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July 4, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-157

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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God I wish media commentators (on both sides of the SMO) would stop calling Orban’s visit (a) to Zelensky, and (b) to Putin a “surprise”.
Ffs, you don’t just arrive uninvited, unauthorised, or make a head of state itinerary without mutual planning. It’s all theatre, PR bullshit all sides, each seeing advantages and each spuiking their cause. Orban well knows agreed peace is IMPOSSIBLE, even without physical trips. So what’s he really up to?
Imo,
1, giving a finger to the EU, NATO, US;
2, patronising Zelensky by pretending to listen;
3, reporting to Putin where Zelensky is really at;
4, doing Russia-Hungary future deals;
5, assuring Putin his is still onside with RF despite being EU Council President;
6, sharing off the record EU leaders’ REAL positions on NATO’s beligerence, (ie not as united as they make out);
7, bringing good tidings from the ascending Russophilic leaders.
Two grown men only meet face to face so that private, off the record stuff can be shared. Otherwise phone and diplomatic channels suffice perfectly well … but are all recorded.
All such Peace Theatre for PR spin by all sides. Orban — True Friend of Russia, Secret Hater of Ukraine.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 6 2024 2:49 utc | 301

Posted by: Minaa | Jul 6 2024 2:43 utc | 299
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 6 2024 2:49 utc | 300
In summary: the situation in Ukraine and Zelensky is unsustainable militarily, economically and politically; finally, and bankruptcy on all counts!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 6 2024 3:14 utc | 302

Re Biden resignation
Only “God Almighty” can make him do so, as per the pious bbc
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl5y8n5d09qo

Posted by: Minaa | Jul 6 2024 3:25 utc | 303

Posted by: Minaa | Jul 6 2024 3:25 utc | 302
Another ridiculous situation is that of Joe Biden; How ridiculous that the deep state has surfaced!
Personally, I think that this early dementia has to do with your disappointment in the bet you made against Russia! Joe Biden does not have the mental flexibility to digest such a setback!

Posted by: Elber | Jul 6 2024 3:30 utc | 304

@Archetypex | Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:17:00 GMT | 296

There’s a report from Tom Fitton that our zombie in chief is resigning Monday the 8th.

Resigning or not running? There’s a difference. Also, I wouldn’t put much stock in any breaking news by Tom Fitton. If it happens, it will be leaked beforehand to the NYT or Washington Post the night before.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 6 2024 3:51 utc | 305

Posted by: James M. | Jul 6 2024 3:51 utc | 304
He said resigning.
That would fit into a Kamala running as incumbent president theory.
Im not saying it’s believable, but interesting and possibly has another meaning, whether he resigns Monday or not.
BS, plot, threat?

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 6 2024 5:08 utc | 306

Another one bites the dust….
Marine Corp Major General was found dead after returning from Ukraine.
William Mullen, 59, was found dead at the Marine Corps Airborne Warfare Center in California.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 6 2024 5:09 utc | 307

The Russians destroyed a few airfields which were designated for F-16 refurb and possibly flight/combat ops. Maybe, there were also a few airplanes, parts and mechanics around. They made multiple trips which peaked my interest.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 5 2024 23:45 utc | 286
Is it possible that the aircraft destroyed recently were in fact F16’s rather than Su27’s as reported?
I’m not sure that Ukraine had many SU27’s left, and it seems to be bloody stupid to line them up on an airfield so close (150 km) from the RF border. Of course the same would be true for the “new” F16’s, but these have limited combat range so basing them close to RF would be necessary if Ukraine was preparing some deep strike into RF. Maybe the Russians caught these planes while they were being armed and fueled.
Of course there may also have been mock up planes and other decoys with a few real ones. Anyhow, just my speculation.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 6 2024 6:11 utc | 308

Is it possible that the aircraft destroyed recently were in fact F16’s rather than Su27’s as reported?
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 6 2024 6:11 utc | 307

No.
F-16 weight == 9,207 kg
Su-27 weight == 16,380 kg

Posted by: too scents | Jul 6 2024 6:20 utc | 309

@Archetypex | Sat, 06 Jul 2024 05:08:00 GMT | 305

BS, plot, threat?

I don’t know. But we’ll find out in a few days.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 6 2024 6:35 utc | 310

Suresh @ 306

Marine Corp Major General was found dead after returning from Ukraine.

