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July 11, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-165
News & views related to the conflict in Ukraine …
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Just up from History Legends: Posted by: Drifter | Jul 11 2024 19:28 utc | 1 How long before a suicidal escalation by the Ukrainians? Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 19:34 utc | 2 How long before a suicidal escalation by the Ukrainians? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 11 2024 19:51 utc | 3 The Russian army took the entire east of Krasnogorovka! Posted by: updates | Jul 11 2024 19:59 utc | 4 I think we’re already there… they just aren’t getting anywhere with their efforts. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 11 2024 20:02 utc | 5 The upside is there won’t be much of an insurgency after the war, due the fact that the most ardent & capable of such things on the Ukie side will have gone to Bandera. Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 20:14 utc | 6 Drifter | Jul 11 2024 19:28 utc | 1 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 20:26 utc | 7 NATO won’t intervene directly en-masse. Despite the perpetual doomer whining, because they can’t. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 20:30 utc | 8 One must see the destruction of Ukraine as a Western secondary goal now. Sure, they would have liked for Russia to collapse and be plundered, or alternatively for a stalemate with a captured and then exploited Ukrainian State. Now that they cannot have it, noone is allowed to. Posted by: Roland | Jul 11 2024 20:36 utc | 9 According to a preliminary report, AFU dropped some ammunition from a Baba Yaga drone on children in Shebekino. 2 died and several injured. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2024 20:52 utc | 10 @8 +1 Posted by: Ornot | Jul 11 2024 20:53 utc | 11 1. U.S./ NATO not getting Russia to carve up. Posted by: kupkee | Jul 11 2024 20:59 utc | 12
Assuming this is correct – a quick guess how many troops NATO might want send to Ukraine. France has 209,000 active military. 2000 is roughly 1% of active French personnel. All of NATO has 3,800,000 active. If all of NATO sends troops in the same proportion, then NATO would send 38,000 soldiers to Ukraine. Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14 Nobody thinks about one important moment. Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15 NATO would send 38,000 soldiers to Ukraine. Posted by: jpc | Jul 11 2024 21:40 utc | 16 Anyone looking for proof that the Patriot system is worthless, here it is. Unloaded them while you can still get most of your money back laundering them through Ukraine:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 21:40 utc | 17 “The Mouse That Roared” LOL…
The article doesn’t mention anything about how many Patriots, HIMARS or F-16s Luxembourg will be supplying, nor any thing about joint naval exercises… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18
Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:47 utc | 19 A bit of info that got left out of the “children’s hospital strike” in Kiev:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 21:47 utc | 20 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 21:54 utc | 21 Ukraine concludes security agreement with Luxembourg Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:57 utc | 22 According to Dima Ukrainians have a mental disease. Why die for shit hole town when peace negotiations are coming within the next few months or by years end. Many Ukrainians are bailing out from their positions. Seems the disease is spreading. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23 After the NATO summit, one could get the sense NATO is running on auto-pilot re. Ukraine project. Envisioned China project is running on autopilot too. Plus all the useless and self-damaging sanctions. A lot of talk, zero real action. So where’s the mobilization? Nationalization of MIC? Rebuilding of supply chains domestically lost during decades of globalization? Posted by: unimperator | Jul 11 2024 22:00 utc | 24 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 11 2024 22:03 utc | 25 @17 Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:06 utc | 26 Biden just introduced the Elensky as “President Putin” at the NATO summit 🙂 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jul 11 2024 22:06 utc | 27 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 11 2024 22:03 utc | 25 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 28 unimperator | Jul 11 2024 22:00 utc | 24 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 29 @18 Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:13 utc | 30 Link confirming what was posted above, plus looking at Twitter shows much hilarity over it. Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 11 2024 22:15 utc | 31 S.P. Korolev | Jul 11 2024 22:06 utc | 27 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:18 utc | 32 on the bus i saw a man reading the not news paper the headline read Posted by: todd | Jul 11 2024 22:27 utc | 33
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1811460656794595629 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2024 22:33 utc | 34 Wildly successful nato-nazi shakedown of Canucklhead vassals…. Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 11 2024 22:34 utc | 35 Theres gonna be no F16s for Ukraine. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 11 2024 22:34 utc | 36 todd @ 33 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 22:39 utc | 37 Corrected url for #35 on nato-shakedown Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 11 2024 22:42 utc | 38
