Ukraine Open Thread 2024-165
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Posted by b on July 11, 2024 at 18:20 UTC | Permalink
next page »How long before a suicidal escalation by the Ukrainians?
It's getting close!
Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 19:34 utc | 2
How long before a suicidal escalation by the Ukrainians?
It's getting close!
Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 19:34 utc | 2
I think we're already there... they just aren't getting anywhere with their efforts.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 11 2024 19:51 utc | 3
The Russian army took the entire east of Krasnogorovka!
▪️In the Kurakhove direction, the 5th and 110th brigades of the RF Armed Forces continue an active assault from three directions on the city of Krasnogorovka, located near Donetsk and Maryinka.
▪️Ukrainian propagandists are anxiously reporting new successes of Russian troops and publishing maps with their advance: "The RF Armed Forces were able to occupy almost the entire east of Krasnogorovka - the Solnechny, Vostochny, Central Hospital microdistricts were captured.
▪️The fall of the entire private sector in the city is a matter of time. Back on June 29, Russian channels reported on the advance of the RF Armed Forces in the northeastern part of the private sector, in fact, this was confirmed yesterday. Currently, most of the city has been captured," the enemy's resources sum up.
"Russian troops had an advance in the northeastern part of the city of Krasnohorivka. They managed to take up positions in houses on Belinsky Street in the north of the city and on Mayakovsky Street in the east," write other Ukrainian military analysts who geolocated new videos of the fighting.
"brave" powerfully break through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 6 areas at once, approaching the Pokrovsk-Konstantinovka highway!
▪️The Center group of troops continues to break through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, confidently advancing with battles from Avdiivka to Pokrovsk.
▪️After the capture of Yevgenivka, ours entered and entrenched themselves in Novoselovka Pervoy, starting assaults on Progress, Vozdvizhenka and Lozovatsky.
▪️Ukrainian military analysts again RECOGNIZE the new successes of the RF Armed Forces: "The Russians captured Voskhod and Yevgenyevka, had success in the direction of Progress and Volchye, north and east of Novoselivka Perva.
A little to the north, the Russians are attacking Vozdvyzhenka and Lozovatske, trying to break through to the Pokrovsk-Kostyantynivka highway," they write.
Posted by: updates | Jul 11 2024 19:59 utc | 4
I think we're already there... they just aren't getting anywhere with their efforts.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 11 2024 19:51 utc | 3
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Agreed, it's been that way since Zelensky got his leash pulled by Washington's flatulance-filled-fleshbag proxy Boris Johnson.
They push meat into the grinder, until Ukraine collapses in an attempt to make things as hard as possible for Russia.
NATO won't intervene directly en-masse. Despite the perpetual doomer whining, because they can't.
The upside is there won't be much of an insurgency after the war, due the fact that the most ardent & capable of such things on the Ukie side will have gone to Bandera.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 11 2024 20:02 utc | 5
The upside is there won't be much of an insurgency after the war, due the fact that the most ardent & capable of such things on the Ukie side will have gone to Bandera.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 11 2024 20:02 utc | 5
And what's left will head west expecting compensation for defending western values.
Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 20:14 utc | 6
Drifter | Jul 11 2024 19:28 utc | 1
History legends is good. He gives units and their capabilities on both sides. Gives a good idea of the realities of frontline fighting.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 20:26 utc | 7
NATO won't intervene directly en-masse. Despite the perpetual doomer whining, because they can't.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 11 2024 20:02 utc | 5
Euro elites are no more than Zelensky's in suits. Looking at this through the lens of a sane person is quite deceiving.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 20:30 utc | 8
One must see the destruction of Ukraine as a Western secondary goal now. Sure, they would have liked for Russia to collapse and be plundered, or alternatively for a stalemate with a captured and then exploited Ukrainian State. Now that they cannot have it, noone is allowed to.
They are like a refused suitor that cannot just let the unreachable object of desire go, but instead throw a jar of acid into her face.
Posted by: Roland | Jul 11 2024 20:36 utc | 9
According to a preliminary report, AFU dropped some ammunition from a Baba Yaga drone on children in Shebekino. 2 died and several injured.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2024 20:52 utc | 10
@8 +1
Except for Orban, none are able to stand shoulder to shoulder with Putin any longer. That means they are so far into their own game as to not be able to correct.
Even Lewinsky is in a better position because he is able to claim Russia as responsible for the failure of his country, of his governance. In EU they don't have that option...yet.
Which would be one reason to be pesimistic or wary.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 11 2024 20:53 utc | 11
1. U.S./ NATO not getting Russia to carve up.
2. Not getting the best parts of Ukraine
3. Getting rid of old/obsolete and new/junk on the killing fields of Ukraine.
4. The top-heavy Military Bureaucracy is coining it up big time. The grunts get to salute the flag and die.
D.C. which means Dual Citizen/District of Columbia are Baghdad Bobbing themselves, the controlled Media and the rah-rah portion of the U.S. Public.
5. Canada increases their NATO budget to buy more rainbow flags, socks and coffee. DEI appointment to top job. Rank and file have to buy their own gear in Europe.
Posted by: kupkee | Jul 11 2024 20:59 utc | 12
Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) has declassified a report by an operative who stated in March that France was preparing to send a contingent of about 2,000 soldiers to fight in Ukraine. (RT)
Assuming this is correct - a quick guess how many troops NATO might want send to Ukraine. France has 209,000 active military. 2000 is roughly 1% of active French personnel. All of NATO has 3,800,000 active. If all of NATO sends troops in the same proportion, then NATO would send 38,000 soldiers to Ukraine.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14
Nobody thinks about one important moment.
