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July 6, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-159

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

Of interest:

In Ukraine, Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit (archived) – New York Times
A German medic said he was so troubled that he confronted his commander. Others boasted about killings in a group chat.

Caspar Grosse, a German medic in that unit, said he saw the soldier plead for medical attention in a mix of broken English and Russian. It was dusk. A team member looked for bandages.

That is when, Mr. Grosse said, a fellow soldier hobbled over and fired his weapon into the Russian soldier’s torso. He slumped, still breathing. Another soldier fired — “just shot him in the head,” Mr. Grosse recalled in an interview.

Mr. Grosse said he was so upset by the episode that he confronted his commander. He said he spoke to The New York Times after what he regarded as unwarranted killings continued.

In a second episode, a Chosen member lobbed a grenade at and killed a surrendering Russian soldier who had his hands raised, video footage reviewed by The Times shows.

In a third episode, Chosen members boasted in a group chat about killing Russian prisoners of war during a mission in October, text messages show. …

Comments

Apologies. Above post is mine, with posting assistance from the cat.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 7 2024 2:45 utc | 201

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 7 2024 2:45 utc |
Your original post was magisterial, as someone else has already recognized. It takes just one post like that to make all the victim groups whine.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 2:55 utc | 202

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 2:11 utc | 194
Ffs Ed. You’ve mis-read and mis-pasted the comments. It was NOT Sid who called Tom a troll, but Tom who called Sid a troll. Ffs.
And if you care to check back on Sid’s posting history (as I just did) it is crystal clear which side of the Ukro/RF and Pal/Isr wars he’s on (ours!).
Sheesh, what a confected pile on, all for Sid asking AN INNCENT QUESTION about Tom’s original post at 127. Even *I* could not discern any clear meaning as regards the Palestinians.
I’ve just re-read this whole unnecessary pile on from when Tom jumped on Sid for no good reason at 135 . Sid simply asked for a clarification at 127. Tom could have avoided the subsequent 20 odd posts by simply clarifying himself rather than assuming/accusing Sid of being a troll in 135. Sid then called Tom “disingenuous”. But I would use the term unreasonably accusatory.
Then magically, like gang rape, like a dog pack, everyone jumped on Sid out of loyalty to Tom’s perspective. Fucking pathetic. And now I expect everyone will pile on me for simply showing groupthink.
But before you do, re-read the thread everyone to get clarity. And Tom, apologise to Sid for your completely unfounded paranoia. I do understand your M.O. for thinking that. But hey, trust a little in good faith. Siddhartha HAS NO HISTORY of trolling or even personal animosity here. He is, by my reading, rather PC, woke. But maybe he comes here to learn from oldies like you.
And Ed, put your fucking reading glasses and thinking cap on before you falsely spout off again. You too owe Sid an apology.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 2:57 utc | 203

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 2:57 utc | 203
Thank you Jake.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 3:05 utc | 204

Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 2:57 utc | 203
The Siddhartha clown has been around for awhile. If you had to do a search on his/her comments then its because you don’t know the name. And its not so much the name but comments posted under that name in the past that gives a peek under the covers. Like its shit insinuating Palestinians are fake victims.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:07 utc | 205

There is a warrant out for Putin’s arrest over removing children from a war zone at their parents request and relocating them to Russia where they are suffering long days in school, doing art, music, playing and getting nutritious food and a clean bed to sleep in without having to worry about random cluster bombs or petal mines raining down on them.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 18:52 utc | 57
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The fact that the Joe Biden White House is responsible for getting the ICC to issue these phony charges against President Putin in record time is proof to the world that “International Law” is no longer a thing.
After 10 months of a bonified genocide in Gaza and the West Bank, Joe Biden has not lifted a finger on behalf of the thousands of victims of Israel’s war crimes against women, children, and civilians in general. In fact, Joe is arming the war criminals. But Biden say that he is running the world, but he failed to mention that he is running it into the ground. History will not be kind to Joe, may he rot in hell.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:07 utc | 206

Simplicicus December 1991 bitchute channel had a drone video of two ukies running. One gets hit with drone , other one was uninjured but suicides next to him. Links disappear the whole post so go find it if you wish

Posted by: Hankster | Jul 7 2024 3:08 utc | 207

An open call for fighters with no supervision was designed from the outset for this. Command responsibility is foremost in the minds of military commanders, they know full well what happens with unsupervised troops and these troops were purposefully drawn from people with ugly ideological backgrounds as well as the odd adventurer such as Grosse.
Whenever there is a war crime there is a failure in command.
Commanders under whom war crimes are committed inhabit a spectrum with incompetence at one end and complicity at the other. In all cases the commander over these leaders is supposed to watch for these behaviours. Obviously the battalion commanders are either incompetent, complicit or both to allow The Chosen’s leader to continue in his role. Even the name of the unit rings alarm bells.
I find it hard to believe that from the outset the upper command never considered this situation arising with these troops.

Posted by: James Lawrie | Jul 7 2024 3:08 utc | 208

Anyone who names themselves “Siddhartha” on a talkboard will never be able to understand someone else’s perpective. They think they are always right and always noble. They are just too self-righteous and are often ignorant of the facts of history.
Hence the poster’s facile denigration of Tom Q as a liar. “If you disagree with me you are a liar!”.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:13 utc | 209

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:09 utc | 122
Bucha is the most transparent fraud perpetrated by US imperialism. Right up there with Russia blowing up its own pipeline. After two years of pure lies of the MSM and all the “human rights” agencies of Imperialism, the rational approach is to disregard everything they have to say on the topic unless hard evidence is presented, not just smoke. I haven’t seen any hard evidence of Russian war crimes, although I accept there are likely isolated incidents when the struggle gets too hot, which is just an acknowledgement that war isn’t a ballet and there’s only so much any force can do to tame it.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 23:18 utc | 125
I think that RUSSIA would be correct to issue a formal statement that war crimes will be prosecuted, and the perpetrators and the people who gave orders will be charged after the war is over. Maybe they stated this already and I have missed it.
The “West” has declared somewhat akin by charging Russian official in the ICC… what is good for the goose.. etc.