Monica’s dad? Husband? HERMIUS @ 36 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 22:49 utc | 40 Dima is an excitable boy; let’s hope his sources which are likely just Telegram posts are correct about Ukrainian morale collapsing, but expect the worst, which is that enough Azov types are left to put a bullet in the back of any UAF soldier who gets ideas about quitting. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 11 2024 23:11 utc | 41 Marat Khairullen offers these words:
And NATO shares the same fantasies. @ todd | Jul 11 2024 22:27 utc | 33 Posted by: despondent | Jul 11 2024 23:21 utc | 43 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23 Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 11 2024 23:26 utc | 44 Sevim Dagdelen the foreign affairs spokesperson for the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance grouping in the German Bundestag and prominent critic of NATO, shared her views with the Global Times over these issues. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 23:28 utc | 45 karlof1 @ 42 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 23:44 utc | 46 Posted by: vargas | Jul 11 2024 21:36 utc | 15 Posted by: Naive | Jul 11 2024 23:51 utc | 47 Abused Ol’ Criminal Joe introducing “Putin” is not only comedy gold, but also a riddle Posted by: PubliusFlavius | Jul 11 2024 23:53 utc | 48 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 11 2024 21:32 utc | 14 Posted by: Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:05 utc | 50 “is putin ready to talk? i am ready to talk to putin, unless putin is ready to change his behaviour!” Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 0:09 utc | 51 PubliusFlavius | Jul 11 2024 23:53 utc | 48 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 0:10 utc | 52 Polish troops execute Ukrainian soldiers who refused orders to attack the Russian line. Posted by: Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:14 utc | 53 Naive | Jul 12 2024 0:14 utc | 53 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 0:24 utc | 54 https://x.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1811551613179310329?t=QLfFbSS2VkpUvDD22DM4gQ&s=19 Posted by: Hankster | Jul 12 2024 0:29 utc | 55 @Naive | Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:14:00 GMT | 53
Why do we know they’re Polish troops? No visible markings I could see. Posted by: James M. | Jul 12 2024 0:36 utc | 56 @Naive | Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:14:00 GMT | 53
Sorry, should be how do we know. Posted by: James M. | Jul 12 2024 0:37 utc | 57 sean the leprechaun | Jul 11 2024 21:58 utc | 23 Posted by: Cynic | Jul 12 2024 0:48 utc | 58 D day dump
Three weeks later, on the 28th, far earlier than usual Biden Trump debate with media cued to dump Biden. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 0:52 utc | 59 Cynic | Jul 12 2024 0:48 utc | 58 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 1:13 utc | 60 Cynic@58….I’m not sure if western Ukrainians are even fighting, they say Kiev is still party central, I’m not there, but if it walks like a duck…..The front line guys, that’s who matter and they are the ones leaving their zone, why die now when peace is a few months away, a major game changer? Time will tell. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 12 2024 1:40 utc | 61 Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2024 22:13 utc | 30 “B-2 failed the top secret tests so badly they stopped at 20 which is the test fleet.” Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 12 2024 1:45 utc | 62 LightYearsFromHome | Jul 11 2024 23:44 utc | 46– Just some thoughts on war-gaming, it was being said that the goal before this conflict started wasn’t so much to win but to make Russia fight. In this light Russia lost by fighting, aka unprovoked invasion. It is possible to believe therefore that this war will also end in defeat for them, in terms of desirable outcomes like a neutral buffer state. Russia probably foresaw the encroachment of Poland, et al, into Western Ukraine as unstoppable, and is resigning itself to this perpetual conflict scenario, preparing the population for a cold war stand-off by keeping to their official narrative of longterm peace. Keeping the bad guy the bad guy who does bad things, the West will reinforce the war footing for Europe and Russia. I think the war which is climaxing soon, will result in an inescapable victory for the warmongers, and the believers, aka, zombies of the narrative. Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 64 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 12 2024 0:09 utc | 51 Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 65 The Reuters posting title/sub title below sums it up I believe
