Palestine Open Thread 2024-182
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on July 31, 2024 at 14:49 UTC | Permalink
next page »Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:00 utc | 1
"doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result - isn't that the definition of stupidity??"
I was always under the impression that was the definition of insanity.
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 31 2024 15:10 utc | 2
"doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result - isn't that the definition of stupidity??"
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:00 utc | 1
No, it's the definition of 'insanity'.
These wars in Ukraine and Israel look more and more alike all the time.
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I also want to say that it is not Iran's reputation that is harmed by these assassinations and bombings of undefended civilian targets.
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I think the resistance will bloviate a lot about it and just continue the war, they are winning.
Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 31 2024 15:12 utc | 4
Killing the negotiator...
Does not seem like a recipe for success.
Posted by: Joe | Jul 31 2024 15:13 utc | 5
It seems they (the Zionists) want all hell to break loose in the Greater Middle East. At what point will the White House actually try to restrain the outbreak of a much wider war? Or are they planning to turn the region into a nuclear cauldron? The level of lunacy involved is shocking! How much longet can they keep escalating? This isn't going to end well...
Posted by: Lina | Jul 31 2024 15:13 utc | 6
Another day another Aljazeera reporter killed.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/al-jazeera-journalist-cameraman-killed-in-gaza-attack
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 15:18 utc | 7
thanks guys.. i knew it was something like that, lol.. we see israel doing this stupid shit repeatedly - knocking off leaders and then new leaders come along because the root cause has never been addressed..
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:28 utc | 8
Reposting from previous Palestine thread:
This piece from Mondoweiss yesterday is a must read. The “ordinary Israelis” he refers to in the article are the grunts of the IOF, fair enough, but I think the indictment is much broader. From the polls I’ve seen, which unfortunately I don’t have links for at this moment (anyone who does, please post them), more than two-thirds of the Israeli public (I.e., not immediate combatants) are completely behind the genocidal actions. Chosen people my ass!
Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 31 2024 15:30 utc | 9
Lina in comment 6 asks:
"At what point will the White House actually try to restrain the outbreak of a much wider war? Or are they planning to turn the region into a nuclear cauldron?"
The foreign policies of the government of the U.S. as motivated primarily by neocons and their sycophants has two basic plans....support the Israeli state in all endeavors and weaken/destroy Russia. The problems with people who support those positions are many fold:
First of all, people here in the U.S. have not suffered from the effects of war in this country, it has always been on foreign soil that such conflict has taken place. Modern technology changes that. The people holding the levers of power believe that they can survive the effects of their warmaking...so do a significant number of their sycophants. It's hubris, plain and simple.
Second, the U.S. economy is in tatters because so many real resources have been wasted on foreign conflicts with absolutely no ethical justification or practical rewards. Add to that effect, the complete shutdown and destruction of much of the economy during the plandemic. Meanwhile, massive wealth transfer from the poor and middle class to the politically connected is taking a real toll on peoples' mental health...we have a massive homeless problem, which was totally manufactured. We have a massive fentanyl problem, which was manufactured. The education system has propagandized young people, always has, to serve the state. It's been my observation that some people are starting to wake up here for practical reasons.
It appears to me that nobody that actually has any real influence in the U.S. corporatocracy has any interest in anything other than money and power, certainly those people do not care about the wellbeing of normal people either in the U.S. or anywhere else. So, in a nutshell, it appears that the lunatics in the U.S. government will not turn down the heat until it all collapses...hopefully with as little bloodshed as possible. Individuals here who are anti-war for ethical reasons become targets fairly rapidly from the vertically integrated media apparatus (thank you Wesley Yang for that term). Finally, for me anyway, conflating America as a concept with the actions of its government is a mistake. Most of the Americans I have met are decent people but politically brainwashed.
As always, just my opinions and observations.
Posted by: Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10
@ KMRIA | Jul 31 2024 15:30 utc | 9
i think what happens in an increasingly intolerant, or fanatical state is only the really brave speak out against it.. that seems to be happening in israel at present.. very few are willing to openly speak out against the insanity of it..
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:46 utc | 11
@ Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10
excellent comment... 2 questions - how is it going to change and who are you voting for in the upcoming election?? thanks..
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:49 utc | 12
/alights in new topic
Israel does want laws, rights, negotiations, truth reported, aid... anything for others. It wants to be an unaccountable, ass-raping, non-negotiable, assassinating, starvation & thirst inducing, extorting, code of silence gang of child-murdering genociders. Well, so be it. We believe what you insist on being, Israel.
And the USA is your bitch. Birds of a feather...
There is nothing left to discuss beyond how to end this tyranny. Judgment has been invited and received your plea of guilty. Confess more while you have the world's attention and sentence yet to be drawn down. I wash my wings of you. There is only United Palestine.
/dustbaths my wings
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 31 2024 15:49 utc | 13
Posted by: Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10
Spot on, man. And for anyone thinking 'the system is broken', you are wrong.
It is working flawlessly as it was designed to work - for the benefit of the few.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 15:52 utc | 14
/dusts
Correction:
"Israel does not want laws, rights, negotiations, truth reported, aid... anything for others."
/finishes dusting
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 31 2024 15:54 utc | 15
Giuseppe@1545
Incisive and well-stated...a "cri de Coeur". Thanks.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 15:56 utc | 16
Could Israel be taking advantage of a period when nobody is in charge in DC?
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 17
The assassination of Haniya, a crucial and key mediator for Hamas was a step too far for Netanyahu. Targeting a mediator for the other side, particularly in a sneak attack which violates the sovereignty of another country is considered a savage violation of any and all diplomatic rules as well as international law. This in the context of whispers that Israel assassinated Raisi, and objectively assassinated Sukar in Beirut. By the same actors who assassinated Soleimani. In the context of the Gaza genocide which primary targets the old, and women and children; the use of white phosphorus (US provided) on villages of Lebanon; and the sadistic and perverted treatment of prisoners as well any and all Palestinians - all these actions identify Israel (as well as their affiliates US/UK/EU) as irredeemable to civilized parlay.
