either:
– They will have significant impact and demonstrate technological advantage
– They will make no difference whatever their advantages being marginal
– They will be pick-off summarily in the air and on the ground
– They will be used sparely and cautiously for purposes of boosting morale
It seems to me that the situation has matured to the point that it is known to be lost cause,
it is now about delaying public realization of this and transitioning to redefining “victory”.
It seems that the nationalists have gone off the reservation.
At this point, it appears that the project has had the effect of weakening NATO and strengthening Russia, perhaps more of same will solve it. It is however making some people crazy wealthy.
The aspect of western acquisition of Ukraine assets (aside from gold) is irritating. I would think that Russia would at minimum require return of it’s assets. But I would say that for any sovereign state it should be the case that the acquisition of national assets by foreign entity is at the discretion of the state – those assets ultimately belong to the state and may be loaned but not sold.

Posted by: jared | Jul 12 2024 12:22 utc | 130

Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 122
Yes, RF announced testing a new laser in Ukr more than a year ago but no other updates were made public or I didn’t see any. They published a video with a new commercial laser used cut large trees from distance. They have an operational large mobile laser since new weapons announcement in 2018 but no details were ever made public, the specs are more secret than Avangard.
I think the problem with lasers in Ukr or Russia is that the weather is bad many months, there’s simply not much interest except for strategic reasons and they already have a laser for that.
Even in the perfect weather for lasers, Israel’s ultramegagiga non-mobile ground laser needs two beams to simultaneously track a target for many seconds to maybe damage it. And that is in the advertising info, it’s probably worse in real life.

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 12:28 utc | 131

Are the west Ukrainians really aware that … they’ve already lost their former country to US-based foreign corporate vultures?
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 12 2024 0:48 utc | 58
Many believe that inviting American companies will bring riches, and inviting the American army will bring freedom.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 12 2024 12:32 utc | 132

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 12:28 utc | 131
Newbie | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 122
The reason these ‘laser air defenses’ aren’t being fielded is because they require very large and bulky electric generators and are for all intents and purposes immobile to be used on a mobile front. That, and perhaps they are not as efficient and useful as advertised against drone, let alone missile targets.
There is no doubt tests have been made, but in very specific laboratory/test environments, with perfect weather or temperature conditions, and clearly predictable and trackable flight path of a drone.
That is why you haven’t heard more about it from Russia. I remember Britain made a PR video of a laser/AD system, but Britain usually makes PR about nothing, so it doesn’t imply they have any sort of working thing.
As far as FPV drones, the latest thing are expanding Kevlar nets shot from shotguns, which pretty much guarantees disabling a closing drone. Another problem is how do you see or track the drone in the first place.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 12:33 utc | 133

craven media will gaslight the public that all its problems have to do with Russia/China/Iran/North Korea et al and so will continue onto marching towards WW3.
Posted by: canuck | Jul 12 2024 12:00 utc | 119
They can gasligh and lie all they want.
Those consequences aren’t going away.
Number one is reliable energy!
Followed by astronomical public and private debt.
Then demographics and unfettered immigration.
Not going anywhere.

Posted by: jpc | Jul 12 2024 12:34 utc | 134

Legitimate
#rumors
Our source reports that Zelensky at the July NATO summit will have to provide a general plan for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2024.
This plan will be provided to a “narrow” circle of “NATO” people.
After that, a decision will be made on the F-16.
https://t.me/s/legitimniy/18225
Legitimate
#rumors
Our source reports that after reviewing the general provisions of the plan for the future offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which Zelensky provided to a narrow circle of NATO leaders, the Alliance Secretary General decided to appoint a high representative of the alliance in Kiev to coordinate with the Ukrainian authorities.
In fact, its role is to control the Ukrainian authorities during the offensive.
Probably, the alliance is afraid that Zelensky may try to conduct a fictitious offensive for Ukraine, which will not threaten him with the loss of power, with a counterattack by the Russians, who can break through the entire line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a large scale, the source added.
We are watching, but everyone is actively preparing for the future battle, which, according to our data, will be the largest in the entire history of the conflict.
https://t.me/s/legitimniy/18312

