Palestine Open Thread 2024-179
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on July 28, 2024 at 16:37 UTC | Permalink
next page »Zionist false flag in the Golan Heights is undeniable. The civilian deaths were the result of an Israeli anti-missile interceptor falling on the soccer pitch massacring 12 children.
Posted by: AI | Jul 28 2024 17:09 utc | 2
Usual disclaimer about the SEP, but this one is worth a read:
"Last week, the southern port of Eilat halted its operations, declared bankruptcy, after losing $13.61 million, and is to lay off half of its 120 workers. The port has been largely inactive since the start of the war as ships diverted around Africa to avoid the Red Sea route through the Suez Canal to reach Europe, following attacks by Yemen’s Houthi forces in support of the Palestinians in Gaza on shipping in the Red Sea with connections to Israel."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/26/amqd-j26.html
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 28 2024 17:14 utc | 3
Clearly, the IDF knows Hezbollah is ready for a big fight.
Posted by: Liberator | Jul 28 2024 17:08 utc | 1
News says Hezbollah have changed their positions in South Lebanon.
That should invalidate most IDF "intelligence" on their locations.
Which leaves it uncertain whether the IOF will be able to attack.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 28 2024 17:19 utc | 4
Note that all the kids killed in the Golan heights were Syrian Druze with Syrian passports and spoke Arabic. Not "Israeli citizens". ie. How to be a "victim" without loosing authentic "citizens".
Secondly note that according to a witness there was the start of a warning siren before the explosion. Note that the kids were grouped just in front of a bomb shelter in one corner. They all ran there when they heard the siren.
IF it was an accident by a misfired rocket from either side, the accuracy was uncanny, between the grill and the bomb shelter, without destroying either. IF not, then someone was watching and used the grouping as a target.
Alternative;
My guess is that there could have been a high level drone with a smallish missile, rather than large interceptors or missiles. There is no "deep" hole.
So it looks like Israel has the full backing of the (US) and the (EU) to go to war with Lebanon – according to its Foreign minister Israel Katz after what I consider to be a false-flag attack on the Golan Heights on Saturday – for me, after reading a few articles I think Israel committed the crime and then blamed it on Hezbollah – as far as I know no group has claimed responsibility for the attack yet.
A full scale war with Lebanon would probably suit Netanyahu as it would further drag in Nato to defend Israel which all but a Nato member – a war with Lebanon would widen the conflict as possibly dilute the focus away from Gaza, and it would see Nato countries some of which are already doing Israel’s military bidding increase.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 28 2024 17:38 utc | 6
Apparently the head of Mossad Dedi Barnea has just returned from Rome where he was supposedly thrashing out a deal with Hamas on a ceasefire in Gaza, and the release of hostages – Barnea is said to return to Rome soon to continue the negotiation.
Is Israel flagging now? and does it need a pause in hostilities to recoup and plan its next attack?
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 28 2024 17:55 utc | 7
The posture of NATO towards Israel and Ukraine proves that NATO is a offensive organization, Noto defenseive organization. As such, it is an international criminal organization and Russia is entitled to resist it expansion on Russia's borders.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2024 17:56 utc | 8
It looks like Russia might take Nui York by summer’s end. Congratulations barflies.
“Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don't mind the maggots.”
Mick Jagger
Posted by: Napoleon | Jul 28 2024 17:58 utc | 9
Global South has started running a series of revelations about Hezbollah's internal development over the last 30-40 (!) years. I read the first one yesterday and it was fascinating - highly recommended. Not only is Hezbollah ready for war, but it has only yet shown a tiny, tiny sliver of its capabilities. Not only has it massive stockpiles, but it has several generations of development that it hasn't revealed yet. We're seeing some very old technology that is currently hurting the occupier.
It's billed as the story of "Hezbollah's Air Force" - and it begins to dawn on me that today's drones and missiles have changed the nature of air warfare so greatly that actors such as Hezbollah and Ansar Allah can legitimately be said to possess an air force. It's not just a cute way to frame things, they can actually shape and control the air of a theater. And in ways that can win wars.
So this is the story of Hezbollah's innovations in this field, made public for the first time. Hezbollah has by no means simply received technology from Iran, it has broken its own ground in warfare strategies and creations, including in AI. Amarynth is publishing daily through the week. Here's today's part 2 (with link to part 1):
30 Years… From Gliders to Drones, And From Syria to “Karish” to Al-Aqsa Flood
ps...if you're new to Global South, check out the Hearty Forum also for the Palestine thread ("Apocalypse") - it contains a pretty total curation of breaking theater news and analysis.
Posted by: Grieved | Jul 28 2024 17:58 utc | 10
Bears repeating: “Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.” —Isaiah 59:7
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2024 17:59 utc | 11
‘Dancing on Blood of Our Children’ – Bereaved Druze Village Rejects Israeli Ministers (VIDEOS)
Posted by: Exile | Jul 28 2024 18:00 utc | 12
Sorry about the spelling mistakes @ # 8: Fat fingers on phone.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 28 2024 18:02 utc | 13
Palestine Chronicle live feed:
Sunday, July 28, 6:30 pm (GMT+2)
DRUZE LEADER IN LEBANON, WALID JUMBLATT: The Israeli claim that the resistance fired the rocket at Majdal Shams is a lie. Israel attacks, kills and destroys every moment in Lebanon. It is time for Israel to understand that it cannot eliminate the spirit of resistance.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 28 2024 18:04 utc | 14
Seems the Israeli interceptor disintegrated, perhaps the rocket exploded, and the warhead part fell on the field, judging by one of the videos released.