Clearly, Blinkin, Sullivan, and Bibi are utilizing the demented, lame duck president as the goat for their actions. These actions reflect total desperation as they see that Russia/China and Iran are ever so slowly diplomatically through BRICS and BRICS partners, ASEAN, GCC and parts of Africa - encircling the hegemonic barbarians. who have fewer and fewer reliable allies as time passes. Be sure that Iran/Russia/China are talking, planning discrete actions - but no matter how hard US/UK/IS try to start World War III, they will be checked. Israel/US/EU can rage and storm, but they have established themselves well and truly as pariahs to the vast majority of the world, who are ever more closely linked politically, economically and diplomatically. Expect a reconfiguration of the UN, arrest warrants and under some as yet undefined body, very public trials for the atrocious war crimes visited on the Palestinians, as well as Druze and Lebanese.
Posted by: abierno | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 18
"The last photo of the martyr journalist Ismail al-Ghoul while preparing his last report in front of the rubble of the house of the martyr leader Ismail Haniyeh, west of Gaza."
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/315535
"Zeina Ismail Al-Ghoul has not seen her father since the beginning of the war "
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/315533
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 16:19 utc | 19
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 17
Hahaha...that's funny!!
Like israel is NOT in charge there....haha.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 16:23 utc | 20
Iran seeking a “condemnation” of Israelis attack in Lebanon & Iran. Which again, will not be unanimous. Nice PR fanfare, but ultimately… boring.
TASS
ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT
31 JUL, 11:38
UN Security Council set for emergency session on July 31 after Haniyeh’s assassination
"Following a request from Iran that was supported by China, Algeria and Russia, and serving as the rotating chair in the UNSC, we scheduled an extraordinary meeting of the UN Security Council in connection with the assassination in Tehran of Hamas Political Bureau Head Ismail Haniyeh for 23:00 Moscow time on July 31," Dmitry Polyansky said
UNITED NATIONS, July 31. /TASS/. The United Nations Security Council will convene for an emergency meeting on July 31 regarding the assassination of Hamas Political Bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh in Iran, Russian First Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations Dmitry Polyansky said.“
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 16:44 utc | 21
I think Iran should hold back for a while and insist on Israel being classified as a terrorist state. Of course, this will fail at the UN but my point is to make into an explicit precedent internationally. Anything less than plain condemnation, would be then seen as permission.
I do understand the notion that Israel has gotten away with everything but the sands are shifting. Creating an explicit issue that won't go away can have value in the greater scheme of things.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 31 2024 16:46 utc | 22
Posted by: Giuseppe | Jul 31 2024 15:45 utc | 10
Wow. Bravo. You summed up the situation here in this beacon of democracy , the USA. It's a shame. Hopefully, we wake up.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 16:53 utc | 23
Eightman,
Both the UNGA and ICJ have set into motion a process which will label the IDF and Likud as a Joint Criminal Enterprise
This means full blown asset seizures, travel bans, and all sorts of sanctions for IDF and Likud members plus canyone who had ever supported the IDF or Likud. That includes institutions such as Columbia University with its $14 billion endowment
Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 16:53 utc | 24
I would like to see Iran, Yemen, Iraq and Hezbollah launch a couple hundred drones and (empty) missiles to overwhelm and empty the defenses followed a few minutes later by several thousand heavy/hypersonic missiles to wipe out the entire occupied infrastructure.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 16:56 utc | 25
Ismail Haniyeh – The Palestinian Refugee Who Became the Political Leader of Hamas
Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 16:57 utc | 26
More boring reactions:
13:13 GMT
Iran’s Permanent Mission to the UN has vowed that Tehran will respond to the murder of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh by carrying out “special operations” which will be “harder and intended to instill deep regret in the perpetrator.”
Guess there are no more “wars”, just “special operations” The Palestinians they profess to defend, are on the ground & slaughtered hourly.
Unless a “ground invasion” under a R2P UN Charter right, the Palestinian people will continue to be displaced, removed & annihilated even as Israel systematically collapses.
Laith Marouf made the statement 4 days ago, that even as the resistance groups are gathering strength, weapons & determination, the Gazan Palestinians are not holding out well anymore under the slaughter. “The Palestinian Gazans, cannot take much more”… his words, not mine.
I recognize the Palestinian goal is Statehood and the occupation end. But now, most in Gaza are freely fleeing as an opportunity arises. Which supports the Israel goal.
Anyways, appears “struggle” will continue many more months or years even. Like Ukraine, no “big arrow” moves are coming anytime soon. I’d be very happy if wrong.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:04 utc | 27
Palestine Chronicle live feed:
UN REPORT: Israel used dogs and waterboarding against Gaza detainees.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 17:04 utc | 28
I was always under the impression that was the definition of insanity.
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 31 2024 15:10 utc | 2
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Sorry James, but I think Aye is correct. But James, where did this question come from? What comment or article were you replying to?
Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 17:08 utc | 29
It ought to be clear by now that the Zionists have no intention of seeking peace as their policy is one of continual war. And it appears the Arc of Resistance is willing to be its adversary. However, as I pointed out back in November, the Zionists cannot survive a siege having a long duration, whereas the Arc can since it's accustomed to having nothing. Additionally, the largess poured upon them by their only ally the Outlaw US Empire has its limits. Yes, a war of attrition is being waged against the Zionists, thus the similarity with Ukraine. It's fair to say IMO that Zelensky and Netanyahu are brothers from different mothers. The conflict will continue until force from the outside is applied; I see no other conclusion currently
Guess there are no more “wars”, just “special operations” The Palestinians they profess to defend, are on the ground & slaughtered hourly.
This comment sounds a lot like what I imagine the beady eyed shitheads who play act as Maerican strategists think.
The people responsible for the slaughter of the Palwstinians aren't Persians, or for that matter Arabs. They are first and foremost the crimes of Israel and Israelis. They are also the crimes of America and the West generally. Let's not pretend that Iran is somehow causing the inhuman slaughter. This comment perfectly reflects the mindset that happily murders children in order to start a war.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 31 2024 17:26 utc | 31
Also you should be happy because regardless of what the actual psychopaths of Maerica think, a regional war in the Middle East would become a global conflict.
These fucking imbeciles want their goldilocks war..not too big, not too small, but just right. Just enough to reset the economic conditions sufforcating the parasitic Empire but not so much the earth becomes a radioactive wasteland. They are of course amoral fools likely to kill us all with their brinksmanship.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 31 2024 17:31 utc | 32
It would appear – that Tuesday’s assassination of a Hamas leader Ishmail Haniyeh has struck a chord across several West Asian countries – even more so as Mr Haniyeh was murdered in Iran while he was in the country, to witness the swearing in of the new Iranian President Pezeshkian.
The death of Ishmail Haniyeh may well yet galvanise factions in the region – that were once at odds with each other.
