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July 4, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-157

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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How long until the North Korean troops mutiny and march on Moscow?
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Jul 4 2024 13:56 utc | 6
If you held your breath, definitely tomorrow, but I’m guessing you don’t have the conviction.
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It seems some nations are more real than others.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 4 2024 16:13 utc | 30
Duh.
Taiwan and ukraine
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 4 2024 18:50 utc | 69
Wow, Napo finally gets it! Oh, and don’t forget that fake Zionist place currently under genocidal occupation….
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Also, possibly O/T, lots of explosion in US occupied oilfield Dier ez Zur or Russian’s symmetrical response…

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 4 2024 21:49 utc | 101

If this is what it says it is Ukraine’s end is months away not years:
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/119367

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 22:02 utc | 102

Dima:
-RU destroyed a large complex of fuel containers in Poltava
-F-16 supposed to appear during July
-Zelensky announced new counter-offensive with 14 brigades – the catch is they don’t have weapons
-AFU could use these 14 brigades to replace losses and make normal rotations instead
-RU bomb Prechystvka heavily, which remains the most focused area of RU fire (W of Ugledar)
-Konstantinovka: bombarded with drones and artillery
-RU improved position south of Novoaleksandrivka taking more tree lines
-RU enveloping Novoselivka-Persha from the north
-RU entered Petrovska Goda in Nieu York, which is a hill west of the center according to reports, albeit there’s no geolocated proof yet
-If true then RU can control Nieu York – Stara Mykolaivka west-east road
-RU control the border between south and central Pivnichne
-RU consolidate east of Druzhba
-No update in Chasov Yar, RU captured entire micro kanal district some days ago
-RU could take a pause and consolidate Kleschevka-Kurdumyivka area and connect the Toretsk-Chasov Yar front
-RU making offensive recon in Makeevka, now they supposedly entered again and started cleaning it
-RU captured 40% of New York
-RU bomb AFU positions in Vovchansk
-RU maybe plan comprehensive attack from east and west of Vovchansk to envelope and squeeze AFU out of it (probably toward south)
-AFU has failed in its offensives to take control over the area east of Vovchansk, which is cutting their road from the east
-Clashes in citadel continue, RU maintains control of the aggregate plant (south of the citadel)
-RU improve their foothold across river between Burguvatka and Prylipka
-FAB-3000 used in Liptsy to thwart any staging of AFU offensive further north
-RU bombed AFU controlled treelines with FAB-500s with extreme accuracy
-Zolochiv: Sotnytskyi Kozachok border village under complete RU control, RU bombed AFU stronghold south of it
-RU captured Zhuravka few days ago
-RU bomb AFU position around Yunakivka
-RU make some bombing around Chernigov

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 4 2024 22:09 utc | 103

You proved nothing. Why are you criticizing good people here?
Your kind: do as I say, don’t do as I do. LOL.
By the way the starting point was the bombing of Donbass by the ukronazis.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 21:24 utc | 97
I’m criticizing calling them intelligent. Why? Because they clearly aren’t. There are a lot of knowledgeable people here, way more knowledgeable than myself BUT a lot of them are clearly as easily manipulated as Joe Moron on the street. If they’d be genuinely intelligent then they would recognize that they are being played and would simply stop wasting time.
That’s all and I certainly don’t want them to do as I say. I’m a nobody and the boss here is Bernhard. But I’m questioning their behavior. Feel free to go on if that makes you happy and you all have fun but don’t expect people to read that crap. There are other blogs which don’t have that problem (because they have reply threads you simply can skip over), MoA doesn’t have it so maybe it’d make sense to THINK before replying, especially when people already replied and said all that is needed.

Posted by: Zet | Jul 4 2024 22:14 utc | 104

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that the 2022 Istanbul agreements remain “on the table” and can serve as a foundation for peace negotiations with Ukraine.
It is clear that he is begging for negotiations.
Russia is too weak and probably is unable to continue this war.
The west can finance this war endlessly.

Posted by: vargas | Jul 4 2024 22:20 utc | 105

Breaking!
Zelensky’s team completely rules out meeting with Tucker Carlson
https://latamnews.lat/20240704/equipo-de-zelenski-descarta-por-completo-entrevista-con-tucker-carlson-1155925959.html

Posted by: Elber | Jul 4 2024 22:22 utc | 106

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 22:02 utc | 102
The Legitimnyi channel says the administration of Ukraine is basically playing whack-the-mole in trying to suppress all the new revolts here and there. They use SBU to localize and repress any revolts, but the temperature is increasing and a boiling point will eventually be reached.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 4 2024 22:22 utc | 107

Ukrainian forces withdraw from Chasiv Yar – but only the eastern part, mind; so it’s not exactly a ‘retreat’.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-war-latest-ukraine-withdraws-192438974.html
Please note the reason given is that defensive positions in the neighbourhood have been destroyed. It’s only been a week or so since The New Churchill was appealing to the world at large to not let Putin destroy Chasiv Yar, reducing it to rubble like Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
Do you know why that is? Because Ukrainian forces assume defensive positions and keep fighting, long after there is nobody left in the city but a couple of platoons of Ukrainian infantry, firing from the windows of buildings. If Russia is to avoid wasteful ‘meat assaults’ (I have to say, that always makes me laugh, as there is no reason for a well-sited and well-armed force to throw away lives when it can achieve its objectives by reducing defensive positions to rubble from a safe distance…oh, wait! That’s what it’s doing) it makes much more sense to grind the defensive positions to dust with artillery and bombs until there are no further indications of defensive activity. No reason other than desperation, that is. Is Russia desperate? I don’t see any signs of that, I’m afraid.
Ukraine, on the other hand…well, it’s always one magic weapon away from total, blinding victory. But how often has that happened already?

Posted by: Mark | Jul 4 2024 22:24 utc | 108

Hey – remember when Viktor Orban sparked gleeful speculation that he was ‘stabbing Putin in the back’ when he went to visit Zelensky the other day? I’d heard it was a major occasion because Zelensky had ditched his flannel ensemble in favor of something more adult and presentable, but I’m afraid all the official photos I’ve seen show him dressed as if he had been surprised by Orban’s arrival when he was taking out the garbage.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/viktor-orban-provokes-eu-anger-with-trip-to-meet-putin-in-moscow/ar-BB1pqzF1
Anyway, Orban went right on from there to meet with Mr. Putin in Moscow. Perhaps to express his contrition at having stabbed him in the back. Or, more likely, to press on with whatever efforts he is making to cobble together some kind of end to the war. Pretty easy to see why that would infuriate the EU, because that’s not supposed to happen until everyone in Ukraine is dead, disabled or too old to fight.
I’d take a real reflective, unbiased look at your alliances if I were you, Mr. Zelensky. The west did not make even the Nazis fight until there were no more left, and they certainly have never treated any of their real allies that way.

Posted by: Mark | Jul 4 2024 22:35 utc | 109

Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas talks about Russia:
>>>They are defining themselves through the empire, being the masters of that empire. And if people admire dictators, there is no obstacle in becoming one or submitting to one<<< Posted by: Passerby | Jul 4 2024 13:55 utc | 4 ------- Omg. Lol. Jeezuz. Does she not hear her own words as more relevant to US Empire aspirations and its own Doddering Dictator.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 22:47 utc | 110

Posted by: Zet | Jul 4 2024 22:14 utc | 104
Your kind: do as I say, don’t do as I do. LOL.

