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July 4, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-157
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UWDude @ 197
I think your right.
Remember the very odd obssesion with the Gaza hospital, israel said was bombed by Hamas an obveous, blatent, transparent lie, the relevant threads here filled with bizzare fake detailed debate.
Respect
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Mp George Galloway sadly is no longer an MP. (Thats bad.)
Jery9my Corban thrown out of the labour party by keir starmer years ago after losesing last election, (stabbed in back by starmer before loseing) is back as an MP. (independent) thats good.
Insidently this starmer so called land slide swing to labour intails less new seats for starmers labour than Corbin gained when they said he lost as labour leader.
This labour win is a shadow of the size of Corbyns Labour. (Funny old world)
And thats the rub… starmer took over labour un democraticly. Now he’s in, the fight will be internal.
Cup half full. Can we take labour back from within … yes we can. Hold fire for a few days Vlad.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 9:52 utc | 201
another day, another piece of slander from germanys handelsblatt:
Moscow. Hungary’s right-wing populist Prime Minister Viktor Orban has arrived in Moscow for a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. This was announced by Orban’s spokesman Bertalan Havasi on Friday.
Rumors about Orban’s trip to Moscow had already caused significant criticism from the EU. The President of the European Council, Charles Michel, emphasized that the rotating EU presidency has no mandate to conduct a dialogue with Russia on behalf of the EU. Discussions about Ukraine should not take place without the government in Kiev.
Orban also tried to dispel such concerns in advance. Just because his country currently holds the presidency of the EU Council does not give him a mandate to conduct negotiations on behalf of the international community, Orban said in a radio interview. “All I do is travel to places where there is war or the risk of war that threatens or has a negative impact on the European Union and Hungary, and ask questions.”
Hungary took over the EU Council Presidency on July 1 for six months. Shortly afterwards, Orban traveled to Kiev, where he met President Volodimir Zelensky and urged him to consider a ceasefire with Russia.
Of all the heads of government in the European Union, the right-wing conservative Orban is considered to be the one who is most inclined towards Putin. At the same time, he is critical of Western military aid for Ukraine. He was last in Russia in 2022. He did not meet Putin then, but the two met on other occasions in other countries.
so first he is a “right-wing populist”, and at the end of the text he is a “right-wing conservative”. they cant even keep their slander consistent.
text in bold is interesting. they did not apply the same logic during their swiss cheese “peace” conference.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 10:02 utc | 202
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 10:02 utc | 202
That is a pretty delusional piece. Russia does not negotiate with EU on anything related to Ukraine, because EU is a powerless lapdog of US and as such irrelevant.
They will only talk with the US, but problem is there is no one to talk with in the US (currently). So the only path is to continue.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 10:07 utc | 203
Food for thought…. if they’d given the keys to the nucular weapons to zelensky would he have used them by now ?
Spend time to consider the implications today.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 10:15 utc | 204
https://x.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1809163540256698510
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 5 2024 10:20 utc | 205
Food for thought…. if they’d given the keys to the nucular weapons to zelensky would he have used them by now ?
Spend time to consider the implications today.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 10:15 utc | 204
i wouldnt say that zelensky would have used them by now, but rather the more extreme element, ie those of nazi ideology. looking how they disregard the life of anyone of russian descent, its easy to see that they would go all out, especially since they also would see that russia wouldnt most likely not nuke back in ukraine itself, since they see most of it as russian land and people anyway.
this is all a big hostage situation that russia has to thread with care, while the hostage takers, aka the west and its rabid nazi stooges (its one big entity if we are honest), kill as they please.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 10:29 utc | 206
Thanks for your reply Justpassinby @ 206.
It was a genune question im trying to ask the right ones.
Love all your input on MOA
much respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 10:37 utc | 207
I should add by now starmer (israel) have possetion of the UK nucular keys.
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 10:40 utc | 208
Ukrainian journalist in exile Anatolii Sharii:
”Orbán carried out a brilliant operation. I think it will be comprehended by the office of the president (of Ukraine) in two weeks.”
Sharii believes Zelensky was set up when he rejected a ceasefire proposal from Viktor Orbán.
Orbán delivered the proposal on behalf of China and the Global South.
Now Zelensky is seen as the obstacle for peace.
It was obviously understood that Zelensky would reject the proposal and which is exactly why Orbán made it to begin with for Zelensky to reject it publically.
https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1809170424615277015
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 10:50 utc | 209
I would say Orban’s visit to Putin is more about their personal relationship and of Russia’s <> Hungary’s national interests, but hidden under peacey-weacey headlines.
Orban has been one of few EU leaders to put HIS COUNTRY’S best interests ahead of imposed EU collectivity, and of not persecuting Russia for doing what it felt was imperative (ie, the SMO against Ukraine). In subtle payback for that, Putin will no doubt reward Hungary, much to the latter’s benefit. Smart guy, true patriot, Orban.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 11:00 utc | 210
Ukrainian journalist in exile Anatolii Sharii:
”Orbán carried out a brilliant operation. I think it will be comprehended by the office of the president (of Ukraine) in two weeks.”
Sharii believes Zelensky was set up when he rejected a ceasefire proposal from Viktor Orbán.
“Orbán delivered the proposal on behalf of China and the Global South.
Now Zelensky is seen as the obstacle for peace.
It was obviously understood that Zelensky would reject the proposal and which is exactly why Orbán made it to begin with for Zelensky to reject it publicly.
https://x.com/talkrealopinion/status/1809170424615277015“
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 10:50 utc | 209
Completely agree.
Orban put the metaphorical noose around Z’s scrawny neck…
Maj. Gen. William F. Mullen was found dead. He “was recently in Ukraine reviewing military training there. No details on his death or how he was found were released” ( taskandpurpose.com/news/usmc-general-mullen-found-dead/ )
Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 11:11 utc | 212
There are rumors the speaker of Ukraine’s parliament Rada, Ruslan Stefanchuk and his family, who is currently the head of state of Ukraine, will receive American passport in October 2024.
As such, in a few months there will literally be no one left representing western interests.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 11:16 utc | 213
Dima: Orban Brings Zelensky’s Message To Putin
It is clear.
Putin wants peace, not victory.
Putin doesn’t care for dead Russian soldiers.
But Zelensky is even more stupid, unable to exploit Russian weakness.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 11:18 utc | 214
It is clear that he is begging for negotiations.
Russia is too weak and probably is unable to continue this war.
The west can finance this war endlessly.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 4 2024 22:20 utc | 105
This was the narrative one year ago.
What’s different this time?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 5 2024 1:20 utc | 143
Nothing is different, only The West is less afraid of Russia.
Stalemate.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 11:24 utc | 215
🇺🇸 USMC Major General William Mullen died in US immediately after returning from Ukraine 🤔. As I understand many US/NATO officers die in Ukraine, but later discovered in other places or accidents during NATO military training or else 🤷♂️
…
>Goes to Ukraine
>R-retires first
>Comes back home
>Immediately found dead before anyone can see him arrive.