The attack occurred just days after Israel’s Premier Netanyahu visited Washington – did Netanyahu seek permission to kill Haniyeh? from Washington – I doubt it myself.
The assassination of Haniyeh – reminds me of the assassination of Iran’s General Soleimani by the Americans – in that Israel like the US has no qualms about murdering folk in third-party countries.
I think its very likely that a retaliatory strike against Israel is on the cards – no doubt (US) forces in the region are now on high alert as well.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2024 17:32 utc | 33
Alex from the Duran said that Israel used the WhatsApp(Haniyeh was in a call with his son at the time) to get his exact location. My opinion is that they also might have done the exact same trick go hit the Hesbolla commander in Beirut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtMwfxRS4Dk
Posted by: morongobill | Jul 31 2024 17:35 utc | 34
Alex from the Duran said that Israel used the WhatsApp(Haniyeh was in a call with his son at the time) to get his exact location. My opinion is that they also might have done the exact same trick go hit the Hesbolla commander in Beirut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtMwfxRS4Dk
Posted by: morongobill | Jul 31 2024 17:35 utc | 34
As mentioned elsewhere, document 79. Get rid of western tech or be liable to be hit anyway it allows.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 17:42 utc | 35
Reposting from previous Palestine thread:
Chosen people my ass!
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/07/netanyahus-willing-executioners-how-ordinary-israelis-became-mass-murderers/
Posted by: KMRIA | Jul 31 2024 15:30 utc | 9
I just read that before you posted it again here. I agree, very worthwhile, thanks.
It's so easy to get complacent or blasé. This will shake you anew, especially
if you follow many of the links. Goddamn, I feel so f-ing helpless.
For Palestinian mothers:How Many Tears
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 31 2024 17:44 utc | 36
albierno@1603
Thanks. Lucid observations and analyses.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:44 utc | 37
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 31 2024 17:19 utc | 30
"You have the watches. We have the time."
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 17:45 utc | 38
Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:04 utc | 27
The situation in Gaza is horrific for sure. Israel has used a massive amount of ordinance for what they view as "economic renewal" with the help of the US. I am not sure how much longer the Palestinian can hold up under those conditions.
Meanwhile the US DOD says they are all in if Hezbollah attacks Israel. Israel is obviously in no condition to attack in full at this point. Everyone appears to want to keep the pot on simmer while Gaza goes through its Zionist urban renewal. What we call in the US a Mexican Standoff.
It is horrific.
Posted by: circumspect | Jul 31 2024 17:46 utc | 39
Trubind1@1644
Please consider the impact on worldwide public opinion...it may superficially seem boring...but so is the building of a house.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:47 utc | 40
Re: War of Attrition
De-Dollarization ends the ability of Washington to fund its wars using cheap low interest debt.
De-dollarization brings peace.
My guesstimate estimate, first made in the Spring of 2022, is we should start seeing the first modest real effects of De-Dollarization in 2025; namely higher than “expected” interest rates on Federal Debt.
By 2027; we can expect a fiscal crisis as interest rates the on the 10 year exceed 7%.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 17:49 utc | 41
RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 31 2024 17:26 utc | 31
There was no intent to pass “blame” to Iran. Or any other nation besides USReal.
Only to point out, that only a Nation State can initiate via the UN Charter Article 51 Right to Protect and lawfully send ground force to protect civilians in another nation.
The resistance groups, with Yemen divided, are not Nation States. I expect zero from Turkey or Pakistan, only most likely, and able is Iran.
So unless the Nation State of Lebanon , supports Hezbollah enough to initiate a R2P themselves, the Palestinians in both West Bank, and particularly Gaza remain marginally defended
I’ve no “mindset” about “children”in war, just feel that between the cholera, polio, starvation, water & food depravity, arrests, torture and complete destruction of Gaza, and West Bank on deck, a need for on the ground protecting forces are acute. That’s all.
As for this: “These fucking imbeciles want their goldilocks war..not too big, not too small, but just right. Just enough to reset the economic conditions sufforcating the parasitic Empire but not so much the earth becomes a radioactive wasteland. They are of course amoral fools likely to kill us all with their brinksmanship.“
Completely agree. “Let me slap you, but please please don’t slap me back.. pretty please”…. Listening to Blinken idio et el… say “peace is still on the table”…blah blah…as F-16s are delivered on-site today in Ukraine as well as all this nonsense, is all out brinkmanship.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 42
19:15 (Beirut local time)
Al Mayadeen correspondent to Beirut: A body was found a short while ago, and information indicates that it may belong to Commander Fouad Shukr.
Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 43
@ Ed | Jul 31 2024 17:08 utc | 29
aye and canuck are correct which i acknowledged @ 8...
it was just a thought on the top of my head based on israels actions of trying to decapitate hamas or hezbollah leadership.. the problem with this approach is hamas and hezbollah find others to replace them... the root cause has not been addressed by israel.. instead they are repeating the same stupidity - or i should say - insanity, by doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result... instead they need to listen to what others are telling them and find an actual solution to the root cause of palestines legitimate cause here... things are getting worse for israel.. i say this based on what they are now doing here... in fact, it is going in the exact opposite direction that israel apparently wants and it seems there is no cause for reflection or a change in plans with israel either.. the world will have to step in and fix this mess.. it is also another example of where the so called unipolar leader - usa - is clearly no longer the world leader... there servitude to israel is another reason for their ongoing downfall..
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 17:54 utc | 44
WhatsApp? Isn't that a Meta thing and isn't zuck a jew?
Why would anyone not use Signal or another encrypted non-CIA-linked tech?
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 17:56 utc | 45
Doing my 5-minute tour of American right-wing websites this morning, it occurred to me that even if Trump isn't a genocidal idiot, it occurred to me that Americans on the RIGHT domestically are fully brainwashed into Islamophobia and the sanctity of the Zionist nation.
If Trump wanted to go easily on Iran (and he does not) or Lebanon, he may not be able to. Trump has his own mind but prefers to follow his conscience when it lines up with his voters. His stance on the bioweapons of vaccination is a good example of how he eventually comes around to his base even when he thinks that they are wrong. He is at the end of the day, a pragmatist with little spiritual or ideological depth.
This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. That said, I feel confident that it will eventually get better. Zionism isn't on the cusp of victory, it has been treading the waters of defeat for a year now.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 46
Trubind1@2024
Appears that you are a bit less understanding of the devoutly believed tenets of Islam...in particular, martyrdom. Yes, the central premise of the genocide imposed on the civil population of Gaza is succeeding, now mainly due to imposed starvation and dehydration.