Nope. I did not say not to criticise. I asked you why you do… I guess you are clever enough to understand the difference.
I’m criticizing calling them intelligent. Why? Because they clearly aren’t.
It looks like two fallacies at the same time. Clearly!
That’s all and I certainly don’t want them to do as I say.
It looks like you are fooling yourself on several accounts.
I’m a nobody
If you say so…

Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 111

The centuries old families running Europe are racists, supremacists, and retrograde nazis but the politicians they hire Macron, Meloni, Kalas etc are just a bunch spivs.
I don’t have absolute proof of the latter, but here’s evidence of the former, from the horse’s mouth at that:
The Wealthy in Florence Today Are the Same Families as 600 Years Ago

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 112

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 112
Who controls the money controls the world.
(((Who)))?

Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:06 utc | 113

By the way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semibankirschina
Semibankirschina (Russian: семибанкирщина), or seven bankers, was a group of seven powerful Russian business oligarchs who played an important role in the political and economical life of Russia between 1996 and 2000. In spite of internal conflicts, the group worked together in order to re-elect President Boris Yeltsin in 1996, and thereafter to successfully manipulate him and his political environment from behind the scenes.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:08 utc | 114

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:04 utc | 112
Macron was put into place by the advice of Attali and Minc. Both jewish. He was employed by Rothschild before entering the French government. Program: to destroy the State, to privatise, to make impossible new nationalisations.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:12 utc | 115

Niave @ 95
Ask’s… what will Labour do regarding Ukraine ?
Answer… Labour will do what ever Israel tells them to do.
Take that to the bank.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2024 23:16 utc | 116

It’s beyond ‘projection’ now – the PR narrative wallies to their stenographers are suffering from some psychosis, the BBC is running a story that it’s is the Russians who are sending Meat Waves 5 times a day and losing 1500 meat left on the battlefield !!
I only saw accidentally as the went to check the Fix Narrative of The Great Knight Dope receiving a massive majority – with fewer votes than Corbyn got in both the other fixed by postal votes elections. Such a massive majority is needed for some purposes.
One of which is:
He has enough majority to get all the prospectus through and to deploy British Boots officially going on the ground – well we need to bring back the dead ahem, mercenaries, in bodybags so they can have their military funerals and payments to their families. The number must be well to hundreds by now and heading towards thousands.
The Knight Dope will follow it up with the extermination of the Palestinians because he is a ZioDalek who has the mannerisms and the evil voice of a Dalek. As that other illegal apartheid zionazi failing state, both go down the gurggler in a stinky diarrhoea mess.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2024 23:26 utc | 117

By rule the bbc are not allowed to discuss the election on polling day. Polls closed at ten. The first comment from the bbc news…..”an earth qauke just happened”
His opinion came from the exit polls.
A Labour land slide victory.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2024 23:30 utc | 118

Cross-posting from Naked Capitalism and the Palestine thread.
https://indi.ca/two-hands-of-white-empire/
Long and full of invective. This is a small excerpt.

The Face
America traditionally gives the corporate state a human spokesman in a public corruption festival they call elections. At this point, the job description for President has been reduced to ‘don’t be dead’, and they’re still struggling to find suitable candidates. Today, the Americans are running an 81-year-old war criminal against a 79-year-old common criminal, with an 82-year-old also war criminal as a token ‘leftist’. Biden, Trump, and Bernie are the visibly dying relics of an invisible Empire that’s already deceased. The 2024 election is a fight over who gets to be the death mask on the sarcophagus of American Empire and that’s about it.
The human spokesman is supposed to market corporate empire using whatever the state religion is that day. First they were crusading for Christ, now they’re carbon-crusading for ‘democracy’, neither of which they believe in. Does Coca-Cola believe in or even have a concept of ‘fun’? It’s all just mendacious marketing, machines lying for lucre to drive their own metabolic processes, which humans call profit. The deep cynicism is such that the worst slavers packaged and marketed Freedom© (now in convenient bomb form!) and the worst warmongers marketed themselves as peacemakers, bringing Democracy™ and Human Rights®️ (also available in bombs, obviously). The marketing was so good that America was able to push themselves as the saviors of Chinese Muslims, literally a Venn diagram of people they hate. But now the packaging is peeling off and floating face down in the shipping lanes they’ve lost control of (shout out Yemen). Even if America’s human spokesman could talk, what would he say?
The relentless American weaponization of the Holocaust (which they historically gave a shit about) has been historically blunted by their literal weaponization of another holocaust in Palestine. America is arming the child-killers of ‘Israel’ to the teeth, and the blood is all over the White Empire, ruining its superpower of invisibility.
Meanwhile the spokesman of White Empire is visibly dead and what he speaks for is the visibly dying we’ve been witnessing for nine months now. Just the unrelenting slaughter of innocents, live-streamed every single day. Any moral authority America had has been buried by the immoral authoritarianism of its conscript colony ‘Israel’. America’s lying face has been ripped off in Palestine and all that’s left is a cannibal corpse of predatory corporations, devouring children and doing lines of filthy lucre to feel anything. Anyone that feels anything wants to Yassin-105 them in the face.
The Left Hand Of Whiteness
If you look at the map of White Empire again, you can see how it stretches across the Pacific on one hand and the Atlantic on the other. We will discuss the left hand of whiteness first (to invert Le Guin), what you could call the eastern front of America’s forever wars.
After assimilating the Nazis into NATO and deporting the Jews to ‘Israel’ (as was the Nazis penultimate plan), America continued Hitler’s ultimate plan, which was killing commies. Hitler hated (and killed) communists much more than the Jews, and America continued doing this quintessentially Nazi shit for decades. This is why I say that World War II didn’t end in 1945 but actually continued till 1991, if your heart is not ‘cold’ towards the dying of colored people.
Even immediately after 1991—when there was no further need for NATO—America continued pushing its line of contact with Russia further and further east, on the assumption that Russia couldn’t and wouldn’t do anything about it. Russia said this expansion was a red line, and American foreign policy thinkers agreed on this, but the dumbest motherfuckers in Washington failed upwards and replaced them. Hence we ended up in this century with NATO pushing its presence all the way up to Russia’s border and pushing Ukraine’s neighbor-friendly government out and its menfolk into a cannon. America laid the table for war and acted surprised when they got their just desserts from Russia.
Now NATO matériel lies humiliated on the steppes of Ukraine and NATO men are too scared to even take the field (officially). For the first time, the borders of White Empire have been pushed back, which is catastrophic for what is fundamentally a Ponzi scheme. Ukraine has lost half of Ukraine and its actual enemies in the West are publicly abandoning hope of reclaiming it.
The American military-industrial complex made a big show of ‘helping’ Ukraine while merely helping itself. What we have here is a moment of ‘naked lunch’, what William Burroughs described as “the frozen moment when everyone sees what is on the end of every fork.” America hasn’t faced a peer army since World War II, and now they have in Russia, and lost. This ruins what is most essential for running this planetary extortion racket, which is appearances. Now the entire western world is beginning to see what the rest of the world has known, because it’s happening to (honorary) white people in Europe.
Modern American has never won a war, its matériel has been historically defeated by men with ball bearings and balls for decades, and its men have no place training anybody in anything except war crimes and deploying fully operational Burger Kings within 24 hours. America marketed Ukraine as a display of its superior firepower, but Russia has burnt their fingers to stubs. America has lost in Ukraine like it has lost everywhere else in living memory, leaving nothing but a trail of unnecessary dying to make some share prices go up.
Colonization is, at its core, a Ponzi scheme. As long as colonization keeps expanding, the scheme keeps going, but the minute it starts contracting, it’s curtains. Colonization is either expanding or collapsing, it is inherently too unsustainable for any form of stasis. As Woody Allen wrote, “A [abusive] relationship, I think, is like a shark. You know? It has to constantly move forward or it dies. And I think what we got on our hands is a dead shark.”
Thus the white-supremacist gun buyers club cum extortion racket called NATO worked as long as it was expanding. As long as it devoured former Soviet satellites and organized periodic murder tours of the Global South, it seemed like a fun club to join, and a dangerous one to be without. But the minute NATO picked on someone its own size vis-à-vis Russia, the jig was up. America fucked around and Europeans found out…..