😏
https://x.com/cirnosad/status/1809180880671551886
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 11:33 utc | 216
On the contrary vargas, the west is more afraid then ever. Their whole hegemonic status is beeing openly challenged by a “gas station“, and everythong they tried failed spectaculary so far.
Only thing they can do is escalate, not because they are “not afraid of putin“, but because of neccessity. They cannot do diplomacy because the whole world now sees them as agreement incapable. They refuse to talk, because they painted themself into a corner. Now their only exit is escalation. They rather go down with this ship then to sit on a table and say: “lok, we messed up.“. The loss of face would be of epic proportions.
This is what fear looks like.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 11:38 utc | 217
“Now Zelensky is seen as the obstacle for peace”
No, because no one in EU or US wants peace in Ukr. Today, everyone from Ursula to Borel and other EC clowns announced that Orban must be on a “private” visit to Russia, his trip was not approved and does not represent EU in any way. Scholz said yesterday there can’t be any ceasefire.
So Orban only revealed once more that Ukr is only a kamikaze.
Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 11:47 utc | 218
@ Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 9:52 utc | 201
I actually analysed the 2019 results compared to the 2024 results.
2024:
LAB:412 from 9.7m votes, CON: 121 from 6.8m votes, LD: 71 from 3.5m votes, SNP: 9 from 0.7m votes, REFORM: 4 from 4.0m votes, The Rest 33 from 8.2m votes.
Registered voters: 47.6m, turnout 67%
2019:
LAB: 203 from 10.3m votes, CON: 365 from 14.0m votes, LD 11 from 3.7m votes, SNP: 48 from 1.2m votes, REFORM:n/a, The Rest 23 from 2.7m votes.
Registered voters: 48.2m, turnout 60%
The left largely stayed together but the right were horrendously split. The Conservatives imploded (Liberal Democrats and Reform benefitted), the SNP imploded (Labour benefitted). I concur with your analysis.
Posted by: Kaiama | Jul 5 2024 11:52 utc | 219
Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 11:47 utc | 218
I think the relevant issue here is EU/US/EC want a ceasefire so they can rearm Ukraine to fight again soon because they simply have not enough weapons that can make a critical difference. All those fancy ADs which are too few are destroyed in small penny-packets with no real gain. Zelensky just said they have 14 new ‘volunteer brigades’ ready to go, but no weapons.
Most likely the idea is EU would go into ‘war economy’ mode to build stuff in peace for a few years and re-equip joint UkroNato army to attack again in a few years.
However, the way things are going, they certainly will not get to retain any sort of coherent Ukraine. It might splinter, even some central parts of Ukraine as the events with Zelensky/Rada exhaustion pan out. Russia can start arranging even more popular votes in regions which are free to do what they want, at least in theory.
But who knows, hard to predict how things pan out.
Most likely they will try to make Zelensky some sort of ‘exile government’.
Another likely option, as voiced by one of the political Ukro insider channels is, US is dumping Ukraine onto EU, and that is why they placed Ursula VDL and Kaja Kallas in charge to guarantee the EU will continue dishing out all necessary funds to Ukraine and ‘militarizing’, which essentially is essentially buying everything from American industry. It will take at least end of the decade to really militarize EU, if Ukraine war stops today. If it doesn’t, it will take longer / never happen.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 12:01 utc | 220
@Vargas
Take a bit of friendly advice. You’re letting yourself be too easily led by Western lies and propaganda. Use that skepticism that God have you.
Remember that YOU are the target of propaganda.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 5 2024 12:10 utc | 221
This is what fear looks like.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 11:38 utc | 217
You say: they arecnow afraid as they only escalate…
Is it not so that the ability to escalate means that they feel no restriction any nore, that they do not carecwhat Russia would do as they consider Russia weak and limited?
Considercwhat thay can do. So many things, starting with attacking Kaliningrad. Even if Russia would respond nuclear in Poland that would still be a victory for USA as they would not care about it.
The west is like a decompensated psycho.
No fear, no restraint, no moral, no limits.
I am afraid of them, so Russia must also be aftaid.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 12:13 utc | 222
Orban find an elegant way to bypass the eurocrats absolute EU ostracism against Russia and will be punished for that attempt by the band of Brussels’s morons. I can already see Ursula at the next EU council meeting paraphrasing Gretta Turnberg : “How dare you ?”
Elections around the globe won’t change the western goals regarding Russia in this conflict, even with the Donald at the WH : they needed the Russian money or any form collateral fast before the bankrupt but Russia said “Niet means niet” and stroke first.
The only hope for 404 is a genuine coup that shouldn’t take much longer as everyone there is fed up with the situations. The only happy kokhols lefts are the ones living in Monaco and they won’t spend a dime for “their country”. Just a few weeks/month left for the Banderistan. As I stated earlier ; after the EU elections and before the US ones.
Last thing : Hellensky’s “14 Brigades on the rear” is no laughing matter, the guy just confessed there are some banderist (14) extremist ready to strike the West if they don’t give more money (and more weapons). Terrorist one day. Bad calculus, there’s no use in being the richest man of the graveyard.
Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 5 2024 12:20 utc | 223
No vargas. The west fears. Remember a cornered animal will lash out randomly, radically and without thinking, because it is afraid of one that drove it into that position.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 12:21 utc | 224
Speaking of AD systems for ukraine, yesterday or the day before, blinken made a remark how the top priority for patriots is to defend places in ukraine where the us made heavy investments. I am not sure if this was mentioned here, or in another comment section, but it was interesting nontheless.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 12:27 utc | 225
blinken made a remark how the top priority for patriots is to defend places in ukraine where the us made heavy investments
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 12:27 utc | 225
A truthful statement from Anthony is quite rare like an eclipse.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jul 5 2024 12:34 utc | 226
No vargas. The west fears. Remember a cornered animal will lash out randomly, radically and without thinking, because it is afraid of one that drove it into that position.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 12:21 utc | 224
But the west can escalate and they do that every day.
The ability to do something terrible is a sign of immense power and self confidence. That have no limits, no moral restrictions. They can do anything. Like the guards in nazi camps.
How psychopaths can be restricted? Only by fear, and they are unrestricted. Who would not be afraid of that madness, of that pure wil to act by destroying, stealing, cheating…..
And yet they do it.
Their populations unable or do not want to change the course.
I conclude: they have no fear (from Russia).
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 12:40 utc | 227
As ever, there are only 2 things to say:
1. Smert Fashistum
2. Ruskaja Armija Vsech Silnej
God Bless Vladimir Vladimirovich and his team.
Posted by: OldFart | Jul 5 2024 12:41 utc | 228
Kayama @ 219
Thanks for that confirmation and support.
Much respect
Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 12:48 utc | 230
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 10:50 utc | 209
Anatolii Sharii is worth listening to and promoting, he’s someone who genuinely fled the country into exile as a critic, unlike Arestovich, on whom I posted info in ukraine-open-thread-2024-155.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 12:52 utc | 231
Remember – the NATO sh1t-stain summit is in four days.
