Ukraine Open Thread 2024-159
News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...
Of interest:
In Ukraine, Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit (archived) - New York Times
A German medic said he was so troubled that he confronted his commander. Others boasted about killings in a group chat.
Caspar Grosse, a German medic in that unit, said he saw the soldier plead for medical attention in a mix of broken English and Russian. It was dusk. A team member looked for bandages.That is when, Mr. Grosse said, a fellow soldier hobbled over and fired his weapon into the Russian soldier’s torso. He slumped, still breathing. Another soldier fired — “just shot him in the head,” Mr. Grosse recalled in an interview.
Mr. Grosse said he was so upset by the episode that he confronted his commander. He said he spoke to The New York Times after what he regarded as unwarranted killings continued.
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In a second episode, a Chosen member lobbed a grenade at and killed a surrendering Russian soldier who had his hands raised, video footage reviewed by The Times shows.
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In a third episode, Chosen members boasted in a group chat about killing Russian prisoners of war during a mission in October, text messages show. ...
Posted by b on July 6, 2024 at 15:43 UTC | Permalink
next page »The Russians should know by now not to surrender. This is the price of war after all ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 6 2024 16:02 utc | 2
quotes from your archived link b - thanks, depressing as it is to read..
“Failure to investigate is more troubling than the incident itself,” Ms. VanLandingham said. “Lack of accountability starts with lack of investigation.” Ukraine’s 59th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade better watch out here forward...
and this quote
“Reports of human rights violations within the military have become a toxic issue for the Ukrainian government and highlighted the issue,” the Wilson Center, a Washington-based research organization, wrote in February."
no shit.. the rot is from the top to the bottom.. for anyone who wonders why the term 'nazi' is used towards ukraine, i recommend you read this archived link that b has shared..
Posted by: james | Jul 6 2024 16:11 utc | 3
The Ukrainians are scum...they also lead the world in kiddie porn and child trafficking...If it weren't such a bad precedent, I would say nuke 'em...
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 6 2024 16:12 utc | 4
No surprise, US allies itself only with the worst scums and falsly accuses the righteous people of the worst atrocities.
When Empire of lies will loose WW3 hybrid or hot, history will be rewritten.
Posted by: Lubomir | Jul 6 2024 16:19 utc | 5
The US always supports the most evil side in any conflict. They prefer genocidal extremists. Always.
Posted by: Antiwar7 | Jul 6 2024 16:25 utc | 6
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 6 2024 16:12 utc | 4
The "Ukrainians" you refer to are an extension of their Anglo-American masters. They are a bane for the mass of the Ukrainian citizenry as well. Do you really believe that the population enjoys the social degradation it has been subjected to?
There is a reason that so many folks left the country with no intention to return. The sociopathic behaviour exhibited by the Maidanist regime and its votaries is a product of those who created this monstrosity.
Posted by: Constantine | Jul 6 2024 16:36 utc | 7
The US always supports the most evil side in any conflict. They prefer genocidal extremists. Always.
Posted by: Antiwar7 | Jul 6 2024 16:25 utc | 6
The US and the British regime as well. Syria has been a perfect example of the point you made.
Posted by: Constantine | Jul 6 2024 16:38 utc | 8
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from June 29 to July 5, 2024)
From June 29 to July 5, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 23 group strikes with precision weapons and strike unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which they hit: enemy airfields, energy facilities that provided the work of enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine; fuel storages for military equipment, assembly shops for attack UAVs and unmanned boats, as well as storage and training facilities to the combat use of missile weapons.
During the week, units of the North group of forces improved the situation along the front line and defeated the manpower and equipment of three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a brigade of marines and two brigades of the enemy's air defense. In addition, they repelled five counterattacks by assault groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Enemy losses during this period amounted to 1,595 military personnel, four tanks, three armored combat vehicles, 30 vehicles, three electronic warfare stations, as well as 31 field artillery guns, including twelve large-caliber howitzers of various modifications.
Units of the Zapad group of forces, as a result of successful actions, liberated the settlement of Stepovaya Novoselovka in the Kharkiv region, improved the tactical situation and defeated the formations of three mechanized, assault and airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as two air defense brigades. 11 counterattacks by enemy assault groups were repelled.
In a week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost up to 3,580 servicemen, a tank, seven armored combat vehicles, 29 vehicles, four combat vehicles of the Grad multiple launch rocket system, 27 field artillery guns, including ten of Western production. In addition, 20 field ammunition depots were destroyed.
The units of the "Southern" group of troops actively liberated the settlement of Disputable and the Novy district of the city of Chas Yar of the Donetsk People's Republic. They defeated the manpower and equipment of two mechanized and two airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We repelled 18 counterattacks by enemy assault groups.
The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 3,845 servicemen, four tanks, 19 armored combat vehicles, including three M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured by the United States, 65 vehicles, 53 field artillery guns. In addition, eight electronic warfare stations and 35 field ammunition depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.
As a result of successful actions, units of the Center group of troops liberated the settlements of Shumy, Novoaleksandrovka and Novopokrovskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic. The formations of three mechanized and two infantry formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as two air defense brigades, were defeated. 38 enemy counterattacks were repelled during the week.
The losses of the Armed Forces in this area amounted to up to 2,970 military personnel, five tanks, 12 armored combat vehicles, including two Bradley infantry fighting vehicles manufactured by the United States, 30 vehicles and 32 field artillery guns.
The units of the Vostok group of forces improved the tactical situation and defeated the manpower and equipment of two brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two formations of the defense forces and a brigade of the National Guard. During the week, 11 counterattacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were repelled.
The enemy lost up to 900 troops, four armored combat vehicles, 43 vehicles, 22 field artillery guns, of which 14 were supplied by NATO countries.
The units of the Dnepr group of troops defeated the formations of the mountain assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and four air defense brigades.
The enemy's losses during the week amounted to 635 soldiers, an armored combat vehicle, 36 vehicles, 24 field artillery guns, including 13 M777 howitzers. In addition, seven electronic warfare stations and three field ammunition depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.
Air defense means shot down in a week: two MiG-29 and one Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, five ATACMS tactical missiles, five long-range guided missiles "Neptune-MD", 14 cruise missiles "Storm Shadow", seven guided bombs "Hammer", The HARM anti-radar missile, 42 HIMARS rockets and Vampires of Czech production, as well as 451 unmanned aerial vehicles.