Maybe they forgot to punch some holes for air in the body bag?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 6 2024 7:16 utc | 311

Interview with Viktor Orbán after his meeting with Putin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KbKJfPM1I

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 7:47 utc | 312

Bakhmut was taken last summer and now Russia has pushed 8 km west to the canal at Chasiv Yar.
This is indeed a special military operation, because one would have to be special needs child to think it is going well for Russia.

Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 8:51 utc | 313

This is especially ironic considering all the Z-bots losing their mind about Bakhmut and declaring that it would break the Ukraine’s back, with Russian tank columns rolling freely to Kramatorsk soon afterward.

Posted by: Micron | Jul 6 2024 8:54 utc | 314

This is especially ironic considering all the Z-bots losing their mind about Bakhmut and declaring that it would break the Ukraine’s back, with Russian tank columns rolling freely to Kramatorsk soon afterward.

Posted by: Micron | Jul 6 2024 8:54 utc | 315

From the start of the SMO, a quick recap of all the “decisive battles” which were supposed to collapse the Ukie forces :
– Mariupol. “Azov is done ! They were the most motivated part of the Ukrainian army !”
– Severodonetsk and Lisichansk. “Cauldron ! thousands of ukrainians wiped out !”
– Pisky. “Russian forces confidently advancing after levelling the trenches with artillery”.
– Bakhmut. “Ukrainians are done. Wagner broke their back. ”
– Avdeevka. “Done deal. Soon we’ll wrap up Ugledar and Konstantinovka.”
and I forget surely half a dozen other townlets. Now the next big things are supposed to be
– Vovchansk (reminder : Vovchansk is 10 km from the Russian border, Kharkov is 30 km away). “Once Vovchansk falls, it’s a free road to Kharkov !”
– Chasiv Yar. “Lynchpin to Kramatorks and the Donbass !”
– Niu York. “It will collapse all the northern Donbass !”
– Toretsk. See above.
I mean, yes, probably one at least of these towns will fall, give or take a few months. But I’m deeply skeptical that any one of these battles will be decisive or will lead to this ever elusive collapse. Kramatorsk seems light years away.
Meanwhile Belgorod is without electricity, and there is talk of resettling all the border area. Talk about a buffer zone, but on the Russian side.. Brilliant.

Posted by: Micron | Jul 6 2024 9:00 utc | 316

Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 6 2024 8:51 utc | 312
Hah, remembering how napoleon lost against the russians always puts a smile on my face.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 9:03 utc | 317

Dima:
-RU defeated all AFU attacks in Hlubove
-RU expands bridgehead in Burguvatka across river, forcing AFU to react away/west of Vovchansk
-RU continues effective interdiction AFU attempts to move troops from south to Vovchansk
-AFU concentrates troops to attempt attack the RU controlled area east of Vovchansk from the east, blocking the road from the east
-RU moves west past north of Novoselivka Persha, now controlling the road west of it with small-arms fire
-12 days have passed without American drones over the Black Sea

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 9:12 utc | 318

Posted by: Micron | Jul 6 2024 9:00 utc | 315
i still dont understand how ukraine is losing towns to a gas station anyways. i mean the gas station has no missiles since last year or longer, has no economy, has to throw washing mashines at the enemy, and their soldiers have no socks and only shovels.
all the while ukraine is the biggest army in europe, with full nato support in military, economic and financial matters.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 9:20 utc | 319

Interview with Viktor Orbán after his meeting with Putin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KbKJfPM1I
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I just watched the whole thing. What a joke. Confirmed my suspicions that the whole thing was a carefully crafted piece of theatre by Russia and Orban to make Zelensky, EU, NATO, US all look like totally intractable dickheads against peace, thus giving RF 20 more good reasons to keep going as per usual.
Orban revealed absolutely NOTHING that hasn’t already been said ad infinitum for months on RT! He was 100% on-message for Putin! It certainly did not require some “surprise” physical visit from Budapest to Moscow to come to a single revelation he revealed.
In the 20 mins, he made not a single mention of Zelensky or Ukraine, as if they and their ideas were irrelevant. He sure won’t be popular in Brussels. Lol.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 6 2024 9:23 utc | 320

