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July 28, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-179

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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How was such light, small fragmentation able to cause such focused casualties?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 7:47 utc | 97
The timing, circumstances and limited area preclude a random landing of an errand missile. This strike was targeted to maximize sympathy for Israel without the need for killing Israelis, which might trigger domestic investigation, and was timed to counteract Kamala’s criticism during Netanyahu’s American visit.
The announcement by the UK to support war crimes indictments against Netanyahu probably further motivated the need to drum up sympathy and opportunity to play the victim by the Zionist fanatics.
Thus we have the spectacle of Zionist fanatics who routinely speak of deporting Israeli Arabs and “mowing the lawn” of Gaza full of Arab children seeking photo opportunities at the funerals of Arab children.

Posted by: delhiliterally | Jul 29 2024 8:23 utc | 101

Oh, the shame of being friends of Israel…there is none. US, western media, controlled by purposeful and useful Zionists alike. Truly a disgusting that they use the general peacefulness of normal people and push the murderous envelope

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Jul 29 2024 9:07 utc | 102

Meanwhile back to the (plausible) Genocide:
Thousands of Palestinian families continue to flee the central Gaza refugee camps of Bureij and Nuseirat following fresh Israeli displacement orders issued on Sunday.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/gaza-live-beirut-flights-cancelled-fears-israeli-attack-grow

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 9:17 utc | 103

Note – as the occupying power, it’s the Likud gov’ts responsiblilty to house,feed, and protect the civilian population of Gaza. As a practical matter that means in places outside the war zone such as Jaffa, Deir Yassin, Beersheba, etc.

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 9:20 utc | 104

From a few months ago;
“….There are EU nations refusing to partner with
Israel’s genocide and vow to continue funding UNRWA:
Ireland 🇮🇪
Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
Belgium 🇧🇪
Luxembourg 🇱🇺
Norway 🇳🇴
Slovenia 🇸🇮 doubled funding
Portugal 🇵🇹 donating an extra €1ml
Spain 🇪🇸 trebled funding to €50ml….”

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 9:23 utc | 105

An interesting examination by Laith regarding latest developments.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uBzl9eGsazI&pp=ygUMbGFpdGggbWFyb3Vm
Time Stamp 5:00
Laith Marouf does excellent job explaining current larger picture of movements. Worth listen as he is much more specific and refined in speech and able to articulate point, I can only very crudely offer snapshot:
1) Draws parallel between recently rushed Syrian Assad & Erdogan. Explains a recent Kurdish (Syrian) move that released over 6000 Wahhabbi/ISIS prisoners and threw them into the desert.
2) Suggests per US masters, will begin campaign against N. Syria, “resurgence” of course will necessitate more U.S. troops or “bombings” by U.S. in Syria.
3) Suggest recent Golan Heights Druze was interconnected with Syria campaign coming, not isolated PR campaign to escalate Lebanon solely.
4) Turkeys role would be eliminating Kurdish proxies, in both Syria & Iraq, not necessarily Palestine, but will free up resistance groups.
5) Turkey & Syria will have to work together for the success of the Palestinian cause.
And much more, that was just about 3 mins worth of vid.
In all this Israel/Lebanon chatter, I had over looked the yapping U.S./Israel Kurdish dogs on the Zio leash ready to do their bidding upon orders in both Syria/Iraq/Lebanon/Turkey

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 9:58 utc | 106

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Nour Naim| نُور
@NourNaim88
🚨Breaking: The Israeli army has killed Hind Muslim, the librarian at the Ministry of Education. She worked as a teacher for many years and was well-known by all the residents of Khan Younis in southern #Gaza.
https://x.com/NourNaim88/status/1817646398353137814

Posted by: Menz | Jul 29 2024 10:09 utc | 107

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
MAN REMOVED FROM BAR, ARRESTED AND SEARCHED FOR EXPLOSIVES BY GERMAN POLICE FOR WEARING PALESTINE TOP!!
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1817629224930255183

Posted by: Menz | Jul 29 2024 10:10 utc | 108

“It looks like Russia might take Nui York by summer’s end. Congratulations barflies.
“Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don’t mind the maggots.” ”
Mick Jagger
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 28 2024 17:58 utc | 9
“Maggot” is a quite self descriptive; a more descriptive phrase of your persona would be, “delusional maggot”
And you moron, Keith Richards and Mick Jagger we co-writers of the song but you are ignorant as well.

Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 10:10 utc | 109

The Cradle
@TheCradleMedia
“You murderer, get out of here!”
Syrian Druze residents of the town of Majdal Shams in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights expel Israeli Finance Minister and other members of the Likud (Netanyahu’s party) from the funeral of the 12 youths who were killed after a missile fell on a soccer field.
The Israeli media and army have described the victims as Israeli civilians, but the residents of Majdal Shams are Syrian Druze living under occupation since the Israeli army occupied the Golan Heights in 1967.
Residents of the town have refused Israeli citizenship and continue to view themselves as Syrians.
https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1817528485667074227

Posted by: Menz | Jul 29 2024 10:11 utc | 110

ADAM
@AdameMedia
BREAKING:
UN Human Rights Council finds Israel GUILTY of war crimes:
“Israeli authorities are responsible for war crimes..extermination..murder, using starvation”
No forgiveness for ALL politicians, businesses and celebrities that support/ed this.
https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1817651569351098776

Posted by: Menz | Jul 29 2024 10:12 utc | 111

Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
❤️🇻🇪 MADURO SUPPORTERS are already celebrating in Venezuela! It looks like the CIA-backed ZIONIST opposition has been defeated!
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1817709886219694334

Posted by: Menz | Jul 29 2024 10:12 utc | 112

Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
⚡️JUST IN
Dozens of Iron Dome batteries are being transported by Israel to the Lebanese front
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1817612861755261087