Such things demand a whole pack of lies because there are no battlefield victories to speak of by Ukraine.
So expect the lies to get worse for the next few days.
Remember also that these are the same psychopaths who lie about Genocide in Gaza.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 5 2024 12:52 utc | 232
Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 0:55 utc | 139
Inki | Jul 5 2024 2:38 utc | 157
Guess I’m taking the phrase “based on Istanbul agreements” too literally.
“No NATO”/ neutrality is certainly non-negotiable, so it’s just the question which regions will have referenda (again?) on whether to belong to Russia or Ukraine. It was originally intended for only Donetsk and Lugansk, but that’s certainly not up to date. A possible agreement would thus be a combination of Istanbul + Putin’s June 14th peace proposal.
Tories are out, Americans couldn’t care less about Ukraine, and EU wants peace. Hope.
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Passerby | Jul 5 2024 8:47 utc | 196
Thanks for the additional info. Seems to confirm there’re no “new contracts” being negotiated.
As for reduced consumption, I wouldn’t discredit that path.
When gas was “dirt cheap”, of course there was a lot of wasteful consumption, i.e. a completely overblown chemical industry in Germany. Never made sense in a country without raw materials or abundant energy. Good riddance. The projected figures for 2027-2030 are obviously just vague estimates, in order to have some kind of basis to plan infrastructure needs etc.
Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 12:53 utc | 233
Forwarded from Two majors
#Summary for the morning of July 5, 2024
▪️Russian Armed Forces yesterday struck enemy warehouses in Odessa and Ilyichevsk . An explosion was also heard in the area of the Odessa airport. Secondary detonations were reported at the sites.
▪️In Crimea, amid the missile threat, a bridge was closed several times at night, and there were reports of downed air targets in the Berdyansk area of the Zaporozhye region. At night, air defense was active in the Rostov region , and 10 Ukrainian UAVs were shot down. In the Krasnodar region, as a result of a UAV attack in Primorsko – Akhtarsk, there are casualties. Six people were hospitalized, and the operation of a power substation supplying a significant part of the city was disrupted.
▪️In the Kharkov direction, the Ukrainian Armed Forces took separate actions in the area of the settlements of Liptsy and Tykhoye . Radio intercepts of enemy communications indicate a shortage of trained personnel among the Ukrainian Armed Forces units in the direction.
▪️In the Toretsk ( Dzerzhinsk ) direction, the Russian Armed Forces are expanding the control zone near the villages of Druzhba and Kirovo .
▪️In the eastern part of Chasov Yar (Kanal microdistrict) the remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units have been knocked out. The enemy is taking up defensive positions west of the Seversky Donets-Donbass water canal.
▪️West of Avdiivka , the Russian Armed Forces are decisively building on their success after taking a stronghold near the settlement of Sokol in the direction of the settlement of Voskhod . High-intensity battles are taking place along the entire length of the front.
▪️South of Maryinka our troops reached the outskirts of Konstantinovka west of Paraskovyevka . The battles for the enemy’s important logistics hub continue. Meanwhile, in Krasnogorovka the Russian Armed Forces continue to storm the northern part of the city.
▪️The Zaporizhzhya Front reports an intensification of offensive actions by the Russian Armed Forces in the area of Rabotino and Nesteryanka in recent days. Enemy drones are a serious factor in this section of the front as well.
▪️In the Kherson direction, the Russian Armed Forces are fighting in the island zone. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are setting up ambushes and sending in DRGs. The enemy confidently controls the area from the air due to its multiple superiority in drones.
▪️In the Belgorod region, the Ukrainian Armed Forces shelled many peaceful settlements yesterday. On the Borisovka-Baytsuri highway, a drone dropped an explosive device on two cars. Four civilians were injured: two men, a woman, and a 12-year-old child.
▪️The intensity of enemy strikes in the Kursk region is not decreasing . In Tyotkino, Glushkovsky district, a Ukrainian copter dropped an explosive device on a residential building, a local resident was injured by shards of broken glass. The enemy is systematically knocking out the power supply infrastructure and agricultural enterprises.
▪️As a result of Nazi strikes on Gorlovka and Donetsk in the DPR with NATO-made barrel artillery, one civilian was killed and three were wounded.
The report was compiled by: Two majors
Elimination of the Magyar unit. Kherson region. Final.
For a long time we were tracking FPV drone operators from the Magyar unit, they are very valuable personnel for the enemy, besides, they got on our guys’ nerves in Krynki, and this fact requires satisfaction.
They managed to hide for some time, but even the most cautious always makes a mistake, forgets to turn off Starlink, allows himself to talk on WhatsApp, and does not always monitor information hygiene.
Thus, we found the FPV drone operators in the settlement of Gavrilovka, found out that for security reasons they prefer to be in different buildings, and sent them a winged cast iron.
We believe that in this case we knocked out a strike😁
Two dozen valuable Nazi nits have gone, we will find the next ones too.
source: @NgP_raZVedka
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 12:57 utc | 234
In november 2023, Russia captured a HIMARS missile. Shortly afterward the effectiveness of HIMARS dropped.
Now Russia has captured an ATACMS missile. There’s a nice video on the RIA Novosti channel on telegram – search for ATACMS. Expect the effectiveness of ATACMS to drop soon.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 5 2024 12:59 utc | 235
More food for thought:
An interesting point of view is how the Americans can respond to our actions, for example, in the form of shooting down NATO reconnaissance aircraft in the Black Sea, and how they can regulate the level of escalation of the ongoing air defense:
❗️ A US reconnaissance plane is again near Crimea. Three powerful responses from the West if we shoot it down
Yes, the head of the Pentagon called Belousov. Yes, Belousov publicly called on his subordinates in the Ministry of Defense to attend to the issue of flying American drones in the Black Sea. Yes, for several days they did not fly there at all.
But firstly, now they have different tactics. At first, an English RC-135 with a crew and a cover of two fighters was an eyesore.
And after that, a Boeing P-8A Poseidon spy plane was spotted in Romanian airspace. In the company of the flying tanker Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker, which refueled the air spy. It was noted that the American’s task was electronic reconnaissance on the territory of the Russian peninsula.
An active military pilot and the host of the Fighterbomber channel writes that attacking reconnaissance aircraft with weapons is not even in theory.
It didn’t even apply to drones, let alone airplanes.
And now the question. Why didn’t you stand with drones? What are we afraid of? After all, the majority believes that if we shoot down, nothing will happen. No Third World War will begin. In general, everything will be as light as with the Houthis.
And this is where the question comes in.
Experts believe that there are three options for how the United States will respond to this. And this is precisely why our military-political leadership fundamentally avoids any sudden movements towards the Americans.
Few people talk about this in the public space, but Russia is very weak in the World Ocean. In addition, our economy is heavily dependent on exports. The combination of these two factors gives the United States the broadest opportunities to escalate the conflict in a format convenient for them.