Berlin, Moscow, Brussels. The Hungarian government has canceled a visit by Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock (Greens) to Budapest planned for Monday at short notice.
“To our astonishment, the Hungarian side canceled on Friday evening the appointment of Foreign Minister Szijjártó with Foreign Minister Baerbock in Budapest, which was originally scheduled for Monday,” the Foreign Office said. The trip is to be rescheduled at a later date.
No reasons for the cancellation were initially given. Baerbock was actually due to meet her counterpart Péter Szijjártó in Budapest on Monday.
The German Foreign Ministry regretted the short-notice cancellation. “A serious and honest personal discussion between the two foreign ministers would have been very important in view of Prime Minister Orban’s surprising and uncoordinated trip to Moscow.”

why would germany want an “honest and personal discussion” with hungary? all they can do is lecture others on their “behaviour”, and the hungarians probably figured out that nothing of value would come to pass if they talk with anal ena.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 9:33 utc | 321

Like the European Union and the German government before it, the USA also criticized the trip, which Orban presented as a peace mission. The US government expressed its “concern”. The behavior of the NATO partner was “counterproductive” in terms of supporting the sovereignty of Ukraine and did not contribute to peace in the country attacked by Russia, said US President Joe Biden’s spokeswoman, Karine Jean-Pierre.
“Russia could end this war today by abandoning its attack against Ukraine, against its sovereignty and against its democracy,” she continued.

right…

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 9:37 utc | 322

all the while Ukraine is the biggest army in Europe,”
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 9:20 utc | 318
No, Russia has the biggest army in Europe.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 9:43 utc | 323

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 9:43 utc | 322
yes it is, but my post was a little bit sarcastic. and blinken once said that the ukrainians are the biggest and best army, and russia is only number 2 in europe.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 10:06 utc | 324

qJake Blanchard
“In the 20 mins, he made not a single mention of Zelensky or Ukraine, as if they and their ideas were irrelevant.”
Why should Orbán mention the usurpator Zelensky? Who cares what this clown puppet thinks or wants? Orbán mentioned the guys who die every minute of this conflict.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 10:26 utc | 325

Ukraine now proudly number 1 in the World. Yup, in debt to the IMF. The $13B+ seems unlikely to be repaid this century.
To give it a sense of scale, Serbia is 2nd in Europe with $1.3B or 10%.

Posted by: JohninMK | Jul 6 2024 11:23 utc | 326

Poor Micron,
Having a conversation with an imaginary man in his head. Must be what Joe Biden is also going through. Please have compassion on our suffering friend.

Posted by: Wæsfjord | Jul 6 2024 11:50 utc | 327

“Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 9:43 utc | 322
yes it is, but my post was a little bit sarcastic. and blinken once said that the ukrainians are the biggest and best army, and russia is only number 2 in europe.”
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 10:06 utc | 323
Ok, I get it.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 11:50 utc | 328

“Jake Blanchard
“In the 20 mins, he made not a single mention of Zelensky or Ukraine, as if they and their ideas were irrelevant.”
Why should Orbán mention the usurpator Zelensky? Who cares what this clown puppet thinks or wants? Orbán mentioned the guys who die every minute of this conflict.”
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 10:26 utc | 324
I agree-not mentioning the jackass further degenerates Zelensky’s authourity in the matter.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 11:52 utc | 329

germanys welt.de :

Most of the drones were shot down, according to Kiev, but there was still damage caused by Russian airstrikes. There has also been destruction caused by drone attacks in Russia. While logistics were targeted there, civilians were also hit in Ukraine.

In addition to purely military objects, Kiev has also increasingly attacked fuel depots and transport hubs in recent months in order to make it logistically more difficult for Russia to wage its war of aggression.

german media falls further down the drain.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 12:08 utc | 330

Posted by: comrade simba | Jul 6 2024 0:28 utc | 289
I’m pro-reality, therefore not bound by any analytical restraints that tend to accompany overly-nationalist perspectives.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 12:11 utc | 331

Posted by: Wæsfjord | Jul 6 2024 11:50 utc | 326
No, he’s continuing a well-worn historical tradition of the losers inflicting on Russia narrative defeats that never quite manifested themselves into reality. The Germans created a whole post-war industry from it, with their usual Teutonic efficiency and the US Army bought into this comforting fantasy, till some truly outstanding analysts began to force a much needed rethink.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 12:49 utc | 332