Very soon, USA will finish developing hyper sonic weapons.
They shall be deployed in Germany and then in Ukraine.
Thanls to Putin’s weakness, the window of opportunity for Russia is quickly closing.
But there is some hope for Russia.
Dima says that many Ukro soldiers believe that they would be defeated.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15
NATO would send 38,000 soldiers to Ukraine.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14
About 6 brigades worth!
A months of munitions??
At best.
Add in logistics and support.
Multiply by 6.
Is that feasible?
Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 21:40 utc | 16
Anyone looking for proof that the Patriot system is worthless, here it is. Unloaded them while you can still get most of your money back laundering them through Ukraine:
The United States, Israel and Ukraine are discussing the supply of up to 8 Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, The Financial Times reports.A representative from the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not comment on TASS media publications about the possible supply of Patriot air defense systems from Israel to Ukraine.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 21:40 utc | 17
“The Mouse That Roared” LOL...
Ukraine concludes security agreement with Luxembourg
https://ukranews.com/en/news/1019111-ukraine-concludes-security-agreement-with-luxembourg
Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Luxembourg on security cooperation and long-term support.President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced this on the Telegram channel, the Ukrainian News agency reports.
"In Washington, together with the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Luc Frieden, we signed a security agreement between our states. Luxembourg will continue to provide military assistance to Ukraine and will continue to support the protection of the lives of our people. The agreement is focused on political and value interaction between our countries," he said.
Zelenskyy noted that Luxembourg supports sanctions against russia, Ukraine's accession to the EU and NATO, and will also help protect and restore cultural heritage.
According to the message of the Office of the President, this year Luxembourg allocated EUR 80 million for defense assistance to Ukraine and will provide support with the same dynamics throughout the ten-year term of the agreement. In general, since the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion, this country has provided military support to Ukraine for more than EUR 250 million euros.
Luxembourg, as a co-leader of the IT coalition, will support Ukraine in training in the cyber sphere.
The agreement also refers to expanded cooperation in the field of defense industry, assistance in attracting funding sources and support of Ukraine's efforts to integrate the defense industry into NATO and EU defense and security standards.
Separate blocks of the document concern humanitarian aid and support for Ukrainian internally displaced persons. Luxembourg will facilitate the release and return of all Ukrainians, especially children.
The article doesn’t mention anything about how many Patriots, HIMARS or F-16s Luxembourg will be supplying, nor any thing about joint naval exercises...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18
Very soon, USA will finish developing hyper sonic weapons.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15
So all the recent US hypersonic tests failed successfully after all...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:47 utc | 19
A bit of info that got left out of the "children's hospital strike" in Kiev:
The Russian Armed Forces destroyed a large number of Ukrainian military personnel by attacking the air defense headquarters in Kyiv - ex-member of the Verkhovna Rada MosiychukDuring the stream, Lyashko and Mosiychuk stated that the Ukrainian command was hiding the truth about the arrivals in Kyiv.
“They hid the arrival at KB Luch, the arrival in Vasylkiv, where a large number of military personnel died, there is the air defense headquarters of Kyiv and the Kyiv region - a command post”, - he said.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 21:47 utc | 20
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18
From what I am seeing, there is an anti Zelensky resistance emerging which is separate to the ethnic Russian/Pro Russian partisans. Reports are the Americans are lining up a replacement for Ze. As for any documents he has signed since 21st May, they are not worth the paper they are written on as he is now the self appointed non constitutional leader. He is likely to be the scapegoat for American failure in Ukraine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 21:54 utc | 21
Ukraine concludes security agreement with Luxembourg
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18
Instead of a single treaty with NATO thirty-two treaties with individual NATO countries. They're worried that Trump might win.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:57 utc | 22
According to Dima Ukrainians have a mental disease. Why die for shit hole town when peace negotiations are coming within the next few months or by years end. Many Ukrainians are bailing out from their positions. Seems the disease is spreading.
The only Ukrainian who wants the war to continue is Zman. Maybe this is the beginning of the end, if enough units refuse to fight. One hopes.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23
After the NATO summit, one could get the sense NATO is running on auto-pilot re. Ukraine project. Envisioned China project is running on autopilot too. Plus all the useless and self-damaging sanctions. A lot of talk, zero real action. So where's the mobilization? Nationalization of MIC? Rebuilding of supply chains domestically lost during decades of globalization?
There is nothing.
Non of them literally have a clue what they're doing. No wonder considering the western politicians and elites are mostly made up of uneducated, illiterate, corrupted with no moral values, stupid and people who haven't worked a real job for 1 day in their life or suffered setbacks.
It's obvious (just today some US senator more money solves everything) they think pumping more money to MIC will solve all their problems. It won't, it increases cost per unit and waste and decreases the time the west is going bankrupt. Which, after all, is all good
The shit show continues till it doesn't. These people in the western political apparatuses should face a firing squad in the end but non probably will.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2024 22:00 utc | 24
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14
You need to drop that total down a bit. The Turks have already said they are not down with this bullshit and will send nobody and without Turkey committing the Greeks are also out so that is about half the troop pool gone.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 11 2024 22:03 utc | 25
@17
In May 2024 US approved #11 billion is donations to sustain the genocide perpetrated by Tel Aviv.
$5 billion of it was to "refit" air and missile defenses.
I have no idea what US will give in place of patriot!
Obviously, the $5 billion is better than patriots.
Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:06 utc | 26
Biden just introduced the Elensky as "President Putin" at the NATO summit :)
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jul 11 2024 22:06 utc | 27
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 11 2024 22:03 utc | 25
then theres also the "russlanddeutsche" here in germany. the german military has some 20% (i believe) members with migration background, and the vast majority are said russlanddeutsche, aka "germans" with russian descent.
im not sure if they would be so keen and willing to go fight mother russia for odalf scholzler and anal-ena, and especially not for that wicked witch ursula.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 28
unimperator | Jul 11 2024 22:00 utc | 24
The west has privatized, and priced itself out of war. Some company spends a billion or two on building a production line, more investment on finding and training workers - they need ten years, twenty or thirty years garranteed returns.
Like liverwurst Scholz trying to buy gas from Canada and Qatar. Both wanted long term contracts at set price to set up the infrastructure.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 29
@18
Boeing cannot get their space capsule off the international space station (ISS)!
The US' replacement for the 50 odd year old Minuteman ICBM is running out of money getting 40% cost overruns and delays.
The vaunted MX ICBM missile was "deployed" in the 1990's and is retired.
B-2 failed the top secret tests so badly they stopped at 20 which is the test fleet.
B-21, a B-2 look alike. is late to first flight and costs are secured to keep the mess away from the public.
I doubt the MIC lost money on any of it.....
Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:13 utc | 30
Link confirming what was posted above, plus looking at Twitter shows much hilarity over it.
"Biden calls Ukraine’s Zelensky ‘President Putin’ in front of NATO leaders in latest brutal gaffe"
https://nypost.com/2024/07/11/us-news/biden-calls-ukraines-zelensky-president-putin-in-latest-brutal-gaffe/
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 11 2024 22:15 utc | 31
S.P. Korolev | Jul 11 2024 22:06 utc | 27
Well I guess that's better than doing a toddler half squat to poop his pants. He must be improving. A slight remission or something.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:18 utc | 32
on the bus i saw a man reading the not news paper the headline read
how poland is building the biggest army in europe
images of thousands of men ready for russian action.
i guess the synagogue of satan does not believe a million ukranian or 100s of thousands of gazan is enough for baal molech baphomet whatever you call the beast
Posted by: todd | Jul 11 2024 22:27 utc | 33
ayden
@squatsons
The U.S. is stating that Russia wants to assassinate the CEO of Rheinmetall…How stupid do you have to be to believe this?
What does killing a CEO even do?
Why not sabotage a factory or something that will actually have an impact?
It’s frustrating how ill thought out this was.
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1811460656794595629
This was mentioned in the last thread. It comes at the same time as what amounts to Nato's declaration of war on Russia and China.
That this will be a European Nato endeavor rather than just a collection of European countries, there is likely to be either a false flag or one country will deliberately do something to cause Russia to strike it. Something like basing F16's that are attacking Russian Forces. Russia will I think hit that airfield.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:33 utc | 34
Wildly successful nato-nazi shakedown of Canucklhead vassals....
Bilderberger Carney to replace Ukro-nazi grand-daughter/WEF member Freeland?
Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 11 2024 22:34 utc | 35
Theres gonna be no F16s for Ukraine.
It's empty talk intended to strengthen the weakened morale of the Kiev troops stationed on the frontline. The western countries are aware that the end of the war is imminent. There are clear indications. The west are still anticipating a potential internal strife in Russia that might result in the overthrow of the Kremlin administration. This has been the primary reason for the acts of the west from the beginning. However, they have underestimated the cohesion inside Russia about the problem of Ukraine.
One last throw of the dice to try and keep the troops fighting.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 11 2024 22:34 utc | 36
todd @ 33
Russia's not going to send hundreds of thousands of men to push back Poland, it's not going to allow the front to get extended, and it's not going to lose the momentum it has paid a high price for. Whether a couple of months from now, 3 years, or in 2030 with all NATO behind it, if Poland moves against Russia it gets nuked, if it has nukes on its soil it gets mega nuked. It's boggles the mind the Poles don't get it, they were the first to get whacked in WW2, they'll be the first to get nuked in WW3.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 22:39 utc | 37
Even Lewinsky is in a better position because he is able to claim Russia as responsible for the failure of his country
Monica's dad? Husband?
HERMIUS @ 36
There will definitely be F-16s in Ukraine, the Pentagon wants to test their flying machines and their pilots against Russian planes and pilots and AD. Besides the need to take Russia's measure in this regard, the wargasm heavyweights of NATO/Pentagon, the air force guys, need to bust their nut so they don't keel over from blue balls. And I wouldn't mistake any peace talk or hesitancy talk from Zelensky or from anywhere in the west as other than to help sorry ass Biden and the miserable Democrats in the election.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 22:49 utc | 40
Dima is an excitable boy; let's hope his sources which are likely just Telegram posts are correct about Ukrainian morale collapsing, but expect the worst, which is that enough Azov types are left to put a bullet in the back of any UAF soldier who gets ideas about quitting.
Meanwhile, the shitstain summit is wrapping up and the chief pants-shitter is apparently nowhere to be found. Probably being shot up with enough stimulants to turn a beaten down mule into Secretariat.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 11 2024 23:11 utc | 41
Marat Khairullen offers these words:
Zelensky's castles in the airHungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said what Zelensky is proceeding from when he talks about Ukraine's victory in the war. According to him, Putin will be forced to announce a general mobilization in the middle of next year, and then the country will be internally destabilized and demolish the Putin regime. This alone shows how uneducated people rule Ukraine.
