Palestine Open Thread 2024-176
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on July 24, 2024 at 14:17 UTC | Permalink
next page »Why has the Palestine thread been quiet for about the past month or so? Seems like the Ukraine thread gets disproportionally more comments. Did people stop caring about Palestine?
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2
Foreign opinions mean nothing to Israel.
And for many Israelis, non Jews are less.
Bibi will manipulate the US, because the US are suckers, I think the hebrew term is ‘frier’, who exist to be tricked and exploited by the clever Israelis.
Posted by: Polli | Jul 24 2024 15:19 utc | 3
Why has the Palestine thread been quiet for about the past month or so? Seems like the Ukraine thread gets disproportionally more comments. Did people stop caring about Palestine?
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2
I'm afraid it's a bit what I started with Situation Normal, All Fuccked UP
After the ICJ there was little solid to show for it, yes British police have arrested nine people during a protest against arms exports to Israel that briefly blocked the street outside the Foreign Ministry, highlighting pressure on the new Labour government over its stance on the Gaza war.
But still no stop to arms exports.
Netanyahu goes to whashington but we don't even know if biden is alive.
OK, new drone activity in israel
Hezbollah has shown nine minutes of aerial footage of Israel’s Ramat David Airbase, 20km (12 miles) southeast of Haifa.
“The footage, captured by one of the group’s drones on July 23, shows the base housing fighter jets, combat helicopters, transport and rescue helicopters, naval reconnaissance helicopters, and offensive electronic warfare systems,” Al Jazeera’s Ali Hashem wrote.
But nothing major.
Between the bullet for trump dealing a deadly blow to biden and some advances in ukraine... yes, palestine is not forgotten but hard to talk about
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 24 2024 15:21 utc | 4
Live from ARREST Netanyahu protests in Washington, DC - started @ 11:05 a.m. (+/-) EST
Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Jul 24 2024 15:33 utc | 5
This gives me hope no matter how bleak the situation appears and has to be the best explanation of what motivates the "resistance" regardless of how barbaric the entity occupying Palestine is toward the native imhabitants.
They'll never love us enough to stop killing us
Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Jul 24 2024 15:44 utc | 6
I stopped watching the channels about the slaughter in Gaza, because it drives me crazy. I Just can hope and pray that this will come to a good end for the Palestinians and that they will get justice
Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Jul 24 2024 15:57 utc | 7
@2
Self preservation.
Watching people being killed day after day, month after month, is not a good idea. Especially when anyone feels there is little they are able to do to intervene.
Youssef Fares explained it for himself with regard to losses, as life being reduced to "Either you are or you are not" . People in the west "are", and at a completely different scale have their own "are" to take care of.
You cannot blame them, but the lines between rejection, tolerance and acceptance become very fine.
It is certain that there will be efforts to convince the public that their rejection was ultimately acceptance.
For example, that they did not object enough would mean that they actually accepted.
Also their have been twists and turns to events that distract - hope of a ceasefire, regional intervention, or just plain confusion/reatribution of responsibilities.
Pragmatically, few are going to place their lives in danger as part of a territorial dispute of different peoples tens of thousands of miles away. Unless paid to.
Domestically, they have little say.
So it comes down to : Shaking their heads, expressing their disacord or outrage, and then continuing with their own lives.
Personally I could weep at what I witness, but even for that I would feel as if I was indulging, instead of helping somehow.
It is ok to carry the sadness of it all though, what would we be if we did not feel that ?
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 24 2024 16:08 utc | 8
Why has the Palestine thread been quiet for about the past month or so?
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2
Because in the past 1 month the horrors seen in Gaza have gone beyond most people's threshold to keep commenting.
The silence says more than all the chattering ever could.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 16:13 utc | 9
ouch. wrong click.
I just wanted to write "felt there was not fun to see".
Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 24 2024 16:22 utc | 11
Without the Muslim conceptions of martyrdom, the situation within Gaza would be totally beyond bleak. The starvation and dehydration strategies by the Exceptionalist "Chosens" have trespassed beyond terror into out and out horror. Yet, the resistance forces, highlighted by Hamas, continue to take a heavy toll on the "suburbanite" occupiers. At the same time, Hezbollah maintains pinprick attacks in the north in order to soak up much of the Zionists' military energies. Meanwhile, the Ansar Allah folks in Yemen have economically destroyed the port city of Eilat and even degrading maritime traffic in the Mediterranean. On occasion, Iraqi militias add their "greeting cards" to the equation.
Martyrdom of eventually a possible majority of the Gaza Palestinians is fast becoming a major threat to the Gulf Dictator elements in the oil-patch. Their populations are becoming increasingly enraged at those accommodationists. The vise tightens...while tens of thousands forfeit their lives so that Palestine will be freed from the evil ones.
Historically, within the Ummah, the Palestinian struggle is becoming a classic and soon will shade over their long memories of the bloodthirsty and land-hungry Crusaders. Ultimately, this struggle will make its mark on world historical understanding. The era of colonialist imperialism is fast drawing to its logical conclusion. "What rough beast slouches toward Bethlem to be born". The poet was prescient.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jul 24 2024 16:23 utc | 12
@ Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2
i haven't been posting on the israel-palestine, or the ukraine threads.. it doesn't mean i am less interested, but not sure what can get said here to change things..
Posted by: james | Jul 24 2024 16:23 utc | 13
Any barflies know which brave US reps have boycotted the war criminal's commandments to his slaves in congress?
