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July 4, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-157
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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How long until the North Korean troops mutiny and march on Moscow? Posted by: Suresh | Jul 4 2024 21:49 utc | 101 If this is what it says it is Ukraine’s end is months away not years: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 22:02 utc | 102 Dima: Posted by: unimperator | Jul 4 2024 22:09 utc | 103 You proved nothing. Why are you criticizing good people here? Posted by: Zet | Jul 4 2024 22:14 utc | 104 Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that the 2022 Istanbul agreements remain “on the table” and can serve as a foundation for peace negotiations with Ukraine. Posted by: vargas | Jul 4 2024 22:20 utc | 105 Breaking! Posted by: Elber | Jul 4 2024 22:22 utc | 106 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 22:02 utc | 102 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 4 2024 22:22 utc | 107 Ukrainian forces withdraw from Chasiv Yar – but only the eastern part, mind; so it’s not exactly a ‘retreat’. Hey – remember when Viktor Orban sparked gleeful speculation that he was ‘stabbing Putin in the back’ when he went to visit Zelensky the other day? I’d heard it was a major occasion because Zelensky had ditched his flannel ensemble in favor of something more adult and presentable, but I’m afraid all the official photos I’ve seen show him dressed as if he had been surprised by Orban’s arrival when he was taking out the garbage. Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas talks about Russia: Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 22:47 utc | 110 Posted by: Zet | Jul 4 2024 22:14 utc | 104 Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 111 The centuries old families running Europe are racists, supremacists, and retrograde nazis but the politicians they hire Macron, Meloni, Kalas etc are just a bunch spivs. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 112 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 112 Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:06 utc | 113 By the way: Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:08 utc | 114 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 112 Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:12 utc | 115 Niave @ 95 Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2024 23:16 utc | 116 It’s beyond ‘projection’ now – the PR narrative wallies to their stenographers are suffering from some psychosis, the BBC is running a story that it’s is the Russians who are sending Meat Waves 5 times a day and losing 1500 meat left on the battlefield !! Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2024 23:26 utc | 117 By rule the bbc are not allowed to discuss the election on polling day. Polls closed at ten. The first comment from the bbc news…..”an earth qauke just happened” Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2024 23:30 utc | 118 Cross-posting from Naked Capitalism and the Palestine thread.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 4 2024 23:37 utc | 119 Mark @ 109
Well of course not, how were they going to develop their ICBMs under cover of peaceful space exploration and going to the moon and go on to build their own world domination nazi army if they had killed them all? 🙃 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:40 utc | 120 “Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that the 2022 Istanbul agreements remain “on the table” and can serve as a foundation for peace negotiations with Ukraine. Posted by: jr | Jul 4 2024 23:42 utc | 121 The UK election situation is really complex,(full stop) Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2024 23:44 utc | 122 Posted by: Mark | Jul 4 2024 22:24 utc | 108 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 4 2024 23:47 utc | 123 Imho, Belarus = Russia. Kaliningrad = Russia. Play with B or K get free R. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 23:49 utc | 124 Imho, Belarus = Russia. Kaliningrad = Russia. Play with B or K get free R. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 23:49 utc | 125 To elaborate, the gadgets or electronic wizardry used to down the drones without a shot fired could be as ‘easy’ as having broken the communications encryption used and sending bad instructions. Leaving those drones on loitering stations endlessly was probably fine when your ‘fighting’ ragtag militias. But with a peer opponent they can learn a lot by isolating the traffic coming from the device, you know? They’ve exposed valuable assets like the hubristic clowns they are. And Russia deciding to down them is a very good sign indeed for humanity…either the Russians are no longer worried about NATO intervention or perhaps sending yet another signal to NATO if they do anything they’re going to get repaid in kind, painfully. But this is all speculation of course. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 0:13 utc | 126 Sorry, to be clear not because the Russians were afraid of NATO reaction, but afraid of exposing those methodologies too early on, in case NATO jumps in, to use a modernism. Now they’re not afraid, meaning either they don’t think NATO will jump in, or aren’t afraid of exposing those methodologies because they have better newer versions as backup. A signal it could be too but seems doubtful they’ve already sent plenty of those. I think the Russians have decided to let the battlefield do the talking. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 0:19 utc | 127 Passerby | Jul 4 2024 17:19 utc | 45 Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:20 utc | 128 Zet | Jul 4 2024 22:14 utc | 104 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 0:24 utc | 129 @125 Posted by: paddy | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 130 In karlof1’s latest (thanks Karl) about Putin’s post SCO presser there is this quote