Posted by: fanto | Jul 7 2024 3:14 utc | 210

And Ed, put your fucking reading glasses and thinking cap on before you falsely spout off again. You too owe Sid an apology.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 2:57 utc | 203
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You are correct Jake; I stuck my foot into a pile of shit and now I smell like shit. I withdraw my comment at #194.
My apologies to Siddhartha, I misunderstood the comment, I did go back and read so of the previous comments, and I still am not sure what the discussion was all about. But I was correct about one thing, Tom is no troll.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:20 utc | 211

“Europe Needs Peace.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2024 18:32 utc | 52
Ah, karlof1, thank you very much. I am probably the last and least to view your essay. One of my best but sadly departed friends in college was Hungarian. We both sang soprano in our little Santa Fe church – she very much more melodiously than I; (she first soprano and I second.) We became Orthodox together. I miss her.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 7 2024 3:21 utc | 212

Maybe they stated this already and I have missed it.
Posted by: fanto | Jul 7 2024 3:14 utc | 210
The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. Don’t need to state it. They investigate each and every crime. For the crimes that involve killing of prisoners, deliberate targeting/killing of civilians, those that cannot be brought to tribunal will be killed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:23 utc | 213

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:38 utc | 181
I guess nothing much happened in Ukraine today, huh? With all the OT talk of victim vs honor societies, Israel, Palestine victimhood (isn’t there a separate thread for that?) Holocaust industries, etc. it must mean the war in Ukraine is over. Thanks, Peter, for sharing some entertaining stories about goofy cats and weird snakes to brighten the conversation; much nicer than all the bickering.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 7 2024 3:25 utc | 214

The Siddhartha clown has been around for awhile. If you had to do a search on his/her comments then its because you don’t know the name. And its not so much the name but comments posted under that name in the past that gives a peek under the covers. Like its shit insinuating Palestinians are fake victims.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:07 utc | 205

No Peter. I read Sid’s posts going back 6 months. And he’s MADE NO FUCKING INSINUATIONS about Palestinians being fake victims. That’s YOUR fantasy. Moreover, the name was familiar to me, certainly not as an antagonist to the general MoA group view, but more out of innocuousness.
But why don’t we ask him to explain himself rather than you and Tom explaining him to us:
Siddhartha, what is YOUR take on the various victimhoods of Palestinians vs Israelis? Tom, are you ready to listen?
*** And before anyone chews my ear off for this being in the wrong thread, it was Tom who opened the topic here. I’d just like to clear it up before the bigotry makes me bring up my lunch.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 3:26 utc | 215

There should be more cooperation and organization, and less egotistical shit-slinging amongst the few westerners who have internet voices that differ from the MSM narrative. So weird to see people slinging more crap against each other, when cooperation and organization would be more helpful. But that would be STATIST!

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:27 utc | 216

Paranaense | Jul 7 2024 3:25 utc | 214
Just another day in the nasty wars of collapsing empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:28 utc | 217

A Czech mercenary admits in Prague Court how he looted Bucha after the Russians left, and also says the other mercenaries were doing similar and were killing people, especially those they thought were pro-Russian.

The interrogation of a Czech mercenary in a Prague court, 27-year-old Filip Siman, has shed light on what was happening in Bucha when Russian troops left it in March 2022.
Filip Siman, who is being tried in the Czech Republic for mercenarism, openly said that, having entered the abandoned city, he looted and stole everything that came to hand.
All of this was found in Prague: stacks of cash, gold and silver bars, jewelry, electronics. He even filmed himself robbing Ukrainians’ houses so that “nothing would go to the Russians.”
He also spoke about the reprisals in Bucha against everyone suspected of helping Russia. The commanders of the Carpathian Sich national battalion, where he was assigned, knew about this and encouraged their soldiers.
“We were the police, we were the court, we were the firing squad, for that matter.”

Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 7 2024 3:32 utc | 218

Jake, your background – communes or whatever it was, make you easy pickings for diddly Sid.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:38 utc | 219

Filip Siman, who is being tried in the Czech Republic for mercenarism, and who “even filmed himself robbing Ukrainians’ houses” also testified about “reprisals in Bucha against everyone suspected of helping Russia and that the commanders of his battalion “knew about this and encouraged their soldiers.”
The people of Bucha were killed after the Russians left by Ukrainian commanders and their mercenaries.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 7 2024 3:38 utc | 220

There should be more cooperation and organization, and less egotistical shit-slinging amongst the few westerners who have internet voices that differ from the MSM narrative. So weird to see people slinging more crap against each other, when cooperation and organization would be more helpful. But that would be STATIST!
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:27 utc | 216
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Wisco, trolls really do exist, and in my two and a half years of posting on MoA, I have seen some of the worst. Sometimes we get gun shy towards posters who rub against the grain. Sometimes we are wrong.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:39 utc | 221

“We were the police, we were the court, we were the firing squad, for that matter.” – Filip Siman, Czech mercenary in Bucha after Russians left.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 7 2024 3:39 utc | 222

“Wisco, trolls really do exist, and in my two and a half years of posting on MoA, I have seen some of the worst. Sometimes we get gun shy towards posters who rub against the grain. Sometimes we are wrong.”
Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:39 utc | 221
I know they exist. And some are a lot more sophisticated than others. Some aren’t recognized right away. Some are never recognized.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:44 utc | 223

War crimes. According to Nuremberg, aggression is the worst, the ultimate crime.
The soviet Union, The Russian Federation, China, research their military stance, the R&D – it very heavy on defences.
Do the same with the US, everything is and always has been focused on breaking through their defences.
Honour – The US has no rules. What they project onto others is what they do themselves. They cannot go beyond that because whatever they imagine, they will do.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:51 utc | 224

Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:13 utc | 209
Aaaw, come on man. That’s a ridiculous assertion and self justification. Of all the different kooky handles here, Siddhartha indicates to me (having read, studied and practised … presumably … his culture for 40 years), nothing more than an aspiring sannyasin (look it up). I might now change my name to Arjuna just to piss you off. 🙂 You truly show your ignorance of Hesse’s novel.
And where exactly did Sid call Tom a liar? I know you think the word disingenuous means liar, but it doesn’t. That’s YOUR fantasy.
>>> Hence the poster’s facile denigration of Tom Q as a liar. “If you disagree with me you are a liar!”.<<< Jesus Christ Wisco. You just put quotes around NOT WORDS that Sid said, but around YOUR interpretation of what YOU THINK Sid meant. That is truly pathetic writing. Now THAT is being disingenuous ...... no more smiley faces for you today.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 3:52 utc | 225

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:44 utc | 223
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Agreed!