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 16:36 utc | 14
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/24/netanyahu-commands-us-obeys/
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 16:40 utc | 15
New Khan Younis massacre underway while Bibi is in DC asking for more ammo to "finish the job"......apparently the genocide of two million innocent Palestinian civilians is now a reason to ask for additional US ammo.....so many civilians to murder so little time as Bibi would say.....note to the ICJ
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 24 2024 16:49 utc | 16
@2
An additional explanation.
https://t.me/youseffares19/42981
Click link there, then translate. Apology long post but include Auto translate of that :
"Gaza | American doctor Mark Perlmutter is not the only foreigner to enter the Gaza Strip during the war, as he was preceded by dozens of Arab medical delegations that worked diligently in a number of hospitals in the north and south of the Strip, and closely observed the crimes committed by the occupation army and the weapons it used against children and women. And civilians. However, the indisputable reality is that the testimonies of American and Western doctors in general have greater impact and credibility in the media. Perhaps Perlmutter's Jewish religion contributed to the popularity of his testimonies, which he left Gaza carrying, despite the fact that incidents such as the sniping of children and their killing by American shells and bombs were broadcast in audio and video dozens of times on television. Perlmutter expresses his shock, because he had never seen dismembered children in his life. And wounded, as he saw in the Gaza Strip, which has been subjected to an Israeli war for 291 days. He confirmed, in statements to the American CBS network, that the Israeli army deliberately targeted children, saying: “We have documents proving cases of systematic targeting of children and committing war crimes against them.” In the same context, the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Observatory states, in reports published last March, that it documented the execution of 13 children by the occupation army by shooting them directly in the Al-Shifa Medical Complex. According to the Observatory, its field team received statements and testimonies that it described as identical regarding executions and murders against Palestinian children between the ages of 4 and 16 years, some of them while the occupation besieged them and their families inside their homes, in addition to others while they were trying to flee along paths that the Israeli army had previously determined for them.
It is worth noting, in this regard, that the percentage of children among the total victims of the war that has been going on for about ten months has reached one-third, as their number reached 14,405 children out of 40,156 martyrs. In statements proving the credibility of these statistics, the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child confirmed that the war in Gaza claimed the lives of children with unprecedented brutality, while the Commissioner-General of UNRWA announced that the number of children killed as a result of the war in Gaza exceeded the number of those killed during The last four years all over the world.
But why so much impact on Perlmutter's testimonies?
The statements of the American Jewish doctor had a remarkable impact, exceeding the echoes of thousands of photos and recorded clips documenting those massacres. Because of this impact that the statements and images have on the Western eye and hand, the enemy army has imposed a media siege on Gaza since the beginning of the war, preventing, since October 7, the entry of any foreign journalists and activists in the field of human rights to cover the war, and even instructed international missions and institutions that were Operating in the sector, they were required to leave immediately, to which all these institutions responded, and evacuated their employees, some of whom could have been the authoritative voice of the West on the ground.
In the end, the enemy army was able to carry out all its crimes in the dark, while none of the forms of genocide, which in any case contributed to forming a public opinion supportive of the Palestinians, were able to influence the course, extent, and violence of this war.
Youssef Fares"
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 24 2024 16:56 utc | 17
The IDF has deliberately targeted residential homes, refugee centers, UN schools, Catholic parish community centers (Holy Name and St Porphyrius), hospitals, mosques, and high rise apartment houses packed with families and children.......
The criminal IDF targeting is responsible for massive death toll of children, now estimated at over 20,000, with total causalities among civilians including missing, maimed or killed now amounting to over 200,000, or 10% of Palestinian population in Gaza....an enormous figure........
Massive war crimes evidence here.........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Jul 24 2024 17:07 utc | 18
I am taking the liberty of posting a comment from b's recent thread on China's involvement in Palestinian issues. From this thread and b's excellent post you can see that Palestine hasn't been ignored by this forum. A very insincere post and arguments on this subject are thereby to be themselves ignored.
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I think that the west and "Israel" are able to continue current direction in one form or another for a long time. It is possible that they look to resolve the matter on the battle field in the middle east.
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 24 2024 15:19 utc | 181
If they choose this path the facade' of 'Israel' as a safe home for the Jews is utterly destroyed.
'Israel' finally is revealed for what it is: A full scale Western occupation of Arab lands.
All industry, social and cultural fabric that comprises a nation / state is stripped bare and all that remains is a massive European base in the Middle East under constant fire for the next few years to decades.
This base will no longer be funded even in part by it's own resources but will require a constant stream of supplies from the treasuries of the Empire.
The notion of an "israeli civilian" is finally put to bed, with the entire Jewish population being nothing more than footsoldiers bred on-location to man the American garrison on the Levant.
In any case, the matter is already "being resolved on the battlefield" in the middle east. The regional conflagration people keep telling us might break out has already broken out and there is no going back now ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 16:23 utc | 184
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Posted by: juliania | Jul 24 2024 17:13 utc | 19
Jewish Voices for Peace
“… Jews organizing toward Palestinian liberation and Judaism beyond Zionism…”
Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 17:23 utc | 20
The list of lawmakers boycotting the speech is growing rapidly, with one Republican saying they will not attend.
"The purpose of having Netanyahu address Congress is to bolster his political standing in Israel," Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), a libertarian, said in a post on X.
"I don't feel like being a prop so I won't be attending," he said.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 17:31 utc | 21
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2
Palestine is not getting as much attention as Ukraine here on MOA because Palestine is widely covered in major newsites and chatsites these days but hardly a whisper is heard about Ukraine. MOA is the only place I find on my reading list that discusses Ukraine at all.
