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July 31, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-182
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doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result – isn’t that the definition of stupidity?? Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:00 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:00 utc | 1
I was always under the impression that was the definition of insanity. Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 31 2024 15:10 utc | 2 “doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result – isn’t that the definition of stupidity??” These wars in Ukraine and Israel look more and more alike all the time. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 31 2024 15:12 utc | 4 Killing the negotiator… Posted by: Joe | Jul 31 2024 15:13 utc | 5 It seems they (the Zionists) want all hell to break loose in the Greater Middle East. At what point will the White House actually try to restrain the outbreak of a much wider war? Or are they planning to turn the region into a nuclear cauldron? The level of lunacy involved is shocking! How much longet can they keep escalating? This isn’t going to end well… Posted by: Lina | Jul 31 2024 15:13 utc | 6 Another day another Aljazeera reporter killed. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 15:18 utc | 7 thanks guys.. i knew it was something like that, lol.. we see israel doing this stupid shit repeatedly – knocking off leaders and then new leaders come along because the root cause has never been addressed.. Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:28 utc | 8 Reposting from previous Palestine thread: Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 31 2024 15:30 utc | 9 Lina in comment 6 asks: Posted by: Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10 @ KMRIA | Jul 31 2024 15:30 utc | 9 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:46 utc | 11 @ Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:49 utc | 12 /alights in new topic Posted by: titmouse | Jul 31 2024 15:49 utc | 13 Posted by: Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10 Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 15:52 utc | 14 /dusts Posted by: titmouse | Jul 31 2024 15:54 utc | 15 Giuseppe@1545 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 15:56 utc | 16 Could Israel be taking advantage of a period when nobody is in charge in DC? Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 17 The assassination of Haniya, a crucial and key mediator for Hamas was a step too far for Netanyahu. Targeting a mediator for the other side, particularly in a sneak attack which violates the sovereignty of another country is considered a savage violation of any and all diplomatic rules as well as international law. This in the context of whispers that Israel assassinated Raisi, and objectively assassinated Sukar in Beirut. By the same actors who assassinated Soleimani. In the context of the Gaza genocide which primary targets the old, and women and children; the use of white phosphorus (US provided) on villages of Lebanon; and the sadistic and perverted treatment of prisoners as well any and all Palestinians – all these actions identify Israel (as well as their affiliates US/UK/EU) as irredeemable to civilized parlay. Posted by: abierno | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 18 “The last photo of the martyr journalist Ismail al-Ghoul while preparing his last report in front of the rubble of the house of the martyr leader Ismail Haniyeh, west of Gaza.” Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 16:19 utc | 19 Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 17 Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 16:23 utc | 20 Iran seeking a “condemnation” of Israelis attack in Lebanon & Iran. Which again, will not be unanimous. Nice PR fanfare, but ultimately… boring. Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 16:44 utc | 21 I think Iran should hold back for a while and insist on Israel being classified as a terrorist state. Of course, this will fail at the UN but my point is to make into an explicit precedent internationally. Anything less than plain condemnation, would be then seen as permission. Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 31 2024 16:46 utc | 22 Posted by: Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10 Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 16:53 utc | 23 Eightman, Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 16:53 utc | 24 I would like to see Iran, Yemen, Iraq and Hezbollah launch a couple hundred drones and (empty) missiles to overwhelm and empty the defenses followed a few minutes later by several thousand heavy/hypersonic missiles to wipe out the entire occupied infrastructure. Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 16:56 utc | 25 Ismail Haniyeh – The Palestinian Refugee Who Became the Political Leader of Hamas Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 16:57 utc | 26 More boring reactions: Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:04 utc | 27 Palestine Chronicle live feed: Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 17:04 utc | 28 I was always under the impression that was the definition of insanity. Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 17:08 utc | 29 It ought to be clear by now that the Zionists have no intention of seeking peace as their policy is one of continual war. And it appears the Arc of Resistance is willing to be its adversary. However, as I pointed out back in November, the Zionists cannot survive a siege having a long duration, whereas the Arc can since it’s accustomed to having nothing. Additionally, the largess poured upon them by their only ally the Outlaw US Empire has its limits. Yes, a war of attrition is being waged against the Zionists, thus the similarity with Ukraine. It’s fair to say IMO that Zelensky and Netanyahu are brothers from different mothers. The conflict will continue until force from the outside is applied; I see no other conclusion currently