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 4 2024 23:37 utc | 119

Mark @ 109

I’d take a real reflective, unbiased look at your alliances if I were you, Mr. Zelensky. The west did not make even the Nazis fight until there were no more left

Well of course not, how were they going to develop their ICBMs under cover of peaceful space exploration and going to the moon and go on to build their own world domination nazi army if they had killed them all? 🙃
Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 4 2024 23:40 utc | 120

“Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that the 2022 Istanbul agreements remain “on the table” and can serve as a foundation for peace negotiations with Ukraine.
It is clear that he is begging for negotiations.
Russia is too weak and probably is unable to continue this war.
The west can finance this war endlessly.”
Posted by: vargas | Jul 4 2024 22:20 utc | 105
I don’t know if they taught you the American expression “knee slapper” at your troll school, but you got a good one right there.

Posted by: jr | Jul 4 2024 23:42 utc | 121

The UK election situation is really complex,(full stop)
Basicly, beyound doubt the torys just got their arse handed to them on a plate.(hurray)
Labour looks likly to double their MP’s (seats) so far with sevral seats counted it looks like the exit polls will be right.
If you follow this listen carefully how the bbc cover over the massivly low turn out ….
Nearly 50% havent voted….
Thats a protest.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 4 2024 23:44 utc | 122

Posted by: Mark | Jul 4 2024 22:24 utc | 108
Anyone thinking these front line garrison cities are still inhabited and using it as an excuse of ‘humanitarian crisis’ haven’t been following/don’t know what they’re talking about and are not worth listening.
As far as on ‘who’s side time is on’, it’s pretty obvious the west is desperate. Russia can spend 2 months reducing whatever front line city they deem necessary, because in reality, there is no more stronger army coming from the rear. Nato simply has no real army to challenge Russia in these front lines in east Ukraine. They have a few mercs and specialist operating Nato weapon systems, but 99% of meat is Ukrainians. Ukrainians are nearly killing mobilization officers. That means recruits dry up, and most of them will try to surrender ASAP. Then it’s over for Nato, they have no longer anyone from whos behind they can make attacks.
IMO Russia has gradually intensified actions everywhere, and AFU can no longer recover. They are playing a whack-the-mole game, trying to plug one part, then another part starts leaking, then they plug that, then the first one starts leaking again, and then more another, third, and before you know it your bulkheads are half way flooded. That is how it goes.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 4 2024 23:47 utc | 123

Imho, Belarus = Russia. Kaliningrad = Russia. Play with B or K get free R.
I can’t help thinking that all the moves around that area are either posturing or some diversion subterfuge, neither of which will result in a single shot fired, let alone WWIII. I think the West’s primary M.O. is just to appear strong, needle and hassle Russia IN ANY WAYS THEY CAN, for as long as they can. NATO, as the representive security force of xx million Eurpeans, knows full-fucking-well that those Europeans do NOT want or need NATO to start WWIII on their behalf nor on behalf of that toilet 404.
My big picture … which helps me sleep at night: The West makes constant statements and moves to escalate, all with no intention of ever inducing WWIII; Putin makes constant statements and moves to de-escalate all with the resolve to engage in WWIII if someone else starts it. End result — brinkmanship all the way to peace … in Russia’s favour.
I could be wrong, though. 🙂

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 23:49 utc | 124

Imho, Belarus = Russia. Kaliningrad = Russia. Play with B or K get free R.
I can’t help thinking that all the moves around that area are either posturing or some diversion subterfuge, neither of which will result in a single shot fired, let alone WWIII. I think the West’s primary M.O. is just to appear strong, needle and hassle Russia IN ANY WAYS THEY CAN, for as long as they can. NATO, as the representive security force of xx million Eurpeans, knows full-fucking-well that those Europeans do NOT want or need NATO to start WWIII on their behalf nor on behalf of that toilet 404.
My big picture … which helps me sleep at night: The West makes constant statements and moves to escalate, all with no intention of ever inducing WWIII; Putin makes constant statements and moves to de-escalate all with the resolve to engage in WWIII if someone else starts it. End result — brinkmanship all the way to peace … in Russia’s favour.
I could be wrong, though. 🙂

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 23:49 utc | 125

To elaborate, the gadgets or electronic wizardry used to down the drones without a shot fired could be as ‘easy’ as having broken the communications encryption used and sending bad instructions. Leaving those drones on loitering stations endlessly was probably fine when your ‘fighting’ ragtag militias. But with a peer opponent they can learn a lot by isolating the traffic coming from the device, you know? They’ve exposed valuable assets like the hubristic clowns they are. And Russia deciding to down them is a very good sign indeed for humanity…either the Russians are no longer worried about NATO intervention or perhaps sending yet another signal to NATO if they do anything they’re going to get repaid in kind, painfully. But this is all speculation of course.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 0:13 utc | 126

Sorry, to be clear not because the Russians were afraid of NATO reaction, but afraid of exposing those methodologies too early on, in case NATO jumps in, to use a modernism. Now they’re not afraid, meaning either they don’t think NATO will jump in, or aren’t afraid of exposing those methodologies because they have better newer versions as backup. A signal it could be too but seems doubtful they’ve already sent plenty of those. I think the Russians have decided to let the battlefield do the talking.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 0:19 utc | 127

Passerby | Jul 4 2024 17:19 utc | 45
unimperator | Jul 4 2024 17:28 utc | 48
EU gas comes from western Siberian fields. There hasn’t been any “shift to the east” yet, at least not in terms of pipelines. Some LNG plants are being built in the Arctic, but they’ll hardly handle the same quantities.
That’s why ‘Power of Siberia 2’ is such a big deal: Unlike the first PoS, it would connect western Siberia to China, thus “diverting” gas which used to go to Europe. China seems reluctant to finalize the deal, from what I understand. Apparently Beijing is unwilling to close the door on the EU.
re. new gas contract, I’m not aware of any talks. If you have info, I’d very much appreciate.

Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:20 utc | 128

Zet | Jul 4 2024 22:14 utc | 104
Well said. There’s intelligence, there’s knowledge, and then there’s wisdom — which few ever bother to mention (or acquire).
There’s assessed IQ; assessed EQ; intellectual (ie, learned) knowledge; experiential knowledge (ie, street smarts). ALL of which are mutually independent and of variable quanta in every person on the planet — such that we see here PhD professors who can’t not reply to moronic provocations, and ignorant and/or intoxicated bigots wasting sensible people’s time with their late night, basement, verbal diarrhoea. Go figure.
And yeah, I agree this forum’s form of comments is totally shit and half the problem. It’s worse than the old BBSs of the fkn early 90s at 4800bps dial up, in which I used to be a sysop, where, through judicious volunteer moderation, we kept the place totally clean of trolls and shitposts. Well, mind you, there were FAR LESS trolly idiots back then, and most internet users had an idealism of developing the web to RAISE human intelligence. Not anymore.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 0:24 utc | 129

@125
NATO is run by a senile puppet. Hell of a way to start Armageddon!