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:53 utc | 226

I’m not one to call everyone who doesn’t agree with my every post a “troll” though. Gotta accept the fact that our opinions aren’t shared by everyone. I prefer free speech rather than censorship. At least intil my side gets the upper hand!

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 3:54 utc | 227

Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 3:52 utc | 225
Jake, the clown is western. Perhaps a left ovewr from the hippie trail but I don’t think so. Reminds me of the taller clown in the cheech and chong movies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:56 utc | 228

It would be interesting to know good Sid’s views on the Delai Lama.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:01 utc | 229

Jake, your background – communes or whatever it was, make you easy pickings for diddly Sid.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 3:38 utc | 219
No it doesn’t Peter. My study and practise and authorship on Eastern and Western philosophy and psychology (whilst also being an atheist and spiritual woo-woo detectorist) makes me acutely attuned to bullshit and bigotry, not to mention rhetorical devices like your attempted strawmen.
Nuff said.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 4:03 utc | 230

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:38 utc | 181
I guess nothing much happened in Ukraine today, huh?
Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 7 2024 3:25 utc | 214
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Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 6 2024 17:05 utc | 18
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 21:09 utc | 80
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Posted by: Nopir Pir | Jul 6 2024 21:39 utc | 91
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 23:08 utc | 120
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All I could find. Slim Pickings.
https://southfront.press/ has detail. So does Telegram, but as Milites has pointed out, frontline observations are of limited benefit.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 7 2024 4:04 utc | 231

But I was correct about one thing, Tom is no troll.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:20 utc | 211

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 4:07 utc | 232

“makes me acutely attuned to bullshit and bigotry,”
Who thinks they aren’t? Because you believe so, you are likely more inclined not to be.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:13 utc | 233

I think Jake is actually taking an unpopular stance, standing up for a poster (Siddhartha) who didn’t do anything that the rest of us aren’t guilty of doing. So that’s ok. Seems honorable. But I stand by my posts.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 4:15 utc | 234

Why does NYT print this type of story now?
Trying to reduce reader sympathy for the Western-backed forces, such that their loss will be met with reader resignation rather than shock or anger?
Trying to get ahead of stories that will emerge during eventual Russian-held trials?
Simply trying to maintain journalistic appearances?

Posted by: despondent | Jul 7 2024 4:18 utc | 235

despondent | Jul 7 2024 4:18 utc | 235
The US deep state tide has turned I suspect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:20 utc | 236

“The US deep state tide has turned I suspect”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:20 utc | 236
No it hasn’t. Deep State doesn’t care which idiot is put forth on TV as “leader”. It’s a game show.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 4:25 utc | 237

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:20 utc | 236
Even if there are more specific reasons (like the straws I was trying to grasp), yes, what you suspect seems likely to me as well.

Posted by: despondent | Jul 7 2024 4:32 utc | 238

some tedios slogging this comment thread 12 hours later.. yikes, but the troll word does get used way too often…
as for toms commentary on victimhood @ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:21 utc | 127 and sids question @ Siddhartha | Jul 6 2024 23:40 utc | 131
it is all valid to say and question all that.. so who here has the guts to answer siddhartha? it’s not a simple answer as i see it…
the whole jewish-zionist ‘we are the victims’ – see the holocaust for reference, has indeed been used as a tool.. people are tired of it.. of course the palestinians are victims… do they use the victim card? maybe they do, but they don’t hold a candle to the zionist-jews use of this…
we can all play the victim… i am reminded of a poster who is no longer with us here at moa a week later… but those who always see themselves as victims are certainly capable of victimizing others and we are seeing a lot of that too..
where it breaks down for me is in the use of words… they are only relative… use your imagination and you can probably come up with plenty of different meanings for them, especially over topics like this.. as titmouse preaches – be nice to others… it will come back to you.. what do you want to see coming back to you?

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:33 utc | 239

Wisco | Jul 7 2024 4:25 utc | 238
The Chinese economy is the main threat to US hegemonic empire. Time for war with China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:33 utc | 240

Posted by: Timbo | Jul 7 2024 4:23 utc | 237
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But really Timbo, how do you really feel about it?

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 4:35 utc | 241

it is all valid to say and question all that.. so who here has the guts to answer siddhartha? it’s not a simple answer as i see it…
Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:33 utc | 240
What do you consider the question to be?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:37 utc | 242

“…do they use the victim card?”
Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:33 utc | 240
It’s a fact that everyone uses the victim card when thay can get away with it. Why not? The only people who can’t are Americans or Canadians or Australians or Brits. Never been invaded or bombed. Ok Brits were bombed by Germans once so Brits started it.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 4:41 utc | 243

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 2:57 utc | 203
I never called anyone a troll. I asked him for clarification and more context before I answered the question and said that without such context it smacked of trolling, however I couldn’t be sure. Then the accusation of trolling was leveled against me in a post where Siddhartha was literally trolling.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 4:45 utc | 244

Just reading Biden’s latest guff. I think he’s suffering a meglomanical syndrome …
– “I’m running the world, every day”;
– “We are the essential nation of the world”;
– “Only God Almighty can tell me to step down”.
These are serious, serious delusions. This is the sort of thinking which causes desperate despots to push big red buttons. But thankfully no-one in Washington or the Pentagon would nowadays approve such lunacy from this senile old fart. So we are safe … for now!
The irony is that the US has previously accused “evil crazies like NK” of being poised for such strikes. But nooooo. It’s now old Joe who’s clearly the craziest of all.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 4:46 utc | 245

Whisco @ 195
Sure beats 10% for the big guy!