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:43 utc | 135

Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85
Can you define winning ? Initial objectives were to demilitarize and denazify 404, it escalated quickly and now RUAF are demilitarizing NATO. When some have to rely on Chinese production they are in facts already demilitarized. RUAF are accumulating a huge dataset in order to reverse-engineering with a fine granularity on the only “western” thing left that is the software stack. That’s may not seems like a valid reason to pay the price of fighting with a hand tied at first glance but think again. There’s a lot of “situations” around the world where it can prove useful.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 12:48 utc | 136

Somebody the other day mentioned Russia digging defensive positions behind the frontlines in the new Kharkov front. It seems Russian intel has very good information on what Nato/Ukraine plan.

T Legitimate
#layout
Zelensky hopes for an autumn offensive and a repeat of the success of the Kharkiv / Kherson operation.
The main blow will again be focused on the attempt to cut off the Russian land route to Crimea. They will try to go to Mariupol, to Tokmak to “sell” it to Western partners for the continuation of the war and trump card at the second forum, which they want to hold before the US elections. Presumably in October.
But, everyone will start with the Kharkiv region, where large forces are being pulled together. They want to use the return of Kharkiv territories as a case for inspiring the army.
https://t.me/legitimniy/18228

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:49 utc | 137

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 12 2024 12:02 utc | 121
India has ALWAYS been in BRICS
It was originally BRIC Brazil, Russia, India,China. The a few years later South Africa joined. Just this year it has added the UAE Iran, Egypt and Ethiopia, with another 40 nations interested.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 138

The English propaganda machine the BBC going big on the bombing of the “Cancer Hospital” firmly blaming Russia for the deaths of children in the hospital. The English broadcaster plays its part in spinning multiples lies against Russia.
There was a mention of the deaths of 43 people possibly elsewhere due to Russian missile strikes which would tally in with Russian missile strikes against Western weapons such as HIMARS, I’ve read that they were operated by (US) Nato personnel so they are probably dead now, and possibly added to the deaths at the “Cancer Hospital” to make it appear more devastating.
With what’s going on in Gaza and Ukraine the mask of the west has slipped right off and its an ugly, ugly sight that’s left staring us in the face.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 139

From history legends youtube channel, it seems Ukraine now has enough troops for rotations. That would mean half the force at any given time would be in back areas and half on the frontline.
For offensives, all troops can be used.
Will be interesting to see if nato uses a new box of Wiley E Coyote type wunderwaffe for the coming offensives. Possibly F-16’s though as Nato is supposedly sending a ‘representative’ to oversee the offensives, that is where I think we will definitely see the F-16’s.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 140

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:07 utc | 124
I recently heard the term “missile Marles” and rather like it

Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2024 13:05 utc | 141

The reason these ‘laser air defenses’ aren’t being fielded is because they require very large and bulky electric generators and are for all intents and purposes immobile to be used on a mobile front. That, and perhaps they are not as efficient and useful as advertised against drone, let alone missile targets.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 12:33 utc | 133
But on defense role (with power cables) they might just work (that’s what I assumed from the korean angle)
And that might help on a layered protection of RF territory as well.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 142

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:00 utc | 140
Putting all the pieces and puzzles together. A viable guess is Nato is planning an offensive around Kharkov or Zaporozhye or both. The F-16s, flown by NATO pilots will be armed and launched in the Romanian air base of Fetesti, to support the AFU offensive.
The real prospect and location for another offensive should be determined by ISR locating force concentrations in the vicinity of Zaporozhye or Kharkov front.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 143