Posted by: paddy | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 130

In karlof1’s latest (thanks Karl) about Putin’s post SCO presser there is this quote

Vladimir Putin: As for global security, I just said. We need to wait until the new administration [of the United States] appears, understand what their preferences, views, plans are, and whether they have a desire to talk about this. I repeat once again: this signal is sent to us from time to time, that they want to resume this dialogue with us. And then they suddenly disappear somewhere, start talking about some abstract topics that are not directly related to issues of strategic stability. I repeat once again, let’s wait until the new administration is formed and understand what its plans and preferences are. I want to repeat once again that we are ready for this.

Chew on that for a minute.
My immediate response was, “Does that mean he is going to suspend the SMO until then?”
Then I thought, “Oh shit! If this isn’t election manipulation, what is?”
Others thoughts?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 131

Um, if people here are really intelligent, then why do they reply to obvious trolls all the time? . . .
Posted by: Zet | Jul 4 2024 21:02 utc | 91

For the same reason that I say something to someone who lets their dog crap on the grass in a public park. Yes, most people who have dogs wouldn’t think of letting their pet do that, but there’s always the exception, and something needs to be said to clowns like that, because they ruin it for everyone else. And I noticed that a number of posters were trying to ‘reason’ with this particular French clown, so I decided to dump on him. Yes, trolls like Napoleon and Vargas present a quandary. Are they really that stupid, or are they cynical manipulators? I’ve notice that both of them usually begin a comment with a sweeping generalization that they can never back up, making anything they say after that total nonsense. So its total crap from the get go. Possibly someone like napoleon is so thoroughly stupid that he lacks sufficient intelligence to realize just how dumb he is, a poster child for Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They can’t be shamed. At any rate, it’s not that I’m trying to flaunt my ego, I’m not a regular poster, I just get sick of reading their idiotic crap. Trying to reason with them is pointless, they need to be told that they are fucking morons.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 5 2024 0:26 utc | 132

zet@104
“…when people have already replied”. That statement overlooks the possibility that the offending comment drew an immediate response several posters down the line. The tricky part would be to read all the previous responses and then circle backwards to the original posting.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 0:27 utc | 133

L.Y.F.H.@2304
Good point about those 600 year reigns of ruling clans in “Firenze”. Rome, though, holds the title, with several families still in the catbird seat since Imperial times. Leading clan is the Orsinis, who have produced numerous Cardinals as well as a Pope or two or three.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 0:34 utc | 134

Putin’s comments on a negotiated end. These seem to be directed at the Americans. A negotiated end can only be through the Americans. The bobbling heads of Europe have no power.
Putin was not interested in negotiating with the Biden regime as there was nobody to negotiate with, but now we are looking at regime change in the US so the comments are directed at whoever is installed as the public face of the US, or perhaps more to the point, directed at those who will install the new public face.
I suspect Russia is ready to go either way depending on who is installed. If US chooses to continue the war, then I suspect Russia will hit far harder. At the moment Ukraine can continue to exist as a rump state but this is its last chance. Orban seems to have sensed this moment but which way it goes depends on who is installed as the next farcical emperor of the American empire.
The war continues and what was known as Ukraine ceases to exist.
Just in the course of this war, to date, Russia has developed and deployed many new weapons. Who knows what comes next, what is now ready to go into production and deployment?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 0:47 utc | 135

It was never about territory.
LoveDonbass | Jul 4 2024 16:02 utc | 27
malenkov | Jul 4 2024 15:17 utc | 22
It wasn’t. But 4 ex-Ukrainian region have been formally integrated into the RF, and I’m sure Moscow will not re-negotiate this. Still, Putin wouldn’t speak lightly about the possibility of a deal “based on Istanbul agreements”. So I’m puzzled. ‘Based on’, except for the territorial aspect?

Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 136

Trying to reason with them [the trolls] is pointless, they need to be told that they are fucking morons.
Posted by: Mike R | Jul 5 2024 0:26 utc | 132

Mike, I did try that on days 1, 2, 3 after Vargas first appeared (look it up). But it didn’t work with him. But it HAS worked against others in the past though. Even shadowbanned left after many many pile-ons (not saying he deserved it though).
And you’re 100% right, some are just too stupid and shameless to realise how stupid and shameless they are. And given that many here incessantly feed the trolls, the only answer imho is moderation. But that would bring out the fanatical First Ammendment bots and those who fear an echo chamber of group-mindedness.
So we have what we have. Shrug.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 137

Tom Q. Collins@2237
As for the “White Empire”, the sobriquet strikes me as being a bit racist. It must be borne in mind that the U$$A’s WarDefense Industry is not specifically and totally an American production. The largest WarDefense racket in the world is Lockheed-Martin, the primary shareholders of that extremely profitable operation happen to be London Bankers. More specifically they are not headquartered in Metropolitan London, per se, but in the oh, so secretive independent statelet, roughly the same size as the Vatican and Monaco…known locally as “the City” or “the Square Mile”…but more precisely as City of London.
With Wall $treet as its eager partner and a mess of Ivy League minions managing that show; City of London is not merely the world center of banking. We must also add insurance…particularly of the maritime variety. Also highlighted is their general control of the entire metals industry, most particularly mining under Rio Tinto and both gold and diamonds production in the Witwaatersrand. We would be wise to include control over the worldwide distribution of news by means of Reuters. Only major information sources that the City does not control are conjointly located in California…Hollywood and Sillycone Valley. Some of those ownership circles are bipartite, however.
Understanding the Collective Wa$te is really quite simple…follow the moneymongers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 0:51 utc | 138

smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 136
Istanbul agreements – Nato out, Crimea remains Russian.
Based on – Nato out, Crimea and the four regions to their administrative borders remain Russian?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 0:55 utc | 139

I could be wrong, though. 🙂
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 4 2024 23:49 utc | 125
____
No better proof that you’re not RSH!