Try to imagine how this effects the emotions and ultimately the actions of the Ummah, the more than a BILLION Muslims in the world.
As the common folk, and most professionals in the world's largest concentration camp are dying from the many outrages they suffer on a daily basis...the resistance...most particularly Hamas...continues the struggle and have succeeded in heavily degrading the enemies of humanity's ground forces, both ground-pounders and armor. For that particular reason, the Occupiers are militarily loath to assault Lebanon...except by more aerial bombardment. If they even dare to confront Hezbollah in ground warfare, they will get their shitty asses handed to them by that powerful resistance force.
You appear to suffer from an inability to flesh out the bigger picture in this existential conflict. It most certainly is not a video-game. The Izzys have torpedoed their last chance for any form of a peaceful settlement by assassinating the peace negotiator for the resistance.
Thus, there will be no peace for the Occupiers of Palestine. Soon enough they will be obliged to flee. The mass of the world's people will breathe a sigh of relief.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 47
Nuclear War?! In the lands of Mesopotamia, Judea and Palestine, Anak, Israel? Not bewildering. 4200 years ago during the Processional shift of Taurus to Aries clay tablets were made to record the event. The very best rendering of the script (deciphered after the discovery of the Rosetta Stone) detail the catastrophic destruction compared to a nuclear war resulting in the decimation of Sodom, Gomorrah and three other settlements around the Dead Sea.
Today we change from the processional shift age of Pisces to Aquarius.
The clay tablet records relate these particular age changes as from one political ruling family (Enlil) to the other family (Enki).
As most at the bar know all media stories are theatre. Entertainment for the masses. One always must look behind the curtain.
2024BC was the detailed date when Sodom was nuked. I love numbers, so do those two ‘actual’ ruling political families. Troy was not a mythical story. 2024 AD is circumspect indeed.
I’ll be surprised if this fight over control does not go nuke. I have some faith in my fellow man that sanity will prevail.
I know people here at the bar will poo poo this, but disputing records written in essentially stone, 4200 years ago, is foolhardy. Disputing the exact rendering of the transcription and transliteration might be acceptable but not the fact these events happened and were recorded in detail.
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jul 31 2024 18:00 utc | 48
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 17:56 utc | 45
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As someone who has been under surveillance, the only way to hide online is to stay offline.
The idea of "secure apps" is a delusion meant to sucker in the naive, IMO.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 18:00 utc | 49
Yes we'd all love to see Israel shutdown forever. But one cannot act without consideration for the Samson Option. It'd also be nice if the Russians warned the Israelis: no more bombing other countries or we destroy your air fields. I suppose the Russians figure Israel wants a wider war so that would be playing into their hands. Or maybe it's a case of Putin having a Jewish son in law. The tribe gravitate to power everywhere! Where's Edward I when you need him?
What I would suggest is that the Resistance respond to these targeted assassinations with some of their own. These endless wars all began with the attack on Yugoslavia. They've continued because the warmongers responsible never pay a price for their crimes. The western media used to have a conscience and would shame our politicians into behaving. Today the media are war criminals too - accessories after the fact.
I don't think all of western society is sick in the head. Yes we're incredibly spoiled and our moral values are rather wishy washy. But it's the top 1% and their sycophants who are responsible for these war crimes. Maybe if they knew their own lives would be at risk...
Israel is a special case as it's an entire nation behaving like a rabid dog. But if one can't resort to war because of the nuclear threat, then they'd better find a Plan B soon.
I'm not seeing any Plan B from the Resistance. I'm only seeing the Putin policy of turning the other cheek. And those amazingly flexible Red Lines!
Perhaps it is simple minded to think they can crash every western economy if they take action that's shocking enough. However this War of Attrition has the goal of avoiding a larger war until the West collapses. Maybe it's time for Iran to make a big push to bring the western fraud down?
Posted by: EoinW | Jul 31 2024 18:01 utc | 50
Republic of Scotland@1732
That U$N armada, allegedly entering the eastern Med in order to evacuate Westerners from Lebanon are simply being employed as a cat's paw by the ruling Bank$ter Elite...controllers of ALL the Western central banking establishments.
This utterly stoopid and potentially self-sacrificing move in order to bolster the tottering Occupiers of Palestine are there as the equivalent of "suicide bombers"...a force which could rapidly be utterly demolished by the tens of thousands of missiles possessed by Hezbollah.
Nuts n' Yahoos and his masters in City of London and Wall $treet are doing their level damndest to get our ruptured republic into the war against the entire Muslim world. Potential deaths of American sailers will be heavy on the hands of their "superiors" in the Di$trict of Corruption and ultimately of the Talmudist Bank$ter Agenda.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:09 utc | 51
I have no sources or links to offer but the assignation of Haniyeh does not “feel” right. Was he the victim of some internal power struggle? I have often wondered about what the people in Gaza think about their billionaire leaders living it up abroad. The killing seems a little too clean, and the reaction seems muted.
Posted by: Matador | Jul 31 2024 18:10 utc | 52
Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 42
re R2P - it is revolting, it makes me feel like to vomit, when I think of the falsehood of nations in the NATO club - they were gang ho on attacking Serbia, when 10 to 12 Tsd Serbs were killed in the Yugoslavia wars in 1990s and now - not a peep to defend Palestinians, when their death toll is reaching soon a quarter million!!!! It is an indication, how powerful the mass media have been. They are the culprits, they are controlled by money changers.
Posted by: fanto | Jul 31 2024 18:12 utc | 53
Trubind1@1753
Back to research for you, sirrah. Yemen is NOT a "divided nation". The Yemeni government by the Ansar Allah is located in Sanaa, the national capital. The vast majority of Yemen's people are located within that realm of governance.
The ousted dictator of Yemen cowers in some hidden-hole in Saudi. He is a mere puppet of the Wahabi regime. Do you persist in a habit of accessing boobtoob noose on the nightly propaganda system in the U.$.? As one who has never allowed a boobtoob into my home; I can only pity those who habitually expose themselves to Bernaysian mind-control mechanisms.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:18 utc | 54
Posted by: EoinW | Jul 31 2024 18:01 utc | 50
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The only option that Israelis are increasingly exercising is the SAMSONITE option. Better to flee than to die. I think that subconsciously many Jews that there isn't a glorious afterlife waiting for them, not that many of them actually believe in God.