Its show time! Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 12 2024 2:49 utc | 66 psychohistorian | Jul 12 2024 2:49 utc | 66 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 3:00 utc | 67 Certain analyst by name of Col. M. interviewing recently on the ME conflict, mentions his conviction that Tactical unmentionables will likely need to be used against Lebanon in case of a Northern war (but of course he mentioned them).. Well, whatever, but the suggestion that Russia will open Pandora’s chest to repulse crusader Euros from Ukrainian entry is pretty farfetched , but the reverse is not at all farfetched, which is that the Euros will tempt Russia to do just that. Why? Because, escalation, global escalation, appears to be in the works and Russia de facto gets all the blame for starting the fireworks, so why not add to the misery. (Just a random musing BTW- from my couch:) Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 12 2024 3:03 utc | 68 Nato in the Asia Pacific…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 3:34 utc | 69 The F16’s supposedly on the way to the AFU AF (I will believe only when I see the wreckage photos) are obsolete C and D models. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 3:42 utc | 70 Posted by: Roland | Jul 11 2024 20:36 utc | 9 Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 3:47 utc | 71 “Russian army recruiting 1,000 men a day – MOD Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 3:53 utc | 72 @ psychohistorian | Jul 12 2024 2:49 utc | 66 Posted by: james | Jul 12 2024 3:59 utc | 73 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 11 2024 22:10 utc | 28 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 12 2024 4:00 utc | 74 Tobias Cole | Jul 12 2024 3:42 utc | 70 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 4:11 utc | 75 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 11 2024 21:43 utc | 18 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76 “Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni was caught rolling her eyes and making faces as she waited for a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) meeting to begin.” Posted by: Elber | Jul 12 2024 4:26 utc | 77 Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 12 2024 4:47 utc | 79 Posted by: james | Jul 12 2024 3:59 utc | 73 Posted by: ryanggg | Jul 12 2024 6:04 utc | 80 Barrel Brown @ 76: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 12 2024 6:24 utc | 81 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76 Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2024 6:38 utc | 82 I have been considering the motivation for all this war fever, and I am wondering if it is to increase the hold the EU has on europe. The purpose of the EU is to increase its powers – create its own debt, raise its own taxes, build its own military etc, and we are well down that path already. The people in charge want more, and how better to get more than to have a war? Losing a city or two would be small price to pay for a true United States of Europe – merely the birth-pangs of the new 1,000 year Reich, forged in blood and fire. Posted by: Occasional poster | Jul 12 2024 6:48 utc | 83 Joe Lauria bone-chillingly frames the West’s state of descent, while offering nary a shred of hope for us. The optimistic call-to-action has been dropped from standard conclusions. The modern style is to wrap up on a note of overt despair…
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/11/nato-summit-collectively-losing-their-minds/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 12 2024 7:06 utc | 84 Hello everyone. Please read the latest post by Simplicius the thinker in his substack. As I have been emphasizing since the beginning of SMO. Russia has not yet won its war and Ukraine has still not lost. Posted by: guest from franconia | Jul 12 2024 7:09 utc | 85 Elber @ 77
That’s normal with her, ever watch USA TV situation comedies like Bewitched or Mork and Mindy? The characters especially female make exaggerated goofy facial expressions for everything, it’s some sort of low-brow popular TV acting requirement. Meloni is like that, maybe she’ll win an Emmy. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 7:38 utc | 86
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 12 2024 7:50 utc | 87 @ Elber | Jul 12 2024 2:42 utc | 65 Posted by: despondent | Jul 12 2024 7:56 utc | 88 Interesting claim from Kiev, I doubt it, there would be the very serious problem of DPRK troops getting taken prisoner. It’s interesting Kiev is pushing it but reading their propaganda is like looking at animal scat for tracking. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 7:59 utc | 89 @ Occasional poster | Jul 12 2024 6:48 utc | 83 Posted by: despondent | Jul 12 2024 8:14 utc | 90 Ukraine will be able to use F-16 fighter jets donated by the Netherlands to strike targets inside Russia Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren has said, as Kyiv awaits the arrival of 24 of the American-made aircraft from the NATO ally. Posted by: Steven Starr | Jul 12 2024 8:45 utc | 91 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 12 2024 4:25 utc | 76 Posted by: Menz | Jul 12 2024 8:49 utc | 92
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 12 2024 8:53 utc | 93 Even Lewinsky is in a better position… Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 8:58 utc | 94 “There is not” a Belgian-style restriction on hitting targets within Russian borders… Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 9:03 utc | 95 My humble opinion. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 12 2024 9:11 utc | 96 anon2020 @ 93 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 12 2024 9:16 utc | 97 Maybe this is the beginning of the end, if enough units refuse to fight. Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2024 9:18 utc | 98 Funny statement from Ukraine’s foreign minister Kuleba:
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:30 utc | 99 By the way, when Biden called the president of Ukraine Putin, and the vice president of Biden administration Trump. There are claims he was reading from the teleprompter. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 12 2024 9:38 utc | 100 |
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