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July 31, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-182

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 19:28 utc | 72
I have never placed much faith in the Arab, Persian, or Turkic oppostion to Israel. The Sunni states and the Saudis are mere poodles on a leash held by the Anglo American Zionists in my opinion. I believe the Saudis are crypto jews. The never have particapted in any war against Israel other than sending a battalion in which they quickly and quietly withdrew.
They have made enormous sums of money with their famous oil embargo and that reacton has always been suspect. Every government in the region recognizes Israel’s nuclear superiority and its willingness to use them if shoved up against a wall. That is the advantage of being a batshit crazy Zionist.
The Turks has or had a powerful cryto jewish community for years which etablished themselves after the fall of the Ottman empire. Their current leader has been at war with them for some time to what end I do not know.
Persia played a large role in Jewish history and in the growth of their beloved Tamud. The nuclear armed dolphin class subs patroling off the coasts of Iran outside the Gulf certainly gives the current leadership pause.
The US abilty to pour muntions in has to make the oppostion think twice. Iran can wreck the Sunnis states infrastruture which is another check.
The fabled EMP weapons held by Hezbollah are probably just a great bluff put out by an Arab intelligence service picked up by Israei press.
Zionism has been around for a long while and has gained strength over the last 200 years or so. Their state may not survive.
Sitting here waiting to see who is destroyed first, Palestinians or Zionists give me no comfort. It sickens me.
All in all its a Mexican standoff. These players do not want to fall on their swords for Palestinians. It has been that way for a long time. Any Anglo American Zionist who talks solution conveniently dies or loses power.

Posted by: cirumspect | Jul 31 2024 21:40 utc | 101

“Israel delenda est” is bad Latin. I don’t think “Israel” can be feminine. It could, on the other hand, be neuter. Cf. fel (which is neuter). So: Israel delendum est.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 22:00 utc | 102

Romanes eunt domus
or
Romani ite domum

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 22:02 utc | 103

@ motorslug | Jul 31 2024 21:10 utc | 97
thanks.. i have brave browser..

Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 22:06 utc | 104

teri 81
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“Bar said Israel was in the middle of “the longest war in our history since the War of Independence””
The “war of independence” —that is gaslighting BS.
The Zionists have no claim to such a virtuous label.
Just another PR lie that they have succeeded in implanting in the world’s mind. This phrase should not be used for the duplicitous “creation” of Zionistan at all.
Jeffries, in Palestine: The Reality, provides an excellent overview of the actual historic basis of the “National Homeland” idea, drawing on research in various fields done up to that time (archaeological, historical, linguistic), plus the Bible itself. He shows how absurd the whole idea was, the puny size of the area covered the these stories of the tribal warfare, and the ueber-puny area and time frame of any Jewish tribes’ control within that area (at most one period of 70- years and one of 50), which he compares to the size of the County of Wiltshire.
For me the inescapable conclusion is that the Jews’ success in pushing their OT with its accounts of tribal warfare on a postage stamp of land thousands of years ago to front and center of our historical and moral frame is comparable to their invention of terms such as “National Homeland” and “war of independence” to make their interests look moral and valid. Just PR.
Why are we so weak in critical thinking that we accept totally flimsy premises from these masters of pilpul and conjuration?

Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 22:06 utc | 105

So HasbaRats. illegal Entity squatters. Anglo European imperial colonialists!
Hark! Is the silence golden? There are fewer planes coming and going! The rest will stop within days probably!
How you going to run for escape? You expect the Natzios to be your rock?
They will be NO ROCK.
So it’s a land or sea route EXODUS.
Carrying what you can in your baggage and what you have in your stomachs.
Maybe the naval ships will perform a ‘Dunkirk’ from your beaches as your squat towns villages and Cities turn to ghost towns overnight.
Get packing if you haven’t already you’ll be fighting with your fellows to escape.
I did try and warn you for months.
‘War Monitor
@WarMonitors
4h
⚡️#BREAKING Reports in Hebrew media suggest that American, United, Delta and British Airways are cancelling flights to “Israel”
Jul 31, 2024 · 5:49 PM UTC ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2024 22:08 utc | 106

⚡️#BREAKING Reports in Hebrew media suggest that American, United, Delta and British Airways are cancelling flights to “Israel”
Jul 31, 2024 · 5:49 PM UTC ‘
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2024 22:08 utc | 106
Probably has as much to do with preventing an exodus of dual citizens tired of endless war as it does the safety of aircraft.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 31 2024 22:12 utc | 107

The Turks has or had a powerful cryto jewish community for years which etablished themselves after the fall of the Ottman empire. Their current leader has been at war with them for some time to what end I do not know.
Posted by: cirumspect | Jul 31 2024 21:40 utc | 101
Taalat Pasha, the Young Turk leader that deposed Sultan Hamid II and orchestrated the Armenian Genocide, was a postal clerk out of the Balkans. Here is a brief bio from wiki:
His manners were gruff, which caused him to be expelled from the military secondary school at the age of sixteen without a certificate after a conflict with his teacher. Without earning a degree, he joined the staff of a telegraph company as a postal clerk in Adrianople to provide for his family. His salary was not high, so he worked after hours as a Turkish language teacher in the Alliance Israelite School which served the Jewish community of Adrianople. At the age of 21 Talaat was involved in a love affair with the daughter of the Jewish headmaster for whom he worked.
How does a postal clerk and military school flunkee take over the Ottoman Empire in his early 30s?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Jul 31 2024 22:12 utc | 108

There is clearly a fifth column operating inside Iran assisting the Zionists in attacking Iran including terrorist attacks, attacks on infrastructure, assassinations of scientists and politicians
Will suspicion fall on the Jewish community in Iran? Probably. What’s remarkable is how they’ve been protected all these years despite Israel’s best efforts to turn Iranians against them.
Suspects also include Iranian Arabs, Sunni fanatics, Kurds, MEK operatives.
Who else might be suspect?

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 31 2024 22:20 utc | 109

Also, stated no “peace” deal will ever happen. Capitulation, removal of all Palestinians . Otherwise, happy to go to war.
Only concern… real concern, is Russia.
Even if I don’t agree, hearing another side, certainly brings a devastating picture all around.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 19:28 utc | 72
That is the cold hard reality of it.
There are only two viable strategies to counter McGregor’s ‘thesis’:
1. The bleeding hostage strategy:
– The Resistance concentrates a fast, massive all out attack on Israel’s three key cities and life support infrastructure over such a short span of time that recovery is impossible.
– Having done fatal, but not complete damage it stops at a point and offers a ceasefire. The Americans have the option of either seeing the rest of Israel levelled or sending in a humanitarian evacuation force – or actually negotiating a two state solution.
– If the Americans don’t accept the offer, the resistance goes for broke and takes out every life support infrastructure in ‘Israel’, while leaving the negotiation option on the table.
2. Neutralise the U.S Navy in the Mediterranean sea
– Flood Southern Lebanon and Syria with onyx missiles and wipe out the US Navy in the Mediterranean at the first sign of an American strike on the resistance.
3. Create a distraction somewhere else
– Instigate a massive insurgency in another middle eastern location key to American interests which draws in US military resources and distracts from Israel.
– Then apply strategy #1
Other than this, the slow steady resistance which requires the almost total extinction of the Gazan Palestinians …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 31 2024 22:21 utc | 110

How can Israel kill protected politicians in Teheran and nobody has the slightest idea how they did it?
Maybe Israel is just too strong and Iran should try to make a compromise with it.

Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2024 22:28 utc | 111

Haha…good one.
zionists are only good at at killing civilians, women, children, etc. They get their asses handed to them against a real enemy.

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 22:31 utc | 112

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 22:02 utc | 103
With all due respect to Monty Python, and that is one of the best scenes in any comedy, if one uses Latin (for whatever reason, quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur…) one best get it right.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 22:32 utc | 113

Also, stated no “peace” deal will ever happen. Capitulation, removal of all Palestinians . Otherwise, happy to go to war.
Only concern… real concern, is Russia.
Even if I don’t agree, hearing another side, certainly brings a devastating picture all around.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 202
As long as Netanyahu continues to receive unlimited funding and munitions, and the neighboring countries continue to shield Israel from the resistance in Iran and Yemen, and Russia and China continue to avoid angering the Zionist Establishment occupying the Western capitals, the prognosis for the Palestinians is not good.
Things might change if Americans turn against the Zionists occupying their government and media,
and the Arabs overthrow their collaborationist governments and install true democracies responsive and responsible to their own people instead of to the Zionists occupying Washington.
Otherwise, and in the meantime, maybe efforts should focus on resettling refugees to new lives away from Zionist violence.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 31 2024 22:33 utc | 114

Eye for and eye, and tooth for a tooth seems to be the rule in the Middle-East. So, the Israel took out the Hamas leader. Does that mean Iran is going to go to take out Nutandyahoo?

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jul 31 2024 22:34 utc | 115

Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 22:32 utc | 113
The best part is (I was unaware at the time) Cleese actually taught latin to prep school kids prior to university.

Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 22:35 utc | 116

How can Israel kill protected politicians in Teheran and nobody has the slightest idea how they did it?
Maybe Israel is just too strong and Iran should try to make a compromise with it.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2024 22:28 utc | 111
The US has been not only complicit, but a full partner in every crime committed by Israel for over 60 years.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:47 utc | 117

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
Netanyahu–it is clear–returned from the US with a bipartisan carte blanche for total wars, throughout the regain. Sanders will be the first to grant Israel the right to “self-defense”.
https://x.com/asadabukhalil/status/1818706185266069816

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:48 utc | 118

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
She says that the world thought that Hizbullah was finished when Israel assassinated its leader Abbas Musawi in 1992 and then they got Nasrallah as the new leader.
Quote
LARA
@lara_klayte
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3h
عند اغتيال إسرائيل للسيد عباس الموسوي، أمين عام حزب الله، ظن العالم أن الحزب انتهى ولن يجدوا خلفًا بنفس المواصفات. فأتاهم السيد نصرالله☝️
https://x.com/asadabukhalil/status/1818724849050960201

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:50 utc | 119

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷🏴
@AryJeay
Iranian national security analyst confirms that israel has sent Iran a message that it is ready for an all-out war. Lebanon has received the same message.
There’s a possibility this war may not happen immediately. If Israel declares readiness, it wouldn’t be in the resistance’s favor. However, we’ll see how events unfold.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:50 utc | 120

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷🏴
@AryJeay
Funny how everytime israel commits a heinous terror act leaving space for a military response, EU countries wake up with their “please refrain from escalating tensions” bs.
https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1818661062788403205

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:51 utc | 121

The “rest of the world” ie non AngloZionist group clearly needs a military alliance that protects them and provides advanced armaments if a NATOZIO member attacks them.
This is clearly colonization 2.0 in the making and if smaller countries rely on the UNSC to do anything, well, Iraq Libya.

Posted by: Genocide Joe | Jul 31 2024 22:52 utc | 122

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷🏴
@AryJeay
There seems to be a wave of twitter bots disguised as “muslim accounts” all copy pasting or tweeting the same propaganda saying Iran sold Haniye or Haniye was safe in Qatar and elsewhere but not in Iran.
Whoever is behind this virtual psyop is playing into exactly what Israel aimed to achieve: Creating doubt and uncertainty towards Iran.
Don’t fall for this hasbara crap.
https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1818634944802939020

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:52 utc | 123

This is the moment Al Jazeera Arabic broke the news of the death of their colleague, Ismail al-Ghoul.
Ismail was killed, along with his cameraman Ramy al-Rify, by an Israeli airstrike while reporting from northern Gaza.
https://x.com/ajplus/status/1818695291127972039

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:53 utc | 124

Re flights:
https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/31/united-delta-cancelling-flights-to-israel/
I don’t see any info on flights from Israel, but normally planes of commercial airlines have to be filled both ways (at all times; no “empty” flights), so that implies that flights from Israel also would be canceled by these airlines.
Ha! I wonder, does it start to “come home” now?

Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 22:55 utc | 125

Double Down News
@DoubleDownNews
BREAKING: Israel beheads journalist.
Ismail Al-Ghoul was killed along with cameraman Rami al-Refee in a targeted airstrike in Gaza City.
Israel has murdered 176 journalists in 10 months.
Many Journalists around the world have stayed silent, or worse chose to actively use their position to defend the indefensible
WARNING EXPLICIT IMAGE:
https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1818674472578167229

Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:55 utc | 126

Turk 152
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There may be some answers to your question here as to how a lowly clerk could gain so much power:
https://www.armenian-genocide.org/talaat.html

Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 22:59 utc | 127

Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2024 22:28 utc | 111
‘How can Israel kill protected politicians in Teheran and nobody has the slightest idea how they did it?
Maybe Israel is just too strong and Iran should try to make a compromise with it.’
I see it as a sign that Israel is weak.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 31 2024 23:10 utc | 128

Since this thread is supposed to be about Palatine, I would like to interject a comment as something to consider. That being how the US Congress bowed and applauded Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu (genocide Bibi) during his speech before both houses of Congress before a partisan crowd.
How is it that the citizens of the US could stand still and allow this behavior by the “elected” leaders so soon after the experience of the German people during the Nazi era during the rise to power, and the resulting horrible experience during WW2? In fact, how can the German people support the Zionist genocide in Gaza and the apartheid colonialist rule over the Palestinians people in occupied Palestine?
How did the “liberals” in both parties in the US become pro-genocide and war mongering neo-cons? I am not surprised that these changes happened, but I am surprised that the Deep State Ruling Class could steer the US and Western European people to fall into line so quickly.
How did some many Jewish people whose parents and grandparents suffered under Nazi fascism and the Holocaust become fascist themselves?
Perhaps I am being a bit naive, but it does seem a bit radical, even unreal. Is it the media, the internet, the culture, the educational system, religion as it is understood in our modern times? Is it the economic systems controlling the world today? Perhaps, it is some, or all, of these things happening at the same time.
I think that modern capitalist society is one big thought control mechanism. I think Antonio Gramsci’s theory of Cultural Hegemony was correct; that objective material interests are not automatically, or inevitably translated into class consciousness is pointing to the wart that itches modern society. The capitalists have learned to control the thoughts and ideas of a majority of people who live in today’s modern technological age: This was true in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s in Germany (and to lesser degrees in other countries) as well as (and even more so) today in the US, Europe, and Jewish occupied Palestine.
Controlling the minds and thoughts (world views and outlooks) of even a small majority is sufficient to guide the heard in a rigged bourgeois political system, such as a two-party state.
Just something to consider: Is this humanities future?

Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 23:11 utc | 129

Eye for and eye, and tooth for a tooth seems to be the rule in the Middle-East. So, the Israel took out the Hamas leader. Does that mean Iran is going to go to take out Nutandyahoo?
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jul 31 2024 22:34 utc | 115
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Yes: If you believe in God’s justice.

Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 23:15 utc | 130

Eye for and eye, and tooth for a tooth seems to be the rule in the Middle-East. So, the Israel took out the Hamas leader. Does that mean Iran is going to go to take out Nutandyahoo?
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jul 31 2024 22:34 utc | 115
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Yes: If you believe in God’s justice.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 23:15 utc | 130
Israel is doomed whoever its prime minister is.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 31 2024 23:24 utc | 131

Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 22:59 utc | 127
Because he can operate a telegraph machine, he took control of the Ottoman Empire, no war, no battles, just clicking away at the telegraph? Doesn’t that sound a little implausible to you? Turkish society is sophisticated, hierarchical and fairly classist; how does an outsider not only break into that as an outsider but usurp its rulers?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Jul 31 2024 23:29 utc | 132

RE: Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:50 utc | 120
Interesting. Of course they’d like an “all out war”.
Lebanon hasn’t made a declaration, but so far, Iran has 3
Xs by different spokespersons mentioned retaliation by means of a “special operation”. Iran has never made such a declaration, and they have no clue what that means.
Perhaps Iran will leave its lawful practices & start assassination campaigns instead of drones and missiles?
Would be more logical frankly, and this would be Israelis nightmare. If Hezbollah & Yemen with Iran, simply went around from country to country targeting all Israeli assets worldwide.
Bankers, AIPAC politicians, Chemist, Weapons suppliers.
Not to mention… is the Israel cabinet et el really safe??
Do you suppose out of those couple 100k disaffected Israeli citizens, you might be able to pay one or 2 to do a dirty job?
“Special Operation”… has them grinding their teeth, as how to u pull the whole US arsenal of manpower and weapons in cause here and there someone, or some bldg gets blown up?
Frankly, if US wants to run in and bomb Iran, they don’t need any Israeli excuse to do it. They would just look stupid to their own citizens doing it cuz some retard in Israel was assassinated.
Anyways, tossing stuff around in my head, no idea what Iran/Hezbollah will do, but consider asymmetrical on steroids the way to go. No reason to waste your bombs. Just pick off the cabinet & IDF “Generals” weekly.
Again, just fantasizing.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 23:32 utc | 133

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷🏴
@AryJeay
Iranian national security analyst confirms that israel has sent Iran a message that it is ready for an all-out war. Lebanon has received the same message.
There’s a possibility this war may not happen immediately. If Israel declares readiness, it wouldn’t be in the resistance’s favor. However, we’ll see how events unfold.
Posted by: Menz | Jul 31 2024 22:50 utc | 120
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“You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”
― Donald Rumsfeld

Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 23:36 utc | 134

― Donald Rumsfeld
Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 23:36 utc | 134
I wouldn’t take military advice from that loser. He’s never won a war in his life.
The correct advice:
“They may have the clocks, but you make the time “.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 31 2024 23:39 utc | 135

@ Jane # 105
Yes, Jane, the whole idea of the “war of independence,” the phrase that Bar used threw me for a second. I finally realized that he was talking about the Nakba. (For God’s sake. They had just been given land in a space they deserted 1900 years earlier and they wanted more and so went to war with the people who never left the area, and they call it a “war of independence”?)
The interesting thing to me from his quote, though, was the fact that when he says that “the killings of a Hezbollah and a Hamas official in Beirut and Tehran had been a ‘message’,” he was admitting that Israel committed both assassinations.
Thank you for the Jeffries recommendation. I’m always looking for new books to read!
Teri

Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 23:39 utc | 136

RE: “Who else might be suspect?”
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 31 2024 22:20 utc | 109
ANY and ALL Western Embassies, their spy staff & spy staffs families. From every EU nation to Chile vassals.
Schools and universities.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 23:40 utc | 137

― Donald Rumsfeld
Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 23:36 utc | 134
I wouldn’t take military advice from that loser. He’s never won a war in his life
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 31 2024 23:39 utc | 135
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Of course, Arch, you are correct. But not to worry, I am sure Rumsfeld did not invent the phrase. Probably, some one like Carl Clausewitz, or a Napoleon General, or even Sun Tzu?

Posted by: Ed | Aug 1 2024 0:04 utc | 138

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Jul 31 2024 22:34 utc | 115
The problem with The Resistance is that all it’s leaders are iconic and unique.
Taking out any Resistance leader is like ‘destroying’ a piece of world history.
The Empire has no equivalents.

Killing any Western leader is simply removing another bureaucratic functionary.

There is no equivalent to Qassem Soleimani, no Khamenei, Nasrallah nor Haniyeh.
There is no Chavez, Castro, Xi Jin Ping or Putin.
Just and endless parade of grey faces.

“Eye for an Eye” doesn’t work in the middle east, because the Beast has no eyes.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2024 0:06 utc | 139

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~!~ وَإِذَا رَأَوْهُمْ قَالُوا إِنَّ هَٰؤُلَاءِ لَضَالُّونَ ~!~
~!~ وَمَا أُرْسِلُوا عَلَيْهِمْ حَافِظِينَ ~!~
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~!~ فَالْيَوْمَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنَ الْكُفَّارِ يَضْحَكُونَ ~!~
~!~ عَلَى الْأَرَائِكِ يَنْظُرُونَ ~!~
~!~ هَلْ ثُوِّبَ الْكُفَّارُ مَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ ~!~
~!?!~ ~!!!~ ~!?!~
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~!!!~ ~!M!~ ~!!!~