Posted by: HelenB | Jul 24 2024 17:33 utc | 22
Macron has no shame he knows fine well that Israel is committing genocide yet he welcomes the Israeli president to Paris, not only that the Israeli Olympic team which shouldn't be allowed to compete has been given extra special security from the French police.
BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS.
"Israeli President Isaac Herzog was barred from disembarking the plane in Paris for “40 minutes” due to a security scare.
Herzog and his delegation were ordered by French police to remain onboard the plane upon arrival in Paris due to a security incident on Wednesday as his spokesperson told the Hebrew-language Israel Hayom daily newspaper.
Later on, the Times of Israel, an online Israeli newspaper, quoted Herzog’s spokesperson as saying that the president and his companions were finally allowed to disembark the plane 40 minutes after landing.
“The president and his delegation have now disembarked and resumed the schedule as planned,” the spokesperson said without giving details of the incident."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2024 17:36 utc | 23
@21
Considering Bibi, his administration, and his US backers have been bragging about'finishing the job' of genocide... with a ruling by the ICJ that that's what's happening... with a pending arrest warrant for Bibi and his pals...
These symbolic protests - refusing to attend a speech while sending boatloads of weapons to do the deed - are themselves a joke. This is to include any wishful thinking about Kamala Harris being any different from Biden. They were picked by the same political sponsors after all.
Posted by: pxx | Jul 24 2024 17:37 utc | 24
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only way the Zionists genocide will be stopped is by force, if not this will continue.
Khan Younis.
"According to the report Israel’s quadcopter drones keep attacking medical teams as they try to recover the injured.
The regime’s military forces, it said, continue to destroy residential buildings and civil infrastructure in the al-Qarara area, a small village east of Khan Younis.
Israeli forces began bombarding the southern city on July 22, forcing about 150,000 people to flee — many for the fourth or fifth time or more.
As of Tuesday, at least 89 Palestinians were killed by the regime’s forces in the city, according to the Gaza Government Media Office."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2024 17:42 utc | 25
BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS***BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS***BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS***BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS.
"Israeli team is set to participate in the Paris Olympics starting Friday after the French government as well as the International Olympic Committee turned down calls to ban it over the genocidal war on Gaza.
According to reports, the flag-bearer of the Israeli contingent at the Paris Olympics will be Peter Paltchik, a Ukrainian-born Israeli judoka who competes in the under-100 kg weight category.
Social media users have pointed out that Paltchik, a former European champion, was one of those who signed bomb shells aimed at Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip.
In a post on X, formerly Twitter, after the Israeli regime launched its genocidal war against Palestinians in the besieged territory in October 2023, Paltchik shared a photo of munitions signed by him.
“From me to you with pleasure,” he wrote in the tweet, which stirred up the hornet’s nest.
Leyla Hamed, a sports journalist based in the UK, said the presence of Israeli athletes such as Paltchik “is going to make this Olympics (in Paris) to be remembered as the Genocide Games.”"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2024 17:46 utc | 26
Posted by: crimson | Jul 24 2024 17:56 utc | 27
The only history that will repeat is 2006....when pussy zionists had to fight a REAL enemy (as opposed to defenseless women and children) and they got their asses kicked.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 18:14 utc | 27
Re: Genocide Games
Richard Medhurst deep video dive on the Israeli members of their Olympic Team; they are ALL members of a joint-criminal-enterprise
Israeli Athletes Are IDF Soldiers, Ban Them From the Olympics and Fifa
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lczucAMrYhI
Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 18:34 utc | 28
Thanks for the responses everyone.
I'm trying to listen to the ongoing Netanyahu speech live right now, and the Congress just keeps cheering on Netanyahu like crazy when he says even more harsh/outlandish things than Trump. Really crazy seeing the wokes in Congress cheer an actual far-right hardliner who talks much worse than anything Trump has said.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 18:53 utc | 29
“We’ve got to get to peace. You can’t have this going on, and I will say Israel has to be very careful because you are losing a lot of the world. You are losing a lot of support.” - Trump
“That’s a terrible portrait. It’s a very bad picture for the world. I think Israel wanted to show that it’s tough, but sometimes you shouldn’t be doing that.” - Trump
There was also some Muslim UFC fighter who was telling Trump to "end the killing in Gaza", and Trump said to him confidently "Trust me, we'll get it done".
He doesn't like Hamas, but Trump's actually much less of an Israeli hawk than the Democrats.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 18:56 utc | 30
He doesn't like Hamas, but Trump's actually much less of an Israeli hawk than the Democrats.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 18:56 utc | 31
Seems naively far-fetched...he's the one that moved the embassy to Jerusalem, said that Golan belongs to zionists and the douchebag fucking his daughter is a rabid zionist that used to sit on nuttyahoo's knee.....
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 19:07 utc | 31
Wednesday, July 24, 2:00 pm (GMT+2)
AL-QASSAM BRIGADES: We destroyed an Israeli troop carrier with a “Shawaz” explosive device, which caused it to catch fire in the middle of the town of Bani Suhaila, east of Khan Yunis.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 19:08 utc | 32
and Trump said to him confidently "Trust me, we'll get it done".