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 5 2024 0:57 utc | 140

“Oh shit! If this isn’t election manipulation, what is?”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 131
I only read your comment after putting down my thoughts on Putin’s references to negotiations. Election manipulation? The next US administration will be determined not by the dumbocracy but by, for want of a better term, the deep state. This is who I think Putin is addressing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 1:08 utc | 141

PeterAU@047
Imagine the possibility that “Big Mike” Obaminable somehow manages to get first, selected and then elected. Then try to comprehend how a statesman such as V.V.Putin would conceivably negotiate with Obaminable’s B.F.
Yes, the cat is out of the bag in the U.$. Facial analytical sources have indicated that the probability factor of “Big Mike” was actually born male and that at times the ex-pres. has referred to her/him as Michael. It would be one thing if that couple was out front about their relationship. Live and let live.
Of course that would not eventuate in a country where millions of mostly cookbrained Born-Agains are hopefully looking forward to the “Rupture” where even the corpses in coffins would be magically wafted away on Jesus’ spaceship so that they can join the millions seated at the right hand of Yahweh/Jehovah…all while trodding on streets of gold and strumming on harps.
Following the ca 1920 massive funding for a college of education at Columbia University by John D. Rottenfeller; the deliberate dumbing-down of the American populace has achieved terminal velocity.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 1:10 utc | 142

It is clear that he is begging for negotiations.
Russia is too weak and probably is unable to continue this war.
The west can finance this war endlessly.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 4 2024 22:20 utc | 105
This was the narrative one year ago.
What’s different this time?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 5 2024 1:20 utc | 143

aristodemos | Jul 5 2024 1:10 utc | 142
It looks to be between Obama2 and Trump. If its Trump then its war with China and negotiations with Russia. If it’s Obama2 then I assume the war with Russia continues and the war against China delayed yet again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 1:22 utc | 144

Even shadowbanned left after many many pile-ons (not saying he deserved it though).
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 0:50 utc | 137
Of course he did. He used socks all the time, and still does. Many times he would use his socks to troll when he could no longer keep up his “calm, logical and educated debater” schtick.
He also was full of shit, claiming to care about russia while gloating and exaggerating every single tiny attack and acting like it was the end of the world. He should have been banned long ago for sock puppeting.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:24 utc | 145

Apparently wwp is shouting ‘uncle’.
Some of these trolls are real asswipes.

Posted by: merkin scot@gmail.co | Jul 5 2024 1:26 utc | 146

– other blogs which don’t have that problem (because they have reply threads you simply can skip over), MoA doesn’t have it
– this forum’s form of comments is totally shit and half the problem. It’s worse than the old BBSs of the fkn early 90s at 4800bps dial up
– Vladimir Putin: As for global security
vladimir was talking about the US and global security and not the smo or ukraine
vladimir was talking about the US and global security and not the smo or ukraine
I am not that confused.

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:30 utc | 147

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 131
Think he is trying to do everything he can to stop killing people. At least my take is that he never wanted to start killing people in the first place. He was forced to even at the expense of his own people. Many seem to take that as weakness when in reality it’s the exact opposite. Putin is doing ballet on the head of a needle right now and doing well.
What other leader has said do x,y,z and I will give the cease fire order that minute? In my view that is someone who wants to find a reasonable end to this war asap.

Posted by: eman | Jul 5 2024 1:34 utc | 148

This form is fine.
Other forms have their issues, like sometimes people all pile into the first post and it becomes an ever collapsing spiral of words until it is all jammed on the right side of the screen.
I read “all” moa ever day when online.
And by read i mean i skip about 75% of posters, since i can tell who is who by the first or second sentence, and can tell if the post will have substance, good thought, or be just more crap.
A d of course i always skip as soon as i see anything about ww ii or some ism being the best or worst.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:38 utc | 149

Semibankirschina (Russian: семибанкирщина), or seven bankers, was a group of seven powerful Russian business oligarchs who played an important role in the political and economical life of Russia between 1996 and 2000.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 4 2024 23:08 utc | 114

This term was coined as a reminder of some similarly troubled times: Семибоярщина “Rule of the Seven Boyars” just to remind that it is always dangerous to forget your country’s history.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Jul 5 2024 1:39 utc | 150

Here we go with the posturing about Belarus and/or Kaliningrad being attacked/invaded.
We had to endure the same fear-mongering with respect to Transnistria not long ago. Nothing happened then. I expect the same nothing regarding Kaliningrad and Belarus. Lots of “scary” moves perhaps, to point out to the Russians their vulnerabilities, but no direct action.
If they attack any of these places they might as well hit Russia with full force on their mainland with flags flying because WWIII will start. But they won’t because they are scared.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 5 2024 1:45 utc | 151

– the only answer imho is moderation
– So we have what we have. Shrug.
it is already an echo chamber controlled by long term trolls spammers and alpha male bullies.
there is no such a thing as only.
stop close all comments
move it to substack
move it to wordpress
https://www.simplemachines.org
start something entirely new
– I read “all” moa ever day when online
oh dear
– i skip about 75% of posters
I skip 95% of comments and posters

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:49 utc | 152

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:49 utc | 152
Wordpress ban people from using its software it doesnt like.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 2:01 utc | 153

A d of course i always skip as soon as i see anything about ww ii or some ism being the best or worst.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:38 utc | 149
Come on, Udub. By that criteria you’re just rejecting history. That’s all we have to make sense of things and make future plans. You’re better than that, bro. I remember a little guy who once referred to US Imperialism as “a reality show with nukes?”. Was that you?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 5 2024 2:28 utc | 154

Was that you?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 5 2024 2:28 utc | 154
Yes, and ww ii and communism vs capitalism is off-topic masturbation.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 155

In karlof1’s latest (thanks Karl) about Putin’s post SCO presser there is this quote.
I repeat once again, let’s wait until the new administration is formed and understand what its plans and preferences are.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2024 0:25 utc | 131
—————————————————–
Sigmund Freud: ‘Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.’
Nothing else needs to be said while he continues to pound the living daylights out of the Ukies, until someone there cries ‘Uncle.’ Z could disappear, their Parliament could discover its gonads, more NATO boots on the ground unlikely, wait and see. Either way, he has plans and more plans. Any attack of stupid he will know how to deal with.
Some of you might want to look for childhood girl pix of Mrs. Obama. I found some years ago when the topic first came up.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 5 2024 2:32 utc | 156

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 4 2024 13:55 utc | 5
Has Starmer made a contrary position statement to Sunak? I don’t think so.
Kind of surprises me: The Istanbul agreements stipulated that Donetsk and Lugansk regions should have referenda on whether to be part of Ukraine or Russia. How is this compatible with the current state of affairs, i.e. the formal accession of four regions to the Russian Federation?
Posted by: smuks | Jul 4 2024 15:06 utc | 20
Doesn’t mean it’s not a good position for negotiation. Just means it’s simpler.

Posted by: Inki | Jul 5 2024 2:38 utc | 157

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 5 2024 0:26 utc | 132
“For the same reason that I say something to someone who lets their dog crap on the grass in a public park. Yes, most people who have dogs wouldn’t think of letting their pet do that…”
You must live in a nice gated community.
“…but there’s always the exception, and something needs to be said to clowns like that…”
I hope you are well-armed these days when you tell them to behave better.
“.. because they ruin it for everyone else.”
True. Welcome to the rest of the world outside of the gated communities.
“And I noticed that a number of posters were trying to ‘reason’ with this particular French clown, so I decided to dump on him. Yes, trolls like Napoleon and Vargas present a quandary. Are they really that stupid, or are they cynical manipulators?”
Could easily be both. This either-or stuff has to end. Think “and” instead of “or”.
“I’ve notice that both of them usually begin a comment with a sweeping generalization that they can never back up, making anything they say after that total nonsense. So its total crap from the get go. Possibly someone like napoleon is so thoroughly stupid that he lacks sufficient intelligence to realize just how dumb he is, a poster child for Dunning-Krueger syndrome. They can’t be shamed. At any rate, it’s not that I’m trying to flaunt my ego, I’m not a regular poster, I just get sick of reading their idiotic crap. Trying to reason with them is pointless, they need to be told that they are fucking morons.”
These are unusually obvious trolls. They make the much better trolls seem reasonable and sophisticated by comparison. Propoganda 202.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 2:39 utc | 158

The Yanks and the Brits have stopped sending unmanned drones over the Black sea to spy on Russia, it would appear the reason for this is that the drones end up crashing as Russian military planes have found a way to down them without actually firing on them even with their transponders in the off position.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 4 2024 14:52 utc | 18
They electronically jam or hack them. Iran was able to do it several years ago: they landed a U.S. drone and then studied it to build their own. It was thanks to Iran’s help that Russia got in the drone game quickly, even though it was very behind when the SMO started and most of the leadership didn’t believe drones were that important.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 5 2024 2:40 utc | 159

Most barflies would support China in a massive air and land invasion against breakaway republic Taiwan. Taiwan is an island, so the invasion would necessitate saturation bombing, before any amphibious landing.
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 4 2024 16:13 utc | 30
No! As far as I can tell most barflies would support no such thing. This is a ridiculous assumption. Most here seem to oppose dumb wars. Anyway while China was busy ‘liberating’ Taiwan the US would be busy flattening China and Taiwan’s chip manufacturing sector so that the Chinese did not get it.