The western MSM videos do not show anything relevant, probably because they would imply a failed Iron Dome interceptor.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 28 2024 18:04 utc | 15
It cost the Soviets some 20-25 million lives to defeat Adolf's folly. And NATO has forced them to repeat the war.
But Adolf is kosher today.
Napoleon tries to convince us that the Russian ruling class is blind and stupid, and we already know that. London and Washington see the Russians as Palestinians.
Posted by: Simon | Jul 28 2024 18:11 utc | 16
The outrageous ridicule of the Olympic Games in Paris would make an Afghan goat vomit.
You are completely unpresentable, without any intellectual or moral value.
Posted by: Simon | Jul 28 2024 18:18 utc | 17
Grieved | Jul 28 2024 17:58 utc | 1
Thank you for the link
so very happy to see you at the bar
Posted by: ld | Jul 28 2024 18:25 utc | 18
From Palestine Chronicle today:
Dyab Abou Jahjah
@Aboujahjah
Some important remarks to keep in mind regarding the Majdal Shams tragedy :
1. This did not happen in Israel! The Golan Heights, occupied by Israel since 1967, are internationally recognized as part of Syria.
2. The Druze community in the Golan Heights largely rejects Israeli nationality and considers themselves Syrians.
3. Majdal Shams has a history of resistance and uprisings against Israeli occupation.
4. The Lebanese resistance would never target Majdal Shams and its people.
Possible explanations for the missile that fell include:
1. A Hezbollah rocket that missed its intended military target or was partially intercepted, resulting in it landing in the area. Hezbollah has denied this possibility.
2. An Israeli Iron Dome interception missile that misfired, which has happened before.
3. Involvement of a third party, possibly one of the many Syrian and other factions operating nearby.
4. An Israeli false flag operation using one of its allied Syrian factions.
If Israel were to go to war with Hezbollah over this incident, it could suggest that Israel had been seeking a pretext for war all along, as it is unlikely they would go to war to avenge Syrian Druze citizens, especially those from Majdal Shams.
Posted by: JB | Jul 28 2024 18:38 utc | 19
George Galloway's monologue tonight is quite good
https://moats.tv/watch/
He deals with the Olympic nonsense and more importantly, on this thread, he addresses the Israel Lebanon war apparently coming in the next few hours.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 28 2024 18:40 utc | 20
Israel is not planning a full-scale war with Lebanon after the shelling of the Golan HeightsAt least, this is what the Israeli portal Ynet writes about, citing a number of high-ranking officials. At the same time, the intensity of hostilities may increase for several days, they said.
Lord Of War
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 28 2024 18:55 utc | 21
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-812168
What the heck? This is jaw dropping, if true.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 28 2024 19:20 utc | 22
From previous Palestine thread:
...
The Islamic Resistance fighters in the Air Defense Units launched anti-aircraft missiles at enemy warplanes within Lebanese airspace in the southern region, forcing them to retreat and withdraw behind the Lebanese borders with the occupied Palestine.
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1816562418824147029
Posted by: Menz | Jul 26 2024 10:22 utc | 233
Hezbollah has had 18 years, since IOF's humiliating expulsion from Lebanon, to acquire/develop an anti-aircraft capability. Without its Air Farce Jewrael is a warfare nothing-burger of undisciplined, Wimpy Weekend Warriors.
It won't be Hezbollah alone which responds to an IOF attack on Lebanon. The Jews and their Western Jew$lave$ believe too much of their own cockamaimie bullshit.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 28 2024 19:22 utc | 23
More chatter…
ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT
28 JUL, 14:29
“Erdogan warns that Turkey may enter Israel”
https://tass.com/world/1822461
ISTANBUL, July 28. /TASS/. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned that Turkey may enter Israel like it entered Nagorno-Karabakh and Libya.
"Like we entered Karabakh and Libya, we will do the same to them [Israel]. Nothing is impossible. We need to be strong to take such steps," he told the Halk TV channel.
According to the television channel, this way the Turkish leader reiterated his readiness to support Palestine by any means.“
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 24
Following the Hezbollah rocket strike that killed several children in Majdal Shams on Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided on Sunday to postpone the departure of 150 sick Gazan children to receive treatment in the United Arab Emirates, KAN reported Sunday.
The children were supposed to depart this coming Monday via the Ramon airbase, but following the attack on Majdal Shams, Netanyahu ordered the departure postponed, KAN noted.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-812226
Posted by: teri | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 25
Posted by: teri | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 25
The Lancet magazine estimated based on historical indirect deaths in somewhat similar genocides that, if the official death toll in Gaza is 40k, the actual death toll may be 180k. This was in early July, now it may be very close to 200k.
Precisely because Israel targeted hospitals and water infrastructure and now we hear about some sort of diseases spreading through water. So denying care to 150 children is icing on the cake.
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 28 2024 19:44 utc | 26
Posting here since the other thread is superseded by this one: the Bar has AGAIN shown itself as being a most excellent source of information. If the host is busy recovering, the barflies tear apart anything nonsensical that arrives. :) Big hugs to everyone!