You say it's the top 1% (who you tacitly support by not leaving). If people were truly offended and outraged by their leaders, they would show signs of it beyond the impotent public protests that Europeans seem to favor. People confuse talk with action. If they say they don't support the elites, that is the same as withdrawing physical and tangible support for the elites.
When you write about the Resistance, clearly you're not accounting for the economic, diplomatic, reputational, and organizational work that the Resistance does. It is a very Western mindset (ironic given the weakness of the West in this regard) to see everything in a kinetic military dimension.
Who is winning the economic battle? The West or the Resistance? Who is winning the infrastructure battle? Who is winning the spiritual battle? Who is winning the diplomatic battles?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 18:18 utc | 55
I know people here at the bar will poo poo this, but disputing records written in essentially stone, 4200 years ago, is foolhardy. Disputing the exact rendering of the transcription and transliteration might be acceptable but not the fact these events happened and were recorded in detail.
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jul 31 2024 18:00 utc | 48
Care to adjourn on the open thread? Me and at least Norwegian would probably discuss the matter.
BTW consider that anything written 4.200 years ago concerned things much earlier. 2024 BC is between the end of Gutian invasion/rule and some sacking by Elam, not what you mention.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2024 18:18 utc | 56
2 Battalions of Marines (~2,500) on those Assault Ship are simply useless cannon fodder in the Levant. US Marines are light infantry, using essentially 1915 French Army operational doctrine.
1. Carpet Bomb before the advance
2. Advance gingerly
3. Come under fire
5. Stop; call in Airstrikes
6. Wait
7. Advance gingerly
8. Come under fire
9. Stop; call in Airstrikes
Repeat as necessary
Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 18:21 utc | 57
James@1754
Agreed. The old adage is a perfect fit: "Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad (insane)".
The fall of the Zionist entity is ever more probable...as it is being revealed as Humpty-Dumpty.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:21 utc | 58
motorslug | Jul 31 2024 17:56 utc | 45
Not all Signal code is open source, and they like to publish with a great delay, not the current version. New laws will kill encryption anyway. All email providers must give access to unencrypted data, if they say otherwise it's a lie. This will be great when social credit score becomes the new normal
Posted by: rk | Jul 31 2024 18:27 utc | 59
RE: Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 47
“Appears that you are a bit less understanding of the devoutly believed tenets of Islam...in particular, martyrdom”
True.
“You appear to suffer from an inability to flesh out the bigger picture in this existential conflict.”
True. I’m more microcosm than macrocosm, but it’s fluid depending on my perception of needs and danger. Sometimes you have to zoom in, and sometimes you have to zoom out. It’s true I’m not “fixed” in any picture. But Laith Marouf’s words and genuine heartfelt “Gazans can’t take much more of this”…. Caused me to zoom in and react a bit.
All of us here want a free Palestine and USreal punished for decades of murderous decadence.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 18:29 utc | 60
I am not a military strategist and so would not know how force is balanced in the region from a conventional perspective. What is clear only are the forces that do exist, and the potential.
It would take a ground war to empty Palestine of occupiers. This is where military strategists would be able to give a closer estimation. Even the destruction of air bases, and with availability of effective surface to air missiles, being able to over-run armoured defences, the US would likely then intervene using exterior bases, to curtail the offensive.
I just do not see the US letting "Israel" fall.
That is why all talk is of regional war. Attacks on US assets in other countries, popular uprising, change of foot of neighbouring countries, confrontation between major powers even. That is not even to mention "Israel" nuclear capability.
It is all a bad equation, and there will never be a good time to initiate hostilities. "Israel" will continue with its own blatantly perverse show whether politically moderate or strict, whether largely isolated or if being aided. That would mean eventual complete annexation of Gaza and West Bank, a new 20km buffer zone into Lebanon, and a near endless continuation of the killing and suffering. UN and international condemnation would be looked on as irrelevant, or a sideshow for which a few responsible could be sent off for a slap on the wrist. "Israel" knows who its friends are. To expect the US to turn against "Israel" in any meaningful way is not possible to consider, given what it currently accepts.
All this consideration though, in reality there is no way to know what any outcome will be until whoever might act, acts.
We cannot sit idly expecting or encouraging other nations to sacrifice their people and wealth to resolve the circumstance either. Especially not when our own nations are facilitating the killing.
So I just wonder what it will take to break western nations out of the spell they live under, in the least amount of time.
That would be the least destructive way of ending the atrocity, and would allow Palestinians and their allies to return Palestine to its people.
"Israel" needs to be de-recognised, its embassies expelled, its nationality status anulled, its accounts frozen. Those could have been used to disuade its excesses, due to ineptitude or corruption were not, now those actions can be used for a more definite purpose.
Our choice, and not their business at all what that should be.
@58 They also say there is method in madness.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 18:29 utc | 61
Merv Ritchie@1800
With you on the Cosmic time cycles in which you pointed out archeological evidence. Ever since the Roman Emperor Constantine employed a cultish gaggle of cronies to assemble his "Holy" Bible...complete with both redactions and interpolations...the spiritual messages of Jesus, the Anointed One...were hijacked and hung up upon a cross.
Followed "Holy Mother Church" and their Dark Ages, as the Wisdom Schools were demolished, as were the great temples of antiquity, while philosophers and Gnostics were deliberately murdered and massacred by the deracinated religionist fanatics of the JudieChristie MagickMindfuck. Civilization was demolished as part of a negative agenda which deviated understandings which had been realized for numerous centuries...during the entire Epoch of Kali Yuga. That devolutionary cycle is now in its ultimate decline.
The pathway to renewal is spiritual in essence, while being played out in political, military and ultimately economic gamesmanship by the terminally deluded.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:30 utc | 62
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Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 17:59 utc | 47
yes, I hope, the demise of the Israel project will come through the economy, not through some Wunderwaffe of Jewish ingenious physicists. The threats of Netanjahu in the Congress will be null and void (he was talking about the 'most modern weapons' or something like that).
The patience and endurance will pay off, without the Samson option, in my opinion.
The issue of the fleeing Zionazis to the other countries, mainly USA, Germany, Argentina, is a tough one; They will profess that they were "against Likud", they "were for Palestinians", they "were and are lily white unschuldig" - and many of them will be believed, many of them will escape the wrath of revenge. But some will not be credible witnesses. It will be difficult to separate the good from the bad ones. There will be a guarded "sigh of relief".