Chew on that for a minute. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 131
For the same reason that I say something to someone who lets their dog crap on the grass in a public park. Yes, most people who have dogs wouldn’t think of letting their pet do that, but there’s always the exception, and something needs to be said to clowns like that, because they ruin it for everyone else. And I noticed that a number of posters were trying to ‘reason’ with this particular French clown, so I decided to dump on him. Yes, trolls like Napoleon and Vargas present a quandary. Are they really that stupid, or are they cynical manipulators? I’ve notice that both of them usually begin a comment with a sweeping generalization that they can never back up, making anything they say after that total nonsense. So its total crap from the get go. Possibly someone like napoleon is so thoroughly stupid that he lacks sufficient intelligence to realize just how dumb he is, a poster child for Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They can’t be shamed. At any rate, it’s not that I’m trying to flaunt my ego, I’m not a regular poster, I just get sick of reading their idiotic crap. Trying to reason with them is pointless, they need to be told that they are fucking morons. Posted by: Mike R | Jul 5 2024 0:26 utc | 132 zet@104 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 0:27 utc | 133 L.Y.F.H.@2304 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 0:34 utc | 134 Putin’s comments on a negotiated end. These seem to be directed at the Americans. A negotiated end can only be through the Americans. The bobbling heads of Europe have no power. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 0:47 utc | 135 It was never about territory. Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 136 Trying to reason with them [the trolls] is pointless, they need to be told that they are fucking morons. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 137 Tom Q. Collins@2237 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 0:51 utc | 138 smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 136 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 0:55 utc | 139 I could be wrong, though. 🙂 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 5 2024 0:57 utc | 140 “Oh shit! If this isn’t election manipulation, what is?” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 1:08 utc | 141 PeterAU@047 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 1:10 utc | 142 It is clear that he is begging for negotiations. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 5 2024 1:20 utc | 143 aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 1:10 utc | 142 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 1:22 utc | 144 Even shadowbanned left after many many pile-ons (not saying he deserved it though). Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:24 utc | 145 Apparently wwp is shouting ‘uncle’. Posted by: merkin scot@gmail.co | Jul 5 2024 1:26 utc | 146 – other blogs which don’t have that problem (because they have reply threads you simply can skip over), MoA doesn’t have it Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:30 utc | 147 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 131 Posted by: eman | Jul 5 2024 1:34 utc | 148 This form is fine. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:38 utc | 149
This term was coined as a reminder of some similarly troubled times: Семибоярщина “Rule of the Seven Boyars” just to remind that it is always dangerous to forget your country’s history. Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 5 2024 1:39 utc | 150 Here we go with the posturing about Belarus and/or Kaliningrad being attacked/invaded. Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 5 2024 1:45 utc | 151 – the only answer imho is moderation Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:49 utc | 152 Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:49 utc | 152 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 2:01 utc | 153 A d of course i always skip as soon as i see anything about ww ii or some ism being the best or worst. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 5 2024 2:28 utc | 154 Was that you? Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 155 In karlof1’s latest (thanks Karl) about Putin’s post SCO presser there is this quote. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 5 2024 2:32 utc | 156 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 4 2024 13:55 utc | 5 Posted by: Mike R | Jul 5 2024 0:26 utc | 132 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 2:39 utc | 158 The Yanks and the Brits have stopped sending unmanned drones over the Black sea to spy on Russia, it would appear the reason for this is that the drones end up crashing as Russian military planes have found a way to down them without actually firing on them even with their transponders in the off position. Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 5 2024 2:40 utc | 159 Most barflies would support China in a massive air and land invasion against breakaway republic Taiwan. Taiwan is an island, so the invasion would necessitate saturation bombing, before any amphibious landing.