The critical piece of information that put things in perspective for me is that Falaq 1 is unguided (by Ornot). That completely changes the calculus. Additional helpful bit is the video of previous misses by Iron Dome interceptors, that make a pretty big explosion (by Ornot, again). In addition, the explosive payloads of Iron Dome interceptors and Falaq 1 are comparable (around 50 kg). Then there's the point Druze kicked out Jewish ministers that came to supposedly mourn the victims on the funeral. Finally, the comment by JB, I think, wraps it up.
At this time I don't yet have absolutely certain proof it wasn't Hezbollah, but the preponderance of evidence is that it wasn't Hezbollah. That's super difficult to get from MSM.
Posted by: rert | Jul 28 2024 19:46 utc | 27
RE: Is Israel flagging now? and does it need a pause in hostilities to recoup and plan its next attack?
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 28 2024 17:55 utc | 7
Nah, just some western cooked up scheme to force Israeli “peace” ideas onto the global & region. No peace will happen. Hamad/PIJ are purposely accelerating. Think they are more imaginative “after Gaza” talks, which in reality will be “after Israel” conversation.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 28 2024 19:46 utc | 28
Off Topic.
Some idle speculation.
China has been developing its Quantum Computing capabilities and is experimenting with a Quantum Communication satellite.
In theory, a Quantum Computer should make deciphering coded messages a doddle. What if the Chinese have cracked the coded info from the West's Spy Satellites and can now 'borrow' it whenever they feel like doing so?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 28 2024 19:49 utc | 29
Syria attributes deadly Golan strike to Israel, denounces attempts to expand war:
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/26150
Posted by: Vortex | Jul 28 2024 20:11 utc | 30
Confused info going on, from occupation likely to show a limited action because more extreme members of cabinet abstained, or for example
"Lebanese Foreign Minister Bou Habib said this evening: We received reassuring messages from the countries concerned that the Israeli response will be limited, as will Hezbollah’s response to it."
through to calling up medics to north, flight cancellations to Lebanon, list of nations calling for citizens to evacuate Lebanon or
"Hebrew Channel 14: “Israel” informed France that it is preparing for a strong and broad response against Hezbollah and the Iranian Quds Force in Syria and Lebanon."
All at the same time. Some speak of a delayed
action, others not. As decision has been left to pm and defence min it looks like it will be surprise. I don't think it is possible to do more than so far (somewhat limited bombings) without escalation. I expect Hezbollah will also be calculating if escalation now will favour the occupation's hand or their own. It is almost like each asking the other "How would you like to start this ?".
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 20:39 utc | 31
rert | Jul 28 2024 19:46 utc | 27
The timing of the attack, right arfter nuttyyahoo's trip gives me some pause. In addition, it was on the Druze community and not the fake jews which is totally inline with their kabbalistic views. Everyone else is souless chattel so not matter if they live or die.
Posted by: circumspect | Jul 28 2024 20:47 utc | 32
Israel's use of the Majdal Shams incident can further be seen as a (failed, as evidenced by Druze reactions) attempt to spread suspicion and mistrust among the mosaic of minorities of southern Syria and Lebanon against Hezbollah.
Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 28 2024 20:56 utc | 33
‘Dancing on Blood of Our Children’ – Bereaved Druze Village Rejects Israeli Ministers
Posted by: Exile | Jul 28 2024 18:00 utc | 12
The riders of the holocaust.... riding it like surfers riding a wave. Surfing on the long dead bodies of their own and creating a new sea of bodies to surf on.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 21:07 utc | 34
Israel ROCKET “FALSE FLAG” at Majdal Shams FROM THE MOST MORAL NATION. All ATROCITY NETWORKS SUPPORTING.
Posted by: Dennis Szilak | Jul 28 2024 21:16 utc | 35
Stonebird | Jul 28 2024 17:35 utc | 5
I studied the best pic I could find. No ground impact so likely proximity fused. The sort of thing used for anti personnel warheads.
The largish flame burst, the black scorch marks on the ground - perhaps something like a hellfire.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 21:20 utc | 36
Re my 36 and "The largish flame burst".
One video just captures it. The camera wasn't zoomed in for that range and it was hard to judge the flame burst by surrounding building but it was certainly large enough that I was very surprised to see not the slightest sign of a blast crater, only scorch marks.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 21:26 utc | 37
Red Leb
If the US-zionazi filth start a war in Lebanon it will be a sign of desperation not strength. No doubt the nazi comb-over discussed this during his trip to the imperial capital.
Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 28 2024 21:34 utc | 38
Israeli army attacking Hezbollah sites in southern Lebanon, says Israeli Broadcasting Authority
https://x.com/Brigade1936/status/1817675487923314973
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jul 28 2024 21:39 utc | 39
The riders of the [nazi genocides].... riding it like surfers riding a wave. Surfing on the long dead bodies of [Jews] and creating a new sea of bodies to surf on.
I think you put that rather well.
Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 28 2024 21:39 utc | 40
And Lebanese media reports Israeli airstrikes near the southern Lebanon towns of Houla and Markaba.
https://x.com/AgenciaAJN/status/1817675385359781943
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jul 28 2024 21:40 utc | 41
@37 Peter
Was looking for photos of the crater I saw, but
just published explains better. If not falaq-1 , I would not suggest it was a failed intercept until sure it was not purposeful targeting though.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 21:46 utc | 42
https://archive.org/details/WeWereCaughtUnprepared
by Matt Matthews
The punters here might like to look at this. Once you've ploughed through the zionist verbiage it looks like a rather acute description of events. I doubt that the US-zionazis will do any better but perhaps they won't have to, the US might take the plunge.
Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 28 2024 22:00 utc | 43
Ornot | Jul 28 2024 21:46 utc | 42
Yeah, that pic is of a rectangular sand pit and is certainly at the blast site but still a rectangular sandpit and not a blast crater as such, though there does appear to be a very small crater in the sand.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 28 2024 22:04 utc | 44
just in via Al Jazeera:
1m ago (22:00 GMT)
Several strikes reported in southern Lebanon
Lebanese media has reported several strikes on towns in southern Lebanon, amid rising tensions with Israel after a strike on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights yesterday killed 12 people.
Lebanese media reported raids on Houla, Markaba, Aita al-Shaab, Khiam, Shaheen, Yaroun, Mays al-Jabal, Kfarkela and Bourj al-Shamali.
Posted by: Memory Man | Jul 28 2024 22:04 utc | 45
The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon categorically denies the false claims made by some enemy media outlets and various platforms regarding an attack on Majdal Shams.
It affirms that the Islamic Resistance has no connection to the incident whatsoever and unequivocally denies all false allegations in this regard.
Yet, the US has today accused them of being responsible (Blinken and the . The Lebanese FM said the US has asked Lebanon be restrained.
This obvious False Flag is a US/Israel action, everything points to that.
They either planned it together, or the US endorsed it.
It seems to have multiple goals, one of which is to draw attention away from Ukraine, from the political mess in the US and from the shameful images and sounds of the US Congress hailing genocide and its perpetrators. In typical; US/Israel style - use more lies, destruction and killing to move the focus from the current lies, genocide and disgrace.
We shall soon see what all the other goals of these criminal actions are.
Posted by: JB | Jul 28 2024 22:07 utc | 46
Iran condemns Paris Olympic opening ceremony attack on Jesus
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1817603831611511122
Posted by: Willow | Jul 28 2024 22:09 utc | 47
@ Peter there is a video of what a falaq-1 crater looks like, on that page. Tamir has a lot of fuel, falaq-1 is 1.7 second burn. Blast video shows fuel burn according to Mayadeen .
@41 All I am picking up is gps/coms awry in Lebanon. Sonic booms off Lebanon:
"Israel flooded the social networking sites with analyzes and threats and set margins and ceilings for thinking, so everyone began to analyze and evaluate according to those margins and ceilings...
The bottom line is that if the war erupts, the entity is not about emptying Lebanon of its people and pioneers...
Rather, it is about emptying the occupied territories of the Zionists,
striking water stations and telecommunications company towers. The bridges, ports, and electricity companies
will cause the settlers to migrate from the entity in the first month. They have no ideology, no patience, and no cause, and they are not accustomed to strikes of this kind and the loss of the most important components of the life on which they live.” "
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 22:13 utc | 48
George Galloway's monologue tonight is quite good
https://moats.tv/watch/
He deals with the Olympic nonsense and more importantly, on this thread, he addresses the Israel Lebanon war apparently coming in the next few hours.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jul 28 2024 18:40 utc | 20
Anybody able to watch this? Here's what I get when I click on the link:
Video unavailable
This video contains content from International Olympic Committee, who has blocked it on copyright grounds
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 28 2024 22:27 utc | 49
@49 Plays for me in europe . VPN it from another location maybe ?
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 22:31 utc | 50
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 22:31 utc | 50
Thanks, that worked. So IOC copyright only applies in some places, or is that a BS excuse to prevent people from watching?
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 28 2024 22:38 utc | 51
@51
https://olympics.com/ioc/olympic-properties
That's all I know.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 23:02 utc | 52
So it looks like Israel has the full backing of the (US) and the (EU) to go to war with Lebanon – according to its Foreign minister Israel Katz
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 28 2024 17:38 utc | 6
I'm still not sure they require the approval of US imperialism. Seems like the Zionazis themselves are calling the tune.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 28 2024 23:22 utc | 53
Nazis are given a standing ovation in Canada, provided weapons by USA but still hated in Israel and Russia. Strange. If not for Israel western thinking on Nazis would have totally changed baddies to saints.
Posted by: Jason | Jul 28 2024 23:24 utc | 54
The Gold market has commenced trading and at this point it is not reflecting any major price movement.
Posted by: Matador | Jul 28 2024 23:26 utc | 55
I will just link in a list of telegram preview channels again, because they are an accurate source of live news, and they correct the few mistakes they make in good time. It will save me posting from them continuously if conflict breaks out, but I will still post meaningful entries as well as important events reported by them when noticed, when I am online.
Currently it is "News of warplanes flying over Beirut" and "Most flights to Rafic Hariri International Airport - Beirut have been cancelled" :
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 28 2024 23:37 utc | 56
Posted by: Willow | Jul 28 2024 22:09 utc | 47
Thanks for this. One of the most positive things I have seen today. God bless.