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 18:56 utc | 31
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Always selling.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 24 2024 19:09 utc | 33
Trump stuff aside, listening to Netanyahu's speech, he sounds like a very deranged unipolarist on par with Zelensky. Just like Zelensky, but he sounds meaner and Netanyahu somehow manages to be more dislikeable on a human level (and I myself strongly dislike Zelensky).
I have no idea why Netanyahu is banking so, so hard on the declining US woke empire when he's a far-rightist & the wokes on the street don't like Israel to begin with. Conflict of interest. It shows to me that Netanyahu isn't pragmatic or a multipolar thinker at all, which is what Israel should've done to survive as a viable nation-state. A simple 2-state solution way back in the day, but the Zionists like he and Benzion (his father) got greedy.
This is the big kicker to me. America uses Lil Nas X and 1984 as a manual, yet Netanyahu thinks America is still this great moral-standing country in the style of "The Waltons" and "Little House on the Prairie".
Netanyahu (and by extent Israel) is putting its eggs in this one big woke mess of a basket. Looks really pathetic & bone-headed when I'm not even a Middle Eastern expert.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 19:26 utc | 34
I'm a center-right type of guy, and I got interested on the Palestine topic hearing how passionate Judge Napolitano (similar demographic to myself) gets on the topic, who I've listened to for a long time.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 19:36 utc | 35
@Al
Not sure what 'woke' has to do with anything, exact opposite as a matter of fact. Most in the US are soundly asleep with anti-social media, brain eating TV and oligarchy controlled government, more like zombies than humans.
About the only smart thing nutty does is make sure he has the backing of the dying empire that's just as willing as he is to take the rest of the planet down with them.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 19:50 utc | 36
A bit of news here:
The Chinese have persuaded 14 Palestinian resistance organisations (including the PLO and Hamas) to present a united front to the UN.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jul 24 2024 19:54 utc | 37
6 October was such a nice day in gaza.
Posted by: crimson | Jul 24 2024 17:56 utc | 27
A prison paradise.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 19:58 utc | 38
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 19:26 utc | 35
True, all eggs in the US basket, but like, what's his alternative?
Posted by: JAB | Jul 24 2024 20:00 utc | 39
True, all eggs in the US basket, but like, what's his alternative?
Posted by: JAB | Jul 24 2024 20:00 utc | 40
Israel could've gone for BRICS today had Netanyahu implemented a proper 2-state solution & make peace with Iran back in the late 1990s. The way his government's been acting, he has no chance of joining BRICS.
However, I remember Scott Ritter once talking about how Netanyahu was secretly involved in the November 1995 assassination of Yitzhak Rabin to get into power in 1996, turning the country into the far-right, yet I can't recall the specifics. Scott recalled a social shift around 1998 (perhaps seeing "the writing on the wall") where things got too far-right to Scott's liking, then he left the country.
It's been almost 30 years of failure since. Pragmaticism & multipolarity doesn't seem to be in the Israeli government's vocabulary.
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 20:18 utc | 40
The silence says more than all the chattering ever could.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jul 24 2024 16:13 utc | 9
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Arch, your point is well taken, and also, the reality that our Western governments are complicit in the genocide and the illegal occupation of Palestine, has numbed many in quietness. People are dazed and confused, much like many good Germans must have been during the rise of Hitler and Nazism.
But it must be remembered that evil cannot be defeated with silence, evil must be exposed. In the US we did not end the war in Vietnam by being silent, and all Civil Rights movements always required that people NOT be silent.
Sometimes silence is NOT golden, it is complicity. Notice that the neo-Nazi Zionist are NOT silent.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 24 2024 20:27 utc | 41
Reuters headline is currently: Netanyahu Speech draws thousands of protestors to US Capitol.
The immediate subtext under the headline is not surprising.
Protestors are against the guy, Netanyahu, who wants to free the hostages.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the U.S. Congress on Wednesday he was confident that efforts to secure the release of hostages held in Gaza would succeed while pro-Palestinian demonstrators took to nearby streets.
The linked article mentions genocide how many times?
The linked article mentions Netanyahu being wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity how many times?
You already know the answer.
Posted by: librul | Jul 24 2024 20:33 utc | 43
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/leaked-un-report-israeli-war-has
Leaked UN report: Israeli war has killed 366 UN staff and family members as Netanyahu prepares to address Congress
The confidential report is the first to detail the toll faced by the families of UN workers in Gaza
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 20:48 utc | 44
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 19:26 utc | 35
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You must be under the allusion that there are no "woke" Jews in Israel are anywhere in the world. Some are even in the Republican Party. Nuttyahoo doesn't give a big F**K who you screw or how you dress, he just wants you to support his Genocide in Gaza.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 24 2024 20:50 utc | 45
You must be under the allusion that there are no "woke" Jews in Israel are anywhere in the world. Some are even in the Republican Party. Nuttyahoo doesn't give a big F**K who you screw or how you dress, he just wants you to support his Genocide in Gaza.
Posted by: Ed | Jul 24 2024 20:50 utc | 46
What you said makes sense, as I mentioned I'm a novice when it comes to Middle Eastern peoples, but I'm trying to learn.
The way I recall Scott Ritter describing it, I assumed most of Israelis (maybe 3/4ths) were right-wing conservatives in 1998 who became fascistic & even more hardcore Zionist in the following decades, but then again Scott's likely misguided not having been there in such a long time.
My guess is maybe Israel today is polarized between woke types & conservative types. Or my most likely observation, it's a "conservative" government that keeps bending the knee to gender & race issues (much like Boris Johnson's UK government).
