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July 2, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-155
News & views related with the war in Ukraine …
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RT reporting that Dutch F-16s will be in Ukraine soon. I believe Russia has said that any F-16 will be assumed to be carrying nuclear weapons. What is NATO doing? This is like a two-and-a-half year long Cuban Missile Crisis, and no Kennedy or Kruschev in sight. Posted by: Caveman | Jul 2 2024 13:43 utc | 1 There is absolutely no fear of Russia, by Ukraine or its allies. This was posted just today :
The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: bored | Jul 2 2024 13:51 utc | 2 Posted by: Caveman | Jul 2 2024 13:43 utc | 1 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 2 2024 13:52 utc | 3 Good summary Posted by: Newbie | Jul 2 2024 13:59 utc | 4 The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 2 2024 13:59 utc | 5 @5 Posted by: paddy | Jul 2 2024 14:05 utc | 6 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 2 2024 13:52 utc | 3 Posted by: Caveman | Jul 2 2024 14:06 utc | 7 Neither were the Nazis in the dying days of WW2. In fact they sent children and old men to the barricades in berlin. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 2 2024 14:10 utc | 8 Chief of Staff of the Azov Regiment Krotevich says: Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2024 14:12 utc | 9 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2024 14:12 utc | 9 Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jul 2 2024 14:21 utc | 10 https://www.rt.com/russia/600311-west-drag-belarus-conflict-lukashenko/ Posted by: snake | Jul 2 2024 14:26 utc | 11
Been hearing this for 2+ years now. Posted by: Observer | Jul 2 2024 14:29 utc | 12 Came here to say that’s some shit talking ‘hard man’ nazi who has sat on his ass in the rear for the entire war. Was not disappointed. Quoting that terrorist as indication that the society of Ukraine wants to keep fighting Russia for Maerican interests is beyond delusion. But do carry on telling yourself your leaders and country are anything other than an immoral fascist Nazi revanchist state for whom no atrocity is too much provided they leep getting paid. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 2 2024 14:32 utc | 13 Azov is the main anti-retreat battalion shooting AFU in the backs and committing other heinous crimes. I think most of the hardcore veterans are dead, during the battle in Avdeevka they hit Azov brigades many times, first in their Selidovo staging area and later when they were supposed to keep the ‘road of death’ out of Avdeevka open. So Azov was built with new mobilized people over a few months and it isn’t really the same ever again, obviously there are some spokesman left to make hardcore statements. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 14:33 utc | 14 Hermius no. 5 Posted by: KingCobra | Jul 2 2024 14:34 utc | 15
Don’t worry you won’t have to roll your eyes and pretend you know what you’re talking about for much longer. You could throw every Western dollar into Ukraine and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference. NATO couldn’t enforce a no fly zone. It’s all obvious and extreme desperation as the retards that play dress up as generals and national security experts in the West are well aware. They just need to keep the grift going a little longer..planning exist strategies I expect to be just as successful as their Ukraine gambit. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 2 2024 14:36 utc | 16 Posted by: Observer | Jul 2 2024 14:29 utc | 12 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 14:36 utc | 17 A poignant wrathful video that was released 2 days ago. Posted by: too scents | Jul 2 2024 14:39 utc | 18 Posted by: Observer | Jul 2 2024 14:29 utc | 12 Posted by: Boo | Jul 2 2024 14:40 utc | 19
3000 whole prisoners, what’s that, one days casualties, or two? I’m sure they will be loyal fighters, for all of 48 hours. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 2 2024 14:40 utc | 20 paddy@6…. Ukrainians, holding their rear areas, barely covers it…:) Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 2 2024 14:47 utc | 21 Well, something is wrong in Ukraine! Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 14:52 utc | 22 With Finland planning to add 15 US bases ASAP, a second front is emerging, which will put pressure on Russia to finish the first front sooner rather than later. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 2 2024 14:55 utc | 23 Caveman | Jul 2 2024 13:43 utc | 1 Posted by: Bilejones | Jul 2 2024 14:58 utc | 24 The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 15:00 utc | 25 The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 2 2024 15:01 utc | 26 Hi everyone. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 2 2024 15:09 utc | 27 About Azov and Kraken because of elite fighters Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 15:12 utc | 28 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 2 2024 14:55 utc | 23 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 15:12 utc | 29 Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 15:12 utc | 28 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 15:15 utc | 30 A conflict that takes a turn like this usually triggers an internal civil war, with Nazis attacking non-Nazis and regular citizens. In the end, all mercenaries will be killed or arrested. It will take years to purge society out of a current nationalism. Posted by: whirlX | Jul 2 2024 15:18 utc | 31 The Ukrainian Air Force Parked Six Su-27 Fighters In The Open 100 Miles From The Front Line. A Russian Missile Destroyed Two Of Them. Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 15:20 utc | 32 The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 15:24 utc | 33 TM62 is a Soviet anti-tank mine, crazy:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2024 15:25 utc | 34 In my humble opinion jewed-up AmeriKKKa and the Western Jew$lave$ are 100% responsible for prolonging, and creatively thwarting, the Ukraine Fake War. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 2 2024 15:34 utc | 36