Posted by: eman | Jul 28 2024 23:51 utc | 57
I find it interesting that the "leaders" of the three monotheistic religions are gathered in Rome to plan the way forward.....for the next 2K years.../s
Are these folks led by the God Of Mammon or are they part of the cult?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 0:25 utc | 58
....Netanyahu decided on Sunday to postpone the departure of 150 sick Gazan children to receive treatment in the United Arab Emirates, KAN reported Sunday.The children were supposed to depart this coming Monday via the Ramon airbase, but following the attack on Majdal Shams, Netanyahu ordered the departure postponed, KAN noted.
Re: teri | Jul 28 2024 19:37 utc | 25
any excuse for a tyrant and genocidal maniac will do.
He loves tormenting and killing Palestinians, including children.
There was no hezbollah rocket strike on Majdal Shams.
that's all western propaganda
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/majdal-shams-residents-mourn-martyrs--reject-any-israeli-pre
Majdal Shams residents mourn martyrs, reject any Israeli presence
"....The Israeli Channel 13 reported that residents of Majdal Shams attacked members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party who attended the funeral.
Meanwhile, the Israeli news website Walla mentioned that Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich was met with rejection and protests upon his arrival in the town....."
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 29 2024 0:26 utc | 59
This rings true!
..."Israel created Hamas in order to split the Palestinians and that strategy misfired in all kinds of ways and now it turns out that it's not a strategy at all because they've merged so that's a complete Fiasco from the Israeli point of view.... Russia and China are are are trying to rise to the occasion because there's a gigantic vacuum it's not like the United States is a side of the story it's like... there's nobody in charge in the United States and nobody knows who's going to be in charge and how how it's going to develop how it's going to turn out and so Russia and China are trying to play the adults in the room and try to get people to talk now... Iran is the one entity that could produce some kind of peace in the region and the entire diplomatic mission as far as I can see...is convincing the Iranians that they shouldn't destroy Israel... As...the the most powerful militarily, the most powerful nation in the region they should try to achieve some sort of peace with with Israel which is uh which is difficult if not impossible ... What Netanyahu is trying to do is to stay out of jail & extend his career
-Dmitry Orlov
Israel's Bold Gamble: America's Middle East Dilemma, Ukraine's Fall & EU Desperate! (7/28/2024)
Dialogue works: https://youtu.be/I-nqw0xo9Aw?si=a-Og7ejDSHZr8R3c
Posted by: Toby C | Jul 29 2024 0:35 utc | 60
I encourage barflies to compare the Reuters posting title/sub title related to the questionable killings in Majdal Shams with quotes from recent The Cradle postings
Israel cabinet authorizes government to respond to Hezbollah rocket strike
Hezbollah denied responsibility for the attack on Majdal Shams, the deadliest in Israel or Israeli-annexed territory since Hamas' Oct. 7 assault sparked the war in Gaza.
From The Cradle
Israeli jets launched airstrikes on a girls' school in central Gaza's Deir al-Balah being used as a field hospital on 27 July, killing at least 30 Palestinians and injuring dozens more.Israeli forces massacred at least 17 Palestinians in Gaza on 28 July, including four children, one of them a baby who was decapitated by Israeli bombs, amid a broader assault on the southern city of Khan Yunis.
Twelve Palestinians were killed in a strike on a home in the center of Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip, and five others were killed in a bombing of a tent west of the southern city.
An Israeli drone strike killed one Palestinian in Deir al-Balah. Sniper fire from an Israeli quadcopter drone killed another in Gaza City in the north, the channel added.
I can only hope that the Occupied Palestine resistance overwhelms the Israel/empire military quickly.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 1:05 utc | 62
RE: “Are these folks led by the God Of Mammon or are they part of the cult?”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 0:25 utc | 58
Far as I can tell, there’s no difference.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 1:10 utc | 63
Note : Dimitri Orlov is a secular Jew
Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 0:55 utc | 61
I could not care less about his religion... I stand with everyone who wants to see truth, justice & peace via diplomacy - regardless of their beliefs.
Posted by: Toby C | Jul 29 2024 1:14 utc | 64
add these to the stupendously long list of israeli (and USA) war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza....
https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1816919930278912291
Assal Rad @AssalRad
PhD Modern Middle East History • Author of State of Resistance: Politics, Culture & Identity in Modern Iran
Oxfam: “We have been blocked, consistently, in trying to access food, latrines, wash materials. We put out a report last week that found the Israeli military has destroyed key Oxfam infrastructure that is essential for water and sanitation services in Gaza”
And, see videos:
https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1817015532916273435
This is a terrorist attack that is almost incomprehensible in the depth of its depravity, and should be in history books for centuries
https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1817015532916273435
Blowing up a water station that serves a million-plus people
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1816965332952555683
Rafah | Rafah’s water reservoir blown up
Israeli soldier from the combat engineering corps sharing footage on his personal account blowing Rafah’s water reservoir in Tel Sultan neighborhood “in honor of Shabbat” as he describes it.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 29 2024 1:35 utc | 65
You know, the not letting sick kids get medical treatment, all the smack talk about bombing Lebanon (I know they claim “Hezbollah”, but there plan is to drag out the old plan of bombing Beirut to smithereens hoping to ignite the Lebanese people against Hezbollah and scare the Lebanese people).