Firstly, Washington may start hunting for tankers from our “shadow fleet” that carry oil for export in circumvention of sanctions. The “shadow fleet” is one of the few windows through which our economy receives large volumes of foreign currency. We need currency to purchase huge volumes of electronic components used for the production of aircraft, anti-aircraft systems, missiles and many other types of weapons.
The second possible American response is the destruction of our contingents in Africa. Surely everyone knows that Russia is successfully ousting the French and even the Americans themselves from the Dark Continent. The process is progressing confidently, but right now our forces in Africa are not comparable to what the Americans can put up against them. Advancement in African countries is seen by our leadership as a long-term priority that will bear fruit for decades to come.
In the most severe case, the option remains to liberate our Baltic territories from the Chukhon regimes with a quick blow. But exchanging access to vast Africa with its colossal resources for the premature return of an endangered patch of the Baltic states is a very bad idea.
The third option is to establish a naval blockade. The Russian fleet is weak, and we will not be able to do anything if NATO decides to block the exits from the Baltic and Black Seas. In this scenario, Russia will immediately lose the bulk of its foreign trade. And there are no options on our part to unblock the straits without starting a full-scale nuclear war.
The blockade of the Kaliningrad region should also be included here (as a sub-option). In 2022, Lithuania already blocked railway connections with the region. If the blocking of land routes is supplemented with mining of the sea, we get a very difficult situation, which is not clear how to solve without a major European war.
As you can see, none of the possible US responses is a direct outbreak of world war, but these actions can be very sensitive for us. So, when we don’t hit an American drone – for Sevastopol, for Novocherkassk, for the Crimeans and our Black Sea Fleet, we need to understand what consequences our command is calculating. (c)
Of course, any such approaches must have our responses. Have to search.
Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 13:05 utc | 236
Orban’s arrival in Moscow is a de facto resumption of peace talks
Viktor Orban’s unplanned visit to Moscow to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin can safely be called a restoration of dialogue for a peaceful settlement of the conflict in Ukraine. This is supported by the fact that Orban arrived in our capital immediately after meeting with Zelensky in Kiev.
The public never learned any real details of the meeting with the owner of Bankova (only the traditional statement by Yermak’s confidants that they would not make territorial concessions to Ukraine), which means that the talks could have been about ending hostilities and Hungary’s participation in this process as a country with the capacity and political will to conduct a dialogue with both sides of the conflict.
In addition, the fact that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and the head of the first negotiating group Vladimir Medinsky were present at the meeting plays in favor of the version about the start of peace talks.
Whether this will lead to real changes in international politics is still a big question. At the moment when journalists noticed the Hungarian Prime Minister’s plane heading to Russia, Borrell issued an urgent statement that such a visit was an initiative within the framework of bilateral cooperation between Budapest and Moscow, and not the entire European Union.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 13:08 utc | 237
Of course, any such approaches must have our responses. Have to search.
Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 13:05 utc | 236
Excellent, do you have a link to the source of that article?
The author is to be commended for attempting to inform, rather than reflexively defend sources of authority or patronage, with arguments of the form move along, plebs.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 13:22 utc | 238
Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 13:05 utc | 236
it is clearly stated in this post above how and why Russia is afraid of the west
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 13:23 utc | 239
The Telegraph
Zelensky U-turns as he invites Russia to attend peace summit without giving up land.
This is a trap for Russia.
I think Putin and oligarchs want to be able to eat ice cream in Florence as soon as possible.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 13:30 utc | 240
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 13:22 utc | 238
Name is Yurij Barantchik t.me/barantchik
Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 13:34 utc | 241
Neutrality
Apologies for the following long copy/paste and links but I think it’s valuable so here it is.
Pascal Lottaz has a website called “Neutrality Studies”. He’s a PhD (I think) prof originally from Switzerland, born in 1981, has lived in Japan for 20 years, has lots of youtube vids. The latest is almost 2 hrs long and explains/talks about his efforts:
“We are forming a global alliance against globalism, and neutrality studies is part of that. Don’t get confused, let’s just life with the contradiction.
This morning we held a first panel of independent social media contributors, discussing the new multipolarity we are now in, why we think that the collective west is being collectively stupid about it, and what we—and you—can do to oppose the lunacy.
The Basics:
A) Multipolarity is not only an emerging reality, it is also a preferable foundation for global order.
B) Neutrality is an important tool within the overall mix of how nations view themselves and position themselves in the context of integrated and indivisible security.
C) NATO is a dangerous organisation and its expansion globally is undesirable and contrary to achieving a sustainable peace.
Work in progress. More here: Multipolarpeace.com
Contributors:
Dr. Warwick Powell
Dr. Pascal Lottaz: Neutrality Studies
Jerry Grey: Jerry’s Take on China
Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/@jerrystakeon…
Arnaud Bertrand:
Twitter, https://twitter.com/rnaudbertrand?s=2…
Dr. Jeff Rich: Burning Archive
Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzmI…
Substack, https://jeffrich.substack.com
Dr. Digby Wren
Substack, https://substack.com/@digbywren
Dr. David Oualaalou: Geopolitical Trends
Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/@geopolitical…
S.L. Kanthan
Substack, https://slkanthan.substack.com
Twitter, https://twitter.com/kanthan2030?s=21&…
Einar Tangen
Linkedin, https://www.linkedin.com/in/ehtangen/…
Dr. John Pang
Twitter, https://twitter.com/jynpang?s=21&t=Oe… ”
Pascal’s focus is not “sitreps”. Mostly diplomatic, lots of interviews of people in various parts of Europe, all related to the war in Ukraine. He’s not “pro-Russian” but his bedrock commitment to neutrality supports their core position (IMO) of mutual security for all. Bottom line, Russia wants to be neutral. Lots of the above people on the long zoom are ex pats, some living in China. Here’s the zoom link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg8_YXt580c
Posted by: migueljose | Jul 5 2024 13:34 utc | 242
That is a pretty delusional piece. Russia does not negotiate with EU on anything related to Ukraine, because EU is a powerless lapdog of US and as such irrelevant.
They will only talk with the US, but problem is there is no one to talk with in the US (currently). So the only path is to continue.
unimperator | Jul 5 2024 10:07 utc | 203
That’s only partly true imo. While US/UK throw their weight around, the EU has little say (q.e.d.). But once Washington loses interest and redirects its focus and resources, it basically says to EUrope “We’re done with that mess, do as you see fit.”.
It happened in early 2015 with Minsk II, and we seem to be approaching that moment again.
EUrope doesn’t – cannot – want an out-of-control war right on its border. It has been biding its time, trying to prevent all-out escalation and limit internal fissures. EUrope doesn’t need US help to negotiate an end to the war – it needs the US to step aside and ‘dump the war on Europeans’.
London alone isn’t strong enough to prevent that outcome, even though it’ll keep trying.
(nb, instead of saying “the EU”, it would be more correct to speak about its member states. The EU as such has no foreign policy, its ‘foreign policy representative’ being a spokesperson rather than a foreign minister.)
Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 13:42 utc | 243
Name is Yurij Barantchik t.me/barantchik
Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 13:34 utc | 241
Great, thank you!
Here’s also a link to the source Yurij Barantchik quotes:
https://ilyavaliev.livejournal.com/9514106.html
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 13:57 utc | 244
I think the relevant issue here is EU/US/EC want a ceasefire so they can rearm Ukraine to fight again soon
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 12:01 utc | 220
So they send Orban but don’t admit it publicly? Didn’t think about that, it could be. Somehow they have to trick Putin again to stop or retrat, and Putin already said, yesterday I think, he won’t unilaterally do another ceasefire. He also said that legally there is no one to talk to in Ukr which to me it sounds like there is no longer interest in temporary solutions or a Minsk 3.
I think it’s more plausible that nato will continue exactly like before since there’s nothing causing any problems (Germany announced their third Patriot today, probably Israel will send 8 more next month), and first wave of f16s will try to hit mostly civilian or some other targets for propaganda to create internal problems in Russia. At the same time it’s clear some missile system will be planted in Finland in the new 15 or so American bases which are in addition to nato bases and the potential UK bases, from their separate deal.
Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 14:02 utc | 245
No, because no one in EU or US wants peace in Ukr. Today, everyone from Ursula to Borel and other EC clowns announced that Orban must be on a “private” visit to Russia, his trip was not approved and does not represent EU in any way. Scholz said yesterday there can’t be any ceasefire.
So Orban only revealed once more that Ukr is only a kamikaze.
Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 11:47 utc | 218
I agree rk. The current EU and US/UK powerbase is not in a mindset to beg for peace. Why? Simply because they don’t suffer enough yet. The Ukrainians, the ordinary people, have had enough of it (even Zelensky fears the film might have an unhappy ending). One purposes of war is to force an opponent to review it’s mindset. The war in Ukraine is beginning to meet that goal within Ukraine but Syrsky and Ermak still want to believe in a miracle coming from Brussel.
Putin is shooting himself in the foot by sending ambiguous messages like he said recently that, if sone conditions were met, he might consider a ceasefire. Putin has experienced on multipoe occasions that the US is non agreement capable. The US institutions have not yet been restaffed and they remain non agreenent capable. Putin practices martial arts and he has shown to be a patient master, so I can just wait and see what comes out of that visit by Orban.
Orban likely has other issues to discuss with Putin, other than an elusive ceasefire agreement and Brussel does not like that prospect.
Posted by: Richard L | Jul 5 2024 14:09 utc | 246
TJandTheBear | Jul 4 2024 13:55 utc | 5
*** Globally: Idiot warmongering “leaders” getting killed at the ballotbox ***
Not in the UK. Starmer having won immediately robot-droned on about increasing so-called “defence”. The seat-losing Shapps went on about “defence” and protecting (what?) alleged democracy in Ukraine. Considerably defeated — but retaining his own seat — Sunak also drivelled about spending more on “defence”.
Clear what their multi-labels priority is … inflicting a big and everlasting war.
All the fucking shit-filled neoliberal yankee-sucking zio-pig same.
Curse the lot of them.
*** VAX injuries & deaths being exposed.***
However many of the public now doubt the previous Pfizer/Moderna death concoction, most will still obediently herd off to get the next great-panic “solution” injected anyway.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 5 2024 14:14 utc | 247
Is it just me, or do the reactions to Orban’s Moscow visit appear well-coordinated – and rather uniform?
“just a personal visit”
“not coordinated with EU partners”
“not speaking on behalf of EU”
etc.
Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 14:19 utc | 248
Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 14:19 utc | 248
The Ukrainians are apparently very upset that Orban didn’t tell them he was going to Russia. I get a kick out of these people who act like he needs their permission to do whatever he wants. He’s the head of a sovereign (sic) state. Ukraine can’t stop him from doing anything. It’s like when Stoltenberg confidently says ‘Sending [a, b, c weapon] will not make NATO a party to the conflict.’ I don’t think that’s his decision to make. Russia will decide when NATO becomes party to the conflict.
Posted by: Caveman | Jul 5 2024 14:43 utc | 249
Putin – Orban meeting – Russia’s position has not changed from what Putin stated publicly, this is currently unacceptable for Ukraine so the conflict proceeds.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 5 2024 14:46 utc | 250
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/37300
Orban said that he “told the Russian president about President Zelensky’s reaction to the ceasefire proposal.”
At the same time, Peskov said that there has been no progress in peace talks yet.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 15:22 utc | 251
Auch im deutschsprachigen Raum gibt es noch journalistische Restunabhängigkeit und Restintelligenz:
Weltwoche
Schnappatmung in Brüssel: Politik und Medien sind ausser sich, dass Viktor Orbán nicht nur wallfahrtmässig nach Kiew, sondern auch nach Moskau fährt. Dabei macht er genau das Richtige
Wolfgang Koydl
Vor 2 Stunden
Schnappatmung in Brüssel. Was bildet sich dieser unsägliche Ungar eigentlich ein? Wer glaubt er denn, dass er ist?
Fährt dieser Viktor Orbán doch nicht nur nach Kiew, wie es alle wallfahrtmässig tun, sondern – mir nichts, dir nichts – auch nach Moskau. Darf er das überhaupt?
Bild, Leibblatt der Lehnstuhl-Strategen, fand wieder mal das richtige Wort: Dreist.
Ja, inzwischen ist es dreist, wenn jemand Blutvergiessen, Leid und Zerstörung beenden will. Unverschämt ist nicht, wer mit immer neuen Waffen Öl ins Feuer giesst. Unverschämt ist, wer vermittelt.
Diese Umkehrung aller Werte wird nur noch – wie üblich – übertroffen von der Heuchelei: Orban habe als Ratsvorsitzender kein Mandat, für die EU zu sprechen.
So pingelig war man nicht, als die Regierungschefs Spaniens und der Niederlande als Ratsvorsitzende für die EU im Nahen Osten auftraten. Sie biegen es sich eben zurecht, wie sie es brauchen.
Wir wissen nicht, wie gross Orbáns Chancen sind, ob er eine Botschaft von Selenskyj Putin überbringt.
Was wir wissen: Wir sollten ihm die Daumen drücken und ihn nicht beschimpfen.
There is also residual journalistic independence and residual intelligence in German-speaking countries:
WELTWOCHE
He does exactly the right thing
Wolfgang Koydl
Gasps in Brussels. What is this unspeakable Hungarian actually imagining? Who does he think he is?
This Viktor Orbán not only goes to Kiev, as everyone does on a pilgrimage, but – nothing to me, nothing to you – also to Moscow. Is he even allowed to do that?
Bild, the armchair strategist’s favorite publication, once again found the right word: Brazen.
Yes, it is now audacious for someone to want to end bloodshed, suffering and destruction. It is not impudent to add fuel to the fire with new weapons. Whoever mediates is disgraceful.
This reversal of all values is only surpassed – as usual – by the hypocrisy: As Council President, Orban has no mandate to speak for the EU.