Just some thoughts on war-gaming, it was being said that the goal before this conflict started wasn’t so much to win but to make Russia fight. In this light Russia lost by fighting, aka unprovoked invasion.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 64
Yes that was the plan except you left out the part where the Russian invasion was supposed to trigger the coup de grace, “nuclear level sanctions from hell” to quote Victoria Nuland.
Ukraine wasn’t supposed to be destroyed. Russia wasn’t supposed to be able to make and more missiles or pay their soldiers. They were supposed to be isolated from the world like North Korea. No more McDonalds, Boeing aircraft parts, Starbucks, Disney … no more travel to Paris and London. Russian oligarchs assets siezed and Putin hanging from a lamp post.
That was the USA’s plan to defeat Russia and it backfired horribly.
Russia is stronger than ever. It has a thriving MIC, it’s army has doubled in size and now has an experienced core of NCO’s and lower level officers. Posers and incompetents have been weeded out of the upper ranks. Ukraine is getting curb stomped and the USA is powerless to do something unless you believe the plan all along was to defeat Russia with a handful of obsolete F-16’s with no place to land in Ukraine.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 144

watcher | Jul 12 2024 13:05 utc | 141
About right.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 145

We are watching, but everyone is actively preparing for the future battle, which, according to our data, will be the largest in the entire history of the conflict.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:43 utc | 135
And with the last 8 months at double rate, guess who has the means to reinforce and even rotate troops , and who doesn’t.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 146

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 12:49 utc | 137
That plan is so delusional that it barely merits a response. I’ll just ask the question: with less than 3 months to go until October, and Russia still advancing all along the front, just exactly with what army does Zelensky think he is going to make such grand gains? Does such an army exist on Mars, or perhaps Jupiter?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 12 2024 13:21 utc | 147

unimperator | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 143
Some further thoughts based on what Russia is preparing for, what was said at the Nato, and your thought/information the F-16’s will be flying out of Romania.
Earlier on when France and Britain were making angry noises, it appeared a non nato European force would enter the war against Russia. That appeared to be fading, but with the nato meet, it is clear it will be European Nato. Nato require an attack on a Nato member. F-16-s flying out of Romania means the Romanian airfield/base will be hit. That will be Nato’s cue.
The Russian tactical nuke exercises with Belarus not long back, Russia talking about changing nuclear Doctrine as with the current circumstance, current doctrine not providing sufficient deterrence.
And this is all planned to occur before Trump is crowned emperor of empire again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:24 utc | 148

“… they think pumping more money to MIC will solve all their problems. It won’t, it increases cost per unit and waste and decreases the time the west is going bankrupt.”
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2024 22:00 utc | 24
An old saying in Economics: the value of currency decreases at the point of impact. Or to rephrase, the value of cash is proportional to the distance from the inflationary epicentre.

Posted by: Tom Paine | Jul 12 2024 13:26 utc | 149

Or to rephrase, the value of cash is proportional to the distance from the inflationary epicentre.
Posted by: Tom Paine | Jul 12 2024 13:26 utc | 149

I’m sure you meant INVERSELY proportional.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 13:36 utc | 150

Some chaos in London – yesterday vs. today:

Keir Starmer gives go-ahead for British missiles to be used in strikes against targets inside Russia
The decision over the use of Storm Shadow missiles, which has been welcomed by Ukraine, represents a hawkish shift in policy from the stance taken by the former Conservative government.

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-gives-go-ahead-for-british-missiles-to-be-used-in-strikes-against-targets-inside-russia-13176370

UK hasn’t allowed Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia, MoD clarifies
Britain has been forced to clarify it has not given permission for Ukraine to use Storm Shadows to strike inside Russia in an awkward diplomatic moment for Sir Keir Starmer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/keir-starmer-approves-british-storm-062312218.html
(Reminder: UK was the first country to give permission, stated by former FM Camoron in early May.)