Israeli psyop to make them look super-accepting of brown people to dismantle the "white colonizer narrative":
Israeli government with transgender medical stuff, wouldn't surprise me if this is a problem in kid's schools either. No opposition from the Likud (Netanyahu) party:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-810531
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 21:17 utc | 46
The MSM reported that Schumer and Pelosi left before the end of Netanyahu's speech. And the only Democrats to shake his hand were Fetterman and Manchin.
also, the report is Rashida Tlaib wore a keffiyeh and held up a placard marked "war criminal" during the speech. AOC, the semi-official "star" of Congressional "woke" reportedly boycotted the entire speech. It seems to me the MSM is setting up the Democrats to be tagged as the woke party for not vociferously supporting the Zionists, hence implicitly unGodly. On the other hand, if any anti-imperialist Trumpers/conservatives in Congress are expressing their mild disapproval (forget condemnation) of the genocidal assault on Gaza and the West Bank (plus assaults and covert actions against Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Yemen,) they are not being publicized. Lest they tarnish they good name of Trump by association?
It is of course difficult to understand what "woke" even could mean, other than the person misusing feels condescended to, but this problem is even more difficult when somehow applied to orthodox politicians. Nonetheless, some commenters somehow manage to dutifully find "woke" applause. This seems to me both dutifully following the MSM script and irrationally self-contradictory.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 24 2024 21:19 utc | 47
US Congress reacting to the murder of more than 39,000 Palestinians in Gaza, including at least 16,000 childrenhttps://t.me/presstv/104178
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 24 2024 21:26 utc | 48
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 24 2024 21:19 utc | 48
Thomas Massie (R) Kentucky did not attend, and has always been against foreign aid to Israel.
Rand Paul, in about 2012, turned from non interventionist to anti-Iran, pro-Israel, and probably the only other R I could think of who would not attend, but did.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 21:33 utc | 49
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1816115699598713330
Black in the Empire @blackintheempir
Anti Establishment Vet w/ commentary from experience inside the war machine and...
The world
"We are outraged by the atrocities being committed by Israel, and demand that it stop"
The US Govt
" Israel here's some more bombs, Die Brown babies Die"
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 21:39 utc | 50
There are a few problems. Reporting from Gaza is heavily stifled by Israeli censorship. Most Western journalists, including the liberal ones most here favor, are despicable cowards. Most leftist organizations know their funding will dry up rapidly if they criticize the genocide. And many non-Muslims simply do not care about Muslims or respect our struggles.
But Hamas is not dead, and Israel's problems aren't going away. If anything, they will get much worse.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jul 24 2024 21:49 utc | 51
Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 21:17 utc | 47
Or my most likely observation, it's a "conservative" government that keeps bending the knee to gender & race issues (much like Boris Johnson's UK government).
A simple search will reveal zionists are indeed racist, largely due to most of them are not true jews but Khazars and Askanazis. Ethiopians (Eritrea and Somalia to a lesser extent) jews are descended from one of the original tribes of ancient Palestine yet they are treated like Haitians are in the US. Deportations, denial of immigration, secondary status and scorn from the majority are the norm.
Amazingly, another of the ancient tribes settled in Persia (Iran) where they are treated with respect and have been for thousands of years.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/3/29/black-lives-do-not-matter-in-israel/
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 21:50 utc | 52
Norwegian | Jul 24 2024 21:26 utc | 49
*** US Congress reacting to the murder of more than 39,000 Palestinians in Gaza, including at least 16,000 children ***
Wish the mass-media,politicians and many others would quit citing a death / casualty figure that -- though presumably quite accurate when originally stated -- is months of heavy bombing, shelling, sniping, disease and starvation out of date and now ridiculously low compared to the present reality.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 22:19 utc | 53
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1816199702934872142
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Israeli PM @Netanyahu wants "the new Palestinian generation to learn to live in peace with Israelis" while killing their parents, relatives, starving +two million in Gaza, destroying all their possessions and treating them like animals. I can't imagine how many more October 7s Israel can expect.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1816186684314398938
#Israel PM @Netanyahu said "Jerusalem won't be divided again", revealing his real intention to annex all of Jerusalem. He thanked Donald Trump for giving him the Syrian Golan Heights, which don't belong to Trump or Israel.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 22:20 utc | 54
michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 21:39 utc | 51
*** The US Govt
" Israel here's some more bombs, Die Brown babies Die" ***
That's unfair - they are very happy to help murder other colours as well.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 22:25 utc | 55
18,000,000 died in the concentration camps, only 6,000,000 were jews. How were the other holocaust victims compensated for their suffering. in the holocaust two thirds of the victims were non-jews. The jews have taken over the us government. Fuck all jews
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 22:26 utc | 56
Hezbollah ain't hamas and is about 10,000 times better equipped and trained, as well as having invaluable experience fighting isis and al qaeda et. al. in Syria alongside the Syrian government army and Iranian forces.
this is why Bibi has hesitated so far from attacking them in great force/invading Lebanon
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/hezbollah-reads-us--like-an-open-book---israeli-media-on-hoo
Hezbollah reads us 'like an open book': Israeli media on Hoopoe video
"....Hezbollah released on Wednesday aerial footage of an Israeli military airbase captured by its drones north of occupied Palestine on Tuesday.
The special episode showed the Ramat David Airbase, the only Israeli military airbase in northern occupied Palestine, which is 46 kilometers from the Lebanese border.