Posted by: Inki | Jul 5 2024 2:47 utc | 160

Putin: West asked for ceasefire when Russian Armed Forces were near Kiev in 2022
ASTANA, July 4. /TASS/. Western countries persistently asked for a ceasefire when Russian troops were stationed near Kiev in 2022. Russian President Vladimir Putin told journalists this as he concluded his trip to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Astana.
“When our troops were stationed near Kiev, we received a proposal and even a persistent request from our Western partners to cease fire, to cease military actions so that certain things could be done by the Ukrainian side. And we did it,” the Russian leader recalled. Putin noted that there were no reciprocal steps from Ukraine.
According to the Russian president, Moscow “once again encountered deception: all the [conditional troop withdrawal] agreements reached in Istanbul were thrown into the trash.” “And this has happened more than once,” he added.
https://tass.ru/politika/21280691

“once again encountered deception: all the [conditional troop withdrawal] agreements reached in Istanbul were thrown into the trash. And this has happened more than once.”
That’s why Russia is a fool to agree to these negotiations. It has to win on the field and get a very advantageous position before it agrees to any negotiations.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 5 2024 2:50 utc | 161

“Other forms have their issues, like sometimes people all pile into the first post and it becomes an ever collapsing spiral of words until it is all jammed on the right side of the screen.”
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:38 utc | 149
Like Zero Hedge. What a stupid echochamber that has become for exactly the reason you mention. Also the upvote/downvote scores that people there often harp on, even though they pretend to hate “social credit scores” because China!

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 2:56 utc | 162

And by read i mean i skip about 75% of posters, since i can tell who is who by the first or second sentence, and can tell if the post will have substance, good thought, or be just more crap.
And of course i always skip as soon as i see anything about ww ii or some ism being the best or worst.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 1:38 utc | 149
Please start skipping (replying) to me. I find there’s never anything you reply of substance. You seem to like being a habitual contrarian, splitting hairs, taking some far-outside position just for … I dunno what.
You are of course welcome to skip reading ANYTHING beyond your meagre comprehension like (as above) world history, political history. But why bother to tell us? All you are revealing about yourself is that you are an ignorant bigot, one who thinks that everything YOU are not interested in is “masturbation”. No doubt you have your own favoured form(s) of masturbation. But please don’t practise them in replies to me anymore. It just stickies up my keyboard.
PS. Your summary of shadowbanned (#145) was, as expected, very superficial and *unfounded* as to him sockpuppeting. I never saw any *evidence* of that … and you don’t have any either. It’s all in your own head, Dude.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:14 utc | 163

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 1:49 utc | 152
>>>there is no such a thing as only<<<. Yes, agreed, re my use of "the only solution is moderation ...". I shall rephrase -- "possibly, imho, a better system might be moderation" :) >>> It is already an echo chamber controlled by long term trolls spammers and alpha male bullies<<< Well, b initially set the tone, the political bias he wanted within his cyber-bar. You try going into a Texas cowboy bar and shouting gay politics! Group bias is not (necessarily) the same as group think. MoA is pretty damn tolerant of *good faith* alternative views.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:30 utc | 164

I have found UWdude’s posts generally far above average. Sometimes slips but rarely. Always sincere.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 3:36 utc | 165

“Group bias is not (necessarily) the same as group think. MoA is pretty damn tolerant of *good faith* alternative views.”
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:30 utc | 164
Yes indeed.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 3:41 utc | 166

Please start skipping (replying) to me.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:14 utc | 163
Aw Blanchard. Were you the one that tried to chew me out for talking about the cultural nuances of the use of the word “cunt”?
It was epic, off topic masturbation, but it was just too much fun to toy with a literal cunt. I had to spurt that one out.
And, really, dont at me to tell me not to respond to you. That just says you want to talk toe, doesn’t it?
Was that contrarian nit-picking? What about the use of the word cunt? You still sore from that fucking?
LooooL!

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 3:41 utc | 167

I have found UWdude’s posts generally far above average. Sometimes slips but rarely. Always sincere.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 3:36 utc | 165
Aww.. i could get used to this off topic masturbation. <3
Well shit, since this thread was derailed by people ranting about people derailing threads....
...Hitler was socialist, but not a true socialist. That's why he lost world war two. Had he been more socialist, he would have won, because socialism is better.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 3:52 utc | 168

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 3:41 utc | 167
I’ve started employing a certain standard for calling/labeling anyone a “cunt.” They must first possess and demonstrate both the warmth and the depth.
If anyone here knows where I got that, it’s certainly you – having schooled me at least once or twice on memes and pop-cultural trends.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 3:56 utc | 169

Yes, and ww ii and communism vs capitalism is off-topic masturbation.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 2:30 utc | 155
I somewhat and generally agree with this, but there are exceptions when someone is pushing falsified history (even if the falsified version is the “official” one) to make a point that’s otherwise on topic and non-masturbatory.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 3:58 utc | 170

“For the same reason that I say something to someone who lets their dog crap on the grass in a public park. Yes, most people who have dogs wouldn’t think of letting their pet do that…”
You must live in a nice gated community.
Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 2:39 utc | 158
LOL no shit. Most people, my ass. But I hope you’re not arguing in favor of lettin’ your dog crap on the grass in a public park and not fuckin picking it up.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:04 utc | 171

Wrong person…I hope?
https://www.jakeblanchard.com/about-jake

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:08 utc | 172

PS. Your summary of shadowbanned (#145) was, as expected, very superficial and *unfounded* as to him sockpuppeting. I never saw any *evidence* of that … and you don’t have any either. It’s all in your own head, Dude.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 3:14 utc | 163

Noone fucking owes you evidence, theyre describing a consensus. I gave him the benefit of the doubt to start, until it became clear he was pushing a specific view. Its amusing how NAFO true believer types and the only slightly more sophisticated Western propagandists hover about this bar. The fact that the bar exists and gives Empire shitheels migraines so they shitpost is enough for me. I like to call out Empire shitheels imbecilic arguments, frankly. Shadowbanned was one such, possibly the best recent example of a propagandist empire shitheel. Through skewering his takes one also skewers all the fuckheads who employ the same tired sophistry. I do enjoy correcting the delusions of lesser men, such as the Western strategic leadeship. Sorry, not sorry…there’s only the entire rest of the internet for you to have Western propaganda repeated back to you, if that’s more your taste.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 4:12 utc | 173

“But I hope you’re not arguing in favor of lettin’ your dog crap on the grass in a public park and not fuckin picking it up.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:04 utc | 171
Ha. Nope, I’m not arguing in favor of that. It’s another signifier of the country’s descent into permissive barbarism. And the dog shit isn’t limited to public parks, of course. And not just dog shit.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 4:20 utc | 174

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 4:20 utc | 174
Any human who shits on a sidewalk or public park should be coerced into picking it up too. But would it be any more or less sanitary than a dog? My doberman doesn’t give a fuck, lol. But now that I think about it, I don’t want to rub my hands in grassy dog or human shit no matter where I go.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:44 utc | 175

A nazi-“Ukrainian” attack on Kaliningrad would obliterate the US 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 5 2024 4:50 utc | 176

Shadowbanned was not a propagandist for US empire. Nor a sock puppeteer. He was pro-Russian anti-Maidan coup to the core. AS was RSH. The wrong people keep being banned here. It needs less bigoted bullies and less trolls but they seem to be the most popular posters for some unfathomable irrational reason.

Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 4:53 utc | 177

That’s opening up a whole other can of worms now…
Happy 4th or what’s left of it. Fireworks still going off here. My last dog was absolutely terrified by this holiday. Sensitive ears I guess. He would hide under furniture for hours.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 4:56 utc | 178

Jul 5 2024 4:56 utc | 178
That was a response to Tom Q.

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 5:01 utc | 179

So essentially,the failed effort to sacrifice the humans living *formally* now in the nation *formally* recognized as *Ukraine*, have been sacrificed for what?
The illegitimate empire of death, deceit and delusions?
This psy-op named ‘Joe Biden’ and the shitshow of American “full spectrum dominance’?
How’s that working out so far….

Posted by: Robert Michael Hope | Jul 5 2024 5:07 utc | 180

175
I know blog owners hate dog poo metaphors but Boris Johnson’s owner Blackrock has pooper-scooped half of Ukraine’s prime agricultural land with one short dump by BoJo.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 5 2024 5:09 utc | 181

scooped half of Ukraine’s prime agricultural land
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 5 2024 5:09 utc | 181

In Ukraine far more has been pledged than can be settled. There is no way that works out well for Blackrock.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 5 2024 5:15 utc | 182

too scents 182
That’s not the point. Empire2 Tories have to go on pooch training courses.
Liberal Atlantacist Nick Clegg who birthed 14 years of Empire2 Tory rule after we voted against the Tories already has a cushy job, but these Tory poopers now have to wear dog diapers / Nappies in public places at all times.

Posted by: Giyane | Jul 5 2024 5:36 utc | 183

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 5 2024 4:12 utc | 173
What a convoluted post of non-rational crap.
>>>Noone fucking owes you evidence…<<< I never said he owed it to me. I said, he made the claim (of sockpuppetting) without any chance of actually knowing if it was true or false. Did he (or any others) have the cross-checked IP addresses for one person across numerous names and emails? Noone *knows* that other visitors didn't think likewise and support his positions. Sb did not strike me as so weak-minded or childishly devious to need to bolster his forum support with socks. Lol. Funnily, there's still a few "Putin must hit 'em hard" types around. Are they all sb puppets? >>> they’re describing a consensus<<< Oh, so UNFOUNDED group imagining equals truth now, does it? >>>I gave him the benefit of the doubt to start, until it became clear he was pushing a specific view. <<< And so? Pushing a specific view is unpalatable to you? And even a bannable offence if someone keeps on and on and on with it? And who actually knows if he WAS BANNED. Did b tell you? Maybe he just left of his own accord. Likewise, was Lavrov's Puppy recently banned? Many think so, believe so, hope so. But who has b told that it's actually true? I'm enough of man to say I don't know stuff when I don't know stuff, rather than to chime-in to some fucking consensus cos it validates my biases. >>>It’s amusing how NAFO true believer types … blah blah blah, rant rant rant … <<< And then finally, >>>Sorry, not sorry…there’s only the entire rest of the internet for you to have Western propaganda repeated back to you, if that’s more your taste.<<< And there, finally, you postulate that I am some NAFO propogandarist! Laughably twisted, to those who've bothered to follow my own views on MoA. I've always thought you were better than such nonsense. Jeezuz, even the mere mention of sb sets off a tirade against the mentioner, unless, of course, they're part of The Holy Concensus.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 5:49 utc | 184

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2024 4:08 utc | 172
Lol, Tom. Certainly not! But my question is why google my name … which isn’t really my name, btw 🙂
Now, let me see what I can find out about Tom Q. Collins??? 30 seconds later, I’m thinking you’re fictitious too! Lol.
I once assumed a silly and very unique name (unknowingly) of a missing person. I got so much mail about needing to tell my worried parents that I was alive!!! Lol.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Jul 5 2024 6:01 utc | 185

UK general election news ?
Dont be fooled by the tory crocodile tear’s.
The torys just sold /gifted the UK lock stock and barrel to israel after being in power for nearly 20 years
This election was a coup.
Uk democracy….. the best Democracy money can buy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:28 utc | 186

Hi Barflies
Can someone update me on what is currently happening regarding the 50 billion loan to Ukraine, secured on Russian assets and guaranteed by the EU taxpayers?
The last I read was that there was resistance from Scholz(!) and other nation-vassals to this initiative.

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 5 2024 6:34 utc | 187

A lot of strikes on Ukie airfields in the last few days, a number of aircraft destroyed or damage along with personnel.
What is interesting is that it is surveillance drone footage from deep in Ukie back areas. Russia can fly these at will, have them loiter over the target for long periods of time over airfields without them being shot down or detected.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2024 6:35 utc | 188

Liz Truss (ex pm lettuce) gone.
Tobias Elwood gone (freands of israel leader)
Jacob Reece-Mogg as above gone.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:39 utc | 189

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:39 utc | 189
It’s a veritable tempest in a teapot!

Posted by: Wisco | Jul 5 2024 6:52 utc | 190

Closet trump supporters… i seee you. Disrupting every recent thread, cowards. b is unwell.
Dont ingage them unless you know what their upto.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 6:58 utc | 191

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jul 5 2024 1:45 utc | 151
Are you sure about that?

❗️ Military provocation against Belarus – an element of the air operation of Bandera and NATO against the Russian Federation?
The current escalation of the situation on the border with Belarus by Bandera’s supporters predictably raises eyebrows. Open a second front in a generally difficult military-political situation, even at the command of a sovereign? However, the likelihood of such a development of events is difficult to deny, especially taking into account Lukashenko’s frank statements just yesterday.
So, the Bandera/NATO plan seems to be something like this:
1) Groups of Belarusian Nazis such as “Pagoni” and “Kastus Kalinouski” are organizing a raid on Belarusian territory from Ukraine. The NATO propaganda media barks their approval as part of their media support.
2) The troops of Belarus, repelling the raid of the Nazis, strike both their gangs and their supply routes and the armed forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine supporting them on the territory of Ukraine itself.
3) The Bandera junta declares to the whole world about “aggression on the part of Belarus.” The statement is being circulated in NATO media.
4) Bandera’s men, with a calm heart, begin to strike with long-range NATO weapons on Belarus, but not in support of the “Legions of Freedom” (the armored personnel carriers will simply be thrown into meat attacks), but on Russian and Belarusian airfields and air defense systems. For example, the air base in Machulishchi is located less than 300 km from the border with Ukraine – just within the range of ATACMS, not to mention drones.
5) If they manage to destroy/thin out Russian-Belarusian military aviation and air defense in Belarus, or at least make it a nightmare so that it cannot effectively counteract Bandera’s F-16s and Mirages, the next stage will begin: launches of Storm Shadow in the version with full range (more than 500 km) from aircraft over the territory of Belarus to objects in the European part of Russia. And here the situation changes dramatically in their favor. For example, from the Belarusian Krasnopolye to St. Petersburg is less than 500 km. Similarly – from Khotimsk to Moscow. Dubna, Tver, Ryazan, Lipetsk, etc. are within reach. A lot of poorly protected and at the same time important objects.