This comment sounds a lot like what I imagine the beady eyed shitheads who play act as Maerican strategists think. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 31 2024 17:26 utc | 31 Also you should be happy because regardless of what the actual psychopaths of Maerica think, a regional war in the Middle East would become a global conflict. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 31 2024 17:31 utc | 32 It would appear – that Tuesday’s assassination of a Hamas leader Ishmail Haniyeh has struck a chord across several West Asian countries – even more so as Mr Haniyeh was murdered in Iran while he was in the country, to witness the swearing in of the new Iranian President Pezeshkian. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2024 17:32 utc | 33 Alex from the Duran said that Israel used the WhatsApp(Haniyeh was in a call with his son at the time) to get his exact location. My opinion is that they also might have done the exact same trick go hit the Hesbolla commander in Beirut. Posted by: morongobill | Jul 31 2024 17:35 utc | 34 Alex from the Duran said that Israel used the WhatsApp(Haniyeh was in a call with his son at the time) to get his exact location. My opinion is that they also might have done the exact same trick go hit the Hesbolla commander in Beirut. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 17:42 utc | 35 Reposting from previous Palestine thread: Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 31 2024 17:44 utc | 36 albierno@1603 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:44 utc | 37 Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2024 17:19 utc | 30 Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 17:45 utc | 38 Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:04 utc | 27 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 31 2024 17:46 utc | 39 Trubind1@1644 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:47 utc | 40 Re: War of Attrition Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 17:49 utc | 41 RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 31 2024 17:26 utc | 31 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 42 19:15 (Beirut local time) Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 43 @ Ed | Jul 31 2024 17:08 utc | 29 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 17:54 utc | 44 WhatsApp? Isn’t that a Meta thing and isn’t zuck a jew? Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 17:56 utc | 45 Doing my 5-minute tour of American right-wing websites this morning, it occurred to me that even if Trump isn’t a genocidal idiot, it occurred to me that Americans on the RIGHT domestically are fully brainwashed into Islamophobia and the sanctity of the Zionist nation. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 46 Trubind1@2024 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 47 Nuclear War?! In the lands of Mesopotamia, Judea and Palestine, Anak, Israel? Not bewildering. 4200 years ago during the Processional shift of Taurus to Aries clay tablets were made to record the event. The very best rendering of the script (deciphered after the discovery of the Rosetta Stone) detail the catastrophic destruction compared to a nuclear war resulting in the decimation of Sodom, Gomorrah and three other settlements around the Dead Sea. Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jul 31 2024 18:00 utc | 48 Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 17:56 utc | 45 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 18:00 utc | 49 Yes we’d all love to see Israel shutdown forever. But one cannot act without consideration for the Samson Option. It’d also be nice if the Russians warned the Israelis: no more bombing other countries or we destroy your air fields. I suppose the Russians figure Israel wants a wider war so that would be playing into their hands. Or maybe it’s a case of Putin having a Jewish son in law. The tribe gravitate to power everywhere! Where’s Edward I when you need him? Posted by: EoinW | Jul 31 2024 18:01 utc | 50 Republic of Scotland@1732 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:09 utc | 51 I have no sources or links to offer but the assignation of Haniyeh does not “feel” right. Was he the victim of some internal power struggle? I have often wondered about what the people in Gaza think about their billionaire leaders living it up abroad. The killing seems a little too clean, and the reaction seems muted. Posted by: Matador | Jul 31 2024 18:10 utc | 52 Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 42 Posted by: fanto | Jul 31 2024 18:12 utc | 53 Trubind1@1753 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:18 utc | 54 Posted by: EoinW | Jul 31 2024 18:01 utc | 50 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 18:18 utc | 55 I know people here at the bar will poo poo this, but disputing records written in essentially stone, 4200 years ago, is foolhardy. Disputing the exact rendering of the transcription and transliteration might be acceptable but not the fact these events happened and were recorded in detail. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 18:18 utc | 56 2 Battalions of Marines (~2,500) on those Assault Ship are simply useless cannon fodder in the Levant. US Marines are light infantry, using essentially 1915 French Army operational doctrine. Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 18:21 utc | 57 James@1754 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:21 utc | 58 motorslug | Jul 31 2024 17:56 utc | 45 Posted by: rk | Jul 31 2024 18:27 utc | 59 RE: Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 47 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 18:29 utc | 60 I am not a military strategist and so would not know how force is balanced in the region from a conventional perspective. What is clear only are the forces that do exist, and the potential. Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 18:29 utc | 61 Merv Ritchie@1800 Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:30 utc | 62 . Posted by: fanto | Jul 31 2024 18:36 utc | 63 Could Israel be taking advantage of a period when nobody is in charge in DC? Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 18:51 utc | 64 Hezbollah has announced that senior commander Fouad Shokor was killed last night in the Israely strike on Beirut. Posted by: JB | Jul 31 2024 19:00 utc | 65 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 17:54 utc | 44 Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 66 Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 16:53 utc | 23 Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 67 Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 18:51 utc | 64