Posted by: sunof27 | Aug 1 2024 0:10 utc | 140

Maybe Israel is just too strong and Iran should try to make a compromise with it.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2024 22:28 utc | 111
That attempt at compromise was Oslo and the peace process.
Iran has repeatedly stated their recognition of Israel would follow the creation of a viable Palestinian state acceptable to Palestinians.
It is Netanyahu and Likuds efforts to prevent such compromise that has led us to this point.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 1 2024 0:18 utc | 141

https://x.com/yarbatman/status/1818571288740278532
Esfandyar Batmanghelidj @yarbatman
1. The Haniyeh assassination is unlikely to drag Iran into a wider war. Iranians leaders understand that Israel is achieving tactical wins in the midst of a strategic defeat.
Israel is making rash and escalatory moves because it is increasingly isolated, divided, and weak.
2. The spate of Israeli attacks and assassinations may be humiliating, but Iran has repeatedly calibrated its responses to these provocations, avoiding a wider war.
In the weeks after October 7, this was because of Iran’s own reluctance to bear the costs of a larger conflict.
3. But now, Iranian leaders have come to understand that Netanyahu and other senior leaders in Israel are seeking a way out from the strategic defeat they face.
Their only path to victory is a wider war….
5. It’s in Iran’s interest to absorb tactical defeats while Israel faces a strategic defeat.
Israel has destroyed Gaza. But as the world bears witness to a genocide, Israel is also tearing the fabric of its own society to shreds.
Consider the events at Sde Teiman……

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 0:24 utc | 142

Maybe Israel is just too strong and Iran should try to make a compromise with it.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2024 22:28 utc | 111
That attempt at compromise was Oslo and the peace process.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 1 2024 0:18 utc | 141
There is no such thing as compromise with Empire.
There is only submission, slavery and extinction.
This is a lesson of a thousand years or more …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2024 0:31 utc | 143

Couple of points to raise. If the ME blew up with the US drawn in, does elections go forward as scheduled?
F35 bullshit story. Why is it so difficult to figure out drones have been smuggled into Iran and sleeper cells will carry out targeted assassinations in Iran at the outbreak of open war. Or a portable anti tank missile could have been used in the same way a remote control machine gun was used in the assassination of Iran top nuclear scientist.
Iran has already started that any action on Iranian soul will result in direct retaliation at the Occupied entity. The formal UN process is being carried out accordingly. Action will be declared as legitimate and supported by RoW.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 1 2024 0:36 utc | 144

Turk 152 | Jul 31 2024 22:12 utc | 108
I think he was the last ruler or leader of the Ottoman Empire just prior to its collapse at the end of WW 1. Out of that came the Balfore declaration, the British mandate and then the Jewish state. His Jewish connections are interesting. My question would be how did he rise to that postion as well. That is lost is the shrowd of history but I bet the story is out there somewhere. I would say they were quite successful in the outcome.
Sabbatai Zevi was a kabbalistic mystic rabbi of Jewish origin that worked in the Ottoman empire thinking he could recreate the state of Israel using the Ottoman empire. Many thought he was the Jewish messiah but the Ottoman leaderhip force his conversion to Islam along with his followers.
They became what is called the Dönme or the Sabbatian crypto jews that claimed they were Muslim but were really Jews that infiltrated into various postions of power in Turkey. The story is long and obscure and has played out in various parts of the region. It is far more overt among the Anglo Americans.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 1 2024 0:43 utc | 145

Re: War of Attrition

“They may have the clocks, but you make the time “.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 31 2024 23:39 utc | 135

Barflies – this will be a long, slow grind.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 1 2024 0:51 utc | 146

fact
“Israel could nuke Gaza and murder 2 million people and the US would still absolutely support them.”
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1818762811335754038
Tiberius @ecomarxi
Fundamentally, the West fully supports Israelis freely murdering and raping men, women and children all because Israeli intel helps the West keep the Arab states (and by proxy their immense resources) under Western domination
When framed like this, the fact the US has no red line makes complete sense. Israel could nuke Gaza and murder 2 million people and the US would still absolutely support them. This is why the US is principally the world’s greatest evil: it has the power to do the most harm

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 0:54 utc | 147

Point-Blank Range’ – Resistance Roundup – Day 299

“Al-Qassam fighters, in cooperation with Saraya Al-Quds fighters, managed to engage with a Zionist force in Al-Shaboura camp in Rafah City, eliminating one of the soldiers at point-blank range. They also targeted a Zionist Merkava 4 tank with an Al-Yassin 105 shell and bombarded the surrounding area of the operation with mortar shells.
“Al-Qassam fighters, in conjunction with the fighters of Saraya Al-Quds, were able to target the Zionist gatherings east of Juhr Al-Dik with short-range SK-8 missiles.
“Al-Qassam Brigades target a Zionist Merkava tank with an Al-Yassin 105 shell in the Al-Shouka area, east of the city of Rafah, south of the Gaza Strip.
“Al-Qassam Brigades target a D9 military bulldozer with an Al-Yassin 105 shell in the Al-Shouka area, east of the city of Rafah, south of the Gaza Strip.
“Al-Qassam Brigades targeted a Zionist Merkava 4 tank with a Shuath device previously planted near Al-Firdous School in the Tal Al-Sultan neighborhood, west of the city of Rafah, south of the Gaza Strip.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/point-blank-range-resistance-roundup-day-299/
Comment: resistance very active on all fronts. 1 illuminating video. 3 Merkavas and 2 Bulldozers targeted none claimed as “destroyed”. Therefore Merkava Tally remains unchanged at 208.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 1 2024 1:05 utc | 148

Menz @120
The Jews have announced to Iran and Hezbollah that they are ready for all out war, but they have been saying for years they are ready. If they were really, actually ready for all out war they wouldn’t just announce it — they would launch that war. That they haven’t means the Jews aren’t ready. They’re bluffing. For Iran and Hezbollah and Ansar Allah, the time to pounce is now.

Posted by: Chas | Aug 1 2024 1:07 utc | 149

https://x.com/EyesOnSouth1/status/1818584576295391315
Hussein @EyesOnSouth1
Leaders of Palestinian Resistance groups, especially Hamas, have been assassinated by Zionists for decades in foreign countries, especially Arab ones
Not one host country responded, declared it would or took any action
Iran is the only country to take it upon itself to do so
Iran has faced prosecution and sanctions for four decades because of its support for Resistance movements, which were once so small they were considered irrelevant.
Iran has not only provided funds, weapons, and training but has also sacrificed its best leaders for this cause.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 1:15 utc | 150

Let’s consider the article recently published saying the US could arm a war with China for 3-4 weeks based on recent war games. The US and Israel can manage long occupations but their militaries are not built for long wars. Gaza has already been longer than Israel intended and the stress of it still ongoing with nothing to show for it is beginning to show.
Or consider how long Tel Aviv has been saying they’re ready to go kick Hezbollah’s ass. And yet they never get around it to but evacuate northern settlements.
Israel is playing from a position of weakness but hasn’t accepted that yet. The lack of acceptance is why it seems like Israel wants a wider war, that and a belief that the US can save them. Except it can’t. Though it will try. The US navy and Marines aren’t going to just waltz into Lebanon and defeat Hezbollah. The most the US can really do is take casualties helping Israel hold territory and/or carpet bomb Lebanese civilians. That last bit isn’t going to help in the wider geopolitical picture.
IMO, the best play for Iran right now is to be patient because Israel desperately needs a major escalation and US response to it to save the situation. But only wait a week or two and then put together a good, coordinated missile/drone strike without warning. Letting the militias in Iraq fully loose on American bases would be good too, include the ones on the Syrian border for good measure.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 1 2024 1:17 utc | 151