I was working on a longer comment but instead figure I’ll just throw out some rhetorical questions:
1. Who/what is going to guarantee that Ukraine doesn’t just renege on any peace agreement terms the minute the ink is dry? Remember “non-agreement capable?”
2. Who/what is going to put Azov on trial for war crimes?
3. How is a new provisional government going to be formed that doesn’t include Zelensky?
4. How will Ukrainian neutrality be guaranteed? Could Turkey or China be given veto power over any foreign policy acts or maybe take over all the Nuclear power plants ?
I think the answer to all of these are “it isn’t possible without complete surrender by the West.”
And if these aren’t possible the war must continue until they do surrender.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 6 2024 12:51 utc | 333

Orbán mentioned the guys who die every minute of this conflict.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 10:26 utc | 324
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Yeah he did. Several times. Compassion was the key. And he mentioned his Christian commitment to peace … something he and Putin have more in common than the godless Zelensky and his Kievan nazis.
My point about not mentioning Zelensky was that in the interview, after just visiting THE TWO war antagonistic presidents, he spoke most respectfully of Putin, but the ommision of Zelensky tacitly showed disrespect and irrelevance. THAT was my point. More so, the questioner seemed almost scripted. All kind of a big FSB set up to me. And who looked good in the press from the Orban’s round trip? Russia. And Orban is to be commended for his courage in drawing the flack.
He mentioned some “other surprises in the pipeline” ???? China, Turkey, UK, visits, maybe?

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 6 2024 13:02 utc | 334

Is it possible that the aircraft destroyed recently were in fact F16’s rather than Su27’s as reported?
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 6 2024 6:11 utc | 307
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Yogi Berra to the rescue: ‘Take the fork in the road.’
Only Su 27s were reported after many attacks on many airfields. No one would want to report F-16s and their environs being damaged.
Unimperator started with the speculation of the F-16s, I amplified.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 6 2024 13:23 utc | 335

“He mentioned some “other surprises in the pipeline” ???? China, Turkey, UK, visits, maybe?”
…China, Iran, Israel?

Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 13:34 utc | 336

Tulsi tosses Biden in the trash can and slam the lid shut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uT9fy-dJIA

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 6 2024 13:45 utc | 337

Of course there may also have been mock up planes and other decoys with a few real ones. Anyhow, just my speculation.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 6 2024 6:11 utc | 307
Absolutely … there is no way for us to know and there is no point in arguing for what you can’t possibly know. You have to be pretty naive to believe everything posted on telegram is what they say it is. Deception in warfare is as common as bullets and the propagaqnda and deception department of the AFU likely gets a bigger budget allowance from the west than the budget for bullets.
I was a very sceptical when I saw rare Ukrainian SU-27’s sitting out in the open like that in range of Russian tactical missiles. You would think they’d at least disperse them to different airbases.
F-16’s aren’t going to make a dam bit of difference. All they are are radar signals to be targeted and shot down same vintage as a mig -29 or SU-27. They have to work with air superiority fighters, tankers, EW aircraft and AWAC’s to do their job as strike aicraft and none of those currently exist in Ukraine and if they were there those supporting assets would be taken out by Russian SAM’s and BVR missiles in short order as well.
Russia has the advantage of reach in an air war.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 13:47 utc | 338

The Global hawk is active again after almost two weeks of absence, albeit not over the Black Sea. The new route takes it over Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. So not really supporting anything in Ukraine or Crimea.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1809539849948389823

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 6 2024 13:59 utc | 339

Not seen a report of a MiG-31 shooting down cruise missiles before (though I may have missed previous example).
https://t.me/rybar/61605