Posted by: Menz | Jul 29 2024 10:13 utc | 113

The riders of the [nazi genocides]…. riding it like surfers riding a wave. Surfing on the long dead bodies of [Jews] and creating a new sea of bodies to surf on.
I think you put that rather well.
Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 28 2024 21:39 utc | 40
“Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Into this house, we’re born
Into this world, we’re thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out on loan
Riders on the storm
There’s a killer on the road
His [Nutty] brain is squirmin’ like a toad
Take a long holiday
Let your children play
If you give this man a ride
Sweet family will die
Killer on the road, yeah”
The Doors

Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 10:46 utc | 114

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 9:58 utc | 106
Excellent post, thank you

Posted by: canuck | Jul 29 2024 10:51 utc | 115

So the Palestinian flag is authorized for athletes at the Olympics ceremony in Paris but not in Germany? I hope a huge crowdfunding is launched to help this guy. The politicians responsible for this new wave of fascism in Germany need to be held accountable. I repost the link, please save it to other platforms.
Khalissee
@Kahlissee
MAN REMOVED FROM BAR, ARRESTED AND SEARCHED FOR EXPLOSIVES BY GERMAN POLICE FOR WEARING PALESTINE TOP!!
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1817629224930255183

Posted by: Minaa | Jul 29 2024 10:58 utc | 116

IMO, the Chinese initiative for a minimum agreement between the Palestinian organizations and the prospect of normalized relations between Syria & Turkey freeing up Syrian forces to be deployed in the South & Eastern fronts are “fear factors” and, combined with the time frame of US election campaign, accelerators for the Zionist entity’s escapades and their “opportunity window”.

Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 29 2024 11:07 utc | 117

@Suresh | 88
OMG!!! Check out Trump’s reaction to Bibi!!!!!
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Is that a current clip? Sure looks like it was taken in the White House. Trump and Netanyahu had a falling out during Trump’s term in office, but they seem to have made up and now the hard right in the Knesset (including Netanhayu) is openly saying they hope Trump wins this next election.
Trump is openly saying he wants Israel to finish the job against the Palestinians in a hurry and his son-in-law is promoting selling land in Gaza for Zionist vacation homes when all this “is done”.
I doubt the video is recent.

Posted by: teri | Jul 29 2024 12:10 utc | 118

michaelj72 | Jul 29 2024 1:35 utc | 65
Rafah’s water reservoir blown up
. Israeli soldier from the combat engineering corps sharing footage on his personal account blowing Rafah’s water reservoir in Tel Sultan neighborhood “in honor of Shabbat” as he describes it
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Thank you for posting the videos about the Israelis blowing up the water treatment plant. These people are depraved freaks without a doubt. Ryan Grim co-wrote an article about this incident yesterday; it happens that this water reservoir is the same one that Rachel Corrie defended during the last month she was alive. The article gives lots of details and information.
Grim’s article is at Drop Site News:
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/idf-canada-well-rachel-corrie-rafah-water

Posted by: teri | Jul 29 2024 12:27 utc | 119

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 9:23 utc | 105
Aha, I do not see Switzerland in that list…
Isn’t it funny, less than 5 months after the beginning of the SMO, Cassis, the foreing minister, organised a conference for the reconstruction of Ukraine.
Now we are 9 months after the beginning of the Gaza genocide and Switzerland still does not organise an international conference for the reconstruction of Gaza.
Who owns Switzerland?

Posted by: Naive | Jul 29 2024 12:32 utc | 120

Re: Tee-Shit with Palestine Flag in Berlin
It’s my observation, based on just a few incidents, that the German Interior Minister Nancey Fraser (Green) has embarked on a ruthless campaign on anything and anyone remotely anti-genocide.
German barflies can confirm or deny my observation .

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 13:03 utc | 121

Jesus.
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July 22, 2024
Occupied Palestine (Quds News Network)- A Canadian citizen, who was protesting against the Israeli genocide in Gaza, was executed by Israeli forces. The crime occurred in the ‘Netiv HaAsara’ settlement on the Gaza border.
The young man, who arrived in the occupation state of Israel as a tourist just yesterday, was reportedly heard shouting at soldiers, “You kill innocents in Gaza,” before they executed him.
Israeli authorities claim that the man attempted to stab the soldiers. However, video footage of the incident shows that he was at a considerable distance from the soldiers and did not pose any immediate threat to them. [The still photo at the top of the article shows he was shot multiple times.]
https://qudsnen.co/?p=45511

Posted by: teri | Jul 29 2024 13:51 utc | 122

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 6:32 utc | 93
An isreal has as much right to exist, as a Palestine. Just not in its current form, it just needs to play well w others is all.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 13:55 utc | 123

I am pissed at the reporting by Xinhuanet about the bombing at Majdal Shams, the Druze town in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
Their reporting did not include any denial by Hizbollah and was totally portraying the bombing as a conscious terrorist attack all the time not putting it in perspective with the number of Palestinians dying within the same 24 hours by Occupied Palestine.
Hey Xinhuanet! Clean up your act!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 5:25 utc | 83
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Chinese journalists are just as capable of lazy copypasta from Reuters and AP as are the “journalists” at RT.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 14:05 utc | 124

OMG!!! Check out Trump’s reaction to Bibi!!!!!
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 5:55 utc | 88
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Even more amazing is that it doesn’t show Trump bent over in front of Bibi. Not that that means much.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 14:07 utc | 125

Iran could teach the Viet Minh a thing or two about tunnels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1fs9YdpiH4
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 4:03 utc | 81
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Wow! Very impressive.
I have read a lot about Iranian missiles and other military infrastructure being in tunnels, but this has been hard to visualize.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 14:11 utc | 126

@Exile 121
Faeser is SPD and appears to be auditioning for some ghastly role in the E U or NATO some such organisation.
Would agree with your observation, and Helmer has recently posted an article about an attempted suppression of free speech via the courts. They are getting more and more desperate as the lies and spin meet gritty reality.