Jane@2206
With the singular exception of various levels of musical genius; it would appear that the Judaic peoples are not good at anything creative or positive. As for manual labor and physical engagement; their accomplishments are quite urban. They excel at materialistic goals, most particularly accumulating and employing money and also at one additional accomplishment.
As you note in your posting, Jane, such sedentary souls are quite apt at words and most particularly in the use of semantics. Semantics, as a form of word employment, are quite useful for developing and maintaining a narrative…a story or a set of stories. The first of those stories is the book which for good reason, I describe as the Old Testicles.
Their cult is highly determined to achieve their goals of enslavement of other peoples to do all the heavy lifting for them…”carriers of wood and bearers of water”. The Babylonian Talmud teaches that not only are Judaics “Chosen”, but that “the other” are mere cattle or “Goyim”. Some passages include murder and even genocide of their perceived inferior enemies.
So we are dealing with mindsets which connive quite well, while at the same instant cultivate a form of physical laziness; along with outside relationships which are both predatorial and parasitical.
Currently “Uncle $hmuel” is under financial, governmental and media domination and control. History will cite as an example of that power over Uncle, the disgusting and loathsome behavior of their AIPAC monitored Congre$$critters…on both houses and both sides of the aisle. Their demonstration of support for Nuts n’ Yahoo’s rants were those of trained seals, clapping their flippers and squawking approval at every possible interval.
Gradual change within the mindsets of the American people is occurring, however. There is now a perception of something about the Zionist Entity in Occupied Palestine, a foul smell, a reek, of a decaying entity. Informed and compassionate people, most particularly of the two younger generations, are trending towards an emotional and psychological divorce from the Zionist Agenda. That leading demographic includes a high proportion of compassionate and idealistic Jewish youth.
As more and more outrages are perpetrated upon the suffering folk of Gaza…and of the West Bank as well…that stench of unadulterated evil is gradually accelerating.
The ruling elite are fully aware of these changes in mood, even here in the ruptured republic, while explosively developing in the larger world. The narrative control mechanism is currently running on fumes.
Talmudist dreams and schemes being shattered is written on the wall: “Mene, Mene, Tekel: Uparsham”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 1:32 utc | 152

“Israel delenda est” is bad Latin. I don’t think “Israel” can be feminine. It could, on the other hand, be neuter. Cf. fel (which is neuter). So: Israel delendum est.
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 22:00 utc | 102
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“Israel” is the name of a man; thus Israel delendus est.m

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:32 utc | 153

Menz, michaelj, Exile … all really. My turn to express thanks for posts – sometimes makes a difference to know the effort is recognised or appreciated. Also always good to have somewhere to share, even without further interaction.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 1 2024 1:39 utc | 154

Aristodemus writes: “With the singular exception of various levels of musical genius; it would appear that the Judaic peoples are not good at anything creative or positive.”
Not quite true. With the exception of Robert Musil every worthwhile German-language author in the early twentieth century was a Jew. (Okay, Hofmannsthal was a half-Jew.)
Oh, and if you say “But Thomas Mann!” or “But Hermann Hesse” I’ll say: You’re proving my point.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:42 utc | 155

Turk@152@2212
Taalat Pasha was a Donmei…a Talmudist who conveniently became Muslim. So were a number of other Donmei schemers. They were members of the Grand Orient Lodge of the Masonic tradition…if my memory holds. With numerous lodge brothers, presumably, like Disraeli and Marx, Jewish converts to Christianity; the Donmei revolt had powerful moneybags supporting their efforts.
It has been called to my attention that the Albanian, Kemal Ataturk, the founder of post-Ottoman Turkey, was himself either a member or a supporter of the Donmei coup d’ etat against the Ottomans.
Epstein and AIPAC well describe the methodologies likely employed by the Donmei…blackmail and bribery. That’s how the U$$A Congre$$ and Admini$tration are under Talmudist control.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 1:43 utc | 156

Maybe Israel is just too strong and Iran should try to make a compromise with it.
Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2024 22:28 utc | 111
Arafat did that and he ended up forced to shit in his pants.

Posted by: Menz | Aug 1 2024 1:44 utc | 157

“Israel” is the name of a man;…
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:32 utc | 153
*Ahem*:
Hosea 2:19 Israel, I will make you my wife; I will be true and faithful; I will show you constant love and mercy and make you mine forever.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2024 1:45 utc | 158

#BREAKING Reports in Hebrew media suggest that American, United, Delta and British Airways are cancelling flights to “Israel”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2024 22:08 utc | 106
Not surprising. The Israeli outbound flights are likely booked to the max. Just a sound business decision. Empty planes flying in saves fuel and there is likely “surge pricing” on the outbound ones. $$Ca-Ching$$

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 1 2024 1:45 utc | 159

You do not have to spend long in Israel or to work with and for Israelis to understand that the State, culture, society and most of the people are mentally ill to the point of psychosis. They were invented in bigotry, hatred and violence and nothing has changed. They hate the native people of the land they have stolen because they exist as Christians and Muslims. They despise non-Jews in general but Palestinian non-Jews in particular.
Israelis are brainwashed from birth and so are many of their supporters, to believe they are superior as humans, never wrong, eternal victims and that no-one has the right to call them to account or to condemn their sadistic and bestial behaviour. The end result of indulgence, self-inflicted and aided and abetted by the world for too long, is systemic insanity.

Posted by: rosross | Aug 1 2024 1:49 utc | 160

Re: Canceled airline service into Israel – Anyone check the stocks of major airlines for put options or selloffs? Perhaps they all saw some ‘unusual’ activity in the markets?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 1 2024 1:51 utc | 161

*Ahem*:
Hosea 2:19 Israel, I will make you my wife; I will be true and faithful; I will show you constant love and mercy and make you mine forever.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2024 1:45 utc | 158
_____
*AHEM*
Israel was the name the OT god gave Jacob, son of Isaac, after Jacob’s battle with the angel. Genesis 32:28.
Don’t confuse a metaphor for a person.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:52 utc | 162

Delhiliterally@2223
Target may well be the British founded and still controlled Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Most of their population are Palestinian…at least a moderate majority of the entire population. Even though the rescuers might emanate from Shia militias in Iraq, a sizable force, backed by Iranian missilry, could rapidly take down the regime. The mass of the people would welcome them with Hummus, Falafel, olives and pita bread.
A liberation of Jordan would immediately send shockwaves throughout the Gulf dictatorships…including that of the Saudis, who would have heard from both Iran and Yemen that they best not interfere. The U$$A military in Gulf bases would be greeted by demonstrations on the part of inspired locals. The demos would be peaceful, but very demonstrative. Again, Iran would have their back. The U$$A corporate oil monopolies would be informed that closure of the Straits of Hormuz would be a piece of cake. Influence of Big Oil on the Di$trict might suffice to overcome AIPAC screaming and threatening.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 1:55 utc | 163

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:52 utc | 162
Jacob screwed his brother Esau out of his birthright by tricking his blind father with mom’s help. Sounds like someone who would also go by Israel.
How’d they build a religion out of thus Abrahamic stuff.
And three religions.
Jeez. Uh, hang on…

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 1 2024 1:59 utc | 164

@ lex talionis | Aug 1 2024 1:59 utc | 164
If the search function on this site weren’t utter crap, you’d see that I’ve noted several times that “Israel” is the only country named after a swindler.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 2:04 utc | 165

That they haven’t means the Jews aren’t ready. They’re bluffing For Iran and Hezbollah and Ansar Allah, the time to pounce is now.
Posted by: Chas | Aug 1 2024 1:07 utc |
The US would immediately support Israel with troops and fire power.