In addition, five Su-27 aircraft and a Mi-24 helicopter were destroyed at home airfields, as well as two Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force were damaged. The forces of the Black Sea Fleet destroyed three unmanned boats of the Ukrainian Navy in a week.
During the week, 32 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.
Posted by: rumod report | Jul 6 2024 16:40 utc | 9
The Russians should know by now not to surrender. This is the price of war after all ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 6 2024 16:02 utc | 2
Precisely. It should be perceived as a veritable death sentence, often including a good deal of sadistic torture. But hope springs eternal.
Recently, there was a video of a wounded Russian soldier requesting from a comrade to finish him off so that he would not fall in the hands of the Ukro-Nazis.
Posted by: Constantine | Jul 6 2024 16:41 utc | 10
It looks like Ukraine is finally surrendering
Zelensky invites Russia to peace talks without demanding territory back
But too soon to tell. The clown may be persuaded to renege.
If this conflict ends without escalation to world war 3 with the neocons conceding defeat to Russia, TO RUSSIA, color me surprised
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jul 6 2024 16:42 utc | 11
Since the US and its vassals have decided to eliminate any sort of international law we shouldn't be surprised at the brutality of the Empire who condones every sort of breaking of what was once international law (such a system no longer exists) including genocide in favor of a "rules-based order" which means whatever Washington does or condones by its vassals to do is ok but those who are outside the Empire no longer count as anything other than vermin. This was pretty much the Nazi approach. We in the US have become what we once fought.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 6 2024 16:47 utc | 12
Ukraine is the inbred child of empire America's satanic 'elite'. Bred and nurtured to facilitate the profound wickedness being revealed by having its mask ripped off.
Posted by: Robert Hope | Jul 6 2024 16:48 utc | 13
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jul 6 2024 16:12 utc | 4
No need for this. Ukrainian society is being fixed as we speak.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jul 6 2024 16:51 utc | 14
@7 @Constantine
That's correct - many Ukrainian families have Russian relatives, and vice-versa, as mine does. My brother-in-law is Ukrainian, although he has lived in Russia most of his adult life and is safe from the Zelensky regime, and my mother-in-law's mother was Ukrainian. Before the setup of the Mirotvorets website, which lists citizens the Ukrainian official authorities have no objection to discovering have been killed by other citizens, there were frequent instances of ordinary Ukrainians speaking out against the way circumstances were being handled by the government. Odessa, and the burning alive of demonstrators in the Trades-Union Building, was the turning point, and official hatred has held sway since then, but pretty much all the people capable of leaving have left, and those who must remain know enough to keep their mouth shut.
Take a look at the trends in population in Ukraine, or at least as damaging as the State Statistics of Ukraine will admit to. The population of Ukraine was larger in 1960 than it was in 2021, and it has slid precipitously since.
https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/population
The big drop in 2014 represents the secession of Crimea, but it has not improved in any way; if you read the associated statistics, the number of employed continues to decline as unemployment grows and interest rates rise - the possibility of paying off even a tenth of accumulated debt cannot be entertained, and the state has become a time bomb.
Nobody in his right mind would support such self-immolation. But those who remain are those who cannot get out.
The Russians should know by now not to surrender. This is the price of war after all ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 6 2024 16:02 utc | 2
Well, I'd strongly advise Ukies to surrender to the Russians. War can be conducted in accordance with basic principles of human rights. Russia clearly attempted to do so, often to its own disadvantage. I imagine the Chinese would proceed in the same scrupulous manner.
However, anybody considering surrender to the violent, perverted Ukies or Israelis definitely should know better. I'd shoot myself before being preyed on by these sickos.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:01 utc | 16
The "Ukrainians" you refer to are an extension of their Anglo-American masters. They are a bane for the mass of the Ukrainian citizenry as well. Do you really believe that the population enjoys the social degradation it has been subjected to?
There is a reason that so many folks left the country with no intention to return. The sociopathic behaviour exhibited by the Maidanist regime and its votaries is a product of those who created this monstrosity.
Posted by: Constantine | Jul 6 2024 16:36 utc | 7
Excellent point that should be repeated more often.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:04 utc | 17
Ukraine Weekly Update, 5th July 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-fc0
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 6 2024 17:05 utc | 18
Obviously both sides are committing war crimes. This is Vietnam.
Sadly, Putin’s use of Chechen mercenaries and armies of violent felons, isn’t a recipe for stamping out atrocities either. Let’s not forget, Prigozhin began committing war crimes against Russian forces once his convict army took Bakhmut.
POWs on both sides should be treated with respect, since this is one civilization fighting a civil war. The only one that gains from this cycle of mutual hatred is the United States.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 17:12 utc | 19
an attempt to mollify Ukraine, NATO is considering labelling the path to NATO membership as an “irreversible” path. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg It has used that language, promising that “[t]he work we are undertaking now puts you on an irreversible path towards NATO membership so that when the time is right, Ukraine can become a NATO member straightaway.” But Ukraine might not even get that. The U.S. and Germany have reportedly stymied even that concession, favoring replacing “irreversible path” with “well-lit bridge.”
No stopping the stupidity or the carnage.
This will escalate to a much deadlier level.
Posted by: jpc | Jul 6 2024 17:14 utc | 20
I recently saw a video on X of Ukrainian troops using kamikaze drones to rip off the legs and blow off the head of a dying Russian soldier. I don't know if the poster is a Ukrainian soldier or his supporters, but I have no doubt that he is a morally bankrupt sociopath.
Posted by: CIROC | Jul 6 2024 17:17 utc | 21
Here’s an 20min video (in English, except for the first couple seconds) by a Swiss journalist interviewing Orban, he was traveling with him to Kiev & Moscow:
There’s quite some interesting stuff in there and Orban promises some surprises on Monday…
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Jul 6 2024 17:18 utc | 22
@11 @FieryButMostPeaceful
The Terrycloth Tyrant has not modified his position in any way except to allow for the possibility of some as-yet-unnamed Russian or Russians to attend a future as-yet-unscheduled 'peace-summit', where he clearly expects them to be browbeaten by the Rest Of The World into accepting 'peace' on Ukraine's terms.