Posted by: Digital Dinosaur | Jul 7 2024 4:48 utc | 246

@ Wisco | Jul 7 2024 4:41 utc | 244
some of us were kicked off the land in the highland clearances… generational trauma… it doesn’t go away and most people are oblivious to it – not that i am claiming victim hood, but when i see others use these types of excuses, i too question it… what about the class war? you know, the real one, not this woke fake one we are supposed to be preoccupied with… until we figure out how to end that, these stupid mindless wars will continue.. power and money, generated by greed… it would be good if it could all end, but as another poster on the open thread pointed out – fear is a very powerful force in peoples lives that make them to all sorts of things, as opposed to say – conquering their own fears.. that takes a certain temperament and not an easy thing to get.. more experience helps.. age..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:48 utc | 247

Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 4:46 utc | 246
And the rest of the world watches. With Russia’s stance, I think power has already moved from west to east. I suspect what we are seeing now is the death throes of the dying west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:49 utc | 248

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:37 utc | 243
i thought i framed it in my comment, but i know it was only a superficial take on the question… it could be taken a few ways which siddartha would have to elaborate on for me to properly know.. i took it at face value..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:51 utc | 249

james | Jul 7 2024 4:51 utc | 250
I took it as equating Palestinians to fake victim hood. It could not be taken any other way considering the history. If he wished to pose a hypothetical, another, some other hypothetical situation could have been used. We know the history of Palestine and watch the genocide occurring. Like the Nazis of Ukraine, the Zionist state bluntly whats on there minds and post videos of what can at best be described as war crimes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:56 utc | 250

Siddhartha, what is YOUR take on the various victimhoods of Palestinians vs Israelis? Tom, are you ready to listen?
*** And before anyone chews my ear off for this being in the wrong thread, it was Tom who opened the topic here. I’d just like to clear it up before the bigotry makes me bring up my lunch.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 3:26 utc | 215
For one thing I didn’t open any topic. I continued a thread started by others re: victim complexes, perpetual victimhood, etc. vs. Honor and agency.
For another, I already asked Siddhartha what their interpretation was of my comment on the matter in response to the one-sentence post asking me if “Palestinians are victims.”
PeterAU1 answered first with basically the same thing I believe. To wit: Yes the Israelis are the oppressors and the Palestinians are the victims/oppressed but that doesn’t mean they have to take it lying down and get a ‘victim complex’ about it, nor that they have done so.
I made a later, longer reply saying basically the same thing, to which your bud Siddhartha responded with another one-sentence comment that I was being “disingenuous.” Being that this was somewhat perplexing, I realized that maybe I’d been correct to presume that this person was trolling rather than looking to engage in a good faith conversation and I followed it up by leaving one other ‘out’ for them in the possibility that maybe English wasn’t their best spoken/written language and perhaps they were missing some of the nuance and/or my use of scare quotes and the unstated notion in my comments that there is a difference btwn. victimhood and the victim mentality.
What followed was a stream of bullshit, innuendo, name calling, accusations of ad hominem, etc. all centered on or emanating from Siddhartha. That is what a troll does to a thread. So like it or not, Jake, Siddhartha has trolled y’all. I spotted it early and still I was gracious enough to ask them to explain the question and their interpretation of my original (but not THE original) post on the matter of “victimhood.” Nothing meaningful was accomplished except outside the meta conversation and Siddhartha’s whining and vague-to-meaningless accusations. Great job!
I think Wisco (and you – Jake) initially called it. After about the 120th or 150th post in one of these threads, there’s always someone lurking around to try to derail them. Siddhartha apparently accomplished that…for the most part.
And why are you so convinced that this person is on “our” side re: Ukraine/Russia or Israel/Palestine anyway? Nothing I’ve seen from that person here (including the all-too-late-and-also-vague statement that Palestinians are the victims) tells me it’s a good faith operator.
In fact I’m catching some strong sock puppeteering smells from this Siddhartha person.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 4:57 utc | 251

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 4:56 utc | 251
that was one possibility but without siddartha explaining, we are left to wonder… that was my take..
it was the juxtaposition of toms post and siddarthas question which created this stupid and probably innocent misunderstanding..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:58 utc | 252

“You just put quotes around NOT WORDS that Sid said, but around YOUR interpretation of what YOU THINK Sid meant. That is truly pathetic writing. Now THAT is being disingenuous …… no more smiley faces for you today.”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 3:52 utc | 225
Yeah, I overstepped the boundaries there.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 5:00 utc | 253

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 4:57 utc | 252
i think the verdict is still out on siddhartha… too soon for me to tell.. i guess i have to follow the personalities more closely… i don’t think you are a troll, but of course you know that..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 5:01 utc | 254

These are serious, serious delusions.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 4:46 utc | 246

We live in a delusional age. We are literally continuously encouraged to be delusional by the media. Delusion is celebrated all around us.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2024 5:04 utc | 255

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 4:33 utc | 240
All due respect, james, but in the post of mine to which Siddhartha initially responded with the question roughly paraphrased as “Are the Palestinians the victims?” when I hadn’t even broached the topic of the Palestinians (I just noted that Zionist Israel is built on the concept of perpetual victimhood). Am I obligated to respond like one of Pavlov’s dogs to rude/brusque off-topic questions out of the blue from someone who had previously not been participating in the conversation at all?
Further, being that this is a Ukraine O/T, and further still that this person’s very next comment directed at me – after I made a long explanation of the nuances of my views on the differences in how “victimhood” can be both true, but also used as a means of “justifying” evil actions (such as the Azov and Israelis) – where I concluded that Palestinians are, in fact, victims but that this doesn’t mean they have to adopt a victimhood complex – I think any reasonable person would agree that Siddhartha’s initial question was, in fact, answered very quickly .
Am I missing something deep and profound in the question of whether Palestinians are victims to Israel’s oppressions? The answer is “YES.” So, given that apparently I’m the “disingenuous” one, what remains to be said in response to Siddhartha’s question?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 5:05 utc | 256

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 5:01 utc | 255
Fair enough for me. I do think we’ve been “trolled” a bit, though. This wasn’t the Palestine thread and I hadn’t even mentioned them (just the Zionazis) in the context of fake vs. real victims. I’m sure this hasn’t been a pleasant read for many and I am sorry for my role in it if so.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 5:10 utc | 257

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 5:05 utc | 257
thanks… i get it… you’ve answered the question and siddhartha still thinks you haven’t.. not sure how to square that… again – siddhartha will have to get back to us here to clear things up.. as it presently stands – it ain’t very clear to me where they are coming from.. and i guess i stepped in a pile of shit, trying to help out, lol..