People weren’t so fussy when the heads of government of Spain and the Netherlands appeared as Council Presidents for the EU in the Middle East. You just bend it the way you need it.
We don’t know what Orbán’s chances are if he delivers a message from Zelensky to Putin.
What we know: We should keep our fingers crossed for him and not insult him. (Google Translate)
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Jul 5 2024 15:26 utc | 252
🇭🇺 Statements by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban at talks in Moscow
🔻Key statements by Vladimir Putin:
▪️The negotiations were intense, “ a useful conversation took place ”;
▪️Russia and Hungary continue to cooperate in a number of areas based on the principles of healthy pragmatism and mutual benefit;
▪️The commissioning of new units of the Russian Paks NPP in Hungary will provide consumers with inexpensive and clean energy;
▪️The sponsors of the so-called Ukraine continue to use it and the Ukrainian people as a battering ram and a victim ;
▪️The Kiev regime does not allow the very idea of ending military operations, since then the pretext for continuing martial law will disappear. And if it has to be lifted, then it will have to hold elections;
▪️The chances of winning the elections for the Ukrainian leadership, which has lost its legitimacy, are close to zero ;
▪️Russia sees that Kiev is not ready to give up on waging war to the end ;
▪️Moscow insists on the complete withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from all new regions of Russia; there are other conditions for peace, they are the subject of consideration in the course of possible joint work;
▪️Russia advocates a complete and final end to the conflict .
🔻Viktor Orban’s main statements:
▪️Hungary will soon become the only country in Europe that will be able to conduct dialogue with both Russia and Ukraine;
▪️The main task in the coming six months of our European Presidency will be the fight for the peace that Europe needs today;
▪️The positions of Moscow and Kiev are very far from each other;
▪️”I wanted to hear and I heard Putin’s opinion on three important issues: what he thinks about peace initiatives, about a ceasefire and peace talks, in what sequence they can be held, and thirdly, the vision of post-war Europe.”
#Hungary #digest #Russia
@rybar
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 15:31 utc | 253
Anytime there is a reference slipped in to Putin’s $200 billion and multi yachts etc. ( supposedly ) it right away raises a flag for me.
A lot of effort was put in to establish this meme in the MSM in the West.
It was and is so prevalent that many now start to claim it to be a fact ( as proof of their efforts? ), or others through ignorance have accepted it.
Posted by: Dimbot9630 | Jul 5 2024 15:41 utc | 254
David Axe’s new headline:
‘Ukraine’s new F-16 fighters jets will be destroyed as soon as they arrive’
This probably means they were already destroyed.
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1809207392103473375
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:08 utc | 255
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/17249
Good news (on 80km FABs). Too bad it’s bullshit.
But yes, we have a UMPK more powerful than the 500, which can fly such distances in good wind conditions.
And yes, work on upgrading the UMPK (read: increasing its range) is being done around the clock, and the results will be out soon.
While the accuracy of the flights is acceptable, of course we need to squeeze everything possible out of the UMPK.
In fact, it is now the main weapon of at least operational-tactical aviation, and perhaps of all our armed forces.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 16:19 utc | 256
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 16:19 utc | 256
On yesterdays Military Summary video, here was a geolocated video of FAB-500s hitting AFU defensive lines dug in tree lines with extreme accuracy, probably 1m CEP. The tree line was obliterated.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:22 utc | 257
Ukraine Weekly Update, 5th July 2024: May be Useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-fc0
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Jul 5 2024 16:23 utc | 258
Take 1 via Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13596493/Putin-prepared-SHARE-Crimea-Ukraine-according-new-peace-plan-presented-Russia-US.html
Vladimir Putin is ready to share sovereignty of Crimea with Ukraine, according to an astonishing ‘new peace plan’.
The dictator sent his trusted interior minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev to the US with new proposals to end the war that the dictator started, say sources in both Moscow and Kyiv.
Despite being sanctioned, Kolokoltsev was allowed into the US ostensibly to attend a UN meeting of police chiefs.
But this was a ruse allowing him to travel to Washington on a VIP plane from Putin’s presidential fleet to transmit to the US government the dictator’s real demands for a peace deal, it is claimed.
Take 2 via Badlands News:
Our Take: There’s a LOT here, but the overall point I want to drive at is that both Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin have effectively proposed the same peace plan for the Russia-Ukraine war.
Both say Ukraine should remain a sovereign (proxy state) nation.
Both say Russia should not encroach across the Dnieper River.
Both (and this is the kicker,) think Ukraine should stay away from NATO.
Now, that last point isn’t something Donald Trump is espousing publicly (yet,) but it is something he’s positioning himself to actualize by putting NATO on watch for his second (public) administration, during which he plans to withdraw from the alliance unless the EU “allies” contribute as much to the defense bloc as the US does on a proportional basis.
If the post above is true
(Vladimir Putin is ready to share sovereignty of Crimea with Ukraine, according to an astonishing ‘new peace plan’. )
Russia is already defeated.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 16:32 utc | 260
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2024 16:25 utc | 259
Trumps plan to shift all funding burden from US to EU will lead to the fact that EU will carry a larger trade deficit with the US. In conjunction with losing trade with Russia and China, will drive the Euro exchange rate down, increase general inflation in Europe, in conjunction with fiscal deficit rule of 3% of GDP, declining GDP, all this does not bode well for the future of Eurozone. They have to cut social expenditure even more than otherwise to transfer that money to US (MIC).
If inflation goes noticeably higher there will be very large problems and dissent in major EU countries will increase further. The recent elections were a wake-up call to this, and what did EU do? Dilute all the results through backdoor deals to keep the old liberal-centric parties in power and ignore everything. So nothing will change and the boiling pressure will increase.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:36 utc | 261
@261
‘Trumps plan to shift all funding burden from US to EU ‘
meant… ‘Trump’s plan to transfer all funding burden of NATO to EU’
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:37 utc | 262
If inflation goes noticeably higher there will be very large problems and dissent in major EU countries will increase further.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:36 utc | 261
There shall be no dissent.
Look at the human cattle.
They are more or less happy.
They have their phones.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 5 2024 16:53 utc | 263
Apologies for the seesaw narrative on negotiations, it’s what’s being reported:
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/9868
The Telegraph: “Zelensky U-turn as he invites Russia to attend peace summit without giving up land.”
Certainly an interesting change in tone..
(Paywall) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/04/ukraine-zelenskyy-russia-peace-talks/
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 16:55 utc | 264
RUAF has struck Voznesensk air base in Mykolaiv oblast. Big Serge comment:
Ukraine’s strategic crisis is pretty simple. They can’t stop the Russians from working through their defenses in the central Donbas, they can’t stop UMPKs from falling all over the front, and they can’t stop Russia from striking powerplants and airbases. Rough way to fight a war.
https://x.com/witte_sergei/status/1809269386089492830
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 17:00 utc | 265
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 5 2024 14:14 utc | 247
One WEF idiot replaced with another, but my statement still stands as the Zelensky curse took Sunak out. B thinks Starmer won’t be far behind.