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2024 15:38 utc | 37 Wouldn’t it be beautiful if the war was decided in the US ballot box? Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 15:51 utc | 38 Summer has arrived, and I can no longer be bothered. See you all in September. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 2 2024 15:51 utc | 39 The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 2 2024 15:53 utc | 40 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2024 15:38 utc | 37 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 2 2024 16:05 utc | 41 Didn’t notice any air defense protecting that Ukrainian airfield where those parked aircraft were destroyed. I wonder why? Posted by: Leroy | Jul 2 2024 16:10 utc | 42 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 2 2024 15:51 utc | 38 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 2 2024 16:10 utc | 43 The last so called ‘partner’ has completed their betrayal – Orban sitting with Zelensky in Kiev. Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 2 2024 16:11 utc | 44 Once again thanks to unimperator and others for turning troll droppings into something of value Posted by: dadooronron | Jul 2 2024 16:13 utc | 45 @12 Posted by: paddy | Jul 2 2024 16:16 utc | 46 With the discussion talking about the 1960s Turkey/Cuba missile crises, I was wondering what is the relationship like between Russia and Cuba? Posted by: Bill R | Jul 2 2024 16:19 utc | 47 Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 2 2024 16:11 utc | 44 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 16:19 utc | 48 @ Newbie | Jul 2 2024 13:59 utc | 4 Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 16:25 utc | 49 @ Night Tripper | Jul 2 2024 16:11 utc | 44 Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 16:26 utc | 50 The last so called ‘partner’ has completed their betrayal – Orban sitting with Zelensky in Kiev. Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 16:27 utc | 51 from intel slava Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 16:28 utc | 52 The need of an AD-like complex for networked surveillance and tracking of potential drone threats has been apparent from early in the conflict, existing military AD solution are not well matched to this requirement due to high cost.
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/37091
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 2 2024 16:32 utc | 53 A lengthy piece, detailing some of the finances of leading figures in the Ukrainian hierarchy from https://regionews.ua/ukr/articles/1706796757-milyonni-dohodi-godinnik-hublot-i-lanos-skilki-zaroblyayut-i-shcho-zadeklaruvali-kerivniki-oblastey (via Translate Web Pages)
~~~ Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 2 2024 16:32 utc | 54 also from intel slava Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 16:32 utc | 55 Orban pleads for a ceasefire in Kiev, emphasis on PAUSE. Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 16:33 utc | 56 Telegram Ukraine.ru Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 16:43 utc | 57
https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1808172818904883360 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 16:48 utc | 58 The NYT last Sunday had its third or fourth in depth report about severe brain injuries American soldiers are getting from repeated exposures to explosive ordinance. These are different injuries from the brain injuries suffered by those surviving a single improvised explosive device or rocket attack. These are cumulative brain injuries, just as area the TBI’s suffered by football players who are exposed to repeated concussions. Except these are injuries. result from shock waves caused by firing weapons hundreds of times over military careers. The shock waves pass through brain tissue creating rapidly moving liquid bubbles at the interfaces of different tissues in a phenomena known as cavitation. Posted by: mjh | Jul 2 2024 16:56 utc | 59 “his demented rhetoric serves the Russian cause. They want Azoz out front and loud. Easier to de-nazify if you know where all of the Nazis are because they can’t shut up. Posted by: kupkee | Jul 2 2024 16:59 utc | 60 Not the type to go out on a limb and make a fool of himself, he’s not a chatterbox either like Ritter, could be very true:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2024 17:00 utc | 61 New today 02.07 Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 17:03 utc | 62 Ngl, I will literally cream myself if Belarus destroys a bunch of Nazis in nuclear fire. 🔥 Posted by: Dingleberry | Jul 2 2024 17:06 utc | 63 At any cost”: Zelensky’s office ordered Syrsky to keep the remaining positions in the LPR. Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 17:13 utc | 64 Posted by: Bilejones | Jul 2 2024 14:58 utc | 24 Posted by: Caveman | Jul 2 2024 17:17 utc | 65 The Ukrainians aren’t tired of fighting, not by a long shot. Posted by: vargas | Jul 2 2024 17:17 utc | 66 Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 17:13 utc | 64 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 2 2024 17:24 utc | 67 Posted by: Observer | Jul 2 2024 14:29 utc | 12 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 2 2024 17:31 utc | 68 Seeing how nato is ever more afraid of russia, blinken now screeching in asia that “the europeans“ (he means eu, but in reality its america) are concerned about chinas “behaviour“. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 2 2024 17:31 utc | 69 Posted by: bored | Jul 2 2024 13:51 utc | 2 Posted by: scc | Jul 2 2024 17:36 utc | 70 With the discussion talking about the 1960s Turkey/Cuba missile crises, I was wondering what is the relationship like between Russia and Cuba? Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 17:40 utc | 71 thanks for that.. it is written by stephen bryen who is a good and objective analyst on military matters and this conflict.. i recommend others make sure to read it as well… if anyone is wondering how this can end, here is one realistic possibility.. here is the link newsbie shared again.. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 2 2024 17:40 utc | 72