Want to read something funny, in the most tragic sense imaginable? Here's Acting Ambassador of the United Kingdom to Ukraine Deirdre Brown's accusation that Russia is 'systematically trying to eradicate the Ukrainian identity in areas of Ukraine under its control.
I'm afraid I lack the imagination to think of something more brazen than that, considering it was the direct intervention of the official UK in the person of Boris Johnson which scuppered the peace agreement the Ukrainian representative had already initialed. Since then there have been hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian deaths and the constant weakening of the Ukrainian position - hard not to draw a direct connection between the two, innit? Nearly two years ago respected UN researchers carried out a study which concluded the Ukrainian ethnicity would never recover from the blow dealt it by the subtraction of so many young potential fathers from the population, ground up by the war machine.
https://www.intellinews.com/un-projects-ukraine-s-population-will-never-recover-from-war-254300/
I realize it is Russians killing Ukrainians, but this war will end only with the surrender of one or the other. Russia will never surrender just out of pity for its opponent, and it is prevailing militarily - there is no other reason for its surrender. The twitching corpse of Ukraine is being held on its feet by the sheer directed malice of NATO, and especially the UK and USA, and it is not permitted to surrender no matter how strongly realities argue for it.
for those that are hitting a paywall when attempting to view the NYT article, use this">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/world/europe/ukraine-surrendering-russians-killed.html">this link.
As an American, this sickens me. America has NO moral high ground to claim Russia is committing war crimes.
I believe Trump will put an end to this war with Putin's help, despite Helensky and NATO and Azov Battalion.
Posted by: polyhedral | Jul 6 2024 17:20 utc | 24
apologies for the mangled link above
for those that are hitting a paywall when attempting to view the NYT article, use this link.
As an American, this sickens me. America has NO moral high ground to claim Russia is committing war crimes.
I believe Trump will put an end to this war with Putin's help, despite Helensky and NATO and Azov Battalion.
Posted by: polyhedral | Jul 6 2024 17:23 utc | 25
Killing civilians, prisoners of war and making false flags is the only thing Nato knows how to do.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 17:25 utc | 26
Obviously both sides are committing war crimes.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 17:12 utc | 19
Not sure that's so obvious. Can you specify an actual war crime Russia has committed? I'm not naive, it's war and things happen in the heat of struggle, but I'm not convinced that the Russians are conducting their forces like that. In fact, there's much to suggest that they are deliberately avoiding such excesses as they see Ukraine as a brother culture/nation led astray and they are painfully aware that they will eventually have to manage a large portion of Ukrainian territory in the near future. They have a strong incentive to be cautious in their approach.
And Vietnam is a very poor analogy.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:25 utc | 27
please do not judge all Americans by the inability of this 'merican to create hyperlinks LOL
https://web.archive.org/web/20240706160311/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/world/europe/ukraine-surrendering-russians-killed.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/world/europe/ukraine-surrendering-russians-killed.html">https://web.archive.org/web/20240706160311/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/world/europe/ukraine-surrendering-russians-killed.html
Posted by: polyhedral | Jul 6 2024 17:29 utc | 29
I'd shoot myself before being preyed on by these sickos.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:01 utc | 16
But, most likely, not. Especially if wounded. Most likely, you would do the human thing and chance surrender over death, as the vast, vast majority of humans do.
There was a time, in some cultures where "warrior" was tightly bound with "ego", and men would commit suicide or choose death over shame of capture, but those times are long gone, as for most men in war, it is a period of time they wish to survive, not a way of life.
You hear macho statements often from criminals saying the same, "I'd rather die than go back to prison", yet, when the guns are drawn, and the police demand getting on the ground with hands behind their back, the vast majority surrender. Only the those who were truly suicidal in the first place go down in gun blaze.
I wish to point this out only to illustrate the vast difference between words, imagination, and reality when it comes to death.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 17:33 utc | 30
This is not new. What is new is that NYT finds it "fit to print" now. As to the reason why now(?), there are plenty of inferences that can be drawn. But of course we don't have all the facts. Most are hidden.
Posted by: Dogtired | Jul 6 2024 17:35 utc | 31
cruelty and stupidity is their loss, to their own soul and to their battle. Russia is getting new soldiers from some of those surrendering. I imagine it is harder to treat the hard core AZOV with compassion.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jul 6 2024 17:35 utc | 32
There are still plenty of brainwashed Ukies that are on the gov. payroll or have paid off the " draft nazis". It ll take years to re educate them, once this is over. Some of my wife s family and other friends that we are close to, say the same thing. You can t get thru to most of the programing or brainwashing very easy.
Posted by: GMC | Jul 6 2024 17:36 utc | 33
1)Obviously both sides are committing war crimes.
2) This is Vietnam.
3) Sadly, Putin’s use of Chechen mercenaries and armies of violent felons, isn’t a recipe for stamping out atrocities either.
4) Let’s not forget, Prigozhin began committing war crimes against Russian forces once his convict army took Bakhmut.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 17:12 utc | 19
1) true. 2) not even remotely similar to "Vietnam" 3) true 4) whatever you say, dude.
Last: true.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 17:37 utc | 34
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 17:12 utc | 19
Ultimately a self-defeating tactic, soldiers who would surrender will keep on fighting, costing the abusers more blood and treasure.
Posted by: CIROC | Jul 6 2024 17:17 utc | 21
War is a game of numbers, expressions of morality are only enshrined in moral codes when their execution increases the effectiveness of the organisation that holds them. Chivalry, for example, was adopted to prevent unnecessary deaths amongst the elite, in which huge sums had been invested. Encouraging surrenders escalated hugely when firearms became widely available, with garrisons often disarmed to prevent unnecessary friendly casualties. It was also useful in quelling any moral unease that arose amongst the citizen soldiers, who had to carry out their daily brutal tasks, in essence, preserving their humanity by showing mercy.
The example you give is therefore one of rank stupidity, given the excess drones could have been preserved and used to inflict more casualties. It also shows that the drone operators, in this incident, are both poorly trained and motivated by cultural hatred’s, a sign perhaps of skilled operators being replaced by ideologues (Azov?) as their casualties increase?
Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 17:41 utc | 35
3) true
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 17:37 utc | 34
I am going to amend this: prison battalions ate more likely to commit atrocities, but lumping them with "chechen mercenaries" is just islamaphobic bs, as the Chechens are no more or less likely to commit "war crimes" than any other professional mercenary outfit.
Also, most chechen units aren't mercenary. Just more words strung together by this clueless ignoramus to try and sound intelligent.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 17:46 utc | 36
Apparently the Russians hold about 14'000 Ukraine POW's. I wonder how many the Ukrainians hold?
(Note that there a quite a few Ukrainians that do NOT want to be swapped, and even reports of Ukrainian wives going to Russia and being re-united with their husbands.
(and then deciding to stay there......!
FieryButMostPeaceful @ 11
It looks like Ukraine is finally surrendering. Zelensky invites Russia to peace talks without demanding territory back. But too soon to tell. The clown may be persuaded to renege.
Zelensky's two bits to help Biden get re-elected, otherwise only Trump talks peace, nothing more to it.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 6 2024 17:51 utc | 38
The Zman keeps talking about a tribunal targeting Russia. Given the Ukie's penchant for assassinating civilians, shelling civilian residential buildings, putting military weapons/equipment in civilian venues, and the murdering of surrendering Russian soldiers. I think the Ukies need the tribunal, not Russia.
Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Jul 6 2024 17:52 utc | 39
But, most likely, not. Especially if wounded. Most likely, you would do the human thing and chance surrender over death, as the vast, vast majority of humans do.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 17:33 utc | 30
Well, you don't really know me. The "most humans would" thinking sort of eliminates all phenomena outside your subjective conception of "most humans", which in "most humans" is just a projection of their own consciousness onto the mass of humanity.
Like your rejection of history, it's a disabling way of viewing reality. You're better than that, dude.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:54 utc | 40
Posted by: CIROC | Jul 6 2024 17:17 utc | 21
Apologies, my response about morality and warfare was addressed towards this post, don’t write and stroke cats simultaneously!
Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 17:58 utc | 41
Well, you don't really know me. The "most humans would" thinking sort of eliminates all phenomena outside your subjective conception...
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:54 utc | 40
The numbers dont lie. Chances are about 1000 to one you would actually suicide before capture.
And making such flippant statements about the most grave of situations proves you actually have not seriously meditated on death, war, capture, loss, conscription, impressment, or most of the other horrors.
And your attempt to deflect or start some lingering flame war you feel is unresolved with me about my supposed " rejection of history" is only going to be noted as what it is.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 18:01 utc | 42
@ Dogtired | Jul 6 2024 17:35 utc | 31
true..
@ Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:54 utc | 40
i think i agree with uwdude here fwiw..
Posted by: james | Jul 6 2024 18:01 utc | 43
This has always been the moral danger of lasting conflict, be it an attempted freeze or planned attrition, as it lingers too long into fatigue: bitterness foments inhumanity. You cannot normalize war and its tensions; all conflicts must resolve or they spiral in more ways than one. Time is but one theatre of such madness spirals -- history's wrongs never dying into the past -- the undead then stalk the land with "Sins of the father..."
Humanitarian ethoi are there for repentance, restitution, reconciliation, rehabilitation, and eventual miracle of forgiveness. This brotherly conflict came from far past feelings, recent past feelings, current feelings, and seems it will persist into future feelings. Those in the greatest positions of power have the greatest responsibility of grace and mercy to end the spiraling cycle, but all involved out into the periphery must tap into that wonder of grace and mercy to seal this portal to hell.
Just say no, choose peace instead. :_( Agitate your garden to put out the fires and bury the hatchet. :) Together wonders have occured before, offer grace and mercy first to hope it catches on. :)
/cheep cheep
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 6 2024 18:03 utc | 44
I am somewhat surprised that the Times so casually mentions that German military are fighting Russians. Is he a mercenary? And what does American led mean? US Special Forces? Regular Army or Marines? How did it get like this when everyone says there are no boots on the ground? Is this legal for Germany or the United States? Of course in the case of the United States laws for others...we seem to be exempt from them.
Posted by: dan of steele | Jul 6 2024 18:08 utc | 45
@ rumod report | Jul 6 2024 16:40 utc | 9 with the MOD for the week ending July 5
My creaky math came up with 13,525 Ukraine deaths in a week which is fairly close to the 2K number/day commenter Roger has been claiming for a while.
That is an ugly meat grinder, but must be kept in perspective given current Occupied Palestine genocide going on.
I read above that Z is making "peace" moves. Will we see a stop in hostilities?
It is too late for many, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 6 2024 18:10 utc | 46
Seems clear that many of ukrainian and Israeli fighters have turned barbarian.
Posted by: John k | Jul 6 2024 18:15 utc | 47
The numbers dont lie. Chances are about 1000 to one you would actually suicide before capture.
And making such flippant statements about the most grave of situations proves you actually have not seriously meditated on death, war, capture, loss, conscription, impressment, or most of the other horrors.
And your attempt to deflect or start some lingering flame war you feel is unresolved with me about my supposed " rejection of history" is only going to be noted as what it is.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 18:01 utc | 42
I like you, dude. No flame war intended.
However, you don't know me or "most humans" as well as you fancy. There's an arrogance to your insistence that you know how every individual will behave in every circumstance that is limiting.
Nonetheless, it seems clear that you couldn't make that call on the verge of a Ukie torture chamber. And that's ok. It's a hard situation and as you say most would not be able to do it for obvious reasons.
Plus, it's an abstraction. In a concrete situation I'd search for any way to survive first and perhaps there would be one. However, if it was clearly be tortured and humiliated to death by the Ukronazis or suicide, I'd choose the latter.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 18:17 utc | 48
And id dont mean to pick on you aheno, you are an ok guy.
But I do so because I see so many questions asked about "why dont people do this, or why dont people do that" all over the internet.
Why dont Ukrainians kill the commissars trying to impress them?
Why dont Americans rise up in violent revolution?
Why do people pull out their phones and record instead of help when there is a fight?
Why do people choose chemotherapy? It's deadly poison, and everyone knows it.
And these questions are asked from a space of lack of serious introspection, from which compassion and empathy grows.
You can imagine yourself as the movie or video game hero, and indeed, most reactionary hypothetical, "I would"s You read online in forums, or in video comments of violent situations, are people who obviously have never been in such situations, or worse, have, and did not react, but their set of circumstances were some how justified in their minds not to react.