Posted by: smuks | Jul 12 2024 13:38 utc | 151

Mid July now. Much of Europe will be deporting male Ukraine refugees to Poland and perhaps given some basic training as cannon fodder. From there sent to die on the frontlines. I guess Europe gets to keep the women. Might help to balance the large influx of young Muslim men that entered Europe as refugees.
Possibly the offensives will be launched when a good number of these are in training, to be fed in as needed, or possibly launched when they have actually been sent to Ukraine.
Bloody fools. If they had of escaped to Russia early instead of Europe, they would all be safe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:39 utc | 152

Elegant adaptation of two e-hoverboards into a single-use landmine carrier.
https://t.me/infomil_live/7964

A kamikaze (ground) robot with a TM-62 mine in service with one of the Russian army units in the Northern Military District zone.
The signal range is 2-3 kilometers.
Informant

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 12 2024 13:41 utc | 153

guest from franconia@85….no offence dear guest, but by pointing out the obvious Russophiles will leek in their pants. How dare you point out what many here have pointed out for over two years and then been shit on for being NAFO Troll, and on someone’s payroll.
I appreciate that there are still level headed people looking at the big picture rather than counting dead, very dead, bodies.
No one wins the SMO while NATO Colonizers roam 404 freely on untouched rail lines that bring death to the LOCC…..have you heard the ‘attrition’ joke…..Russia will demilitarize the West.
The SloMo problem which came to light, but not the bright light of MOA, sadly, b was incapacitated, the blog closed, so airing the Russian MOD grift and graft line got swept under the dead bodies. Pitty, any takers? Prigozian was called a traitor for exposing the real traitors within the MOD and it cost him his life. Putin knows who killed Priggy and it wasn’t anyone from the ‘agreement incapable gang’.
Cheers M
Maybe when b is healthier we can revisit the corruption within….well it seems all militaries regardless of the flag they fly under have corruption, but when it cost men and material on any LOCC….it’s worth a banter.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:42 utc | 154

Not directly ukraine but with significant impact and I would like some comments on an article I found.
Is china scared or just trying to push RF?
https://www.china-arms.com/2024/07/russia-china-united-states/
What I find bizarre is the issue of Tumen River estuary being raised when in may first principles about letting china navigate it and build a port on NK or RF land was discussed.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:43 utc | 155

reply to 147
Anybody got a synopsis on Simplicius latest on AI drones? Yes, re-trying to cut off Crimea looks idiotic but I do wonder about the new ‘one more year and Ukraine can win’ idea.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 12 2024 13:45 utc | 156

The F16 addition is a fig leaf….
-They cant be based in the Ukraine, because all the major airfields have been cratered by the RF. The F16’s need pristinely clean runways, and none now exist.
-They will be based in Romania for fueling, maintenance and arming. Really now…..the Romanians are going to engage in a suicide mission with the RF? Think again.
– They will operate off grass fields somewhere in the Ukraine. Not possible, the F16 can not operate on grass fields, unlike the A10 Warthog. Dust and debris from a grass field would destroy the F16’s sensitive engines and air intakes.
This is more NATO desparation……the front is in slow collapse as we speak and no wunderwaffe will save it now. The talk of an AFU autumn offensive is pure nonsense. They have no reserves now, they are drafting women and cripples and there ammo and oil supply and rail transport is under constant attack. They can barely hold their few fortified positions, much less go over to the offensive.
Its nearly done, Kabul is coming……………..
This situation will be resolved by a catastrophic AFU implosion, and very soon too. When we hear and see numerous reports of summarily executions of AFU deserters by Polish Commandoes and Avoz Nazi MP’s, it has to remind everyone of the closing days of the Third Reich when special squads of Hilter Youth and Gestapo agents roamed about the countryside hanging or shooting male civilians pro forma as deserters……..how did that turn out?