Posted by: fanto | Jul 31 2024 18:36 utc | 63
Could Israel be taking advantage of a period when nobody is in charge in DC?
Posted by: Lysias | Jul 31 2024 16:03 utc | 17
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Exactimundo.
Related to my thought, namely, they are going hog wild because somehow that creates facts on the ground that presents a challenge/problem to both the candidates qua candidates and the eventual winner.
Meanwhile no one is in charge to impose any policy, give instructions to diplomats (I know I know, but still) or other govt reps such as SecDef (I know I know).
Perfect situ for Net/tail to wag US/dog.
US public and ROW is left to wonder whether the US actually did greenlight any of this S--- when Net was in DC.
Some here have referenced a video of Trump walking away from Net but I have not seen it. Does anyone have a link?
Somehow I cannot see Trump going along with the "protect the rapists" scenario. Am I being naive?
Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 18:51 utc | 64
Hezbollah has announced that senior commander Fouad Shokor was killed last night in the Israely strike on Beirut.
Natanyahu stated that Israel has dealt a crushing blows to Iran agents.
My guess is, without elaborating, that the US launched the missile that killed Haniyeh. That's what they do, just like with Soleimani.
Of course the US is saying that they were not informed in advance about the targeting of Haniyeh (which, by the way, implies Israel responsibility). I don't believe a word the US officials are saying. Not a word.
And now they are "working" to "take the temperature down" and resolve everything through diplomacy! (Austin).
It is high time for these arrogant, vulgar bullies to disappear from the stage and our lives.
Posted by: JB | Jul 31 2024 19:00 utc | 65
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 17:54 utc | 44
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Thanks, james for the response. Israel is not interested in peace or a two-state solution, and the world is starting to catch on to the Zionist game being played out on the world stage since 1947.
See the article below, it explains toe things: One, how the Zionist in occupied Palestine avoided their responsibility to allow for a free and Sovereign state, and two: why the world and the UNSC ( on UN bodies and courts) did nothing about the Zionist crimes committed against the Palestinian people in occupied Palestinian.
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/
Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 66
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 16:53 utc | 23
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Re Black and Tans/Wolfetones/Ireland&Palestine (previous thread),
I finally opened Jeffries, "Palestine: The Reality," and started reading.
His opening sentence:
"In 1922 Lord Northcliffe, visiting Palestine and perceiving the results of our government there, declared that we were making a second Ireland of that country."
Bang!
I have read a couple of chapters. Jeffries's style and reporting are scimitar sharp, with plenty of sly digs, too. Definitely worth looking into if one can get the book.
Here is some more info, for the interested:
https://balfourproject.org/and-the-best-book-about-the-balfour-declaration-is/
Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 67
Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 18:51 utc | 64
"Somehow I cannot see Trump going along with the "protect the rapists" scenario. Am I being naive?"
Imho, Jane, very. I was relieved tRump defeated Shillery, who I couldn't fathom how she was about to become commander and chief? Wtf was all I could think. However, tRump utterly mishandled the plannedemic, because he empowered the very people he'd promised to drain from the swamp, but what truly did it for me was when tRump took credit for murdering Gen. Soleimanni along with other important military leaders.
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 31 2024 19:18 utc | 68
@ Jane # 64
Jane,
That video of Trump was on the last thread and I, for one, am sure it was an old video from several years ago when the two had a spat because Netanyahu congratulated Biden for winning in 2020. It pissed Trump off to no end. Trump and Netanyahu totally made up with each other last week and Trump is encouraging Israel to finish the Palestinians off fast. Trump has said nothing at all regarding the Israeli rapists, nor about the suffering of the Palestinians. He is consistently pro-Israel.
Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 19:20 utc | 69
My favorite Scott Ritter quote:
" Scott Ritter - Israel are evil. Israel must be annihilated. Eliminated as a nation state. It has no right to exist. "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAmOn56EVHg&t=693s
Posted by: Fred | Jul 31 2024 6:23 utc | 281
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Several weeks ago there was a post at MOA that showed Scott addressing (in Russian) several thousand Chechnian soldiers (surely one of the high points of the retired colonels life). It must have occured to him how effective they could be at house clearing in Occupied Palestine - coming down from Syria through Haḍbatu l-Jawlān with Hezb'allah to their right.
Israel delenda est!
Now with regard to that bullshit truism attributed to that jew humbug Einstein about repetition and madness. Of course one can keep on repeating an actions and expect a different result - providing some externality(s) change! As Bob Marley sang "every day the bucket go to the well, one day the bottom drop out!"
Israel delenda est!
Posted by: Ново З | Jul 31 2024 19:23 utc | 70
@ Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 66
thanks ed.. i don't feel like giving my e mail to the intercept, so i am prevented from reading the article.. cheers.
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 19:23 utc | 71
Colonel McDouglas: 1)believes US aircraft strike groups and U.S./Israel air power will overwhelm, overrun and destroy Lebanon and all of Hezbollah. Perhaps even “tactical” nuke in Southern Lebanon (Hezbollah). States no one in the region would interfere.
2) Believes Israel even has green lite to attack Iran if needed.
3) States only possible challenge would be Turkey going thru Syria. Basically stating Israel so powerful, can take on Hamas, Lebanon, Syria and Iran and still be victorious, standing on the dead bodies of all opposing nations.
4) Oh, and can move ship out of the range of being fired upon, but still fire on others and rule the sea.
Also, stated no “peace” deal will ever happen. Capitulation, removal of all Palestinians . Otherwise, happy to go to war.
Only concern… real concern, is Russia.
Even if I don’t agree, hearing another side, certainly brings a devastating picture all around.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 19:28 utc | 72
Distance of strike in Iran (red) from presidential palace (green)
https://t.me/gazanewsnow2021/151919
"Hezbollah publishes a video of Hajj Fouad Shukr"
https://t.me/gazanewsnow2021/151903
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:29 utc | 73
@ Lysias #17
"Could Israel be taking advantage of a period when nobody is in charge in DC?"
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Hah, I asked that at 9 am Eastern Time on the other thread. Biden has not spoken publicly for himself about the assassination at all yet. Not even up to this minute. All I can find is this from the White House SPOX, Kirby, who said:
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White House adviser John Kirby has been speaking to the press. Here are the main points he made:
The White House is not in a position to confirm the events in Tehran and whether the killing of Hamas’s political chief Ismail Haniyeh was Israel’s doing. I can state that I had no conversations around that reporting that I can speak of today.