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 29 2024 14:50 utc | 127

teri@1351
That “execution” by Izzy troops of a Canadian tourist merely yelling at them is prima facie evidence of the dystopian reality of their settler/colonialist people.
Even U$$A troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, would for the most part not have carried out such brutal and horrific acts. A group of those soldiers might have ganged up on him and beaten him severely…a more typically arrogant action on their part. Most probably their victim would have lived.
But the Izzies no longer care…as if they ever did. The Talmudist doctrines of those who are not of the “Chosen” are a lesser species has been drilled into those wounded weenies since toddlerhood.
There will be no room in future Palestine for those Izzies who have such inhuman attitudes and actions…only the peaceful Jews who get along well with others will have a possible future in liberated Palestine.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:05 utc | 128

minea@1058
Germany remains an occupied nation. Both the U$$A and Perfidious Albion refused to sign a peace treaty with ANY German regime since May 8,1945. Thusly, the German government is nothing more than a puppet regime, brutally held down by those who are the attack dogs for the evil ones in City of London and Wall $treet. Their long-held aim is to keep Germany down and Russia out.
When the R.U. completes its liberation of Ukraine from the Maidanite coup masters; things may rapidly change throughout the EU and NATO lands. Those fake entities will not last for very many more years.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:11 utc | 129

Menz@1013
Thanks for the info on the Izzies pushing their Iron Dome systems close to the border of Lebanon. Likely indicates that the assault is ON.
The quantities of missiles and rockets which Hezbollah has stored underground and capable of rapid deployment to simply smother those Izzy A.D. systems will come into play as soon as the Yiddischer Airfarce comes out in force to devastate the entire Lebanese state…in a vain attempt to convince Sunnis and Christians to battle against their protectors.
The forces of Occupied Palestine strategy resembles the “Hail Mary” pass in American football. Nuts n’ Yahoos desperately wants to stay out of jail.
An all-out attack on Lebanon will result in a Hezbollah victory, possibly even involving Turkiye as Erdogan cannot maintain his finger in the dike of national outrage.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:21 utc | 130

Thanks for the info on the Izzies pushing their Iron Dome systems close to the border of Lebanon. Likely indicates that the assault is ON.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:21 utc | 130
I wonder if they left any behind to protect the gas fields of Haifa …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 15:33 utc | 131

Add Britain to the list of https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13651241/David-Lammy-says-Britain-restart-funding-aid-body-Gaza-21m-injection-Foreign-Secretary-reverses-pause-prompted-unsubstantiated-claims-staff-involved-Hamas-terror-attacks-Israel.html
Thats progress for palistinians, and Britain under a Labour Left wing Govenment.
Step by step.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2024 16:26 utc | 132

archbungle@1533
Good point about the Izzy need to protect the Haifa oil and maritime infrastructures. We may recall that after the Zionistas pulled off their air raid on Yemen, that Ansar Allah promised retaliation. That has yet to occur.
So what we are looking at, most particularly if they assault the entirety of Lebanon; the Izzies would be massively overextended. Its the classical Whack-a-mole conundrum. No way can they protect every major asset all the time from every possible strike from one of their many foes.
Meanwhile, during the horrific genocide of the people of Gaza, the Izzy ground-pounders are getting their asses blistered. Casualty levels are top-secret…but skyrocketing. Most recently the Hamas and other resistance movements are laying on the heat…seriously degrading their armored units as well as nearly all dismounted infantry.
If Hezbollah has quietly assembled a significant anti-aircraft missilry and has yet to employ them…the last strong arm of the Genociders will be compromised as well. Just a handful of crashed American built planes and helicopters would send shockwaves throughout the “Chosen”.
That occurs and we could witness the end of Occupation.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 16:58 utc | 134

France Macron calls Iran President Masoud Pezeshkian to beg him to rein Hezbollah/Lebanon “response” and let Israel have a victory. A “limited” victory. Iran stays steady.
Press TV:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/07/29/730282/Iran-France-Pezeshkian-Macron-Israel
“Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshkian warns the Israeli regime will suffer “heavy” consequences if it makes the big mistake of attacking Lebanon.
The new Iranian president issued the warning in a Monday phone conversation with his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron.”
Another article reveals France continues to believe Lebanon is their colony still, and is actually acting in a role as messenger between Israel/US & Israel.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/iran-warns-of-serious-consequences-for-any-israeli-hit-on-lebanon/ar-BB1qPDwU
“The presidency said Macron had reminded Netanyahu that France was fully committed to doing “everything to avoid a new escalation in the region by passing messages to all parties involved in the conflict”.
The usual Israeli messages:
“Please please please let us smack you in the face and you do nothing… then peace will come…we promise”…or the not begging via threats…(ie Erdogan) “you’ll end up like Hussein in Iraq”…
Guessing all resistance groups are dying of boredom as the rest of us, regarding US/Israel ranting and ravings daily.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 17:11 utc | 135

To the commenter tracking tank kills

Hezbollah guided missile strikes an Israeli Merkava tank near Al-Raheb outpost:

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 17:34 utc | 136

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2024 16:26 utc | 132
Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour government is centre right.
So, the UK government has resumed funding UNWRA.
UK are still providing surveillance flights, weapons and logistical support to Israel’s genocide in Palestine.
Yesterday someone posted a video of another war crime, Israeli soldiers destroying a water facility. This is exactly what that war criminal Starmer said Israel “had a right” to do.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Jul 29 2024 17:54 utc | 137

Jonathan Cook is an exemplary journalist and always worth the time to read.
Just recently he had this pithy observation, which should have its place at MoA:
‘There is only one country in the world right now, in the midst of Israel’s slaughter in Gaza, where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is guaranteed dozens of standing ovations from the vast majority of its elected representatives.
That country is not Israel, where he has been a hugely divisive figure for many years. It is the United States.’