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 13:51 utc | 157

Anybody got a synopsis on Simplicius latest on AI drones? Yes, re-trying to cut off Crimea looks idiotic but I do wonder about the new ‘one more year and Ukraine can win’ idea.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 12 2024 13:45 utc | 156
The open part is fast to read, the closed part he sells it 😉
Maybe a paying customer might share a thing or two, but hardly a synopsis (though in the open ones you might find in the comments another substack that does an AI synopsis and analysis of his articles… can’t remember the name)

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 13:53 utc | 158

@unimperator
“By the way, when Biden called the president of Ukraine Putin, and the vice president of Biden administration Trump. There are claims he was reading from the teleprompter.”
These claims are false.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 12 2024 13:55 utc | 159

HB_Norica@144….let’s play a game of chicken…..we know no matter how many air fields Russia destroys 404 can still put birds in the air loaded with a pile of nasty shit.
Let me game it for you, my pilots have been tasked with getting as close to the LOCC…we have seen this already…and releasing their payloads, some Shadow Scalps on F16’s, shity plane btw, no match for Russians except it can carry a nuclear payload, yes that widow is now wide open. I’ve already had proxy destroy long range OTH radars.
Dear pilots “get as close as possible to LOCC, fire your Shadow Scalps, if enemy locks on and fires at you, release your pay load and eject.” My pilots are firing two nuclear weapons each, got 10 in the air, preceded by a drone and missile swarm. Peace be with you.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:57 utc | 160

If you were Russia who would you strike first, Germany or Poland?

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 12 2024 13:58 utc | 161

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 12 2024 13:58 utc | 161
############
Washington, DC. They have the longest logistics chain.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 12 2024 14:00 utc | 162

No one wins the SMO while NATO Colonizers roam 404 freely on untouched rail lines that bring death to the LOCC…..have you heard the ‘attrition’ joke…..Russia will demilitarize the West.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:42 utc | 154
Ever head of the battle of Kursk. Why chase the enemy when the enemy will come to you? The soviets destroyed operation Citadel from from defenses in depth then immediately went on the offensive.
I suspect what is coming will largely destroy nato. We watch Russian preparations and ….? Russia has been waiting for nato and not over extending itself. We will get to see that soon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:04 utc | 163

No one wins the SMO while NATO Colonizers roam 404 freely on untouched rail lines that bring death to the LOCC…..have you heard the ‘attrition’ joke…..Russia will demilitarize the West.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:42 utc | 154
Ever head of the battle of Kursk. Why chase the enemy when the enemy will come to you? The soviets destroyed operation Citadel from from defenses in depth then immediately went on the offensive.
I suspect what is coming will largely destroy nato. We watch Russian preparations and ….? Russia has been waiting for nato and not over extending itself. We will get to see that soon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:06 utc | 164

If you were Russia who would you strike first, Germany or Poland?
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jul 12 2024 13:58 utc | 161
Both are nato countries, RF does not wish to escalate and has avoided it so far.
Therefore any strike will only come if a country enters, offensively and without fig leaf, in the hostilities.
So the choice is not in the hands of RF but of those that decide to do so.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 14:06 utc | 165

unimperator | Jul 12 2024 13:12 utc | 143
Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:24 utc | 148
Romania is indeed the only option, since bases in other countries would require air refuelling.
Question is – are they serious about this? It would obviously make the base a legitimate target.
Some months ago, there was talk about providing AD from NATO countries, even of sending (French, Polish) troops. Both were considered too escalatory, there’s little talk of it now. (Polish AD covering a narrow strip near the border wouldn’t change anything.)
Wonder if the same “much ado about nothing” will happen with the Fetesti F-16 plans?
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HB_Norica | Jul 12 2024 13:13 utc | 144
I Agree that not being able to prevent the escalation/ intervention was a strategic defeat for Russia.
Putin was quite unhappy that he had been thus outmanoeuvered – one of the rare instances when his emotions were clearly visible.
For the rest, I’m afraid it’s mostly going according to US/UK plan.
The war is still going on & keeping Moscow busy after 2,5 years – but that’s secondary.
The publicly proclaimed aims of “defeating and isolating Russia” are out of reach (as everybody said from day 1), but they were never more than PR, a.k.a. propaganda anyway. The main strategic goal was and is to split EUrope from Russia, thus tightening US/UK control over the Western bloc. Appears to be on target.