I have experienced something life which was a reality check to macho imaginings, more the "Id rather die than prison" thing, and lo and behold, like most non gun to head suicides, once the suicide starts, suddenly the person decides they actually do want to live.
It also reminds me of a time my bluster was checked. A friend of mine was robbed at gunpoint by some mexicans during a $500ish pot deal.
They busted in the front door, two them, guns drawn, masks on, and demanded all the drugs and cash. As my roommate told me the story, I started talking about how I would have grabbed a knife, and hid around a wall, and ambushed them...
...and my roommate checked my ego. Maybe if I were in my own house,and knew where the knives were, or maybe of i had a gun, and maybe if i heard them on the front porch first, or saw them, but more likely, i would have done like the others in that room that night, I would have complied with the two mexicans busting in with masks and guns drawn.
So many questions about war can be answered simply by being honest with yourself, and one real experience should trump the literally tens of thousands of fake "experiences" witnessed in movies and video games.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 18:25 utc | 49
Those same lads are going to bawl in the dirt screaming about humanitarian law and morals and decency should their unit be surrounded.
American "warriors" are no different from Banderites. Amazing at torturing and killing kids, women, the elderly and surrendered captives. Shit at anything beyond that.
Posted by: Red Outsider | Jul 6 2024 18:27 utc | 50
Belarus yesterday saying Ulraine had 115000 molitary on its northern border...could be a possibility of in incudion etc in asdociation with Poland.. Ukraine today says going to mobilise 100000 this year...so why are these not already at the front...
Posted by: Jo | Jul 6 2024 18:30 utc | 51
Here's the Putin-Orban encounter's primary documents, "Putin Meets Orban: European Mutiny Continues". The revolutionary three words by Orban:
"Europe Needs Peace."
There's an arrogance to your insistence that you know how every individual will behave in every circumstance that is limiting.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 18:17 utc | 48
I said "most", and "chances are" for a reason. And its not arrogance if it is true.
When I was young, I did "rush towards the gunfire" when everybody else ran away, the few times in real life the opportunity arose, (unlike movies, where everywhere the superhero goes, they see injustices needing to be righted, a chance to stop injustice in progress is rare).
I dont know if I could now. I have more to live for now, and honestly, the people I have saved, i dont even know if it was worth it. Why risk my life to save someone getting beat up, when i know nothing of the conflict? Brushes with death create serious introspection.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 18:33 utc | 53
@Posted by: Jo | Jul 6 2024 18:30 utc | 51
Holy sh|t! And the people here thinking Ukraine is anywhere close to finished are dreaming. The Nazis are planning something big in the near future with help from Poland (which has been receiving a MASSIVE number of US military equipment).
Posted by: bored | Jul 6 2024 18:42 utc | 54
@52 @karlof1
A very important and much-overlooked point was raised in there - if Kiev commits to a ceasefire and the conflict is resolved, the justification for martial law in Ukraine will evaporate. And with it, Zelensky's 'emergency powers' and the reasoning for suspending elections, which he has virtually no chance of winning - I qualify that with 'virtually' because we don't know with any degree of certainty who might run against him.
Posted by: bored | Jul 6 2024 18:42 utc | 54
I'd be surprised to hear Ukraine are capable of a major offensive, after what happened last year.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 6 2024 18:49 utc | 56
Can you specify an actual war crime Russia has committed?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:25 utc | 27
There is a warrant out for Putin's arrest over removing children from a war zone at their parents request and relocating them to Russia where they are suffering long days in school, doing art, music, playing and getting nutritious food and a clean bed to sleep in without having to worry about random cluster bombs or petal mines raining down on them.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 18:52 utc | 57
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 17:12 utc | 19
No nimrod both side haven't committed war crimes. Just your fellow nazis.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Jul 6 2024 19:01 utc | 58
What does one expect anyway.......the Ukraine is the largest kleptostate in the world, the most corrupt, home to notorious internet scammers, responsible for stealing hundreds of billions in foreign aid, anti Christian, its the definition of a rogue state.........
The Russians are fully capable of rendering their own justice for these outrages.....and they will.......
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 6 2024 19:03 utc | 59
I thoroughly enjoy watching Russia de-Nazify the shiithole called Ukraine
Posted by: stale face | Jul 6 2024 19:09 utc | 60
No need for this. Ukrainian society is being fixed as we speak.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jul 6 2024 16:51 utc | 14
By a veterinarian I hope :D
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 6 2024 19:11 utc | 61
Yes this is one of the tragedies of war, committing war crimes against prisoners, I'm afraid it can't be stopped, but one always hopes that the perpetrators can and will be held to account at some point.
Unfortunately the Western ran bodies that could hold them accountable appear to be pro-Ukrainian in nature, possibly, no definitely due to pressure from the likes of the (US) (UK) and the (EU).
A prime example of this bias is the quick issue of a warrant for the arrest of Putin over alleged crimes, but the same cannot be said (issuing of a warrant) for the arrest of Netanyahu, yet whose crimes can easily be found online in a five minute search.
As the west turns a blind eye to the Neo-Nazi brigades in Ukraine, who have also been trained abroad as well, so there war crimes and by default Zelensky's will go unpunished.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 6 2024 19:17 utc | 62
Zelenskyy's Ukraine has a much chance of survival, as does Joe Biden's chance at re-election.......the end is near for both of these so called leaders, both totally corrupt, both delusional, both rapidly nearing the end of the road.................
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 6 2024 19:23 utc | 63
⚡️NATO will create an integrated border security system on the eastern flankAt the end of May 2024, the EU project “Border: UAS” was completed to develop a concept for the introduction of unmanned systems, artificial intelligence and smart sensors to protect the eastern borders of the European Union. The project is based on the use of a rigid airship design UAV, which is intended for stationary or slow patrol operations requiring long flights with heavy equipment.
The companies involved in the development were SIMAVI (Romania), Vicomtech (Spain), Hipersfera and AUDIO-VIDEO TREND (Croatia), DIAN (Italy), Dirigent Acoustics LLC and the Mikhail Pupin Institute (Serbia), ADITESS (Cyprus), TUC and KEMEA (Greece) ), MITLA (Malta), Foundation for Research and Technology – Hellas (FORTH, Greece).