In 2000, when Vladimir Putin officially came to power in Russia, more than a million people went on strike at a time. They demanded the payment of salaries, pensions, normal work, health care, and so on.
Add to this that, according to the official statistics of the then Ministry of Internal Affairs, there were 37 thousand organized criminal gangs in the country, about one and a half million Russian girls were engaged in prostitution, hidden and open unemployment averaged twenty-five percent of the total able-bodied population.
Question. Why didn't the people demolish Putin then, and now they will? In the twenty years of his rule, Putin seems to have survived everything: several wars, monstrous terrorist attacks, attempts at color revolutions, economic crises, betrayal of his closest associates, and even an open military mutiny.
And he always found a way out of the situation.Why does Zelensky believe that Putin, one of the most experienced political leaders of our time, will not be able to cope with another crisis in the middle of next year? Why would angry Russians suddenly sweep it away?
The answer lies, apparently, in Zelensky's psychological profile. He proceeds not from real facts, but from his desires.
Before the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian troops last year, he was warned that attacking without a total advantage in aviation and artillery is pure suicide. But Zelensky really wanted to, and he found an argument - the Russian army is not motivated and, faced with a well-motivated Ukrainian army, armed with excellent Western weapons, will simply run away.
This was his main argument at the beginning of the summer campaign. The sad outcome is well known to everyone: according to the estimates of the Russian side, in the summer of 2023, 110 thousand Ukrainians died during counteroffensive attempts in Zaporozhye. These were the best troops trained in the West.
Since then, the Russian army has only increased its capabilities, and now an average of about 50 thousand Ukrainians die at the front every month.
But Zelensky, suffering such losses, does not want to make peace and finds a new argument - the Russians will be angry with Putin and replace him.This is an assessment that has absolutely nothing to do with reality. But even if we assume such a development of events, where does Zelensky have confidence that the new Russian leader will immediately run to make peace on his terms.
As history teaches us, a moderate leader is usually replaced by radicals. If, for example, Prigozhin's rebellion had succeeded and he came to power, there is no doubt that Russia has long used nuclear weapons. Such is Prigozhin's character and intentions - he did not hide them.
Therefore, it is not a fact that after the peace-loving and accommodating Putin, a leader will come who will immediately give all the fruits of victory to Zelensky.
On the contrary, Russian society has become very radicalized during the war years, and a hawk is likely to come on this wave. This is what everyone should think about.
And NATO shares the same fantasies.
@ todd | Jul 11 2024 22:27 utc | 33
> for baal molech baphomet whatever you call the beast
“Bibi”
@ Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:57 utc | 22
> They're worried that Trump might win.
Could the real point (of bilateral treaties outside of “NATO”) be to arrange a queue of EU proxies that can be thrown into the meatgrinder without USA meat?
Whether or not that’s true, the “because of Trump” and “Trump-proof” memes possibly serve solely as narratives. First, a determined POTUS can veto contemporary spending bills (shutting down everything) until Congress either rescinds prior guarantees to the Zelensky regime or passes every spending bill with supermajorities. What the “Trump-proof” meme does is prepare the minds of Trump supporters to accept him betraying their wish he discontinue funding the Ukraine project. Second, Trump has suggested such meaningless change as “lending Kyiv the money at 0% interest and no default penalties”. That’s no opposition at all to the slaughter and risks of continued escalation.
Posted by: despondent | Jul 11 2024 23:21 utc | 43
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23
Reminicent of the German Kiel mutiny in 1918 where German sailors refused an order to sail against the Royal Navy saying it was a "death voyage"
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 11 2024 23:26 utc | 44
Sevim Dagdelen the foreign affairs spokesperson for the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance grouping in the German Bundestag and prominent critic of NATO, shared her views with the Global Times over these issues.
NATO’s core task is to support US’ hegemonic ambitions
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202407/1315700.shtml
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 23:28 utc | 45
karlof1 @ 42
The Putin part sounds right but I have to disagree about the Zel part, I believe it's a fantasy to believe Zelensky has agency and is anything more than a public relations figure for brand Ukraine, think George Clooney peddling Nespresso. No Ukrainian general is waiting on commander-in-chief Zelenky's well considered decision before dutifully sending men to their deaths. I think they all laugh at him, not behind his back but to his face, if he ever shows it in the war room.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 23:44 utc | 46
Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15
Why are you so stupid?
Posted by: Naive | Jul 11 2024 23:51 utc | 47
Abused Ol' Criminal Joe introducing "Putin" is not only comedy gold, but also a riddle
is the Ol Sniffer committing sepeku?
Posted by: PubliusFlavius | Jul 11 2024 23:53 utc | 48
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14
To follow your introduction, here is more of that stuff:
"The French army is worried about the increase in the number of French killed in the Ukrainian theater [theater of operations]. It should be noted that it was only as a result of the destruction by the armed forces of the Russian Federation of the temporary deployment point of foreigners near Kharkov that "dozens of French citizens" were killed on January 17 last year and that "such strikes have become the norm in the Ukrainian conflict". As the French ministry of armed forces unofficially recognizes, the country has not experienced such losses abroad since the Algerian war in the second half of the twentieth century," notes the cipher.
According to the report, the number of losses is carefully hidden, as well as the very fact of the involvement of the French army in Ukraine. "Because of this, the relevant ministries are busy solving practical issues: organizing funerals, paying compensation to the families of victims and pensions to disabled people," the document says.
Citing sources, the resident writes that the number of French deaths "has already exceeded the psychologically significant threshold". The publication of these sensitive data can provoke mass protests, notes the author of the report. According to him, the French military leadership is also afraid of discontent among the current mid-level officers, who are "disproportionately numerous" among the dead, and already at the present stage, problems are being fixed with the search for "volunteers" for rotation in Ukraine.
