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July 6, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-159

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

Of interest:

In Ukraine, Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit (archived) – New York Times
A German medic said he was so troubled that he confronted his commander. Others boasted about killings in a group chat.

Caspar Grosse, a German medic in that unit, said he saw the soldier plead for medical attention in a mix of broken English and Russian. It was dusk. A team member looked for bandages.

That is when, Mr. Grosse said, a fellow soldier hobbled over and fired his weapon into the Russian soldier’s torso. He slumped, still breathing. Another soldier fired — “just shot him in the head,” Mr. Grosse recalled in an interview.

Mr. Grosse said he was so upset by the episode that he confronted his commander. He said he spoke to The New York Times after what he regarded as unwarranted killings continued.

In a second episode, a Chosen member lobbed a grenade at and killed a surrendering Russian soldier who had his hands raised, video footage reviewed by The Times shows.

In a third episode, Chosen members boasted in a group chat about killing Russian prisoners of war during a mission in October, text messages show. …

Comments

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 21:51 utc | 99
Bondsteel is Kosovo (actually Kosovo is the fig leaf for Bondsteel): human trafficking, organ trafficking, and drugs. Don’t know the name of the Georgian operation.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 22:06 utc | 101

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 21:45 utc | 96
Martyanov commented on the ‘build-up’ of AFU on Belarus border. It’s mostly posturing, but Belarus army contingents are ready and there is a RU division, and also a Chinese detachment.
Maybe the ‘AFU’ there is actually Polish and Baltlet troops. I don’t think AFU can afford to devote too much combat ready troops onto the Belarus border.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 22:07 utc | 102


“To recognise yourself in the solider who lays down his arms, to share your bread with him, is this not the beginning of one’s own salvation?”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 21:31 utc | 89
Great comment and insight here.

Posted by: eman | Jul 6 2024 22:08 utc | 103

The Americans – unwitting rubes as always – have set themselves up for some sweet payback. Haven’t they?
But why would anyone take the NYT literally now?
A wolf cloaked in the sheep’s clothing of a false moral dilemma, this piece was clearly intended for the consumption of those who would have liked to execute those Russian prisoners and to do so with glee. Failure and envy breeds just such acts of moral turpitude. Yet they did succeed in pushing your buttons. Didn’t they?
From this and all else that has transpired in recent memory, it’s all but certain that Reason and Enlightenment are no longer the guiding principles in the West. It is all they can do just to keep their heads above the sewer.
I’m licking my chops. How about you?

Posted by: OftenHere | Jul 6 2024 22:12 utc | 104

Orban has exposed all of them.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 6 2024 22:12 utc | 105

– Bondsteel? or something like that. A terrorist training ground. Don’t hear much about it now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 21:51 utc | 99

bondsteel is the one in occupied serbia, kosovo. the one in georgia is vaziani, but you are right, both are a terrorist training ground. like the one in al tanf, syria.
camp bondsteel is also infamous as it serves “allegedly” as a hub for drugtrafficking into the eu, among other “lovely” past time activities.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 22:13 utc | 107

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Jul 6 2024 21:03 utc | 79
Indeed, but it is warmed up Nietzsche, Genealogy of Morals.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 22:19 utc | 108

malenkov Justpassinby
Thanks. Likely the vaziani base I was thinking about. I remembered there was something about a base in Georgia and the left over Chechen terrorists were being trained there and sent to Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 22:24 utc | 109

I said at the start of the SMO that if China were to ever enter on the western front it would be through Belarus and through the SCO. Not happening soon, but it’s being readied. This event is under the radar but a serious message to NATO to get its head straight. Will we one day see a Chinese soldier plant the red banner on the ruins of NATO HQ in Brussels?
https://t.me/geopolitics_live/28131

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 6 2024 22:24 utc | 110

For some reason, William Gruff@73 talks as if using concepts from anthropology. Honor, also called shame, culture really is from anthropology. (It is old though, Ruth Bennedict’s Pattern of Culture.) But the standard opposite is guilt culture. There is no victim culture, that’s BS. Apparently there has been talk of a fear culture too, but I had never heard of it…and not even wikipedia can come up with a citation!
The only thing more remarkable than the claim status is determined by claims of victimization rather than expensive stylish clothing, rich jewelry, a muscle car, a retinue of flunkies, a big house in an exclusive neighborhood, an official title, the number of employees, title to property, etc. over and over…is someone taking this witless guff seriously.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 6 2024 22:32 utc | 111

The Russian Armed Forces, using Iskander, destroyed two Patriot installations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Odessa
Posted by: Nopir Pir | Jul 6 2024 21:39 utc | 91
Unimperator @ 87:
That’s significant news. Chernomorsk was founded originally as a satellite town of Odessa. This demonstrates that the Russians are well within striking distance of Odessa and the Transnistria region, and it may be a matter of when, not if, Odessa oblast and Transnistria become part of the Russian Federation.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 6 2024 21:42 utc | 94
Odessa is well within glide distance for FAB1500 from Crimea (or even smaller ones by the gulf)
And doing some attack runs should raise the patriots for Iskanders to take them out (and a nice dive after launching the FABs probably renders the run survivable, risky but worth it for the double prize)
I would say RF will NOT launch from Moldave, it would become a legitimate target and I doubt there are enough forces or logistics for holding it if things get rough.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 6 2024 22:41 utc | 112

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:25 utc | 27
While I’m pretty sure the “Bucha Massacre” (collective proper noun as used in the western MSM) was either staged or actually consisted of Ukrainian Azov forces rounding up “collaborators” and murdering them on the spot, there have actually been some well-reported alleged instances of Russian soldiers (unsure if they were the prisoners in the early days of the war) summarily killing captured or surrendering Ukrainian soldiers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12821095/Horrifying-moment-Russian-soldiers-execute-surrendering-Ukrainian-soldiers-close-range-emerge-trench-Kyiv-investigates-war-crimes.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/03/kyiv-investigates-allegations-russian-forces-shot-surrendering-ukrainian-soldiers-00129826
https://kyivindependent.com/pows/
The above are all very partisan and prone to exaggerations and lies. But supposedly Human Rights Watch documented and verified at least a couple of instances.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/02/ukraine-russian-forces-executed-surrendering-ukraine-soldiers