Posted by: Boo | Jul 5 2024 7:14 utc | 192

Wisco @ 190
Haa ha ha, yes a fart in a biscuit tin.
But really really sereous.
The torys packing their bags and leaving the country… can only meen… the israelies and jew run america are about to turn the uk into the next ukraine… keir starmer being their next zelensky.
The UK grunts (reform party) all ready primed and ready to jump into a muddy ukrainian trench. Predictably resulting in a direct response from Russia. Conscription will be used.
I’m prioritizing my analasis, this above is most important
I will be sifting through the rubble of this “earth quake” slowly an surely.
Along with catching up on sleep. Expect random vists from me. Ignore trolls. For a while.
Respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 5 2024 7:17 utc | 193

@Boo | Jul 5 2024 7:14 utc | 192
nato does not have enough soldiers and logistics to invade Belarus like that text suggests, and even if they wanted to try, they’re not sure Putin won’t allow nukes that he deployed in Belarus to fly at them in the first hours of the attack. So expect nato to first place their own nukes (FR and UK, not US) all over the borders with Russia and Belarus, then kamikaze the border countries to attack Russia and Belarus more or less directly. They could start hitting gas and oil, sinking transport ships, icebreakers (US has only 2, it would be great for them if Russia loses 10-20, wouldn’t it?) and so on. When you have NS exploded and do nothing, you approve the next much bigger attack. The same with Crocus, ZNPP, Crimea beach and so on.
Most likely Belarus will get relatively soon strikes, with the main target being civilians mixed with attempts at a coup.
This must be the reason most of nato at the borders is placing antitank protection deep inside their little villages. They bet on Russian troops and tanks for some strange reason, but I would bet the retaliation for strikes coming from there will be missiles first, nukes a few days later.

Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2024 8:29 utc | 194

re. new gas contract, I’m not aware of any talks. If you have info, I’d very much appreciate.
Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:20 utc | 128

reductions in Russian LNG imports should be approached with caution, particularly in light of the imminent expiration
of the ship-or-pay transit contract for gas pipeline supply from Russia to Europe via Ukraine by the end
of 2024. This could potentially lead to a loss of 13.6 bcm of natural gas supply compared to the flows
in 2023.

When considering the more ambitious REPowerEU demand reduction scenario, the analysis reveals two
distinct periods of significance. Initially, from 2023 and until 2026, the existing long-term contracts for
delivery in Europe are assessed as insufficient to meet the total EU LNG demand. However, from 2027
to 2030, the impact of REPowerEU measures on EU gas demand reductions is expected to result in
over-contracted LNG position, with surplus volumes ranging from 30 bcm in 2027 to 66 bcm in 2030.
Such contractual surpluses should be easily manageable thanks to the inherent flexibility of the
contracts with free-on-board shipping terms and the presence of international portfolio players backing
those contracts. In fact, during this period, except for the year 2030, free-on-board volumes exceed
the over-contracted volumes. Consequently, those volumes should find little difficulty to be redirected
to alternative markets.

European LNG market developments
Summarizing: the EU position is that, from 2027 onwards, Europe will have so much natural gas that we’ll have to sell some to others.
Until 2027 there is going to be a shortage of natural gas; If someone asks inconvenient questions, waffle and play for time.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 5 2024 8:36 utc | 195

re. new gas contract, I’m not aware of any talks. If you have info, I’d very much appreciate.
Posted by: smuks | Jul 5 2024 0:20 utc | 128
Let me make an analogy. It is as if someone states you will have enough to eat, not because there will be more food, but because you will eat less.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 5 2024 8:47 utc | 196

He was pro-Russian anti-Maidan coup to the core. AS was RSH. The wrong people keep being banned here. It needs less bigoted bullies and less trolls but they seem to be the most popular posters for some unfathomable irrational reason.
Posted by: I’m Confused | Jul 5 2024 4:53 utc | 177
1) Shadowbanned was, and still is a disingenuous douchebag, only pro-Russia if that means Russia with him on the throne as tsar.
I know he socked at least once about a year ago when a drone hit a building.
I have also noted once another account shared a link to a fairly random archived ukraine open thread that shadowbanned also linked to, i know, because it happened to be a topic i had posted in, so i was surprised to see it come up again, but this time by someone else.
How often do two people link to the same ukrainian open thread from 10 months ago? In fact, how often do people play archivist troll at all here?
Also, he and either “unnamed” or “anonymous” used the same turn of phrase incorrectly many times, though i can no longer remember the particular turn of phrase, or which moniker. Not to mention identical writing styles and opinions, including on covid.
2). RSH I agreed with often, but he was a major arrogant asshole, just like jb.
and he was banned for it.
Called everybody stupid all the time, would often open arguments with, “anybody who thinks x is an idiot”, constantly claimed to be the only one to understand things, and everyone else is just dumb, and gave almost the EXACT same speech jb gave when someone called him an asshole, about maybe being more gruff than most, but only because the people they are responding to deserve it. Total troll-baiting raging assholes, the both of them. If jb isnt rsh, he acts exactly like him.
And when he gets banned, his fifth sock will take a couple months before it starts to become obvious it is him again.
But, “only being an asshole to those who deserve it” was not true about rsh, just like admitted four time sock puppeteer jake blanchard, rsh would often fly into rages against other posters on tiny little disagreements that most people would just counter with their own rationale. Tiny disagreements might i add, that were written respectfully.
So fuck all three of them.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 5 2024 9:13 utc | 197

Not many new events on Dima report. Probably the most important events are AFU is gradually losing its ability to support Vovchansk citadel as RUAF bombs the pontoon bridges and forces that could try to come in from the south. The bridgehead in Burguvatka expands, increasing risk for southern flank of Vovchansk. RUAF make some wedge toward Zherebets river (southern Kupyansk area).
The force defending New York was a brigade already previously defeated in Chasov Yar, which had attached a territorial defense battalion, which was completely defeated in New York. Now the movement will probably slow down and the citadel will take time, like Vovchansk.
Orban deliver’s Zelensky’s message to Putin. Putin already indicated Zelensky is illegitimate as his term has expired, and the Rada not much better off. Zelensky is planning to make an ultimatum for Ukrainian Nato membership at the Nato summit beginning in July 9th.

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 9:26 utc | 198

🇰🇬⚡️Kyrgyzstan’s special services prevented an attempt to violently seize power in the country, the State Committee for National Security reported. – ISZ reports
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1809160515177812402

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 9:47 utc | 199

Military Summary posted a video of TOS burning AFU positions in Pivnichne, which is effectively the citadel defending Toretsk.
https://t.me/militarysummary/16172

Posted by: unimperator | Jul 5 2024 9:52 utc | 200