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2024 5:11 utc | 258

The fact that the Joe Biden White House is responsible for getting the ICC to issue these phony charges against President Putin in record time is proof to the world that “International Lawis no longer a thing.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 3:07 utc | 206

Never was. It was all a lie. Many thanks to the Palestinians for uncovering the truth to the masses. It’s too bad that so many had to die over the years to prove it.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jul 7 2024 5:21 utc | 259

Regarding Odessa – Russia believes it to be a Russian territory but in any negotiations I could see Russia accepting the Odessa Oblast as being established as autonomous (as was proposed for the Dombass regions prior to the SMO) but with strict constitutional clauses to prevent any militarisation or NGOisation by NATO/US/EU and a locked-in referendum after a period of years(10?) as to whether it fully joins the Russian Federation.
Not sure how that would play out – just look at New Caledonia and France for example.

Posted by: Digital Dinosaur | Jul 7 2024 5:22 utc | 260

Digital Dinosaur | Jul 7 2024 5:22 utc | 261
There was something mentioned awhile back by the Russian side about referendums in all regions of Ukraine. I suspect what Russia takes will be based on that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 5:27 utc | 261

It really is a sight: all those unelected EU types who loudly claim they want peace; and when someone makes the first timid step towards peace talks they protest.
Orbán shakes hands with Putin in Moscow amid EU uproar
As if shaking hands is a crime.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 7 2024 5:27 utc | 262

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 4:57 utc | 252
Hilarious that we are arguing with such articlate and detailed posts about a few one-liner posts from “Siddhartha”. That’s one helluva troll! Credit there.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 5:28 utc | 263

Reddit post on Siddartha, can’t agree more….
“Just finished ‘Siddhartha’ by Herman Hesse, a book I was told would change my life by multiple people on separate occasions… feeling a little underwhelmed.
“Siddhartha is a book that was given to me as a Christmas present. I finished it just now, and it was a great book. Great protagonist, great plot, great message. It really makes you think at times. But I feel as though I’ve had the book ruined for me by everyone telling me that it would change my life, when all it really did was give me a good read for a couple weeks. I read on through the book, waiting for that moment which would change my reality, but it didn’t come, leaving me with a sense of disappointment. A lot of it felt like mental masturbation, and I don’t mean that in a bad way, it’s just it didn’t really feel like anything incredibly meaningful or moving. I will say that I will try to read more Hermann Hesse in the future, he really is a great author. Overall, I’d say it’s 8/10 for me. What are your thoughts on Siddhartha
Totally overrated. Yes, all mental wanking.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 5:41 utc | 264

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 17:37 utc | 34
3) Sadly, Putin’s use of Chechen mercenaries and armies of violent felons, isn’t a recipe for stamping out atrocities either.
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Chechnya is a republic of the Russian Federation.
Chechens are citizens of Russia [россияне], though not ethnic Russians [русские].

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Jul 7 2024 5:41 utc | 265

There was something mentioned awhile back by the Russian side about referendums in all regions of Ukraine. I suspect what Russia takes will be based on that.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 5:27 utc | 262

The key words here are “awhile back”. Whatever Russia brings to the table should be considered “now”, anything offered “awhile back” would be out of Ukies’ reach already.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 7 2024 5:43 utc | 266

What are your thoughts on Siddhartha
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 5:41 utc | 265
I haven’t read fiction since quite young, perhaps very early twenties was the last time I read fiction.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 5:54 utc | 267

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 5:54 utc | 268
My hipster English teacher in high school in the early 80s forced me to read Siddhartha. He thought he was so cool

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 6:08 utc | 268

@ Wisco | Jul 7 2024 4:41 utc | 244
On the 19th February 1942 the combined aircraft from 4 Carriers of the Imperial Japanese fleet conducted a series of highly successful raids on the Australian port city of Darwin in the northern territory. The Japanese succeeded in sinking 11 ships (including two warships), grounding or damaging 28 more, destroying 30 aircraft, mainly of which were fighters and killing or wounding hundreds of people. Similar, though not as heavy raids continued until November 1943. As for the US, we know about Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Raumati | Jul 7 2024 6:18 utc | 269

That teacher also made us all read “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”. He was pretty cool in some ways. I lucked out with soo.e memorable teachers.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 6:20 utc | 270

Posted by: Raumati | Jul 7 2024 6:18 utc | 270
Thanks for setting me straight on that. Japanese back then were pretty aggressive.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 6:29 utc | 271

Posted by: Raumati | Jul 7 2024 6:18 utc | 270
Thanks for setting me straight on that. Japanese back then were pretty aggressive.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 6:29 utc | 272

Aggressive?! LOL You’re being too kind.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jul 7 2024 6:33 utc | 272

China can win Taiwan peacefully with co-operation with Russia, through a combination of advanced missile technology, submarines and ISR.
This can create a credible threat to all US bases and surface ships in the Philippines and Okinawa etc. and effectively force US to abandon Taiwan.
With ‘abandoning Taiwan’ I don’t mean they will stop PR support, it’s just that their PR support will be just that, words, as any navy ships near Taiwan will be under continuous monitoring and threat, with China being able to destroy any US base or ship up to Darwin and Guam.
In case of war or ‘cold war’, Taiwan can be defeated by simply blocking two or three major ports for a couple of weeks, and the island simply becomes unsustainable. There is no way US can help Taiwan in case of war, they probably know it. US is keeping up PR posturing to convince Taiwan to become cannon fodder, which is suicidal for them.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2024 6:38 utc | 273

Let us suppose that a peace treaty is signed between US and Russia, a treaty that says Ukraine will not join NATO, and that NATO will withdraw to the river Elbe.
What would stop the US from just giving NATO another name, and claim it has complied with the treaty?