Posted by: JB | Jul 29 2024 17:57 utc | 138

Merkava Tally now 208 knocked out since 2.Oct
(Thanks for the tickler)

Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 18:06 utc | 139

Lev Davidovich @ 137
Keir Starmere is a far right prime minister, the leader of a Left wing party. A leadership stolen from the labour membership, not voted for by them. And they know it. Watch this space.
Starmer and his policys are the minority.
As an example…
The million protesters marching through London were Labour voters.
Also they know it was the jewish lobby group that stole that election from Corbyn.
Bare in mind had Corbyn been prime minister ther would be….
No virus.
No war against Russia.
No palistine Genacide.
Get on board Lev
Unless you’v got a better idea ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 29 2024 18:19 utc | 140

Germany remains an occupied nation.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:11 utc | 129
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True, and the ramifications are scary as well as absurd.
A new poisonous morsel: Ullstein has withdrawn and refused to reprint copies of Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy.
It owns/owned the translation.
Demand is high; Germans want to read this.
But I guess Ullstein—an “ancient” highly respected publishing house founded by Leopold Ullstein in 1877 with the famous owl logo—“knows better” than to let grown-ups choose their own reading material!
Their announcement is pretty silly:
“At the time of publication, the book made a valuable contribution to understanding the disintegration of US society,” the publisher said. “He is now officially acting on [Tump’s[[sic]]] side and represents an aggressive, demagogic, exclusionary policy.”
https://lunch.publishersmarketplace.com/2024/07/german-publisher-drops-hillbilly-elegy/
Sounds like a whoopsie! to me.
Maybe US society isn’t disintegrating the way Ullstein expected!
I haven’t read the book nor seen the TV thing made of it, but a lot of people must have liked it.
Stay tuned for Ullstein to bring out Kamala Harris’s memoir, “Border Daze,Yee-Haw.”

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 18:46 utc | 141

I have read the book and later watched the movie. It is worth a read or a watch. Good story.
Movie is 0n Netflix

Posted by: golddigger | Jul 29 2024 19:04 utc | 142

OMG!!! Check out Trump’s reaction to Bibi!!!!!
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 5:55 utc | 88
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Even more amazing is that it doesn’t show Trump bent over in front of Bibi. Not that that means much.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 14:07 utc | 125
Trump knows Netanyahu is the key to Miriam Adelson’s and Paul Singer’s checkbooks, the GOP’s biggest donors. Adelson last contributed $150 millions to Trump’s campaign. Netanyahu can get the millions flowing again.
One might argue who is screwing whom, since they clearly expected him to attack Iran the last time he was in office, and were disappointed.

Posted by: Delhi literally | Jul 29 2024 19:09 utc | 143

Russia and China would benefit by providing air defence to Lebanon, Iran and Syria, since Ukraine will soon be provided the same aircraft and weapons to attack Russia, and Taiwan the same.
Lessons learned defending their allies would be valuable for their own defense.

Posted by: delhiliterally | Jul 29 2024 19:12 utc | 144

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 13:55 utc | 123
States do not have rights, they have duties. If they fail those duties they are to be dissolved.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 29 2024 20:12 utc | 145

@81 Arch Bungle
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/iran-qanat-irrigation-engineering-history-video
Excuse source if that is a problem for any reason, was most obvious short explanation of an article.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 29 2024 20:21 utc | 146

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:21 utc | 130
Yiddish culture and language were outlawed in Israel until 1989. It was part of the brainwashing to convince gingers that they were indigenous to the middle east. Pick a better insult.

Posted by: badjoke | Jul 29 2024 20:25 utc | 147

Terri 119 – Why is anyone with any knowledge of the genocide now underway in Gaza and West Bank surprised by the destruction yesterday of the Canada Well, the main source of fresh water in Rafah, by the war criminals of the 601st IDF Combat Engineers.
They deliberately attached satchel charges to the water station pumps and blew them to bits. Very difficult to replace this vital civilian infrastructure. A premeditated war crime depriving hundreds of thousands of civilians of desparately needed fresh water, many of them are war refugees on the run from IDF airstrikes.
So far we have seen the IDF war criminals deliberately target UN schools (a recent favorite and packed full of children), hospitals (another favorite packed full of the wounded and the maimed, and providing shelter to war refugees), churches – schools – community halls – Holy Name and St Porpryius both in Gaza City; all civil servants such as police officers, firefighters, building inspectors, council members, clerks all murdered in their own homes by IDF airstrikes using the infamous Lavender AI system of extermination; UN food warehouses, volunteers, and aid stations workers; doctors, nurses, EMT’s, ambulance crews; foreign volunteer medical and food aid workers; imans, priests and nuns; and kids playing soccer in the streets.
Over 200,000 murdered, maimed, missing or wounded, and the toll advances daily……….with no end in slight….as the Israeli radical right wing including cabinet officers, call for the complete extermination of the Gaza population by starvation and thirst………is the ICC paying attention??

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 29 2024 20:36 utc | 149

Germany remains an occupied nation. Both the U$$A and Perfidious Albion refused to sign a peace treaty with ANY German regime since May 8,1945. Thusly, the German government is nothing more than a puppet regime, brutally held down by those who are the attack dogs for the evil ones in City of London and Wall $treet. Their long-held aim is to keep Germany down and Russia out.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 15:11 utc | 129
This.
(I was going to say that, but it appears you beat me to it.)
Every time I visit these tweets and YouTube videos discussing these such crackdowns in Germany, I look in the comments and see them act as if Germany has any agency (e.g. that Germany has gone back to its Nazi ways on its own accord, US/UK involvement be damned).
On the previous Palestine OT I raised the question of whether the readers of a publication like Electronic Intifada are remotely aware, or even care, that Germany is occupied. I refuse to believe that they are that stupid.

