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July 8, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-162
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I recommend you don’t perform analysis with a conclusion already in mind. That can lead you in unprofitable directions.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2024 0:03 utc | 100
This was the conclusion of my analysis. You don’t agree. Let’s see.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 9 2024 0:05 utc | 101
I recommend you don’t perform analysis with a conclusion already in mind. That can lead you in unprofitable directions.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2024 0:03 utc | 100
This was the conclusion of my analysis. You don’t agree. Let’s see.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 9 2024 0:05 utc | 101
Just to be clear: I did not discount that it was a false flag. I simply stated that, if so, it was the lamest one imaginable. So, false flag is on the table…it’s just not the main course in my opinion.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 9 2024 0:07 utc | 102
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 8 2024 23:41 utc | 89
Yeah, but flat pack or not, still technically a weapons factory, and still military workers, and still a useful target. 🙂
And yeah, I often reflect on what a paragon of Soviet manufacturing The Ukraine was <1991; how it let itself go over 3 decades through corruption and puppetry; and how it is now a shitbox that you can hardly imagine the EU wanting to nurse it and rebuild it for decades. Imo, the only place it really deserves a future is within the RF ... but not real likely THAT. Putin must therefore make 1000% sure that any future economically restored/strong Ukraine never rearms or gets puppeted again. I'm sure that's his goal. Funnily, in the same way that the US crippled Germany and Japan post 1945 --"Fine, rebuild, be manufacturingly strong, but no more offensive weapons for you". That should be, hopefully will be, Ukraine's post SMO constitution. And Zelensky must arrive at EITHER Hitler's or Hirohito's fate.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 9 2024 0:13 utc | 103
“Murilo Lopes Santos, 26 years old, from Paraná, born in Castro, in Campos Gerais, died in combat in the Ukrainian War, in the city of Zaporizhzhia. The information was confirmed by his family.”
https://g1.globo.com/pr/campos-gerais-sul/noticia/2024/07/08/paranaense-morre-na-guerra-da-ucrania-apos-quase-dois-anos-lutando-como-voluntario-era-o-ideal-que-ele-tinha-diz-mae.ghtml
G1 is the largest news portal here in Brazil. I read the news and selected the following excerpts:
“According to the family, Murilo landed in Krakow, Poland, and took a bus to the border with Ukraine. Afterwards, he stayed for about a month in the Ukrainian city of Ternopil.”
“When he went, more in the beginning, he would even make video calls. But lately it has been much more complicated, it was just messages without audio. It had been about two months since I had heard his voice,” he said.
“He said that they were being invaded there, that they had no electricity. He said that it was very complicated there and that he would lose contact […] He said that he couldn’t give me much hope,” he reported.
Posted by: Elber | Jul 9 2024 0:15 utc | 104
Re: Strike on Okhmatdyt hospital. If you locate the hospital on google maps and go to Beresteiskyi Ave (streetview), you will find the viewpoint from the video. This is south of the hospital and this means the missile came from the west.
Posted by: MG | Jul 8 2024 23:53 utc | 93
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 9 2024 0:23 utc | 105
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
What’s left out this time is just as interesting as what’s included. No AFV’s (bar engineering) no medium/short-range AD, no LAW’s, no artillery platforms (even mortars) and no heavy trucks or tankers.
Hardly a vote of confidence in Ukraine’s current strategy.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2024 0:26 utc | 106
@LoveDonbass | Tue, 09 Jul 2024 00:03:00 GMT | 100
Germany: AfD and Wagenrecht
Wagenknecht is apparently genuine; she left Die Linke over their wokism and took with her the critique of capitalism and the demand to leave NATO. If you read German, I recommend to browse the statements of her husband Oskar Lafontaine, an ex-SPD elder statesman who is more upfront than her from his position in the Saarland Landtag. He almost sounds like a MoA regular, just more cautious and with less blustering and slight.
AfD, on the other hand, is a bag of cats. It is their current position to have no finalized position on whether Germany should be in NATO. I’m wary they will go the way of one Meloni if they ever come to power.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 9 2024 0:35 utc | 107
Sorry, my above was directed at Naive’s 99. A software glitch from the add on?
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 9 2024 0:37 utc | 108
Zelensky’s approval rating is just a bit higher than Biden’s after the debate. Ukrainians seem to be at the point where many still believe Russia is the aggressor, but are also very pissed at the comedian dictator and perhaps whatever remains in the rada.
When posting videos of Russian strikes first came in, very few videos came out of Ukraine. In the last months, many have been coming out, people ignoring the law against posting video.
The increase in videos is perhaps in line with the comedians decreasing approval rating.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2024 0:42 utc | 110
110 When criminalizing posting videos of Russian strikes first came in,…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2024 0:51 utc | 111
And Zelensky must arrive at EITHER Hitler’s or Hirohito’s fate.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 9 2024 0:13 utc | 103
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I don’t get the Hirohito part. He was, after all, a quasi-godlike monarch who was allowed to keep his position, if in only an essentially ceremonial role. elensky isn’t even the legitimate president of 404 anymore, so what position should he be allowed to maintain?
I’d say “either Hitler or [insert name of some deposed and disgraced, and ideally imprisoned, monarch or dictator]” — although I’d prefer “either Hitler or Mussolini” myself.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 9 2024 1:05 utc | 112
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 9 2024 0:23 utc | 105 “this means the missile came from the west”
What is the significance that the missile came from the west? This things could fly circles around the target and then go in and hit it.
Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 9 2024 1:08 utc | 113
@ LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2024 0:03 utc | 100
is this better timing? i mean.. what a friggin’ coincidence… right when the fearmongers are set to gather and figure out their next boneheaded move..
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_226992.htm
Posted by: james | Jul 9 2024 1:35 utc | 114
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 9 2024 0:23 utc | 105
EXACTLY my own analysis. And, over 2 years, there have been many many other such alignments which prove Ukie missiles into Ukie non-military facilities. God they are such liars. It boils my blood to hear their absolute shit and to think the Ukie people are swallowing it again and again.
C’mon Jake-they are just following the Israeli/Zionist playbook. “The Practice of Propaganda”, -adapted from the original Goebbels edition. –
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 9 2024 1:51 utc | 115
@ LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2024 0:03 utc | 100
is this better timing? i mean.. what a friggin’ coincidence… right when the fearmongers are set to gather and figure out their next boneheaded move..
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_226992.htm
Posted by: james | Jul 9 2024 1:35 utc | 114
James, come on! What a dribble of drab this itinerary you linked to is! Do you think the latest *alleged* Russian strike on a hospital (later we will learn a special one for sick children and possibly even worse) is going to CHANGE NATO’s trajectory? My thought is less that the West is engineering a Russian atrocity in anticipation of the NATO summit than the strikes are a message from the Russians to NATO that “we can fuck with you, fuckers” before the NATO summit. Now, I could be wrong, because there is an absence of common sense from the “peace-loving, rules-based” West these days, but I think it is more likely that the Russians are sending a message and the Ukrainians are spinning the results to suit their purposes.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 9 2024 2:21 utc | 116
I’ve had another call with my ex wife on the weekend and, since she is still connected to the EU bureaucracy, she had one piece of interesting info: according to her a lot is being talked about exhausting Russia in a timeframe of 2-3 years. I don’t have any other details just that everybody is talking like this: „if we get Ukraine over this time, Russia will be done and all of its resources gone“.
Dunno if this is just another „more weapons“ thing before the NATO meeting or if there’s more to it. Remember that Pistorius, the German defense minister, told us that we will have to be ready in 2028…
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Jul 9 2024 2:28 utc | 117