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 About the strikes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Black Sea region
At night, Ukrainian formations again attacked oil infrastructure with drones in the Krasnodar Territory off the coast of the Azov Sea. Several settlements came under attack.
Air defense work was noted in Yeisk, Pavlovsk, Leningrad. The drones were shot down by the 51st air defense division, but some of the debris with the warhead fell into the territory of power facilities, but did not cause serious damage.
🔻However, this is the second day in a row that the enemy has attacked the coastal zones of the Azov Sea.
Yesterday, the target of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was Primorsko-Akhtarsk, in the direction of which 20 drones were launched. Almost all of them were shot down by air defense crews and fighters of the 4th Army, but one UAV hit a local substation, which caused problems with light.
After this, the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck again: this time, three Neptune anti-ship missiles were launched from the territory of the Zaporozhye region, which are increasingly being detected along the entire line of contact, starting from Belgorod and ending with Crimea. Two missiles were shot down by air defense units, and one went off course and hit a residential building, causing casualties to civilians.
▪️A little later, seven Ukrainian drones were shot down between Rostov-on-Don and Bataysk. The final target remains unclear: it could have been oil depots, or perhaps the drones were flying further in the direction of the Morozovsk airfield.
▪️And yesterday it was restless in Crimea. During the day, the missile and drone threat was introduced at least 5-6 times, and in most cases due to the launches of decoy missiles and decoys.
However, at one point, a Ukrainian Su-24M bomber launched two Storm Shadow cruise missiles, which were shot down near Tarkhankut and south of Yevpatoriya by MiG-31 fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

https://t.me/Lunay14/18391

The Chinese military showed an anti-drone pistol. The three-shot pistol fires a reticle (net) and is capable of safely stopping an FPV drone. He appeared in a video from the Chinese-Laotian “Shield of Friendship 2024” exercise.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 6 2024 14:44 utc | 340

#229 vargas=Zannon=Napoleon=Micron= D*icks heads ……

Posted by: sejmon | Jul 6 2024 14:56 utc | 341

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 13:47 utc | 337
I think the real damage was to the support personnel essential to keep the planes flying, hence the cryptic message, ‘heartbreaking losses’. Unless there is rampant mechano-fetishism in the UAF, such language normally refers to flesh and blood, not metal and polymer. The footage could very well be strikes on decoys or previously disabled machines, thus preserving the Russian kill chain capabilities from the casual observer. The danger of having to release reassuring combat footage is that the intel damage often outweighs any morale benefits.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 15:16 utc | 342

https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16396

War is increasingly turning into a confrontation between invisible, or practically invisible forces. A hidden soldier, over whom dozens of drones for various purposes are flying, these drones are trying to detect electronic warfare, electronic warfare is trying to crush them. In turn, they try to detect EW stations using EW/RTR and strike them with a drone or artillery.
Hundreds of drones, dozens of suppression stations, if these invisible waves of control and suppression could be seen, then the sky above the LBS and in the immediate rear would sparkle with thousands of flashes. All this powerful work is aimed at destroying individual soldiers or equipment that carelessly crawled out of camouflaged fortifications or went on rotation.
The reconnaissance UAV aims artillery fire, it hits, but an enemy drone is already flying in its direction, hoping to suppress or destroy it. This drone is landed by electronic warfare, and if it fails to land, it either searches for artillery or attacks any vehicle in a free hunt. In this case, the enemy does not bother at all; for him, the murder of a civilian family is no worse, and maybe even better, than the destruction of military vehicles.
There are many stories going around the front that, thanks to such a large number of working electronic warfare installations, “soon everyone will no longer have one.” Who knows, maybe this is true; no army in the world has ever had experience using electronic warfare in such quantities.

https://t.me/vysokygovorit/16400

One of the most important targets today is UAV operators, be it large reconnaissance birds or small attack FPVs. Everyone is chasing these new military specialties and no expense is spared to defeat them.
The crests generally post Khaimars on duty to instantly strike at our UAV operators detected.
There is a hunt for nests, for the fields where these guys are deployed, for cars. The profession of “UAV operator” is perhaps becoming the second most dangerous, after attack aircraft.
We, too, are not made with our fingers, and sometimes the technical means that we use to detect the enemy cause a pleasant surprise. I was once lucky to be next to one of the Special Forces groups (they took a couch blogger with them to the task, for which I thank them very much), whose goal was to destroy the crew of FPV drones, either Alpha SBU or GUR. The guys hunted for several days and killed them in bad rainy weather, when the crests, confident in their safety, decided to change the point and drove in a beautiful minivan.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 6 2024 15:25 utc | 343

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 13:47 utc | 337
Tactically they will have an impact, operationally a dent, strategically very little. More Russian’s will loose their lives, the conflict will be artificially extended, but like a Biden, post-debate, interview, it’s only delaying the inevitable. Wonder if Ukraine will have their own Belenko incident!
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 6 2024 14:44 utc | 339
Not surprised, that was one of the platforms initial roles, given Russia’s previously limited look-down, shoot-down capabilities allowed a window of opportunity for such weapons.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 15:32 utc | 344