Direct testing was carried out by border services and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and Moldova. The participation of the State Border Guard Service was planned, but was canceled due to military operations in Ukraine.
The research used a drone equipped with synthetic aperture radar (SAR), short/long wave infrared (SWIR/LWIR) and landscape mapping cameras to detect, track and identify trespassers and vehicles in wooded and other difficult-to-reach areas. The drone-airship is integrated with ground sensors and other technical means of border protection. The received data, entering the control center, is processed by AI and identifies the target. In the future, the drone, at the operator’s command, can track an inconspicuous target in hard-to-reach areas and coordinate the actions of capture groups.
Tests were carried out on the Romanian-Moldovan and Greek-Bulgarian sections of the border.
Despite the stated goal of suppressing illegal migration on the main routes into the EU (Eastern Mediterranean, Western Balkan and Eastern European), in reality this system has a dual purpose. The deployment of such systems on the borders with Russia and Belarus will allow the enemy to conduct continuous monitoring (reconnaissance) of the border area, which corresponds to the “drone wall” concept previously declared by the Baltic states. In the future, this will allow NATO countries to deploy DRGs, sending them through difficult-to-reach terrain. In addition, the capabilities will make it possible to reveal the system of protecting the border of the Union State, the deployment of troops in the border areas and identify the most suitable (vulnerable) places for the advancement of troops in the event of hostilities.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 6 2024 19:38 utc | 64
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Jul 6 2024 17:18 utc | 22
Thanks Panda for this link to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán interviewed on the plane as he returns from meeting Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Fascinating, frank and open discussion about their personal relationship and how Orbán approaches the peace negotiation he has undertaken.
Here’s an 20min video (in English, except for the first couple seconds) by a Swiss journalist interviewing Orban, he was traveling with him to Kiev & Moscow:There’s quite some interesting stuff in there and Orban promises some surprises on Monday…
Posted by: jonku | Jul 6 2024 19:40 utc | 66
@ anon2020, §65:
So we know have an "Electric Curtain" instead of an Iron Curtain, just shifted a thousand miles east.
And doubtless the Raytheons and Boeings are are all in control of their multi-country spin-offs and teaching them how to buy politicians in the American way. So Mafiosi "government" is exported from America to Europe . . .
Let´s hope America sinks into Civil War and Europeans give the current EU bureaucracy the Mussolini treatment.
Posted by: John Marks | Jul 6 2024 19:49 utc | 67
daily opinion shaping operations on welt.de continiue:
prominently placed with a big picture at the center of the page, we get an article from some us-historian with the header:
"There can only be peace without Putin"
further down the page we get an article about "pussy riot". remember those?
Nadja Tolokonnikowa protested against Putin with Pussy Riot and went to prison for it. She now lives in exile, but her fight continues. Why she is now shouting out against the dictatorship , wants to take her anger back to her home country and yet has little hope for the Russians.
german msm is just pathetic. the tragedy is that still enough michels believe this tripe.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 19:50 utc | 68
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 19:50 utc | 68
re: Pussy Riot
Adam Kokesh and friends got arrested for less, dancing with headphones at the Jefferson Memorial.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 20:06 utc | 69
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 6 2024 18:25 utc | 49
Never bring a knife to a gunfight, unless you are facing an opponent with a holstered sidearm, at close range and, even then, expect a high probability of being shot, if the user has any proficiency.
I was confronted by a knife wielding guy, so I instinctively grabbed the closest weapon, which happened to be a dinner plate! Quite what I had intended to use it for, discus or buckler, is anyone’s guess, but I always felt proud that I hadn’t cowered. Luckily the people around me had similar fortitude and the situation was resolved peacefully.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 20:19 utc | 70
I’m surprised no one has yet mentioned wikileaks and Assange! These Azov Naxi atrocities is exactly what he exposed of the USA nazi attitudes in American soldiers. Nothing different, NADA. Many Canadian battalions/Inits are trained likewise, as are our RCMP. Naxi racist supremisists values rule in the west and Assange just agreed by his plea to make these exposures criminal.
I hope it’s over soon but the real criminals must be exposed. Freeland is one of them
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jul 6 2024 20:22 utc | 71
The headline!! They are admitting an American led unit. Why is there an American led unit on the front line? If led by Americans, why the permission to casually execute prisoners?
NYT paywalls me, which is fine.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 6 2024 20:32 utc | 72
UWDude @30:
There was a time, in some cultures where "warrior" was tightly bound with "ego", and men would commit suicide or choose death over shame of capture, but those times are long gone, as for most men in war, it is a period of time they wish to survive, not a way of life.
What you are referring to is called honor culture, and indeed it is quite alien to many in the West now. Many in western societies have "transitioned" to something called victim culture. To people who have embraced victim culture, the abstract notions that motivate people living by the principles of honor culture make no sense, and vice versa.
Whats the difference? It is about what earns one status in a society other than the typical material accoutrements. In honor culture, one's honor is an intangible characteristic that must be nurtured and defended at all costs, even one's life. In contrast, in victim culture, that intangible social status is apportioned according to one's apparent victimization. The more victimization one can claim, the greater the intangible social status. The current biggies here are racism, sexism, and sexuality discrimination, but one can also earn victim points by being the adult child of an alcoholic, being obese victimized by a large discrepancy between calories consumed and burned, and things like that. This need for victimhood points to attain status in societies in which victim culture predominates is why you sometimes see straight, white men claiming "reverse discrimination", and likewise why such claims are resoundingly rejected by other victim types. After all, if everyone is a victim in a society where status is allotted by victimhood, then what values has that status?
While many in the West have "transitioned", don't assume everyone has, or even wants to. When whole societies come to be dominated by victim culture, they become something quite ugly and lose their appeal to many looking in from the outside. Societies where honor is lacking or discouraged have big problems. China, for example, never embraced victim culture, and Russia rejected it after briefly experimenting with it. Western Ukraine "transitioned" hard, and fixates on their victimhood, even if it is just imaginary.
By the way, victim culture plays a big part in recruiting participants in color revolutions. For individuals who have squandered their honor, a society where they can achieve social status on the "merits" of their butthurt alone holds great attraction. Furthermore, it is easy artificially amplify butthurt in individuals who have no honor, thus building armies of committed "victims" for your color revolution. Most well-funded NGOs are nothing more than butthurt amplifiers and organizers: getting people to fixate on their butthurt and make it the principal characteristic of their being, and then telling them their butthurt is the evil government's fault.