“once again encountered deception: all the [conditional troop withdrawal] agreements reached in Istanbul were thrown into the trash. And this has happened more than once.” Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 5 2024 2:50 utc | 161 “Other forms have their issues, like sometimes people all pile into the first post and it becomes an ever collapsing spiral of words until it is all jammed on the right side of the screen.” Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 2:56 utc | 162 And by read i mean i skip about 75% of posters, since i can tell who is who by the first or second sentence, and can tell if the post will have substance, good thought, or be just more crap. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:14 utc | 163 Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:49 utc | 152 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:30 utc | 164 I have found UWdude’s posts generally far above average. Sometimes slips but rarely. Always sincere. Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 3:36 utc | 165 “Group bias is not (necessarily) the same as group think. MoA is pretty damn tolerant of *good faith* alternative views.” Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 3:41 utc | 166 Please start skipping (replying) to me. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 3:41 utc | 167 I have found UWdude’s posts generally far above average. Sometimes slips but rarely. Always sincere. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 3:52 utc | 168 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 3:41 utc | 167 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 3:56 utc | 169 Yes, and ww ii and communism vs capitalism is off-topic masturbation. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 3:58 utc | 170 “For the same reason that I say something to someone who lets their dog crap on the grass in a public park. Yes, most people who have dogs wouldn’t think of letting their pet do that…” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:04 utc | 171 Wrong person…I hope? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:08 utc | 172
Noone fucking owes you evidence, theyre describing a consensus. I gave him the benefit of the doubt to start, until it became clear he was pushing a specific view. Its amusing how NAFO true believer types and the only slightly more sophisticated Western propagandists hover about this bar. The fact that the bar exists and gives Empire shitheels migraines so they shitpost is enough for me. I like to call out Empire shitheels imbecilic arguments, frankly. Shadowbanned was one such, possibly the best recent example of a propagandist empire shitheel. Through skewering his takes one also skewers all the fuckheads who employ the same tired sophistry. I do enjoy correcting the delusions of lesser men, such as the Western strategic leadeship. Sorry, not sorry…there’s only the entire rest of the internet for you to have Western propaganda repeated back to you, if that’s more your taste. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 4:12 utc | 173 “But I hope you’re not arguing in favor of lettin’ your dog crap on the grass in a public park and not fuckin picking it up.” Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 4:20 utc | 174 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 4:20 utc | 174 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:44 utc | 175 A nazi-“Ukrainian” attack on Kaliningrad would obliterate the US 🙂 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 5 2024 4:50 utc | 176 Shadowbanned was not a propagandist for US empire. Nor a sock puppeteer. He was pro-Russian anti-Maidan coup to the core. AS was RSH. The wrong people keep being banned here. It needs less bigoted bullies and less trolls but they seem to be the most popular posters for some unfathomable irrational reason. Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 4:53 utc | 177 That’s opening up a whole other can of worms now… Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 4:56 utc | 178 Jul 5 2024 4:56 utc | 178 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 5:01 utc | 179 So essentially,the failed effort to sacrifice the humans living *formally* now in the nation *formally* recognized as *Ukraine*, have been sacrificed for what? Posted by: Robert Michael Hope | Jul 5 2024 5:07 utc | 180 175 Posted by: Giyane | Jul 5 2024 5:09 utc | 181 scooped half of Ukraine’s prime agricultural land Posted by: too scents | Jul 5 2024 5:15 utc | 182 too scents 182 Posted by: Giyane | Jul 5 2024 5:36 utc | 183 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 4:12 utc | 173 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 5:49 utc | 184 Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:08 utc | 172 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 6:01 utc | 185 UK general election news ? Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:28 utc | 186 Hi Barflies Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 5 2024 6:34 utc | 187 A lot of strikes on Ukie airfields in the last few days, a number of aircraft destroyed or damage along with personnel. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 6:35 utc | 188 Liz Truss (ex pm lettuce) gone. Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:39 utc | 189 Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:39 utc | 189 Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 6:52 utc | 190 Closet trump supporters… i seee you. Disrupting every recent thread, cowards. b is unwell. Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:58 utc | 191 Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 5 2024 1:45 utc | 151
Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 7:14 utc | 192 Wisco @ 190 Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 7:17 utc | 193 @Boo | Jul 5 2024 7:14 utc | 192 Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 8:29 utc | 194 re. new gas contract, I’m not aware of any talks. If you have info, I’d very much appreciate.
European LNG market developments Posted by: Passerby | Jul 5 2024 8:36 utc | 195 re. new gas contract, I’m not aware of any talks. If you have info, I’d very much appreciate. Posted by: Passerby | Jul 5 2024 8:47 utc | 196 He was pro-Russian anti-Maidan coup to the core. AS was RSH. The wrong people keep being banned here. It needs less bigoted bullies and less trolls but they seem to be the most popular posters for some unfathomable irrational reason. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 9:13 utc | 197 Not many new events on Dima report. Probably the most important events are AFU is gradually losing its ability to support Vovchansk citadel as RUAF bombs the pontoon bridges and forces that could try to come in from the south. The bridgehead in Burguvatka expands, increasing risk for southern flank of Vovchansk. RUAF make some wedge toward Zherebets river (southern Kupyansk area). Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 9:26 utc | 198 🇰🇬⚡️Kyrgyzstan’s special services prevented an attempt to violently seize power in the country, the State Committee for National Security reported. – ISZ reports Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 9:47 utc | 199 Military Summary posted a video of TOS burning AFU positions in Pivnichne, which is effectively the citadel defending Toretsk. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 9:52 utc | 200 |
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