Posted by: Menz | Aug 1 2024 2:04 utc | 166

Michaelj72@2024
Thanks for sharing those perceptive analyses.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:06 utc | 167

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 2:04 utc | 165
I don’t doubt it at all! (it was this not thus in the post, too.)

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 1 2024 2:10 utc | 168

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 0:24 utc | 142
Indeed. I’m guessing Israel keeps upping the ante because its only hope is dragging the US into a wider war.
And this is obvious enough that the winning strategy IS to avoid that.

Posted by: JAB | Aug 1 2024 2:13 utc | 169

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 1:43 utc | 156
Taalat at would have had to acquire big power from somewhere as the Turkish system is in insular and reacts with a great deal of hostility towards someone at that class and age, outside the military, challenging the society so he could not have acquired it organically. Masonic and Donmeh makes sence, but I doubt there would be any historical literature on this. It also implies that Armenian Genocide thing was actually just another Zionist Genocide for Israel as Sultan Hamid II refused to sell Israel to the Zionist.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 1 2024 2:15 utc | 170

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 1 2024 1:45 utc | 159
HOW can we get data on the exodus from Israel?

Posted by: JAB | Aug 1 2024 2:16 utc | 171

Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 22:59 utc | 127
Because he can operate a telegraph machine, he took control of the Ottoman Empire, no war, no battles, just clicking away at the telegraph? Doesn’t that sound a little implausible to you? Turkish society is sophisticated, hierarchical and fairly classist; how does an outsider not only break into that as an outsider but usurp its rulers?
Posted by: Turk 152 | Jul 31 2024 23:29 utc | 132
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Actually, the bf comment above sounds a bit silly to me.
If you read that brief bio carefully and also the Wiki entry on him I think you will find quite a lot of thought-provoking information on him and his rise to power.
Why do you call him an outsider? Here is info on his home town:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrianople_vilayet
I have never heard of this man before your post.
However, from this short bio and the Wiki page I learned quite a lot.
I can see strong parallels between his rise—his skill set and the steps of his rise to and grasp of levers of power—and (1) the planning that underlay the efficient, rapid eradication of Palestinian villages by the Zionists and (2) the quick achievement of control by the Nazi Party (aka Gleichschaltung) and nazification of all of German society via administrative measures crafted and carried out by Wilhelm Frick (also, BTW, minister of the interior) and (3) the importance in gaining power of controlling sources of information in a relatively information-poor environment.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 1 2024 2:21 utc | 172

malenkov@132
When the Septuagint, seven Jewish scholars in the then largest Jewish populated city in the world, Alexandria, Egypt in the 200’s BCE; created the narrative, the Old Testicles, from data drawn from numerous far older cultures and civilizations; they came up with the word “Israel” as an an amalgam from three earlier “gods/goddess”. Isis was the matriarchal goddess in much of the Levant. Ra was the ancient Egyptian sun-god. “El” referred to the Planet Saturn, which also was an object of worship in the Middle East.
There does exist the possibility that an-off this world entity was located within one of Saturn’s satellites…the one which does not appear planetarially “organic”, rather a massive engineering feat.
Those Septuagint men were quite clever in creating the Old Testicles out of whole cloth…or rather from a patch here and a patch there. Yeah, one could assert that they were in the equivalent of the Lower East Side “rag trade” ca. 1913.
Israel is a construct…a made up word. That pumpkin is hollow.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:23 utc | 173

Alex from the Duran said that Israel used the WhatsApp(Haniyeh was in a call with his son at the time) to get his exact location. My opinion is that they also might have done the exact same trick go hit the Hesbolla commander in Beirut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtMwfxRS4Dk
Posted by: morongobill | Jul 31 2024 17:35 utc | 34
As mentioned elsewhere, document 79. Get rid of western tech or be liable to be hit anyway it allows.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/china-wants-to-rid-itself-of-western-tech-by-2027-outlines-domestic-alternatives-in-document-79
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 17:42 utc | 35
Advice to resistance:
1: buy a Pixel phone.
2. Erase software, install GrapheneOS and F-Droid.
3. Install Signal through F-Droid.
4. Use Signal for all communication.
May not be perfect, but has to be better than using WhatsApp.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Aug 1 2024 2:31 utc | 174

malenkov@142
Your cited authors were novelists, writers of fiction, however inspired, like Hesse’s “The Glass Bead Game”. Hesse and Mann were deeply assimilated into generalized German culture.
As you may well be aware, there is NO Jewish people, while there are at least five Jewish peoples. Today’s Judaics are in the huge majority descended from converts to that cult. Even Nuts n’ Yahoos has light colored eyes…while on the other side of that background, Max Blumenthal is a type of redhead. At Washington University in the early 60’s the SAM fraternity included a guy whose surname was “Flachsbart”…meaning being a beard which is the color of ripened flax.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:33 utc | 175

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1818680628792979471
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Israel is expected be facing a coordinated and simultaneous unannounced attack from different sides of many members of the “Axis of the Resistance”. The US et al. can wait for the attack in the air but it won’t help the aggressor this time.
https://x.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1818723143546290384
Hadi @HadiNasrallah
In the past 24 hours we’ve seen Israel bombing Lebanon, Palestine and Iran, killing journalists, bombing a church, and debating the legality of raping Palestinian hostages… in 24 hours. And Israel is still allowed to compete in the Olympics while Russia is banned. Sick world.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 2:34 utc | 176

Just watched Senator Graham news conference PR stunt where he is looking for support for his latest Senate Proposal to:
Hold IRAN accountable for any reprisals or attacks of Hezbollah.
In other words, as Israel invades Lebanon or Hezbollah respond to latest Israeli Beirut attack, the U.S. will go to eat with Iran.
Frankly, I don’t think it would pass a Senate vote. It’s why all the fanfare and camera’s .
Even the most rapid warmonger, is interested in the price of gas for their constituents leveling off at 13.25 a gallon and no one going to work.
It’s a “pre-EMP” scare tactic… Israel is scared too death of the reality they will soon face with Hezbollah… probably rang Grahams phone off the hook.
He’s just standing up there with his proposed psychological warfare tactic, looking lame, since he never was a soldier in his life and he sounds just stupid.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 1 2024 2:36 utc | 177

rosross@139
That programming begins with the forcible induction of fear within the amygdala by means of the “Bris”…aka The Unkindest Cut….at the ripe old age of eight days.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:36 utc | 178

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 1 2024 2:36 utc | 177
Fixes to post
“U.S. will go to eat with Iran.”
Obviously “war”
Other should have been “rabid” not rapid.
I’ll dbl ck in future.
Link:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JoBMWg_5oNg&pp=ygUOc2VuYXRvciBncmFoYW0%3D
Also, he must have been instructed by Nuttyahoo to bring charts.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 1 2024 2:44 utc | 179

Posted by: Jane | Aug 1 2024 2:21 utc | 172
You have never heard of Talaat Pasha before, but you are lecturing me that he is like Hitler? You should apply for a position as a speech writer for the Harris campaign :-).