"Nevertheless, according to reports, the French contingent to be sent to Ukraine is still preparing. At the initial stage, it will be about 2 thousand people. The French military department fears that such an important military unit could not be transferred and quietly quartered in Ukraine. Thus, he will become a priority legitimate target for attacks by the Russian armed forces," the encrypted program says. [Yandex translation from French.]
The cowards do not want that it will be acknowledged that their soldiers (not the mercenaries, the regular army soldiers) are killed in Ukraine. No ceremony, no official funerals, everythig is swept under the rug.
Piotr Tolstoi: we will kill them all. Interesting program.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:05 utc | 50
"is putin ready to talk? i am ready to talk to putin, unless putin is ready to change his behaviour!"
-and there it is again, the "behaviour". the adults are speaking!
"and russia lost 350.000 dead or wounded!"
"and russia is also controlling the public outcry! the lie like everyone whats going on!"
"if we allow russia to succeed in ukraine, they will not stop in ukraine!"
"read putins speech, it wasnt about only! anyways!"
jesus christ someone should pull this old man off the stage. biden is all over the place. he jumbles words worse then i do, and english is my third language.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 0:09 utc | 51
PubliusFlavius | Jul 11 2024 23:53 utc | 48
Hes a bit past that. Doesn't even know what decade it is let alone day of the week. He's happy enough doddering around with a smile and shaking hands with ghosts.
Those times getting off a plane to meet vassals, red carpet laid out. He sees some onlookers and dodders off to shake hands. His minders have to grab him and lead him up the red carpet to shake hands with the vassal.
Only difference now is the media have been told to dump him. Perhaps crapping his pants was a bit much for the deep state.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 0:10 utc | 52
Polish troops execute Ukrainian soldiers who refused orders to attack the Russian line.
https://x.com/BPartisans/status/1811447434838737042
Posted by: Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:14 utc | 53
Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:14 utc | 53
Take a look at the two Ukrainians as they get up. I suspect they were shot for doing something naughty rather than refusing to fight. The nazis have outlawed the rainbow flag stuff.
Russian mod has caught a few of them in their barracks or trenches with their pants down.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 0:24 utc | 54
https://x.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1811551613179310329?t=QLfFbSS2VkpUvDD22DM4gQ&s=19
Chief Markus Söder has pledged that a CDU/CSU government would repatriate able-bodied Ukrainian men upon request from Ukraine. Expect UK to follow suit soon.
I thought only last year this idea was dropped as it was deemed unconstitutional. Other nations followed suit. I guess they can just ship them off to military training grounds up the road. Very efficient and adds many millions of fighting age men into the mix. Solves a few problems in one go as the freeloaders do cost a lot to keep . To the last Ukrainian,
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 12 2024 0:29 utc | 55
@Naive | Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:14:00 GMT | 53
Polish troops execute Ukrainian soldiers who refused orders to attack the Russian line.
Why do we know they're Polish troops? No visible markings I could see.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 12 2024 0:36 utc | 56
@Naive | Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:14:00 GMT | 53
Polish troops execute Ukrainian soldiers who refused orders to attack the Russian line.
Sorry, should be how do we know.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 12 2024 0:37 utc | 57
sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23
*** According to Dima Ukrainians have a mental disease. Why die for shit hole town when peace negotiations are coming within the next few months or by years end. Many Ukrainians are bailing out from their positions. Seems the disease is spreading.
The only Ukrainian who wants the war to continue is Zman. Maybe this is the beginning of the end, if enough units refuse to fight. One hopes.***
Are the west Ukrainians really aware that there is absolutely no point in them continuing to fight, since -- even if they could "win" the war itself -- they've already lost their former country to US-based foreign corporate vultures?
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 12 2024 0:48 utc | 58
D day dump
Jill Biden drags Joe away as Macron left awkwardly greeting D-Day veterans
June 07, 2024 - 1:56PM
US President Joe Biden has been mocked online after appearing to make a series of gaffes during the D-Day anniversary in Normandy on Thursday.During the event, Biden seemed unsure whether to stand or sit, awkwardly half-squatting as he searched for a chair.
First Lady Jill Biden, with her hand over her mouth, appeared to be mouthing words of guidance to him.
Jill Biden later led him away while French President Emmanuel Macron stayed to greet veterans, some over 100 years old.
"The vets look more with it than Biden," one user wrote on X.
Three weeks later, on the 28th, far earlier than usual Biden Trump debate with media cued to dump Biden.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 0:52 utc | 59
Cynic | Jul 12 2024 0:48 utc | 58
I saw a video of civilians in Kiev being interviewed a few months back. They fully believed Russia was taking massive losses and would soon collapse.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 1:13 utc | 60
[email protected]'m not sure if western Ukrainians are even fighting, they say Kiev is still party central, I'm not there, but if it walks like a duck.....The front line guys, that's who matter and they are the ones leaving their zone, why die now when peace is a few months away, a major game changer? Time will tell.
Cheers M
....it seems it's not about can they win or not, many would still fight, but any talk of peace makes the will to fight a bitter cause.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 1:40 utc | 61
Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:13 utc | 30 "B-2 failed the top secret tests so badly they stopped at 20 which is the test fleet."
Well, I know you are wrong on this one.
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 12 2024 1:45 utc | 62
LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 23:44 utc | 46--
Thanks for your reply. I didn't include the date he posted that to his Telegram. 9 July. so it's not about Biden's NATO speech gaffs.