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 22:42 utc | 113

@PeterAU1 and malenkov:
I believe the Georgian mercenary training operation referred to was back in 2007/2008 in prep for their move on South Ossetia, which of course was put down by Russia.
https://www.ft.com/content/bdffd9a6-7b71-11dd-b839-000077b07658
There’s also the “Georgian Legion” which is, I guess, taking part in the current war. Video from ‘MyLordBebo’ at this link.
https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/06/15/577003.html
But they’re allegedly trained in Poland. And New Zealand (of all places, I believe).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 22:49 utc | 114

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 22:42 utc | 113
But seriously, Tom, you know that’s all bullshit, right? The Daily Mail? Politico?
Again, shit happens in war, but if you compare what Russia could have done to Ukraine and what it’s actually done, it’s seems clear they are approaching the problem as surgically as possible and with good reason.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 22:51 utc | 115

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 6 2024 22:32 utc | 111
‘The only thing more remarkable than the claim status is determined by claims of victimization rather than expensive stylish clothing, rich jewelry, a muscle car, a retinue of flunkies, a big house in an exclusive neighborhood, an official title, the number of employees, title to property, etc. over and over…is someone taking this witless guff seriously.’
The two are not mutually exclusive, in fact there are high profile cases where the former enabled the latter. I have also noticed that concepts like honour really rattle some people, normally provoking pseudo-academic rebuffs. I wonder why they try to denigrate and belittle the concept when it stems from their own culture, yet remain strangely silent, or engage in deflection when other cultures practice it.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 22:52 utc | 116

“To recognise yourself in the solider who lays down his arms, to share your bread with him, is this not the beginning of one’s own salvation?”
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 21:31 utc | 89
Excellent comment and I’d apply it to every stranger, not just an opposing soldier. There is no individual salvation for man, only collective. However, for those who reject this fact of life and continue to pose a real danger (not waiving the white flag), a military approach is required.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 22:56 utc | 117

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 22:42 utc | 113
Best to find where human rights watch get their information from.
There was an instance some time back, Martyanov wrote something about it. A Russian soldier was arrested for killing, I think seven civilians. This was also after wagner forces had been disbanded and absorbs into the regular military.
There was several of the ex crims who had put in their six months and obtained their pardon only to try and continue a criminal life. No doubt many would go straight on receiving a pardon, but I assume there was a reason most who joined wagner were facing 25 years to life in prison.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 22:58 utc | 118

The two are not mutually exclusive, in fact there are high profile cases where the former enabled the latter.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 22:52 utc | 116
Indeed. I would posit there would be no victim culture if people did not feel shame for their own high status. It is a strange world now.
But this is all OT, hence I have not expounded on “honor culture” and warrior culture.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 23:01 utc | 119

RUAF claims to have struck two Patriot PAC launchers and a Giraffe radar near Odessa, I think it was in Yuzhne. On top of the S-300 complex they hit in Poltava.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1809664526549438781

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 23:08 utc | 120

What you are referring to is called honor culture, and indeed it is quite alien to many in the West now. Many in western societies have “transitioned” to something called victim culture. To people who have embraced victim culture, the abstract notions that motivate people living by the principles of honor culture make no sense, and vice versa.
Whats the difference? It is about what earns one status in a society other than the typical material accoutrements. In honor culture, one’s honor is an intangible characteristic that must be nurtured and defended at all costs, even one’s life. In contrast, in victim culture, that intangible social status is apportioned according to one’s apparent victimization. The more victimization one can claim, the greater the intangible social status. The current biggies here are racism, sexism, and sexuality discrimination, but one can also earn victim points by being the adult child of an alcoholic, being obese victimized by a large discrepancy between calories consumed and burned, and things like that. This need for victimhood points to attain status in societies in which victim culture predominates is why you sometimes see straight, white men claiming “reverse discrimination”, and likewise why such claims are resoundingly rejected by other victim types. After all, if everyone is a victim in a society where status is allotted by victimhood, then what values has that status?
While many in the West have “transitioned”, don’t assume everyone has, or even wants to. When whole societies come to be dominated by victim culture, they become something quite ugly and lose their appeal to many looking in from the outside. Societies where honor is lacking or discouraged have big problems. China, for example, never embraced victim culture, and Russia rejected it after briefly experimenting with it. Western Ukraine “transitioned” hard, and fixates on their victimhood, even if it is just imaginary.
By the way, victim culture plays a big part in recruiting participants in color revolutions. For individuals who have squandered their honor, a society where they can achieve social status on the “merits” of their butthurt alone holds great attraction. Furthermore, it is easy artificially amplify butthurt in individuals who have no honor, thus building armies of committed “victims” for your color revolution. Most well-funded NGOs are nothing more than butthurt amplifiers and organizers: getting people to fixate on their butthurt and make it the principal characteristic of their being, and then telling them their butthurt is the evil government’s fault.
Basically, it is a mistake to assume honor culture is a bad thing.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6 2024 20:41 utc | 73
Excellent contribution, as usual. I frequently feel like a refugee from an ancient honor culture in the heart of a slovenly morass of victimhood. What’s so funny about honor, glory and heroism, I say?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 23:08 utc | 121