Basically, it is a mistake to assume honor culture is a bad thing.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6 2024 20:41 utc | 73
All the various non-paywall links in original post plus all comments are dead links.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 6 2024 20:42 utc | 74
fyi,
Baerbock and Kamala Harris will make quite the duo, now won't they?
stupid is as stupid does/says
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1809535427407233406
🇭🇺🇩🇪 LMAO: German’s Baerbock wanted to confront Hungary on the trip to Moscow, but Hungary cancels the meeting.
Nobody wants to listen to arrogant lectures, not even EU countries.
Barbock’s Office regrets the cancellation, as "a serious and honest personal conversation between both foreign ministers (...) would have been quite important in view of the surprising and uncoordinated Moscow trip of Prime Minister Orban”
The meeting should therefore be held at a later date.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 6 2024 20:49 utc | 75
Can you specify an actual war crime Russia has committed?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 17:25 utc | 27
There is a warrant out for Putin's arrest over removing children from a war zone at their parents request and relocating them to Russia where they are suffering long days in school, doing art, music, playing and getting nutritious food and a clean bed to sleep in without having to worry about random cluster bombs or petal mines raining down on them.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 18:52 utc | 57
Gave me a smile. Thanks for that HB.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 6 2024 20:55 utc | 76
Moral of the story: do not surrender to the armed forces of the most corrupt country in Europe.
Posted by: Monos | Jul 6 2024 21:00 utc | 77
All the various non-paywall links in original post plus all comments are dead links.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 6 2024 20:42 utc | 74
The ones I checked just now were working for me. Check if you have Java script disabled by any extensions in your browser, this site is among those that are sensitive to that. Try rebooting your modem and router, and restarting your device, if nothing else works, the could force an update of DNS addresses which might be needed.
https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/what-is-dns/
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2024 21:01 utc | 78
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 6 2024 20:41 utc | 73
Thank you. Magisterial overview of the current thing here in slime world. Beautifully developed and expressed, too.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Jul 6 2024 21:03 utc | 79
Dima:
-AFU made a large meat wave attack in Hlubove, consequentially they have managed to take over the majority of the village. The objective could be supporting Zelensky politically during Nato summit
-RUAF bombing them heavily
-AFU took over a part in eastern Vovchansk, but failed to take over the area east of Vovchansk, cutting the west-east road out of the village
-artillery/drone continues disrupting AFU reinforcements coming from the south
-RUAF made a huge wedge in the Kupyansk front, almost achieving division of the Zherebets river front to north and south - in north there is a narrower river which AFU can supply, in south there is a wide section/reservoir of river which can only be supplied from one place/bridge effectively
-RU widening the base of the advance toward New York to prevent AFU possibilities of counter-attacking the flank
-Poltava, RUAF managed to hit complex of S-300 system
-The updates from AFU side have decreased noticeably - Dima speculated this is due to the Nato summit, who does not want any negative reports from the front during the summit
-After summit updates will catch up, resulting more negative developments for AFU
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 21:09 utc | 80
Babel-17
Java is enabled. I have no idea whatsoever why this has meaning. Asking basic queries did lead to an answer on that point, which surprised me. As for DNS eye of newt and tongue of dog are just as likely to produce a result. For most of us a link is open or it is not.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 6 2024 21:14 utc | 81
Mark | Jul 6 2024 18:47 utc | 55--
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the entire legalistic nature of Putin's reasoning has caught up the illegalistic Outlaw US Empire by its balls, as it cannot claim to support democracy while clearly making a mockery of it so plainly for the world to see. In turn, that part of the conflict is what the Anti-Brussels mutiny will use to gain the people's backing, for what EU/NATO's been doing isn't legal or democratic--autocratic being the proper term.
Posted by : Constantine # 10
That was a Ukronazi staged video of RF executing RF
Please be careful of Telegram sources!
Posted by: Lauren Michele | Jul 6 2024 21:16 utc | 83
Here’s a live working link to the original NYT article on archive.ph. The latter site is an excellent resource to locate paywalled articles by NYT, WP, FT etc.
In Ukraine, Killings of Unarmed Russians Divide a U.S.-Led Unit - The New York Times
https://archive.ph/PQr1Y
Posted by: Thermobarbaric | Jul 6 2024 21:19 utc | 84
No surprise to see and hear that Ukrainian soldiers are killing surrendering Russian soldiers, and in other cases are also torturing Russian POWs. A society based on neo-Nazi values, teaching at least three generations of youngsters that Russians are sub-human beings over the past 30 years in schools, colleges and universities, and grovelling before the US and the EU (with their own histories of judging people as either greater or lesser in hierarchies, and encouraging Ukraine to do the same), inevitably reveals its true nature during war.
The only surprise should be that a German medic is serving with the unit, and this means Germany already has soldiers, some of them masquerading as medics, others as advisors, in Ukraine.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 6 2024 21:22 utc | 85
♨️THE RUSSIAN ARMY BLOWN UP THE UKRAINIAN PORT OF CHERNOMORSK WITH FOREIGN INSTRUCTORS IN THE AIR..The sea port of Chernomorsk was "taken apart" along with foreign guests.
The foreigners arrived a few hours before the attack.
The rockets destroyed
A port with dry cargo ships and a workshop with drones has been the target of a Russian attack over the past two days. Explosions were heard in the port of Chernomorsk in the Odesa region, and also in the Sumy region.
The reason for the attack
The Ukrainian Telegram channel "Resident" reported that the port of Chernomorsk was not chosen for the attack by chance. They say there is evidence that the Ukrainian facilities from which they launched the attacks on Sevastopol were on dry cargo ships. These cargo ships are based in the Black Sea. It is because of them, he reports, that the port has been "taken to pieces." Attacks were directed not only at port facilities, but also at administrative buildings and hangars.