Posted by: joey_n | Jul 29 2024 20:40 utc | 150

these guys have been at war for months now. It’s been clearing the coast for supplies(Gaza) while it softens the north. The west needs a landing zone and Israel needs the promised land

Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2024 20:41 utc | 151

If the IDF actually decides on a major push into Southern Lebanon, and over runs the Irish UN Peacekeeping Mission troops there will be international heck to pay……
In addition the IDF IVFs and Merkavas will be met by a blizzard of Russian and Chinese ATGMs, including RF Kornets and American Javelins (provided free of charge by the US government via the huge arms depot in Kabul, now in the hands of the Taliban).
The IDF has already lost 210 MBT’s in Gaza against the Hamas and PIJ operating without air cover. In Lebanon the Hezbollah forces will have the advantage of plenty of AA missiles in addition their ATGM stocks. Did the IDF learn nothing from their 2006-07 disaster in Lebanon?
And this time the Syrians and Iranians and Russians in Syria will provide support….this will make the Gaza mess look like a walk in the park. Exactly why aside from the bombast, I believe the IDF will not do the unthinkable. The IDF reserve troops are worn out and very angry……….no sale…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 29 2024 20:49 utc | 152

@152 They fly the line often and what do we hear of that ? The talk is of clearing a buffer zone, which could simply imply targeting anything that moves in that zone. The occupation advantage is by air. The reaction by Hezbollah might be to storm the border. So it is all asymetric, for example unacceptable targeting by occupation now might lead to escalation and the above scenario.
The escalation initiative is being taken by the occupation, but escalation ability is held by both sides. Each will be calculating what scenario and timeframe suits their own strategy best.
Additionally, while attention is on the north and Lebanon, Gaza receives less notice.
So to my view, it is not possible to guess how this actually unfolds.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 29 2024 21:16 utc | 153

Has Israel backed down….again? Talks now of a limited strike against Hezbollah.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 21:24 utc | 154

Izrael, a non-member of NATO, ***demands*** from the USA & the other NATO members to expel Turkey from the organization after the recent statement of the Turkish Foreign Ministry comparing Netanyahu to Hitler and arguing that as Nazis stood trial, so Israelis must face trial for the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Which in turn was Turkey’s answer to Izzy FM Katz’s threats to Erdogan to “remember the fate of Saddam Hussein”.
Zionists feel they are sitting on top of the world…Ego Tripping at the Gates of Hell, to remember the late Louis Tillett.

Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 29 2024 21:28 utc | 155

Even more amazing is that it doesn’t show Trump bent over in front of Bibi. Not that that means much.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 14:07 utc | 125
Trump knows Netanyahu is the key to Miriam Adelson’s and Paul Singer’s checkbooks, the GOP’s biggest donors. Adelson last contributed $150 millions to Trump’s campaign. Netanyahu can get the millions flowing again.
One might argue who is screwing whom, since they clearly expected him to attack Iran the last time he was in office, and were disappointed.
Posted by: Delhi literally | Jul 29 2024 19:09 utc | 143
I should have included “Does this remind anybody of someone else 4 years ago?”

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 21:30 utc | 156

As it is illegal occupatation by Isr.-Gaza west bank and Golan etc–….no idea why the relief agencies are not sueing for reparations for absolutely everything they have done over the decades and suffered …..and will have to do…otherwise Isr is saying more fool us to have kept Palestine going and possible reconstruction? ….

Posted by: Jo | Jul 29 2024 21:32 utc | 157

Not sure if posted.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/levin-argues-arrest-of-9-soldiers-justifies-renewal-of-judicial-overhaul-effort/
“I was shocked to see the difficult pictures of soldiers being arrested at Sde Teiman the way dangerous criminals are arrested,” he says, arguing that the servicemen in question had been engaged in “holy work”
What is the holy work? In true BBC style, second last paragraph.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2q07kd3ld6o
He is said to have been hospitalised after what Israeli media reports describe as serious sexual abuse and injuries to his anus that left him unable to walk.

Posted by: Joe | Jul 29 2024 21:40 utc | 158

@ Joe | Jul 29 2024 21:40 utc | 158
Said soldiers are accused of repeatedly raping him with a metal rod.

Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 29 2024 21:54 utc | 159

Order of events in “Beit Lid”:
Police arrest soldiers for abuse of prisoner.
Pro-army demonstrators storm base and police station.
Three army battalions are summoned from west bank to protect base.
The argument would be between judiciary/police and military/leadership , up to “knesset” level. Some talk of civil war. Previous plans to control/reign in the judiciary might also be attempted to be re-implemented, or otherwise increased military/leadership authority applied.
Latest
“Herzog calls on the Knesset members responsible for igniting matters to issue statements demanding an end to the raids and restraint”
I have no idea how cohesive the occupation military actually is, I suppose there is possibility of rebellion or coup against leadership also.
Normally it will all just wash into a domestic political theme of some kind.
Meanwhile Palestinians starve
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/315063

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 29 2024 22:15 utc | 160

Israeli military police *canceled* the arrest warrants issued against the soldiers accused of gang-raping a Palestinian detainee at the notorious Sde Teiman prison and limited themselves to interrogating them, Israel’s Channel 14 reported on 29 July.

Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 29 2024 22:21 utc | 161

Polio epidemic declared in Gaza in latest sign of worsening health crisis
WHO has over a million vaccines to distribute to Gaza, but they can’t get the vaccines in because of Israel.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/29/polio-epidemic-declared-in-gaza-in-latest-sign-of-worsening-health-crisis
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And some numbers on other stuff:
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The US government currently imposes sanctions on a third of all nations on earth.
https://thecradle.co/articles/one-third-of-the-world-under-us-sanctions-report
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UN says 86 percent of Gaza now under Israeli evacuation orders
86% of the Gaza Strip is off-limits to the Palestinians due to evacuation or “no-go” orders from the IDF.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/29/un-says-86-percent-of-gaza-now-under-israeli-evacuation-orders#:~:text=UN%20says%2086%20percent%20of%20Gaza%20now%20under%20Israeli%20evacuation%20orders&text=Israel%2DPalestine%20conflict%20News,Al%20Jazeera

Posted by: teri | Jul 29 2024 22:23 utc | 162

stay calm
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1818004056016830966
Stay calm and nothing out of the ordinary is expected. No need for anyone to leave #Lebanon. #Israel’s drones are looking for a specific target in specific locations and @Netanyahu has no intention of escalating for fear of consequences & painful #Hezbollah retaliation.
If no commander-target is found, Israel will improvise against usual targets, pretending they are “very valuable”.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 29 2024 22:26 utc | 163

these guys have been at war for months now. It’s been clearing the coast for supplies(Gaza) while it softens the north. The west needs a landing zone and Israel needs the promised land
Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 29 2024 20:41 utc | 151
I see it’s been clearing Israel and softening the IDF in the north (and south).
As for a landing zone, they’re making a perfect one for Iran and Yemen in the south of Lebanon.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 22:27 utc | 164