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 22:51 utc | 115
I’m not saying that I believe it all, but you note that shit happens in war and we know that the first casualty in any war is the truth. I also think that, with drone footage cited by HRW, there is at least some smoke where there’s fire.
Regardless, I did mention Bucha, which itself is a huge war crime if what I think happened, happened. And the Ukrainians and their merc buddies surely have fought a much dirtier war than Russia has. Par for the course, considering who armed, trained, inspired and funded the Ukros. Had Russia not acted when they did, back in February of 2022, I have no doubt that the people of Donbass and even some in Crimea, would have been attacked in a US-style “shock and awe” fashion.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:09 utc | 122

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 22:58 utc | 118
They cited multiple sources depending on which alleged incident they’re looking at. The only one to which I grant any credence is the drone footage of what appear to be surrendering AFU (or merc in AFU garb?) soldiers coming out of the trench. Of course, without all the necessary context, it’s not possible to conclude a war crime. I was only pointing out that there *have been* such allegations – true or not.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:13 utc | 123

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:09 utc | 122
Do you have a link to the drone footage?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 23:14 utc | 124

Regardless, I did mention Bucha, which itself is a huge war crime if what I think happened, happened. And the Ukrainians and their merc buddies surely have fought a much dirtier war than Russia has. Par for the course, considering who armed, trained, inspired and funded the Ukros. Had Russia not acted when they did, back in February of 2022, I have no doubt that the people of Donbass and even some in Crimea, would have been attacked in a US-style “shock and awe” fashion.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:09 utc | 122
Bucha is the most transparent fraud perpetrated by US imperialism. Right up there with Russia blowing up its own pipeline. After two years of pure lies of the MSM and all the “human rights” agencies of Imperialism, the rational approach is to disregard everything they have to say on the topic unless hard evidence is presented, not just smoke. I haven’t seen any hard evidence of Russian war crimes, although I accept there are likely isolated incidents when the struggle gets too hot, which is just an acknowledgement that war isn’t a ballet and there’s only so much any force can do to tame it.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 23:18 utc | 125

As for DNS eye of newt and tongue of dog are just as likely to produce a result. For most of us a link is open or it is not. Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 6 2024 21:14 utc | 81

This is worth working out. The DNS eye of newt is a single setting that points to an IP address. How you change it will be different between setups but, once you find it, all it is is a number like “123.45.67.89” that is the address of a device on the internet. The catch is that this DNS address is what your device is asking for the translation between text web addresses like “www.moonofalabama.org” and the actual IP number address.
This is being used to soft-censor the internet. For years now. If my explanation doesn’t make sense, look up someone else’s. It is not a complex concept beyond any working human brain.

Posted by: Rae | Jul 6 2024 23:20 utc | 126

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6 2024 20:41 utc | 73 and replies
Exactly. Victim culture is 100% precisely the predicate for almost any color revolution. Not the least of which being Ukraine, which has been subjected to decades of US/UK/Polish propaganda designed to convince them that they’re eternal victims of evil, big bad Russia. That was literally the entire basis for the protests and it explains the re-emergence and tactics of proto-Nazi groups like Azov perfectly.
Israel is built on long-term victim culture.
I’ll take it a step further. Every US military action in the past several decades has been a projection of victim culture out onto far away peoples. The US media builds the victim narrative (with “victims” being the poor downtrodden people in countries whose governments also pose threats to “US Interests” – which, by extension, makes Americans “victims” in these scenarios) to set the stage for a planned war of aggression; programming the masses to believe we’ve simply got no choice but another war to end our collective “victimhood.”
In every case above, the “victims” are therefore justified in using whatever means they see fit to end their victimhood. Rules, norms, conventions, and honor can all be suspended or abandoned when it’s a “victim” fighting a “victimizer.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:21 utc | 127

War crimes. Russia has a policy of encouraging Ukrainians to surrender. Killing thosae surrendering would ruin that policy and so it will be enforced through the military ranks.
Ukraine on the other hand has a policy of killing Ukrainians who try to surrender or don’t want to fight. They video this and post it to social media at times to discourage others from surrendering.
Many Russian accounts of Ukrainians killing their own as they try to surrender or retreat. I have seen one video of this posted by the Ukrainians, a small group walking across an open are with a white flag. The video is taken from behind the saurrendering group as they walk towards the Russian lines. A machine gun near the camera opens up and the group are hit and thrown forward away from the camera.
Another a short bit of video the Ukies posted as Russian killing a surrendered soldier. The Ukie soldier was standing in a shallow firing position. He says slava Ukraine in disgust and is cut down by automatic fire. Somebody says die bitch when the firing stops. The video first appeared on a Ukraine account and The term ‘bitcxh; is very commonly applied by the Ukrainians to everything and anything, yet rarely used buy Russians.
I believe a still of that was posted in western media as Russian making a prisoner stand in his oen grave then killing him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 23:30 utc | 128

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 23:18 utc | 125
I don’t disagree with any of that.
TBH, I find myself having to take weeks-long breaks from wading into the information propaganda cesspools of the NATO-Ukraine proxy war on Russia and the Israeli genocide in occupied Palestine.
Commenter, Rae, just above notes the “soft censorship” of the Internet from a more technical angle (to which I’d add “search engine optimization” (SEO) censorship), but the same can be said of what counts as “reportage” or “analysis” – including the alleged events we’re discussing here. It’s gotta be intentional; the constant bullshit with which they flood the zone. One of the main points is to make it as hard as possible to know the truth – kind of a manufactured fog of war, but specific to the “information space” or whatever you want to call it. Most readers of MoA are very adept at filtering the noise and garbage, viewing what we’re told through the lens of past Imperial lies (“fool me once shame on me, fool me twice can’t get fooled again”) and piecing together a somewhat accurate or likely scenario – with obvious help from fellow commentators and b’s regular dispatches.
The TL/DR version of the above is that if this shit makes someone like me exhausted and less likely to do the requisite digging and debunking of FUKUSNATOUkro lies and deceptions, then for the “average person” it’s probably dang near impossible.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:31 utc | 129