It’s the bottom of the barrel of desperation & fear. Nothing is working out in any way as they had hoped. Instead of Hezbollah backing off, they doubled down and went harder today. Hamas/PIJ got more aggressive today.
Israel U.S. out of its trickster cards. They have zero support. I heard US was trying to tell Lebanon, to convince Hezbollah to “allow” Israel their “counter attack” and “let it go”.
I can hear the laughter from Hassan Nasrallah clear to my living room. Time’s up. Israel better fold and walk away.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 1:36 utc | 66
Now the Zionazi butt plug of the Middle East (that masquerades as a country) is threatening to assassinate Erdoğan.
https://tass.com/world/1822489
Posted by: Matthew | Jul 29 2024 1:56 utc | 67
Lebanon (I know they claim “Hezbollah”, but there plan is to drag out the old plan of bombing Beirut to smithereens hoping to ignite the Lebanese people against Hezbollah and scare the Lebanese people).
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 1:36 utc | 66
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I doubt they care about the Lebanese, any Lebanese, at all. In fact, eradicating them would make taking their land too. You think “Israel” will quit if they eradicate the Palestinians? It claims everything from the Nike to Mesopotamia.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 1:59 utc | 68
Note : Dimitri Orlov is a secular Jew
Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 0:55 utc | 61
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Thanks for that info.
I often wondered.
Posted by: Jane | Jul 29 2024 2:02 utc | 69
RE: Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 1:59 utc | 68
I agree they don’t care. However, the divide and rule game always worked in the past, so play it again. Of course they want to take all the land, but bombing it is one thing, occupying is another, they haven’t figured out it’s not 2006 anymore, and the majority of Lebanese now understand that it is only Hezbollah that is defending their nation.
As for “Israel quitting” they are one campaign away from being destroyed completely. Look around, even if US “assists”, even if all of NATO “assists”… Israel is destroyed in the crossfire. All the supporters of Hezbollah, even Hezbollah could be bombed to smithereens… but the one nations that will be utterly and forever destroyed in this crossfire, is Israel.
I’m happy they are playing the deluded arrogant game to the end of their days. Bout time it’s concluded.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 2:10 utc | 70
I know most of you read and keep up with the Palestinian Chronicle and daily reports. I found this particularly useful for today.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/red-arrow-is-back-resistance-roundup-day-296/
‘Red Arrow’ is Back – Resistance Roundup – Day 296
Excerpt: In the southern Gaza Strip, Al-Qassam also announced that it had targeted an Israeli military force with an anti-personnel thunderstorm, resulting in the death and injury of many soldiers. The attack took place in the Hay al-Salam area, east of Rafah.
I know we hear all about Israel bombing civilians & the killing and bombs by the almighty Israel, however, there is serious ground fighting going on, and the ground resistance forces are on a rampage and have increased their manpower & lethality. Israel is taking a lot of damage and deaths themselves.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 2:23 utc | 71
I’m happy they are playing the deluded arrogant game to the end of their days. Bout time it’s concluded.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 2:10 utc | 70
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I agree, and the sooner the better. Millions of innocents may die in the liberation of Palestine, but how many more millions will die if that liberation is put off for … how many more decades?
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 29 2024 2:33 utc | 72
meanwhile back at the ranch in the occupied Golan Heights, etc
https://x.com/GMajadli/status/1817497682002260444
Ghada Majadli غادة مجادلة @GMajadli
Palestinian| Researcher| health & human rights| decolonization| policy analyst
1/ Israel is exploiting the tragic death of Syrian children to justify a war in Lebanon. Don't be deceived by their propaganda. 1) Syrians in occupied Golan Heights are not Israelis.
2/ Following the occupation in 1967, they maintained their allegiance to Syria and opted against acquiring Israeli citizenship. 2) Israel has never shown concern for Arab children, regardless of whether they are in Syria, Lebanon, or Palestine.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 29 2024 2:43 utc | 73
I just had a vision that brightened my entire day:
Ships filled with israeli refugees landing upon the shores of Europe.
Tent camps of Zionist refugees piling up on the shores of Greece, France, Cyprus, Britain.
Zionist refugees raging through the streets of European Capitals taking the pick of European properties while the police standard idly by unable to defend actual citizens for fear of being labelled 'anti-semitic'.
Riots breaking out between North African refugees and Zionist chosenites in the slums of Calais as they pick over the scraps thrown to them by the European elites.
Moshe, Avi and Shlomo getting the old Hagannah gang together in the City of London as it's been revealed in a vision that Britain is actually the original location of Solomon's Temple ...
Keep my popcorn warm ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 2:51 utc | 74
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BA37CszUVKA
Rachel Blevins & Laith Marouf interview.
Time stamp 19:54
Laith stated that yesterday, Yemen stated they were no longer going to be just a “support” nation against Israel, but that they are going to be in a “full war” against Israel. And to expect their answer.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 2:59 utc | 75
RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 2:51 utc | 74
The “vision” made its way to my daydream as I read it.
Brightened my night. Thx .
“Moshe, Avi and Shlomo getting the old Hagannah gang together in the City of London as it's been revealed in a vision that Britain is actually the original location of Solomon's Temple ...”…
No topping that Crown ending…can’t “daydream” a more perfect end.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 3:09 utc | 76
Just another IDF false flag......there is no crater which would signify the impact of an SSM. Mostly likely an IDF faulty AA missile which fell on the innocent kids playing soccer ?