Posted by: smuks | Jul 12 2024 14:10 utc | 166

@Elmagnostic
“If you were Russia who would you strike first, Germany or Poland?”
Yes.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 12 2024 14:13 utc | 167

For the rest, I’m afraid it’s mostly going according to US/UK plan.
Posted by: smuks | Jul 12 2024 14:10 utc | 166
Really? Has NATO signed Kiev up yet? No. Therefore, its not going to plan.
And what of breaking up Russia? Turning the ruble into rubble? Isolating Russia?
Id say quite catagorically it is NOT going to plan.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 12 2024 14:14 utc | 168

The F16 addition is a fig leaf….
-They cant be based in the Ukraine, because all the major airfields have been cratered by the RF. The F16’s need pristinely clean runways, and none now exist.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 13:51 utc | 157
Fast curing high strength concrete. I agree the F-16’s will be based outside Ukraine, but for the simple reason, they and groundcrews will be destroyed. Though that is going to happen no matter where their based. It is basically the casus belli for nato to declare mutual self defense.
As for runways, Soviet russian aircraft can just use compacted crushed rock for fast repair. The Americans will use fast curing high strength concrete. Good to go in 24 hours or less.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:14 utc | 169

Simplicius article
Use of AI warfar, Israel’s Lavender the AI used in Israel’s bombing of Gaza soon to be deployed in Ukraine
The system is focused on the use of NATO and will soon be deployed along the entire front line, which may increase the stability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in defense at times.
With the advent of the automated control system, all command and control of troops is taken out of the competence of individual commanders, and each of them knows every second not only the combat situation at home and neighbors, but also receives precise instructions on where to shoot, what and what result to achieve. Thus, the subjectivity of the opinion of lower commanders is eliminated from the bottom-up chain, and the commander of the front sector receives more truthful and fast information.
The only way to disrupt the operation of the automated control system is to destroy the enemy’s communications equipment – “Starlinks”, the cellular network.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing

Posted by: ld | Jul 12 2024 14:15 utc | 170

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:39 utc | 152
Nothing feels like wrong in your head when you write about deporting people to Poland ? Just asking :p

Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 14:20 utc | 171

Nothing feels like wrong in your head when you write about deporting people to Poland ? Just asking :p
Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 14:20 utc | 171
But now there is no money for gas and furnaces so they’ll be outsourcing the killing 😀

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 14:26 utc | 172

Re the Rubbish about Russia being defeated due to escalation.
If anybody watched Putin’s speeches to the military it is obvious he fully understood the gravity of the situation. The mutual security ultimatums – Its plain Putin/Russia planned to go all the way if need be. Putin has been preparing Russia for it for a long time. Specifically, from when US pulled out of the ABM treaty.
All the time using diplomacy and at times warnings to try and bring security and peace but preparing for the worst. The negotiated agreement that Bojo said no to, Russia had tried to save Ukraine from destruction and as we are seeing, the elimination of its male population.
Russian ‘invasion was on narrow lines of advance target pentagon biolab sites and nuclear facilities. What was thirty tons of plutonium and fourty tons of enriched uranium doing at ZNPP? Ukraine does not process it own fuel. These were the main immediate threats to Russia.
Putin is not some wet behind the ears kid that was 100% sure defeating nato would be a pushover.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:33 utc | 173

The tide has turned as Russian assaults are creamed on the battlefields by non stop cheap drones.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/can-the-west-still-win-analyzing
Even Chinese media showed it.
https://i.imgur.com/nQYkisp.jpeg

Posted by: Surferket | Jul 12 2024 14:33 utc | 174

Ukraine Weekly Update, 12th July 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-766

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 12 2024 14:35 utc | 175

Savonarole | Jul 12 2024 14:20 utc | 171
Britain has already announced it is sending its male Ukraine refugees to Poland. They will have no choice in the matter. It is eventually international conscription of Ukraine males which is what Ukraine has been asking for.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:37 utc | 176

Elmagnostic @ 161

If you were Russia who would you strike first, Germany or Poland?