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 6 2024 12:51 utc | 333
>>>Some rhetorical questions<<< Some rhetorical answers! >>>1. Who/what is going to guarantee that Ukraine doesn’t just renege on any peace agreement terms the minute the ink is dry? Remember “non-agreement capable?”<<< A: Nonone, ie Russia herself. Russia doesn't want nor need any third party guarantors. They've got plenty of weapons to enforce any deals! >>> 2. Who/what is going to put Azov on trial for war crimes?<<< It's presently happening, personally, day by day. Every one they capture is going to jail for life. Plenty more to shoot or POW over the SMO. I'd say some will flee Ukraine at the moment of its surrender (possibly to later receive a visit from Mr Novochok). The remnant Bankovan political Azovs/nazis can be arrested by a new honest Kievan govt, as well as the AFU flushed clean, according to a new enforced constitution which Russia will demand. >>>.3 How is a new provisional government going to be formed that doesn’t include Zelensky?<<< There is just no way Ukrainians (or the US) will tolerate Zelensky after 404's defeat/surrender. >>>4. How will Ukrainian neutrality be guaranteed? Could Turkey or China be given veto power over any foreign policy acts or maybe take over all the Nuclear power plants ?<<< See #1. Under threat of SMO V2.0 >>>I think the answer to all of these are “it isn’t possible without complete surrender by the West.”<<< The West will never OPENLY surrender. They will just slink away (after editing Wiki to say "we won"), leaving Ukraine to be a toilet mess owned by robber-foreign interests. >>>And if these aren’t possible the war must continue until they do surrender.<<< Yep! It'll happen.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 6 2024 23:31 utc | 130

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:21 utc | 127
Are the Palestinians ‘victims’ as per your reasoning?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 6 2024 23:40 utc | 131

Honour, victim culture? Wokism. Its about turning males into steers, gelding, wethers ect.
XY XX, testosterone and estrogen. The woke culture, the rainbow flag and before that the SNAG, is about removing the testosterone.
So now in the west we see zero promotion of the family the hetrosexual testosterone/estrogen family and massive promotion of everything not that.
Todays western culture is like testosterone and estrogen are enemies and should not be together.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 23:49 utc | 132

Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺🇭🇺🇷🇺 Orban does not represent NATO in Moscow, but only his country – Stoltenberg
The hysteria around Orbans visit is kinda weird, what are they afraid of? Peace?
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1809199629218570737

Posted by: Menz | Jul 6 2024 23:51 utc | 133

“Whatever the sympathy we may have for the people of the United States,
their country is still the main predator of humanity.
We can in no circumstance claim to share their “values.””
7/31/2019, Manlio Dinucci…https://www.voltairenet.org/article207179.html

Posted by: susan mullen | Jul 6 2024 23:52 utc | 134

Are the Palestinians ‘victims’ as per your reasoning?
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 6 2024 23:40 utc | 131
It’s hard to tell, but your question smacks of some form of trolling. Before I answer your question, maybe you could try to articulate to me what you think my reasoning was re: the topic of victim culture or the culture of victimhood insofar as how it is deployed/employed by Empire.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:52 utc | 135

Menz | Jul 6 2024 23:51 utc | 133
With peace, the Nato entity ends and with that, the EU entity.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 23:53 utc | 136

The Ukrainians are scum…they also lead the world in kiddie porn and child trafficking…If it weren’t such a bad precedent, I would say nuke ’em…
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 6 2024 16:12 utc | 4
And the ones supporting them are even more scum. They are also trafficking organs, blood, etc.
Today I saw a video where a Russian prisoner – of course unarmed – was let running into a field and tracked and killed by a drone.
Orban was added to the myrovorets killing list.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 6 2024 23:56 utc | 137

The Palestinians? They are victims of western aggression and the Euro American colony. Are they waving the white flag? Are they calling on Hamas to surrender? They have honour.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 23:59 utc | 138

Here’s the Putin-Orban encounter’s primary documents, “Putin Meets Orban: European Mutiny Continues”. The revolutionary three words by Orban:
“Europe Needs Peace.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 6 2024 18:32 utc | 52
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Beneath all the EXPECTED diplomatic motherhood statements, it all just tacitly reiterates the intractable chasm between the sides. Hence my abiding suspicion that Orban’s visits were theatre to humiliate Kiev and US and EU. Afterall, nothing will change from it, and RF came out looking more peaceable and clear-headed than Kiev!

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 0:02 utc | 139

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 22:42 utc | 113
Just to add to that, most here remember what happened to Tex Bentley.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 0:07 utc | 140

Posted by: Menz | Jul 6 2024 23:51 utc | 133
Martyanov has said (more then once probably) the Eurocrats and Nato officials have tied their own careers or existence to Ukraine. They might even go behind bars when Ukraine and its narrative collapses. Similar with Netanyahu and Gaza war.
So they are using the puppet regime to continue war to save themselves.
MSM reporting of Ukraine has definitely hit rock bottom again, which basically means things are going bad/horribly. Which they are by following any objective reporting.
As far as Ukraine itself, most likely most of the population will melt away over the years, both to the west and east. And yes, I can easily see a scenario dreaded by Lindsey Graham recently, China investing in Donbass, Lugansk and the titanium and lithium reserves. Ukraine core state will become very weak at best. If they kick out Banderites and Nato, they will be stronger.
If Russia can get a neutral government (i.e. anything where Banderites are not in existence), they have won. Ukraine can act as a conduit connecting Eurasia to the Balkans which will wreck EU/Nato from within.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2024 0:09 utc | 141