The diehard vax & mask crowd will always be followers but hopefully a little more hesitant to drink the koolaid next time.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 5 2024 17:04 utc | 266
Putin is shooting himself in the foot by sending ambiguous messages
No, he’s the cat playing with mouse.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 5 2024 17:05 utc | 267
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:37 utc | 262
Perhaps the decision has been made to transition from Barry Posen’s first plan (1994) “A Defense Concept for Ukraine” to his second (July, 2022) “Ukraine’s Implausible Theories of Victory: The Fantasy of Russian Defeat and the Case for Diplomacy”, the first having run its course.
I don’t get why more people don’t take the implications of Posen’s 1994 article seriously. Given its publication date and frankly astounding prescience, a certain perspective on how rigged long-term geopolitical developments can be is called for.
(Brief summary)
https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/ukraines-implausible-theories-victory-fantasy-russian-defeat-and-case-diplomacy
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 17:09 utc | 268
What is not being discussed is the knife through the heart of NATO requirement of Russia…..Ukraine not part of NATO.
How is empire going to control Russia and China if they can’t have land based aircraft carriers next to the countries like Ukraine and Taiwan?
Empire is also losing its land based aircraft carrier in Occupied Palestine.
Yes, a trifecta of empire losses is on the event horizon. Which domino is going to fall first? Ukraine looks likely but Occupied Palestine is escalating rapidly…..stay tuned, July is young yet
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 17:16 utc | 269
“Take 1 via Daily Mail:”
____
— the Daily Mail is the Weekly World News without space aliens. Not even British Wikipedia will cite it as a credible source.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 5 2024 17:44 utc | 270
It’s kind of sad seeing anyone fall for the lies of the UK Yellow Press. Such a thing is equivalent to a basic IQ test. If you cannot see that:
(1) “Shared” sovereignty of a territory is a contradiction in terms; and
(2) such attempts to resolve past conflicts like the Palestinian issue have failed spectacularly; and
(3) Crimea is Russia and to give it away after winning it militarily and politically would be like the IS announcing that Spain is going to take control of Florid; and
(4) the lying liars like Blinken and Stollenberg probably planted this lie; and
(5) they be motive to lie as it makes weak-minded folks cry “Putin stupid and weak!”
Then you might want to sjust donate your cerebellum for “science.” That way we can all study what makes a person so gullible and
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 5 2024 17:58 utc | 271
Sorry for all the typos. IS = US.
Last sentence should read :
“Gullible and susceptible to propaganda.”
Telegraph = Dog squeeze wrapper.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 5 2024 18:01 utc | 272
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 5 2024 17:58 utc | 271
Crimea, Donbass, Lugansk are off the table forever.
Most likely Zaporozhye, Kherson and Azov sea coast are non-negotiable too because the referendums were held and they are .
So the negotiations actually starts with anything where referendum hasn’t been held. The interesting part occurs as Zelensky fades into history, and Verkovhna Rada runs out of its term. Theoretically all the regions are free to do what they want, albeit in practice of course they will use SBU/Nato/Nazis to suppress everything in Ukraine.
But I don’t think mobilization in Ukraine will get any better than it already was regardless however much they threaten with SBU.
Most likely scenario IMO is what I said some months ago. The population will simply scatter from Ukraine, both to west and east, and the core state will kind of fade into history, excluding the western press will still try to keep the notion of Ukrainian state in existence in headlines. State without population.
Putin said many years ago that Ukraine and Russia handing each other passports is a good thing as it eventually leads to both becoming one.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 18:10 utc | 273
@ Ghost of Zanon | Jul 5 2024 17:58 utc | 271
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes, and —
1. Putin lacks the authority to compromise on Crimean sovereignty; and
2. Even if he had such authority, no amount of “dictator” powers could spare him from a tidal wave of outrage.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 5 2024 18:15 utc | 274
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes, and —
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 5 2024 18:15 utc | 274
Agreed. Someone in the west obviously floated that BS. Perhaps the real point of discussion was Odessa…
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 5 2024 18:20 utc | 275
JPB@ 202
“…text in bold is interesting. they did not apply the same logic during their Swiss cheese “peace” conference.”
Not only that, Orban just came from a meeting with Zelensky. He stands to have the very best and most-current position on a ceasefire, straight from the (theoretical) head of the Ukrainian government. Why does all of the EU – including warhag Von Der Leyen – have to be involved? They know little or nothing of what was discussed. I recall Macron predecessor Nikolas Sarkozy had a penchant for jetting off to strike international agreements entirely on his own, and he was regarded as some kind of super-diplomat. The core of the argument is that Orban is supposedly ‘pro-Russian’ – can’t have him giving away the store without supervision.
Not that it will make any difference; Zelensky knows Ukraine is getting thrashed to death but will not do business with Putin supposing it costs every life in Ukraine, and Putin will not do business with Zelensky because to accept leaders staying on past their mandate on the excuse that it’s just too difficult to hold an election right now only encourages more of the same.
Mark my words; all you fuckers will be ‘pro-Russian’ to one degree or another, with your customary impeccable timing – before it’s over, and after it’s too late.
I should also add that a DuckDuckGo search on “”daily mail” putin health” retrieves, at the top of the results page, three alarmist and totally fraudulent Daily Mail articles.
Reliable source, that Daily Mail is. /s
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 5 2024 18:23 utc | 277
Black Mountain Talks with colonel Trukhan. He has historically had very clear pin point precise analysis of things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO1u26X1bOo
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 18:56 utc | 278
“– Putin called the complete withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Donbass and Novorossiya one of the conditions for ending the conflict“
I was not able to watch the presser, but did he really say this, or “new regions“ as stated in a prior comment by anon2020?
If this is not a translation error, then this would also include odessa etc?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 5 2024 19:11 utc | 279
I said this before if one million Papua New Guineans lived in Odessa Russia would have to take it. I don’t think there is any discussion in the admin and MoD, zero, nada. Odessa has proven to be an existential military threat to Crimea and to Russian movement in the Black Sea, that supersedes everything. Maybe if Ukraine, NATO, and the USA totally implode from the hybrid war and agree to Putin’s security terms from before the SMO Odessa might remain in Ukraine but even then, west is perfidious and relentless like a cancer, for Russia to be secure for the next century Odessa must be Russian and garrisoned.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 5 2024 19:17 utc | 280
Odessa must be Russian and garrisoned.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 5 2024 19:17 utc | 280
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Making it into a great NATO port is just not an option. Pretty fundamental by now.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 5 2024 20:12 utc | 281
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2024 16:25 utc | 259
To read and worst, to report the propaganda of the corrupt medias is bad for one’s mental health.
So my question: why do you report such lies? To give food for the trolls? Or?