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 6 2024 13:47 utc | 337
I think the real damage was to the support personnel essential to keep the planes flying, hence the cryptic message, ‘heartbreaking losses’. Unless there is rampant mechano-fetishism in the UAF, such language normally refers to flesh and blood, not metal and polymer.
Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 15:16 utc | 341
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The S-300PS system destroyed in Koptiv was recently deployed there in a desperate attempt by Kiev forces to protect the Mirgorod Air Base, which was struck two times earlier this week.
https://southfront.press/in-video-russian-missiles-shred-s-300-system-near-key-poltava-air-base/
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There is something going on with what some have speculated to be F-16 air bases.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 6 2024 15:39 utc | 345

“He mentioned some “other surprises in the pipeline” ???? China, Turkey, UK, visits, maybe?”
…China, Iran, Israel?
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 6 2024 13:34 utc | 335
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I’d just as soon Orbán kept out of the “Israel” matter. He and his government rival the Anglo powers when it comes to unconditional fealty to the Zionazis.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 6 2024 15:54 utc | 346

The US military is increasingly working on development of autonomous hunter-killer drones that seek targets without further communication after launch in order to circumvent EW interference. The missing link to Terminator world is robotic manufacturing and deployment. How long now?

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 6 2024 16:00 utc | 347

“#229 vargas=Zannon=Napoleon=Micron= D*icks heads ……”
Posted by: sejmon | Jul 6 2024 14:56 utc | 341
Perhaps-but there is no polished metal without an anvil…

Posted by: canuck | Jul 6 2024 16:37 utc | 348

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 6 2024 15:39 utc | 345
Yup, support personnel, perhaps those who attended the same training cycle as the pilots. Perhaps, forward deployed to prepare the bases for the arrival of the F-16’s, in which case their loss would be little short of catastrophic. Lots of perhapses, but certainly agree something important was struck, something painfully important to future Ukrainian plans.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 6 2024 15:25 utc | 343
Just like the medieval longbow men, WW1 machine gunners and tankers and FO’s in WW2, operating effective, and relatively new technologies, that disrupt the martial status quo, makes you both despised and highly sought after, though as targets! In the end the devotion of resources to counter these ‘upstarts’ helps stabilise and moderate their long-term impact. As I have said, the SMO is to drones what WW2 was for armoured vehicles, a golden time, never to be replicated.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 6 2024 16:54 utc | 349

RF now needs to decapitate all the oil and transportation infrastructure..
These actions will weaken all fronts and advance the general collapse of the Nazi army and its logistical train. Get it done, hasten the end to the NATO war.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 4 2024 14:08 utc | 8
Curious to see why you think Russia had not thought of all the actions in your post, and more, back in 2014? If they had such planning, from someone, anyone, why did they NOT implement such?

Posted by: jopalolive | Jul 7 2024 1:16 utc | 350

@olive 350:
What’s changed is the mood of the Western public. If Russia had been more aggressive earlier, that would have played into the MIC’s hands, and a public still ‘into’ the war would have eagerly gone along with them. But the long grinding war of attrition, with no spectacular victories (save the occasional successful cruise missile attack on Crimea), and the continued story of ‘spirited defense’ then ‘utterly routed’ dragged over time makes for very boring press and MSM sound bites.
Now, when Western publics are scrapping WEF leaders left and right, Russia can be more bold. Would any American man follow Biden’s call to fight in Ukraine today? Would any Brit follow Starmer? Would any Frenchman follow Macron? Russia knows the Western leadership has been shown to be a scam beyond belief – a bunch of Democratic *donors* are determining who is going be the next candidate for President – where everything, including human life, is bought and sold. In that power vacuum, Russia is stepping up their intensity.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jul 7 2024 11:33 utc | 351

The Hungarian government has canceled a visit by [German] Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock (Greens) to Budapest planned for Monday at short notice.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 6 2024 9:33 utc | 321
Compare with this news from a few days ago:
“Chinese Prime minister Li Qiang cancels meeting with [German Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Climate Action] Habeck (Greens).”
You just don’t get the respect you used to. Why o why?

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 7 2024 15:45 utc | 352