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 23:59 utc | 138
I was allowing for Siddhartha to clarify and/or articulate their understanding of my use of “victim” and “victim culture” (in quotes, which of course in the context was intended as ‘false victim culture’). Even ‘pre-victimization’ such as in the case for how the US Empire has programmed Americans and others as a means to ‘sell’ too many wars to count over the past 50-60 years (and obviously prior to the World Wars). “If we don’t take out Saddam now, we’ll ALL be his “victims” eventually!” don’t ya know.
Zionist Israel is built on false victimhood and pre-victim culture; or the notion of eternal “victimization” – including at the hands of their actual victims (again, no scare quotes) the Palestinians.
Leaving the scare quotes aside, speaking from an objective and informed position, outside of the direct fray, clearly the Palestinians are the victims of decades of Western-Imperial enabled Zionist aggression, murder, theft and dehumanization.
Returning to the scare quotes, in reversing the reality of the situation, Israel has cast itself as the “victim” and so has the collective west. The “victims” of a brutal, “unprovoked” attack on October 7, which requires the preceding history to be completely ignored. Empire (inclusive of Israel) gets to define when history starts. Thus, any person or group that Empire has been victimizing for however long – as of this new date in time – can no longer be viewed as the victim. They are the perpetrators, of course.
To your view, I completely agree, and I think Siddhartha was conflating actual victimization with the fake-victim culture I was trying to address. Do the Palestinians see themselves as actual victims? I’m pretty sure they do. But in that scenario it’s accurate, and it doesn’t imply or necessitate that they take on an attitude of (helpless) victimhood – something I was not discussing at all in my original reply to Gruff et. al. Just because one is a victim (again, not a “victim”) doesn’t mean that they have to dwell on it in a manner that leads to lying down and continuing to be victimized.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 142

Indeed, but it is warmed up Nietzsche, Genealogy of Morals.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 22:19 utc | 108
What has that to do with Nietzsche?

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 143

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2024 23:52 utc | 135
I asked you a simple question. Your answer was disingenuous.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:14 utc | 144

Russia knows by now that any ‘peace deal’ is its opposite, just a ruse to buy time for resupply and reorganization. I say ignore, stick to the mission and wipe these fuckers off the map.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 21:49 utc | 98
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Agreed 100%. I’ve been saying for 2 years that ALL PEACE TALK by each side is nothing but theatre. Of course there are well-meaning (naive) third party peaceniks out there. But realistically, this is one war which MUST continue to a final attrition of the AFU *and the nazi Bankovans and the aspirations of their sponsors* — ie, unconditional surrender.
Putin stated as much today, in that, more than some phoney ceasefire, he wants “a final and permanent peace”. Peace talks are all just bandaid shit stuck over the root cause — ie, US military adventurism.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 0:18 utc | 145

If Russia can get a neutral government
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 7 2024 0:09 utc | 141
Medvedchuck is in the starting blocks. And the objectives of the SMO still stand: demilitarisation and denazification. It means de-nato-isation.
The azovites threaten to kill the penis piano player if he will start to negotiate. Btw I do not see what is to negotiate, for capitulation is not a negotiation.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 0:19 utc | 146

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 142 “Israel has cast itself as the “victim”
Yep. My comments some time back were that Israel rode the ‘Holocaust’ like a surfer riding a wave. Nazism was interested in the extermination of a number of groups not just jews. Slavic Russians in particular were mentioned in Mein Kampf. The holodomor was invented by the US in 1964, yet the famine in Ukraine was just a part of the Soviet famine.
Siddhartha is just a clown/troll or whatever. In simpler terms, a wanker.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:20 utc | 147

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 142
In my haste I forgot to add that Empire (and by extension Israel) not only gets to (continually) re-define when history begins in order to “justify” its coming actions, Empire also believes that it gets to define “victim” vs. “oppressor” for the same reasons, also perpetually, and with the freedom to switch “victim” with “oppressor” – casually and capriciously.
Actual victims of Empire can be cast as oppressors whenever it’s necessary, even if it requires reprogramming of the masses, turning on a dime, and a ton of mental gymnastics.
Re: Palestinians, Israel is absolutely the oppressor and always has been. Which is why it’s so necessary and important to invert the reality in the minds of westerners and Israelis themselves. This is a completely different subject from how Palestinians see themselves or choose to respond.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:26 utc | 148

I asked you a simple question. Your answer was disingenuous.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:14 utc | 144
As I suspected. You’re almost certainly trolling. But so that I know for suer, are you a proficient English speaker and reader? Fluent?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:27 utc | 149

Vlad is the owner of a stalled invasion that will be studied for centuries by military historians and strategists. Yet Zelensky is another story. He is not the leader of a superpower but a comedian. Unlike Putin, Zelensky is an attention whore, like most of us posting on MoA.
Zelensky has performed a slapstick comedy war review for the whole world. Like a clown, he danced merrily, cartwheeling, taunting the Russian bear for years. He must have thought NATO cared. When Russia invaded, Z. begged for a no-fly zone and was laughed at.
And like the circus clown poking at a bear, the Russian bear has now chased the performer Zelensky up a tree and is ripping at his bottom-side. Oh what a performance! Zelensky enjoys all this scurrying around, loitering like an unkept hobo with the elites of Europe, begging for handouts. Zelensky belongs in Hollywood.
It’s interesting that the laws of strategy and tactics are still working against the invader, Russia, despite the fact their foes are led by a consummate circus clown, Zelensky, and a mentally incapacitated US president … yet possibly, the enigma of fighting a dotard and a clown is exactly what is thwarting Putin:
“If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.”
Sun Tzu

Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 7 2024 0:30 utc | 150

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:20 utc | 147
Yesir. “The Holocaust Industry” is only the post-WWII version; the wave they’ve surfed for the past 70+ years. But the Zionists (Jewish and Christian alike) were laying the groundwork for their victim narrative and the creation of Zionist Israel for many years in the US and UK- Scofield Bible, Justices Frankenfurter and Brandeis of the US SCOTUS circa turn of the 20th century, etc.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:31 utc | 151

I guess everyone knows this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry
The main discourse is: we the democracies are victims of so called “non democratic” States. Problem: the so-called “democracies” are not democratic at all.
In France the support of the president is less than 14%.
In France the support for the party having collected the most votes is less than 23%.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 0:35 utc | 152