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 1 2024 2:45 utc | 180

@ aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:33 utc | 175

malenkov@142
Your cited authors were novelists, writers of fiction, however inspired, like Hesse’s “The Glass Bead Game”. Hesse and Mann were deeply assimilated into generalized German culture.

Might I remind you of your initial point, viz.

With the singular exception of various levels of musical genius; it would appear that the Judaic peoples are not good at anything creative or positive.

You have a curious way of admitting error, as your initial comment had nothing to do with assimilation. Hesse and Mann, by the way, weren’t “deeply assimilated into generalized German culture”; they were ethnically part of that culture, so there was no assimilation.

As you may well be aware, there is NO Jewish people, while there are at least five Jewish peoples. Today’s Judaics are in the huge majority descended from converts to that cult. Even Nuts n’ Yahoos has light colored eyes…while on the other side of that background, Max Blumenthal is a type of redhead. At Washington University in the early 60’s the SAM fraternity included a guy whose surname was “Flachsbart”…meaning being a beard which is the color of ripened flax.

So much obfuscation of the fact that at the time I referred to, the Germans thought of them as Jews, and the Jews thought of themselves as Jews too, however much they may have been proud or ashamed of it.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 2:47 utc | 181

With all due respect to Monty Python, and that is one of the best scenes in any comedy, if one uses Latin (for whatever reason, quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur…) one best get it right.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 22:32 utc | 113
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Eye-way?
Oh, and wouldn’t that be “one had better get it right?”

Posted by: Jane | Aug 1 2024 2:47 utc | 182

Menz@204
No doubt that the U$$A would support their Masters’ pet. The first introducer of non-Hebraic Jews into Ottoman Palestine was Baron Edmund de Rothschild during the 1870’s, shortly after he and his Crime Clan financed the Suez Canal. That Crime Clan also were responsible for the Izzy Supreme Court building in West Jerusalem. That building is crammed with occult imagery.
Air-power is about all that the ruptured republic’s ZOG government could employ with any level of success in that theater. The U$$A military has been reduced to the status of Mao’s classical “Paper Tiger”. A brigade of fleet Marines wouldn’t amount to shit in a major conflict. Monster transport planes could readily be targeted by Iranian supplied AA missiles. Even seaborne troops and supplies would be run by admirals a bit nervous regarding the probable presence of Russian submarines.
It’s not quite checkmate, but when it comes to combat forces of the first iteration, ground-pounders, artillery and armor…to say nothing about logistics…the U$$A combat forces can be now considered as internationally second-rate.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:47 utc | 183

Turk 152 @ 215
My perspective on bribery and blackmail by well-financed operatives still stands as a probability. Off hand, I could not provide you with sources, as I tend to amalgamate and synthesize information and never have the time to create filing systems…it would also bore me to tears.
Robert Zimmerman, better known as Bob Dylan, will ultimately be considered as the greatest Jewish prophet of the 20th Century. He has recently admitted that many of his lyrics “just came to me”. To invest the propositions of Carl Jung, Dylan was channeling the Universal Unconscious.
Dylan’s description of the power of money: “Money does not speak, it swears”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 2:54 utc | 184

Trubind1 @236
In deeply informed circles Senator Graham is referred to as “Linda” Graham. He was long ago Epsteiized, as is the case with many closeted types. That tactic works extremely well in South Carolina, a state which is infused/confused with large numbers of Born Agains, Evangelicals, Dispensationalists, Holy Rollers and general Southern Badtists.
If Mossad’s videos were to be released, Linda would not get much more than 15% of the votes.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 3:01 utc | 185

malenkov@247
There are sidebars to most narratives. Numerous Jews in 19th and early 20th Century Germany were so assimilated that they converted to one Christian sect or another. The German military apparatus in WWII, highlighted by Herrmann Goering’s second in command, General Erhard Milch, was a non-practicing Jew. It has been noted that more than 50,000 members of the German military, many of whom were officers, were at least a quarter Jewish in their heritage.
Though it cannot be proven, Adolf Hitler’s maternal heritage was from a Schickelgruber family and she served in the Vienna mansion of the head of the Austrian branch of the Rottenchild Crime Clan. That “gentleman” was known to favor young servant ladies who were buxom and wide-hipped. They were inevitably Goyls, as Brooklynese termed it back in the 60’s. In any event Hitler’s maternal ancestor got knocked-up during her time of service to the Rottenchild. She fled back to her home village and married one Aloys Hitler.
There are many twists and turns in history. Your perspective strikes me as being a bit lineal.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 3:13 utc | 186

RE: “If Mossad’s videos were to be released, Linda would not get much more than 15% of the votes.”
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 1 2024 3:01 utc | 185
Does make one wonder about the rest of the Senate?
Although in Graham’s case, there’s never been a war he wasn’t excited to throw all Americans children into with glee.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 1 2024 3:19 utc | 187

Delhiliterally 114
The Palestinians have fulfilled Islam ‘s prophecy and stayed in their country through thick and thin.
That is because I think the Qur’an makes it absolutely clear that Zionism is a preposterous invention by a disgraced outcast.
When the Captivity happened, back in the days, some Jews Got It, in other words Got what God was trying to tell them about their arrogance and brutality . They recognised the criticism and they repented, and left Babylon to go even further away from Palestine.
God made it conditional on the Jews who eventually returned to Palestine to listen to their prophets , but the Jews had already in 3rd and 4th centuries BC written the Talmud and rejected the prophets, and so God sent the Messiah peace be upon him, to re-educate them. Their rabbis denied him.
OMG this is such an amazing story, that the Qur’an confirmed what
the Messiah AS had told them , and it’s followers May Allah be pleased with them immediately conquered Palestine back for Truth.
This Crusade, like all previous Crusades, relies entirely on Christian recognition of the truth of the Messiah, not on Jews who still totally reject their Messiah Peace be upon him.
The original Captivity Diaspora from Afghanistan who are the true adherents to the message of Judaism , who recently convinced the US and UK Christians to leave their country, present a 5th column inside the
Anglosphere against the foaming bonkers, Ukrainian “”” Khazar “””, Jewish Nazis we call Neocons.
The Neocons spin doctors Netanyahu and Zelensky are giving stupidity and Paganism one last spin.
If that 5th column for the truth of Islam in the Anglosphere succeeds in reversing the Evangelical Christian , pro-fake- Zionist- Khazar-bull-shite, or if it doesn’t, the Khazar BS is working its magic as we speak, genocide , starvation, rape , blowing up innocents to shreds, phosphorus, blockage of aid.
Israel is finished. They have already finished themselves by their own batshit brutality. It is guaranteed that the Original Captivity era Diaspora will be given the honour and privilege of putting them out of their misery.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 1 2024 3:21 utc | 188