....The Israeli Army radio emphasized that Hezbollah's latest video includes detailed documentation of the squadrons at the Ramot David Airbase and the location of each, as well as that of hangars, runways, three Iron Dome batteries, and ammunition warehouses...."
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 22:29 utc | 58
After last Friday’s ICJ Advisory Opinion and the prior ICJ (plausible) genocide judgements earlier this year…..
How easy would it be to practice lawfare against some of Individual Congresmen who were clapping loudly this evening ? ( file in Spain, Norway, Japan, or Belgian )
Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 22:30 utc | 59
I mean, it's not like the Germans are known for accuracy, methodology, and record keeping or anything.
Posted by: motorslug | Jul 24 2024 22:32 utc | 60
motorslug | Jul 24 2024 22:28 utc | 58
*** Where does that '6 million' number come from?***
It is a numerical claim first documented even before Word War One.
... and after WW1 ... and after World War Two as well ...
Most peculiar -- but there it is, in old mainstream newspaper reports etc.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 22:35 utc | 61
motorslug | Jul 24 2024 22:28 utc | 58
*** Where does that '6 million' number come from?***
Alright asshole you fuck with me. I will fucken destroy you pos.
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 22:40 utc | 62
the number has been around for the last seventy years. asshole
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 22:41 utc | 63
Cynic | Jul 24 2024 22:35 utc | 62
Stay out of it or I'll fuck you.
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 22:43 utc | 64
....That's unfair - they are very happy to help murder other colours as well.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 22:25 utc | 56
life is unfair, Cynic! lmao
they are always very happy to do that, of course - korean and vietnam wars, etc etc were all 'yellow babies' that is in Asia....
but since 9-11 the US-centralized Empire's main efforts have been in making war against the arab/moslem world, that is, 'brown babies' - from Afghanistan to Libya, Iraq and Syria, and now of course extended to Palestine, Lebanon and Yemen.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 24 2024 22:45 utc | 65
....That's unfair - they are very happy to help murder other colours as well.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 22:25 utc | 56
NATO bombs the little children! All the little children in the world! Red or yellow black or white, they are targets in their sights. NATO bombs the little children of the world!
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 24 2024 23:06 utc | 66
joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 22:43 utc | 65
*** Stay out of it or I'll fuck you. ***
Really?
Piss off you gutless gobshite turd.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 23:07 utc | 67
Really?
Piss off you gutless gobshite turd.
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2024 23:07 utc | 68
OK, lets see who finds who first, you zionist pos. Jews have bought the US govt!!!! I'm gonna make sure they don't rule ever!!!
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 23:25 utc | 68
Stay out of it or I'll fuck you.
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 22:43 utc | 65
Is this your official declaration coming out of the closet?
LOL
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 24 2024 23:46 utc | 69
Is this your official declaration coming out of the closet?
LOL
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 24 2024 23:46 utc | 70
I meant in a more zionist manner in dealing with zionists!! Touche!
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 23:52 utc | 70
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 24 2024 23:52 utc | 71
They are perverts, I’ll give you that.
I’m solidly anti-Zionist but you’re turn of phrase put me in a position where I couldn’t resist!
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 24 2024 23:57 utc | 71
Joe, moto, cynic - "friendly fire" ?
Joe:
There are reliable studies backed by open source evidence that show earlier usage of the figure, as well as clear unbacked introduction of it into the western press, from where it took off by simple repetition.
Personally, I don't know the true figure, it might even be that figure (but is often understood as much less than that). It is fair to call it out as invented until it is known not to be though.
Joe's pov stands in terms of jews being a minority of casualties as well as being provided coverage that eclipses the rest
Cynic and moto were emphasising that, not trying to reduce it.
???
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 25 2024 0:01 utc | 72
Apologies to all. I just saw a genocidal murderer address the congress of the usa with loud ovations from our traitorous representatives. I am very annoyed!! Fuck the zionists!!!
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 25 2024 0:04 utc | 73
Please, bar flies, note that virtually the entire Republican congressional delegation stood and applauded like seals for Netanyahoo. All but Thomas Massie, who represents the undead remnants of the right-isolationist movement.
There is a weird tendency among some anti-imperialists to see the GOP, or at least its MAGA wing, as lesser evils to the Democrats. Certainly, the Democrats are no anti-imperialists, but it is a weird inversion of left-liberal "vote blue no matter who" type of thinking. Note I say "inversion." It is definitely not a subversion or overcoming of it.
There are socialist parties in the US that do electoral work antagonistic to the Democrats. I think that's valid and I support them wholeheartedly. But the trend of "MAGA anti-imperialism" is a dead end, first of all because Trump's MAGA movement is simply not anti-imperialist, and would happily plunge the world into imperialist war to advance the interests of US capital.
So please, amerikan bar flies, when you cast your ballots in our rigged elections in November, cast them for socialist parties like SPUSA or PSL, or even the Green party if no one else is available. Anything less self-destructive than voting for the most naked imperialists this shithole of a country has to offer.
Posted by: fnord | Jul 25 2024 0:07 utc | 75
Did Netenyahu say anything interesting? I couldn't bear to watch.
Anything to read between the lies?
Posted by: JAB | Jul 25 2024 0:07 utc | 76
Seriously, you people don't know how use the internet or you're idiots!! The holocaust numbers for jews is 6000000 in most counts. Are you bots!! I'm really done I won't be back here.
Posted by: joe_mars | Jul 25 2024 0:09 utc | 77
The number of six million is a mystical number in Judaism and the Kabbalah.