The "guests" have arrived
The Telegram channel of military commentator Sergei Lebedev clarified that the targets of the attacks were not just cargo ships. According to him, strong interest was directed at the new administrative building at the seaport. “Foreign military personnel are known to have been in the building. It's hard to say from which country, they came literally a few hours before the attack... 18 soldiers were killed and about 30 others were injured", reports Lebedev. On this occasion, mass checks of the Ukrainian security service were launched in the city and in the port. They are looking for those who missed the information about the arrival of guests. Later that night, there was an attack on the warehouses of heavy equipment and ammunition, which had arrived together with the foreign instructors.Source 24 news
https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1809487778821849220
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 21:30 utc | 87
Oh, OK, I just read the full NYT article about Caspar Grosse's Chosen unit after my comment @ 85. So NATO already has boots on the ground in Ukraine.
When a unit like Chosen - hmm, you have to wonder where that name came from - is made up of thrillseekers, "retired" soldiers and others, and Ukrainian command and control are next to non-existent, should we be surprised that these people ignore Geneva conventions in the treatment of POWs?
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 6 2024 21:31 utc | 88
One of the most (perhaps the most?) civilised gesture we are capable of is the kind treatment of the surrendering enemy. Contrast Achilles' descent to savagery in Iliad 22 (death of Hektor) with his restoration to humanity in Iliad 24 (ransom of Hektor). The latter, with its exchange between Priam and Achilles, can still make me weep. To recognise yourself in the solider who lays down his arms, to share your bread with him, is this not the beginning of one's own salvation?
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 21:31 utc | 89
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 6 2024 21:31 utc | 88
In 2023 and early 2024 there was an increasing problem for foreign mercenaries, where AFU started using them to fill front line gaps in the face of not having domestic soldiers. This was a shocker to foreign mercs, who started leaving en-masse in conjunction with other problems. Now the problem is probably partially rectified so they probably don't need to use foreign mercs in that role so much.
Anyway, most of the foreign mercs in previous years were violent and murder criminals and psychopaths from western countries, outlaws actually, which explains why they execute POWs and civilians.
But this does not mean that actual Nato troops 'on vacation' would be any different.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 21:37 utc | 90
The Russian Armed Forces, using Iskander, destroyed two Patriot installations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Odessa
Russian troops destroyed two launchers of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in the Odessa region. Footage of the Russian army at work was published by Izvestia on Saturday, July 6.
Patriot installations were destroyed near the settlement of Yuzhnoye using Iskander operational-tactical missile systems. Russian forces also struck the Giraffe radar station. The goal was achieved.
Posted by: Nopir Pir | Jul 6 2024 21:39 utc | 91
The only surprise should be that a German medic is serving with the unit, and this means Germany already has soldiers, some of them masquerading as medics, others as advisors, in Ukraine.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 6 2024 21:22 utc | 85
Not necessarily, there are quite a few German volunteers over there. One was even on TV a year ago, he was voluntarily fighting and got hit pretty badly, can’t find a video at the moment. I don‘t want to neglect that there are also semi-official German troops, just that this one German medic doesn’t prove anything, unfortunately.
Posted by: Zet | Jul 6 2024 21:40 utc | 92
Doctorow weighs in
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2024/07/06/viktor-orbans-peace-mission-to-moscow/
"I find Viktor Orban’s visit to Moscow remarkable for its demonstration that courage and decency have not utterly disappeared among European elites. His riposte to taunting by Josep Borrel and Charles Michel was exemplary for its reasonableness and moderation. They had denounced Orban for traveling to Moscow without a mandate to speak on behalf of the European Union. He responded that he was speaking on behalf of humanity which is deeply interested in the return of peace to Europe and was not speaking on behalf of the EU in his capacity as holder of the six-month revolving presidency.
Let us hope that such boldness....."
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 6 2024 21:41 utc | 93
Unimperator @ 87:
That's significant news. Chernomorsk was founded originally as a satellite town of Odessa. This demonstrates that the Russians are well within striking distance of Odessa and the Transnistria region, and it may be a matter of when, not if, Odessa oblast and Transnistria become part of the Russian Federation.
Justice cannot come soon enough for those involved in massacring the govt employees and pro-federation activists in the trade union building in Odessa in May 2014.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 6 2024 21:42 utc | 94
Don’t worry.
The Great Knight Flop
Is on his way
As soon as England is allowed to Win
The Euros.
Tv ads in black and white
Army
Don’t worry
The Light Brigade is on its way
This time in full Color
Sic
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 6 2024 21:45 utc | 95
Holy sh|t! And the people here thinking Ukraine is anywhere close to finished are dreaming. The Nazis are planning something big in the near future with help from Poland (which has been receiving a MASSIVE number of US military equipment).
Posted by: bored | Jul 6 2024 18:42 utc | 54
_____
Perhaps it would be better if the Ukronazis and their buddies in countries like Poland really did try to execute that “something big.” They need to be defeated comprehensively and utterly.
Similarly, assuming that Orbán isn’t working for Ukronazistan’s unconditional surrender, I hope his initiative fails utterly.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 21:45 utc | 96
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jul 6 2024 16:42 utc | 11
Russia knows by now that any 'peace deal' is its opposite, just a ruse to buy time for resupply and reorganization. I say ignore, stick to the mission and wipe these fuckers off the map.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 6 2024 21:49 utc | 98
Earlier on (after nazi's had posted snuff videos on telegram), Nazi Ukraine only criminalized posting torture and murder videos to social media rather than outlawing torture and murder.
The 'mercs'? A few years back I watched an interview of an American woman who's former husband was a US military officer. US soldiers were profiled and those that fit the profile were put though a special training course and went into special units. These were people who would kill anyone without remorse/liked killing. They were then sent to various places to take part in insurgencies and so forth.
The Georgian mercs that did the shooting at maidan come to mind in that regard. The US base in Georgia - Bondsteel? or something like that. A terrorist training ground. Don't hear much about it now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 6 2024 21:51 utc | 99
Posted by: John k | Jul 6 2024 18:15 utc | 47
Combat drugs. Both the IDF and AFU give out drug cocktails consisting of amphetamines and benzodiazepines being the major components. It's why you see so many videos of IDF troops milling around like zombies out in the open in sniper country.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 6 2024 21:54 utc | 100
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Narcofurher has been showing signs of faltering panic lately. I imagine the NYT article above is one of the ways to make him squeal and keep towing the line. They made him and they can end him the same way after all.
Posted by: boneless | Jul 6 2024 16:01 utc | 1