“Just because one is a victim (again, not a “victim”) doesn’t mean that they have to dwell on it in a manner that leads to lying down and continuing to be victimized.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 142
Very good point. I would only add that “victim” status is often used as an offensive weapon. That weapon works best against people of conscience who have been inculcated with guilt (or “guilt”). Nothing disengenuous in your post.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 0:36 utc | 153

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:20 utc | 147
An Ad hominem attack.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:41 utc | 154

LOL, there is someone who believes that the US president is ruling…
The last one who did was killed in 1963.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 0:42 utc | 155

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 6 2024 22:32 utc | 111 re William Gruff@73
For some reason, William Gruff@73 talks as if using concepts from anthropology. Honor, also called shame, culture really is from anthropology. (It is old though, Ruth Bennedict’s Pattern of Culture.) But the standard opposite is guilt culture. There is no victim culture, that’s BS. Apparently there has been talk of a fear culture too, but I had never heard of it…and not even wikipedia can come up with a citation!
The only thing more remarkable than the claim status is determined by claims of victimization rather than expensive stylish clothing, rich jewelry, a muscle car, a retinue of flunkies, a big house in an exclusive neighborhood, an official title, the number of employees, title to property, etc. over and over…is someone taking this witless guff seriously.
What crap you sprout Stven!!. William Gruff @73 made some very good observations, which so far as I know have some historical facts behind them. Sure culture (anthropology???) might be a convenient way to explain some behaviour in the aftermath of defeat or victory, but societal culture is the most significant. The New Zealand Maori warrior culture was very real (maybe still is) and gained the great respect of their British soldier opponents, and the honour culture of Japanese imperial troops during WW2 is well attested.
The Jews (Zionists) have definitely adopted a “universal victim culture” (oh poor misunderstood us) in order to justify their genocide of Palestinian people– an enterprise they began with the acquiescence of Britain in 1948, if not before-. How would you classify the behaviour of IDF soldiers in Gaza, the West bank and Jerusalem in their heroic(/s) struggle against the indigenous people of the lands they are presently trying to take possession of. Is it a manifestation of honour, guilt, victimhood, or simple basic greed based on some racist mythology. I favour the last one, but your own comments might be educational and enlightening.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 7 2024 0:49 utc | 156

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:27 utc | 149
‘As I suspected. You’re almost certainly trolling. But so that I know for suer, are you a proficient English speaker and reader? Fluent?’
You are revealing your inner prejudices Tom.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:50 utc | 157

“LOL, there is someone who believes that the US president is ruling…The last one who did was killed in 1963.”
Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 0:42 utc | 155
That’s only if you think LBJ was just a puppet-stooge and wasn’t a leading or willing player in the JFK and RFK assassinations, and that he didn’t, of his own volition, cover up Israel’s vicious attack on the USS Liberty. Maybe you are thinking that JFK was the last President who didn’t completely bend the knee to zionists.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 0:53 utc | 158

An Ad hominem attack.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:41 utc | 154
So you identify as a victim ?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:55 utc | 159

Zionist Israel is built on false victimhood and pre-victim culture; or the notion of eternal “victimization” – including at the hands of their actual victims (again, no scare quotes) the Palestinians.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 142

Ha, yeah. Does it not go back to Moses and the Exodus? (Oh Great Once Biblical Scholar 🙂 🙂 Yeah, theologically, Judaism really does have an inbuilt victimisation complex. As I see it, it is the very outcome of being a “humble servant” to some really punishment-driven Omnipotent Being! Then cross that with being the humble servant of a punishing Omnipotent Being who are reputed to be The Chosen Race and you’ve got one very fucked up tribe of people! (Hmmm, for some reason, their God chose them to be The Persecuted People). Lol. It is, in modern psychology, classic paranoid masochism. It sure reinforces their “you’d never understand what it’s like to eternally persecuted”. No, I wouldnt, thank fuck.
And PS, I fully understand your suspicion re @Siddhartha AND his wtf? reply to you! It’s really hard to write unambiguously when many posters may/may not be picking a fight or just writing ambiguously themself. Sigh. Cheers.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 0:59 utc | 160

“So you identify as a victim ?”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:55 utc | 159
Siddartha actually started the ad hominem by accusing Tom of being disingenuous (same thing as calling him a liar, but using a bigger word).

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:01 utc | 161

Siddhartha actually started the ad hominem by accusing Tom of being disingenuous (same thing as calling him a liar, but using a bigger word).
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:01 utc | 161
The Siddartha clown has been around for awhile. Long enough to know what he/she is. A snake in the grass.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:06 utc | 162

An Ad hominem attack.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:41 utc | 154
Oooo noooo. Not an ad hominem attack on MoA. Heavens! What will people stoop to next!

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 1:08 utc | 163

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:55 utc | 159
You’re clutching at straws Peter.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:10 utc | 164

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 22:07 utc | 102
Ukraine routinely posts units newly trained from out the Western Ukrainian training grounds and abroad on the Belarus boarder. From there they are rotated into the front facing the Russians. A number of sources say that Ukrainie has raised a couple of new brigades but they aren’t well armed yet. Likely these new units are parked on the Belarus border for now.
If Ukraine has actually raised a number of new units and is short of weapons at the moment then there could a pile up of newly raised, somewhat trained and under armed units there.