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 7 2024 6:38 utc | 274

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 6 2024 17:51 utc | 37

Apparently the Russians hold about 14’000 Ukraine POW’s. I wonder how many the Ukrainians hold?
(Note that there a quite a few Ukrainians that do NOT want to be swapped, and even reports of Ukrainian wives going to Russia and being re-united with their husbands.
(and then deciding to stay there……!

Where did you get your numbers from???
https://tass.com/defense/1799149
Russia has 6,465 Ukrainian POWs — Putin

Posted by: ghiwen | Jul 7 2024 6:39 utc | 275

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 7 2024 6:38 utc | 275
Ukraine hasn’t been in Nato, but Nato has been in Ukraine since 2014. In fact, Ukraine was BY FAR the strongest Nato country in terms of artillery, air defense and army only second to US army.
The key issue isn’t Nato membership-or-not per se, the key issue is leaving remnant of Ukraine boxed in an area where they really can’t do anything to hurt Russia. This requires a larger buffer zone. The absolute best case for Russia IMO is a neutral government without Banderista’s and western ‘advisors’. The government would probably have to be supervised by Russia, actually.
They will also need to vet the entire population staying in RU or neutral part of Ukraine to root out Banderistas and kill them or drive them off to the boxed enclave. Something like Idlib in Syria.
In case the boxed-in-Galicia tries something, Russia can put serious pain on them.
As far as the West goes, they have little use of Ukraine without those precious titanium, lithium and other minerals which are with a high probability left in Russian or non-western influence.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2024 6:44 utc | 276

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 4:45 utc | 245
You say:
“I never called anyone a troll”
Please don’t try to revise history Tom, or play to the gallery. What do you call this:
“Are the Palestinians ‘victims’ as per your reasoning? Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 6 2024 23:40 utc | 131”
“It’s hard to tell, but your question smacks of some form of trolling. Before I answer your question, maybe you could try to articulate to me what you think my reasoning was re: the topic of victim culture or the culture of victimhood insofar as how it is deployed/employed by Empire. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:52 utc | 135”
Well, if it was “hard to tell”, why assume bad faith and not simply answer briefly to test the reply. He did not attack your position; he did not glorify Israel; he did not denigrate Palestinians; in short, he did not give ANY indications of trolling.
It is usually incumbent upon the questioned to answer the questioner. Do you not see how utterly stupid was your first response to ask someone to “… articulate to me what you think my reasoning was”. He was already asking you what your reasoning was (re the Palestinians) because it WASN’T CLEAR to him from what you first wrote. And by your own admissions, you had not in fact referenced the Palestinians. So why was his query taken as mischievous? Jeezus Christ. It was that simple.
But then you blow that into some full on provocation to say:
“Then the accusation of trolling was leveled against me in a post where Siddhartha was literally trolling.”
Oh really? And where was that pray tell? He simply called you disingenuous for not simply answering his query — a misuse of the word, imo. More accurately I’d calling it your baiting paranoia.
Then he replied:
“I was just asking a simple question”.
You replied:
“As I suspected. You’re almost certainly trolling. But so that I know for sure, are you a proficient English speaker and reader? Fluent? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:27 utc | 149”
By which time you and he were about 8 posts into a dialogue which had gone nowhere but merely escalated into group flaming. And whose fault was that for not simply answering his first query?
To which he took offence and replied:
“You are revealing your inner prejudices Tom. Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:50 utc | 157”
Which clearly indicated he’d had enough of your paranoid condescension and aspersions that he’s not language skilled enough to get your original meaning.
In conclusion, all your subsequent commentary about it was a perfect illustration of self justification for a tiny initial misreading of another poster followed by repeating anti-troll confirmation bias.
Go on, dig ya heels in about it, admit no wrong, carry on oblivious to your own interpretation foibles and being called out for them, and now further justifying your “hunch” that he was a troll by the fact that he’s dissappeared. Maybe he’s just had enough of pointless dialogue, unlike the tag team of your esteemed supporters.
And btw, y’all. I’m not specifically standing up for Siddhartha or taking a side against any particular forum member, just pointing out the chronic quick-to-draw impulses of assuming/calling people trolls. I’ve been accused of it by skip-reading morons who’ve never known my many global perspectives simply because they’ve IMAGINED malice or bad faith. That’s what I’m bickering about here — that sense of doctrinal superiority which fears even the slightest challenge … even when not known to be real.
I’ll leave it that. Promise!

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 7:01 utc | 277

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 6 2024 20:42 utc | 74

All the various non-paywall links in original post plus all comments are dead links.

b used both the original and an archived source —-> in brackets = (archived)
the others are simply bad knowledge / implementation
————————————————————
go to —> https://archive.is/ ( as an example )
or b’s variation —> https://archive.ph/
take the paywalled url and insert it first in the BLACK row
if nothing found insert the url in the RED row ( or when you want to archive an url you find worth it )
if you want to pass on the url , use the finding from the archive

Posted by: ghiwen | Jul 7 2024 7:16 utc | 278

So dumb that people actually think only anglo-saxons or other euros are brutal and cruel in war. Too much MSNBC and Netflix I rhink, not enough actual history.
Look right here in the Declaration of Independence….
“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions”.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript#:~:text=He%20has%20excited%20domestic%20insurrections,all%20ages%2C%20sexes%20and%20conditions.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 7:31 utc | 279

Have to admit though, the Declaration of Independence is chock full of “victim” complaints.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 7:46 utc | 280

All wars have some units killing surrendered enemies. I’m sure the Russians also kill some surrendering ukrops, especially when they have certain tattooes.
I actually saw a video in SouthFront near the start of the war where two ukrops in a hole in a forest were killed point blank while they were confused because the Russians appeared from their rear.
I also imagine that young woman that was captured near Karkhov on June 29th, rabid russophobe Natalya Samoilova,

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 30 2024 9:38 utc | 141
“>https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1807343655268544889

is not having the best times of her short life.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 7 2024 7:47 utc | 281

“We were the police, we were the court, we were the firing squad, for that matter.” – Filip Siman, Czech mercenary in Bucha after Russians left.
Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 7 2024 3:39 utc | 222