I refuse to believe that they are that stupid.
Posted by: joey_n | Jul 29 2024 20:40 utc | 150
Have you seen Ali Abunima’s response to his German arrest warrant?
EI are intensely aware of what Germany is.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 22:34 utc | 165

How many others? Anyone know?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 29 2024 8:12 utc | 100
Probably every single European country plus the five eyes and India.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 22:37 utc | 166

michaelj72 | Jul 29 2024 22:26 utc | 163
Starting to look like this will go the way of the Iran strike. The Israelis hit the Druze village to kick it off but the powers that be in the US have said nyet. It was obvious in the body language as Trump walked away from Nutty.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 22:51 utc | 167

An isreal has as much right to exist, as a Palestine. Just not in its current form, it just needs to play well w others is all.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 29 2024 13:55 utc | 123
Israel DOES NOT have a right to exist,
The state was illegally created against the international norms set at the time. The mandate was supposed to go to the indigenous people that were there.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 29 2024 23:09 utc | 168

Vacations are over for Crook and Napolitano, so Mondays are back showcasing Crooke’s SCF essay and his chat with the judge. And that means a new article is ready to be read, “Crooke: Deep State a “Structure””. Certainly, other questions could be made besides those I raised.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:12 utc | 169

“The self-described Zionist Joe Biden couldn’t be more supportive of Israel and its agendas unless he was actually physically in Gaza personally shooting medical workers with a sniper rifle.”
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/07/29/falsely-accusing-biden-and-harris-of-hating-israel-falsely-accusing-trump-of-loving-russia/
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but almost spit my drink out when I read it.

Posted by: eman | Jul 29 2024 23:14 utc | 170

Archetypex | Jul 29 2024 23:09 utc | 168–
Sorry, but the land was supposed to be shared from the outset. Nobody was to be deprived of rights or property. But the Zionists had a different plan/project which the vast majority of the world rejects.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:15 utc | 171

eman | Jul 29 2024 23:14 utc | 170–
Lead paragraph:
“One of the dumbest things about US politics today is the way both parties constantly attack each other for holding foreign policy positions they don’t actually hold in order to create the illusion that they have meaningful disagreements on foreign policy.”
The obvious stated quite well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:17 utc | 172

Israel DOES NOT have a right to exist,
The state was illegally created against the international norms set at the time. The mandate was supposed to go to the indigenous people that were there.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 29 2024 23:09 utc | 168
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Absolutely correct.
For further clarification please see the excellent
“Dr Ralph Wilde Webinar: How Britain broke international law to stop Palestinian independence”
https://balfourproject.org/wilde/

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:20 utc | 173

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:17 utc | 172
Agreed. God bless. Apologies for the other shit if you get my drift…

Posted by: eman | Jul 29 2024 23:23 utc | 174

Sorry, but the land was supposed to be shared from the outset. Nobody was to be deprived of rights or property. But the Zionists had a different plan/project which the vast majority of the world rejects.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:15 utc | 171
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With all due respect, I think you are wrong. “land to be shared” is very vague, as is “from the outset.”
Plenty of Jews already lived in Palestine. They were Palestinians. Also I think 20% of Palestinians were Christians. The Palestinians had their own national aspirations long before and certainly in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. PLease see the this informative documentary, “Palestine 1920”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCeQt8zg5o
The Mandate applied to the creation of a Palestinian state whose citizens would be those already there as of the date of the Mandate, April 25, 1920. Not a Jewish “homeland” violently metamorphosing to “Jewish state.” As in any state, later immigrants would have to go through a process to become citizens of Palestine.
The Mandate trumped the Balfour Declaration in international law. The latter was “appended” to the Mandate through backroom deals but had zero force in international law. It was “enforced” by force of the British in Mandatory Palestine. Pls see the Dr. Ralph Wilde webinar linked above. He is extremely clear in his explication of the issues in international law.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:33 utc | 175

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:15 utc | 171
The brits released all their former colonies to the people there.
Except for Palestine.
The zionists were able to force them into the mumbo jumbo deal we have today.
They went against their own long standing policy of how those colonies were released.
The question never should have made it to the league or the UN.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 29 2024 23:33 utc | 176

karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:12 utc | 169
I for whatever reason can no longer concentrate on ling articles. A few years back your substack would have been part of my daily reading. Often I have a few thoughts or opinions I would like to toss around with you but But have not been able to get past the substack sign in stuff to comment at your substack.
I recently wrote an email to my sister on the US or Anglo American five-eyes power structure. I dont know how it would correlate to Crooks view, but it has become very apparent in recent that politicians are merely a facade put up in front of the power structure. Deep state is the common term but after studing it, I find power structure is a better term.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 23:39 utc | 177

Apologies for the typos there Karl.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 23:41 utc | 178

Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:33 utc | 175–
I’ve linked to and posted the original mandate on several occasions and its very clear about the future disposition. Here’s the link to the Mandate again:
“Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and…
“ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.” [My Emphasis]
I don’t like the Zionists whatsoever, but the historical docs are what they are.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:47 utc | 179

Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 23:41 utc | 178–
Thanks for your reply, mate! Just keep on keeping on as best you can. I’m not here nearly as much now that I have a main distraction. Can you follow the half-hour podcasts Judge Napolitano airs? That form of media seems to be where most are now going–away from print.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:51 utc | 180

It was “enforced” by force of the British in Mandatory Palestine.
Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:33 utc | 175
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Furthermore, concerning the British “care” for the nascent national state in their “care,” many of the British troops sent to Palestine were Black and Tans fresh from the suppression and brutalization of the Irish in their homeland.
Richard Cahill, “The Image of “Black and Tans” in late Mandate Palestine”
https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/78336
“The “Black and Tans” were an auxiliary force that the British had hobbled together after World War I, in order to squelch the Irish Rebellion of 1919-1920. They became infamous for their use of excessive force, brash tactics (including torture) and communal punishment. In a recent article, I examined how over 650 former “Black and Tans” were signed on to serve in Palestine in the early 1920s. Based on research in the records of the British National Archive as well as newspapers and other sources from the 1920s and 1930s, I traced the activities and several personalities of the former “Black and Tans” who served together from 1922 to 1926 as the British Palestine Gendarmerie, and then as individual members of the Palestine Police. Many rose to the highest rank and some were at the center of controversies. In that same article, I analyzed public discourse, including the media, concerning these former “Black and Tans.” The astonishing finding was that up through the late 1930s, public discourse in the U.S. and Britain did not bat an eye at the conduct of these infamous men.”
These creeps disarmed the Palestinians while arming and otherwise supporting the Revisionist Zionists from Eastern Europe every step of the way. A pox on the British!