It appears in newspapers before World War One, accusing the Russian pogroms of killing six million.
If i remember right its also the number that have to die to establish the third temple.
The number is utter hogwash and has no relation to reality, it’s just propaganda.
You’ll notice the number doesn’t change.
Auschwitz had a plaque for years saying four million. Then it was revised and now says 1.4 or something like that.
So that means the six million number should have gone down, but nope, it’s a constant.
The number is utter bollocks.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 25 2024 0:19 utc | 78
How easy would it be to practice lawfare against some of Individual Congresmen who were clapping loudly this evening ? ( file in Spain, Norway, Japan, or Belgian )
Posted by: Exile | Jul 24 2024 22:30 utc | 60
Unlikely, clapping is like the clap, a personal issue.
Now governments and other international institutions would be hard pressed to deny being in violation for measures AFTER the ICJ opinion.
Executive orders, nominal votes in congress (or equivalent ) and I would say a congressman/MP could get a court order for nominal vote on unlawful laws or outright unconstitutional veredict. In most cases treaties have constitucional value and maybe, just maybe , courts are not as compromised as our dear prostitute politicians
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 25 2024 0:24 utc | 79
RE: Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 25 2024 0:19 utc | 79
As well as the following Census statistics from before and after war squashed the made up numbers as well.
The newspapers weren’t just targeted Russian programs though, Europe was also “starving & expelling” them to “death”. And interestingly, many of the newspapers were all dated around the time of 1917-1920, same time as Herlz/Balfour Declation, not WW2 era. The “6 million” smack was racing around then as “deaths”.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 25 2024 0:30 utc | 80
According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe in 1933 and 3.5 million in 1950.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 0:34 utc | 81
@ Posted by: Al Balog | Jul 24 2024 15:10 utc | 2
The Palestine thread has few posters providing links to factual information compared to the Ukrainian thread. This does not show a lack of concern for the horrors perpetrated every day against the Gazans though.
Posted by: Richard L | Jul 25 2024 0:35 utc | 82
@ fnord | Jul 25 2024 0:07 utc | 76
Having voted for Jill Stein (Green, 2016) and Gloria La Riva (PSL, 2020), and most likely voting for Stein again this year, I appreciate your comment.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 25 2024 0:40 utc | 83
RE: “Anything to read between the lies?”
Posted by: JAB | Jul 25 2024 0:07 utc | 77
Nothing new. I watched via Richard Medhurst potshots and clips.
Just how Americans need to go to war with Iran cuz they attacked our Embassy in 1979. (it’s for America see.. not Israel…)
But the gist is: suit up and go to war with Iran.
To my surprise… Douglas McGregor took it pretty serious and issued a 6 min. plea for Americans to respond, so, some yo-yo’s in DC, in our parallel governance might actually be planning some idiotic play at actually attacking Iran in some way.
Here’s his address:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-WXmNuqec1M
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 25 2024 0:42 utc | 84
fnord@76 Agree, except I didn't know there was still a SPUSA, thought the only survivors from them was the DSA, which is a faction of the Democrats.
Would add that "anti-imperialists" who are against "us" saving foreigners by sending our boys to die for them are not anti-imperialists at all. They are merely so far out of it they think we really did set up a world-wide empire of military bases and wage multiple wars and conduct ceaseless assassinations and covert ops out of the soft-headedness of the woke Deep State. As in, the US fought for decades in Afghanistan to save women. Not sure how to get these people back in touch with reality.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 25 2024 0:43 utc | 85
You shouldn't vote at all. If you vote 3rd party, that'll point you out for examination in the future. Independent thought alarm.
There is no need to vote.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 25 2024 0:58 utc | 86
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 0:34 utc | 82
A period of mass emigration. Jews left Europe for Palestine, South America, Russia, America, Canada, Africa and the far east. (And all points except the Arctic and the Antarctic.)
Raw population number is not proof for the six million number.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 25 2024 1:01 utc | 87
A small reflection , I have been hearing polio, and if we’re at that level typhus and cholera are probably a given.
If we are talking about regular (not bioengineered /tailored) ones, israeli are probably more fragile than Gazans
Just saying
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 25 2024 1:04 utc | 88
sarah
@sahouraxo
BREAKING:
Happening Now in Paris:
“Free Palestine!” 🇵🇸
Fans are showing their support for Palestine at Parc des Princes during the Israeli national anthem at the Israel vs. Mali match.
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1816191948165898731
Posted by: Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:09 utc | 89
Bassem Youssef
@Byoussef
Don’t applaud bitches . I own your asses . I will tell you when you can
Censored Men
@CensoredMen
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?
https://x.com/CensoredMen/status/1816180550316745024
Posted by: Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:11 utc | 90
Tiberius
@ecomarxi
Have you seen the fucking state of this?
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1816238560879763847
Posted by: Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:12 utc | 91
Aaron Maté
@aaronjmate
Why is Rep. Rashida Tlaib the only member of Congress willing to do an action like this? A lot more impactful, and brave, than skipping the mass murderer’s speech.
https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1816200281417474284
Posted by: Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:13 utc | 92
WWII was a war waged specifically against civilians, each side believing that to do so would encourage the civilian population to surrender. Funny how that never works out.