Martyanov discovers some very critical info and provides it in this video, https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/07/parameters-disclosed-some-shocking.html
The deficits are known but there doesn't seem to be much emphasis on solving them.
Just some thoughts on war-gaming, it was being said that the goal before this conflict started wasn’t so much to win but to make Russia fight. In this light Russia lost by fighting, aka unprovoked invasion. It is possible to believe therefore that this war will also end in defeat for them, in terms of desirable outcomes like a neutral buffer state. Russia probably foresaw the encroachment of Poland, et al, into Western Ukraine as unstoppable, and is resigning itself to this perpetual conflict scenario, preparing the population for a cold war stand-off by keeping to their official narrative of longterm peace. Keeping the bad guy the bad guy who does bad things, the West will reinforce the war footing for Europe and Russia. I think the war which is climaxing soon, will result in an inescapable victory for the warmongers, and the believers, aka, zombies of the narrative.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 64
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 0:09 utc | 51
We have an excuse for Joe Biden's gaffes: his advanced age! But there is no explanation for the suicidal behavior of European leaders!! Personally, I'm afraid of having a heart attack when I try to understand, make an analysis, give an opinion!
Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 65
The Reuters posting title/sub title below sums it up I believe
Ukraine urges NATO to lift restrictions on targeting Russia, China denounces criticism
Ukraine on Thursday urged NATO allies to lift restrictions on its use of long-range weapons against targets in Russia, saying that would be "game-changer" in its war with Moscow, while China slammed NATO criticism of its support for Russia as biased and malicious.
Its show time!
Which side are you on?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 12 2024 2:49 utc | 66
psychohistorian | Jul 12 2024 2:49 utc | 66
I've decided to put a couple of dollars on the Euro twits starting a war with Russia before Trump takes office in early 2025.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 3:00 utc | 67
Certain analyst by name of Col. M. interviewing recently on the ME conflict, mentions his conviction that Tactical unmentionables will likely need to be used against Lebanon in case of a Northern war (but of course he mentioned them).. Well, whatever, but the suggestion that Russia will open Pandora’s chest to repulse crusader Euros from Ukrainian entry is pretty farfetched , but the reverse is not at all farfetched, which is that the Euros will tempt Russia to do just that. Why? Because, escalation, global escalation, appears to be in the works and Russia de facto gets all the blame for starting the fireworks, so why not add to the misery. (Just a random musing BTW- from my couch:)
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 12 2024 3:03 utc | 68
Nato in the Asia Pacific...
In short:Australia is promising $250 million worth of military aid for Ukraine, the largest single package it has provided for the country's defence against Russia to date.
NATO allies are also pledging more support, and calling on China to cease being an enabler of Russia's war.What's next?Australia will provide guided and air defence missiles, anti-tank weapons and ammunition. A "small number" of Australian personnel will join a NATO command for Ukraine.
The Australian government is set to give Ukraine another $250 million in military support — its largest contribution to the war effort since Russia invaded.Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Richard Marles announced the package on the final day of the NATO summit in Washington DC.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-11/australia-ukraine-military-support-nato-summit-washington/104085686
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 3:34 utc | 69
The F16's supposedly on the way to the AFU AF (I will believe only when I see the wreckage photos) are obsolete C and D models.
The aircraft have completely unusable avionics incapable of fighting modern RF aircraft. This F16 junk will meet the same fate as other wunderwaffe......a nearby junk pile.......ready for scrapping......
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 3:42 utc | 70
Posted by: Roland | Jul 11 2024 20:36 utc | 9
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 3:00 utc | 67
It's the desperate tactic of throwing the jar of acid in the unconquered face!
Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 3:47 utc | 71
"Russian army recruiting 1,000 men a day – MOD
Nearly 200,000 people have signed contracts with Russia’s Defense Ministry this year alone"
https://www.rt.com/russia/600899-russians-recruiting-1000-a-day/
Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 3:53 utc | 72
@ psychohistorian | Jul 12 2024 2:49 utc | 66
nato saber rattling? lol.. who whudda thunk it?? 2 can play that game... frankly i think orban is a strong horse in the present run for peace verses war, but we'll see... the warmongers have a lot going for them - msm, many euro politicians in hand, not to mention all that money to be made... peace is so boring and devoid of the big contracts.... after all war = money... we start seeing who is on which side when the chips are down.. it is becoming clearer perhaps even for the lowly plebs too...
Posted by: james | Jul 12 2024 3:59 utc | 73
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 28
And then you have Bulgarians. You might be able to get their government to go along with the whole thing but Bulgarians troops shooting at Russians? They will just pretend that they are having engine problems and never make it to the front just like they did in WW2.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 12 2024 4:00 utc | 74
Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 3:42 utc | 70
They are slightly older than eastern Europe's deleted soviet aircraft. The MIG-29's though were only modified to carry the single British/French missile. The F-16 can carry virtually the full range of Nato munitions. They don't have to be good, as like the Mig, they are little more than single use items.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 4:11 utc | 75
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18
“The Mouse That Roared” LOL...
The article doesn’t mention anything about how many Patriots, HIMARS or F-16s Luxembourg will be supplying, nor any thing about joint naval exercises...
I would not concern yourself too much about this Jeremy, since I have heard that Mighty Oz has pledged a military aid package ($300 million) to Ukraine for their fight against the evil Moskals. I understand that the package includes an undisclosed number of super high tech anti-missile boomerangs. These are a new cutting-edge development, and rumour has it that classified computer simulations have conclusively demonstrated that these new wonder weapons are significantly more effective at downing Russian hypersonic missiles than a babushka hurling jars of pickles. Another “Game Changer”.