Achieving a deal in Gaza has always been a complicated process. It’s too soon to know what any of these reported events could mean, but we’re not going to stop working on it.
We don’t believe that an escalation in the Middle East is inevitable, and there’s no signs that an escalation is imminent. This is something that has been a concern all along since October 7.
The president was briefed on the reports of the events in the Middle East but I’m not going to comment on the exact timing.
- from aljazeera live- blog
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Biden seems to be hiding from the entire thing. Either he is comatose or he is simply not in charge any more at all. It is rather bizarre that the US president would not make some comment, even if just on twitter, about the situation, but there has been complete silence. A few spokes-people and Kamala (all of whom swear fidelity to the Zionist entity) issued statements, but not one fucking word from the POTUS.
I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but seriously - what the hell is going on in DC?
Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 19:35 utc | 74
@71 james
Must be you, no email request here and not logged with the site at all. Wayback is often good
http://web.archive.org/web/20240202120842/https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/">https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/">http://web.archive.org/web/20240202120842/https://theintercept.com/2023/11/28/israel-palestine-history-peace/
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:36 utc | 75
@75 Oop. Link broken there - just search it at wayback with original url.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:39 utc | 76
Colonel McDouglas Is correct - A USN carrier group can carpet bomb and destroy Lebanese civilian buildings similar to what we’ve seen in Gaza. However, what USN air power can not accomplish is destroy the underground fortress Hezbollah has created over the last 16 years.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 31 2024 19:41 utc | 77
With you on the Cosmic time cycles in which you pointed out archeological evidence. Ever since the Roman Emperor Constantine employed a cultish gaggle of cronies to assemble his "Holy" Bible...complete with both redactions and interpolations
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 31 2024 18:30 utc | 62
The “white supremisist power” elite of the Enlil political family (ruling in alternating processional shifts of approx 2200 years) never relinquishes authority easily to the Enki family which is always associated with snakes as Enki himself had the double serpent as his emblem being the medical and scientific specialist. Enlil was always the administrator.
The Enlil clan has always had disdain for humanity hence the wests perpetual genocidal behaviours on all others, like Constantine and the “Holy” Roman Empire. As for the Jesus cult, the two fish symbol Christian’s claim for Jesus and his feeding the masses with two fish and a loaf of bread is the sign for Pisces !
It was the Enki clan who spliced chromosome number two via bone marrow extracted (rib story) to create homosapiens (go forth and multiply) from the Neanderthal etc (managing to evolve too quickly - ie the missing link) creating us to be their workforce for resource extraction, primarily gold.
And we do their job well. Over 30 thousand tonnes stockpiled in pure .999 uniform bars, doing nothing, just sitting, after destroying the environment for human habitation everywhere it is extracted. Only proven productive use of gold on large quantities is for space travel. Strange coincidence.
But just like us humans these masters of our existence engage in great hostilities. And we are their workforce for wars too.
Our best and maybe only, manner to live is to accept and watch the show. Getting caught up in the details we are allowed to witness (media entertainment including this online stuff) is completely futile. Loving and hugging, having neighborhood barbecues etc is the only truth. Everything else is mind putty entertainment.
Yeah, I’m disgusted by what is being perpetrated on humanity, and yet my life style apparently is dependant on it. I wish the nazi supremacists (Enlils gangs) would learn to live and let live but I’m also a realist and understand the last numerous processional age changes. I’m lucky to be alive to witness the change from Pisces to Aquarius. Maybe I won’t suffer the consequences and will get to tell a story or two.
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jul 31 2024 19:42 utc | 78
@75
I had no problem either. I read the whole whoe thing.
Cheers,
Posted by: Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:44 utc | 79
Posted by: Jane | Jul 31 2024 19:01 utc | 67
"...we were making a second Ireland of that country."
And a similar liberation movement to the IRA grew. Thanks you!
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 31 2024 19:46 utc | 80
Hmmm, looks like the Israeli Air Force Commander just admitted they were the ones who killed Haniyeh, even though other officials decline to take credit:
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Israeli Air Force Commander Tomer Bar has said dozens of aircrafts are “prepared and ready in a matter of minutes, for any scenario, in any arena,” as tensions rise with Lebanon and Iran.
Bar said Israel was in the middle of “the longest war in our history since the War of Independence” and that the killings of a Hezbollah and a Hamas official in Beirut and Tehran had been a “message”.
“This is another message to our enemy in the entire Middle East – we will act against anyone who plans to harm the citizens of the State of Israel, there is no point that is too far for us to attack,” he said in a statement.
- aljazeera live-feed
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Posted by: teri | Jul 31 2024 19:56 utc | 81
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 17:53 utc | 42
Iran has zero ability to project and supply ground forces beyond it's immediate neighbors. Even if they could get sufficient troops to the front and had enough vehicles to move all the food and ammo to start they would be on a logistical line that is exposed to airpower.
Only Turkey could reasonably be able to make it with ground forces in sufficient strength to invade. And then they would need Russia and China to promise to step in as trade and military partners to replace NATO and the EU or they would be at risk of their 'allies' strangling them to death economically.
Posted by: badjoke | Jul 31 2024 20:08 utc | 82
I just do not see the US letting "Israel" fall.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 18:29 utc | 61
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Good. Israel can be the albatross around America's neck. I look forward to Trump sending US troops into the ME and printing more "treasure" to finance a war that cannot be won so long as the race-supremacist regime exists.
Israel can be America's the same way that Afghanistan was a quagmire for the USSR.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 20:27 utc | 83
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2024 17:32 utc | 33
Iran should have assassinated Netanyahoo in the US or on his next international trip. Tidy symmetry.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 20:28 utc | 84
The deliberate murder/assassination of the Al Jazeera TV journalist and his camera man were part of the larger now infamous IDF Lavender AI program which ID's any Palestinian in any profession that poses a threat to the radical right Talmudist government in Tel Aviv.
So far the IDF have specifically targeted and murdered whole families of police officers, firefighters, EMT's, ambulance crews, journalists, camera people, doctors, nurses, CNA's, civil servants who run the water and sewer infrastructure, priests, nuns, imans and any family with a soldier in Hamas or PIJ or PFLP service.
Thousands of homes and families targeted and destroyed in gross war crimes. Whole families exterminated. All done with the specific approval of Israeli war cabinet.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 31 2024 20:29 utc | 85
Gaza civilian toll according to Ralph Nader:
Over 200,000 killed, wounded, maimed or missing, over 2 million forced into starvation and thirst.