Obviously Poland, it’s a pawn, Germany is a rook. I don’t mean strategically or tactically which is changing and evolving, I mean in terms of the USA and Brussels giving a shit.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 14:38 utc | 177

It is essentially international conscription…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:38 utc | 178

@ vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15
No. The US is not remotely close to developing hypersonic missiles.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 12 2024 14:39 utc | 179

The only way to disrupt the operation of the automated control system is to destroy the enemy’s communications equipment …
Posted by: ld | Jul 12 2024 14:15 utc | 170

The enemy’s communications equipment ==> https://infozahyst.com/en/about-us/
You can be certain that China has deployed signals intelligence experts and systems within their SCO contingent on exercise in Belarus.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 14:45 utc | 180

Bloody fools. If they had of escaped to Russia early instead of Europe, they would all be safe.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 13:39 utc | 152
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They mistook the Golden Arches for a rainbow, and were expecting a pot of gold when they reached its end.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 12 2024 14:47 utc | 181

stop cheap drones.
Posted by: Surferket | Jul 12 2024 14:33 utc | 174

There is just one spectrum. That is now the territory to control.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 14:48 utc | 182

Peter AU1 @ 176
Ukrainians are on their way to becoming the Palestinians of Europe, in everyones way. Smart choice, that.
Germany and Poland said the same, it’ll be interesting to see the scenes of people being press-ganged on the street, against their will, with force, repeated in Germany and UK. We are talking a couple hundred thousand refugees and not sure how many are fighting age males, but it will be hard to hide. Of course the msm will ignore it completely but it will get around.
Guessing the elites are figuring at this point the locals will be “good riddance” and no scandal whatsoever. Life in The Garden.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 14:49 utc | 183

reply to 174
Uh…. no synopsis from behind the paywall? Where’s your proof then? I can see that the Israeli system might be hyped up nonsense because they can freely murder Palestinians ( as with snipers killing elderly women) such that Who needs AI? A Google search of expert sites suggested that AI drones were exaggerated in effect in Feb or April. Perhaps that has changed but where’s a good link?
I would find it hard to believe that Russians have no EW response to this stuff.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 12 2024 14:50 utc | 184

No. The US is not remotely close to developing hypersonic missiles.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 12 2024 14:39 utc | 179
And when they are, the ROW will be ready
https://www.china-arms.com/2024/07/china-hypersonic-interception-radar/

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 14:50 utc | 185

LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 14:49 utc | 183
Fighting age males… In Ukraine that’s up to sixty year old. So eighteen to sixty. In Ukraine so long as there is a pulse they pass the medical….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:57 utc | 186

In Ukraine so long as there is a pulse they pass the medical….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 14:57 utc | 186
I heard they’re going for that standard, POTUS health exam

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 12 2024 15:01 utc | 187

Newbie | Jul 12 2024 15:01 utc | 187
🙂

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:03 utc | 188

@184
AI is souped up data mining.
The overhead: electricity, servers, storage, keeping all that data current is huge. Then you have to secure you communications and not lose “touch”. GIGO is an issue.
The operator has to teach the model!!!
The improvement is mostly not worth the costs.
USistan can borrow trillions, the exposure to AI in the combat zone is beneficial to determining response!

Posted by: paddy | Jul 12 2024 15:10 utc | 189

@ ryanggg | Jul 12 2024 6:04 utc | 80
i agree with you in that as well.. unfortunately the leaders in the west are now serving corporations, as opposed to people..