Posted by: vargas | Jul 2 2024 17:17 utc | 66 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 2 2024 17:41 utc | 73 Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 16:27 utc | 51 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 17:42 utc | 74 Posted by: vargas | Jul 2 2024 17:17 utc | 66 Posted by: kupkee | Jul 2 2024 17:48 utc | 75 Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 16:25 utc | 49 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 2 2024 17:53 utc | 76 @Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 2 2024 17:41 utc | 73
So true, most Ukrainians that are actually in Zelensky regime controlled areas (especially on the eastern side of the Dniepr and in the south) just want an end to the war. Once they see that they get paid Russian levels of social benefits (all the retirees and widows etc.) that are twice those of pre-war Ukrainian ones and paid on time, once they see all the jobs building a better Ukraine and economy, they will tend to come around. Extensive war crimes trials and detailing of what the West and their puppet oligarchs did to the people of Ukraine, and the introduction of real history into the Ukrainian school curriculum, will aid the speed of transition. @ Newbie | Jul 2 2024 17:40 utc | 72 Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 17:53 utc | 78 @ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 2 2024 17:53 utc | 76 Posted by: james | Jul 2 2024 17:55 utc | 79 That is what I alo think. They are not tired, they are even happy if they can fight and kill Russians. Even their death means nithing to them and their families. They ae liki ISIS on steroides. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 2 2024 17:56 utc | 80 Was thinking the same, malenkov. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 2 2024 18:02 utc | 82 thanks newbie.. i have some problems with this article… i don’t like the language and i think it is a dishonest portrayal of what is happening.. but i do agree ukraine has a big problem that only big sugar daddy wall st/ usa-uk can help… it really has nothing to do with ukraine and is all about maintaining wall st and the city.. money = war and these fuckers are quite happy to prolong it as long as their money is coming thru… Posted by: Newbie | Jul 2 2024 18:12 utc | 83 Just some clarity in basic finance. Current U.S. Fiscal year has revised deficit of $1,800 Billion. U.S. economy of plus/minus $28,000 Billion at a 2% growth rate is $560 Billion. Posted by: kupkee | Jul 2 2024 18:34 utc | 84 Posted by: bored | Jul 2 2024 13:51 utc | 2 Posted by: AI | Jul 2 2024 18:35 utc | 85 The Cuban Missile Crisis was Kruschev’s way of solving the Turkish Missile Crisis . Kennedy blinked and removed the Jupiter(?) missiles the US had installed in 1961 in Turkey 40 minutes flight time from Moscow. Posted by: Samu | Jul 2 2024 18:39 utc | 86 Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 15:00 utc | 25 Posted by: AI | Jul 2 2024 18:44 utc | 87 This is like a two-and-a-half year long Cuban Missile Crisis, and no Kennedy or Kruschev in sight. Posted by: petra | Jul 2 2024 18:45 utc | 88 Posted by: Constantine | Jul 2 2024 17:40 utc | 71 Posted by: AI | Jul 2 2024 18:57 utc | 89 Well if there was a nuclear crisis in 1982 I sure did not hear about it. Did not make the news in Australia. Posted by: Watcher | Jul 2 2024 18:59 utc | 90 Posted by: petra | Jul 2 2024 18:45 utc | 88 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 2 2024 19:15 utc | 91 Russian soldier throws a bag of mines through window into AFU stronghold. This is courage and determination. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 2 2024 19:17 utc | 92 Been hearing this for 2+ years now. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 2 2024 19:23 utc | 93
1983 was a silent crisis for most westerners. The Soviet Union at the time believed that a pre-emptive nuclear first strike was imminent to be delivered by intermediate range missiles like Pershing II Posted by: Aslangeo | Jul 2 2024 19:30 utc | 94 With the discussion talking about the 1960s Turkey/Cuba missile crises, I was wondering what is the relationship like between Russia and Cuba? Posted by: Samu | Jul 2 2024 19:33 utc | 95 Ghost of Zanon @ 41
Thinking about it I agree, and who the hell announces an attack ahead of time – oh wait, the Ukrainians! Shhhh, BIG offensive is coming! But, it’s pretty strange given how stretched and thinned out the AFU is, last thing I imagine they want is to extend the front by hundreds of miles. They could send squads into Belarus to harass and for show but they tried that several times in Belgorod with copter cover too and got instantly wiped out. Last I heard the AFU mined the UKR-Belarus border 10km deep over a year ago to prevent Russian pressure on Kiev, the kill zones established work both ways. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 2 2024 19:41 utc | 96 Most posts I read fall into two categories: Some seek to affirm, mathematically prove, that Ukrainians are sub-humans, (sub-Russians) others are scribblings of the future, the undiscovered country, a time when land is actually traversed by Russia, and victory is achieved. Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 2 2024 19:49 utc | 97 Thanks all Posted by: Watcher | Jul 2 2024 19:53 utc | 98 Posted by: ossi | Jul 2 2024 16:43 utc | 57 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 2 2024 19:55 utc | 99 Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 2 2024 19:49 utc | 97 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 2 2024 19:58 utc | 100 |
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