Thanks for the heads up MiniMO. I had to quickly look for references in the Czech Press to verify this information. It’s a long holiday week in Czechia, so I’ve not been paying much attention to the local news, and I’m not surprised that this information surfaced now, when most of the country is at the cottage or off somewhere else playing tourist. July 5th and 6th are state holidays. Here are a couple of links.
Police investigate three Czechs for looting in Ukraine and breaking sanctions (CZ).
Czech being judged for looting in Ukraine and filmed himself while doing so. (CZ)
The second article mentions he served in Bucha and your quote is at the bottom of it. No mention is made tying him to the massacre there. In court he added details, for example of how they captured a Russian soldier and that on his phone they found a video of a gang rape of a Ukranian woman and of how they were just trying to secure Ukranian valuables for Ukranians before the Russians returned to loot them.
He boasted of his activities in a press interview last fall, but now is recanting or rephrasing much of what he said then, now that he sees he can face up to 20 years in prison. Everything he says in court should be taken with a grain of salt. He seems to be now operating in a “cover your a**” mode and the court and press seem to be supporting him in this. Czechs who served in the Donbas after Majdan on the ethnic Russian side have already been given heavy jail terms.

Posted by: kvp | Jul 7 2024 7:50 utc | 282

The only one here taking the piss is Napo.
Chechens are part of the Rosgvardiya (National Guard Troops Federal Service of the Russian Federation). Chechen units belong to the 141st Special Motorised Regiment.
As for the name calling and bruised oversized egos, I’m putting down to “a failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach. So you get what we had here…..”
I do find the casual racial slurs associated with a certain poster’s name “enlightening” for want of a better word and no pun intended.
Stay strong titmouse and james, I feel you.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 7 2024 7:53 utc | 283

Wisco
281
Not quite sure what your point is here.
It’s OK for US troops in Ukraine to murder Russian POWs because 300 years ago “savage indians” were mean to us back home?

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 7 2024 8:00 utc | 284

Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 6 2024 16:12 utc | 4

The Ukrainians are scum…they also lead the world in kiddie porn and child trafficking…If it weren’t such a bad precedent, I would say nuke ’em…

All non-Muslim former nations of the Soviet Union suffered from “anything goes” as a replacement of communist ethics. Russia too in the 90s but then them Russians were lucky to have Putin and wise to have him re-elected.
The Ukraine on the other hand, is the worst case of the loss of all moral compass in recent times. That country is worse that the worst 3dr world satrapy, more corrupt, more savage, more degenerate, and more stupid generally, the very definition of a shithole nation.
BUT, there is hope. After the Russians conquer the whole thing, and Putin rules over them as well, they will do a u-turn and become a nation of conservative values, family-oriented.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 7 2024 8:01 utc | 285

“I do find the casual racial slurs associated with a certain poster’s name “enlightening” for want of a better word and no pun intended”.
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 7 2024 7:53 utc | 284
I haven’t noticed anything like that. Please elaborate.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 8:01 utc | 286

“It’s OK for US troops in Ukraine to murder Russian POWs because 300 years ago “savage indians” were mean to us back home?”
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jul 7 2024 8:00 utc | 285
That’s a really bizarre conclusion to draw from my post. I think you are making things up. To be clear, no, that wasn’t the intention of my post.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 8:10 utc | 287

– By which time you and he were about 8 posts into a dialogue which had gone nowhere but merely escalated into group flaming. And whose fault was that for not simply answering his first query? It was the fault of the paranoid conspiracy theorist.
You have to admit though, the MoA forum is chock full of mentally unstable victims, whining non-stop about their poor me victimology such as Wisco, Tom_Q_Collins , Peter AU1, canuck, William Gruff, Ed , UWDude, james, another day in Looneyville with the Nutters

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 7 2024 8:20 utc | 288

Chay Bowes
@BowesChay
The Hungarian Prime Minister, returning from his meeting in Moscow, has told German paper Die Welt that Vladimir Putin is more than 100% rational, disciplined, and restrained
If only we could say the same about the leaders of the EUSA.
https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1809631027121270907

Posted by: Menz | Jul 7 2024 8:20 utc | 289

ghiwen | Jul 7 2024 6:39 utc | 276
“Where did you get your numbers from?”
***
This is from NYT, plus an unknown number of prisoners are held in the Donbas. (Reuters says 8’000?). So what I reported is someones’ estimation (granted it was from X) of the total numbers. I don’t know why Putin said that there are only 6,465 Ukrainian POWs, (in Tass, date is given but not year) but I think he is deliberately undercounting as many Prisoners do NOT want to be exchanged.
“28 Apr 2024 Nearly 3,000 Ukrainian prisoners of war have been released from Russia in prisoner exchanges since the 2022 invasion began. More than 10,000 more remain in Russian custody, some of whom have …”
You are correct that the numbers do not add up, but Russia has been coy about giving numbers since POW’s have become targets for the Ukes.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 7 2024 8:21 utc | 290

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 7 2024 8:20 utc | 289
Yes, you are confused.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 8:21 utc | 291

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6 2024 20:41 utc | 73
William Gruff, your comment is brilliant. It describes one of the core aspects of the liberal ideology.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 7 2024 8:22 utc | 292

Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil
@ivan_8848
During the planned visit of German Foreign Minister Annalena Bärbock to Budapest next Monday, she intended to explain to Peter Szijjártó the “inappropriateness” of Orban’s trip to Moscow and his meeting with Putin. After which the Hungarian Foreign Ministry canceled her visit without explanation.
Laconic and clear.
https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1809695008066572733

Posted by: Menz | Jul 7 2024 8:26 utc | 293

That’s my name.
Not my state of being.