Also, apparently two Russian spies have recently been detained in Oz. Details are yet to be revealed, but it is speculated that their mission was to obtain the design of these new boomerangs and to personally hand them to Putin.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76
"Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni was caught rolling her eyes and making faces as she waited for a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) meeting to begin."
https://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/2024/07/12/meloni-italia-otan-washington.ghtml
Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 4:26 utc | 77
Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76
I had to laugh at that. I would assume ADF will enlist urban aboriginals to man these boomerangs.
The 'reds under the oz bed piece' I had also read. Wot a joke. Will be even funnier when we go to war with China. Poor fella my country.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 4:47 utc | 79
Posted by: james | Jul 12 2024 3:59 utc | 73
What makes orban a "strong horse" is that he actually represents and works for his people and their interests.
Something that nearly all of the western world under ZOG occupation cannot even imagine.
And the people of Hungary suffered greatly under all of the major wars in the last 120 years or so.
Posted by: ryanggg | Jul 12 2024 6:04 utc | 80
Barrel Brown @ 76:
One problem with these wonder weapons, once they have obliterated the Russian hypersonic missiles, is that they might not rain down debris on civilian structures like children's hospitals that can be blamed on the Russians.
The other problem is that when they return, are they going to blast their launchers to smithereens?
We might as well keep sending Bushmasters, if we can keep up with the Ukies' demands.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 12 2024 6:24 utc | 81
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76
Shades of the petrov scandal of the 50s . These two seem like good old fashioned Russian spies, sent to infiltrate our military. I assume that they would be Russian D team - they would not waste A,B or C on Australia - or not the military. one at least is too old to be in training.
Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2024 6:38 utc | 82
I have been considering the motivation for all this war fever, and I am wondering if it is to increase the hold the EU has on europe. The purpose of the EU is to increase its powers - create its own debt, raise its own taxes, build its own military etc, and we are well down that path already. The people in charge want more, and how better to get more than to have a war? Losing a city or two would be small price to pay for a true United States of Europe - merely the birth-pangs of the new 1,000 year Reich, forged in blood and fire.
At least, that would be from the European centrist perception. The people slated to do the fighting and dying may not be quite so enthusiastic, but it's not as if their views have ever been taken into account. Goering's quote about dragging the people along still holds.
Posted by: Occasional poster | Jul 12 2024 6:48 utc | 83
Joe Lauria bone-chillingly frames the West's state of descent, while offering nary a shred of hope for us. The optimistic call-to-action has been dropped from standard conclusions. The modern style is to wrap up on a note of overt despair...
The Mad Path to Annihilation
All this adds up to a collective madness. After innumerable wars since history began, the world is being led to perhaps its final confrontation.
At the core is NATO’s apparent belief that Putin is bluffing about using nuclear weapons to defend Russia’s sovereignty. It is simply a bluff that cannot be tested.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/11/nato-summit-collectively-losing-their-minds/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 12 2024 7:06 utc | 84
Hello everyone. Please read the latest post by Simplicius the thinker in his substack. As I have been emphasizing since the beginning of SMO. Russia has not yet won its war and Ukraine has still not lost.
Western AI and Chinese-made Ukrainian drones are successfully countering the Russian advance. Russia can only win if it takes the gloves off and, among other things, completely destroys Ukraine's electrical infrastructure and stops all supplies of oil and gas and diesel fuel to the West. Always remember, all actions of Russia's enemies by land, air and sea are only possible because Russia supplies them with the fuel. Let everyone make up their own mind about the seriousness of Russia's efforts to win this war.
My humble opinion.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85
Elber @ 77
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni was caught rolling her eyes and making faces...
That's normal with her, ever watch USA TV situation comedies like Bewitched or Mork and Mindy? The characters especially female make exaggerated goofy facial expressions for everything, it's some sort of low-brow popular TV acting requirement. Meloni is like that, maybe she'll win an Emmy.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 7:38 utc | 86
In Bashkortostan, NPO Ufimets presented brushless electric motors for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), produced in Russia for the first time using automated technology.These motors have improved characteristics compared to their analogues. Automated production technology allows adjusting the motor power, making them suitable for a wide range of tasks. This opens up new opportunities for using UAVs in various fields, such as reconnaissance, monitoring, cargo delivery, and others.
Due to their characteristics and versatility, brushless electric motors can significantly increase the efficiency and functionality of unmanned systems, contributing to the further development of this high-tech industry in Russia.
❗️FPV ambush from the ENEMYOnce again, in several directions, FPV operators set up an ambush..
Be careful. This is not the kind of story where a couple of drones are stuck in a loaf of bread...
It happens like this - one or two drones are looking for a target. As soon as they find it, they work on it one at a time with a difference of one minute. At this time, 5-6 more drones fly out and burn equipment and people to dust. Then a pause..
What happens next, and here carefully!
An evacuation group pulls up and about 6 more drones work on it. In total, there were 3 waves in 30 minutes. In terms of quantity, this is about 15 drones. In terms of losses - 3 vehicles, 4x200 and 7x300. Serious injuries.
The situation described above is real, from our comrade medic.
Information for evacuation medical groups, be careful, use FPV scanners and use electronic warfare.