Prima fascia evidence of war crimes.......
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 31 2024 20:32 utc | 86
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 20:28 utc | 84
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Assassination doesn't work against heads of state. It only works against leaders of movements, where there is a single point of failure. And even then, you run the risk of killing Christ and elevating him to a Godhood he never claimed.
Any of the countries today can kill another head of state. That they don't tend to do it should leave you asking why ...
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 20:33 utc | 87
Following up on that thought, Netanyahu isn't the craziest Israeli politician, like Putin isn't the craziest Russian politician, or Zelensky the worst Ukrainian "leader".
Killing a "perceived" worst guy when he's an example counter-propaganda avatar is poor decision-making, IMO.
The Palestinian side needs Netanyahu like Biden needed Trump, and Trump needed Crooked Hillary. You can't run against yourself or against abstract social problems. It is necessary to find one person and project all of the world's sins upon that person in order to energize people.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2024 20:37 utc | 88
In West Asia spying is the norm. The Ottomans were so fond of it that it poisoned their Power. Of course you don't need WhatsApp to locate your enemy when you never lost track of their location in your country at all.
WhatsApp might give their location to Westerners, but I don't think Westerners understand the psychological destructive of spying.
It is literally eating your brother's flesh.
A deeply satanic, insane, perverse , antisocial, controlling psychosis.
To live in a West Asian country or near Asian people you have to maintain a constant reliance ,trust and connection to God. A trust that God sees your enemies' Satanism clearer than you will ever do.
And that Satanism will cause a far greater destruction to the Satan worshipper than death will ever cause to you. Satan sees us, and we cannot see them. Spying is pure Satan worship. Fuel for hell.
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 31 2024 20:40 utc | 89
RE: Posted by: badjoke | Jul 31 2024 20:08 utc | 82
I’m sure you’re right. I hadn’t thought of the logistics all the way through. Other than going through Syria. About as far as I got with the thought.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 20:42 utc | 90
And the person we’ll have in charge when incipient nuclear war breaks out in the Middle East is …
..Kamala Harris ?! Can you say “deer in the headlights”?
,. Or ..
Donald Trump ?! Can you say “bend over and kiss your as goodbye” ?
Posted by: Fastball | Jul 31 2024 21:01 utc | 91
@ Ornot | Jul 31 2024 19:36 utc | 75
getting an archived version is not the same as going to the link ed provided, is it??
@ Ed | Jul 31 2024 19:44 utc | 79
i have found an ''archived'' version, but your link requires me to give them an e mail... you don't have to believe me.. that's fine.. but that is my reality.. for fucks sake... why would i lie about this? i don't understand some people..
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 21:02 utc | 92
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 31 2024 20:32 utc | 86
Prima fascia evidence of war crimes.......
Prima facie
Latin ablatival adverbial expression "at first appearance"
Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 31 2024 21:02 utc | 93
best way to get rid of the genocidal maniacs is to explain to all the readers of the new testament that the old testament was composed after homer, after hesiod, after plato and after aristotle, from various myths belonging to the cananeans, sumerians, babylonians and persiansfor millenia before.
it is a theft pure and simple
Posted by: Minaa | Jul 31 2024 21:04 utc | 94
RE: Posted by: fanto | Jul 31 2024 18:12 utc | 53
Completely agree. I rarely, (if ever) have quoted any scripture, from any religious source, but your response brought this one to mind:
Matthew 24:12
“And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.”
Iniquity… a soul eater
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 31 2024 21:05 utc | 95
re: The Intercept
They used to have a 1 story max free read without subscribing (no payment required) but I've noticed since Ryan Grimm and Jeremy Scahill left to start their own substack site that has not been the case. Rumour is, Intercept is losing money and Pierre Omidyar (Ebay co-founder) is just letting it go without further backing.
Ryan and Jeremy's site is a great source, no sub needed but is nice:
https://www.dropsitenews.com/
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 21:07 utc | 96
@ james
If nothing else, set your browser to clear all data when closing and everytime you open again you'll have a clean slate.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 31 2024 21:10 utc | 97
While the Americans continue to claim they seek de-escalation, negotiation, and ceasefire, on the rare occasions when their position offers some detail we can see the non-negotiable demands remain:
- Hamas must surrender and release all hostages
- Hezbollah must retreat to other side of Litani
- Israel alone will control the security in occupied Palestine
- normalization agreements with Israel are signed
The leverage backing these positions remains:
- pulverizing the civilian populations in Gaza / West Bank
- targeted killings of Resistance leaders, soldiers, and other sectors (medical, journalists,etc)
Despite demonstrations of the Resistance's capabilities, the calculation remains:
- general impunity for escalations and atrocities, based on Resistance desire to avoid large-scale war.
The above strategy is weak in the legal and economic zones where international pressure, albeit slow and incremental, is effective. The Biden admin's sham UNSC ceasefire resolution followed by a series of atrocity attacks and assassinations by Israel has surely prompted disgust across the world, and the next round of responses by international community will be strong in legal/economic censure.
Posted by: jayc | Jul 31 2024 21:13 utc | 98
Remember when Iran responded to the strike against their embassy in March by firing missiles at Israel, and the Saudis, UAE and Jordan worked to intercept them to "prevent the situation from escalating"...
Guess that doesn't work the other way, huh?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 31 2024 21:33 utc | 99
@82
I don't think that Iran would make the same mistake as Iraq did. You would have to ask what force was available to interupt a very distributed movement or supply chain. Syria is a friendly supply base already. Iraq as sovereign might not intervene even, US bases might be crippled and busy with other, but most of all surface to air missiles might prove dissuasive for more than very targeted strikes. That is just to say nothing is given. Air power has been effective but has not been challenged yet. Opening even a limited but equiped Syrian front, and with Lebanon open, it would be very dificult for "Israel". Along with missile saturation and whatever else could be cooked up. I could not imagine.
It would depend how much the US would throw into it all, what counter measure the resistance had available etc.
But I am completely speculating here, I just do not know what is possible...or better said too much is possible to be able to figure.
Turkey, Turkey houses US nuclear weapons at Incirlik. If it enterred the fray there would be a lot else to figure out.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2024 21:37 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result - isn't that the definition of stupidity??
Posted by: james | Jul 31 2024 15:00 utc | 1