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 7 2024 8:28 utc | 294

The thread is meandering so will I.
Nixon was anti Zionist.
It’s on his tapes.
Many of his recordings have not been released and never will be.
Guess why?
He knew what they did to ‘John’
That’s probably why he started the taping.
In the room with him were a range of US zionazi praetorians from Bush Snr to Ronnie Raygun – future potus’s. A load of lawyers who aimed to control him.
And Kissinger – who was the personal wormtongue assigned to that potus to drive the history towards their greatest prize.
They probably threatened Nixon early, or he was smart enough or he got some friendly advice from a disgruntled believer – and he got his insurance policies in place.
The Tapes.
That’s how he ended up being forced to resign and not assassinated like his fellow patriot John.
Since then it’s pretty much been all downhill.
There at the bottom, where the US project is going to hit the ditch, it’s wheels falling off not making even its 3rd century.
Pretty much just after it’s Masters own project in The Levant, crashes and burns before it posts a century; that will happen just as their zionazi project and provocation in the RF borderlands fizzles out – before hitting half a century!
Still they are not going to let their ancient European conquests fall away – they would rather burn it all down , like Atlanta, like Moscow was to thwart their Napoleon!
The dorks think they are as clever – doh the Russians don’t want let alone need Europe. Never have, never will.
The unravelling at the top of the Vatican is the zionazis revealing their ancient control of the Holy Roman Empire as it fails and as the shapeshifters are forced to abandon their disguises and masks. Leaving their dead host to seek a new form or to flee shrieking ‘victim hood’ (i’ll keep out of that discussion thanks)
Why don’t they have a ‘reverse gear’ ?
One thing about the Khazars mass conversion to Judaism by order of their king that seems to elude critical analysis is – WHY that Talmudic religion? There were plenty of succeeding ones in EurAsia and Middle East never mind Rome!
When at that time Judaism was a ‘villain’ in the burgeoning Christianity?
Even as the Orthodox had escaped the control of the Holy Roman Emperor in the papacy.
Having heretically left the European Eden Garden and gone East.
East where the World Island is and where the spices, silks and other civilisational creations came from.
That’s why they chose the ‘special Judaism’ not the Semitic one but the Talmudic, supremacist, supernatural one that was at the heart of Roman creation.
The Masters aimed to destroy that schism by choosing not the Catholicism , which they created as a means of controlling their slaves, but to lay a greater claim over the Orthodox that refuted the papacy – now daily more revealed of its most ancient secret – as a Zionist plot going back Millenia.
Such are the dots of history that can’t be erased. I had to go through all my collected dots to double check that was what the paths led to! Because i could not believe it to be true. It was difficult to have to accept the evidence. But more emerged by study.
A wise Aussie Skipper tried to warn me about Obama too! I agreed to disagree at the time but he was right and now I won’t be able to tell him !
Some may worry that history is not moving fast enough before their few years in the World are over – but that’s just a side effect of centuries of slavery to the age old Ziofascism. Including the Holy Romans that formed the Eurocentric, mindset of imperialism
The Hollywood culture and instant gratification -plunder, piracy and rape – instead of the human rhythms that play out over generations.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 7 2024 8:29 utc | 295

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:14 utc | 144
The answer is very simple: YES, the Palestinian are the true victims of Israel the apartheid State, which in turn is a biggest claimer of victimhood status since the 60s of the past century. It’s simply really. The fact that a victimhood paradigm has replaced the honor paradigm in liberal ideology does not mean there are no true victims.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 7 2024 8:31 utc | 296

Peacemaker
@peacemaket71
♨️THE RUSSIAN ARMY BLOWN UP THE UKRAINIAN PORT OF CHERNOMORSK WITH FOREIGN INSTRUCTORS IN THE AIR..
The sea port of Chernomorsk was “taken apart” along with foreign guests.
The foreigners arrived a few hours before the attack.
The rockets destroyed
A port with dry cargo ships and a workshop with drones has been the target of a Russian attack over the past two days. Explosions were heard in the port of Chernomorsk in the Odesa region, and also in the Sumy region.
The reason for the attack
The Ukrainian Telegram channel “Resident” reported that the port of Chernomorsk was not chosen for the attack by chance. They say there is evidence that the Ukrainian facilities from which they launched the attacks on Sevastopol were on dry cargo ships. These cargo ships are based in the Black Sea. It is because of them, he reports, that the port has been “taken to pieces.” Attacks were directed not only at port facilities, but also at administrative buildings and hangars.
The “guests” have arrived
The Telegram channel of military commentator Sergei Lebedev clarified that the targets of the attacks were not just cargo ships. According to him, strong interest was directed at the new administrative building at the seaport. “Foreign military personnel are known to have been in the building. It’s hard to say from which country, they came literally a few hours before the attack… 18 soldiers were killed and about 30 others were injured”, reports Lebedev. On this occasion, mass checks of the Ukrainian security service were launched in the city and in the port. They are looking for those who missed the information about the arrival of guests. Later that night, there was an attack on the warehouses of heavy equipment and ammunition, which had arrived together with the foreign instructors.Source 24 news
https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1809487778821849220

Posted by: Menz | Jul 7 2024 8:38 utc | 297

/cheep
I think we could do better by remaining humble and remember “Them is Us, and We are Them”. Humans are multifaceted and quite variable individually, but in the aggregate there is much commonality. We all can easily succumb to temptations.
The power of Honor is in its Restraint. The danger of Honor is in its Pride. The power of Meekness is in its Humility. The danger of Meekness is in its eruption of Petty Vengeance. The power of Martyrdom is in its Sacrifice. The danger of Martyrdom is in its Self-Righteousness. And on, and on, and on…
Uniqueness is universal, Exceptionalism is its failure. Commonality is universal, Abstraction is its failure. The utility and fun in maxims is how it helps us take quick notes and boldly go forth. The challenge of conscientiousness is to hold complex and nuanced views of these big ideas. The moral is the ideal, the ethic is the applied, and life is very complex indeed.
I believe in you! ^.^
/flies away

Posted by: titmouse | Jul 7 2024 9:02 utc | 298

“The Tapes.
That’s how he ended up being forced to resign and not assassinated like his fellow patriot John.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 7 2024 8:29 utc | 296
I think you are right about that.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 9:10 utc | 299

“The power of Honor is in its Restraint. The danger of Honor is in its Pride. The power of Meekness is in its Humility. The danger of Meekness is in its eruption of Petty Vengeance. The power of Martyrdom is in its Sacrifice. The danger of Martyrdom is in its Self-Righteousness. And on, and on, and on…”
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 7 2024 9:02 utc | 299
Caw!…caw!…caw!
(That means enthusiatic approval in crow).

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 9:21 utc | 300