@HealerTacMed🩸
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 12 2024 7:50 utc | 87
@ Elber | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 65
@ Occasional poster | Jul 12 2024 6:48 utc | 83
Probably most EU oligarchs went and go along for reasons like self-serving corruption, propaganda, group-think, practical lack of choice anyway, optimism in the legacy hegemon based on the prior century, and now more momentum/group-think. If any were “holdouts”, perhaps they looked 25 years into the baseline future and anticipated or were warned about their own loss of global competitiveness: Chinese brands (for cars, pharmaceuticals, everything) would eventually replace European brands everywhere including Russia. To balance trade, Russia would eventually redirect most of its energy supplies to China. Looking at these scenarios, why not roll the dice?
Posted by: despondent | Jul 12 2024 7:56 utc | 88
Interesting claim from Kiev, I doubt it, there would be the very serious problem of DPRK troops getting taken prisoner. It's interesting Kiev is pushing it but reading their propaganda is like looking at animal scat for tracking.
NATO Is SHOCKED By KYIV's Claims That North Korean Troops Entered UKRAINE and Attacked TORETSK Front
However, it wouldn't hurt China and DPRK to start seasoning their troops and taking the measure of their field commanders, in large part that is what NATO is doing.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 7:59 utc | 89
@ Occasional poster | Jul 12 2024 6:48 utc | 83
“Yes” to your explanation too. Many reasons aren’t mutually exclusive.
Posted by: despondent | Jul 12 2024 8:14 utc | 90
Ukraine will be able to use F-16 fighter jets donated by the Netherlands to strike targets inside Russia Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren has said, as Kyiv awaits the arrival of 24 of the American-made aircraft from the NATO ally.
"There is not" a Belgian-style restriction on hitting targets within Russian borders, Ollongren told Politico on the sidelines of the Shangri-La Dialogue, Asia's premier defense summit, in Singapore. "We are applying the same principle that we have applied to every other delivery of capabilities, which is once we hand it over to Ukraine, it's theirs to use," she said.
Posted by: Steven Starr | Jul 12 2024 8:45 utc | 91
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76
You forgot to mention the "boots" ... they need "boots" on the ground!
The Australian military package includes guided and air defence missiles, anti-tank weapons, ammunition, and a shipment of boots.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 12 2024 8:49 utc | 92
Until 2010, Boeing charged an average of $300 for a trash container used in the E-3 Sentry. When the 707 fell out of use, the trash can was no longer a “commercial” item, meaning that Boeing was not obligated to keep its price at previous levels, according to an industry source.In 2020, the Pentagon paid Boeing over $200,000 for four of the trash cans In 2021, the company charged $36,640 each for 11 trash cans, resulting in a total cost of more than $400,000. The overcharge cost taxpayers an $600,000.
Lockheed hiked the price of an electrical conduit for the P-3 plane as much as 14 fold, costing the Pentagon an additional $133,000 between 2008 and 2015. Jamaica Bearings — a company that distributes parts manufactured by other firms — sold the DoD 13 radio filters that had once cost $350 each for nearly $49,000 per unit in 2022. The apparent markup cost taxpayers more than $600,000.
Recently Raytheon raised the price of Stinger missiles from $25,000 to more than $400,000.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 12 2024 8:53 utc | 93
Even Lewinsky is in a better position...
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 11 2024 20:53 utc | 11
Clever, hilarious and appropriate!
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 8:58 utc | 94
"There is not" a Belgian-style restriction on hitting targets within Russian borders...
Posted by: Steven Starr | Jul 12 2024 8:45 utc | 91
Unless they're launching long-range cruise missiles they'd never get close enough.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 9:03 utc | 95
My humble opinion.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85
Noted, but even a complete, instantaneous view of the battlespace doesn't save you when you're bringing FPV drones to a FAB fight. Remember all wars come down to logistics, not tactics, and Ukraine doesn't have the former so Ukraine is in fact doomed. Their troops just get to see their impending doom in real-time.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 9:11 utc | 96
anon2020 @ 93
It all functions through kickbacks and the bigger the pie the bigger the slice.
"You Have To Be In It To Win It!"
"The More You Bet, The More You Win!"
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 9:16 utc | 97
Maybe this is the beginning of the end, if enough units refuse to fight.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23
The azovs and nato barrier troops prevent most of these events. Those who manage to surrender are few and lucky. I think the new "army" being built in Poland will do two things: provide more barrier troops, including nato soldiers and various terrorists, and will be a prison for the Ukr refugees which will be ejected from EU, on their way to Ukr. Germany is already preparing to send them back, just read the local news.
EU itself is built using this system of barriers for barriers until peasants. At the top being US troops deployed everywhere and their deals to access military bases at will, do anything they want from there. Eventually Germany itself will be the Ukr of today. If they don't do as told, US will kill them. If they do as told, RF will kill them but forever this time. Or China will (this is from 2022 asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/German-Air-Force-shows-it-can-be-in-Asia-in-a-day)
Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 9:18 utc | 98
Funny statement from Ukraine's foreign minister Kuleba:
‼️ BREAKING: "Russian oil is not a Ukrainian man of draft age to prohibit it from crossing our border,” the Ukrainian MFA about the work of the Druzhba oil pipeline.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:30 utc | 99
By the way, when Biden called the president of Ukraine Putin, and the vice president of Biden administration Trump. There are claims he was reading from the teleprompter.
So that could mean someone has changed the words on the teleprompter? Why would that be?
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:38 utc | 100
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Just up from History Legends:
Ukraine Abandons Krasnohorivka & Russia Storms Chasiv Yar (yes, he uses Ukie spellings)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H77oSMfZArU
Posted by: Drifter | Jul 11 2024 19:28 utc | 1