Why no warning sirens at the village by the way?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 29 2024 3:11 utc | 77
Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 2:23 utc | 71
They will be well stocked - but what is it - eight months now? They have a serious ratline going there to get stuff in.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 3:11 utc | 78
"LOOKS LIKE ISRAEL IS MANUFACTURING A REASON TO GO TO WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH AND IRAN"
"The “rocket” that hit the soccer field in the Druze village of Majdal Shams in the Golan Heights is being used by the Zionists as a pretext to launch a long-promised ground attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon. So far, we have seen no evidence to support the claim that the missile it was fired by Hezbollah. Some argue it was an Israeli Iron Dome missile gone stray. But why worry about facts when you are eager to go to war?"
Source: Larry Johnson:
https://sonar21.com/looks-like-israel-is-creating-a-reason-to-go-to-war-with-hezbollah-and-iran
Posted by: WMG | Jul 29 2024 3:22 utc | 79
RE: “They have a serious ratline going there to get stuff in.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 3:11 utc | 78
They learned tunneling well from North Koreans & China.
Guessing goes Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran. May seem outlandish, but a lot of these countries already had tunnel systems from times past… not saying “continuous”, but enough.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 3:34 utc | 80
Iran. May seem outlandish, but a lot of these countries already had tunnel systems from times past… not saying “continuous”, but enough.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 29 2024 3:34 utc | 80
Iran could teach the Viet Minh a thing or two about tunnels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1fs9YdpiH4
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 4:03 utc | 81
psychohistorian@105
So here's the Izzy airfarce bombing and killing Palestinians here, there and everywhere in Gaza...and then they get all butt-hurt about a missile that may or may not have come from Hezbollah which killed maybe a triple handful of Izzies.
Double standards, anyone ? It all goes back to the Babylonian Talmud which insists that the fingernail of one "Chosen" is worth the lives of numerous non-"Chosens". They actually believe this shit about being special and the dear little pets of their Tribal WarGod, Yahweh, the Bloodthirsty.
This insanity is playing out before the eyes of the entire world...with the exceptions of various terminally deluded types in the collective Wa$te, particularly here in the ruptured republic who have been constantly victimized by Talmudist control over the mass media and the edjumacasional system.
Thus the world watches and so far there are no major eruptions. Meanwhile the levels of detestation of this ethnic egotism on steroids accelerates on a daily basis.
Meanwhile the pressure-cooker is whistling with escaping steam as that cooking vehicle rattles and bounces across the burner. Level of intensity is not abating. Even wily Erdogan, closely attuned to the public mood in Turkey, is producing a shot across the bow...strongly hinting Turkish involvement if the Izzys assault Lebanon.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 4:17 utc | 82
I am pissed at the reporting by Xinhuanet about the bombing at Majdal Shams, the Druze town in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
Their reporting did not include any denial by Hizbollah and was totally portraying the bombing as a conscious terrorist attack all the time not putting it in perspective with the number of Palestinians dying within the same 24 hours by Occupied Palestine.
Hey Xinhuanet! Clean up your act!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 5:25 utc | 83
psychohistorian | Jul 29 2024 5:25 utc | 83
Don't take it at face value. China works at its own pace in its own way. That joint statement with Russia at the beginning of 2022 was solid.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 5:45 utc | 84
and then they get all butt-hurt about a missile that may or may not have come from Hezbollah which killed maybe a triple handful of Izzies.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 29 2024 4:17 utc | 82
Syrian Druze
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 5:47 utc | 85
https://rumble.com/v58ue1m-did-israel-or-hezbollah-fire-at-majdal-shams.html
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 5:49 utc | 86
Trubind1
My guess would be via Egypt. There are two factions within Egypt. Not sure which but I assume the non government faction are part of that ratline.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 5:54 utc | 87
OMG!!! Check out Trump's reaction to Bibi!!!!!
https://x.com/benjaminbott/status/1817159489407123823?s=46&t=I0qdLZwo5P1VQzHK_8F1GQ
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 5:55 utc | 88
Red Arrow’ is Back – Resistance Roundup – Day 296
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/red-arrow-is-back-resistance-roundup-day-296/
Comment: Southern Front : dramatic increase in activity from all the various Brigades. It almost seems the Likud is simply flooding Gaza with ill trained fighters in a Hail Mary attempt at a glorious, final victory. Suspect plenty of fisting pounding on conference tables happening.
Northern Front: 2 strikes. 2 videos of combat footage.
Merkava tally remains unchanged at 207. ( 3 Merkavas were claimed destroyed on Saturday, but not added to tally, just because I thought 3 in one day seemed outlandish, don’t know)
Posted by: Exile | Jul 29 2024 6:11 utc | 89
Suresh | Jul 29 2024 5:55 utc | 88
Thanks. That is interesting. Looks like nutty put the hard word on hin and he told nutty to shove it.