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:52 utc | 181

I don’t like the Zionists whatsoever, but the historical docs are what they are.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:47 utc | 179
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Historical docs are not always “what they are.”
I am sticking with the conclusions of Dr. Ralph Wilde.
He understands the circumstances of the Balfour Declaration being tacked on to the Mandate and explains this very clearly.
Watch his webinar, then come back. Cheers.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:55 utc | 182

Someone here recommended a really good book that documented the empire’s crimes.
I can’t remember who posted it (thank you!) but the book is:
Legacy of Violence by Caroline Elkins
It does not deal with Palestine exclusively but the section on Palestine is vast and chock full of well referenced examples, numbers, stats etc.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 30 2024 0:05 utc | 183

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:20 utc | 173
I have seen that before but had forgotten who it was.
Is probably worth another look.
I agree with Wilde.
Being a large portion Irish (matrilineal side emigrated from county Cork) black and tan raises all kinds of feelings.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 30 2024 0:17 utc | 184

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:52 utc | 181
Get Out Ye Black and Tans · Derek Warfield

Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 30 2024 0:49 utc | 185

Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 23:52 utc | 181
I should have added this to the song link.

Come out you black and tans,
Come out and fight me like a man,
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders;
Tell her how the IRA made you run like hell away,
From the green and lovely lanes of Killeshandra.
Come tell us how you slew
Them ol’ Arabs two by two,
Like the Zulus they had knives and bows and arrows;
Of how bravely you faced one with your sixteen-pounder gun,
And you frightened all the natives to the marrow.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 30 2024 0:54 utc | 186

Sorry, but the land was supposed to be shared from the outset. Nobody was to be deprived of rights or property.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:15 utc | 171
1. The British had as much right to ‘share’ Arab lands with European colonists as a street pimp has the right to ‘share’ one’s wife with his customers.
(Excuse the crude analogy)
2. This very act of ‘sharing’ necessarily required the deprivation of property.
The Balfour declaration states this in polite language, English is great for that, while clearly telling the reader the intention is to make a Jewish European homeland on top of Palestinians.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 30 2024 1:01 utc | 187

The brits released all their former colonies to the people there.
Except for Palestine.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 29 2024 23:33 utc | 176
The truth is very clear and straight forward. Palestine was not ever a Colony of the United Kingdom.
It was a Mandate (like a UN Protectorate administered by the UK) as then defined by the authority of the then League of nations.
Under Chapter XI of the Charter of the United Nations, the Non-Self-Governing Territories are defined as “territories whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government”.
https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/en/history/former-trust-and-nsgts
A Mandate was what it was. Then it became a dogs breakfast post-ww2. But Jane is right about the Palestine citizen status of all residents circa 1920 as per the Ottoman empire and the league of nations and international law all the way up to the illegal unjustified formation of Israel and up to today.
The League of nations Mandate became moot as did the UN partition plan. Everything is moot except the need for justice to be done and the crimes reversed.

Posted by: Fred | Jul 30 2024 1:06 utc | 188

I am with Jane on this.
The Balfour declaration says
“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object…”
Mandate says
“…the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people ”
The Declaration was “favour” , not “declare the creation of”.
The Mandate was therefore: to put into effect “to favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”.
It did not declare “a national home for the Jewish people”.
Wet paper, as they say.
However, even that is besides the point. The local population existed there for two thousand years roughly without anything “Israel” . Even before that through any judaic forms of rule probably.
The settlers, many, most, or all of unrelated historical origin have no modern claim there but via what was bought from locals without any coercion or unfairness whatsoever.
However, they arrived with their own book which said the territory was promised them, and without being able to demonstrate by who. They still say that. They are still trying to prove that by taking all they are able to by whatever means.
Quite literally, the ancestors of any reader will have resided in Palestine at some point, and well before judaism or israelites ever existed.
That does not give a priority of claim over the long existing residents, but it levels any priority “israelis” claim to zero in relation to anyone else in the world.
They pick that fight. The rest of the world, but for a few who choose to overly latch on to certain themes of their book, see them as wrong.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 30 2024 1:08 utc | 189

8. Palestinian Nationality and “Jewish” Nationality: From the Lausanne Treaty to Today
From the book Rethinking Statehood in Palestine
https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780520385634-012/html?lang=en
Palestinians’ Historic and Legal Rights to Palestinian Nationality
Snapshot
Palestinians as nationals and citizens of Palestine came under threat by the British Mandate government, and then by the State of Israel. Despite being legally protected, to this day, by the provisions of the 1924 Treaty of Lausanne, Palestinians have continuously been denied their rights to Palestinian nationality in order to afford nationality and citizenship to Jews.
https://www.jerusalemstory.com/en/article/palestinians-historic-and-legal-rights-palestinian-nationality
Nationality In Palestine Under The Ottoman Empire
https://brill.com/display/book/9789004180840/Bej.9789004169845.i-254_003.xml
Zionists and US/UK/Nato military power disagree