Posted by: james | Jul 12 2024 15:14 utc | 190

I read some time ago Nato/ukie in Ukraine was all computerized through starlink. all information from drones sats everything goes into a central computer including unit positions. Something is spotted at a certain position, relevant unit instantly gets that intel. Drone launcher and pilot, artillery, whatever.
I say launcher and pilot because the pilot may well be sitting in a base in the US or anywhere in the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:18 utc | 191

The operator has to teach the model!!!
Posted by: paddy | Jul 12 2024 15:10 utc | 189

The training set for military targeting is very small. Boxes with turrets on top are basically all alike.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 15:22 utc | 192

Dear pilots “get as close as possible to LOCC, fire your Shadow Scalps, if enemy locks on and fires at you, release your pay load and eject.” My pilots are firing two nuclear weapons each, got 10 in the air, preceded by a drone and missile swarm. Peace be with you.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 13:57 utc | 160
If simply flying a nuclear armed aircraft close to the LOC and releasing the weapon was an attack the Ukrainians were capable of carrying out why do they have to wait for F-16’s? They can do the same thing with a Mig-29 if they had the nuclear weapons and they thought it was a tactic that might succeed.
Play the game out. What happens in the hours after Ukraine launches a nuclear attack on Russia at the LOC?
Russia has better ICBM’s, hypersonic missiles, better air/missile defence, road mobile ICBM’s and submarines operating just off the coast of the USA … are the Americans willing to risk Washington over a tactical nuclear strike on the LOC near some village in the Donbas?
Would American soldiers even respond to an order from an obviously demented Biden after watching him over the last couple of weeks?
I don’t doubt that this scenario was played out deep in the bowels of the pentagon but I really don’t see it seeing the light of day.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 12 2024 15:35 utc | 193

I’m surprised the quad can carry these guys given the weight of their brass balls:
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/10178

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 15:39 utc | 194

all computerized through starlink.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:18 utc | 191

A Starlink terminal tops out at 20mbps.

Upload speeds are typically between 5 and 20 Mbps.
https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70

Google says

Q: Is 20 Mbps good enough for 4K?
A: Streaming TV and movies in SD, HD or 4K UHD. For standard definition (SD) streaming you’ll need at least an average speed of 3Mbps, for HD 5-8Mbps and for 4K UHD you’ll need 25Mbps minimum, but we recommend a connection of 50Mbps to cover all scenarios (live 4K broadcasts require more speed, for example).

A single Starlink dish is not sufficient for more than a few video uplinks.
The large drone swarms must be controlled by a modified macro-cell BBU. A hacked cell tower.
Then there is the backhaul link to the remote FPV pilot squadron. That is probably constrained to existing network fiber infrastructure.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 15:44 utc | 195

we have one ukrainian refugee family down the road here in bavaria. their son is 17 currently. i had a chat with the father, and he was visibly nervous about the news that uk, poland, the baltics, and now germany here are thinking about basically deporting his son into a military conflict zone.
i wonder when the ukrainians will see that the west does not care about them. they only care about the land the ukrainians inhabit.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 15:44 utc | 196

too scents | Jul 12 2024 15:44 utc | 195
I was thinking about the single FPV’s and and finding the operator based on what Iv’e read from the Russian side. Swarms is something I know nothing about, other tha seeing a couple of videos in the past of Russian students on one occasion and Chinese students on another setting up and operating drone swarms.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:54 utc | 197

Russian students on one occasion and Chinese students on another setting up and operating drone swarms.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 15:54 utc | 197

The lightshow display swarms are quite different from FPV swarms. The lightshow swarms are coordinated by highly accurate 3D positional sensors.
FPV drones are coordinated by a pilots response to a video stream. The bandwidth requirements are enormous.
That signal bandwidth can’t be created on demand by magic. It is a limited finite resource.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2024 16:03 utc | 198

Peter AU1,
Do you have any links on deporting Ukrainians? That violates all kinds of international laws which is why it has been subject to lots of chatter but no real action.

sean the leprechaun,
B61 nukes are gravity bombs… and there’s NWIH an F-16 gets anywhere close to where they’d want to drop one. They’ve already said that for F-16’s to survive at all they’ll be flying low and fast.

Surferket,
No the tide hasn’t turned, they’re just slowing the RF’s advance.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 16:06 utc | 199

too scents | Jul 12 2024 16:03 utc | 198
Thanks

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 16:08 utc | 200