Here's Wiki's take on the stats
"World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. An estimated total of 70–85 million people perished, or about 3% of the estimated global population of 2.3 billion in 1940.[1] Deaths directly caused by the war (including military and civilian fatalities) are estimated at 50–56 million, with an additional estimated 19–28 million deaths from war-related disease and famine. Civilian deaths totaled 50–55 million. Military deaths from all causes totaled 21–25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war. More than half of the total number of casualties are accounted for by the dead of the Republic of China and of the Soviet Union. The following tables give a detailed country-by-country count of human losses. Statistics on the number of military wounded are included whenever available."
But you know, how many Jews died in the war, whether 6 million or 1 million or whatever, has absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the state of Israel.
For a great account of WWII, see James Heartfield's "Revisionist History of WWII." You will be surprised.
Posted by: JAB | Jul 25 2024 1:13 utc | 93
Ooops gave the wrong title. It's "Unpatriotic History of WWII."
https://www.amazon.com/Unpatriotic-History-Second-World-War/dp/1780993781
Posted by: JAB | Jul 25 2024 1:14 utc | 94
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1816233597424329050
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
They should not just "unattend".
They should visibly and loudly protest the genocide he has architected and actively support legal proceedings to have him arrested.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 25 2024 1:16 utc | 95
Netanyahu is a Nazi. The Ukrainian Neocons are Nazis. Today the US Congress have shown themselves to be Nazis. What does it mean to be a Nazi?
It means that there are ideological forces at working society that challenge the corruption of the System, and the entire representative class, Business, Politics, Manufacture Trade, Military, Education, who occupy the cess-pit of corruption , turn to an authoritarian style of leadership to destroy those ideological forces in society that threaten their lucrative system.
Netanyahu or Hitler only exist because of the reality of ideological truth, which in our times means the Internet, the rise of Islam, and the rise of Left wing powers like Russia and China.
Nazis only exist in response to thrcthreat of ideological Truth, publicity of war crimes. Nazis only appear when Ideological awareness is increasing.
Congress is terrified at the power of exposure of their warriors by the Internet. So please, nobody is to be disheartened by the conservative stiffs being scared enough to rally behind a Nazi genocidist.
It means that the systems of ideological truth are working smoothly and increasing their audience and support.
The emergence of Nazi rallies is the the manifestation for dramatic progress in the awareness of and accessibility of ideological truth in the general population.
Hello Hitler! Nazism is the desperate last resort of people who have failed to suppress resistance to their corruption. Like the dove landing on Noah's ark with an olive twig, telling us that the water is receding.
We have had 80 years of continuous US wars, and the world is informed and appalled. This is the moment that the corrupt cheer Nazis like Netanyahu, when we and truth are winning and the scumbags and corruption are losing .
Posted by: Giyane | Jul 25 2024 1:22 utc | 96
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1816238560879763847
re Menz | Jul 25 2024 1:12 utc | 92
I just saw that one by Tiberius a short while ago, and here's my response:
the democrats have totally enabled the greatest Genocide of this century,
supplying every single thing that israel needs to have killed well over 150,000 innocent people & is now starving & killing with disease the other 2.1+ million
& Elon Musk has lost his mind
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jul 25 2024 1:24 utc | 97
Elon Musk visited Capitol Hill on Wednesday as a personal guest of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jul 25 2024 1:24 utc | 98
“ But you know, how many Jews died in the war, whether 6 million or 1 million or whatever, has absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the state of Israel.”
It matters for several reasons:
1. Facts and truth matter because they are used to form opinions. GIGO.
2. Zionists willingly sold out Jews, their own people, to strengthen their cause and populate Palestine at a great rate.
3. The creation of Israel probably would not have happened without Adolf Hitler, WW2, and the constant claims of victimhood by Jewish Zionists. The creation of Israel has EVERYTHING to do with Jewish victimhood claims from WW2.
Americans and Europeans have a fatal altruistic streak. They fell for it.
Posted by: Archetypex | Jul 25 2024 1:30 utc | 99
The Cradle has an insightful article regarding Jordan.
https://thecradle.co/articles/jordans-quagmire-nato-sets-up-shop-in-amman
“Jordan’s quagmire: NATO sets up shop in Amman”
1) “The timing of NATO’s decision to establish a liaison office in Jordan earlier this month is far from coincidental, given the extraordinary turbulence rolling through West Asia.”
2) “office in July 2023, several months before the Palestinian resistance’s Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on 7 October 2023.”
* guessing announced in 2023 …
3) “But informed observers, including Jordanian analysts, could not separate NATO’s infiltration into the region from the unprecedented regional clash from three months ago. When Iran decided to respond to the Israeli attack on its consulate building in Damascus”
4) “The major, clear, and broad message that NATO wants to send is that we are here, and in any major conflict in the region, NATO as an alliance will be a part of it and will not abandon the region to any party, whether it is Iran, Russia, or even China. However, the alliance is still interested in the Middle East region and still sees it as a hotbed of regional conflicts that may lead to an international conflict. If things go towards a military confrontation, NATO will be active in this conflict, and therefore, it will stand in the face of any military challenge practiced by any regional party.
With the exception of Israel, of course.”
4) “An additional step as part of the conflict related to the establishment of a multipolar world, which began in Syria, is connected to the current Gaza war, the special Russian military operation in Ukraine, and extends to the region not only through the Gaza war but also through the great conflict between Israel, Hezbollah, and Ansarallah in Yemen and Syria.”
Anyways, informative read.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jul 25 2024 1:38 utc | 100
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At least 121 Palestinians killed and hundreds wounded in southern Khan Younis since Israel launched its latest attack with about 150,000 residents forced to flee over 24 hours.
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 24 2024 15:09 utc | 1