Posted by: Fred | Jul 30 2024 1:16 utc | 190

Legacy of Violence by Caroline Elkins
It does not deal with Palestine exclusively but the section on Palestine is vast and chock full of well referenced examples, numbers, stats etc.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 30 2024 0:05 utc | 183
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I believe Elkins is one (not the only one) who has connected the dots between the Black and Tans in Ireland and in Palestine.
I mean to buy and read her book.
Thanks for the reminder.
According to the Balfour Project, the best source (still) on the very complex story behind the implementation or imposition of the Balfour Declaration is “Palestine: The Reality,” by Joseph Mary Nagle Jeffries (1880-1960), first published in 1939 and then basically censored. Like Douglas Reed, Jeffries was an international correspondent for a major British newspaper and saw events unfolding on the ground in real time. It was reissued in a modern edition in 2017 by Olive Branch Press. I have it on my bookshelf but haven’t read it yet—it is 748 pp. without the index. So much for “the documents are the documents.”
Here is a review from Amazon:
“Who would think that a 748-page book on the diplomatic history of the Balfour Declaration and its aftermath could be a page-turner, but this book definitely is. It’s a truly remarkable achievement and a fascinating read in many ways… If one is looking for an “objective”, impartial treatment of the history, this isn’t it. Far from it. Jeffries makes clear from the outset that he has a polemical goal and that is to present what “the Arab case”. This he does with passion, skillful writing, meticulous attention to detail, amazing wit, and insightful analysis. It’s especially interesting to see the events leading up to and including the first two decades of the British Mandate through the eyes of a contemporary – someone without the knowledge of what was yet to come – WWII, the Holocaust, and then the Naqba and creation of Israel in 1948. Jeffries, a man of his times, is no foe of European colonialism in general, but still he finds the treatment of the indigenous people of Palestine by the British and the Zionists to be an affront to justice and the honor of Great Britain. His sense of righteous indignation screams out from almost every page, yet not in a way that either clouds his judgment (which appears razor sharp throughout) or obscures the narrative he has to tell.”

Posted by: Jane | Jul 30 2024 1:42 utc | 191

Badjoke@2025
Easy for you to be confused. “Yidistan” is not in my screed related to linguistic background, rather to ethnicity. The Yiddish speakers are primarily of Khazarian ancestry, with almost no DNA from the ancient Hebrews. Those Jews who emanated from the Pale of Settlement are mostly Khazarian and originally did speak that slightly altered German patois called Yiddish.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 30 2024 1:44 utc | 192

Irrelevant maybe but I say it all the same. In the 80’s my view was that if there was any possibility of keeping a homeland, it would have been by a major shift of conscience and by voluntarily returning say three quarters of the territory in return for keeping a northern enclave. Arabs would have understood the humility of such an act and out of grace allowed that, and agreeing on a lasting peace. That was what I felt was necessary.
Now, given the events since then and especially the last months, there is no way that would be possible. There is no way they will be able to keep the Muslim or Arab world at bay indefinitely either.
So they should just leave.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 30 2024 1:47 utc | 193

joey_n @2040
Personally check out Electronic Intifada at least a couple times a week. It’s quite possible that the mostly relatively youthful staff thee is so intensely focused on Gaza and Palestine that they may not have ever researched the reality of Germany’s condition as an occupied country.
Wanna know who’s really stoopid…almost terminally so, when it comes to history, geography and geopolitical affairs? Likely you do not need to delve too deeply into that well of ignorance…its the subjects (formerly citizens) of the U$$A.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 30 2024 1:50 utc | 194

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 29 2024 23:12 utc | 169
I am troubled by your analysis, karlof1. I will, as you advise, reread the Federalist Papers. One query I have concerns what has been the functioning understanding of these matters down through my own education as it proceeded after my midteenage years. I do not feel my teachers have been duplicitous as you seem to be suggesting for the writers of the Constitution. Admittedly their times were differently structured than ours, but it is a big ask to suppose they had in mind what the current ‘Deep State’ is intending, to maintain the oligarchy which currently exists.
I’m not an expert on these matters. I hope others will comment who are.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 30 2024 2:04 utc | 195

“The truth is very clear and straight forward. Palestine was not ever a Colony of the United Kingdom.”
The brits conquered it and were there before any mandate being issued.
If you conquer it and then use your troops to hold it so you can control the canal it’s your colony.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 30 2024 2:19 utc | 196

Get Out Ye Black and Tans · Derek Warfield
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 30 2024 0:49 utc | 185
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OMG!
I love the Wolfe Tones.
Didn’t know this one.
Here’s another—OT but this is a fantastic song, and commentary on the Brits.
“James Connolly”
This is a pretty good version of many on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYH5h-5Dz40
There is no doubt that Arab “rebels” in their own land–decent, brave men protecting their communities with inadequate weapons—were similarly executed by British colonial military thugs.
The Israelis are continuing the tradition.
“God’s curse on you, England, you cruel-hearted monster.”

Posted by: Jane | Jul 30 2024 2:19 utc | 197

The brits conquered it and were there before any mandate being issued.
If you conquer it and then use your troops to hold it so you can control the canal it’s your colony.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 30 2024 2:19 utc | 196
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The British were able to “conquer” it because they had made deals with the Arabs.
Make that “they made promises to the Arabs in return for the latter’s help in defeating the Ottomans/Turks.”
See “Lawrence of Arabia.”
They broke those promises and instead installed the Zionists.
A total eff-up ever since.
“Don’t make promises you can’t keep . . .”

Posted by: Jane | Jul 30 2024 2:26 utc | 198

Posted by: Jane | Jul 30 2024 2:19 utc | 197
The empires treatment of others is not surprising if one knows anything about their naval, privateer and piracy history.
The treatment of their own citizens was just as bad as what they dished out to others.

Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 30 2024 2:39 utc | 199

My apologies; I did not realize my post above was occurring on the Palestine thread, where it would seem to be off topic, even though the catalyst is Netanyahu’s speech in Congress. I will address further comments as I have them to the Open, not Palestine and not Ukraine thread, referencing in more detail karlof1’s post at #169 for context. I hope we can discuss our opinions there without monopolizing the thread, as it would not perhaps be of interest to everyone. My caveat on that is my feeling that the construction of the US Constitution does bear favorably upon the current world movement in the direction of multipolarity.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 30 2024 2:46 utc | 200