Posted by: Ed4 | Jul 7 2024 1:12 utc | 165

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:27 utc | 149
The trolls certainly know to pick on you. You must be doing something right.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 7 2024 1:13 utc | 166

And this is surprising because?
Amerikastanis have *always* murdered PoWs. Why do you think hardly any Japanese PoWs were taken by the Amerikastanis in WWII while the Soviets captured drives with almost no effort at all?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jul 7 2024 1:14 utc | 167

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 1:08 utc | 163
Making Ad hominem attacks is the lowest you can stoop to. By the way, my question still hasn’t been answered.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 168

Had a cat once – or more accurately, the wife and kids come home with a cat one day. He grew up up like that cat Horse in Murray Ball’s Footrot Flats. We would pull our boots/shoes off and leave them just inside the front door. That bloody cat, he was a good mouser but liked playing with them. Of all the shoes and boots at the front door, he would drop them in my boots then play around trying to fish them out. Many times I went to put my boots on and there was a mouse in them. One time we woke up and the cat was sitting on the end of the bed contentedly eating a rabbit, guts spread across the quilt.
I guess I’m getting bored. Watching this tectonic shift of power from the west to the east is slower than watching the grass grow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 169

“Oooo noooo. Not an ad hominem attack on MoA. Heavens! What will people stoop to next!”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 1:08 utc | 163
Ha. This IS supposed to be a “bar” after all. People drink and they start shit-talking, especially after the first 150 posts. By closing time, some guy or gal throws another guy or gal out the front window and curb-stomps him or her.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 170

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 0:36 utc | 153
Thanks. And not to beat a dead horse, put too fine a point on it, or mix metaphors – there is a difference between being the objective victim in a situation, as are the Palestinians, and adopting a “victim mentality” – which they haven’t.
Unless Siddhartha is a Zionist, then I don’t know how much clearer they want me to be. Projecting my own prejudices? How about just curious how well you comprehend written English on your screen?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 1:18 utc | 171

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 170
Not in this bar.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:18 utc | 172

Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:18 utc | 172
I see Hindutva India fully supports the genocide of the Palistinians.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:21 utc | 173

Nazisn, Zionism and Hindutva all aligned.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:25 utc | 174

“the honour culture of Japanese imperial troops during WW2 is well attested.”
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 7 2024 0:49 utc | 156
During ww2.
After ww2, they lost all honour that could remain. And they were terrorised by the Red Army more than by the atom bombs.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 1:26 utc | 175

@Siddhartha
victim (n.)
late 15c., “living creature killed and offered as a sacrifice to a deity or supernatural power, or in the performance of a religious rite;” from Latin victima “sacrificial animal; person or animal killed as a sacrifice,” a word of uncertain origin. Perhaps related to vicis “turn, occasion” (as in vicarious), if the notion is an “exchange” with the gods.
So yes, the Palestinians are true victims. It is beyond genocide, and that should be obvious to readers here.
If you have to puke, I understand.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 7 2024 1:27 utc | 176

A snake in the grass.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:06 utc | 162
Please, do not smear the snakes.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 1:28 utc | 177

Maybe you are thinking that JFK was the last President who didn’t completely bend the knee to zionists.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 0:53 utc | 158
Maybe. LBJ? A criminal of course, a serial killer (cf. Billy Sol Estes). Hoover and the cia had him by the balls.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 1:32 utc | 178

Wisco #170
Lololol. Love it! Best friendly jibe of the day/night. I don’t think it’s worth it though, reiterating (to Siddartha) just how purposeful I consider ad hominems. 🙂

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 1:33 utc | 179

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 1:18 utc | 171
I comprehend written English very well Tom. Well enough to understand your insidious comments.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:36 utc | 180

Please, do not smear the snakes.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 1:28 utc | 177
You could be right. I carried one on my shoulder once. Putting up a fence across the Paroo. I was using good netting from the old fence to use as flood drops in the channels.
I had dropped the old netting fence at the start so when I cut out good sections and rolled them up there was tussocks of grass growing through them.
One day I cut and rolled a section, threw it on my shoulder, walked back to my vehicle and threw it over the new fence. At that time the owner of the place came along so we were talking when a snake, an adder thing wriggles out of the roll of wire. Only one I’ve ever seen. Very thick short body, large head. I would have been history if it bit me on the neck. 160k to town from there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:38 utc | 181

There is apparently some intersectionality of “victims” (western ones) and the real victims who still respect honor (Palestinians). The group “Queers for Palestine” comes immediately to mind. I wish them the best, but I think their support is “victim” based. Also maybe just a psyop.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:39 utc | 182

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Zionist Israel is built on false victimhood and pre-victim culture; or the notion of eternal “victimization” – including at the hands of their actual victims (again, no scare quotes) the Palestinians.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:12 utc | 142
The first and most successful idpol in history. Pretty much the template for all western idpol varieties, almost like branches on a tree. Funny that.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2024 1:43 utc | 183

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 7 2024 1:27 utc | 176
The Palestinians are indeed true victims.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:50 utc | 184

@ Tom_Q_Collins 127
Israel is built on long-term victim culture.
[snip]
In every case above, the “victims” are therefore justified in using whatever means they see fit to end their victimhood. Rules, norms, conventions, and honor can all be suspended or abandoned when it’s a “victim” fighting a “victimizer.”
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The comments have been thought provoking. Thank you. I had previously been aware of the shame aspect associated with “honor” societies. However, a more simple approach may be to look at this topic through the lens of agency.
“Honor culture” – individuals have presumed agency and personal responsibility.
“Victim culture” – individuals have a presumed lack of agency and no personal responsibility.
The victim culture participant may be embracing a thematic “meaning” or “narrative” that is some variation on child / parent. So maybe the “honor culture” referred to can be seen as lax shorthand for a perspective of a culture of adults with agency.
@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | 132
XY XX, testosterone and estrogen. The woke culture, the rainbow flag and before that the SNAG, is about removing the testosterone.
__________________
I propose a new equation; not MAGA but MEGA. MEGA = Make Enuchs Great Again. The greatest man being the one who has neutered himself.
It may be that drive-through neutering a spaying services will become popular.
Also, I teach a survival course. For example, if you are lost in the wild and all you have is is an iPhone, how to perform a gender transition surgery.