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 2:47 utc | 181
Peace be with you, Malenkov.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 1 2024 3:21 utc | 189

fyi,
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/8008
Middle East Spectator
— 🇮🇷 EXCLUSIVE: An intelligence source tells us that Iran likely won’t wait as long to retaliate as it did after the Damascus embassy attack, because a significant portion of that time was spent making ‘risk assessments’ and identifying proportional targets that would not trigger a full-scale war; after the April 14 strikes, Iran has a clearer picture of the Israeli red lines, and realizes that Israeli territory can be targeted & that Iran posesses a significant enough deterrence power to carry out a major strike
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/8009
— 🇮🇷 EXCLUSIVE: The same source tells us that Iran delayed its April 14 attack and telegraphed it a lot to see which countries would come to Israel’s aid in the ‘worst case scenario’; Iran wanted a virtual scenario to see how tight the Israeli air defense umbrella would be & what countries would participate, so that the next strike could be adjusted accordingly – Iran now has a ‘virtual map’ of all Israeli air defenses and the possible weaknesses in the canopy

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 3:24 utc | 190

Oh, and if you say “But Thomas Mann!” or “But Hermann Hesse” I’ll say: You’re proving my point.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:42 utc | 155
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Hmm, interesting . . .
Mann was the best, so that’s something . . .
Who are the writers on your list of Jewish German writers? Aside from Kafka?
Although I speak German I am fairly ignorant of German literature.
Here is a list of the 10 most important German-language novels of the 20th C. (and I added a few more names):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_German_Novels_of_the_Twentieth_Century
Joseph Roth was Jewish.
Doeblin was an assimilated Jew.
Gunter Grass was not Jewish and was a sharp critic of the Jewish state.
Uwe Johnson was not Jewish.
Bertold Brecht was not Jewish.
Max Frisch was not Jewish.
Heinrich mann was not Jewish.
Thomas Bernhard was not Jewish.
Anna Seghers was born Jewish but left the Jewish community.
And don’t forget: Karl Valentin—not Jewish!
It seems like the Gentile team holds up pretty well, but I don’t know whom Malenkov puts on the Jewish German writers team.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 1 2024 3:30 utc | 191

— 🇮🇷 EXCLUSIVE: An intelligence source tells us that Iran likely won’t wait as long to retaliate as it did after the Damascus embassy attack, because a significant portion of that time was spent making ‘risk assessments’ …
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 1 2024 3:24 utc | 190
On the other hand, striking too soon will mean striking when the Zionists are most alert.
Best to wait until they’re lulled into a false sense of security.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2024 3:30 utc | 192

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 1 2024 2:45 utc | 180
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Your comments ad hominems suggest that you know less about Talaat than I do, your handle notwithstanding.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 1 2024 3:35 utc | 193

Don’t confuse a metaphor for a person.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 1 2024 1:52 utc | 162
There are only metaphors there – no persons.
Never trust a religion with that much gender fluidity.
*duck*

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 1 2024 3:36 utc | 194

It does seem united/American might have cancelled flights to/from Tel Aviv. Delta is still flying, perhaps because they have the highest prices.

Posted by: John k | Aug 1 2024 3:50 utc | 195

The thread about what Jews are good/bad at reminded my of a remark by Einstein. He said:
“If my theory of relativity proves to be correct, the Germans will call me a German and the French will call me a citizen of the world. If it proves to be incorrect, the French will call me a German and the Germans will call me a Jew.”
It’s utterly pointless to talk about what Jews are good/bad at given the limitations that Xtian Europe placed on their lives, education, and legal rights up through the 20th century.
One of the things that is deeply irritating on MOA is the time wasted speculating about the “Jews” when the real issue is imperially backed Zionism.

Posted by: JAB | Aug 1 2024 3:50 utc | 196

Posted by: Jane | Aug 1 2024 3:35 utc | 193
Have a nice day Jane.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 1 2024 3:52 utc | 197

ZH hasa posting up with the title
US Will ‘Certainly’ Defend Israel If Attacked By Iran In Wake Of Haniyeh Killing
the quotes

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin stated Wednesday, just hours after Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh’s death, “If Israel is attacked, we certainly will help defend Israel.”
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Multiple Iranian officials have told the New York Times in a breaking story that Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has ordered retaliation against Israel for the brazen assassination by missile strike of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh which took place on Iranian soil in the early morning hours.
Officials referenced the “humiliating security failure” and that Iran must once against show “strength against the risk of escalation” in exacting revenge on Israel.
Khamenei has, according to the report, “issued an order for Iran to strike Israel directly, in retaliation for the killing in Tehran of Hamas’s leader” – three Iranian sources who were briefed on the matter said.

[in a tweet]
Iran has raised the red flag of revenge over the dome of the Jamkaran Mosque following the Israeli assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
Iran’s Supreme Leader has said, ‘It is our duty to take revenge.’

Meanwhile as Israel appears to be on an ‘assassination spree’, the body of Hezbollah’s military commander Fuad Shukr (and close advisor to Nasrallah) has been pulled from the rubble in Beirut.
Regional sources say the death toll from the Tuesday strike on a southern neighborhood of the Lebanese capital has risen to five with at least 70 injured. Among the casualties were women and children.

Phew! This is happening within a civilization war about public/private finance forms of social organization. Just saying that China has a stake in how this turns out as do a lot of other countries.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 1 2024 3:55 utc | 198

Good grief, Israel is going ballistic with panic:
https://tass.com/world/1823837
“This is another message to our enemies throughout the Middle East: We will act against anyone planning to harm the citizens of the State of Israel. There is nowhere that is too far for us to strike,” Bar said in a statement from the Israel Defense Forces.
He stated that Israel in engaged in the longest war in its history since the War of Independence of 1948.
“The Israeli Air Force defends and operates in all arenas of the war, enveloping the State of Israel with dozens of aircraft, manned and unmanned, ready and prepared within minutes for any scenario, in any arena,” Bar said.“
Guessing their inside sources for information are all dry at the moment and all the spy stuff isn’t yielding info either, so they’ve no clue at all about “response” from either Iran or Hezbollah.
All those protest marche, West Bank strike, red flag raised and such, seem to be having an affect.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 1 2024 3:59 utc | 199

One of the things that is deeply irritating on MOA is the time wasted speculating about the “Jews” when the real issue is imperially backed Zionism.
Posted by: JAB | Aug 1 2024 3:50 utc | 196
Agree on principle. I just wonder how much of the “chosen people” part of Judaism plays into the evil inherent in Zionism and what it might take on a more fundamental level to pry the two apart.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 1 2024 4:14 utc | 200