Imho, Jane, very. I was relieved tRump defeated Shillery, who I couldn’t fathom how she was about to become commander and chief? Wtf was all I could think. However, tRump utterly mishandled the plannedemic, because he empowered the very people he’d promised to drain from the swamp, but what truly did it for me was when tRump took credit for murdering Gen. Soleimanni along with other important military leaders. Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 31 2024 19:18 utc | 68 @ Jane # 64 Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 19:20 utc | 69 My favorite Scott Ritter quote: Posted by: Ново З | Jul 31 2024 19:23 utc | 70 @ Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 66 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 19:23 utc | 71 Colonel McDouglas: 1)believes US aircraft strike groups and U.S./Israel air power will overwhelm, overrun and destroy Lebanon and all of Hezbollah. Perhaps even “tactical” nuke in Southern Lebanon (Hezbollah). States no one in the region would interfere. Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 19:28 utc | 72 Distance of strike in Iran (red) from presidential palace (green) Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:29 utc | 73 @ Lysias #17 Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 19:35 utc | 74 @71 james Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:36 utc | 75 @75 Oop. Link broken there – just search it at wayback with original url. Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:39 utc | 76 Colonel McDouglas Is correct – A USN carrier group can carpet bomb and destroy Lebanese civilian buildings similar to what we’ve seen in Gaza. However, what USN air power can not accomplish is destroy the underground fortress Hezbollah has created over the last 16 years. Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 19:41 utc | 77 With you on the Cosmic time cycles in which you pointed out archeological evidence. Ever since the Roman Emperor Constantine employed a cultish gaggle of cronies to assemble his “Holy” Bible…complete with both redactions and interpolations Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jul 31 2024 19:42 utc | 78 @75 Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:44 utc | 79 Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 67
And a similar liberation movement to the IRA grew. Thanks you! Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 19:46 utc | 80 Hmmm, looks like the Israeli Air Force Commander just admitted they were the ones who killed Haniyeh, even though other officials decline to take credit: Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 19:56 utc | 81 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 42 Posted by: badjoke | Jul 31 2024 20:08 utc | 82 I just do not see the US letting “Israel” fall. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 20:27 utc | 83 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2024 17:32 utc | 33 Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 20:28 utc | 84 The deliberate murder/assassination of the Al Jazeera TV journalist and his camera man were part of the larger now infamous IDF Lavender AI program which ID’s any Palestinian in any profession that poses a threat to the radical right Talmudist government in Tel Aviv. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 31 2024 20:29 utc | 85 Gaza civilian toll according to Ralph Nader: Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 31 2024 20:32 utc | 86 Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 20:28 utc | 84 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 20:33 utc | 87 Following up on that thought, Netanyahu isn’t the craziest Israeli politician, like Putin isn’t the craziest Russian politician, or Zelensky the worst Ukrainian “leader”. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 20:37 utc | 88 In West Asia spying is the norm. The Ottomans were so fond of it that it poisoned their Power. Of course you don’t need WhatsApp to locate your enemy when you never lost track of their location in your country at all. Posted by: Giyane | Jul 31 2024 20:40 utc | 89 RE: Posted by: badjoke | Jul 31 2024 20:08 utc | 82 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 20:42 utc | 90 And the person we’ll have in charge when incipient nuclear war breaks out in the Middle East is … Posted by: Fastball | Jul 31 2024 21:01 utc | 91 @ Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:36 utc | 75 Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 21:02 utc | 92 Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 31 2024 20:32 utc | 86 Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 21:02 utc | 93 best way to get rid of the genocidal maniacs is to explain to all the readers of the new testament that the old testament was composed after homer, after hesiod, after plato and after aristotle, from various myths belonging to the cananeans, sumerians, babylonians and persiansfor millenia before. Posted by: Minaa | Jul 31 2024 21:04 utc | 94 RE: Posted by: fanto | Jul 31 2024 18:12 utc | 53 Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 21:05 utc | 95 re: The Intercept Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 21:07 utc | 96 @ james Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 21:10 utc | 97 While the Americans continue to claim they seek de-escalation, negotiation, and ceasefire, on the rare occasions when their position offers some detail we can see the non-negotiable demands remain: Posted by: jayc | Jul 31 2024 21:13 utc | 98 Remember when Iran responded to the strike against their embassy in March by firing missiles at Israel, and the Saudis, UAE and Jordan worked to intercept them to “prevent the situation from escalating”… Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 31 2024 21:33 utc | 99 @82 Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 21:37 utc | 100 |
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