Posted by: Naive | Jul 5 2024 20:46 utc | 282
N.B. it’s SCO not BRICS. One foot in NATO other in SCO, only Turkey could pull it off:
Erdogan is considering the possibility of Turkey joining the SCO
The Turkish leader told reporters about this on board the plane returning from the summit in Astana. According to him, Ankara considers it appropriate to further develop relations with Russia and China within the organization.
Erdogan believes that Turkey needs to move from the status of a dialogue partner to the status of a full member of the SCO. He cited Iran and Pakistan as positive examples.
“>https://t.me/llordofwar/362593
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 5 2024 22:08 utc | 283
@282
@259 is feeding trolls so that young goats are safe crossing bridges
Posted by: paddy | Jul 5 2024 22:09 utc | 284
Dima says the entire battalion defending New York was completely defeated.
A lot of bombing now in central Chasov Yar.
14th mechanized brigade was reportedly defeated in Kupyansk.
92nd brigade was defeated in Hlyboke-Liptsy area, after RUAF managed to repel all AFU attacks in Hlyboke.
In four days there are reports of four destroyed brigades, 92nd, 14th, 206th battalion and soon 95th brigade deployed to Toretsk.
US is also preparing to put Azov brigade in charge of Ukraine.
The only option for Zelensky is he needs to either remove martial law or go to constitutional court to obtain a legal approval that he is a legitimate president.
Zelensky extended martial law for 90 days in May 15th. So if he does it again on August 15th, he will be nobody but an expired president.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 22:49 utc | 285
Dima:
-four brigades reported completely in last four days, including in New York, Hlubove and Kupyansk
-RUAF defeated all AFU attacks in Hlubove
-heavy bombing of central Chasov Yar
-US continues plan to replace Zelensky with Azov brigade
-Zelensky needs to either go to constitutional court to obtain official document that he is still president, or cancel martial law, he can’t extend it again by August 15th
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 23:00 utc | 286
David Axe’s new headline:
‘Ukraine’s new F-16 fighters jets will be destroyed as soon as they arrive’
This probably means they were already destroyed.
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1809207392103473375
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 16:08 utc | 255
———————————————
The Russians destroyed a few airfields which were designated for F-16 refurb and possibly flight/combat ops. Maybe, there were also a few airplanes, parts and mechanics around. They made multiple trips which peaked my interest.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 5 2024 23:45 utc | 287
Colonel MacGregor just made a stunning post about an unconfirmed report. I checked some other sources but saw nada. Anyway …
BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports now indicate Joe Bidən may have had a medical emergency on Air Force One..
This story is developing..
https://x.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1809375863823008254?s=19
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2024 0:09 utc | 288
Two others posted earlier, here’s the one from the person a bit more well known.
Joe Biden is reportedly having a medical emergency on Air Force One right now.
Press access has been removed.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1809372071870205963?s=19
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2024 0:16 utc | 289
Mark my words; all you fuckers will be ‘pro-Russian’ to one degree or another, with your customary impeccable timing – before it’s over, and after it’s too late.
Posted by: Mark | Jul 5 2024 18:21 utc | 276
Been pro Russian from Day One and proud of it. Funny to watch the side switchers in real time, though.
Posted by: comrade simba | Jul 6 2024 0:28 utc | 290
Final update from me unless something more definite comes my way. Latest word is that there are conflicting reports, with one suggesting there’s nothing to see here.
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1809384088601784617?s=19
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2024 0:43 utc | 291
Is this the bucha confession we have waited for, unintentional I’m sure but this case isn’t looking good for NATO.
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/9872?single
“We were the police, we were the court, we were the firing squad, for that matter.”
The interrogation of a Czech mercenary, 27-year-old Philipp Seaman, in a Prague court shed light on what was going on in Bucha when the Russian military withdrew from it in March 2022
Posted by: Hankster | Jul 6 2024 0:55 utc | 292
@LightYearsFromHome | Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:08:00 GMT | 283
it’s SCO not BRICS. One foot in NATO other in SCO, only Turkey could pull it off:
It might be difficult to pull off. Since there is a military dimension to the SCO, Russia might object to a NATO member joining. Also, NATO might object to one of their members conducting regular military drills and having military coordination with Russia, China, and Iran. Erdogan might have to chose. My guess is he’s just using the SCO membership bid as leverage with NATO/EU/US.
Posted by: James M. | Jul 6 2024 1:00 utc | 293
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2024 13:08 utc | 237
That’s an interesting possibility. Bit if NAzTO tried a naval blockade of the Baltic Sea it’s not the case that Russia would be checkmated.
Set up the Venezuelan Franchise of Ansar Allah. Bye bye, Panama Canal trade route.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 6 2024 1:05 utc | 294
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jul 6 2024 0:43 utc | 290
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https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/video-of-biden-exiting-air-force-one-in-delaware-surfaces-amid-laura-loomers-medical-emergency-claims-article-111526715
Scratch Laura Loomer.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 6 2024 1:06 utc | 295
Breaking!
Putin calls for ‘complete end’ to Ukraine conflict | Russia-Ukraine conflict
https://www.rt.com/russia/600523-russia-wants-end-ukraine-conflict/
Posted by: Elber | Jul 6 2024 2:11 utc | 296
There’s a report from Tom Fitton that our zombie in chief is resigning Monday the 8th.
Saw it repeated on MSN.com, judicial watch, The Western Journal.
Complete BS? Media greasing the skids? Some type of veiled threat to Joetato?
Place your bets.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 6 2024 2:17 utc | 297
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 6 2024 2:17 utc | 296
“European leaders ‘stunned’ by Biden’s accelerated aging – WaPo
Multiple leaders have concluded that Joe Biden “can’t win” in November, sources told the newspaper”
https://www.rt.com/news/600538-biden-age-european-leaders-worried/
Posted by: Elber | Jul 6 2024 2:24 utc | 298
Posted by: Elber | Jul 6 2024 2:11 utc | 295
Putin’s speech is a political defeat for NATO; put NATO leaders in a slow motion and raise Victor Orban’s morale! Meanwhile, the Ukrainian army is ousted!
Posted by: Elber | Jul 6 2024 2:34 utc | 299
Orban’s visit is a brilliant move in the context of the power struggle in brussels ahead of the French election.
Imagine if the extreme right could deliver on the geopolitical/diplomatic stage. The panic is visible from the mainstream media but also in politico.eu, where the complete absence of a democratic system in the EU institutions appears even more evidently in the article announcing the visit yesterday morning.
Le Pen is much closer to Orban than Meloni, who got close to VdL. This is due to the Italian extreme right DNA, which is a Mussolini cult, with lots of Hitler nostalgia too and an anti abortion stand which is not found in Le Pen. The focus of the Italiak neofascists is the fight against communists and antifa, which reveals their strong links to Gladio (recently an Italian alt media infiltrated the youth movement of Meloni and filmed with hidden cameras some meetings… a reference is made to Bologna and the NAR group which committed the attack).
But Le Pen knows that a lot of her new voters in France during the last 20 years are ex-communists who have seend their jobs delocalized to Eastern Europe or their factories closed down.
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 6 2024 2:43 utc | 300