Posted by: NotABot3000 | Jul 7 2024 1:50 utc | 185

Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 168
Ok mate. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for sincerely not understanding TQC’s original post re victim mentality, seeing as how I detect your NESB and a cultural bias against non-abusive “bars” and my Aussie sarcasm.
To answer your question to Tom is not for me to do. But the nuances of the difference between REAL VICTIMS, pseudo victims, chronic victimhood, the victimhood industry, sneaky victim transference from actual perpetrators, religious persecution syndromes, etc etc, are all interrelated, conflicting, and worldview-variable. Does that help? There’s not just one dimension to it, which I think is what confused you. To understand any victim mindset it is necessary to delve deep historically, a bit OT for these threads. Om.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 1:52 utc | 186

“LOL, there is someone who believes that the US president is ruling…The last one who did was killed in 1963.”
Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2024 0:42 utc | 155
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Joe Biden just announced he is “running the world.” on his Friday make or break interview with CBS.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/06/biden-im-running-the-world/

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 1:53 utc | 187

It may be that drive-through neutering a spaying services will become popular.
Also, I teach a survival course. For example, if you are lost in the wild and all you have is is an iPhone, how to perform a gender transition surgery.
Posted by: NotABot3000 | Jul 7 2024 1:50 utc | 185
……..
🙂

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:53 utc | 188

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:38 utc | 181
I still have a 1.5 m rattlesnake skin from the biggest snake among many we killed in spring in Montana (late 1980s) when the mofos started coming out of their wintering dens in an area we were actively working. I gave the big rattle from that snake to a friend.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:58 utc | 189

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 1:36 utc | 180
Insidious lol.
And what’s meant by “true victims”, then?
Stop being coy. Spit it out, already.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 2:06 utc | 190

Wisco | Jul 7 2024 1:58 utc | 189
From what I understand that would be a heavy snake. I’m not sure but they may be from the same group as the adders. Adders/vipers? are they the same thing. We got a lot around that length in poisonous snakes but I think they’re more slender. I’d offrail the thread telling snake stories like the one under the fridge I blasted with the 410 or the one crossing from the patio ceiling to the ceiling of the house. That was a big one. A brown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 2:07 utc | 191

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 0:20 utc | 147
Yesir. “The Holocaust Industry” is only the post-WWII version; the wave they’ve surfed for the past 70+ years. But the Zionists (Jewish and Christian alike) were laying the groundwork for their victim narrative and the creation of Zionist Israel for many years in the US and UK- Scofield Bible, Justices Frankenfurter and Brandeis of the US SCOTUS circa turn of the 20th century, etc.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:31 utc | 151
I fully concur. Thank you gentlemen.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 7 2024 2:07 utc | 192

In response to

I guess I’m getting bored. Watching this tectonic shift of power from the west to the east is slower than watching the grass grow.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 169

I agree. It is not just the impediment of full right shoulder replacement 7 weeks ago but the firehose of Hollywood kabuki covering everything but the important shit that keeps me from commenting more……we have said it here for over a decade now, correct?
Hell of a way to change the form of social organization at the core of our social contract when we are born……global private finance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 7 2024 2:08 utc | 193

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2024 0:27 utc | 149
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‘As I suspected. You’re almost certainly trolling. But so that I know for sure, are you a proficient English speaker and reader? Fluent?’ You are revealing your inner prejudices, Tom.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 7 2024 0:50 utc | 157
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Buddha, you are way out of line. I do not always agree with Tom Q Collins, but he has been commenter long before I showed up at MoA right after the Russian SMO in Ukraine. I can say for a fact that Tom is not a troll, you on the other hand I am not so sure of.
You seem to be a shit stirrer, and you are giving Budda a bad name.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 7 2024 2:11 utc | 194

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 7 2024 1:33 utc | 179
No broken windows or curb-stomping here, but I really like this scene from Tombstone. A bar.
https://youtu.be/j5YlT_K3wYI

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 2:14 utc | 195

Believe it or not: Biden says if he’s running the world, then he doesn’t need to undergo neurological exams!
https://www.rt.com/news/600561-joe-biden-running-world/

Posted by: Elbet | Jul 7 2024 2:18 utc | 196

“From what I understand that would be a heavy snake. I’m not sure but they may be from the same group as the adders. Adders/vipers?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 2:07 utc | 191
Vipers. Yeah, a heavy and fat snake it was. Slow-moving in spring when they are just coming out of their dens on warm days in spring.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 7 2024 2:30 utc | 197

Wisco | Jul 7 2024 2:14 utc | 195
That is why rural America, rural Australia and I think rural Canada (minus the nazi population) have a lot in common with Russia.
Here the north has quietened down a bit but it was pretty will when I worked across the north as a kid in 1978.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 7 2024 2:30 utc | 198

I didn’t think it would need to be clarified, but being a victim and wearing one’s perceived victimhood on one’s sleeve as a status symbol are two different things. One can be victimized, yet retain one’s honor. For example, Hamas has been victimized, but they don’t define themselves by it. Rather, they define themselves by their honorable actions. This is a big part of why the zionists have failed to subjugate them.
Hope that helps to understand the difference between honor culture and victim culture.

Posted by: Willia | Jul 7 2024 2:42 utc | 199

Bucha is the most transparent fraud perpetrated by US imperialism. Right up there with Russia blowing up its own pipeline. After two years of pure lies of the MSM and all the “human rights” agencies of Imperialism, the rational approach is to disregard everything they have to say on the topic unless hard evidence is presented, not just smoke. I haven’t seen any hard evidence of Russian war crimes, although I accept there are likely isolated incidents when the struggle gets too hot, which is just an acknowledgement that war isn’t a ballet and there’s only so much any force can do to tame it.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 23:18 utc | 125
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My sentiments exactly. I thought that the meme of Russian massacres of civilians had completely died out.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 7 2024 2:44 utc | 200