I guess the possible big war in the middle east of over. Trump has been full zio so nutty must have been too much even for Trump to stomach.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 6:12 utc | 90
Exile | Jul 29 2024 6:11 utc | 89
Feeding in the cannon fodder no different and just as desperate as the - "Ze is jew so no nazi" - Jew led nazis of Ukraine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 6:18 utc | 91
OMG!!! Check out Trump's reaction to Bibi!!!!!
https://x.com/benjaminbott/status/1817159489407123823?s=46&t=I0qdLZwo5P1VQzHK_8F1GQ
Posted by: Suresh | Jul 29 2024 5:55 utc | 88
Hehe, nice, Trump's body language shows all and he looked genuinely pissed at Netanyahu, but I'm honestly not that surprised of Trump being like that given all of the devastation in Gaza. It's too hard to hide to the point that Trump can see right through it. I do think Trump wants genuine peace in Israel and Palestine, but he doesn't like Hamas and that impairs his policy. At the same time, China seems to have found the work-around inviting all of the Palestinian tribes to 1 single theoretical government, to my understanding, to get around this Hamas roadblock.
Personally, I think what Trump wants is a 2-state solution with Israel by itself, while Palestine is governed by a semi-secular non-Hamas authority (maybe like what China is working on). I don't think Trump is necessarily a "Zionist" for wanting an Israeli state to at least exist.
I keep trying to tell people that Trump isn't this crazed Zionistic genocidal maniac compared to the Democrats, but people don't believe me.
After all, Trump is good friends with Erdogan even prior to 2016 IICR (when Trump did business in Turkey), who Israel is openly threatening to assassinate. Erdogan to my eyes is the most pro-Palestinian president in the Western world, which in my definition I consider Turkey to be a part of.
I'm starting to fall asleep & I'm not a Middle Eastern expert, and just someone who is "a bit new" to all of this.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 29 2024 6:19 utc | 92
Al Balog | Jul 29 2024 6:19 utc | 92
After what has occurred, only a dyed in the wool zionist could want this apartheid 'settler' state to exist. I am very much with Iran on this one now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 29 2024 6:32 utc | 93
Posted by: unimperator | Jul 28 2024 18:04 utc | 15
A few days before this attack I’m sure I saw news like “Druze leadership declares support for Hezbollah cause”, seemed significant at the time but I can’t find that story now under the avalanche of Empire spin.
This being a Druze town, they should have all wreckage and fragments in their possession, photographs of the pieces laid out might narrow things down considerably.
If I remember correctly, the Iron Dome missiles are designed to produce fragments that are light and / or small so it’s relatively safe to detonate them in the air over civilian areas, the wreckage should be distinctive.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2024 6:44 utc | 94
@Al Balog
"Hehe, nice, Trump's body language shows all and he looked genuinely pissed at Netanyahu, but I'm honestly not that surprised of Trump being like that given all of the devastation in Gaza."
I think this is old footage, when Trump was President.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jul 29 2024 7:23 utc | 95
/perches
Well this seems like more failed intelligence scheming on the zionists part. Thought killing off a few Syrian Druze children in occupied (and annexed as per Israel & USA only) Golan Heights would be a win-win-win-win pretext for their precious deceptions. This likely accident of failing Iron Dome missiles kills non-zionist non-jew children, the act looks horrific, and Iron Dome looks weakened. What to do? Deceptive Narrative, web of lies.
The lies makes Iron Dome look still capable, the dead Druze who refuse Israeli citizenship looks like Casus Belli for Israel to hit Hezbollah by claiming falsely they are "Israeli children", instead of hiting Hezbollah it is a chance to hit Lebanon deeper in an effort to divide the Lebanese, it is another salami slice to negotiate free hits at an enemy you want to exterminate anyway, if it escalates it forces USA's hand and locks down its next administration's diplomatic maneuvering, any MICIMATT money slushfunds can be kicked back to buying out the next round of global leaders.
But the Deceptive Narrative is not paying off like it used to. Too many eyes watching. Too many electronics speeding up the doubt, speeding up the truth. It's all becoming unmanageable; it's all falling down. And none too soon as the world tires of holding its baited breath suspended 'seconds before midnight'.
Seems like some spoiled child is begging for the world to call its last bluffs... ;)
/preens
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 29 2024 7:28 utc | 96
If I remember correctly, the Iron Dome missiles are designed to produce fragments that are light and / or small so it’s relatively safe to detonate them in the air over civilian areas, the wreckage should be distinctive.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2024 6:44 utc | 94
How was such light, small fragmentation able to cause such focused casualties?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 7:47 utc | 97
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 7:47 utc | 97
If it exploded on impact it’d be deadly, the warhead and penetrator fragments are designed to disable or destroy incoming missile targets but the overall design is intended to minimise the effect of fragments falling to the ground after being detonated at altitude so small metal components and composite structural elements where possible.
An Iron Dome interceptor could be programmed (or modified) to strike a ground target. It would probably narrow down the options if we got a look at the weckage.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 29 2024 8:10 utc | 98
Take a trip with Times of Israel througth the City of London
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jewish-history-trail-in-the-city-of-london/
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Jul 29 2024 8:11 utc | 99
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 29 2024 2:51 utc | 74
How many countries do Israelis have "visa-free" access to?
I remember hearing Trump Admin gave Israeli citizens access to the US.
I also remember hearing Germany giving Israeli citizens automatic residency should they apply for it.
How many others? Anyone know?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jul 29 2024 8:12 utc | 100
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After months of threats to attack Lebanon, Israel has done little.
Clearly, the IDF knows Hezbollah is ready for a big fight.
Posted by: Liberator | Jul 28 2024 17:08 utc | 1